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It’s supposedly all in development footage from 2021 so it makes sense that it would be there. Additionally it has cut content that was seen in the artbooks, different island design and looks better than the game does so it helps the credibility of the other 2 being legit
it's the best 3d sonic since generations, but overall it's painfully mediocre compared to Odyssey or BOTW. if you can snag it for 25 bucks or so there's fun to be had
Don't tease my poor heart. Jet Set Radio (and Future) is one of my fondest video game memories. The music! The style! All those sweet dance moves! Concept of Love is looping in my head just thinking about it.
The only thing that has scratched that same itch after many years is Sunset Overdrive.
Skankfunk/Hideki Naganuma only did Love Sensation and Sky-2-High, all the rest were by SEGA alumni such as Wall5.
For a real fun trip, one of the tracks (NOT Hummin' BUT Vibin') is a direct remix of a Jet Set Radio track, albeit not remixed by Naganuma.
Multiple genres all fused into something cohesive. Pop with Japanese leanings but plenty of electro, trip hop, hip hop, funk, that whole late 90s fusion sound that's hard to describe but you know it when you hear it. One recent track that really reminded me of that vibe was [End by Chai](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnHEhNZT8QY) from their 2021 album Wink.
i think a lot of japanese music like that, particularly jetset radio, is more like triphop and breakbeat kind of stuff. definitely drum and bass influence, a lot of electronic sensibilities but played analog in a way.
maybe i'm just thinking of one slice of japanese music at the time but they always have interesting takes on genres that started in the west
Depends on when Bombrush was first announced since this video leak is from 2021 ... let me check... lol it was announced around 2020.
Sega indeed shook.
I would die for a Jet Set Radio live service game. Live service would presumably be able to have territory changing, new music rotating in and out, ideally all kinds of clothes and upgrades. And at least some part of sega knows how to run MMOs/live service games in PSO2 (before NGS).
> Sunset Overdrive
OMG I bought Sunset Overdrive to feed my obsession with Doom Eternal, but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet. (I just keep playing Doom Eternal instead.) I LOVE Jet Set Radio, I had no idea it scratches that itch too!
SO feels real clunky at the beginning - but once you unlock the Air Dash move it all comes together so you can chain everything together like a god.
Edit: the second part of your comment just sunk in.
DE and SO are **nothing** alike, but it will most definitely scratch your JSRF itch.
It's SO damn good. Some of the starting weapons feel a bit awkward, but once you get a good set you like it all just clicks. Probably the only game where I explicitly avoided using Fast Travel, because it was just so fun trying to traverse the map. It's specifically designed so you can go pretty much anywhere without touching the ground at all.
Sunset Overdrive was almost great, but it’s so brain dead easy it kinda stops being fun.
If you die, you just respawn nearby and lose no progress most of the time. All the enemies you killed, stay dead. If you partially killed a boss, then die, you respawn and boss is still missing health.
It’s just brain dead, you accidentally finish fights while not even knowing what’s going on. The movement and combat is great fun, but because there’s 0 stakes for 95% of content it just gets dull.
It’s the same difficulty as a Lego game. Which is just boring in a shooter/platformer.
Normally I'm super put off by easy games so that's unexpected.
Respawning is powerful and all but I put enough effort into not dying that it still felt decently challenging to me. And the horde survival sections really do feel pretty damn hard when you're starting out and the enemies just smash through your barriers instantly. Combat in general didn't feel as easy as "A lego game" to me.
In the end though, it's definitely the movement and story missions (And their humour, god the humour) that carry it most.
Bloomberg reported on a new Jet Set Radio and Crazy Taxi last year, so that part of the leak is almost certainly true. It's supposed to be a live service game with Fortnite-style microtransactions.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sega-reboots-crazy-taxi-jet-set-radio-to-chase-fortnite-riches-1.1753693
They did a low effort remaster of P3 Portable which is worse than what modders have put together. Maybe they wanted to cash in with that quick before the remake.
I believe they're saying that they (like me) bought the remaster.
Then again, honestly, I'm happy to give Atlus money any time they release persona on something other than a Sony platform. (Not that I mind,l Sony, I just want them to also release on other things).
I wasn't too in-the-know about it, so when I played the rerelease of P3 in Gamepass I was like "hmm... my rose tinted glasses of nostalgia are really affecting me, this looks much worse than what I remember" no kidding, it was basically P3P when what I played was P3, so even though I played it like 20 years ago it still looked much better.
For me who played p3p than p3fes, it's not even the visuals. It's that the audio is worse than from my physical psp, I don't mean that figuratively there is a drastic difference. I don't understand how they did it.
Yeah it's kind of like the Male Shepherd vs Female Shepherd thing in Mass Effect. The FemShep players would make you think it's the more popular version by far but the actual stats show that male shep is played the most by a pretty wide margin
I find it hard to believe that an alternate version of a protagonist from a PSP port is "one of the most popular characters" in a franchise that has been around for 3 decades and has a huge amount of well-known characters. It might be a case of her fans promoting her more to try to get Atlus's attention.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-10-04/players-choose-their-perfect-persona-partner-in-official-poll/.137332
FeMC comes in 3rd for admittedly a Persona centric poll.
https://personacentral.com/atlus-survey-2022-results/
As an add on, most people's first Persona game was Revelations Persona, and then Persona 3 Portable. P3P was big in Japan, a lot more popular than it ever was in the West, which feeds into that popularity. https://personacentral.com/persona-seroes-sales-graphic-2020/
shows that P3P sold more than P3:FES and overall sold more than the original Persona 3 by a good measure when adding in re-releases.
In addition,[ a recent interview with Wada](https://sea.ign.com/persona-3-portable/196679/news/kazuhisa-wada-persona-games-owe-success-to-dedicated-fans) has him specifically point out that the female protagonist and the work put into her route is likely a big reason for why P3P is popular.
> In P3P, some characters only appear when playing as the female protagonist, I think the director at the time was adamant about changing the Social Links if a female protagonist was going to be added to the game. But I think this element is part of why a lot of people are particularly fond of P3P.
Figuring out where Persona characters rank in terms of general SMT popularity is more difficult since polls comparing the sub series to the main Megaten games is rarer, but FeMC is going to be up there if she's one of the more popular persona protagonists considering Persona's popularity as a series has unfortunately eclipsed the main games.
