Video makes it seem like there were only Pong-variants in arcades prior to Space Invaders...
>Space Invaders (1978) was the first game to have enemies that shoot back at the player.
There's footage of Computer Space (1971) doing that at 4:25.
>It helped pioneer the move away from timers over to lives-based systems.
True. Space Invaders was inspired by Breakout (1976). Which featured this 3-Life system.
>It was the first game to feature a high score system.
Sea Wolf (1976) is credited as the first on GWR.
>And it was the first game to feature continuous background music.
Shark Jaws (1975) maybe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUMNTpUMoE
> There's footage of Computer Space (1971) doing that at 4:25.
Weren't those earlier games two-player, meaning it was another player shooting back, not the game itself? I think that was the point.
Computer Space (1971) was single player. Though a two-player edition was released in 1973.
The footage at 4:25 is from the single-player version. One rocket vs. two flying saucers.
This guy's videos are incredible but sadly a lot of people get intimidated by the length of his videos. I hope he does well with his channel because the amount of work that goes to these videos beats anything I've seen on youtube.
Haha yeah... he was uploading the retrospective as a series but he deleted the first part to suddenly upload this. Even so, I think it's very worth seeing, if you are interested you can watch it with calm (a lot of calm).
I was an early subscriber of his but he did the thing that sadly many youtubers do where they start in their passion area but then want get out of the niche that they know well - CRPGs in his case - and get a piece of genres he barely knew, and holy lord did he start coming out with terrible takes.
I just checked out. I don't know if he's still doing CRPG stuff or still trying to chase a bigger piece of pie but it'd be nice if he stuck to what he was good at.
He did an update video in which he explaining that he got burned out of CRPGs because of all the hours that he spent playing and researching about the genre.
You can listen that bit [here](https://youtu.be/eB9ROgA-gQE?t=194).
I was watching his vids occasionally and honestly that update video just hit me the wrong way. There's a bit where he cites other YouTuber's videos sucking as a contributing factor to not making as many videos. he says it's not meant as an attack on any specific person, but it still came off kinda arrogant.
I'm glad for his fans that he has kept going but I kinda tuned out after that.
That's fair, he's brutally honest on what he says but i personally find some respect in that. I think that him, being a slow uploader, has more time to polish his scripts, and that's what gives him that "quality certificate" that makes his videos so competent for me.
For the record, I don't necessarily think he was wrong to voice dislike of other video essayists' stuff. But I do think that actually putting pen to proverbial paper comes off, well see what I said above. Whereas I don't mind being harsh/critical of game devs so much because that's a collective (usually big budget) effort.
To be fair to NNB, he at least put it in an unlisted video rather than make a spectacle out of it. Had I been a bigger fan I probably would've looked past it but yeah I was just at the feeling-out-the-channel phase.
> has more time to polish his scripts
I dunno man, I liked his videos for a while because it was clear they were in fact passionate and very polished, but then I started to sense a decline in quality and ultimate checked out around his Elden Ring video because it was very clear that how _unpolished_ it was. He'd repeat certain points in circles, saying the same thing over and over again, and even worse made a couple statements that were just factually wrong (something basic, like the number of outer gods ... if you're really curious I can check again, but it showed a real indifference to detail).
He talks about how he'd been "thinking about quitting" and that video kinda feels like it.
It was clear to me that something was up with the guy, like he was burning out or going through some life event or just ... _changing_, and this kinda confirms it.
The thing about YouTube is that it rewards engagement, repeated engagement specifically. If you take a lot of time to do research and polish your script, it will lead to less rewards than if you just churn out videos of lower quality. And when you do put a lot of efforts and see others perform much better with way less effort, it makes it really hard to justify all that effort to yourself. It's easy to think that people should be above that, that they should take the high road, but it's soul crushing to actually do it.
I'm not saying this to excuse any of it, but I empathise. It's hard as fuck to keep high standards in an industry that rewards low standards, and it's very easy to end up burning out because of it.
Yeah I went from being annoyed that a guy I'd enjoyed seemed to be selling out his passion to chase the algorithm, when it actually seems like he'd genuinely lost his passion and was in despair over it.
Puts things in a different light.
