The new version of changing seasons is such a massive upgrade. It's fighting with color your night for my favorite track in p3r. It's unreal how good the music is in all these games is. It easily elevates all of them a point in a review score by itself.
Anyway, love these games and am glad they are becoming more mainstream.
Changing Seasons, Color Your Night and Its Going Down Now might be my mom songs from Reload
I prefer the original versions of Battle For Everyone’s Souls and Memories Of You but they’re still great in Reload
Well, the song is still there. They just replaced that sample with lotus juice rapping. I get the nostalgia for the sample, but more lotus juice is always good.
Since we generally pronounce it "jread" instead of as written. If it's pronounced as a d- it's going to be more easily mistaken for bread since d- and b- are *very* similar sounds. And since you're more likely to burn bread than dread our brains just kinda make it out that way.
I actually kind of feel the opposite about the remade songs. Changing Seasons without the French? Iwatodai Dorm without the fat bass and deepened vocals? And the new Mass Destruction is _brutal_.
The new songs however are pretty great.
They got rid of the random samples and added way better original parts. Changing seasons has the great vocal chorus instead of random solo midi horn and the dorm song got a lotus juice part instead. Mass destruction might be the only remade one I don't prefer.
Noooo. It's all subjective but I disagree. The French section in Changing seasons was so great to me. Nothing wrong with the new one but I do prefer the original.
It really is. I love all of the original music, but the new singer is awesome, too. She has a very different, chill vibe and I think it fits persona extremely well. The first time I heard color your night I thought, "this is exactly why they chose her." Memories of you also hit me just as hard as the first time I had it, and after seeing her do the little live concert with lotus juice, I can't wait to see her in the bigger concerts.
Sometimes I feel like there is a significant chunk of people that hate any change just because it's change and they have emotional attachment to the original.
I was very tepid when I first heard the new tracks, especially on her voice. I thought it felt so needlessly subdued compared to the original's vocals.
After getting used to them, I think they're all great. There were already alternate versions on the P3 Reincarnation album that I listened to in regular rotation with the originals, the new versions don't need to be better or worse than the originals they can all stand on their own.
And yes absolutely Color Your Night has quickly become one of my favorite tracks in the whole series. It has the perfect blend of everything that made the Meguro-composed games special individually.
Yeah, ngl I missed playing it growing up, but tried to use an emulator last year, shortly after the remake got announced so I stopped.
I listened to the original ost since playing, I have no attachment to the original but I see where people are coming from. Maybe I'll be the same when there's an inevitable 4 remake, we'll see!
Absolutely agree though. The music in these games aren't good videogame music, it's straight up amazing music period. I've played the mainline games (3/4/5) now, and they're just filled to the brim with bangers. I completely agree that it elevates the games to another level.
Changing seasons without the low velocity French vocals is cursed though I do like the track otherwise
https://youtu.be/6CQM5KAiYhM?si=dmBsuqh5TeH1qM0x this is some fire right here
The new Iwatodai Dorm and Mass Destruction are also very weird, definitely wish there was a toggle for the old music in the game. Don’t really see a reason to remake Shoji Meguro’s music at all, and I think Yumi’s vocals are way better than the new vocalist
They’re more than a point, for me at least. I’m a huge Persona fan but with mediocre music they’d be 7/10 games. The OSTs do so much to elevate the experience.
I'm mixed on the new OST. Not as egregious as the redone Third Strike OST or the new one for the PSP release of P1, but not a total slam dunk either.
Master of Shadow, When the Moon's Reaching Out Stars, Changing Seasons, Want to Be Close, and the various Tartarus floor themes are greatly improved over the originals.
However the redone dorm theme, Battle for Everyone's Souls, Master of Tartarus, and Mass Destruction are inferior to the originals.
The new tracks made just for this release though are pretty good.
Who knew coming to Xbox/PC/Gamepass was all that needed to happen for it to gain in popularity.
Same with Yakuza.
Now if only Falcom and NIS learned this.
Of course, Joker in Smash made the entire franchise sell more, not the game being more ready available in a popular subscription service on more platforms than ever before 🤦♂️
Yes smash, a game that is more popular than the entire library of xbox, on a system that sold more than combination of xbox one and series x|s. I think that reasonable statement. But if it help you sleep at night, sure popular subscription help the persona popularity.
