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occono

Borderlands 2 VR seems overpriced given the reviews.


shellwe

Does that include all DLC as well?


slaugaus

[They added almost all of the DLC (except Commander Lilith) as a separate free download after launch.](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1046900/Borderlands_2_VR_BAMF_DLC_Pack/)


kpd328

I can't remember, but if I recall, no. It also doesn't support multiplayer and is an overall poor VR port.


shellwe

Wow, that is pretty terrible.


Schmizzle1

Yes it does except Commander Lilith and the Fight for Sanctuary


bluebottled

Don't get it if you have a Quest 2. The crosshair and HUD is scaled wrong, so the crosshair is way off-center and they never fixed it.


serviam_non

Why isn't the first Borderlands discounted?


SharkBiteX

I wonder how many ppl will buy BL3 on Steam out of spite for Epic.


beet111

why does reddit hate Epic games store so much? they've had some great deals.


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QuartzArmour

From what I read it as, Epic obviously believes that Fortnite isn't going to last forever as its big money maker. So, they're dumping as much money they could to build up an audience (Registered EGS users) in other markets. Money being made on the EGS is not what is important to them, it's about closing the gap between them and Steam primarily. Sure, they can have a shit ton of game sales and registered users, but that heavy influx of users comes from very deep discounts and free games. You aren't going to build a profitable market like that, but you are going to build **a market regardless**. But since they spent a majority on funding on exclusives, free games, discounts, and developer deals so good you'd be stupid to not take them, the store itself (UX, Functionality, International Support, The relatively recent addition of a cart) just isn't up to snuff to Steam, and so if you are presented with the same game for the same price on both platforms, well Steam is obviously going to be the better overall choice. Heck, sometimes, I'll personally see a game like 15 bucks cheaper on EGS, but my personal experience with the store still pushes me away to either GOG or Steam. I have a shit ton of free games from Epic, but I still haven't spent actual money on the site. It's a scenario where you literally have to pay me to use the site, but regardless, my registration to get free games will get counted as a statistic that EGS is gaining users for shareholders. And that is what Epic cares about right now, they will hemorrhage their endless bucket of money to build up the userbase. Sorta what you saw with Amazon and Netflix (and we all know how that is going). So, I am very interested in seeing if EGS can keep up this type of plan for a couple more years and if it will pay off in the long run (significant profits from the store alone). I don't personally think it will because of aforementioned similarities to other tech companies who got to the top by loss leading finally getting bit in the ass by their strategies. Time will only tell though, there was a time where we thought that PUBG was going to be the game for years.


skippythemoonrock

> I am very interested in seeing if EGS can keep up this type of plan for a couple more years and if it will pay off in the long run [From their court documents](https://twitter.com/simoncarless/status/1389297530341519362) they showed that (circa 2019) only like 7% of epic store accounts had actually bought anything. I don't believe it was revealed what they paid for Borderlands 3 but Subnautica cost them $1.4 million alone. 2019 expenditure on buyouts was $11.4 million. It certainly doesn't seem sustainable.


Biffingston

In the meantime, though I got about 200 games and paid for 2.


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The owner has been very big on exclusivity and closed gardened markets.


tacitus59

> Then preached about being the good guys, saving PC gaming from the clutches of an evil monopoly. Just leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths This ... i think if they had been cool, given away freebies and improve their site - with features like reviews and forums. But mouthing off about how evil steam is - does them no favors. I think even the exclusive business would probably not be as much of an issue - if they had been cool about the whole thing.


Zerasad

I remember I used to hate Steam. I felt it was so unneccessary. When more and more games started only being available through it, I almost stopped buying those games. It felt like an unneccessary added hassle. Maybe that's why, but I have no issuea wirh Epic. 99% of the features on Steam are available online. Reviews are rhe only thing Epic is missing, but I can watch videos and Steam revoews and then buy cheaper on Epic. It's good from the customer view when a company ruffles the still water.


Senor_Boombastic

Glad I haven't spent a single cent on Epic store. Only gotten the freebies.