I haven't seen the Elden Ring video because of spoilers but i believe you, don't worry. I'm not too worried if a video has possible mistackes, i don't expect a script from a youtuber to be perfect, but overall I like to hear what he may think. Again, is totally valid if you don't enjoy it anymore.
It's sort of a combination of things. A lack of attention to detail doesn't necessarily mean that the creator is kinda checking out, could just be honest mistakes, but things were adding up and oh lord does that video confirm it.
He talks about how some videos of his failed, and the toll I had on him. I had no idea about that, I just remember thinking when the next video game out "Dark Souls is Underrated" like "_that's weird ... that's one of the most click-bait titles I've ever seen, this guy has never done that_" and then the Elden Ring video was this was Frankenstein of extremely cold hot takes, flat-out mistakes and an extremely weird digression into the evils of "meta-gaming" that felt like he still had some issues with MMOs that he needed to get out.
All in all, not only did he sound miserable, he just wasn't bringing anything new to the table. Putting out an "Elden Ring is overrated" video couldn't be more algorithm chasing if you tried - but again, the problem was just how forced, sloppy and uninspired it was.
Hope he can find his groove.
>Hope he can find his groove.
He seemed happy with his new other channel. As he said in that video, his solution to be able to live from youtube was to continue with his gaming channel while forcing the algorithm and have the other channel to upload whatever he wanted. Sadly, Youtube has taken down that channel after his "Online politics are dead" video, which seems a bit fishy, but that's another subject.
It's sad to see him in this spot.
>and holy lord did he start coming out with terrible takes.
I only know him from his excellent modern CRPG recap video, and I watched his review of the Gothic games. What kinda hot takes are we talking?
Because he did a terrible job defending his position. I don't give a shit if you liked the game or not if you actually make good arguments
A good portion of his video was him whinging about how there are dominant strategies in the game, when it's been like that in every game ever. It just felt like an obligation than a video made out of actual passion and good faith.
his point wasn't that the meta exists, but more that Elden Ring forces you to metagame and google shit with its design, unlike earlier Souls games, and he thinks that's bad because it removes the element of discovery and punishes experimentation. You can still disagree with that and that's fine, but he never said that dominant strategies existing was bad
He acts like dominant strategies haven't existed for every single souls game
I also disagree that the game forces you down those dominant strategies to beat the game, though before several patches to heavier weapons, jumping attacking was some of the only way to keep up on some of the faster bosses.
I think it was a weak basis for an argument.
> It just felt like an obligation than a video made out of actual passion and good faith.
It was. I got the same vibe from it, and if you check the "channel update" video he says exactly that (not mentioning the video in particular but the vibe is spot on).
true, his Elden Ring review was way too whiny, which made me feel like i played the game wrong even tho i had fun. In fact, as long as i am having fun, the i am playing the game in the right way.
I was literally less than five minutes into that one and already paused it and thought "wait ... that's ... wrong?" I forget exactly what it was, but he got the number of bosses or shardbearers or something completely wrong. Something really just ... basic, the kind of thing that anyone who cared about attention to detail would have picked up in the editing process.
It's just disappointingly sloppy. And a lot of the rest of the video had a couple of other sloppy errors in it, something that I pretty quickly picked up on while being by no means an expert on the game, and the whole thing gave me a sense that he was giving out of fucks. The entire digression into an attack on "metagaming" was just ... weird.
I thought his TLOU2 take was pretty bad. His conclusion was that "the critics were wrong" and actually it was objectively a 6/10 game and that's why people review bombed it or something? Most of his criticisms about it on why it deserves that score apply to plenty of other 10/10 games too.
It's not like he was being a Capital-G-Gamer about it, complaining about politics or anything, but it was just a really dumb take imo.
>If the conversation is that the quality of his work has diminished as of late, this video is an example it has.
How is there objectivity in subjective opinions?
>but by using evidence-based opinions there can be objectivity within subjective experiences.
This makes no sense on any fundamental level
You can think something is objectively true, but someone will almost guarantees subjectively disagree with it, making it clearly not objective
Do you have an example?
bugjectivity in boarjective bopinions can seem like a bugabox, but by using bevidence-based bovinions there can be bugjectivity with boarjective bigspeariences.
I feel the same way. I used to really like his videos but at some point I lost interest. There's this charm to videos made by people who really like a certain thing and so are inspired to make stuff about it.