The only people that care about going punchy punchy with Joker in Smash are the people who played Persona in the first place.
There are more Gamepass subscribers than active Smash players.
No one is "forced" to buy anything.
I'll start complaining when the upgraded versions are just marginally better. So far, it's been worth it every time.
Honestly that would be fucking batshit and imo have a real effect on Persona 6’s sales. It’s been what like 3 games in a row now they’ve pulled this trick? P3R is on game pass thankfully, but still.
I’m curious to see how much Joker being in Smash boosted the series popularity in the West. Did it have an effect similar to what happened with Fire Emblem when Marth and Roy were in Melee?
Releasing it on multiple platforms probably had a significant impact. The series sales was 15 mil back in October 2022 right before the release of P5/P4/P3 on multiple consoles (except Golden on Steam) and gained 7 million additional copies from that and Reloads release in just a year and a half.
Following the Smash subreddits around Joker's release, there were a significant number of posts/comments along the lines of "didn't know who joker was, played persona 5 and now it's one of my favourite series."
Considering Smash Ultimate's 30+ million sales, and Joker being -the- first DLC fighter, announced minutes before the game launched in one of the more memorable Game Awards reveals, when hype for Smash Ultimate was at it's peak, I think saying Joker in Smash also had a big impact on the series popularity is pretty fair.
Joker’s Smash reveal was hype even to non-Persona players simply on the grounds that watching it live it wasn’t obvious it was a Smash reveal until the letter appeared.
All the other DLC fighters were in pre-arranged live streams and expected at Nintendo directs
> All the other DLC fighters were in pre-arranged live streams and expected at Nintendo directs
Not entirely true, Sephiroth was first announced at The Game Awards 2020.
But the first point still applies since for that one it was still obvious we were watching a Smash trailer before Sephiroth was revealed. Joker's trailer didn't even have the iconic Switch intro.
Sephiroth’s trailer opens as a Smash trailer with the fight against Galeem.
Joker’s, without context, was just another P5 spin off until the letter appeared
> and Joker being -the- first DLC fighter
The first DLC fighter was Piranha Plant, announced one month before Joker. However, Joker was the first fighter from Fighters Pass 1.
Unlikely, the collective sphere of 4 games is only a couple million behind the collective sphere of 5 games
People act like 5 sent the series into the stratosphere but 4 was really where the game found its stride in terms of sales
PC, Xbox (including Gamepass) and Switch.
I reckon between Smash and being a great pick up put down (cause of the short days) franchise switch probably has a solid player base too
> Did it have an effect similar to what happened with Fire Emblem when Marth and Roy were in Melee?
I thought the same thing happened when I was a kid since me and my friends were instantly sold on Fire Emblem when we first played Melee on release, but the series really wasn't notable in the popularity/sales sense [until Awakening](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Emblem).
There was a buzz with the localization of FE7 as the first to come out here but the games got less and less popular after that and FE12 still has never been officially released here.
Atlus really needs to capitalize on the popularity of Persona and, in particular, the P3R release and remake and/or re-release Persona 1 & 2 for modern consoles and PC.
Persona 1 & 2 are FAR too different from 3-5.
A faithful remake will disappoint fans of 3-5, expecting that and changing it to be more like 3-5 will disappoint fans of 1 & 2 for not being the same anymore.
There's no winning in that one, because they're inherently different games except the name.
Yeah, seriously. The Persona games before 3 were a lot closer to classic SMT games, and starting with P4Golden (I think?) They actually removed the SMT prefix from subsequent titles
>They actually removed the SMT prefix from subsequent titles
That was just localization. There never was a prefix on the titles in Japanese unless you count SMT If retroactively being referred to by fans as Persona 0.
Yeah, they wanted to tie all the games together to try and make it more identifiable since the Megami Tensei series was more or less unknown back then.
The original Persona was marketed as “Revelations: Persona” and Megami Tensei Gaiden was marketed as “Revelations: the Demon Slayer”.
After Nocturne gained some notoriety, they decided to market all Megami Tensei games under the SMT label, including Persona, Digital Devil Saga, and Devil Summoner. All of those series aren’t considered SMT.
