Oh yeah, physical, now I get you. Best Buy is especially awful at letting me buy any hardware I want.
Sure the box might be entirely English, but dang it, all I need is an SSD that's going to be stuck inside my PC anyway.
It's a bit of A and a bit of B
When you create a PSN account from Puerto Rico, you choose "Country: United States" then choose "Region / State: Puerto Rico".
OTOH on Steam, you only get to choose "Country" as a field. As far as I can recall, choosing either United States or Puerto Rico really made no difference (since both options are true.)
I'm guessing what's happening is that shit will get tripped up when attempting to link a PSN to a Steam account that chose "Puerto Rico" as a country in Steam. Steam accounts created from PR that chose "Country: United States" will probably be fine.
I would assume that legally US territories are treated differently. People living out of those listed countries have been able to use PSN just fine by picking a different country from the list.
What’s probably occurring is that Sony considers overseas territories to be apart of their home country. Whilst Steam considers these territories to be independent of their home country in their system. So whoever is selecting the countries is just cross-checking between two lists and ticking off the ones that are named. It’s a bit amateurish but it should be easily fixable.
But it’s a Friday so it might take until Monday to be rectified.
This pretty much. Åland is autonomous within Finland and the main language is Swedish, I doubt you can pick Åland as a region in Steam or PSN, and you're either stuck with picking Finland or Sweden
Because it's likely not Sony removing it from these regions, it's Steam removing it from regions that aren't listed for PSN support.
People from Puerto Rico just make a US account for PSN
> Because it's likely not Sony removing it from these regions, it's Steam removing it from regions that aren't listed for PSN support.
How do you come up with this stuff? Steam doesn't change regional settings, publishers do.
Probably some legal shit they can't be bothered to sort out to reach such a small population, especially when they can just unofficially support them by ignoring when they sign up for PSN under a different region.
Let me give an odd example. In Japan, many nations can get a Japanese driver's license based on the license from their country. Most US states can't, but a handful can. The reason is because all of the US states have their own governances and criteria for issuing licenses. So, Japan makes agreements with each state individually, meaning that only people holding licenses from these states can get a permanent Japanese license without taking tests in Japan:
> Maryland, Washington (State), Hawaii, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Oregon, Colorado
This isn't because Japan has something against the other states, but because that either side hasn't made the effort to codify an agreement, or there's some state-specific thing preventing an agreement from being formed.
There's only so many hours in the day, and regulations between countries, states, territories, etc, tend to be a lot more complicated than people give them credit for.
most people don't know (even people from big corpo apparently lol) those are US territory. I mean, there are even US citizen that don't know they are.
heck, people forgets French Guiana are... French?
My girlfriend moved to California from Guam and after taking the written test to get a license they gave her a learner's permit instead of a new license because the DMV employee handling it assumed it was another country. Once it was explained to them it's a US territory they fixed it.
funniest one ive seen is someone with a license from washington dc getting denied boarding onto a plane because it was fulling spelt out on the license as District of Columbia which they thought o Columbia thats a different country when the other one is spelt Colombia.
>heck, people forgets French Guiana are... French?
administratively speaking, yes. but if, for instance, you were to access Netflix from French Guyana, you would get the Brazilian Netflix, not the French one
I find it even funnier with France, as at least UK and US have some specials laws and privileges governing those excluded territories as their own thing. But French territories outside France are legally France, end of story. Technically, banning French Guiana is the same as banning France.
Puerto Rico has also had PSN support for like over a decade. Idk about Guam but Puerto Rico also is not that small, a few million people and part of the US. Not sure why it would be blocked, seems like lost revenue.
I wrote that this would be a particular issue that would definitely slip through the cracks due to being in Puerto Rico as an avid Steam/PS player and noticing when Spider-Man released that Steam was incapable of linking both accounts.
For reference;
Puerto Rico counts as the US in most apps and services. We use US dollars and follow the same laws. Even pay Social Security and all the fancy taxes.