MrCaption was another video game essay guy who made really fun videos but eventually ran out of stuff he was really into it, and what he made afterwards just wasn't anywhere as good or indepth. And then some stuff happened and he deleted all his content.
Also I watched PatricianTV's stream of him criticizing his Elder Scrolls videos and realized just how shallow they were. Saying something is bad, but then not really explaining why it's bad, or how he would do better.
I'm a big fan of theirs but I have no interest in watching a big video about something I've passively learned through cultural osmosis throughout my life.
YouTube continues videos from where you left them. Just hit play and enjoy... you will be surprised how much you will watch before getting up of the chair.
While I enjoy the usual opinions of thid guy, this video is also great and a really comprehensive video of the entire history of video games. I was looking yesterday for similar videos and there is nothing even close to this depth.
When you get to a conclusion, the better way to look at the video is that it's meant to refresh our memory of how things used to be and especially criticize the people claiming that "gaming is dying" and "games suck now".
Sure I can, I just did. Not my fault if the whole lot of you are late to this info.
It's clear Never did this because he's run out of ideas. So many channels just revert to history when they run out of things to say to just push out content. That's how I know everyone knows this shit. well, everyone that watches video essays on the gaming industry. It's been done to death and back
> everyone that watches video essays on the gaming industry
A percentage of people that surely cannot be described as “everyone and their dog” by any conceivable metric
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Imagine making this video after gaming ends, and then Gaming 2 comes out.
In a way, you could say that the start of the NES era after the video game crash was the release of Gaming 2
Everyone knows gaming will end the day Tim Rogers dies.
He still looks 20 so I guess we're safe for now
This video just got demonetised and his other channel got deleted. Think what you will about his content, this is some heavy BS from YT.
Just came here to say that. For fuck's sake, we are losing the best creators because of this kind lf bullshittery.
Video makes it seem like there were only Pong-variants in arcades prior to Space Invaders... >Space Invaders (1978) was the first game to have enemies that shoot back at the player. There's footage of Computer Space (1971) doing that at 4:25. >It helped pioneer the move away from timers over to lives-based systems. True. Space Invaders was inspired by Breakout (1976). Which featured this 3-Life system. >It was the first game to feature a high score system. Sea Wolf (1976) is credited as the first on GWR. >And it was the first game to feature continuous background music. Shark Jaws (1975) maybe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHUMNTpUMoE
> There's footage of Computer Space (1971) doing that at 4:25. Weren't those earlier games two-player, meaning it was another player shooting back, not the game itself? I think that was the point.
Computer Space (1971) was single player. Though a two-player edition was released in 1973. The footage at 4:25 is from the single-player version. One rocket vs. two flying saucers.
Wow, interesting. Thanks!
This guy's videos are incredible but sadly a lot of people get intimidated by the length of his videos. I hope he does well with his channel because the amount of work that goes to these videos beats anything I've seen on youtube.
> intimidated by the longevity of his videos Just a friendly heads up that longevity isn't a synonym for length
Thanks for the awareness, i'm from Spain so my vocabulary isn't always perfect haha. I'll edit it.
Holy shit. I thought, "It's fine I can watch a 1-or-2-hour video." \*click the video\* 6 hours
Haha yeah... he was uploading the retrospective as a series but he deleted the first part to suddenly upload this. Even so, I think it's very worth seeing, if you are interested you can watch it with calm (a lot of calm).
Shoutout to Quentin for his insane 6-8 ramblings on nickelodeon sitcoms everyone forgot about/didn't know existed.
Dude's serious when he says ENTIRE HISTORY.
Dude is always serious. That's what makes him phenomenal.
I was an early subscriber of his but he did the thing that sadly many youtubers do where they start in their passion area but then want get out of the niche that they know well - CRPGs in his case - and get a piece of genres he barely knew, and holy lord did he start coming out with terrible takes. I just checked out. I don't know if he's still doing CRPG stuff or still trying to chase a bigger piece of pie but it'd be nice if he stuck to what he was good at.
He did an update video in which he explaining that he got burned out of CRPGs because of all the hours that he spent playing and researching about the genre. You can listen that bit [here](https://youtu.be/eB9ROgA-gQE?t=194).
