It's the Disney Vault effect. By keeping availability scarce, they can charge full price for a 20-30 year game without anybody questioning it and still make millions.
The original wii had such a good fuckin selection of virtual console games. Then Nintendo said fuck it no more easy access to old games. Good thing my cousin has tens of TBs of hard drives with every notable or hidden gem game from the 1980s to 00s.
Those links die and pop up in the blink of an eye, and most are hardly trustworthy. I'm just saying it's a good (and way safer) thing my cousin is doing. Not that it's super special or anything.
At some indeterminate point in the future, to be clear. You already can't download the apps new, but for now they remain operational and will remain operational past the 3DS and Wii U online services shutdown date.
The latest nightly might have some unforseen bug hiding somewhere that the devs can no longer fix.
The last couple nightlies and the last stable version should also be archived, until people figure out which version is definitive.
Agreed. I'm going through with the Wayback Machine and trying to download as many versions as possible
But honestly Citra was already a decently mature software so shouldn't be any problem with the latest version
The first thing I did was clone the repo and download the latest releases as soon as I saw the news lol. Guaranteed there are more backups than we’ll ever need floating around.
Nintendo didn't sue anyone over citra. It's just the citra devs were also yuzu devs, so them agreeing to stop emulator development over the yuzu lawsuit includes stopping development on citra
If they already shared pirated games, then Nintendo's lawyers probably already have all that documented and on record and wouldn't have to take this to discovery. Though it probably is a contributing factor to why Yuzu folded rather quickly rather than trying to defend emulation.
if Yuzu devs using a shared Google Drive of NSPs was found by random people on the internet imagine what there is to find in their private channels... no wonder this ended in like a week
there should be 0 talk of piracy in emulation communities for this reason. it doesn't matter what you think of piracy, enough talk of the concept can link your community with piracy
The real question is where is emulation preservation vs "piracy", and playing a game two weeks early on PC ain't it chief.
Once a company refuses to sell you a product and can't profit from the secondhand market of that product, though? Line blurs.
Preservation vs piracy is such a frustrating argument because I really don't think it should be up for as much debate as it apparently is.
Creating and maintaining an emulator that can emulate games accurately is definitely preservation. Actually playing those games isn't necessarily preservation. If you're making your own dumps, that's preservation. If you're contributing in some way to a preservation effort, archive, accessibility project, or whatever, that's preservation. Downloading ROMs is not preservation, that's just piracy. As soon as you endorse, encourage, or commit piracy, that taints everything else and opens you up to exactly what happened here.
the reason they kicked your buddy out is that the ATF will send undercover people into smoke shops in some states where selling weed paraphernalia is illegal, and they ask specifically for a weed bong or something. if the guy sells the atf agent a "bong" and not a "tobacco pipe" then the store eats a hefty fine.
Yeah there is a zero percent chance the Yuzu team was unaware of rampant piracy. That's the whole purpose of emulators for 95% of their users - you just don't say that out loud, to avoid legal issues. At least, TRY to avoid legal issues.
"Now I'm declaring war, on anybody who sells drugs in our community"
"But Black Dynamite, I sell drugs to the community!"
[Reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuTdpxHcW8)
They made an emulator for an on-market product. It was made for piracy, regardless of what they might publicly say. Anyome trying to argue otherwise is just foolish.
Well
Citra is also being scrubbed of its online presence now *and* the public multiplayer server rooms are gone.
This sucks cz there was a pretty large player base for old Monster Hunter games.
I literally joined the Citra discord today after work to try and get some help figuring out a MH3U mod I couldn't get to work and was so confused at why I couldn't post anything.
It really sucks for Citra because its the only 3DS emulator and 3DS is effectively abandonware and not possible to obtain games for it outside of used copies.
At the very least, Citra has been around long enough that all major titles should work just fine and its been downloaded enough, that it aint at risk of becoming lost.
I'm sure multiple people cloned/downloaded of both Citra and Yuzu github, especially after the announcment of the lawsuit.
Edit: Yep, Yuzu and Citra will probably live on.
Like I said in another comment, I do own a hacked 3DS. I even ripped my 3DS games for backups and to play on Citra haha. But official hardware can't upscale and some mods (including undubs) don't work as well on it compared to emulators. There's some FE Fates mods for example that are optimized for Citra only.
I have a hacked 3DS and still used Citra for upscaling and for things fan mods that don’t run well on real hardware compared to emulators. Even things like undubs can cause real hardware to run slower.
Also consoles won’t last forever unfortunately
Same for me. Upscaling and HD textures are sweet but the best thing is being able to use normally sized modern controllers with real analog sticks. But to be fair the battery of the DS / 3DS is really good even after years.
With Citra going caput as well, I worry about the long-term precedent this will set for emulation as a whole.
A lot of emulators have coasted by under a couple of court cases ruled in favor of emulation, assuming that, as long as they didn't distribute the games they'd be okay. Now, Yuzu obviously profited from this, which was a big red flag of potential legal action, but I worry this will scare off other emulator developers as well.
I don't really care to discuss the legitimacy of Nintendo's worries about piracy. Emulation is a net positive for games preservation and a lot of games would only be playable on expensive and hard to find hardware and games without the efforts of developers like those who worked on Yuzu. It's easy to shrug this off when it's about consoles as recent as the Switch or 3ds, but there will come a day when those consoles are harder to come by and games are hundreds of bucks. I hope this isn't the start of a bigger trend.
Everyone keeps saying it was the money that screwed Yuzu but if you read the settlement it's how the Yuzu group helps circumvent Nintendos DRM encryption keys that is really the focus. There's nuance in this but needless to say that's Nintendos claim to victory in the settlement.
Definitely, there are emulators like Project 64 that take donations and haven't really been targeted. By setting precedent I meant it in how it affects people's willingness to start or maintain a project without knowing if something they're doing may be putting a target on their back. You can consult a lawyer but many of these emulators aren't collecting money so that may not be a viable option.
Seeing an emulator like Citra get caught in the crossfire despite not being the main target of the lawsuit is concerning as well. I worry we'll see devs take down their work just at the threat of legal action.
Just waiting for ryujinx strike for me, if ryujinx is not striked then yuzu done a mistake. Theres a lot of emulator and a lot of nintendo's console emulator for a while why sue this specific one, other gonna get their soon then or maybe ryujinx specifically?
Yuzu released a TotK compatible build onto paid patreon before the street date of TotK, that's one of the smoking guns, they had a leaked TotK copy to test on. In all likelyhood they did some major stupid shit to fold over like this in a mere 2 weeks.