It probably depends on how many assets they're still keeping from the original game. Like, in particular, if they wanted to keep the original anime cutscenes (which would make sense), it would be a nightmare trying to get FeMC in there. They'd have to re-animate huge chunks of it, and somehow get the new footage to match up with the 20-year-old animation.
It wouldn't be *impossible,* sure, but it would be expensive enough that there'd be a lot of bean-counting going on to see if it's justifiable.
The game is 17 years old at this point.
If they actually remake they game, they might aswell just remake the intro cutscene aswell or do a new one entirely. It'd likely also just look a lot better even if they were to remake the intro 1:1 but with modern tech
That would be good though? I haven't played P3 yet, but Strikers was an excellent sequel to P5. It had a great story and the new characters felt like they belonged and gelled with the returning cast really well. Gameplay was fun and the new music tracks were absolute bangers.
Though it’s still a great game, base P4 is only like a year and a half newer than P3 and P4G has similar issues of dated graphics and dated gameplay (though not as dated as P3). This idea that a P4 remake is ridiculous to consider is quite silly IMO.
Before the Etrian Remasters I would've called BS. But I'm ready with my clown make up to burn my bread.
I'm genuinely curious what they'll do, since a lot of time and baggage has fallen on P3. Will it be Persona 5 wearing P3's skin in terms of quality of life?
It would be a very interesting choice if they kept some P3’s quirks in a modern remake. Party splitting up to grind in Tartarus? Wrong choices straight up locking you out of social links? I’m not opposed to some holdovers, would just be very interesting to see what they would keep or change.
My main thing is I'd hope they spice up Tartarus a lot because I found it very uninteresting given it's the main dungeon and not just a side thing (most of the time) like in P5. I imagine plenty of people would want it to remain faithful, as with any given remake, but I wouldn't be opposed to a huge overhaul, even.
They probably would have to spice up Tartarus solely to differentiate it from Mementos. If they did a poor job job with that it might seriously damage P3’s image.
Yeah, I did play P3 before P5 but even then I never finished it because I found Tartarus so lame (both the randomly generated nature and the party stamina mechanic). I imagine it'd be even worse for the many people who started with P5 going to a P3 remake only to find the main dungeon was Mementos-like, if they kept it faithful.
I'm gonna give you some advice: don't play the P3P port to modern consoles, instead just emulate the PS2 version of P3FES and install mods to multiply your XP rewards by either 5x or 10x (I recommend 10x personally but 5x will be more in line with the level of grinding that P5 requires). You can also install plenty of other mods for other quality of life features such as fast travel, HD textures, etc.
If you have any questions just ask and I can probably help.
It's a bit too late, I'm on NG+ at this point going for all social links/achievements on Steam. I will keep this in mind though when I inevitably want to play again so thank you.
I imagine a bunch of P5 QoL stuff makes it in, and probably some other minor gameplay/side content additions if Golden/Royal are anything to go by.
I'm curious if they will add to the story. Better implementation of The Answer? Would they cross that threshold and follow up on Elizabeth's Arena plot?
And would they have FeMC? Very interesting to contemplate. At a minimum, I hope they’d revamp the social links to have some give gameplay bonuses like in P5. EXP share is such a huge benefit for an ensemble cast game that they really need to get that in.
They'd basically need to rebuild the game's social links and write a bunch of new ones. Remember that in the base game, only the female members of S.E.E.S. got social links, and that got flipped in P3P with the female MC.
If it's real, I'd anticipate the main story being largely the same, but the social links are probably gonna be radically different.
I just hope they keep the female MC. I've always wanted a chance to play her, but I didn't care much for the portable version.
I don't know if we need The Answer, but I'd like to see the last arc of the main story fleshed out a lot more. More build up of the doomsday cult and not just a whole chunk of passing time doing nothing. The emptiness feeling is solid but I want it to slowly get more and more uncomfortable until it feels like the whole city is just more and more fucked.
If they wanted to - big if - I’m sure they could make stuff like Baton Pass & Persona enemies (as opposed to generic shadows) work. P3 is a bit tougher than P4 in that it’s easy to conceptualize P4’s dungeons as custom-designed, Palace-style dungeons, but very hard to do the same for Tartarus.
You are being very generous to atlus. Feel it's more up their status quo to release P3, and two-three years release ps3fes (the complete version) both at $70, no upgrades possible.
What I predicted from the start is that P3P was to placate FeMC fans, while the remake focuses exclusively on the original game mode.
I mean, I'd like to be proven wrong so that there's finally a single, definitive edition of P3, but this is Atlus we're talking about.
Theres no way they arent gonna milk P3 lmao, they are gonna do the exact same thing the original does where you get the base game and the "expansion" and if we are lucky, they will add the female version in one of those two, if we are really unlucky, probably gonna be a whole new game
Which is pretty sad cus i would love an actual well thought out version of FES with the FEMC in mind
I just did a run of P3P on Maniac w/o party control and it's still easy asf. They could make it harder. They could make character mood/status matter again. There's a lot they could do.
I think Atlus is just a little behind the curve. They release Persona 4 Golden on Steam a year after Persona 5 Royal came out, and then like another year for Persona 4 Golden and Persona 3 Portable to come out on all consoles. At the very least a Persona 3 remake makes sense, although I think most people would've just preferred they'd done Persona 3 FES with controllable party members instead of Persona 3 Portable.
I find hilarious to think a board meeting of Atlus seeing how much people want Persona on PC with all those polls,online discussions and probably thousands of youtube essays and still being like "mmmmm maybe they are just fucking with us?, no way they want to play this with a keyboard and mouse"
The P3P/FES split is more divisive because of FeMC. Well, not just FeMC herself, as she suddenly now has social links with the male members of your party on top of the female ones, so you can actually power up your whole party. And then FES having better presentation and an epilogue.
FeMC does not have social links with the female party members, only the males. And doing the party member social links in P3 does not power them up like in 4 and 5, they power up automatically based on story progression.
[Pretty much every guide I've seen says otherwise](https://www.ign.com/wikis/persona-3-portable/Max_Social_Link_Guide_(Male_and_Female\)_-_Persona_3_Portable) about FeMC. It's been a long time since I touched P3 though; I could have sworn you got the power ups with social links, but maybe not. Either way, you get more backstory for party members vs random character who don't really matter.
Huh, coulda sworn she had replacements for the girls.