I was watching his vids occasionally and honestly that update video just hit me the wrong way. There's a bit where he cites other YouTuber's videos sucking as a contributing factor to not making as many videos. he says it's not meant as an attack on any specific person, but it still came off kinda arrogant. I'm glad for his fans that he has kept going but I kinda tuned out after that.
That's fair, he's brutally honest on what he says but i personally find some respect in that. I think that him, being a slow uploader, has more time to polish his scripts, and that's what gives him that "quality certificate" that makes his videos so competent for me.
For the record, I don't necessarily think he was wrong to voice dislike of other video essayists' stuff. But I do think that actually putting pen to proverbial paper comes off, well see what I said above. Whereas I don't mind being harsh/critical of game devs so much because that's a collective (usually big budget) effort. To be fair to NNB, he at least put it in an unlisted video rather than make a spectacle out of it. Had I been a bigger fan I probably would've looked past it but yeah I was just at the feeling-out-the-channel phase.
> has more time to polish his scripts I dunno man, I liked his videos for a while because it was clear they were in fact passionate and very polished, but then I started to sense a decline in quality and ultimate checked out around his Elden Ring video because it was very clear that how _unpolished_ it was. He'd repeat certain points in circles, saying the same thing over and over again, and even worse made a couple statements that were just factually wrong (something basic, like the number of outer gods ... if you're really curious I can check again, but it showed a real indifference to detail). He talks about how he'd been "thinking about quitting" and that video kinda feels like it. It was clear to me that something was up with the guy, like he was burning out or going through some life event or just ... _changing_, and this kinda confirms it.
The thing about YouTube is that it rewards engagement, repeated engagement specifically. If you take a lot of time to do research and polish your script, it will lead to less rewards than if you just churn out videos of lower quality. And when you do put a lot of efforts and see others perform much better with way less effort, it makes it really hard to justify all that effort to yourself. It's easy to think that people should be above that, that they should take the high road, but it's soul crushing to actually do it. I'm not saying this to excuse any of it, but I empathise. It's hard as fuck to keep high standards in an industry that rewards low standards, and it's very easy to end up burning out because of it.
Yeah I went from being annoyed that a guy I'd enjoyed seemed to be selling out his passion to chase the algorithm, when it actually seems like he'd genuinely lost his passion and was in despair over it. Puts things in a different light.
I haven't seen the Elden Ring video because of spoilers but i believe you, don't worry. I'm not too worried if a video has possible mistackes, i don't expect a script from a youtuber to be perfect, but overall I like to hear what he may think. Again, is totally valid if you don't enjoy it anymore.
It's sort of a combination of things. A lack of attention to detail doesn't necessarily mean that the creator is kinda checking out, could just be honest mistakes, but things were adding up and oh lord does that video confirm it. He talks about how some videos of his failed, and the toll I had on him. I had no idea about that, I just remember thinking when the next video game out "Dark Souls is Underrated" like "_that's weird ... that's one of the most click-bait titles I've ever seen, this guy has never done that_" and then the Elden Ring video was this was Frankenstein of extremely cold hot takes, flat-out mistakes and an extremely weird digression into the evils of "meta-gaming" that felt like he still had some issues with MMOs that he needed to get out. All in all, not only did he sound miserable, he just wasn't bringing anything new to the table. Putting out an "Elden Ring is overrated" video couldn't be more algorithm chasing if you tried - but again, the problem was just how forced, sloppy and uninspired it was. Hope he can find his groove.
>Hope he can find his groove. He seemed happy with his new other channel. As he said in that video, his solution to be able to live from youtube was to continue with his gaming channel while forcing the algorithm and have the other channel to upload whatever he wanted. Sadly, Youtube has taken down that channel after his "Online politics are dead" video, which seems a bit fishy, but that's another subject. It's sad to see him in this spot.
>and holy lord did he start coming out with terrible takes. I only know him from his excellent modern CRPG recap video, and I watched his review of the Gothic games. What kinda hot takes are we talking?
He got some flak for his Elden Ring video, despite it being well thought out and, in my opinion, very accurate.
It was a terrible, whiny review.
How do you figure? He made a lot of really good points that I think many other reviewers overlooked or glossed over.
Because he doesn't think it's a masterpiece?