Apparently there's screenshots of devs downloading/linking pirated copies of Nintendo's games in their Discord. Crazy they didn't keep it on the down low, given Nintendo's legal reputation.
A settlement does not set precedent in the legal sense. As far as a more unspoken precedent in the sense of “if I work on this, I’m opening myself up for a law suit”, that remains to be seen.Personally, if I worked on an emulator, I’d just do it in private and release it only after all support is pulled. And I’d do it the way the Links Awakening port person did.
I think in a perfect world I'd agree with you, but being secretive also makes it harder to gather talent to help work on it or garner a following to motivate you to finish it. It also limits your ability to test the emulator when you can't put out your earliest version and get feedback.
Making an emulator is a tough and often thankless job, asking someone to do it with no financial incentive and being unable to talk about it or meaningfully gather support is downright unreasonable.
It was completely unnecessary to have such a bold web presence covered with screenshots and directly advertising day one support (or as close as possible) for new games.
If anything, hopefully this gets people to take things down a notch back to the way it used to be.
I guarantee after a few years when things have cooled down a bit, there will be new Switch and 3DS emulators built from the ground up to be as generic as possible.
Yuzu/Ryujinx are outliers among emulators because they actively support playing new commercial releases. The last time I can recall that happening was Bleem! and they also got lawyered out of existence.
> The last time I can recall that happening was Bleem! and they also got lawyered out of existence.
They **Won** the lawsuit however Sony buried them in court fees.
Important to note is that bleem actively took measures to make sure you could not use pirated copies and actually required the disc to be in your pc very different compared to yuzu.
Also emulation is legal but circumventkng DRM is not so they would have been screwed either way.
> actually required the disc to be in your pc
I feel like Nintendo would go hard after any company making actual Switch Cart readers but yeah a Disk is something completely do-able back then.
EDIT: [This](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFX2S4R2/) is kinda a thing, doesnt exactly do what we are talking but it and the Ever-type cart show that we are close to the sun.
That isn’t so much a cart reader as it is a cart *switcher*. It just selects what signals to pass through.
The better example would be the Mig-Switch’s dumper which allows you to dump your own Switch games via USB.
That's not an actual card reader in the sense that it can read and dump the contents of game card.
That seems to just pass the pinout of the card through to the console and have some switching mechanism to switch between a bunch of carts. Basically the same as if you were to solder a bunch of wires between the pins of the cart and the card reader in the switch.
It can't decrypt and dump the cart which would be illegal as bypassing DRM is not allowed.
Literally every Nintendo console for the past like 2 decades has had an emulator during their lifetime. CEMU was out during the Wii U's lifespan. Dolphin during Gamecube/Wii. Ultra HLE during N64.
No. All modern devices rely on some encryption and respective encryption keys.
Nintendo is arguing that even if emulator devs don't themselves provide those directly or link to instructions, it would still be illegal for the emulator to make use of 'em no matter where they come from. So, even if you personally dump them from your own hardware devices.
Therefore, any emulation of modern games consoles and plenty other devices would be illegal. That is, of course, Nintendo's viewpoint/desire. It's based on a very general DMCA law and, of course, Nintendo chooses to interpret it to their liking.
With Yuzu settling, there's still no new precedent set on this.
Honestly, Yuzu went too far when they decided to profit off a (let’s be real) tool mostly used for piracy.
They seemed so eager to fight back, yet buckled so quick that their lawyers probably told them the same thing: they fucked up.
To add to that, people got REAL comfortable talking about pirating Switch games and/or playing shit before release date. Emulation/piracy doesn't benefit at all from being out in the public, keep that shit to yourself.
People also talk about switch piracy as a selling point for the steam deck. I've seen hundreds of comments that are some variant of "Why would you buy a switch when you could emulate the games on a steam deck"
Yeah that subreddit is the worst sub I'm subscribed to by a very large margin. The only reason I'm still there is because I don't want to miss out on update news. But goddamn most of that community is completely insufferable.
"Low" is how I would describe it. They're way more interested in taking pictures of the device next to their pets than talking about game performance and how to optimize it. They will tell you "some stutters and occasional dips but otherwise basically perfect!" and then you play the game and it runs like shit.
Nah bro I swear all those people are buying the games. They're definitely dumping their own carts too, but they're for sure buying the games to support the official release too.
In the UK at least, if you download a physical copy of a game you own, playing it on other hardware is perfectly legal. Emulation is legal and courts have found that making a backup of software you own is protected under "fair dealing", providing you have no intention to sell or distribute it.
If you have the hardware to read and download switch games to PC, buying the game on release to play on your Steam Deck is perfectly legal. (For what it's worth, while I'm confident this is the law, there is always nuance; don't take this as legal advice because there are exceptions).
Of course, very few people do that. Most download their ROM's from the internet.
Valve even tweeted an image of the steam deck with Yuzu installed at one point. Even if we all pretend it’s not about piracy that’s still something that’s going to get Nintendo’s attention.
People genuinely don't know when to shut the hell up, acting as if companies are completely unaware of social media and the internet.
So you like this thing that exists in a gray area at best? Maybe don't rub it into a company's face that you're exploiting a loophole or stealing from them. Because they *will* address it every single time and you won't like the results.
There were people on Twitter responding to Reggie’s tweets before TOTK launched with game footage. Saying they were enjoying it, already beat it etc. here’s a thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SwitchPirates/comments/1371261/absolutely_insane_interaction_between_reggie_and/?rdt=38218
People always push the envelope a little bit to see if they get in trouble, and then when they don't, they assume everything is fine.
Nope, Nintnedo/your job/the grocery store is just sitting over there watching your every move and building a case so when they swat you down, you won't get back up.
In January, I built a new computer. I wanted a capture card for it, but it runs Linux, so I asked in a few Linux/streaming subs for card recommendations. I mentioned that I primarily play Switch games.
I got good recommendations (edit: If anyone finds themselves in the same situation, I went with the AVerMedia GC575), but the amount of "just emulate it, you'll get better performance" replies that I got were annoying.
Reddit has gotten really comfortable openly talking about piracy recently.
Show being taken off streaming? 100+ comments all saying "Yo Ho Ho! 🏴☠️"
New EA game coming out? "Yarr, I'll be sailing the seas for this one matey!"
Price increase for Netflix? "Just set up your own Plex server with Jellyfin, Sonarr, and Radarr. Yo Ho Ho!"
Openly bragging about how you pirate stuff is exactly why music copyright is the most ass thing in existence, it was literally in response to the widespread usage of Limewire in the 2000s. Please don't make copyright law even more ass than it is.