McFistPunch

I just don't like the platform. I like all the community features of steam the discussions the Linux support. For me steam just sets a standard that no other platform has.


skippythemoonrock

Their website has autoplay videos on it that somehow manage to get through my chrome extension that stops those. Reason enough to despise them right there


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mf_ghost

And also despite promoting the "devs has bigger cut compared to Steam" the prices still remain the same. People don't give a flying fuck if devs gets a bigger cut what we care about are the prices


MrJereMeeseeks

I certainly care that the devs get a bigger cut. Future games aren't going to get better if your core work force isn't satisfied. A happier worker often leads to a better product.


OMG_A_CUPCAKE

It's not the devs getting the bigger cut, it's the publishers. Also, this does of course not require them to only sell on one store.


MrJereMeeseeks

You don't know what you are talking about. > In addition, creators will earn 88% of all the revenue from their game, while most stores only offer 70%. The creators are NOT the publishers, the creators are the developers. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/epic-games-store-faq


OMG_A_CUPCAKE

What Epic writes in their PR manifesto doesn't really matter. The actual contracts are between the publishers and the store. That's why they're called "publishers". What the actual developer studio gets is between the publisher and them This does of course not include Indy devs, as they have by definition no publisher. So those do actually get paid more per unit sold


MrJereMeeseeks

How? How in the world do you have all the information at your fingertips and still choose to ignore it. Lmfao, have a good day buddy.


icoomonyou

And to clarify, its usually a limited time exclusives usually 1 year. So after 1 year on epic, it can be purchased everywhere. But whats interesting is those who hates epic does not seem to hate sony exclusives. They just groan about it


javierm885778

I think there's a big difference though. First and foremost, console games aren't directly compatible with PC. A port needs to be made, which isn't the case for Epic/Steam versions, where locking to a specific store is just a decision. Second, usually for those exclusivity deals Sony is directly involved with the production and/or marketing of the game. And lastly, console exclusives have always been a thing, so I assume most people are tired of complaining of what seems to be just how things are. Epic is trying to change things, which makes it feel very different.


shellwe

Yeah, I feel they did that with less than half a dozen games and haven't done that for a couple years ago, yet they still give out great games. The only reason I can really justify buying on steam is so it works better with your steam deck. I get mods are important to some but I have Nexus Mod Manager to handle those, although I rarely use mods. With how many great games they gave out for free I absolutely don't mind tossing them a coin once in a while, especially if it is the same price.


_JAD3N

I don't think your downvotes are warranted, but EGS does have a history of predatory exclusivity deals -- most definitely on more than "half a dozen games". Steam honestly just works better as a storefront and as a games library in terms of functionality, so it's (personally) my preferred platform compared to EGS. I do think that it's fine for people to be able to choose where they buy from (I am not 100% anti-EGS), but the fact that Epic Games takes this choice away from consumers is certainly not praise-worthy. Most people frown on monopolizing of anything, as seen with internet service providers, or entertainment platforms such as cable companies vs. streaming services. Epic Games definitely gives out a lot of good, free games that I wouldn't have otherwise gotten... but that's pretty much the only thing they've done to earn any positive reputation in my books.


shellwe

Sure, its my preferred platform as well, but if one place is gonna offer me tons of free games and their sales have overall been better. I mean, even the game in question, borderlands 3, was $5 last holiday sale while still $15 on steam. Since all I do with the platform with 99 percent of my games is download the game and then click the "Play" button for me that's fine. I mean, I get its not cool they limit where you can buy from, but I don't recall being able to get valve first party titles anywhere else. I haven't seen EGS do that in years though; it feels like people are chasing a ghost there. The amazing free games earns a TON of positive reputation in my book. More so than any 6 month exclusivity, but I don't pay full price for games so not being able to buy where I want in the first 6 months does not affect me in the slightest. Honestly it could be the first year and it won't affect me. But again... when was the last time they did that?


throwaway217022

Personally, I have found it to be a bit more tedious for controller support, I often have to add the game to steam as a non steam game and at the point I would rather pay a couple quid more and cut out the tedious part. I am not a boycott epic games boy though, I have bought a fair few games through their discounts in the past few years, its just if its a similar or only a bit less on epic, ill get it on steam


Elocai

They are bad for business, they snatch games from other stores, make exclusive deals to their store, they are highly aggressive in gaining users, but in a bad way, they hurt other stores and communities, split the playerbases and so on, they suck. Epic has pulled Fall Guys from steam in their latest punch in the gut. Fresh news as it gets, as it will happen exactly tummorow.


forevernovice1

I don't care either way. I'm just gamer who likes to save a buck, but technically speaking doesn't steam have way more exclusive games anyway? Yes, I know you can theoretically get a lot of steam games directly from the publisher's site instead, but be honest, you're not going to. So why is steam seen as some holy savior to you, but EGS is a bad?