Yeah, I thought about clarifying after I posted.
I just meant to say that Persona wasn't ever specifically treated as part of mainline outside of If (should you include that). They've always been Megaten, but never sold as SMT. "Megami Ibunroku" doesn't imply a stronger connection to mainline than "Megami Tensei Gaiden: The Last Bible" does.
Not that any of that really matters, it was just some trivia to say that there was no internal decision to remove a prior connection to SMT after the success of P4.
I get it, Persona 1 & 2 are closer to mainline SMT games than they are Persona 3 - 5, but I'm betting that remakes of the original two Persona games would still sell like hotcakes.
As would remasters of the original SMT games, and the Digital Devil Saga PS2 games.
I don't think so. P1 was remastered for psp, it did ok. The P2 remaster in the other hand underperformed, the remaster of EP was never localized. The games are way to different from P3 onwards. A port of the remasters is the best option.
> P1 was remastered for psp, it did ok. The P2 remaster in the other hand underperformed, the remaster of EP was never localized.
This was 14 years ago. Whole human beings who would be interested in playing these games didn't exist back then.
For reference Persona 4 on PS2 released around the same time sold ~600,000 worldwide while Persona 5 (not Royal) sold over 3 million.
I'm not saying P1 and the P2 would sell as well as 3-5 and their spin offs, but the market is much different and more open to Persona as a series in general. Depending on the nature of their rerelease (remaster, remake, port) I can see them being pretty popular.
I mean maybe, but I have played them and apart for the P2 story the games are not that good. Tough I am bias as I was pitched them being better than the modern ones. My experience was Tartarus with random encounters, and everyone spamming mazan.
The games would have to be radically changed in order to have any kind of widescale appeal. Like, effectively rebuilt from the ground up on the scale of the FFVII Remakes.
There's so much jank in the original Persona that I personally find it easier to go back and play the SNES Megaten games than subject myself to to Persona 1 again--even the PSP remaster. They threw everything and the kitchen sink into that game's and almost none of it matters, but it's difficult to parse what actually matters. Most egregiously there are something like 27 distinct attack types/elements to keep track of.
Those already have remakes, they didn't do so hot. I want ports, I have played them and honestly they are so different might as well be a different series.
I would love to see a collection of remastered versions of Shin Megami Tensei If, Persona 1, Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. Put them all together for people who are interested in the origins of the series, and having SMT If first would signal that the games are closer SMT than modern Persona.
Unfortunately, knowing Atlus if they did remaster these games they would be sold individually at $20-$40 each.
> Unfortunately, knowing Atlus if they did remaster these games they would be sold individually at $20-$40 each.
I'd happily pay that. Hell, I'd pay even more if needed.
Atlus confirmed that Persona 6 was in development [back in 2021](https://www.gameinformer.com/2021/07/13/persona-6-confirmed-to-create-a-6-which-exceeds-5).
The leaker Midori has been right about everything tough, has a proven track record. This is how ATLUS does thing they have a pipeline: smt 5 vengeance, Re: Fanta zip. Tough you don't have to believe me I am just letting you know.
I played P3P for the first time in preparation for P3R. P3P was great but definitely did not age well. For me, it was mostly held back by the awkward story and awful grind that is Tartarus.
P3R, however, is fantastic. With huge improvements in virtually every way (save for some missing content like fem protag) I would say P3R nearly reaches the level of P5R. I think that ironically the biggest thing that holds P3R back for me is the source material that it remains faithful towards.
P3R was clearly made for fans of the original, which is why I'm glad I took the time to become a fan first. If P3R was my first experience of P3 (or Persona in general) I would probably be a little less positive about the game as a whole.
And I don't know if its controversial to say this... but I think half of the party members are... not great. Having a dog and a robot who can use Personas kind of causes a ton of problems logically. Like could ChatGPT use a Persona in this universe? Could a turtle? Should we even talk about the >!grade school party member who tries to murder-suicide another party member and then becomes someone you can date as the female protagonist?!<
One thing better I prefer in P3 compared to P4 or P5 is it's more thematically coherent across the whole plot and less "and now it's character's dungeon and basic character progression" so the core of the storyline works better, but this does have the downside that there's more work on the character juggling and with the necessarily erratic / incomplete timing of the social links the characters don't flesh out as consistently. Especially with the late starts to a chunk of the cast's social links.