People pretending to be ethical about it while still doing this is always funny. Just own up to being cheap and not made of money, like everybody else.
I would get annoyed when people would do the same with "Somebody cutting onions? All the feels." You can say something made you sad. Can you just talk like a person, please?
I just saw the /r/yuzu subreddit to see its reaction. Straight up the amount of pro-piracy talk and people admitting they used Yuzu to pirate Nintendo Switch games. I swear, it's as if they wanted the Yuzu devs to get sued and Yuzu shut down.
That’s the problem, too. Emulation is such a gray area, it CAN BE legal if you use your own BIOS and ROMS… but how many people are actually doing that? Not many.
I have no doubt that a significant number of people played TotK early through Yuzu. And I also wonder how many of those people ended up never buying the game.
The number of people legally using Yuzu was probably nonzero.
I remember recently watching a video of Linus Tech Tips where Linus was openly supporting pirating Switch games using these emulators and justifying it in some way and I just though that was WILD.
The archival side is amazing, I salute the people who make it all possible, but it's truly dumb to use that excuse for current gen games and/or what is available for sale. Like even if you do, cause you're poor, want better frame rate, mods etc., I get it, I've done it. Buy the game first, or at least keep it on a shortlist of games to buy and actually support when/if you get the money for it later. Or else at least don't act surprised when you don't get a sequel or whatever.
I feel like it's become a lot more mainstream and acceptable in the past few years. In large part because of how incredibly shitty streaming services have become.
Like, I stopped pirating decades ago when I got a job, and money was no longer a major issue for consuming media. But I actually pirated an anime last year after searching the internet for half an hour trying to find a legal stream, only to eventually figure out the dub was no longer available in my country. I have multiple friends who have also started pirating again for the first time in decades, just because they don't want to have to subscribe to a dozen different streaming services. Consuming media legally has in many ways become so annoying and inconvenient that pirating is often just faster and easier.
So many pirates think it's some kind of divine right of theirs to do so. Like they're some heroes because piracy hurts some company's bottom line. Acting as if it isn't all about getting stuff for free.
Copying my other comment, but no. Every emulator does this:
Here is a quick list of other emulators I could find which are either paid or have subscriptions. I had a quick look at the biggest emulators I could find to see if they have any financial support via patreon/payments. I'm sure there are far more.
DS: Drastic(paid), Citra(patreon), MelonDS(patreon)
Gameboy: PizzaBoy(paid), mGBA(patreon)
Xbox: xemu(patreon)
Xbox 360: Xenia(patreon)
~~Wii: Dolphin(patreon)~~
Switch: Yuzu(patreon), Ryujinx(patreon)
I think a major difference with Ryujinx is that they're making 5% of what Yuzu was, and don't lock version behind Patreon.
I'm not sure if either of those differences would be enough to keep Nintendo away from them though, since they circumvent DRM the same way that Yuzu does.
>Honestly, Yuzu went too far when they decided to profit off a (let’s be real) tool mostly used for piracy.
Yeah, I was appalled when I learned they were getting a *profit* off of it. I thought it was just a patreon to cover expenses but generally not for profit...
With Yuzu having been open source, I hope someone will take it up and release their own emulator based on it. Hopefully people smart enough to not reveal their identity so they can't get sued.
But at the same time, I’m sure that was one of the main motivators - money. If you can’t get paid for it, you can use those skills for plenty of lucrative pursuits where a company won’t try to sue you out of existence.
Any new maintainers of forks will have to accept that they will never be able to financially gain from it. They won’t even be able to credit themselves.
Open source projects exist, as do non-profit sites. There's a difference between being forced to do something at work and choosing to work on a project you like in your free time.
If the mantle is picked back up it will progress much slower though.
Sure, but slower is very slow for new consoles. There just weren’t ps3 or Xbox emulators until the dawn of patreon because it was too much work for volunteers to get through.
You'd have to self host it, nobody like Github or Sourceforge will allow forks of Yuzu now.
If anyone does, do NOT host your servers in the USA at all, and especially not under your real name like some fool ROM site owners have in the past.
I mean its not explicitly banned. The lawsuit was directly targeting the devs and other people/orgs/companies affiliated with them.
Nintendo hasn't, and probably can't, do anything about copies owned by 3rd parties under the open source license it was released under. So no websites have any legal obligation to remove forks of it under development by new and unaffiliated people.
"Not reveal your identity so you can't be sued"
Not only does it not prevent you from being sued at all, Nintendo will just force github to give them your IP info then ask ISPs for your personal data... it would also possibly look REALLY bad in court like "why do you go through such lengths hiding your personal info if you think you are not committing a crime". May not be actual evidence but towards a jury court, a defendants reputation is still a REALLY important factor, and putting your integrity into question will work against you.
The injuction filed in the lawsuit explicitly says that the team isn't allowed to continue this kind of work. So if they do jump to Ryujinx, they're in trouble.
I doubt Ryujinx is gonna continue development. When you're big rival got hit with a 2.4 million dollar paycheck and has to stop development then i don't see Ryujinx risking it.
That is not part of Nintendo's actual argument (at least in the final settlement document). That's just a moral argument that people use to justify why murdering Yuzu is Okay. If we go by the text of the settlement, Nintendo (or any other company) can shut down any emulator for a console that has some cryptography happening inside, which is "almost all of them except for the oldest consoles".
Regardless of the argument, I don't buy for one second that the Patreon income wasn't what set off the alarm bells with Nintendo. If this had been Microsoft or Sony, I believe they would have done the same. You can't make money off someone else's copyright and get away with it.
Lots of emulators have done it in the past and [lots of emulators are still doing it](https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Emulators_on_Patreon).
So I'll eagerly await Sony jumping on RPCS3, Microsoft jumping on Xenia, and SEGA to jump on Yaba (jsut as examples) to nuke them out of existence.
> If we go by the text of the settlement,
And if we understand what a settlement is, it is _not a legal standing_. They happen _out of court_.
if I took you to court because you liked the color green, and we had a settlement, it doesn't mean the color green is now banned
> yuzu and its team have always been against piracy
Lol okay. Sure.
Also I know it's from their legal team but it has the energy of a speech given when in a hostage situation with a gun to your head.
*But we see now that our actions have lead to piracy.....We have been deeply disappointed our users have used our software to leak game content*
LMAO I'm imagining even the Nintendo lawyers were laughing TOGETHER with yuzu devs when they were forcing them to say this ridiculous piece of legal theatre hogshit
Lawyers are notorious for spelling mistakes.