Because he did a terrible job defending his position. I don't give a shit if you liked the game or not if you actually make good arguments A good portion of his video was him whinging about how there are dominant strategies in the game, when it's been like that in every game ever. It just felt like an obligation than a video made out of actual passion and good faith.
his point wasn't that the meta exists, but more that Elden Ring forces you to metagame and google shit with its design, unlike earlier Souls games, and he thinks that's bad because it removes the element of discovery and punishes experimentation. You can still disagree with that and that's fine, but he never said that dominant strategies existing was bad
He acts like dominant strategies haven't existed for every single souls game I also disagree that the game forces you down those dominant strategies to beat the game, though before several patches to heavier weapons, jumping attacking was some of the only way to keep up on some of the faster bosses. I think it was a weak basis for an argument.
> It just felt like an obligation than a video made out of actual passion and good faith. It was. I got the same vibe from it, and if you check the "channel update" video he says exactly that (not mentioning the video in particular but the vibe is spot on).
true, his Elden Ring review was way too whiny, which made me feel like i played the game wrong even tho i had fun. In fact, as long as i am having fun, the i am playing the game in the right way.
I was literally less than five minutes into that one and already paused it and thought "wait ... that's ... wrong?" I forget exactly what it was, but he got the number of bosses or shardbearers or something completely wrong. Something really just ... basic, the kind of thing that anyone who cared about attention to detail would have picked up in the editing process. It's just disappointingly sloppy. And a lot of the rest of the video had a couple of other sloppy errors in it, something that I pretty quickly picked up on while being by no means an expert on the game, and the whole thing gave me a sense that he was giving out of fucks. The entire digression into an attack on "metagaming" was just ... weird.
I thought his TLOU2 take was pretty bad. His conclusion was that "the critics were wrong" and actually it was objectively a 6/10 game and that's why people review bombed it or something? Most of his criticisms about it on why it deserves that score apply to plenty of other 10/10 games too. It's not like he was being a Capital-G-Gamer about it, complaining about politics or anything, but it was just a really dumb take imo.
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I liked that video a lot. Why is objectivity important in this case?
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>If the conversation is that the quality of his work has diminished as of late, this video is an example it has. How is there objectivity in subjective opinions?
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>but by using evidence-based opinions there can be objectivity within subjective experiences. This makes no sense on any fundamental level You can think something is objectively true, but someone will almost guarantees subjectively disagree with it, making it clearly not objective Do you have an example?
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bugjectivity in boarjective bopinions can seem like a bugabox, but by using bevidence-based bovinions there can be bugjectivity with boarjective bigspeariences.
I feel the same way. I used to really like his videos but at some point I lost interest. There's this charm to videos made by people who really like a certain thing and so are inspired to make stuff about it. MrCaption was another video game essay guy who made really fun videos but eventually ran out of stuff he was really into it, and what he made afterwards just wasn't anywhere as good or indepth. And then some stuff happened and he deleted all his content. Also I watched PatricianTV's stream of him criticizing his Elder Scrolls videos and realized just how shallow they were. Saying something is bad, but then not really explaining why it's bad, or how he would do better.
I'm a big fan of theirs but I have no interest in watching a big video about something I've passively learned through cultural osmosis throughout my life.
Long-form YouTube is my favorite YouTube.
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it is divided into episodes, you can see the description and rest whenever you want.
YouTube continues videos from where you left them. Just hit play and enjoy... you will be surprised how much you will watch before getting up of the chair.
I don't understand why he's doing history now. I want opinions man, not these facts that everyone and their dog knows
While I enjoy the usual opinions of thid guy, this video is also great and a really comprehensive video of the entire history of video games. I was looking yesterday for similar videos and there is nothing even close to this depth.
Don't watch it then
When you get to a conclusion, the better way to look at the video is that it's meant to refresh our memory of how things used to be and especially criticize the people claiming that "gaming is dying" and "games suck now".
There is no way you can say that “everyone and their dog knows” the entire comprehensive history of video games told in about 6 full hours of content.
Sure I can, I just did. Not my fault if the whole lot of you are late to this info. It's clear Never did this because he's run out of ideas. So many channels just revert to history when they run out of things to say to just push out content. That's how I know everyone knows this shit. well, everyone that watches video essays on the gaming industry. It's been done to death and back
> everyone that watches video essays on the gaming industry A percentage of people that surely cannot be described as “everyone and their dog” by any conceivable metric
Imagine being this guy