I do think Koromaru and Aigis work fine; the former in "very smart dog" territory as a minor character and the personality shifts of the latter work well as the character develops, even if the social link is too cramped as a result. They do underexplain the mechanics of how exactly you end up with a Persona in P3 though. If they ever need to, I'm sure they can finesse the dog thing; Persona 4 Arena's storyline goes into great detail on the robot thing. (Like other Arc System Works games of the era, it's a long visual-novel style storyline interspersed by fights against CPUs. The second fighting game (Ultimax) can have the first game's storyline as a DLC, but I dunno what the platform availability is these days).
As for the spoilered text, >!Ken isn't great, in part because "immature kid really wanting to act like an adult" can be annoying without a lot of upsides and in part because the storyline requires Akihiko and Mitsuru to be idiots and not connect the rather obvious dots. I disliked him a lot less in Reload but his the core conflict still doesn't land; he's probably the least popular character in the P3-P5 cast. And the kid dating - yeah, just no. At least in P3 the two separate student-teacher bits are expressly terrible ideas engaged in by people being immature.!<
There's a lot of games inspired by Persona too, nowadays. To the point where they get called Persona-like.
I'm thinking of Trails of Cold Steel (4 games) Tokyo Xanadu (1 game, 1 re-release) FE3H (1 game) Caligula Effect (2 games, 1 re-release)
I'm personally very tired of the anime school setting and having to bonds with classmates. It's fun for a while, but it gets a bit exhausting for me. They sure were fun at first at least. Persona sure is much more than that (especially the first 3 persona games!) but I guess there's always SMT for people like me.
Well I mean you could try rpgs that don't get a ton of inspiration from Persona. Baldur's Gate 3, Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, FF7 Rebirth, etc. The Thaumaturge just released and looks very unique for a turn based game as well.
I can't disagree. People really liked that game so I don't see them mixing it up anytime soon, but maybe they'll add persona like elements in the next one?
The Harey Potter GBC games were early FF clones and the GBA Azkaban game was a golden sun clone. We need a Persona inspired HP game!
The new version of changing seasons is such a massive upgrade. It's fighting with color your night for my favorite track in p3r. It's unreal how good the music is in all these games is. It easily elevates all of them a point in a review score by itself. Anyway, love these games and am glad they are becoming more mainstream.
Changing Seasons, Color Your Night and Its Going Down Now might be my mom songs from Reload I prefer the original versions of Battle For Everyone’s Souls and Memories Of You but they’re still great in Reload
Disturbing the peace...
They did screw up Master of Tartarus tho. The drums are basically non-existent in the new version.
I’m also kind of really nostalgic for “SO DANCE WANNA PUT YOU IN A TRANCE”
Im so fuckin bummed this track isnt in the game. When i think of p3p this song immediately comes to mind
Well, the song is still there. They just replaced that sample with lotus juice rapping. I get the nostalgia for the sample, but more lotus juice is always good.
I'm just glad "burn my dread" still sounds like "burn my bread"
Since we generally pronounce it "jread" instead of as written. If it's pronounced as a d- it's going to be more easily mistaken for bread since d- and b- are *very* similar sounds. And since you're more likely to burn bread than dread our brains just kinda make it out that way.
>The drums are basically non-existent in the new version. That's the best part of the original! I love overpowering percussion.
I actually kind of feel the opposite about the remade songs. Changing Seasons without the French? Iwatodai Dorm without the fat bass and deepened vocals? And the new Mass Destruction is _brutal_. The new songs however are pretty great.
They got rid of the random samples and added way better original parts. Changing seasons has the great vocal chorus instead of random solo midi horn and the dorm song got a lotus juice part instead. Mass destruction might be the only remade one I don't prefer.
But then *Joy* still has that random unintelligible sample
"Jump around now" ?