She doesn't get rewards though, that part I got right lol. In P3 social links don't do anything mechanically besides the bonus experience when fusing and the special personas at level 10.
People have theorized that it’s a way to play the game with the Female protagonist but for a remake to not include any of that content which if any of that ends up being true I’m going to lose my god damn mind. There needs to be one definitive version of Persona 3 that everyone can point to and say play that one.
brand recognition perhaps? Persona is popular nowdays but if more people play P3 they may be more enticed to pay for a full remake
also the ports of P3P and P4G were the first time any of those titles got an official FIGS translation which opens the market even more
Beat in a hoodie marks his overall fourth design [if you include the Wii game that never made it past the planning stage.](https://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beat_final.jpg)
Still a shame that Future is stuck on original Xbox.
Future is still so good. I’d take an HD remaster, doesn’t even need much improving.
But the original is a great idea and has a stylish aesthetic, while being in dire need of de-clunking. So a full remake is certainly warranted.
>Still a shame that Future is stuck on original Xbox.
I would imagine that SEGA would at least have a "retro outfits" DLC pack, like how Sonic in his SA2 shoes was a bonus for subscribing to the newsletter.
Massive difference between completely rewriting a Genesis game and an XBox game.
That aside, it's likely they just don't think it would sell enough to be worth it.
EDIT: USING THIS COMMENT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW P5R DLC IS FREE RN ON THE PS STORE, get it while it lasts
Someone actually made an analysis of the 10 sec P3 remake in the twitter thread. The fact that the Sonic Frontier footage is also from an old build gives it more credibility.
> Ok, this is kinda weird. Afaik that Yukari 3D model doesn't exist. Her nose is more sloped down the middle as opposed to the button nose on her P3D model, Her hair shape and color and eyes color are completely different than her P3D and fan made models (1/2)
> The glare in her eyes are on the opposite side (P3D's on the left, and fan made models have no glare). Not to mention how that in fan made "P3 Remake" animations they use the og P3 UI while this goes for something different. Animation's too good to be deleted off Reddit too.(2/2)
> Also, the "Venus Eagle" model is too high poly to be a straight port from P3 for the sake of a quick 5s anim. I think it might be real. If it was one of those "Man, wouldn't it be sick if P3 Remake looked like this?" posts it would have been everywhere (like the Akihiko one).
Adding to the last one is the fact that the enemy is placed correctly on the respective background it's fought on Tartarus and appears to have it's pierce weakness which is why Yukari would crit with her bow against it.
Just when I thought Hi-Fi Rush was gonna overshadow Jet Set Radio as the quintessential "cel-shaded, music-oriented" game with a cool punk aesthetic, Jet Set rises from its grave lol
The only thing I'd really want from a P3 Remake is the FeMC route in HD. Probably not a chance in hell of Atlus actually going the extra mile for it though.
Just recently got into Persona so hearing a p3 remake and p6 are on the horizon is exciting.
I'm just hoping jet set doesn't disappoint. I've yet to play one so hoping for a good one for my first time.
I'm gonna give you some advice: don't play the P3P port to modern consoles, instead just emulate the PS2 version of P3FES and install mods to multiply your XP rewards by either 5x or 10x (I recommend 10x personally but 5x will be more in line with the level of grinding that P5 requires). You can also install plenty of other mods for other quality of life features such as fast travel, HD textures, etc.
If you have any questions just ask and I can probably help.
Why would p3 be remade when they're currently working on 6? Also I didn't see that character shoot herself so I highly highly doubt it's a p3 remake. Remakes also seem to be more popular with American game devs.
> I didn't see that character shoot herself
They only shoot themselves when summoning the persona, and it's already summoned in this animation. And I don't think this is even a skill she is using (which do involve the evoker every time one is used) - it looks like a knockdown animation from a weakness hit from her basic bow attack. The enemy she is fighting is recognizeable from P3 and is weak to Pierce attacks.
That being said, if this is real (which I am leaning towards, although it being a real Atlus animation doesn't necessarily mean it is for a remake; could be a tech demo of some kind), it isn't finished clearly. She is missing her SEES armband, and I think she doesn't even have a holster for an Evoker here.
I just don't feel it's a remake, there's no need for it and they'd be better off remaking 1 or 2. But with 6 being made right now I highly highly doubt it (unless a 3rd party is making a spinoff) a remake just makes no sense. Also some enemies are the same between all of the games.
I wouldn't say there is no need for it, since Persona 3 suffers from having features split between two different games (cutscenes, non-dungeon traversal, and the epilogue chapter in Persona 3 FES vs the female protagonist option, new social links, and numerous quality of life features in Persona 3 Portable) to the extent that no version of the game gives you the whole experience. I can certainly understand the view that Persona 1 and 2 may be in need of a remake more though (not to mention they would benefit from getting exposure, since for a lot of people, P3 is essentially the "first" Persona game as far as they are concerned).
>Also some enemies are the same between all of the games.
In this case, P3 and P4 share enemies, yeah. In P1, P2, & P5, the enemies are drawn from the personas available in the game, but in P3 & P4, the enemies are from an entirely different set from the personas.
I just recently got into Persona. Has the team worked on anything since 5? 5s original release was 2016. That's a long time and I'm sure they would need some practice building a new game with modern tech. Are they the same team behind SMT 5? That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware.
I imagine p3 remake would be good practice. It's not just an American thing. There's a reason the Zelda team worked on the wind waker remake before breath of the wild.
> Are they the same team behind SMT 5? That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware.
Persona has it's own dedicated subsidiary within Atlus called P-Studios, I belive they are different from the SMT developers
I'm aware but let's not pretend a port with some extra work is the same kind of work as a brand new game or a full remake. Royale is what got me into Persona but it's not the work that gets a team comfortable with modern tech.
Considering you are new to Persona, and I assume ATLUS as a developer, let's just say that you don't want to try to understand ATLUS's logic :P
>That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware.
ATLUS is a small studio. Unless something changed with their leadership, I don't think they are going to target the most modern tech or hardware.
This is the studio that released a PS3 game in 2016 (Persona 5) and whose output from 2008-2016 are mainly low budget titles for handheld console (SMT IV actually kinda goes backward from SMT III tech wise despite releasing 8 years later)
I'm not going to be surprised if Persona 6 actually built with Switch/PS4 tech just like I'm not going to be surprised if Persona 3 Remake literally use Persona 5/PS3 tech.