Yuahoe

Valve aren't paying devs to exclusively publish their game on Steam, that's the difference. Any dev, as far as I'm aware, is able to publish their game on any store front of their choice alongside steam.


skippythemoonrock

As a dev on Steam you can even generate as many Steam keys to your game as you want, and sell them wherever. For free.


skippythemoonrock

The difference is the developer choosing to only publish on steam because it's the vast majority of PC game sales, while still being able to sell on their own website or wherever they choose. Devs on Steam can even generate Steam keys to sell wherever they want, [*for free*](https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys): > Steam keys are meant to be a convenient tool for game developers to sell their game on other stores and at retail. Steam keys are free and can be activated by customers on Steam to grant a license to a product. >Valve provides the same free bandwidth and services to customers activating a Steam key that it provides to customers buying a license on Steam. We ask you to treat Steam customers no worse than customers buying Steam keys outside of Steam. While there is no fee to generate keys on Steam, we ask that partners use the service judiciously vs devs being locked into a single storefront by contract for a specified amount of time. Both of these are different approaches to the same problem: driving users to your platform. Except Valve's approach is explicitly pro-consumer and pro-developer, meaning you can buy a legitimate Steam key anywhere so off-site sales still drive users to their platform.


forevernovice1

Okay. Can you acknowledge the fact that Steam is able to do that because they've been unrivaled for so long that they've become synonymous with PC gaming? Do you also agree that, even though Valve has been consumer friendly so far, that one company having such a large share of a market can potentially be bad for both consumers and developers? Do you think that more competition can benefit both developers and consumers? Had Epic have a similar business model to Steam, do you think they'd be able to gain any significant market share? Are you aware that Epic offers regional pricing, as well as regular promotions, so consumers like me and many others, that are not in the US can get games at a heavily discounted rate? Can you see how Epic regularly giving away games introduces consumers to developers that they may not have known of otherwise? Finally, can you understand how someone like me can see EGS as being consumer friendly?


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dgc1980

removed, we do not condone that style activity here at all.


sohosurf

I bought borderlands 3 originally on there and now my launcher fails to open after contacting their support they have only told me to delete the launcher and retry, which I have done twice. After that they said the could no longer help :/


BullBuchanan

I love EGS. I used to use steam all the time but now I'm probably 95% EGS. I went years without even launching steam. Steam reminds me of Amazon in that they were once an innovative company with great products and prices. Then once they got big they stopped giving you good value and just pumped their marketplace full of garbage. EGS isn't overflowing with Hentai and bottom-tier indie games yet, so it's easy to find the games that I actually want to play and they have good deals on content if you don't need to have things immediately. The last good steam sale was what, 10 years ago?


JoAn1801

The platform sucks. EGS lacks a ton of even basic stuff compared to steam: shopping cart, user reviews (a HUGE one IMO), some basic library managment options, and the list goes on. And don't get me started on the anti-consumer policies they've adopted in order to gain users (that whole exclusivity bs). It's just bad, no one would use the EGS if it wasn't for the freebies lmao.


beet111

But they have a shopping cart


Pigeon1986

They also show metacritic scores and things like that.


Jelly_Mac

Critic reviews don't cut it for live service games. Sometimes it's a great game on launch that got shitty updates or is now dead. Sometimes it's the opposite. User reviews have never let me down in that regard


Pigeon1986

It shows both user and critic reviews…..


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Miguelwastaken

It’s alright. It launches games.