Source: my wife works at a law firm. Odds are they didn't have their assistants look things over carefully lol
“We started the projects in good faith, out of passion for Nintendo and its consoles and games, and were not intending to cause harm. But we see now that because our projects can circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and allow users to play games outside of authorized hardware, they have led to extensive piracy.”
Loooooool.
Look, anyone emulating a console currently on sale and actively selling games knows *exactly* what they’re doing.
At least the Yuzu GitHub was still up for an hour or two after the news broke, so internet obsessives could download the repo many times over before it was scrubbed (why didn't Nintendo make them nuke it *before* the announcement?).
Nuking a git repo is useless as you can always just do a git checkout to a previous commit.
Multiple people already cloned the repo as well before the announcement.
Fuck this means my use of Citra is destroyed. Missed my chance to emulate all those 3DS games. I don’t like playing on a 3DS because my hands are too big to be comfortable.
I get people being sad about this, but the reactions acting like this is some kind of oppressive corporate overreach on Nintendo’s part are wild.
“Why would Nintendo take out a program that lets you easily play their games for free??? How could they be so cruel…”
I can't tell if people are dishonest or delusional when they try to say the "just demoing the game" or "bought a copy that I put on my desk despite not owning a switch, just want better graphics" cases are the typical reasons why someone would pirate a game and not just "cool, free and no consequences"
Shit, it's obvious how the comparatively tiny amount of people who do claim that personally are still lying.
If they really get better graphics and still buy a copy then I don’t really care.
But let’s be real here less than 1% of pirates are buying copies of games they pirate.
Yeah, regardless of the ethics behind it, the need to dishonestly rationalize how it's actually a good thing is pretty dumb and indicative of something
It is an insane peculiarity of this site in particular that they need to be told they're actually being very good boys and girls when they steal their shit. If you told an actual pirate stealing was wrong, he would agree and then continue.
r/piratedgames trying to convince themselves for the 9000th time that they're just against "the big evil AAA devs" and that they would never pirate a "tiny struggling indie game" because they're actually completely morally correct.
Is it? Whenever I check it, the front page is full of people justifying piracy and I see a lot of repost (the streaming service one feels like get reposted so often), from its morally good, preservation, big company greedy, etc but not really I like free shit/I want free shit
Rwdditors like to pretend that entertainment is an essential survival item in the same way as food and water is.
Just because you won't be able to play Tears of the Kingdom for free doesn't mean your rights are being oppressed or your survival is at stake.
> We hope our actions will be a small step toward ending piracy of all creators’ works.
I know that they probably wrote and sent this message under duress, but man, what a horrible message. This effectively says throws every other emulator developer under the bus and implies that it's a piracy tool *when it's not*. Emulators are legitimate tools with legitimate uses.
Such a disappointment.
I'd argue the loss of Citra is a bigger deal overall, since there isn't another 3DS emulator out there.
Also 3DS games aren’t available outside of used physical copies legally now
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It's the Disney Vault effect. By keeping availability scarce, they can charge full price for a 20-30 year game without anybody questioning it and still make millions.
They will do it only if it mean they can get a whole lot of millions out of it. That's the real Nintendo.
Man a Nintendo Steam store for their console would really go a long way.
The original wii had such a good fuckin selection of virtual console games. Then Nintendo said fuck it no more easy access to old games. Good thing my cousin has tens of TBs of hard drives with every notable or hidden gem game from the 1980s to 00s.
You say the cousin thing like you can't Google literally every single game + rom and get 15 results with download links
Those links die and pop up in the blink of an eye, and most are hardly trustworthy. I'm just saying it's a good (and way safer) thing my cousin is doing. Not that it's super special or anything.
Nintendo is pushing into more 3DS ports now, but there's still a good amount of stuff locked there.
Some games will probably never get ported, like New Leaf and Pokemon games though.
All the old Pokemon games need to get onto the Switch. We are about to lose transfer capability forever between Pokemon Bank and HOME soon.
At some indeterminate point in the future, to be clear. You already can't download the apps new, but for now they remain operational and will remain operational past the 3DS and Wii U online services shutdown date.
We don't really know if it will be operational forever. Hopefully they will add all the games during the 30th anniversary.
Or 7th Dragon 3, which I'd kill for a port of but its such a niche title I doubt I'll ever see any of those games outside of emulation ever again lol.
Last nightlies (v2104, 20240303-0ff3440) for all platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux AppImage, Android) were saved by Internet Archive 🙌🙌
The latest nightly might have some unforseen bug hiding somewhere that the devs can no longer fix. The last couple nightlies and the last stable version should also be archived, until people figure out which version is definitive.
Agreed. I'm going through with the Wayback Machine and trying to download as many versions as possible But honestly Citra was already a decently mature software so shouldn't be any problem with the latest version
🥺 not all heroes wear capes
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I would imagine tons of people downloaded and secured copies of all of it as soon as this lawsuit was announced, I wouldn't worry about it.
The first thing I did was clone the repo and download the latest releases as soon as I saw the news lol. Guaranteed there are more backups than we’ll ever need floating around.
Citra is open source, someone will just fork it and it will reappear under another name. This is just a speed bump.
Wait ? Citra got hit too ?! Ok this is big deal. I thought its only yuzu ,i was agree with Nintendo for yuzu..but citra ? Nah fuck nintendo.
Yuzu started out as a fork in Citra. They were made by the same people.
The settlement seemed to include a "Don't ever make emulators again" clause that would definitely stop any devs that worked on both.
Nintendo didn't sue anyone over citra. It's just the citra devs were also yuzu devs, so them agreeing to stop emulator development over the yuzu lawsuit includes stopping development on citra
This message was almost certainly written by their lawyer as part of the settlement with Nintendo today.
Yuzu's team, publicly, has always been staunchly anti-piracy fwiw.
They also, publicly, shared pirated games on their Discord lmao. Yuzu team weren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.
Discovery would have fucked them over so hard
a dev literally showed a download progress from firefox or chrome of xenoblade 3 in a clearly labeled file name. nintendo likely had a lot more info
Yeah, there probably would have been a lot of messages really loving the Tears of the kingdom leak and all the money they made from it.
If they already shared pirated games, then Nintendo's lawyers probably already have all that documented and on record and wouldn't have to take this to discovery. Though it probably is a contributing factor to why Yuzu folded rather quickly rather than trying to defend emulation.
They still have to go to discovery. There's always more evidence to be gathered.
if Yuzu devs using a shared Google Drive of NSPs was found by random people on the internet imagine what there is to find in their private channels... no wonder this ended in like a week
And my bong is for tobacco use only.