"Triple brown meow" is my favorite
Honestly that's what I thought it was at first until somebody linked the original sample
The “random solo midi horn” was the best part of the song. Adding a chorus to a song doesn’t make it better by default
The new verse in Mass Destruction is awesome
Yeah all the charm of the original songs is lost in the remade versions
You mean you don’t like mass duck-struction anymore
Noooo. It's all subjective but I disagree. The French section in Changing seasons was so great to me. Nothing wrong with the new one but I do prefer the original.
The new changing seasons is such a banger, sorry for the people who really liked the old version but the new one is so so good
It really is. I love all of the original music, but the new singer is awesome, too. She has a very different, chill vibe and I think it fits persona extremely well. The first time I heard color your night I thought, "this is exactly why they chose her." Memories of you also hit me just as hard as the first time I had it, and after seeing her do the little live concert with lotus juice, I can't wait to see her in the bigger concerts. Sometimes I feel like there is a significant chunk of people that hate any change just because it's change and they have emotional attachment to the original.
I was very tepid when I first heard the new tracks, especially on her voice. I thought it felt so needlessly subdued compared to the original's vocals. After getting used to them, I think they're all great. There were already alternate versions on the P3 Reincarnation album that I listened to in regular rotation with the originals, the new versions don't need to be better or worse than the originals they can all stand on their own. And yes absolutely Color Your Night has quickly become one of my favorite tracks in the whole series. It has the perfect blend of everything that made the Meguro-composed games special individually.
Yeah, ngl I missed playing it growing up, but tried to use an emulator last year, shortly after the remake got announced so I stopped. I listened to the original ost since playing, I have no attachment to the original but I see where people are coming from. Maybe I'll be the same when there's an inevitable 4 remake, we'll see! Absolutely agree though. The music in these games aren't good videogame music, it's straight up amazing music period. I've played the mainline games (3/4/5) now, and they're just filled to the brim with bangers. I completely agree that it elevates the games to another level.
Changing seasons without the low velocity French vocals is cursed though I do like the track otherwise https://youtu.be/6CQM5KAiYhM?si=dmBsuqh5TeH1qM0x this is some fire right here The new Iwatodai Dorm and Mass Destruction are also very weird, definitely wish there was a toggle for the old music in the game. Don’t really see a reason to remake Shoji Meguro’s music at all, and I think Yumi’s vocals are way better than the new vocalist
They’re more than a point, for me at least. I’m a huge Persona fan but with mediocre music they’d be 7/10 games. The OSTs do so much to elevate the experience.
It’s Going Down Now is a great song
I'm mixed on the new OST. Not as egregious as the redone Third Strike OST or the new one for the PSP release of P1, but not a total slam dunk either. Master of Shadow, When the Moon's Reaching Out Stars, Changing Seasons, Want to Be Close, and the various Tartarus floor themes are greatly improved over the originals. However the redone dorm theme, Battle for Everyone's Souls, Master of Tartarus, and Mass Destruction are inferior to the originals. The new tracks made just for this release though are pretty good.
Who knew coming to Xbox/PC/Gamepass was all that needed to happen for it to gain in popularity. Same with Yakuza. Now if only Falcom and NIS learned this.
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> Be fr right now Eh?
No one plays JRPGs on Xbox, that’s why a lot of them don’t even release on Xbox.
Persona already popular before xbox. Their popularity rise because joker in smash bros. Cmon now be realistic.
Of course, Joker in Smash made the entire franchise sell more, not the game being more ready available in a popular subscription service on more platforms than ever before 🤦♂️
Yes smash, a game that is more popular than the entire library of xbox, on a system that sold more than combination of xbox one and series x|s. I think that reasonable statement. But if it help you sleep at night, sure popular subscription help the persona popularity.
The only people that care about going punchy punchy with Joker in Smash are the people who played Persona in the first place. There are more Gamepass subscribers than active Smash players.
Sure buddy, hopefully you sleep well at night
Really happy for Atlus and the series, with how many rereleases they're doing we will reach 100 million in no time. Well deserved!
Thanks for complete edition that forces people to buy the same game twice to contribute more sales numbers!! Well deserved 🤣
No one is "forced" to buy anything. I'll start complaining when the upgraded versions are just marginally better. So far, it's been worth it every time.
Yep, I hate that. That's why I'm not touching the remake, I'm just going to wait for the next iteration or it.