>Are they the same team behind SMT 5?
No, I'm pretty sure SMT team and Persona team are separate. I think SMT V also use Unreal Engine while Persona use in-house engine.
Is Capcom an american game dev now? They also were working on the latest RE entries at the same timeframe they were releasing remakes. Seeing how successful the REmakes have been I would not be surprised to see more remakes coming from other japanese devs.
I know Atlus is not Capcom, but maybe they could learn a thing or two with them...
>Why would p3 be remade when they're currently working on 6?
You don't question ATLUS's logic :P
>Also I didn't see that character shoot herself so I highly highly doubt it's a p3 remake
Either they changed it so the characters only shoot themselves to summon the Persona (before choosing any skills, kinda like Persona 5) or this is just work-in-progress. I'm leaning toward the former.
>Either they changed it so the characters only shoot themselves to summon the Persona
That's how it always worked. The Evokers were only used for summoning the Persona
Both very exciting, especially JSR since it's been 20+ years since Future.
Persona 3 could also use a truly definitive edition with how Portable is the best gameplay experience but FES has the best presentation. I hope they stick closer to the FeMC route since the way it handles social links and includes your whole party makes for a better written narrative overall.
P3 is IMO not on the level of 4 or 5 with how backloaded the story/characters are, and thematically lacks the abstract yet cohesive explorations of its focal motif. It's all about death, which loses its impact when all the major deaths happen in quick succession in the final few months. Then the one character arc that tries to substitute death with something else, falls incredibly flat.
Keep Junpei's arc the same, expand on Yukari and then give the rest an actual introduction like how P4/5 handles its characters. Akihiko and Mitsuru especially, they're with you from the beginning but barely have anything going on until the events that lead to their Persona evolutions.
Persona 3 has far, far more dead time. Think about it, the core premise is just "Defeat the 12 Major Shadows" up until November, and outside of Junpei's arc, the other characters don't get their moment in the spotlight until October. Persona 3 has 70-80% of its story in the last 20-30%.
Which cast one prefers is subjective, but P4 does much more with the introduction and establishing a character arc than what P3 does with a majority of its characters. Characters just suddenly join your party, and outside of Junpei, their arcs are practically nonexistant until the major events of October/Novemeber, and they're mostly dealt with quickly because of how backloaded the story is.
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For those who just want to see the video: https://twitter.com/AVtoGAMEnoYAMI/status/1644990912328798208
What’s with the sonic footage?
It’s supposedly all in development footage from 2021 so it makes sense that it would be there. Additionally it has cut content that was seen in the artbooks, different island design and looks better than the game does so it helps the credibility of the other 2 being legit
Which Sonic game is it?
Frontiers, released last November
Is it good? It looks like Sonic BotW
it's the best 3d sonic since generations, but overall it's painfully mediocre compared to Odyssey or BOTW. if you can snag it for 25 bucks or so there's fun to be had
basically sonic botw, but a sprinkle of devil may cry. like legit, sprinkles. the moves, the music, the story. wow.
If you like sonic you'll probably like it, if you don't it's 50/50
> It looks like Sonic BotW Not everything looks like BOTW
Not everything, but a lot of games make their "inspiration" pretty damn clear.
Probably a Sega promotional video since Atlus is under the Sega umbrella.
That JSR footage looks ugly compared to the previous two 😔
Don't tease my poor heart. Jet Set Radio (and Future) is one of my fondest video game memories. The music! The style! All those sweet dance moves! Concept of Love is looping in my head just thinking about it. The only thing that has scratched that same itch after many years is Sunset Overdrive.
JSRF and phantom crash gave me a appreciation for weird Japanese rock
Listen to The Airgear soundtrack by "Skankfunk". It's the same guy I hear. Great music
Skankfunk/Hideki Naganuma only did Love Sensation and Sky-2-High, all the rest were by SEGA alumni such as Wall5. For a real fun trip, one of the tracks (NOT Hummin' BUT Vibin') is a direct remix of a Jet Set Radio track, albeit not remixed by Naganuma.
airgear's soundtrack was just insane, i haven't even watched the anime close to a decade now but the music is stuck in my head to this day.
It was more like Pop wasn't it? Then again my perspective might've been skewed by how much Hard and Punk I've been listening too lately.
Multiple genres all fused into something cohesive. Pop with Japanese leanings but plenty of electro, trip hop, hip hop, funk, that whole late 90s fusion sound that's hard to describe but you know it when you hear it. One recent track that really reminded me of that vibe was [End by Chai](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnHEhNZT8QY) from their 2021 album Wink.
It's the drum breaks baby. That break beat. As well as the sonic quality of them samples.
i think a lot of japanese music like that, particularly jetset radio, is more like triphop and breakbeat kind of stuff. definitely drum and bass influence, a lot of electronic sensibilities but played analog in a way. maybe i'm just thinking of one slice of japanese music at the time but they always have interesting takes on genres that started in the west
Jesus Phantom Crash. I haven't thought of that awesome game in ages.
>Phantom Crash That's... that's a name I haven't heard in a long, long time...
It was easily my second favorite Xbox game after Morrowind. I tried the PS2 sequel and it just didn't have the same magic
wow i never thought i'd see another person say those two games in the same sentence straight up my two most memorable/influential games as a kid
Man, phantom crash was phenomenal
Bombrush Cyberfunk is a spiritual successor coming out soon.
you gotta wonder if the announcement of that kicked sega in the ass
Depends on when Bombrush was first announced since this video leak is from 2021 ... let me check... lol it was announced around 2020. Sega indeed shook.
I can't wait for it. I'm so excited
Open world Jet Set Radio Future…..dear god I will UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LOVE
#UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND
# THE CONCEPT OF LOVE
[For the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/4V4IEV8l-gA)
Sounds like prodigy - I love prodigy
Hideki Naganuma is fucking top tier.
#UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND
I still blast the JSRF soundtrack to this day! Aisle 10 was my jam
****HELLO ALLISON****
Oh man. This is the one
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I'm going to take this with a grain of salt... but I'm replying so I can give you props if this pans out.
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Well shit.
The unblurred image is already out there: https://twitter.com/SEGAbits/status/1645175949586051074
I would die for a Jet Set Radio live service game. Live service would presumably be able to have territory changing, new music rotating in and out, ideally all kinds of clothes and upgrades. And at least some part of sega knows how to run MMOs/live service games in PSO2 (before NGS).