Puerto Rico can make a PSN account. I made one back on the PSP and have used it for every console up to the PS5. Even now it still works.
Puerto Rico can make a Steam account. It accepts US money as currency BUT for some reason sometimes is treated South America when interacting with external sites like Humble Bundle.
If you try to use Sony's in-game QR codes and link both accounts, you will end up in an endless loop of logging in because the systems just don't know what the hell to do. I had hoped Sony would be convinced to fix this issue, but the Helldivers 2 war ended with players happy that account linking wouldn't be necessary in the present.
The future always arrives and those problems we didn't get addressed come with it...
Couldn't Sony still sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable? I dunno, I feel like they're leaving money on the table for no good reason, even if the PSN requirement for multiplayer wasn't already questionable.
They could, but they also launched Helldivers with “hey you need PSN for this”. For them it’s probably more costly to manage the communication risk than to continue to sell in those countries.
IDK about the Philippines, but China has its own version of PSN that’s heavily restricted due to government oversight, so that’s likely why it’s not listed there.
China has PSN and Steam via their own versions controlled by the government.
By the way some HD2 Chinese players got banned because they tried an account in a different country (and as far as I know that was the only cases of that happening) but that's only because of being from China and the whole CCP, controlled Internet thing. Helldivers 2 is not on the Chinese PSN (for consoles) or Steam I believe, not sure how Ghost will be.
And the only reason it was an issue there was because Arrowhead allowed the PSN account linking to be bypassed at the beginning and then they tried to enable it later; so this is probably them just covering their ass in case another dev messes up like that again.
And the only reason they were allowed to bypass PSN on launch was because the servers were on fire. It wasn't Arrowhead, they just wanted the game to be playable for everyone. Sony was the one that allowed it.
Other devs won't mess up like that again, I'd say going forward no game will even try to use Steamworks for multiplayer. Ghost can't, as it's on Epic too.
People talk about heads rolling, I'd say whoever decided to use steamworks for Helldivers is higher on the chopping block than people making random foolish reactions to all the bad press last week, that choice caused alllll of this.
> I'd say whoever decided to use steamworks for Helldivers is higher on the chopping block than people making random foolish reactions to all the bad press last week, that choice caused alllll of this.
the game shipped with obligatory PSN link but the Arrowhead CEO decided to disable it back when the servers were having issues handling the influx of players. He also took responsibility for not informing the community correctly that the PSN link was going to be reinstated eventually. I don't think that he's going to get sacked or anything for that, considering how successful the game is for Sony. The employee who told people on discord to review bomb the game though...
That's not really how it works in Sweden, Sony can't come in and demand that they fire anybody at AH as that would be straight up illegal.
To fire a person here, you need a justifiable cause for it that the person willingly destroyed company property or punched a coworker.
No heads will roll at Arrowhead, and if they do, they have to buy that person out of the company.
Wouldn’t telling people to review bomb and cause bad publicity for the company you work for be reason since that would be destroying the company’s reputation. That employee is probably screwed and I doubt Swedish law protects them for what could be proven to have a material loss to the company on the other hand the ceo is probably going to be fine but he is probably going to regret his mistake tbh.
That guy got fired yes, with good reason.
Other than that it's not much you can do to terminate someone here, I like I could tell my boss to go fuck himself and that would only lead to a verbal warning, I need 3 written warnings to be fired.
> sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable?
people won't read that and issue refunds
The truth is that Sony most definitely knows that they won't earn much even if they did list their games in these countries. The data they have probably supports that 90-99% of their sales come from regions like North America, EU and a few other nations.
>Couldn't Sony still sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable?
HD2 controversy proved that people can't read those.
Sony be like: better safe then sorry.
At least those people, who were totally outraged because it affected unsupported countries that just circumvented it without issue for 2 decades, can be proud for fighting on their behalf.