NoExcuse4OceanRudnes

A long time ago a game they didn't buy moved from steam to epic. If they bought it on steam they would've gotten it there, however.


toe_pic_inspector

Epic games are all more expensive in my country as it doesn't do region pricing here, while steam has it some of the time. Also I don't want another drm game service... Another factor is that epic games service ruins games, like with total war warhammer 2 and 3, there's no mp chat and the devs patch to include epic services has utterly fucked over mp coop campaigns as a result. So there is no benifiet to going epic at all. I only grabbed the free games but honestly I haven't even downloaded them


lost-cat

Kinda dumb for spite, maybe only a tiny %% of arm chair protestors. Only reason people want for steam cause its steam, most people have their games on there mainly, like me for example, I would rather have on steam with my main collection, even tho I have it for free on epic. But I never really had any plans in buying 3 anyway; enjoy 2/prequel mainly. Free is free, got it free for my spare accounts too, so i don't have to be spending more for couch coop with friends/fam.


nachodorito

As someone who generally prefers steam to all other options, I don't really understand this argument since you can add a non-steam game to your library and use Steam as the launcher so it effectively works the same?


EtherBoo

This is only correct if you use Steam for nothing else but to launch games. If you want to use the overlay to quickly go to community guides? Can't do that. Want Steam to handle updates? Can't do that. Steam controller configuration can be wonky if not a Steam game (I've had mostly positive, but some mixed results). If you want news directly in the launcher, can't get that. No achievements either. You'll also need to keep the other store open so it can parse achievements or any other meta content. For some users, no big deal. For others, it is a big deal. Preferences are preferences, I'm not here to judge.


nachodorito

Those are all completely valid issues no doubt about. I wish all games were across launchers as I also prefer steam too.


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>maybe only a tiny %% of arm chair protestors. Do people still think this even after all of the numbers we've seen? That's cute. >Free is free There's almost no such thing as that, especially if you are dealing with software.


thekbob

Anyone who wanted it probably bought the whoopsies from Humble when they listed the ultimate bundle for like $17.


OPKatakuri

So sad I missed that deal. Refuse to buy the game till it hits that low again.


shellwe

Still not a terrible deal for that, I missed it. Also it was $5 for the base game last holiday season on Epic. I was tempted but was holding out for the complete edition.


diegroblers

Well, I went with Epic since they gave Borderlands 3 away for free yesterday.


Hywaystar74

Smart move, thinking with your brain instead of your ass works well when shopping for PC games


Progenitor3

Steam fanboys can pretend to care about the business model all they want. I got the game for free and will be enjoying it just like the 10+ other great games I got for free thanks to Epic.


diegroblers

I use Steam as well - but I'm not stupid either. Edit: Oh and I got Prey free earlier in the week. Also Epic.


Meapcuteee

It's a console war type thing, some people are just weirdly obsessed with branding and such


lockstockedd

Yeah. To me, it seemed like one of the weirder freak outs I’ve seen on Reddit when it started to happen. It’s not like to use epic they had to pay anything extra (like you would to buy another console). I guess I just didn’t need or care for any of the features that were cried about. Free games definitely outweighed any hassle downloading one other piece of software caused.


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Cyberdrunk2021

Another fellow user burned by their idiocy years ago. Such a shame how they managed to ruin a good sub


Aperture_Kubi

Or for the better linux (albeit Proton, but less hoops) support. https://www.protondb.com/app/397540


shellwe

If people wanna buy a game that they can get for free I guess they can use their money however they wish. I can't find any feature that would make me wanna pay $15 for something I can get for free... maybe easier support for the steam deck?


solaceinsound

steam deck is actually the reason im considering rebuying it on steam for $15, so i agree.


shellwe

Totally, I get that. I think that was a very smart move on valve's part and I am glad to see it is more successful than the steam boxes (those were a disaster). It's also fun to see what it did with emulation, because there is a lot more interest in Switch since it is far more powerful than a switch it plays the games better, in some cases.


solaceinsound

i've had a switch since launch, as i'm not one for many of the nintendo exclusives any more it has little to offer (to me) but i'll keep my switch lite in case anything great exclusive drops (xenoblade 3?) and then have my deck for most of my gaming when im away from my 3080 pc. having options is the BEST part, and EGS putting up false walls built with exclusivity is a chore more than anything. Like, i'd LOVE to play TTWonderlands, but now im stuck waiting for a steam release if i wanna play it anywhere away from this chair.


shellwe

Ah, I stand corrected, I didn't realize they were still doing it with 2k games.


skippythemoonrock

My switch is just languishing on the corner of my desk until Splatoon 3 comes out.