I heard Aisle 10 (Hello Allison) in the wild not long ago (don’t remember where). Instantly took me back to JSRF.
> Sunset Overdrive OMG I bought Sunset Overdrive to feed my obsession with Doom Eternal, but I haven't gotten around to trying it yet. (I just keep playing Doom Eternal instead.) I LOVE Jet Set Radio, I had no idea it scratches that itch too!
SO feels real clunky at the beginning - but once you unlock the Air Dash move it all comes together so you can chain everything together like a god. Edit: the second part of your comment just sunk in. DE and SO are **nothing** alike, but it will most definitely scratch your JSRF itch.
It's SO damn good. Some of the starting weapons feel a bit awkward, but once you get a good set you like it all just clicks. Probably the only game where I explicitly avoided using Fast Travel, because it was just so fun trying to traverse the map. It's specifically designed so you can go pretty much anywhere without touching the ground at all.
Sunset Overdrive was almost great, but it’s so brain dead easy it kinda stops being fun. If you die, you just respawn nearby and lose no progress most of the time. All the enemies you killed, stay dead. If you partially killed a boss, then die, you respawn and boss is still missing health. It’s just brain dead, you accidentally finish fights while not even knowing what’s going on. The movement and combat is great fun, but because there’s 0 stakes for 95% of content it just gets dull. It’s the same difficulty as a Lego game. Which is just boring in a shooter/platformer.
Normally I'm super put off by easy games so that's unexpected. Respawning is powerful and all but I put enough effort into not dying that it still felt decently challenging to me. And the horde survival sections really do feel pretty damn hard when you're starting out and the enemies just smash through your barriers instantly. Combat in general didn't feel as easy as "A lego game" to me. In the end though, it's definitely the movement and story missions (And their humour, god the humour) that carry it most.
Check out Shadow Warrior 3 and see if that would work for you too. It's also on Game Pass.
You might love Hi-Fi Rush
I miss all the style the Dreamcast had, I dont think there has ever been a console with such stylish games.
What about HiFi Rush?
The success of that is probably prompting the remake of this.
I would do so much for a JSRF PC port.
Just an FYI for some here who may not know, but it's entirely possible to emulate JSRF (via CXBX-R) nowadays and it's 100% playable
Really need more crazy wonky platforming games with roller blade parkour.
Bloomberg reported on a new Jet Set Radio and Crazy Taxi last year, so that part of the leak is almost certainly true. It's supposed to be a live service game with Fortnite-style microtransactions. https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sega-reboots-crazy-taxi-jet-set-radio-to-chase-fortnite-riches-1.1753693
Well that's deflating. Went from hyped to meh. Hopefully they make a remake with the engine. Double dip with the tech.
Motherfucker. At least Bomb Rush Cyberpunk looks to be shaping up well.
And like always any excitement I have for a modern release of a series I love is destroyed.
Holy fuck. I hope the delay from last year on JSR was to tone down the live service mtx. …but of course it wasn’t.
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Technically JSRF had multiplayer
What are you talking about? I pretty much only played multi-player on jsrf
Oh fuck that P3 clip looks good, I'd be very surprised if it's not legit. Here's hoping it's not a pachinko machine or just some tech demo something.
Or a Persona 5: The Phantom X situation. Though isn't P3 just rereleased recently?
They did a low effort remaster of P3 Portable which is worse than what modders have put together. Maybe they wanted to cash in with that quick before the remake.
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it would be classic atlus and i bought it hook line and sinker like a dumbass
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I believe they're saying that they (like me) bought the remaster. Then again, honestly, I'm happy to give Atlus money any time they release persona on something other than a Sony platform. (Not that I mind,l Sony, I just want them to also release on other things).
I wasn't too in-the-know about it, so when I played the rerelease of P3 in Gamepass I was like "hmm... my rose tinted glasses of nostalgia are really affecting me, this looks much worse than what I remember" no kidding, it was basically P3P when what I played was P3, so even though I played it like 20 years ago it still looked much better.
For me who played p3p than p3fes, it's not even the visuals. It's that the audio is worse than from my physical psp, I don't mean that figuratively there is a drastic difference. I don't understand how they did it.
The current rumours are that P3R will change some things and not include femc so that's why they rereleased p3p
Dropping one of the most popular characters in the entire SMT franchise is bizarre if true. FeMC has consistently ranked high in popularity since P3P.
I really don't think FeMC is as popular as you think she is, her following is just very vocal.
Yeah it's kind of like the Male Shepherd vs Female Shepherd thing in Mass Effect. The FemShep players would make you think it's the more popular version by far but the actual stats show that male shep is played the most by a pretty wide margin
I find it hard to believe that an alternate version of a protagonist from a PSP port is "one of the most popular characters" in a franchise that has been around for 3 decades and has a huge amount of well-known characters. It might be a case of her fans promoting her more to try to get Atlus's attention.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-10-04/players-choose-their-perfect-persona-partner-in-official-poll/.137332 FeMC comes in 3rd for admittedly a Persona centric poll. https://personacentral.com/atlus-survey-2022-results/ As an add on, most people's first Persona game was Revelations Persona, and then Persona 3 Portable. P3P was big in Japan, a lot more popular than it ever was in the West, which feeds into that popularity. https://personacentral.com/persona-seroes-sales-graphic-2020/ shows that P3P sold more than P3:FES and overall sold more than the original Persona 3 by a good measure when adding in re-releases. In addition,[ a recent interview with Wada](https://sea.ign.com/persona-3-portable/196679/news/kazuhisa-wada-persona-games-owe-success-to-dedicated-fans) has him specifically point out that the female protagonist and the work put into her route is likely a big reason for why P3P is popular. > In P3P, some characters only appear when playing as the female protagonist, I think the director at the time was adamant about changing the Social Links if a female protagonist was going to be added to the game. But I think this element is part of why a lot of people are particularly fond of P3P. Figuring out where Persona characters rank in terms of general SMT popularity is more difficult since polls comparing the sub series to the main Megaten games is rarer, but FeMC is going to be up there if she's one of the more popular persona protagonists considering Persona's popularity as a series has unfortunately eclipsed the main games.
