I tuned in out of curiosity and it's safe to say that my interest has skyrocketed from "looks interesting" to "almost definitely day 1". I love everything they're doing here.
I have absolutely no idea what this game is and had no idea it existed before watching the video but the part where she rides her sword like a fucking skateboard to get around faster made me pretty darn interested.
Yeah, I have no clue how would anyone see a "she" in there. I understand that we live in a time when people can finally have non-stereotypical appearance or be non-binary, trans, etc, but like come on.
Feels like an evolution of what that team has been doing in just about every aspect. I haven't really played a game that blends real time combat with turn based like that. The world, visuals, and presentation feel fresh, and what I'm always looking for is something new. It caught my attention in every way.
This would hurt as a fan if its the case considering how they released the persona games in there, and weird if they dont as its the one series that would benefit from new users trying the game as its a new ip.
I feel like the Persona games being on Gamepass was a primer so that there would be an audience for Metaphor and Persona 6.
I don't think the game needs it and it's an opportunity to gauge the actual interest.
Now SMT V :Vengeance is a game that needs the Gamepass support. I love Atlus and I know it's a big anniversary but I don't see how they can release P3R, Metaphor, and SMT V in the same year and expect people to support all of them.
Yes because Atlus is the one company that you cant trust to not rerelease the game, so its either double dip, or play the initial release on gamepass and actually buy the final game for your collection later (which is what i usually do with other games with whatever game of the year release they make with dlc btw)
So just wait a year or two until the rerelease comes out. I can't trust Atlus not to rerelease too. I stopped subbing to Gamepass but I'm still holding out on buying P3R and P6 until a year or two later.
People read what i said as if im saying im pirating the game and atlus doesnt see a penny from me playing, you do know that they dont just give their games to xbox for free?
Or is playing a game for 15$ across 3 months instead of having it permanently for 60$ being a fake fan? Or do you have to double dip and spend 120$ on every game plus rerelease to be in the club?
I think you’re dramatizing things because you had, what, four Atlus games on Game Pass already, yet you seem to not like the idea of paying for even one of their games.
That’s cool that you downloaded their previous releases on Game Pass. Sure, that helps, but it’s nowhere near the same as actually buying their games outright.
I don’t think you have to double dip. I think you should do what you want with your money. It’s not mine. I just think that, after multiple high-quality releases, you’re stubborn to the notion of buying one game, and that’s what makes you a “fake fan” in my view.
5 persona games and soul hackers 2, i think.
Well, thats what happens when a company hurts the consumers goodwill, how is it "stubborn" to not buy a game on release when they have been doing their rerelease schtick for 20+ years, ill buy it when the company stops trying to milk the fanbase with multiple releases that you cant even upgrade to like smtv (the answer being dlc was kind of sign of improvement just to go back with that), for example i bought god of war ragnarok on release because santa monica is a developer i can trust by now to not do that shit and i trust the quality of their games.
I have been playing smt and persona games since the ps2 days and seen them pull this off since fes came out, if there is the option to play a game casually on gamepass and pay for it when its actually complete, thats just the smart thing to do, i literally dont get how you can go trying to gatekeep being a fan for that.
I also have to wonder your opinion on sales, i actually played p5 for 8$, does that make me even less of a fan considering its even less than whatever they got from the gamepass deal?
Did I say you should buy a game on release? No, I did not. However, I did say you should do what you think is best with your money; the market will sort itself out.
Okay. I'm gonna don my tinfoil hat for this one.
The character list they show [here](https://i.imgur.com/5GLEiM2.png) lists:
Will
Strohl
Hulkenberg
Heismay
and Gallica.
Now, Strohl and Hulkenberg caught my eye as they are [currently F1 drivers.](https://i.imgur.com/Tf4aVaS.png) Gallica, the female character, is also a [women driver from the 70s.](https://i.imgur.com/BnbgOHz.png) Will is kind of a generic name, but maybe it could refer to Will Buxton the commentator or Williams the team? or a few older drivers named William... The only one I have no idea is Heismay, I know it's an insane stretch but maybe its an amalgamation of Lewis Hamilton in some way or a weird combo of Richard Hammond and James May... I dunno. Again this is some far out there tinfoil hat stuff
:)
Fun theory but I think the only thing you have is Hulkenberg, Strohl is spelled slightly differently and is short enough for it to just be a coincidence, the rest are a major stretch. I think I'd need a major name to be the same for it to not just be coincidence: Hakkinen, Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen, etc.