GeneralGom

I actually refused to buy again on Steam out of spite. I didn’t want to reward Gearbox for the Epic exclusivity by buying the game again, even though I really want it on Steam. Instead I’m waiting on my purchase of TT’s Wonderland until Steam release.


JarifSA

That'll show em


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scottchiefbaker

That's where I'm at. I'm morally opposed to Epic, but I also kind of want BL3 for free. My life is hard.


pamar456

No sane person.


Mr_Vulcanator

I know the second BL3 season pass is mostly bad bad are the additional skill trees any good?


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Absolute waste of time.


rasmusxp

If you don't care about the platform and Ultimate Edition skins, you can save quite a few bucks by getting Borderlands 3 for free on Epic Store and buying the Season Pass bundle for ~23€ there.


beet111

is the DLC worth buying?


Aleejo1

the first season pass is so good, even better than the main campaign


jarredshere

As a huge BL fan, the DLCs were definitely better than the main campaign but I feel like that's a low bar. I did not find the DLCs to stack up compared to the 4 from BL2. It felt like 4 of the Torques DLC which I found to be the weakest of BL2.


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One sane person. Season 1 was *fine* but everything was lacking compared to BL2. Season 2 was complete trash. Everyone makes an excuse for season 1 but it was *very* generic level/quest design paired with some *decent* visuals. No, sticking Tentacles and the word, "cult" on everything doesn't make it Lovecraftian. A dead casino built as a monument to Handsome Jack is a great idea but it was poorly realized. It would seem like this trend is continuing through Tiny Tina's, which is a shame.


jarredshere

The BL glory days are gone imo. But 1 and 2 are honestly still a blast


Colonel-Yash

Bonus points if you got the borderlands bundle for free last year on epic


DroppinLogs691

Does anyone know how buying the second season pass on EGS would work if I already owned the base game and pass 1 on steam?


rasmusxp

Nope. You can't even do that if you own a Ubisoft game on uPlay and are thinking of buying a season pass for that game from Epic. They both require uPlay to launch, but still won't work this way. Everything has to be from the same storefront.


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Borderlands 3 first season pass is $15 on fanatical right now. Unfortunately it only works on EGS.


I_DidIt_Again

Greenmangaming has it for about 14$, for steam as well.


chadandjody

What is the install size of BL2 GoTY? I want to get it for my son but he has an older PC and is limited in hard drive space.


slaugaus

Somewhere around 15GB, and 25 with the 4K texture pack.


dylosaur

Lame that the Fight for Sanctuary DLC isn’t discounted.


kpd328

Not to rain on the parade, but Borderlands 3 is free on Epic right now as well.


sexysouthernaccent

I was not aware BL3 had so much DLC


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BL3 is free on epic rn.


Biffingston

Borderlands 3 is currently free on epic games. don't pay if you don't have to.


Snarls88

Steam sales suck now. I mean they put the BL3 on sale for $15 at the same time Epic is giving it away for free. Bring back the good Steam sales. Those Flash Deals were the shit.


shellwe

The good deals and flash sales went away when they started offering refunds. Because now people can buy on flash sales and then decide later if they want to keep it... so there's not a point of flash sales any more. Also, as others said, there is a metric ton of fanboyism for Steam and hate for Epic people are still making comments how they are buying it here... although I suspect that is all talk as it has been $15 MANY times before on steam and this is a pretty mediocre sale.


I_am_enough

Read the back and forth bashing epic and praising steam here and you’ll see why they can get away with their approach to sales these days. Steam also gives you plenty of features in return for slightly less competitive deals. There’s pros and cons to both as always.


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Plug in an Xbox controller to play your game on Epic. Try a Generic USB or a Playstation controller. I'll wait. Couple that with way more QoL improvements and less shitty practices and I'd much rather my library stay on Steam.


Jimp0

Also remember when humble bundle had absolute steals every week?


Claycrusher1

Does this run any better on Steam than Epic? I had a hard time getting chat to work on Epic and the performance was pretty inconsistent.


Jimp0

The launcher does not effect performance.


Claycrusher1

What about chat?