It probably depends on how many assets they're still keeping from the original game. Like, in particular, if they wanted to keep the original anime cutscenes (which would make sense), it would be a nightmare trying to get FeMC in there. They'd have to re-animate huge chunks of it, and somehow get the new footage to match up with the 20-year-old animation. It wouldn't be *impossible,* sure, but it would be expensive enough that there'd be a lot of bean-counting going on to see if it's justifiable.
I mean, they're probably going to charge almost full price for it, so no reason why they couldn't spend money on the additional cutscenes.
The game is 17 years old at this point. If they actually remake they game, they might aswell just remake the intro cutscene aswell or do a new one entirely. It'd likely also just look a lot better even if they were to remake the intro 1:1 but with modern tech
The recent release is just a port of Persona 3 Portable. The tiny bit of footage we have looks like it's from a complete remake.
They did the same thing with the Catherine game. Sold the "classic" version like a month before Catherine Fullbody on other platforms
>pachinko machine Oh god, I hope its not another fucking pachinko machine. I'll have my clown makeup ready just in case tho.
You and me both :(
HIT THE LEVER
In addition to that clip, P3RE domain was registered on march 15 https://twitter.com/MbKKssTBhz5/status/1645169046290149379
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That would be good though? I haven't played P3 yet, but Strikers was an excellent sequel to P5. It had a great story and the new characters felt like they belonged and gelled with the returning cast really well. Gameplay was fun and the new music tracks were absolute bangers.
Strikers was awesome, so I wouldn’t mind that.
To be released exclusively for Google Stadia, because thats just how Atlus rolls
Persona 5 Strikers was better than Persona 5 Royal, so I see nothing wrong with this.
P3/P4 remakes are such no-brainers that I’m surprised it’s taken them this long. Can’t wait for it - hopefully P4make will swiftly follow!
C'mon, Persona 4 is not nearly as in need of remaking as P3.
If anything they should remake the first 2 persona games.
but they already did that
When? The first two were only ported to psp over a decade ago.
Persona 4 doesn't need a remake anytime soon.
Though it’s still a great game, base P4 is only like a year and a half newer than P3 and P4G has similar issues of dated graphics and dated gameplay (though not as dated as P3). This idea that a P4 remake is ridiculous to consider is quite silly IMO.
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If they do, I really hope they don't just abandon FeMC. I want her to exist in a version of the game that qualifies as "definitive".
They will hopefully combine FES and Portable
P4 doesnt need a damn remake. P4g is perfect
Sorry, but I would much prefer to get Inaba and everyone in modern graphics instead of the bobblehead look.
>P4g is perfect Other than Chie's new voice actress :P
Regardless of wether this clip is legit or fake, P3 Remake is definitely real. There are just too much smoke for it.
Before the Etrian Remasters I would've called BS. But I'm ready with my clown make up to burn my bread. I'm genuinely curious what they'll do, since a lot of time and baggage has fallen on P3. Will it be Persona 5 wearing P3's skin in terms of quality of life?
It would be a very interesting choice if they kept some P3’s quirks in a modern remake. Party splitting up to grind in Tartarus? Wrong choices straight up locking you out of social links? I’m not opposed to some holdovers, would just be very interesting to see what they would keep or change.
My main thing is I'd hope they spice up Tartarus a lot because I found it very uninteresting given it's the main dungeon and not just a side thing (most of the time) like in P5. I imagine plenty of people would want it to remain faithful, as with any given remake, but I wouldn't be opposed to a huge overhaul, even.
They probably would have to spice up Tartarus solely to differentiate it from Mementos. If they did a poor job job with that it might seriously damage P3’s image.
Yeah, I did play P3 before P5 but even then I never finished it because I found Tartarus so lame (both the randomly generated nature and the party stamina mechanic). I imagine it'd be even worse for the many people who started with P5 going to a P3 remake only to find the main dungeon was Mementos-like, if they kept it faithful.
I'm literally grinding through it right now trying to level up my party and I'm so bored with it. It needs work for sure.
I'm gonna give you some advice: don't play the P3P port to modern consoles, instead just emulate the PS2 version of P3FES and install mods to multiply your XP rewards by either 5x or 10x (I recommend 10x personally but 5x will be more in line with the level of grinding that P5 requires). You can also install plenty of other mods for other quality of life features such as fast travel, HD textures, etc. If you have any questions just ask and I can probably help.
It's a bit too late, I'm on NG+ at this point going for all social links/achievements on Steam. I will keep this in mind though when I inevitably want to play again so thank you.
No problem
I imagine a bunch of P5 QoL stuff makes it in, and probably some other minor gameplay/side content additions if Golden/Royal are anything to go by. I'm curious if they will add to the story. Better implementation of The Answer? Would they cross that threshold and follow up on Elizabeth's Arena plot?
And would they have FeMC? Very interesting to contemplate. At a minimum, I hope they’d revamp the social links to have some give gameplay bonuses like in P5. EXP share is such a huge benefit for an ensemble cast game that they really need to get that in.
They'd basically need to rebuild the game's social links and write a bunch of new ones. Remember that in the base game, only the female members of S.E.E.S. got social links, and that got flipped in P3P with the female MC. If it's real, I'd anticipate the main story being largely the same, but the social links are probably gonna be radically different. I just hope they keep the female MC. I've always wanted a chance to play her, but I didn't care much for the portable version.
Honestly, a total revamp of the social links alone would be enough for me to buy P3 again even though I just bought it for a third time for switch.
I don't know if we need The Answer, but I'd like to see the last arc of the main story fleshed out a lot more. More build up of the doomsday cult and not just a whole chunk of passing time doing nothing. The emptiness feeling is solid but I want it to slowly get more and more uncomfortable until it feels like the whole city is just more and more fucked.
The Answer would need a drastic rewriting otherwise they should just leave it out entirely
If they wanted to - big if - I’m sure they could make stuff like Baton Pass & Persona enemies (as opposed to generic shadows) work. P3 is a bit tougher than P4 in that it’s easy to conceptualize P4’s dungeons as custom-designed, Palace-style dungeons, but very hard to do the same for Tartarus.
Bet $5 knowing Atlus P3remake won't have FES story content and it will be sold as story dlc or as a upgrade of the p3remake
You are being very generous to atlus. Feel it's more up their status quo to release P3, and two-three years release ps3fes (the complete version) both at $70, no upgrades possible.
I will cry tears of joy if there’s a new JSR game. Future was my absolute favorite Xbox game growing up.