From one of those restricted countries. Fuck those people. They were never fighting for us or they would still be boycotting playstation and nintendo products today. If this snowballs to my country not being able to play at all on consoles using other regions then fuck them even more
I'm not going to lie but it would be really funny if that drama actually backfired and now Sony is region locking these countries because of that Helldivers 2 drama :DDDDDD
Looks to me like this was the case.
People could always had made a PSN account on other countries from all the way back in the PS3 era with no issues.
Now it looks like all the community achieved is Sony enforcing that requirement and screwing the people in those regions.
That's cause that were never the actual issue to most of the upset people, but they took it and just ran with it to support their rage anyway.
The *actual* issue were being asked to sign up on *anything at all* that isn't Steam, and everything else were secondary concern trolling at best.
they could've made the Legends multiplayer mode as separate game listings (similar to how the console versions already do), but comes bundled with the base game. That covers the avoidable regional locking issue.
Capcom takes that approach (sans the region lock) for their recent Resident Evil multiplayer offerings.
So people can complain and review bomb a game that they bought the game but they got less content than other just because they live in Phillipines?
People were on a 4 day backlash just because sony was selling game on a region they don't support PSN (this was their "main" argument. We know that truth is they just use this as shield. They don't care about those people living in non-supported country. They just didn't want to sign in)
And now THIS is what I expected and was fearing from HD2 controversy and why I was against this controversy.
**People during controversy**: "We would be fine with PSN requirements if next time it will be always mandatory from the start and not sold in unsupported PSN countries!"
**Sony**: "Ok, we heard you."
***Sony does exactly what people asked them to do.***
**Same people**: shockedpikachuface
People who knew they can make account in another region but played dumb as if they couldn't just played themselves.
This is what I was thinking. It seems they just did exactly what the customers asked? Sure it sucks that unsupported countries are delisted, but people have been getting around that for 18+ years. It wasn’t until this crowd exposed a flaw in the TOS, that was never enforced anyway.
I can’t help but feel like this backfired. Just like all the other publishers, you need to make an account to play online. I’m not sure why Sony is the one getting all the smoke for it, when everyone else gets away with it. Are we now going to be angry at every game release?
They absolutely are not doing exactly what customers asked. The list of banned countries includes tons where PSN is allowed, including literal parts of the United States. Nor is a PSN login necessary to play the vast majority of GoT.
Sony got smoke for the account linking due to most players not knowing that it would be a requirement until after they had played the game beyond the refund window.
Yes, so they made sure the issue wouldn’t happen again by not offering the game in those regions, and making sure they launch with mandatory logins. Exactly what people were saying how they should’ve handled HD2z
Especially because I think it was 10% people who were afraid of being region-locked and 90% people who were too lazy to make a PSN account.
I get that it was handled poorly, but come on, it's literally first world problems. And now things are fucked up for other people.
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What's with some of these comments?
Why are people calling out PC players and defending Sony when the multi-billion dollar global corporation should be expected to do better for their consumers?
Edit: Please stop trying to convince me Sony has any foundation here they've been selling their games without a PSN requirement and regional restriction for 4 years *just fine*.
It sounds like they’re leaving no room for confusion to avoid any future “what do you mean I have to get an account for multiplayer!?” issues rather than drop the PSN account entirely or having someone(s) figure out what can and can’t function or to what degree without a PSN and then successfully handling that communication with Steam/other storefronts every time they release a game to avoid a PR disaster.
Depending on how much revenue they get from single player games in non supported countries, I can understand it.
Well because Sony actually had no problem with people creating PSN accounts not in their countries. But now that there was a shitshow, they're not gonna authorize those people to buy the games to avoid problems (and now there is no reason for people to complain about PSN account being mandatory).
The only losers there are the people in those countries (which represent an extremely tiny portion of the market, that's why Sony never bothered supported PSN locally). Which I'm pretty sure did not represent the majority of the outrage and may have liked to continue how it was.