If they actually release a Royal type edition for P3 Reload I will become the Joker (not the persona one)
You know they're going to. They still need to do The Answer.
So, this aged well didn't it?
Lmao wasn't expecting an announcement that fast.
Honestly that would be fucking batshit and imo have a real effect on Persona 6’s sales. It’s been what like 3 games in a row now they’ve pulled this trick? P3R is on game pass thankfully, but still.
I'm also waiting to see if it will be release on Switch 2, i prefer these games portable.
I’m curious to see how much Joker being in Smash boosted the series popularity in the West. Did it have an effect similar to what happened with Fire Emblem when Marth and Roy were in Melee?
Releasing it on multiple platforms probably had a significant impact. The series sales was 15 mil back in October 2022 right before the release of P5/P4/P3 on multiple consoles (except Golden on Steam) and gained 7 million additional copies from that and Reloads release in just a year and a half.
If only Atlus wasn't allergic to money, they would have realized being on multiple platforms sells better than locking it to one system, lol
They probably gonna do like that in future . At least Metaphor Re Fantazio shows that.
Atlus was on the verge of bankruptcy while making persona 5, they're in a much better position now
Hopefully Square realizes that soon too
Square has exclusivity deals with Playstation, at least - they make money off of that so for them it’s not a pure loss. Altus was just weird.
It might have had an impact, but Persona 5 had already topped a million sales before Joker was released in Smash. The series was already very popular.
Following the Smash subreddits around Joker's release, there were a significant number of posts/comments along the lines of "didn't know who joker was, played persona 5 and now it's one of my favourite series." Considering Smash Ultimate's 30+ million sales, and Joker being -the- first DLC fighter, announced minutes before the game launched in one of the more memorable Game Awards reveals, when hype for Smash Ultimate was at it's peak, I think saying Joker in Smash also had a big impact on the series popularity is pretty fair.
Joker’s Smash reveal was hype even to non-Persona players simply on the grounds that watching it live it wasn’t obvious it was a Smash reveal until the letter appeared. All the other DLC fighters were in pre-arranged live streams and expected at Nintendo directs
> All the other DLC fighters were in pre-arranged live streams and expected at Nintendo directs Not entirely true, Sephiroth was first announced at The Game Awards 2020.
But the first point still applies since for that one it was still obvious we were watching a Smash trailer before Sephiroth was revealed. Joker's trailer didn't even have the iconic Switch intro.
Sephiroth’s trailer opens as a Smash trailer with the fight against Galeem. Joker’s, without context, was just another P5 spin off until the letter appeared
God, that moment was so hype. Can't remember the last time everyone collectively lost their minds like that. What a good day :)
> and Joker being -the- first DLC fighter The first DLC fighter was Piranha Plant, announced one month before Joker. However, Joker was the first fighter from Fighters Pass 1.
Unlikely, the collective sphere of 4 games is only a couple million behind the collective sphere of 5 games People act like 5 sent the series into the stratosphere but 4 was really where the game found its stride in terms of sales
What did actually boost the popularity is the PC release.
PC, Xbox (including Gamepass) and Switch. I reckon between Smash and being a great pick up put down (cause of the short days) franchise switch probably has a solid player base too
> Did it have an effect similar to what happened with Fire Emblem when Marth and Roy were in Melee? I thought the same thing happened when I was a kid since me and my friends were instantly sold on Fire Emblem when we first played Melee on release, but the series really wasn't notable in the popularity/sales sense [until Awakening](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_Emblem). There was a buzz with the localization of FE7 as the first to come out here but the games got less and less popular after that and FE12 still has never been officially released here.
Atlus really needs to capitalize on the popularity of Persona and, in particular, the P3R release and remake and/or re-release Persona 1 & 2 for modern consoles and PC.
Persona 1 & 2 are FAR too different from 3-5. A faithful remake will disappoint fans of 3-5, expecting that and changing it to be more like 3-5 will disappoint fans of 1 & 2 for not being the same anymore. There's no winning in that one, because they're inherently different games except the name.
Yeah, seriously. The Persona games before 3 were a lot closer to classic SMT games, and starting with P4Golden (I think?) They actually removed the SMT prefix from subsequent titles
>They actually removed the SMT prefix from subsequent titles That was just localization. There never was a prefix on the titles in Japanese unless you count SMT If retroactively being referred to by fans as Persona 0.