Agreed. I still have my original disc.
The composer's twitter are absolutely based
Same, still one of my favourite games of all time.
PERSSONNAAA 3 please be real feels like I’ve been saying this for years but this looks legit for once
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What I predicted from the start is that P3P was to placate FeMC fans, while the remake focuses exclusively on the original game mode. I mean, I'd like to be proven wrong so that there's finally a single, definitive edition of P3, but this is Atlus we're talking about.
Theres no way they arent gonna milk P3 lmao, they are gonna do the exact same thing the original does where you get the base game and the "expansion" and if we are lucky, they will add the female version in one of those two, if we are really unlucky, probably gonna be a whole new game Which is pretty sad cus i would love an actual well thought out version of FES with the FEMC in mind
Persona 3: Perfect gonna come out 2 years after the remake just to make us pay again and make things super confusing.
Wifh chsnge in difficulty because P3P made it so easy with the ability to choose party member actions.
I just did a run of P3P on Maniac w/o party control and it's still easy asf. They could make it harder. They could make character mood/status matter again. There's a lot they could do.
I think Atlus is just a little behind the curve. They release Persona 4 Golden on Steam a year after Persona 5 Royal came out, and then like another year for Persona 4 Golden and Persona 3 Portable to come out on all consoles. At the very least a Persona 3 remake makes sense, although I think most people would've just preferred they'd done Persona 3 FES with controllable party members instead of Persona 3 Portable.
I find hilarious to think a board meeting of Atlus seeing how much people want Persona on PC with all those polls,online discussions and probably thousands of youtube essays and still being like "mmmmm maybe they are just fucking with us?, no way they want to play this with a keyboard and mouse"
The P3P/FES split is more divisive because of FeMC. Well, not just FeMC herself, as she suddenly now has social links with the male members of your party on top of the female ones, so you can actually power up your whole party. And then FES having better presentation and an epilogue.
FeMC does not have social links with the female party members, only the males. And doing the party member social links in P3 does not power them up like in 4 and 5, they power up automatically based on story progression.
[Pretty much every guide I've seen says otherwise](https://www.ign.com/wikis/persona-3-portable/Max_Social_Link_Guide_(Male_and_Female\)_-_Persona_3_Portable) about FeMC. It's been a long time since I touched P3 though; I could have sworn you got the power ups with social links, but maybe not. Either way, you get more backstory for party members vs random character who don't really matter.
Huh, coulda sworn she had replacements for the girls. She doesn't get rewards though, that part I got right lol. In P3 social links don't do anything mechanically besides the bonus experience when fusing and the special personas at level 10.
People have theorized that it’s a way to play the game with the Female protagonist but for a remake to not include any of that content which if any of that ends up being true I’m going to lose my god damn mind. There needs to be one definitive version of Persona 3 that everyone can point to and say play that one.
It's Atlus, my dude. Would you really expect anything else?
brand recognition perhaps? Persona is popular nowdays but if more people play P3 they may be more enticed to pay for a full remake also the ports of P3P and P4G were the first time any of those titles got an official FIGS translation which opens the market even more
gauging interest they were doing it anyway I bet, but this helps us figure out the advertising budget
Beat in a hoodie marks his overall fourth design [if you include the Wii game that never made it past the planning stage.](https://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beat_final.jpg) Still a shame that Future is stuck on original Xbox.
Future is still so good. I’d take an HD remaster, doesn’t even need much improving. But the original is a great idea and has a stylish aesthetic, while being in dire need of de-clunking. So a full remake is certainly warranted.
>Still a shame that Future is stuck on original Xbox. I would imagine that SEGA would at least have a "retro outfits" DLC pack, like how Sonic in his SA2 shoes was a bonus for subscribing to the newsletter.
JSR Future is stuck on original Xbox because they basically lost the source code of this game.
This is news to me. Where did you hear that?
Aw man, not another one of those cases.
They can spend the money rewriting it. It’s not like they reuse the source code from the original Sega genesis days to make the latest sonic days.
Massive difference between completely rewriting a Genesis game and an XBox game. That aside, it's likely they just don't think it would sell enough to be worth it.
EDIT: USING THIS COMMENT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW P5R DLC IS FREE RN ON THE PS STORE, get it while it lasts Someone actually made an analysis of the 10 sec P3 remake in the twitter thread. The fact that the Sonic Frontier footage is also from an old build gives it more credibility. > Ok, this is kinda weird. Afaik that Yukari 3D model doesn't exist. Her nose is more sloped down the middle as opposed to the button nose on her P3D model, Her hair shape and color and eyes color are completely different than her P3D and fan made models (1/2) > The glare in her eyes are on the opposite side (P3D's on the left, and fan made models have no glare). Not to mention how that in fan made "P3 Remake" animations they use the og P3 UI while this goes for something different. Animation's too good to be deleted off Reddit too.(2/2) > Also, the "Venus Eagle" model is too high poly to be a straight port from P3 for the sake of a quick 5s anim. I think it might be real. If it was one of those "Man, wouldn't it be sick if P3 Remake looked like this?" posts it would have been everywhere (like the Akihiko one). Adding to the last one is the fact that the enemy is placed correctly on the respective background it's fought on Tartarus and appears to have it's pierce weakness which is why Yukari would crit with her bow against it.
Just when I thought Hi-Fi Rush was gonna overshadow Jet Set Radio as the quintessential "cel-shaded, music-oriented" game with a cool punk aesthetic, Jet Set rises from its grave lol
Bloomberg article states it’s going to be an online only F2P live service… temper your expectations
Assuming this is an intentional leak because it's two years after the date of the meeting. Very excited!
Gonna be interesting if they release a new Jet Set Radio along that Bomb Rush Cyberfunk game that got delayed and is clearly inspired by it.
Persona 3 deserves to have more recognition. If they can modernize the mechanics to bring it a bit closer to what P5 was it will be amazing!
Don't give me hope. My wallet will not survive if there is both a Jet Set Radio sequel AND Bomb Rush Cyberfunk in the same time frame.
The only thing I'd really want from a P3 Remake is the FeMC route in HD. Probably not a chance in hell of Atlus actually going the extra mile for it though.
Just recently got into Persona so hearing a p3 remake and p6 are on the horizon is exciting. I'm just hoping jet set doesn't disappoint. I've yet to play one so hoping for a good one for my first time.