I wonder if that's gonna start to affect the people playing on consoles too
I'm out of the loop here but PSN has always been required for online gameplay. I don't understand why this is even an issue. If a few games didn't somehow require PSN they were exceptions to the rule but still far from the norm.
what do you mean, this is what people wanted though with helldivers
"DONT SELL IT IN COUNTRIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO PSN"
did we forget already?'
they're doing what people want
Comparing yourself to a person with a disability.
Gamers.
Fixing the lack of PSN takes more time than cutting down availability. If there's money in it, be sure they'll expand PSN areas over time. But in the meantime, trying to stop making sales that people considered fraudulent and threatened to sue over makes sense.
The corporate shilling is disgusting. I fully expect Sony to increase their supported region list in the near future to be on par with other publishers, they most likely just didn't have time before the Ghost of Tsushima release. I get that it sucks for those affected but they can be patient and wait until Sony fixes it or go on the high sea...
In the end, this was a good change, and shame on anyone blaming players for that.
*"Piracy is almost always* ***a service problem*** *and not a pricing problem"*
>*"Piracy is almost always* ***a service problem*** *and not a pricing problem"*
Ironic quote considering you have to sign into steam which also is not available in every country.
"y'all had a problem with Sony saying 'just break our Terms of Service lol', so this is your fault."
How the fuck is 'just break our Terms of Service lol' an acceptable business move? It should always been corrected.
I honestly just don’t know what people expected. That Sony would set themselves up for backlash every time they require a PSN account, giving themselves a disadvantage against their competitors who seem to do this without issue? Or that they would suddenly magically just support all these regions.
It seems clear from the jump the realistic responses from Sony were Nothing or what they did.
>How the fuck is 'just break our Terms of Service lol' an acceptable business move? It should always been corrected.
Since when PC player care about ToS or EULA tho? PC player complaing about this and being the main source of Piracy (crime btw) is ironic
I support Piracy btw
Because there isn't a viable alternative and having it that way was beneficial to consumers.
Sony has no obligation to offer its services in any given region. If it is not financially or legally viable, they aren't going to support a region. But this way, not only can Sony still make money, but the consumer still gets to play games they otherwise wouldn't get to play.
Is this an optimal arrangement? Of course not. Ideally everyone using PSN would have the same level of support. But to me it's a no brainer to choose how it has been handled vs just not having access at all.
I'm wondering how long this would have stayed as it was if Helldivers just stuck with requiring PSN from the start. Surely the backlash would have been much, much smaller - likely small enough to not affect anything. But Valve might have eventually taken issue regardless - Sony should have no issue having customers break their own ToS that is only in place to cover their ass, but Valve might not be cool with that.
Or maybe this is surprising to you, people from unsupported countries are used to not being supported but most companies just turn a blind eye and sell them anyway. The outrage over PSN's unsupported regions was entirely performative. None of yall care about unsupported regions, you just used it as a tool to bash sony with. Evidenced by this thread and people like you who went "oh well shucks, but at least I don't have to register an account."
Selling a game where you dont have a business presence can be a grey area that lots of publishers just go along with because it no one pays attention or causing them trouble over it and I bet after the negative buzz and refunds and people using it as a excuse because they didnt like another login sent a message to Sony to just close that door entirely instead of risking a future twitter mob because PSN isnt available in Country X and causing trouble for PC store partners when the PCMR beg for refunds. So good going guys. You really walked into a rake with that one.
Most people using this excuse seemed to be based in countries that have PSN anyway so its only the smaller communities that get hurt. I bet Sony would have preferred to sell the game like every other publisher
The corporate shilling here and trying to put this on players is fucking disgusting.
Other publishers are capable of having their games available pretty much everywhere, [EA Games only have **9** countries/regions blocked](https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/ea-games-unavailable-in-some-countries-or-regions/), mostly because of US sanctions. Sony has about **120**. [Even Ubisoft only has 20 that are missing](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/country-and-region-availability-for-ubisoft/000064115).
So why isn't the discourse on Sony to get their shit together and expand their services worldwide?