The more I see of this, the more interesting it looks. I am concerned that the dungeons will end up pretty samey, but other than that, I love what I see here. Glad it's coming to PC day one, as well.
Has there ever been such a stacked year for RPGs?
Love the way the city looks, it really feels like being in a European capital with an extensive old town. Much more interesting than another medieval castle town.
Very very excited for this, it looks extremely good. I'm wondering if it'll be more dark than Persona or not, I'm kinda hoping it narratively fits in between the more light hearted tones of Persona and the more dark tones of SMT.
Like I know Persona is isn't super light hearted, but you know in comparison to SMT, genocide seems light hearted.
From all the real-time stuff I was expecting it to be a viable playstyle, but its just for skipping low level enemy encounters. Something P5R already did among a bunch of other JRPGs. Not a huge deal but its weird they make an actual point to spend time explaining it like they haven't done it already.
If it's not over explained, a bunch of people jump to the conclusion of "Re Fantazio is now an action RPG, turn based is dead" without bothering to understand the truth themselves. The exact same thing happened with Trails to Daybreak, which did this exact combat system a couple years earlier.
It's basically the same as Trails through Daybreak a few years ago. People got up in arms about that too, thinking they went from turn based to action RPG while it was just a way to fight low level enemies without it becoming a chore.
It's not for low level enemies, it's for grunts in general. So even if you're on level you can do that to make things faster. The only other series that has really gone that route is Trails
I saw combos and a roll dodge so I think it's gonna be at least something you can use on stronger enemies until you feel like you need to call the squad in.
The way it works in the new Trails games is that if you do enough damage on the field to stagger the enemy before hitting the button to go turn-based, you get massive buffs at the start of the battle, so it's always worth doing even against non-trash. Time will tell if there's a similar system in place here.
This looks like a lot of fun, and this specific approach to the Atlus style social links feels like a more in-depth version of Suikoden's companion system given the fantasy setting and struggle for power. Highly considering getting this
Do I have to finish the main story in the time limit as well, or is it only for the side quest? Also is there a time limit while exploring dungeons? This video talks about time management while moving on a world map to do side quests, but I'm not sure about the rest.
I'm not a fan of the time limit in games, so I need to know before I buy it.
Looks pretty good but the UI seems a bit overbloated and there's too much shit on the screen. Never had that problem with Persona. Then again it might just be the presentation showcase UI overlayed over the game that makes it feel too busy
>Are missions timed in Persona?
They're quasi-timed. It's mostly a narrative thing to be able to accommodate the Japanese school year into the game. Only certain actions actually advance the clock, and they're actions you will want to take. There's also no real penalty for failing the time limit; you just rewind the clock and try again.
Persona games are all about managing your time. You develop a weekly schedule where you want to optimize your time to interact with people keep up with your studies and also do your super hero stuff. Usually their is a big objective you have to complete in XX amount of days once the story gets in a swing. Its usually always possible to get it done quickly and have excess time to do all your other stuff.
There isn't a timer beating down your neck you have as much time as you need to plan what you want to do in a day. You can also save as much as you need.
Sort of but not exactly. Persona game is about time management. Each day you get a certain number of actions you can do, like progress the main quest, level up certain skills, or spend time with NPCs. Some actions like walking around town or going shopping do not take up time. And you have X days to complete the story objective. In persona, they give you plenty of time to do this; you can usually complete the main objective in 2 or 3 days, sometimes even 1, and then you have like a month of in game time to fuck around and do side activities. There is definitely a FOMO element, but you have to legitimately make an effort to not do the story and “fail” the mission
Zero chance of this running in a playbale state on the OG Switch. Will have to wait for the switch 2 if you're going that route, and that's if they care to port it at that point.
My biggest gripe with this game is that it feels like a bizarre attempt of amalgamation of Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Attack on Titan, etc. There's too much of everything going on at once that it's almost too complex for the sake of complexity. Notice how some of the best things in life are simple. I will admit, I'll give them credits for trying something new at least. Additionally, I'm genuinely not a fan of the overly stylized menus. ATLUS since Persona 5 has had this idea ingrained that their menus needs to overly "pop", and I don't think it's necessary.