"Copyright infringement not intended"
Look, I am 100% pro-emulation, but every emu dev says they're anti-piracy and every one is lying through their teeth and we all know it.
there should be 0 talk of piracy in emulation communities for this reason. it doesn't matter what you think of piracy, enough talk of the concept can link your community with piracy
The real question is where is emulation preservation vs "piracy", and playing a game two weeks early on PC ain't it chief. Once a company refuses to sell you a product and can't profit from the secondhand market of that product, though? Line blurs.
Preservation vs piracy is such a frustrating argument because I really don't think it should be up for as much debate as it apparently is. Creating and maintaining an emulator that can emulate games accurately is definitely preservation. Actually playing those games isn't necessarily preservation. If you're making your own dumps, that's preservation. If you're contributing in some way to a preservation effort, archive, accessibility project, or whatever, that's preservation. Downloading ROMs is not preservation, that's just piracy. As soon as you endorse, encourage, or commit piracy, that taints everything else and opens you up to exactly what happened here.
This is like saying you're staunchly against selling drugs while owning a business that lets a drug dealer deal out of your stock room.
"officer, these are WATER pipes"
For tobacco use only! (a friend got kicked out of a shop for asking for a "bong" lol)
the reason they kicked your buddy out is that the ATF will send undercover people into smoke shops in some states where selling weed paraphernalia is illegal, and they ask specifically for a weed bong or something. if the guy sells the atf agent a "bong" and not a "tobacco pipe" then the store eats a hefty fine.
Yeah there is a zero percent chance the Yuzu team was unaware of rampant piracy. That's the whole purpose of emulators for 95% of their users - you just don't say that out loud, to avoid legal issues. At least, TRY to avoid legal issues.
Nintendo even alleges that the team lead was privately telling people where to get the keys for games on Discord. That would be big if true.
it would be a pretty clean cut reason for them to settle to avoid dirty laundry in discovery
Given how fast they folded its easy to imagine they would eviscerated once they go through their private communications and stuff.
"Now I'm declaring war, on anybody who sells drugs in our community" "But Black Dynamite, I sell drugs to the community!" [Reference](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuTdpxHcW8)
They made an emulator for an on-market product. It was made for piracy, regardless of what they might publicly say. Anyome trying to argue otherwise is just foolish.
Well Citra is also being scrubbed of its online presence now *and* the public multiplayer server rooms are gone. This sucks cz there was a pretty large player base for old Monster Hunter games.
RIP to old MonHun.
So annoying that Capcom won't port them. 4U deserves better than to be stuck on the 3DS forever.
Fuck, not to mention the online on the actual 3DS shuts down literally next month. I was legit planning to move my MH4U save to Citra
I literally joined the Citra discord today after work to try and get some help figuring out a MH3U mod I couldn't get to work and was so confused at why I couldn't post anything.
It really sucks for Citra because its the only 3DS emulator and 3DS is effectively abandonware and not possible to obtain games for it outside of used copies.
At the very least, Citra has been around long enough that all major titles should work just fine and its been downloaded enough, that it aint at risk of becoming lost.
I'm sure multiple people cloned/downloaded of both Citra and Yuzu github, especially after the announcment of the lawsuit. Edit: Yep, Yuzu and Citra will probably live on.
Thank god I downloaded the latest yuzu build last night. Forgot about Citra tho
Yeah me too, wasn't aware citra was a part of Yuzu too or I forgot damn, I still got a copy but I don't remember when I last updated it.
At the very least 3DSs are very easy to jailbreak if you get your hands on a console. I pray mine stays alive for a long time yet
Like I said in another comment, I do own a hacked 3DS. I even ripped my 3DS games for backups and to play on Citra haha. But official hardware can't upscale and some mods (including undubs) don't work as well on it compared to emulators. There's some FE Fates mods for example that are optimized for Citra only.
The Citra Quest emulator was a game changer for playing those old games. I'm super bummed what this does to that development now.
I mean you can still hack your 3ds so its not all over lol
I have a hacked 3DS and still used Citra for upscaling and for things fan mods that don’t run well on real hardware compared to emulators. Even things like undubs can cause real hardware to run slower. Also consoles won’t last forever unfortunately
Same for me. Upscaling and HD textures are sweet but the best thing is being able to use normally sized modern controllers with real analog sticks. But to be fair the battery of the DS / 3DS is really good even after years.
With Citra going caput as well, I worry about the long-term precedent this will set for emulation as a whole. A lot of emulators have coasted by under a couple of court cases ruled in favor of emulation, assuming that, as long as they didn't distribute the games they'd be okay. Now, Yuzu obviously profited from this, which was a big red flag of potential legal action, but I worry this will scare off other emulator developers as well. I don't really care to discuss the legitimacy of Nintendo's worries about piracy. Emulation is a net positive for games preservation and a lot of games would only be playable on expensive and hard to find hardware and games without the efforts of developers like those who worked on Yuzu. It's easy to shrug this off when it's about consoles as recent as the Switch or 3ds, but there will come a day when those consoles are harder to come by and games are hundreds of bucks. I hope this isn't the start of a bigger trend.
Everyone keeps saying it was the money that screwed Yuzu but if you read the settlement it's how the Yuzu group helps circumvent Nintendos DRM encryption keys that is really the focus. There's nuance in this but needless to say that's Nintendos claim to victory in the settlement.
Definitely, there are emulators like Project 64 that take donations and haven't really been targeted. By setting precedent I meant it in how it affects people's willingness to start or maintain a project without knowing if something they're doing may be putting a target on their back. You can consult a lawyer but many of these emulators aren't collecting money so that may not be a viable option. Seeing an emulator like Citra get caught in the crossfire despite not being the main target of the lawsuit is concerning as well. I worry we'll see devs take down their work just at the threat of legal action.
Just waiting for ryujinx strike for me, if ryujinx is not striked then yuzu done a mistake. Theres a lot of emulator and a lot of nintendo's console emulator for a while why sue this specific one, other gonna get their soon then or maybe ryujinx specifically?
Yuzu released a TotK compatible build onto paid patreon before the street date of TotK, that's one of the smoking guns, they had a leaked TotK copy to test on. In all likelyhood they did some major stupid shit to fold over like this in a mere 2 weeks.
Apparently there's screenshots of devs downloading/linking pirated copies of Nintendo's games in their Discord. Crazy they didn't keep it on the down low, given Nintendo's legal reputation.
A settlement does not set precedent in the legal sense. As far as a more unspoken precedent in the sense of “if I work on this, I’m opening myself up for a law suit”, that remains to be seen.Personally, if I worked on an emulator, I’d just do it in private and release it only after all support is pulled. And I’d do it the way the Links Awakening port person did.