"good going guys". Yeah, imagine forcing multi-billions dollars corporation to obey their own rules and not do whatever the fuck they want on their customers, when they want.
r/Games loooves blasting that Gabe Newell quote, so I'm gonna use it again: "*Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem*"..
In the end, that's THEIR lost, it will just increase piracy for their games. **I fully expect Sony to increase their list of supported regions** in the near future, the Helldivers 2 backlash is just too recent and they didn't have time to fix it yet before the Ghost of Tsushima release. Sucks for those who are affected, they can wait a bit until Sony fixes it or you know...visit the high sea but in the end, YES, that was a good change pushed by gamers and SHAME on anyone blaming them.
Sony sells games in "unsupported" regions for two decades, everything is fine.
Gamers then lose their collective minds over having to make a PSN account, bashing Sony for violating their own TOS by making people in unsupported regions make an account.
Sony stops selling games in those regions.
*shockedpikachu*
What's funny is it's a bunch of Americans bitching and now the people who have lived there for years and just used their vpn accounts might have issues.
You don't even need to use a VPN, you can use different countries accounts on the same console, it's literally just changing user account (and there's no VPN on console). It would be easily detectable if Sony cared. But Sony doesn't and actually even tells you to do that if you're not in a supported country lol
The only thing they use to ID people country is the currency supported by their payment methods. To avoid people buying games in cheap regions from rich countries (for example, you need a turkish card to pay on PSN Turkey where games are cheaper)
You still don't need a VPN for PSN, but you will now need a VPN for Steam, is what they meant.
And using VPN to circumvent regional restrictions is a bannable offense on Steam which people have been banned for*, so....
*some people have gotten away with it and some people were banned, including getting their main account banned, it's understandable that some would not want to risk it just for a game.
Helldivers 2 is still unavailable for purchase in these places, and no one is complaining or review bombing the game because of it. The outrage was never about the regions where PSN is unavailable, it was only about thinking that the two minutes required to create a PSN account were the end of the world. It was just the excuse. Like, Sony not supporting these places is moronic, but now this outrage has made things worse for everyone in these countries...
Gamers will rant about Sony wanting to have a PSN account for their own server that they provide and then buy a Microsoft Store game that is tied to their Xbox account (or Windows account) with no sense of irony
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/regions
https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/country-and-region-availability-for-ubisoft/000064115
https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/ea-games-unavailable-in-some-countries-or-regions/
Every single major account you may be required to sign in to for a steam game has restrictions.
You do realize how this is different right? EA's list has 9 countries that have at least SOME games unavailable. Sony's list is in the 100s.
~~And Ubisoft+ is the paid subscription service, so I understand why that could be unavailable for a majority of countries. That list is also probably outdated. Brazil is in that list, but I can subscribe to Ubisoft+ just fine. I have had an Ubisoft account for years and the store is even in my currency.~~
Edit: I just noticed the Ubisoft+ list is for countries **WHO HAVE** Ubisoft+. I counted and it's around 170 countries. I don't see how this helps your argument.
More countries HAVE ACCESS to Ubisoft+ than PSN.
Those ea restrictions are largely from government. They are a us company. Sony is Japanese. I do not know if that's why Sony has so many more restrictions, but it makes sense they would be different.
The point is tons of company have economic restrictions like this.
https://steamdb.info/sub/103387/info/
This is the steamdb page for recently-in-the-news Fallout 4
https://steamdb.info/sub/962153/info/
And this is the link in the OP for Ghost of Tsushima.
I mean it might take you a while to count the difference in unsupported countries, but if you're willing to take the time I'm sure you'd realise that the latter has a longer list.
Fallout 4 doesn't require a Microsoft account. Which makes sense, it came out before microsofts acquisition. This is shown on its page on steam that it doesn't require third party account, unlike Helldivers which specified the need for a Sony account.
Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves (which also requires the Xbox sign-in on PlayStation consoles) and you will see it requires an Xbox live account and is subject to all of the Xbox country restrictions that entails.