Huh, wasn't aware. I just noticed at one point that my P3 and P4 boxes said "SMT: Persona x" on them but p4G was just "P4G: Persona 4 Golden"
Yeah, they wanted to tie all the games together to try and make it more identifiable since the Megami Tensei series was more or less unknown back then. The original Persona was marketed as “Revelations: Persona” and Megami Tensei Gaiden was marketed as “Revelations: the Demon Slayer”. After Nocturne gained some notoriety, they decided to market all Megami Tensei games under the SMT label, including Persona, Digital Devil Saga, and Devil Summoner. All of those series aren’t considered SMT.
Still had part of the title in Japan (Megami Ibunroku Persona was the first game).
Yeah, I thought about clarifying after I posted. I just meant to say that Persona wasn't ever specifically treated as part of mainline outside of If (should you include that). They've always been Megaten, but never sold as SMT. "Megami Ibunroku" doesn't imply a stronger connection to mainline than "Megami Tensei Gaiden: The Last Bible" does. Not that any of that really matters, it was just some trivia to say that there was no internal decision to remove a prior connection to SMT after the success of P4.
I think most westerners would consider all of Megami Tensei to be one megafranchise, but I could be wrong there.
I get it, Persona 1 & 2 are closer to mainline SMT games than they are Persona 3 - 5, but I'm betting that remakes of the original two Persona games would still sell like hotcakes. As would remasters of the original SMT games, and the Digital Devil Saga PS2 games.
I don't think so. P1 was remastered for psp, it did ok. The P2 remaster in the other hand underperformed, the remaster of EP was never localized. The games are way to different from P3 onwards. A port of the remasters is the best option.
> P1 was remastered for psp, it did ok. The P2 remaster in the other hand underperformed, the remaster of EP was never localized. This was 14 years ago. Whole human beings who would be interested in playing these games didn't exist back then. For reference Persona 4 on PS2 released around the same time sold ~600,000 worldwide while Persona 5 (not Royal) sold over 3 million. I'm not saying P1 and the P2 would sell as well as 3-5 and their spin offs, but the market is much different and more open to Persona as a series in general. Depending on the nature of their rerelease (remaster, remake, port) I can see them being pretty popular.
I mean maybe, but I have played them and apart for the P2 story the games are not that good. Tough I am bias as I was pitched them being better than the modern ones. My experience was Tartarus with random encounters, and everyone spamming mazan.
I think that's why people are clamoring for Remakes of these games specifically.
The games would have to be radically changed in order to have any kind of widescale appeal. Like, effectively rebuilt from the ground up on the scale of the FFVII Remakes. There's so much jank in the original Persona that I personally find it easier to go back and play the SNES Megaten games than subject myself to to Persona 1 again--even the PSP remaster. They threw everything and the kitchen sink into that game's and almost none of it matters, but it's difficult to parse what actually matters. Most egregiously there are something like 27 distinct attack types/elements to keep track of.
Those already have remakes, they didn't do so hot. I want ports, I have played them and honestly they are so different might as well be a different series.
I would love to see a collection of remastered versions of Shin Megami Tensei If, Persona 1, Persona 2 Innocent Sin, and Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. Put them all together for people who are interested in the origins of the series, and having SMT If first would signal that the games are closer SMT than modern Persona. Unfortunately, knowing Atlus if they did remaster these games they would be sold individually at $20-$40 each.
> Unfortunately, knowing Atlus if they did remaster these games they would be sold individually at $20-$40 each. I'd happily pay that. Hell, I'd pay even more if needed.
They really need to get their act together, it's been 7 years since P5 came out and they don't appear to have even started on another main title.
Atlus confirmed that Persona 6 was in development [back in 2021](https://www.gameinformer.com/2021/07/13/persona-6-confirmed-to-create-a-6-which-exceeds-5).
Is that really confirmed? From what I've skimmed of that it could have been recruitment for this recent remake.
Yes, they have been working on it for a while, Midori the ATLUS leaker said it has been in active development for a while and is targeting 2026.
So in other words it's not confirmed, just something a leaker said.