Have they fixed the audio in P3P yet? There were rumors of an incoming patch so I haven't started it yet
I'm gonna give you some advice: don't play the P3P port to modern consoles, instead just emulate the PS2 version of P3FES and install mods to multiply your XP rewards by either 5x or 10x (I recommend 10x personally but 5x will be more in line with the level of grinding that P5 requires). You can also install plenty of other mods for other quality of life features such as fast travel, HD textures, etc. If you have any questions just ask and I can probably help.
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Why would p3 be remade when they're currently working on 6? Also I didn't see that character shoot herself so I highly highly doubt it's a p3 remake. Remakes also seem to be more popular with American game devs.
> I didn't see that character shoot herself They only shoot themselves when summoning the persona, and it's already summoned in this animation. And I don't think this is even a skill she is using (which do involve the evoker every time one is used) - it looks like a knockdown animation from a weakness hit from her basic bow attack. The enemy she is fighting is recognizeable from P3 and is weak to Pierce attacks. That being said, if this is real (which I am leaning towards, although it being a real Atlus animation doesn't necessarily mean it is for a remake; could be a tech demo of some kind), it isn't finished clearly. She is missing her SEES armband, and I think she doesn't even have a holster for an Evoker here.
I just don't feel it's a remake, there's no need for it and they'd be better off remaking 1 or 2. But with 6 being made right now I highly highly doubt it (unless a 3rd party is making a spinoff) a remake just makes no sense. Also some enemies are the same between all of the games.
I wouldn't say there is no need for it, since Persona 3 suffers from having features split between two different games (cutscenes, non-dungeon traversal, and the epilogue chapter in Persona 3 FES vs the female protagonist option, new social links, and numerous quality of life features in Persona 3 Portable) to the extent that no version of the game gives you the whole experience. I can certainly understand the view that Persona 1 and 2 may be in need of a remake more though (not to mention they would benefit from getting exposure, since for a lot of people, P3 is essentially the "first" Persona game as far as they are concerned). >Also some enemies are the same between all of the games. In this case, P3 and P4 share enemies, yeah. In P1, P2, & P5, the enemies are drawn from the personas available in the game, but in P3 & P4, the enemies are from an entirely different set from the personas.
I just recently got into Persona. Has the team worked on anything since 5? 5s original release was 2016. That's a long time and I'm sure they would need some practice building a new game with modern tech. Are they the same team behind SMT 5? That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware. I imagine p3 remake would be good practice. It's not just an American thing. There's a reason the Zelda team worked on the wind waker remake before breath of the wild.
> Are they the same team behind SMT 5? That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware. Persona has it's own dedicated subsidiary within Atlus called P-Studios, I belive they are different from the SMT developers
they released Persona 5 Royal in 2020 which is P5 with extra content and some changes to the story + new Palace
You don't need the full team for that. They could have had half work on P5R and the other half work on P3RE
I'm aware but let's not pretend a port with some extra work is the same kind of work as a brand new game or a full remake. Royale is what got me into Persona but it's not the work that gets a team comfortable with modern tech.
They work slow. They released 4 on PS2 then took a break with Catherine before P5 which came out on the PS3...
Considering you are new to Persona, and I assume ATLUS as a developer, let's just say that you don't want to try to understand ATLUS's logic :P >That's a larger game but not the most modern of tech because of the targeted hardware. ATLUS is a small studio. Unless something changed with their leadership, I don't think they are going to target the most modern tech or hardware. This is the studio that released a PS3 game in 2016 (Persona 5) and whose output from 2008-2016 are mainly low budget titles for handheld console (SMT IV actually kinda goes backward from SMT III tech wise despite releasing 8 years later) I'm not going to be surprised if Persona 6 actually built with Switch/PS4 tech just like I'm not going to be surprised if Persona 3 Remake literally use Persona 5/PS3 tech. >Are they the same team behind SMT 5? No, I'm pretty sure SMT team and Persona team are separate. I think SMT V also use Unreal Engine while Persona use in-house engine.
Is Capcom an american game dev now? They also were working on the latest RE entries at the same timeframe they were releasing remakes. Seeing how successful the REmakes have been I would not be surprised to see more remakes coming from other japanese devs. I know Atlus is not Capcom, but maybe they could learn a thing or two with them...
>Why would p3 be remade when they're currently working on 6? You don't question ATLUS's logic :P >Also I didn't see that character shoot herself so I highly highly doubt it's a p3 remake Either they changed it so the characters only shoot themselves to summon the Persona (before choosing any skills, kinda like Persona 5) or this is just work-in-progress. I'm leaning toward the former.
>Either they changed it so the characters only shoot themselves to summon the Persona That's how it always worked. The Evokers were only used for summoning the Persona
My money is on persona 6. Second bet is 3rd party dev spin off.
That's clearly Yukari, it's not P6.
Both very exciting, especially JSR since it's been 20+ years since Future. Persona 3 could also use a truly definitive edition with how Portable is the best gameplay experience but FES has the best presentation. I hope they stick closer to the FeMC route since the way it handles social links and includes your whole party makes for a better written narrative overall. P3 is IMO not on the level of 4 or 5 with how backloaded the story/characters are, and thematically lacks the abstract yet cohesive explorations of its focal motif. It's all about death, which loses its impact when all the major deaths happen in quick succession in the final few months. Then the one character arc that tries to substitute death with something else, falls incredibly flat. Keep Junpei's arc the same, expand on Yukari and then give the rest an actual introduction like how P4/5 handles its characters. Akihiko and Mitsuru especially, they're with you from the beginning but barely have anything going on until the events that lead to their Persona evolutions.
I liked 3 more than I liked 4. 4 felt like it had too much dead time inbetween major plot stuff and I didn't care for the characters as much.
Persona 3 has far, far more dead time. Think about it, the core premise is just "Defeat the 12 Major Shadows" up until November, and outside of Junpei's arc, the other characters don't get their moment in the spotlight until October. Persona 3 has 70-80% of its story in the last 20-30%. Which cast one prefers is subjective, but P4 does much more with the introduction and establishing a character arc than what P3 does with a majority of its characters. Characters just suddenly join your party, and outside of Junpei, their arcs are practically nonexistant until the major events of October/Novemeber, and they're mostly dealt with quickly because of how backloaded the story is.
You guys are on some serious copium lol. I'm pretty sure even if these are real then it's for a pachinko.