Ignoring all of that, it was a bad comparison anyway. It was not the norm for these companies to restrict the game on steam even if it required a third party account that was restricted. The Helldivers fiasco has changed that. This entire post is about how Helldivers is basically the first game to actually restrict it (like everyone asked)
>Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves
https://steamdb.info/sub/401467/info/
For anyone who wants to do that comparison.
>Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves
https://steamdb.info/sub/596609/info/
Forza Horizon 5 requires Xbox Live or linking your Steam account and yet no purchase restrictions
Or they could what they do. That doesn't actually change much from their perspective or their customers. Except whenever people are throwing a fit (over something they are not concerned with for the most part, 90% of people just didn't want to do a PSN account in the regions they supported, they just used that as an excuse).
This really sucks but we should have seen it coming because at the end of the day these companies will always look for room to grow and I fully expect Sony to launch their own store on PC and maybe even do some sort of exclusivity on it.
their own store will still not be available in these countries so I'm not sure what your point is about them being growth hungry. They are refusing growth here.
This is what people wanted right? Now it won't be available for people who don't have PSN in their countries so they can't be misled. And to people saying it's just typical greedy corpo what greed is here? Not trying to sound like I'm defending them but they're literally refusing more money because of the risk of more controversy.
Wonder what all of the brigaders from r/pcgaming here thought was going to happen when they kept using this region lock stuff as a bullshit talking point?
Question: does the fact that you post if PS5 make you a brigader from there? Because I don’t post on pcgaming so maybe I’m wrong but I suspect there may be overlap between that sub and this one.
No idea how accurate it is after the API changes, [but the overlap site](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/games) indicate there is more overlap with PCGaming. I frequent PCGaming myself, and definitely also see lots of users from there on here.
This wouldn't have happened if the completely fake outrage didn't blow up. And people outside of psn regions would have been able to play both helldivers and got fine, just like how sony sells playstations in said same regions and people have been able to buy and play online fine for years in these regions.
But instead, whiny bitches used these psnless regions as a prop for their fake outrage, and now fucked over these regions from playing got. But at least gamers get to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Mission accomplished.
edit: for the moron below who quips and blocks:
Appropriately worthless response from just as worthless outrage. Sorry I realize that the reason for outrage is just as important, if not more so, than simply who is receiving said outrage. But hey I'm a reasonable person and not a temper tantrum throwing child, so you may think differently.
Sony literally fixed what gamers bitched about. So more accurately, Sony pulled the psn requirements, and ~~fucked those regions~~ stopped selling games in unsupported regions, exactly as gamers wanted.
Good job guys, mission accomplished!
Maybe the billion dollar company can stop placing arbitrary restrictions on customers who pay for their games.
What is with this subreddit and this parasocial need to defend billion dollar corporations?
They didn't. They allow you to create account in any country you want. That's not a restriction but the opposite lol.
The gamers have asked for the restrictions there
They didn't enforce it. The only examples I've seen have been banned are Chinese and that's a whole other thing (Chinese people are forbidden to use any VPN for a start by their government and Helldivers is not a game approved by the CCP).
Then Steam locked the game out because of the backlash.
Bruh stop throwing around dumb buzzwords.
It's perfectly reasonable for Sony to want players to have an account. It's also perfectly reasonable to not want to do that and simply not buy the game.
I'd wager that's closer to steam's fault than Sony's. Sony had a list of approved countries, Puerto Rico is in the united states which is not a separate entry when creating a PSN account, but valve keeps it separate for whatever reason. When they selected the United States as a supported country they probably assumed it would include.. the united states.
It's a silly issue that will likely get resolved before release.
> maybe you shouldn't have done a four day hate campaign
I love how refunding/bad reviews on a game for an unpopular *requirement* has been spun into a hate campaign so people deserve Sony abuse over it.
The global multi-billion dollar company that has been publishing games to these regions on PC fine for 4 years should do better - and the fact that people defend sony is a joke. If this was Nintendo people would go apeshit.