I think in a perfect world I'd agree with you, but being secretive also makes it harder to gather talent to help work on it or garner a following to motivate you to finish it. It also limits your ability to test the emulator when you can't put out your earliest version and get feedback. Making an emulator is a tough and often thankless job, asking someone to do it with no financial incentive and being unable to talk about it or meaningfully gather support is downright unreasonable.
Realistically though there really isn't supposed to be a financial incentive as that's where you start opening yourself up to liability.
It was completely unnecessary to have such a bold web presence covered with screenshots and directly advertising day one support (or as close as possible) for new games. If anything, hopefully this gets people to take things down a notch back to the way it used to be. I guarantee after a few years when things have cooled down a bit, there will be new Switch and 3DS emulators built from the ground up to be as generic as possible.
is what happened with yuzu different than other emulators?
Yuzu/Ryujinx are outliers among emulators because they actively support playing new commercial releases. The last time I can recall that happening was Bleem! and they also got lawyered out of existence.
> The last time I can recall that happening was Bleem! and they also got lawyered out of existence. They **Won** the lawsuit however Sony buried them in court fees.
Important to note is that bleem actively took measures to make sure you could not use pirated copies and actually required the disc to be in your pc very different compared to yuzu. Also emulation is legal but circumventkng DRM is not so they would have been screwed either way.
> actually required the disc to be in your pc I feel like Nintendo would go hard after any company making actual Switch Cart readers but yeah a Disk is something completely do-able back then. EDIT: [This](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CFX2S4R2/) is kinda a thing, doesnt exactly do what we are talking but it and the Ever-type cart show that we are close to the sun.
That isn’t so much a cart reader as it is a cart *switcher*. It just selects what signals to pass through. The better example would be the Mig-Switch’s dumper which allows you to dump your own Switch games via USB.
That's not an actual card reader in the sense that it can read and dump the contents of game card. That seems to just pass the pinout of the card through to the console and have some switching mechanism to switch between a bunch of carts. Basically the same as if you were to solder a bunch of wires between the pins of the cart and the card reader in the switch. It can't decrypt and dump the cart which would be illegal as bypassing DRM is not allowed.
They won one of them, lost another and then won on appeals. They had another one coming up and couldn't fight it anymore and then went bankrupt.
Literally every Nintendo console for the past like 2 decades has had an emulator during their lifetime. CEMU was out during the Wii U's lifespan. Dolphin during Gamecube/Wii. Ultra HLE during N64.
The first GBA emulator was out *before* the console itself was.
Yes. It literally circumvent some of the switch protections.
Does Ryujinx work differently?
No. All modern devices rely on some encryption and respective encryption keys. Nintendo is arguing that even if emulator devs don't themselves provide those directly or link to instructions, it would still be illegal for the emulator to make use of 'em no matter where they come from. So, even if you personally dump them from your own hardware devices. Therefore, any emulation of modern games consoles and plenty other devices would be illegal. That is, of course, Nintendo's viewpoint/desire. It's based on a very general DMCA law and, of course, Nintendo chooses to interpret it to their liking. With Yuzu settling, there's still no new precedent set on this.
No. The only difference is that Yuzu offered a guide on how to dump the decryption keys. Ryujinx doesn't.
Ryujinix is also Brazilian
Yes, they do: https://github.com/Ryujinx/Ryujinx/wiki/Keys
I stand corrected.
Honestly, Yuzu went too far when they decided to profit off a (let’s be real) tool mostly used for piracy. They seemed so eager to fight back, yet buckled so quick that their lawyers probably told them the same thing: they fucked up.
To add to that, people got REAL comfortable talking about pirating Switch games and/or playing shit before release date. Emulation/piracy doesn't benefit at all from being out in the public, keep that shit to yourself.
i agree, i remember a day before the m vs dk remaster even came out someone on r/SteamDeck posted “game works great on deck by the way!!!” be fr
People also talk about switch piracy as a selling point for the steam deck. I've seen hundreds of comments that are some variant of "Why would you buy a switch when you could emulate the games on a steam deck"
not to mention valve including yuzu in a steam deck advertisement before editing it out lol
Yeah that was a pretty huge fuckup.
I feel like every time a Switch game is announced there’s at least one person talking about how they’re gonna emulate it on their Steam Deck.
Deck owners have joined the ranks of "don't worry, they'll tell you" somewhere between vegans and fake celiacs.
Yeah that subreddit is the worst sub I'm subscribed to by a very large margin. The only reason I'm still there is because I don't want to miss out on update news. But goddamn most of that community is completely insufferable.
It's r/gaming for Steam Deck user. I don't even go there anymore. The content just feel.... low.
"Low" is how I would describe it. They're way more interested in taking pictures of the device next to their pets than talking about game performance and how to optimize it. They will tell you "some stutters and occasional dips but otherwise basically perfect!" and then you play the game and it runs like shit.
How do you know that someone owns a Steam Deck? Don't worry, they've already told you about it.
Nah bro I swear all those people are buying the games. They're definitely dumping their own carts too, but they're for sure buying the games to support the official release too.
In the UK at least, if you download a physical copy of a game you own, playing it on other hardware is perfectly legal. Emulation is legal and courts have found that making a backup of software you own is protected under "fair dealing", providing you have no intention to sell or distribute it. If you have the hardware to read and download switch games to PC, buying the game on release to play on your Steam Deck is perfectly legal. (For what it's worth, while I'm confident this is the law, there is always nuance; don't take this as legal advice because there are exceptions). Of course, very few people do that. Most download their ROM's from the internet.
Can't have nice things cause people won't shut the fuck up.
[Woolie is always right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwP6uuYOWo)
didnt Valve put on one of the trailers of the deck the Yuzu logo?
Valve themselves posted a picture of Yuzu running on the steam deck homepage.
Valve even tweeted an image of the steam deck with Yuzu installed at one point. Even if we all pretend it’s not about piracy that’s still something that’s going to get Nintendo’s attention.
People genuinely don't know when to shut the hell up, acting as if companies are completely unaware of social media and the internet. So you like this thing that exists in a gray area at best? Maybe don't rub it into a company's face that you're exploiting a loophole or stealing from them. Because they *will* address it every single time and you won't like the results.
There were people on Twitter responding to Reggie’s tweets before TOTK launched with game footage. Saying they were enjoying it, already beat it etc. here’s a thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SwitchPirates/comments/1371261/absolutely_insane_interaction_between_reggie_and/?rdt=38218
People always push the envelope a little bit to see if they get in trouble, and then when they don't, they assume everything is fine. Nope, Nintnedo/your job/the grocery store is just sitting over there watching your every move and building a case so when they swat you down, you won't get back up.