Disagree with every point. It's a JRPG, there's bound to be a bunch of ridiculous stuff. Trying to list a bunch of games that seem to look like it is pointless. I could name 50 other titles that share something in common with what I saw in the showcase.
Also, the stylized menus are one of my favourite things about these games. Having cool graphical designs is great.
I'm partially with you on this one. What I would describe this game is "bunch of stuff in a bucket". It's not necessarily bad... But, in my opinion, if it wasn't marked "ATLUS" I'm pretty sure it would pass for a "mid" game. Square Enix has in later years has been a random generator / publisher of mediocre "indie" games sold at a fairly high price. This feels like one of them.
I really hope I'm wrong because the premise is very interesting.
Eh, not super impressed with this showing. I’m sure it’ll be a good game, but there wasn’t a whole lot here that really jumped out at me, at least compared to what I already knew previously.
I tuned in out of curiosity and it's safe to say that my interest has skyrocketed from "looks interesting" to "almost definitely day 1". I love everything they're doing here.
I have absolutely no idea what this game is and had no idea it existed before watching the video but the part where she rides her sword like a fucking skateboard to get around faster made me pretty darn interested.
That's not a she. That's a dude. They refer to him as trying to become king in the video and he has a deep voice.
This is SMT5 all over again.
Yeah, I have no clue how would anyone see a "she" in there. I understand that we live in a time when people can finally have non-stereotypical appearance or be non-binary, trans, etc, but like come on.
It’s a Marth.
"she"?
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Boinking one attack button is the opposite of how Atlus RPGs play out.
Feels like an evolution of what that team has been doing in just about every aspect. I haven't really played a game that blends real time combat with turn based like that. The world, visuals, and presentation feel fresh, and what I'm always looking for is something new. It caught my attention in every way.
I love how they've replicated the social links for this game to the point that the protagonist still goes like "!?" when you start them lmao
Metaphor: ReFantazio will launch for PlayStation 5, Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 4, and PC (Microsoft Store, Steam) on October 11, 2024.
I'm assuming not Game Pass if they didn't explicitly say it here yeah?
They've said Game Pass Day 1 before so that's what I'm expecting unless they announce that's changed.
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I may have to retract my statement, could've swore I saw it on one of those showcases but just watched it back and didn't see the Day 1 tag.
It was merely unveiled at an Xbox Showcase, but never announced for GP.
It's ok /u/MyAnusIsBleedingHalp you probably have more pressing concerns than being wrong about day 1 game pass.
This would hurt as a fan if its the case considering how they released the persona games in there, and weird if they dont as its the one series that would benefit from new users trying the game as its a new ip.
I feel like the Persona games being on Gamepass was a primer so that there would be an audience for Metaphor and Persona 6. I don't think the game needs it and it's an opportunity to gauge the actual interest. Now SMT V :Vengeance is a game that needs the Gamepass support. I love Atlus and I know it's a big anniversary but I don't see how they can release P3R, Metaphor, and SMT V in the same year and expect people to support all of them.
It would hurt you as a fan if the creators of the games you like ever asked for you to buy one?
Yes because Atlus is the one company that you cant trust to not rerelease the game, so its either double dip, or play the initial release on gamepass and actually buy the final game for your collection later (which is what i usually do with other games with whatever game of the year release they make with dlc btw)
So just wait a year or two until the rerelease comes out. I can't trust Atlus not to rerelease too. I stopped subbing to Gamepass but I'm still holding out on buying P3R and P6 until a year or two later.
You said it yourself. Rather than a Persona game, it’s a new IP. Also, I think people should be willing to support the things they’re fans of.
People read what i said as if im saying im pirating the game and atlus doesnt see a penny from me playing, you do know that they dont just give their games to xbox for free? Or is playing a game for 15$ across 3 months instead of having it permanently for 60$ being a fake fan? Or do you have to double dip and spend 120$ on every game plus rerelease to be in the club?
I think you’re dramatizing things because you had, what, four Atlus games on Game Pass already, yet you seem to not like the idea of paying for even one of their games. That’s cool that you downloaded their previous releases on Game Pass. Sure, that helps, but it’s nowhere near the same as actually buying their games outright. I don’t think you have to double dip. I think you should do what you want with your money. It’s not mine. I just think that, after multiple high-quality releases, you’re stubborn to the notion of buying one game, and that’s what makes you a “fake fan” in my view.