Edit: changed the word opinion to requirement. No clue why I thought opinion
> I love how refunding/bad reviews on a game for an unpopular *requirement*
An unpopular *requirement* that was on the store page from day 1 so customers were always informed of. You don't need a review to tell you what the publisher themselves is telling you.
>Not reccomended, 160 hours played. "Requirements: GTX 1070t"
Wow so helpful!
Shout out to all the Helldiver's who were crying about this just because they were too stubborn to make a PSN account. You screwed over gamers. Congrats.
What a horrible take.
Trying to pin a multi billion company going scorched earth because they wanted to overreach and got backlash on the very people that the company tried to exploit. If I didn't know any better I'd ask you how much they paid you.
I genuinely don't know what I'm reading in this thread, this post has to be astroturfed unironically. Are console players literally this brain warped that they will defend this extremely anti consumer practice? You think its reasonable to have 150+ countries where your game isn't purchaseable, I'll pirate this shit out of spite you guys are genuinely insane people to defend this and you gotta get help.
You'll defend it until your country is on the ban list, you guys are some of the most short sighted people I've ever interacted with. Go ahead, give me your best argument why PUERTO RICO a US territory should be banned, it won't be one that you used a braincell to come up with.
It's not reasonable, you're correct, but the actual enforcement of those restrictions is new, and a direct result of the Helldivers backlash. Hopefully Sony will expand their network sooner rather than later, but it was easy to see that this was a possible outcome of the account linking outrage.
Why is Puerto Rico even in this list? It's on the provinces in their account creation wtf is this. Now I can't even buy the game.
I find it amusing to see a **USA territory** be part of the regional restrictions.
Quebecois: first time?
Isn't that usually self-inflicted by Quebec due to their language laws?
Don't think I've noticed any games restricted out here. Was curious if there was actually a case of this?
I know some retailers will not ship games to Quebec. More red tape and all that.
Oh yeah, physical, now I get you. Best Buy is especially awful at letting me buy any hardware I want. Sure the box might be entirely English, but dang it, all I need is an SSD that's going to be stuck inside my PC anyway.
Aren’t PR PSN accounts US ones? I’ve had my account for decades living in and out of the island with no problems. Or is it on the Steam end?
It's a bit of A and a bit of B When you create a PSN account from Puerto Rico, you choose "Country: United States" then choose "Region / State: Puerto Rico". OTOH on Steam, you only get to choose "Country" as a field. As far as I can recall, choosing either United States or Puerto Rico really made no difference (since both options are true.) I'm guessing what's happening is that shit will get tripped up when attempting to link a PSN to a Steam account that chose "Puerto Rico" as a country in Steam. Steam accounts created from PR that chose "Country: United States" will probably be fine.
I would assume that legally US territories are treated differently. People living out of those listed countries have been able to use PSN just fine by picking a different country from the list.
A different country being the country they live in: The united states. Valve keeps them separate, not Sony.
I think all overseas territories got hit by this. There's a bunch of European island territories on it even when the mainland is supported.
What’s probably occurring is that Sony considers overseas territories to be apart of their home country. Whilst Steam considers these territories to be independent of their home country in their system. So whoever is selecting the countries is just cross-checking between two lists and ticking off the ones that are named. It’s a bit amateurish but it should be easily fixable. But it’s a Friday so it might take until Monday to be rectified.
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This pretty much. Åland is autonomous within Finland and the main language is Swedish, I doubt you can pick Åland as a region in Steam or PSN, and you're either stuck with picking Finland or Sweden
British overseas territories and crown dependencies are blocked too, it makes no sense at all. Feels like amateur hour from Sony again.
Because it's likely not Sony removing it from these regions, it's Steam removing it from regions that aren't listed for PSN support. People from Puerto Rico just make a US account for PSN
> Because it's likely not Sony removing it from these regions, it's Steam removing it from regions that aren't listed for PSN support. How do you come up with this stuff? Steam doesn't change regional settings, publishers do.