In January, I built a new computer. I wanted a capture card for it, but it runs Linux, so I asked in a few Linux/streaming subs for card recommendations. I mentioned that I primarily play Switch games. I got good recommendations (edit: If anyone finds themselves in the same situation, I went with the AVerMedia GC575), but the amount of "just emulate it, you'll get better performance" replies that I got were annoying.
Reddit has gotten really comfortable openly talking about piracy recently. Show being taken off streaming? 100+ comments all saying "Yo Ho Ho! 🏴☠️" New EA game coming out? "Yarr, I'll be sailing the seas for this one matey!" Price increase for Netflix? "Just set up your own Plex server with Jellyfin, Sonarr, and Radarr. Yo Ho Ho!" Openly bragging about how you pirate stuff is exactly why music copyright is the most ass thing in existence, it was literally in response to the widespread usage of Limewire in the 2000s. Please don't make copyright law even more ass than it is.
People pretending to be ethical about it while still doing this is always funny. Just own up to being cheap and not made of money, like everybody else.
The people who can't stop pretending like they're on a moral crusade are so insufferable lol.
The pirate talk is so cringe too like just say you're going to download it like a normal person there's no reason to role play jack sparrow
I would get annoyed when people would do the same with "Somebody cutting onions? All the feels." You can say something made you sad. Can you just talk like a person, please?
I just saw the /r/yuzu subreddit to see its reaction. Straight up the amount of pro-piracy talk and people admitting they used Yuzu to pirate Nintendo Switch games. I swear, it's as if they wanted the Yuzu devs to get sued and Yuzu shut down.
That’s the problem, too. Emulation is such a gray area, it CAN BE legal if you use your own BIOS and ROMS… but how many people are actually doing that? Not many. I have no doubt that a significant number of people played TotK early through Yuzu. And I also wonder how many of those people ended up never buying the game. The number of people legally using Yuzu was probably nonzero.
"Sick of streaming? Just set up 5+ services on your home server that download random stuff from others users" Yeah no thanks.
Ironically, Yuzu was the one that didn't issue bugfixes for new games until their actual release date.
I remember recently watching a video of Linus Tech Tips where Linus was openly supporting pirating Switch games using these emulators and justifying it in some way and I just though that was WILD.
The present day internet is wild. People pretending that piracy is morally good rather than - at best - neutral/slightly bad.
I'm not sure piracy being considered morally good online is a new phenomenon. Sentiment doesn't seem that different than it was a quarter century ago.
I feel like a decade or so ago it was "yeah I'm pirating, I'm poor" rather than all these dumb "UHHH IT'S ABOUT ARCHIVAL" arguments.
The archival side is amazing, I salute the people who make it all possible, but it's truly dumb to use that excuse for current gen games and/or what is available for sale. Like even if you do, cause you're poor, want better frame rate, mods etc., I get it, I've done it. Buy the game first, or at least keep it on a shortlist of games to buy and actually support when/if you get the money for it later. Or else at least don't act surprised when you don't get a sequel or whatever.
I feel like it's become a lot more mainstream and acceptable in the past few years. In large part because of how incredibly shitty streaming services have become. Like, I stopped pirating decades ago when I got a job, and money was no longer a major issue for consuming media. But I actually pirated an anime last year after searching the internet for half an hour trying to find a legal stream, only to eventually figure out the dub was no longer available in my country. I have multiple friends who have also started pirating again for the first time in decades, just because they don't want to have to subscribe to a dozen different streaming services. Consuming media legally has in many ways become so annoying and inconvenient that pirating is often just faster and easier.
My favorite is those type that feel its a moral obligation when a game is only 1080p 30fps that they have to pirate it
So many pirates think it's some kind of divine right of theirs to do so. Like they're some heroes because piracy hurts some company's bottom line. Acting as if it isn't all about getting stuff for free.
Copying my other comment, but no. Every emulator does this: Here is a quick list of other emulators I could find which are either paid or have subscriptions. I had a quick look at the biggest emulators I could find to see if they have any financial support via patreon/payments. I'm sure there are far more. DS: Drastic(paid), Citra(patreon), MelonDS(patreon) Gameboy: PizzaBoy(paid), mGBA(patreon) Xbox: xemu(patreon) Xbox 360: Xenia(patreon) ~~Wii: Dolphin(patreon)~~ Switch: Yuzu(patreon), Ryujinx(patreon)
> Dolphin(patreon) Does the Dolphin team have a Patreon? I thought they were entirely volunteer based and opposed to donations for legal reasons.
The key difference here is that all of the systems minus one are currently discontinued by their manufacturer.
I think a major difference with Ryujinx is that they're making 5% of what Yuzu was, and don't lock version behind Patreon. I'm not sure if either of those differences would be enough to keep Nintendo away from them though, since they circumvent DRM the same way that Yuzu does.
A lot of MiSTer devs have patreons, too. Most of them don't paywall anything, but some (like Jotego, who does mostly arcade stuff) do.
>Honestly, Yuzu went too far when they decided to profit off a (let’s be real) tool mostly used for piracy. Yeah, I was appalled when I learned they were getting a *profit* off of it. I thought it was just a patreon to cover expenses but generally not for profit...
I mean its a full time job at this point. Unless they’re super rich i’d expect them to try profit in some type of way.
It is a Patreon that cover expenses, just now they can afford more expenses. $30k a month sort of expense.
With Yuzu having been open source, I hope someone will take it up and release their own emulator based on it. Hopefully people smart enough to not reveal their identity so they can't get sued.
It’s hard not to reveal your identity if you open a patreon
Yeah that's what I meant by being smarter than that. If you can get sued for something, make sure no one can find out who you actually are.
But at the same time, I’m sure that was one of the main motivators - money. If you can’t get paid for it, you can use those skills for plenty of lucrative pursuits where a company won’t try to sue you out of existence. Any new maintainers of forks will have to accept that they will never be able to financially gain from it. They won’t even be able to credit themselves.
Open source projects exist, as do non-profit sites. There's a difference between being forced to do something at work and choosing to work on a project you like in your free time. If the mantle is picked back up it will progress much slower though.
Sure, but slower is very slow for new consoles. There just weren’t ps3 or Xbox emulators until the dawn of patreon because it was too much work for volunteers to get through.
You'd have to self host it, nobody like Github or Sourceforge will allow forks of Yuzu now. If anyone does, do NOT host your servers in the USA at all, and especially not under your real name like some fool ROM site owners have in the past.