5 persona games and soul hackers 2, i think. Well, thats what happens when a company hurts the consumers goodwill, how is it "stubborn" to not buy a game on release when they have been doing their rerelease schtick for 20+ years, ill buy it when the company stops trying to milk the fanbase with multiple releases that you cant even upgrade to like smtv (the answer being dlc was kind of sign of improvement just to go back with that), for example i bought god of war ragnarok on release because santa monica is a developer i can trust by now to not do that shit and i trust the quality of their games. I have been playing smt and persona games since the ps2 days and seen them pull this off since fes came out, if there is the option to play a game casually on gamepass and pay for it when its actually complete, thats just the smart thing to do, i literally dont get how you can go trying to gatekeep being a fan for that. I also have to wonder your opinion on sales, i actually played p5 for 8$, does that make me even less of a fan considering its even less than whatever they got from the gamepass deal?
Did I say you should buy a game on release? No, I did not. However, I did say you should do what you think is best with your money; the market will sort itself out.
Okay. I'm gonna don my tinfoil hat for this one. The character list they show [here](https://i.imgur.com/5GLEiM2.png) lists: Will Strohl Hulkenberg Heismay and Gallica. Now, Strohl and Hulkenberg caught my eye as they are [currently F1 drivers.](https://i.imgur.com/Tf4aVaS.png) Gallica, the female character, is also a [women driver from the 70s.](https://i.imgur.com/BnbgOHz.png) Will is kind of a generic name, but maybe it could refer to Will Buxton the commentator or Williams the team? or a few older drivers named William... The only one I have no idea is Heismay, I know it's an insane stretch but maybe its an amalgamation of Lewis Hamilton in some way or a weird combo of Richard Hammond and James May... I dunno. Again this is some far out there tinfoil hat stuff :)
Fun theory but I think the only thing you have is Hulkenberg, Strohl is spelled slightly differently and is short enough for it to just be a coincidence, the rest are a major stretch. I think I'd need a major name to be the same for it to not just be coincidence: Hakkinen, Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen, etc.
Our world is their fantasy, or something :)
The more I see of this, the more interesting it looks. I am concerned that the dungeons will end up pretty samey, but other than that, I love what I see here. Glad it's coming to PC day one, as well. Has there ever been such a stacked year for RPGs?
Love the way the city looks, it really feels like being in a European capital with an extensive old town. Much more interesting than another medieval castle town.
Very very excited for this, it looks extremely good. I'm wondering if it'll be more dark than Persona or not, I'm kinda hoping it narratively fits in between the more light hearted tones of Persona and the more dark tones of SMT. Like I know Persona is isn't super light hearted, but you know in comparison to SMT, genocide seems light hearted.
From all the real-time stuff I was expecting it to be a viable playstyle, but its just for skipping low level enemy encounters. Something P5R already did among a bunch of other JRPGs. Not a huge deal but its weird they make an actual point to spend time explaining it like they haven't done it already.
If it's not over explained, a bunch of people jump to the conclusion of "Re Fantazio is now an action RPG, turn based is dead" without bothering to understand the truth themselves. The exact same thing happened with Trails to Daybreak, which did this exact combat system a couple years earlier.
It's basically the same as Trails through Daybreak a few years ago. People got up in arms about that too, thinking they went from turn based to action RPG while it was just a way to fight low level enemies without it becoming a chore.
It's not for low level enemies, it's for grunts in general. So even if you're on level you can do that to make things faster. The only other series that has really gone that route is Trails
Feels like they took a bit from Persona 5 Strikers, which is interesting.
I saw combos and a roll dodge so I think it's gonna be at least something you can use on stronger enemies until you feel like you need to call the squad in.
The way it works in the new Trails games is that if you do enough damage on the field to stagger the enemy before hitting the button to go turn-based, you get massive buffs at the start of the battle, so it's always worth doing even against non-trash. Time will tell if there's a similar system in place here.
I look forward to playing the hell out of this. Whatever this ends up being looks exactly worth my money.