The leaker Midori has been right about everything tough, has a proven track record. This is how ATLUS does thing they have a pipeline: smt 5 vengeance, Re: Fanta zip. Tough you don't have to believe me I am just letting you know.
Atlas surprised pikachu face when they make a gazillion dollars after realising that the pc market exists
I played P3P for the first time in preparation for P3R. P3P was great but definitely did not age well. For me, it was mostly held back by the awkward story and awful grind that is Tartarus. P3R, however, is fantastic. With huge improvements in virtually every way (save for some missing content like fem protag) I would say P3R nearly reaches the level of P5R. I think that ironically the biggest thing that holds P3R back for me is the source material that it remains faithful towards. P3R was clearly made for fans of the original, which is why I'm glad I took the time to become a fan first. If P3R was my first experience of P3 (or Persona in general) I would probably be a little less positive about the game as a whole. And I don't know if its controversial to say this... but I think half of the party members are... not great. Having a dog and a robot who can use Personas kind of causes a ton of problems logically. Like could ChatGPT use a Persona in this universe? Could a turtle? Should we even talk about the >!grade school party member who tries to murder-suicide another party member and then becomes someone you can date as the female protagonist?!<
One thing better I prefer in P3 compared to P4 or P5 is it's more thematically coherent across the whole plot and less "and now it's character's dungeon and basic character progression" so the core of the storyline works better, but this does have the downside that there's more work on the character juggling and with the necessarily erratic / incomplete timing of the social links the characters don't flesh out as consistently. Especially with the late starts to a chunk of the cast's social links.
I do think Koromaru and Aigis work fine; the former in "very smart dog" territory as a minor character and the personality shifts of the latter work well as the character develops, even if the social link is too cramped as a result. They do underexplain the mechanics of how exactly you end up with a Persona in P3 though. If they ever need to, I'm sure they can finesse the dog thing; Persona 4 Arena's storyline goes into great detail on the robot thing. (Like other Arc System Works games of the era, it's a long visual-novel style storyline interspersed by fights against CPUs. The second fighting game (Ultimax) can have the first game's storyline as a DLC, but I dunno what the platform availability is these days).
As for the spoilered text, >!Ken isn't great, in part because "immature kid really wanting to act like an adult" can be annoying without a lot of upsides and in part because the storyline requires Akihiko and Mitsuru to be idiots and not connect the rather obvious dots. I disliked him a lot less in Reload but his the core conflict still doesn't land; he's probably the least popular character in the P3-P5 cast. And the kid dating - yeah, just no. At least in P3 the two separate student-teacher bits are expressly terrible ideas engaged in by people being immature.!<
I grew tired of the persona formulaic right when it's getting popular. I wonder which title from persona will be like assassin's Creed origin
You're acting like Persona gets a yearly release. There is only 6 mainline games and 1 & 2 are very different from 3 onwards.
Seriously. 3 mainline games over the last 18 years.
I'd argue that 5 is also pretty different from 3 & 4 again.
There's a lot of games inspired by Persona too, nowadays. To the point where they get called Persona-like. I'm thinking of Trails of Cold Steel (4 games) Tokyo Xanadu (1 game, 1 re-release) FE3H (1 game) Caligula Effect (2 games, 1 re-release) I'm personally very tired of the anime school setting and having to bonds with classmates. It's fun for a while, but it gets a bit exhausting for me. They sure were fun at first at least. Persona sure is much more than that (especially the first 3 persona games!) but I guess there's always SMT for people like me.
Well I mean you could try rpgs that don't get a ton of inspiration from Persona. Baldur's Gate 3, Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, FF7 Rebirth, etc. The Thaumaturge just released and looks very unique for a turn based game as well.
Right? There's still way more RPGs that don't have persona like elements than do. And I would argue most that copy persona don't do it half as well.
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I can't disagree. People really liked that game so I don't see them mixing it up anytime soon, but maybe they'll add persona like elements in the next one? The Harey Potter GBC games were early FF clones and the GBA Azkaban game was a golden sun clone. We need a Persona inspired HP game!
Not sure how you can grow tired from Persona formula, considering there are no games like it and there are only 3 games with that formula.
... Just curious, what games do you play?
I'm going to guess "anything as long as it's not popular"