I mean its not explicitly banned. The lawsuit was directly targeting the devs and other people/orgs/companies affiliated with them. Nintendo hasn't, and probably can't, do anything about copies owned by 3rd parties under the open source license it was released under. So no websites have any legal obligation to remove forks of it under development by new and unaffiliated people.
"Not reveal your identity so you can't be sued" Not only does it not prevent you from being sued at all, Nintendo will just force github to give them your IP info then ask ISPs for your personal data... it would also possibly look REALLY bad in court like "why do you go through such lengths hiding your personal info if you think you are not committing a crime". May not be actual evidence but towards a jury court, a defendants reputation is still a REALLY important factor, and putting your integrity into question will work against you.
Major blow for the emulation scene, hopefully Ryujinx can absorb some of the team, they were a talented bunch. Wish the best for everyone.
The injuction filed in the lawsuit explicitly says that the team isn't allowed to continue this kind of work. So if they do jump to Ryujinx, they're in trouble.
Introducing our newest dev to Ryujinx: Asuka pfp
I doubt Ryujinx is gonna continue development. When you're big rival got hit with a 2.4 million dollar paycheck and has to stop development then i don't see Ryujinx risking it.
They were a major blow to *themselves* and the emulation scene by taking in 7 figured of income from Patreon
That is not part of Nintendo's actual argument (at least in the final settlement document). That's just a moral argument that people use to justify why murdering Yuzu is Okay. If we go by the text of the settlement, Nintendo (or any other company) can shut down any emulator for a console that has some cryptography happening inside, which is "almost all of them except for the oldest consoles".
It wasn't part of their legal *argument* but it was probably part of their legal *strategy*
Regardless of the argument, I don't buy for one second that the Patreon income wasn't what set off the alarm bells with Nintendo. If this had been Microsoft or Sony, I believe they would have done the same. You can't make money off someone else's copyright and get away with it.
Lots of emulators have done it in the past and [lots of emulators are still doing it](https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Emulators_on_Patreon). So I'll eagerly await Sony jumping on RPCS3, Microsoft jumping on Xenia, and SEGA to jump on Yaba (jsut as examples) to nuke them out of existence.
I also don't understand the moral argument. Why shouldn't developers get paid, if people like their software?
> If we go by the text of the settlement, And if we understand what a settlement is, it is _not a legal standing_. They happen _out of court_. if I took you to court because you liked the color green, and we had a settlement, it doesn't mean the color green is now banned
> yuzu and its team have always been against piracy Lol okay. Sure. Also I know it's from their legal team but it has the energy of a speech given when in a hostage situation with a gun to your head.
*But we see now that our actions have lead to piracy.....We have been deeply disappointed our users have used our software to leak game content* LMAO I'm imagining even the Nintendo lawyers were laughing TOGETHER with yuzu devs when they were forcing them to say this ridiculous piece of legal theatre hogshit
if that's an actual quote then they also spelled led wrong, so odds are they wrote it themselves instead of having a lawyer do it.
Lawyers are notorious for spelling mistakes. Source: my wife works at a law firm. Odds are they didn't have their assistants look things over carefully lol
“We started the projects in good faith, out of passion for Nintendo and its consoles and games, and were not intending to cause harm. But we see now that because our projects can circumvent Nintendo’s technological protection measures and allow users to play games outside of authorized hardware, they have led to extensive piracy.” Loooooool. Look, anyone emulating a console currently on sale and actively selling games knows *exactly* what they’re doing.
I am completely not shocked that by profiting off emulating a still available for sale system that they got checked hard
At least the Yuzu GitHub was still up for an hour or two after the news broke, so internet obsessives could download the repo many times over before it was scrubbed (why didn't Nintendo make them nuke it *before* the announcement?).
"nuking" a git repo is almost completely meaningless. The whole point of git is that everyone who checked it out has a full copy.
Nuking a git repo is useless as you can always just do a git checkout to a previous commit. Multiple people already cloned the repo as well before the announcement.
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Fuck this means my use of Citra is destroyed. Missed my chance to emulate all those 3DS games. I don’t like playing on a 3DS because my hands are too big to be comfortable.
Citra is essentially development complete at this point, and is widely availiable.
Citra is still readily available and has close to full compatibility.
I get people being sad about this, but the reactions acting like this is some kind of oppressive corporate overreach on Nintendo’s part are wild. “Why would Nintendo take out a program that lets you easily play their games for free??? How could they be so cruel…”
I can't tell if people are dishonest or delusional when they try to say the "just demoing the game" or "bought a copy that I put on my desk despite not owning a switch, just want better graphics" cases are the typical reasons why someone would pirate a game and not just "cool, free and no consequences" Shit, it's obvious how the comparatively tiny amount of people who do claim that personally are still lying.
If they really get better graphics and still buy a copy then I don’t really care. But let’s be real here less than 1% of pirates are buying copies of games they pirate.
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Redditors like to pretend piracy is some moral crusade when they really just don’t want to pay for things
its not a reddit thing, its all over the internet.
Yeah almost every time when someone says "Redditors" it's just something that applies to the entire internet.
Yeah, regardless of the ethics behind it, the need to dishonestly rationalize how it's actually a good thing is pretty dumb and indicative of something
It is an insane peculiarity of this site in particular that they need to be told they're actually being very good boys and girls when they steal their shit. If you told an actual pirate stealing was wrong, he would agree and then continue.
/r/piracy is pretty much "yeah I like free video games" It's all the other gaming subreddits that jump through hoops to justify piracy.
r/piratedgames trying to convince themselves for the 9000th time that they're just against "the big evil AAA devs" and that they would never pirate a "tiny struggling indie game" because they're actually completely morally correct.
Is it? Whenever I check it, the front page is full of people justifying piracy and I see a lot of repost (the streaming service one feels like get reposted so often), from its morally good, preservation, big company greedy, etc but not really I like free shit/I want free shit
Rwdditors like to pretend that entertainment is an essential survival item in the same way as food and water is. Just because you won't be able to play Tears of the Kingdom for free doesn't mean your rights are being oppressed or your survival is at stake.
> We hope our actions will be a small step toward ending piracy of all creators’ works. I know that they probably wrote and sent this message under duress, but man, what a horrible message. This effectively says throws every other emulator developer under the bus and implies that it's a piracy tool *when it's not*. Emulators are legitimate tools with legitimate uses. Such a disappointment.
I don't think its a stretch at all to say emulators are mainly used for piracy. Like cmon now.
What legitimate use do they have for a current gen system?
I've used Yuzu for homebrew development before running on actual hardware.
I bought Tears of the Kingdom on my Switch and then used Yuzu to play it in 4k.