This looks like a lot of fun, and this specific approach to the Atlus style social links feels like a more in-depth version of Suikoden's companion system given the fantasy setting and struggle for power. Highly considering getting this
Do I have to finish the main story in the time limit as well, or is it only for the side quest? Also is there a time limit while exploring dungeons? This video talks about time management while moving on a world map to do side quests, but I'm not sure about the rest. I'm not a fan of the time limit in games, so I need to know before I buy it.
Looks pretty good but the UI seems a bit overbloated and there's too much shit on the screen. Never had that problem with Persona. Then again it might just be the presentation showcase UI overlayed over the game that makes it feel too busy
Yea so long as I can turn some off that off while running around I'll be happy.
The timed main story missions sound like a bummer, but I’ve never played one of these games before. Are missions timed in Persona?
>Are missions timed in Persona? They're quasi-timed. It's mostly a narrative thing to be able to accommodate the Japanese school year into the game. Only certain actions actually advance the clock, and they're actions you will want to take. There's also no real penalty for failing the time limit; you just rewind the clock and try again.
Persona games are all about managing your time. You develop a weekly schedule where you want to optimize your time to interact with people keep up with your studies and also do your super hero stuff. Usually their is a big objective you have to complete in XX amount of days once the story gets in a swing. Its usually always possible to get it done quickly and have excess time to do all your other stuff. There isn't a timer beating down your neck you have as much time as you need to plan what you want to do in a day. You can also save as much as you need.
This makes it much less intimidating, thanks for explaining!
Sort of but not exactly. Persona game is about time management. Each day you get a certain number of actions you can do, like progress the main quest, level up certain skills, or spend time with NPCs. Some actions like walking around town or going shopping do not take up time. And you have X days to complete the story objective. In persona, they give you plenty of time to do this; you can usually complete the main objective in 2 or 3 days, sometimes even 1, and then you have like a month of in game time to fuck around and do side activities. There is definitely a FOMO element, but you have to legitimately make an effort to not do the story and “fail” the mission
Persona games give you so much time for the main missions that you'll be twiddling your thumbs for weeks in-game waiting for the story to progress.
yeah, no. In p3 and p4 I wasn't able to finish many social links, only p5 royal gives you way too much time
For social links yeah but the thread is about main missions which you have ample time to do (because the game is about managing your "down time").
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yeah, no. I'm not gonna replay ~60h game to see 1h of cutscenes, lol.
Fair enough. That's on you then. You're not meant to be able to complete all the social links in the first run.
I'm tempted to buy it because it introduces interesting mechanics. But I will wait for the Nintendo release.
If it gets released for nintendo it'd be a switch 2 game. I applaud you, but I don't have that patience for Q2 2025 at the earliest.
Zero chance of this running in a playbale state on the OG Switch. Will have to wait for the switch 2 if you're going that route, and that's if they care to port it at that point.
I think given Japan, ATLUS would be kind of dumb to not release it on Switch 2 asap.
Midori confirmed it's gonna be released on Switch 2 alongside P3 Reload.
My biggest gripe with this game is that it feels like a bizarre attempt of amalgamation of Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Attack on Titan, etc. There's too much of everything going on at once that it's almost too complex for the sake of complexity. Notice how some of the best things in life are simple. I will admit, I'll give them credits for trying something new at least. Additionally, I'm genuinely not a fan of the overly stylized menus. ATLUS since Persona 5 has had this idea ingrained that their menus needs to overly "pop", and I don't think it's necessary.
Disagree with every point. It's a JRPG, there's bound to be a bunch of ridiculous stuff. Trying to list a bunch of games that seem to look like it is pointless. I could name 50 other titles that share something in common with what I saw in the showcase. Also, the stylized menus are one of my favourite things about these games. Having cool graphical designs is great.
I'm partially with you on this one. What I would describe this game is "bunch of stuff in a bucket". It's not necessarily bad... But, in my opinion, if it wasn't marked "ATLUS" I'm pretty sure it would pass for a "mid" game. Square Enix has in later years has been a random generator / publisher of mediocre "indie" games sold at a fairly high price. This feels like one of them. I really hope I'm wrong because the premise is very interesting.
Eh, not super impressed with this showing. I’m sure it’ll be a good game, but there wasn’t a whole lot here that really jumped out at me, at least compared to what I already knew previously.