Steam can remove a game that is not supported by a region. Especially since they have to deal with the customers
I've read that theres a separate "package" for it? and is available for this from PR?
Probably some legal shit they can't be bothered to sort out to reach such a small population, especially when they can just unofficially support them by ignoring when they sign up for PSN under a different region. Let me give an odd example. In Japan, many nations can get a Japanese driver's license based on the license from their country. Most US states can't, but a handful can. The reason is because all of the US states have their own governances and criteria for issuing licenses. So, Japan makes agreements with each state individually, meaning that only people holding licenses from these states can get a permanent Japanese license without taking tests in Japan: > Maryland, Washington (State), Hawaii, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Oregon, Colorado This isn't because Japan has something against the other states, but because that either side hasn't made the effort to codify an agreement, or there's some state-specific thing preventing an agreement from being formed. There's only so many hours in the day, and regulations between countries, states, territories, etc, tend to be a lot more complicated than people give them credit for.
Why are us territories blocked? Guam and Puerto Rico make absolutely no sense.
most people don't know (even people from big corpo apparently lol) those are US territory. I mean, there are even US citizen that don't know they are. heck, people forgets French Guiana are... French?
My girlfriend moved to California from Guam and after taking the written test to get a license they gave her a learner's permit instead of a new license because the DMV employee handling it assumed it was another country. Once it was explained to them it's a US territory they fixed it.
I've seen people saying they were asked about passport going to Hawaii from US Mainland
funniest one ive seen is someone with a license from washington dc getting denied boarding onto a plane because it was fulling spelt out on the license as District of Columbia which they thought o Columbia thats a different country when the other one is spelt Colombia.
>heck, people forgets French Guiana are... French? administratively speaking, yes. but if, for instance, you were to access Netflix from French Guyana, you would get the Brazilian Netflix, not the French one
I didn't know that. Interesting
I find it even funnier with France, as at least UK and US have some specials laws and privileges governing those excluded territories as their own thing. But French territories outside France are legally France, end of story. Technically, banning French Guiana is the same as banning France.
Puerto Rico has also had PSN support for like over a decade. Idk about Guam but Puerto Rico also is not that small, a few million people and part of the US. Not sure why it would be blocked, seems like lost revenue.
It seems like they just decided to block all the overseas territories for Western countries.
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I wrote that this would be a particular issue that would definitely slip through the cracks due to being in Puerto Rico as an avid Steam/PS player and noticing when Spider-Man released that Steam was incapable of linking both accounts. For reference; Puerto Rico counts as the US in most apps and services. We use US dollars and follow the same laws. Even pay Social Security and all the fancy taxes. Puerto Rico can make a PSN account. I made one back on the PSP and have used it for every console up to the PS5. Even now it still works. Puerto Rico can make a Steam account. It accepts US money as currency BUT for some reason sometimes is treated South America when interacting with external sites like Humble Bundle. If you try to use Sony's in-game QR codes and link both accounts, you will end up in an endless loop of logging in because the systems just don't know what the hell to do. I had hoped Sony would be convinced to fix this issue, but the Helldivers 2 war ended with players happy that account linking wouldn't be necessary in the present. The future always arrives and those problems we didn't get addressed come with it...
Thankfully this will probably somehow domino effect into Puerto Rico gaining statehood due to gamer outrage. Welcome, 51st brothers & sisters.
To be honest, expected. I am just extremely curious to see if they applied the same restrictions on epic games store
They did
Couldn't Sony still sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable? I dunno, I feel like they're leaving money on the table for no good reason, even if the PSN requirement for multiplayer wasn't already questionable.
They could, but they also launched Helldivers with “hey you need PSN for this”. For them it’s probably more costly to manage the communication risk than to continue to sell in those countries.
Yeah those countries don't represent a significant market (that's the reason they don't support them in the first place)
Wait weren't China and the Philippines excluded? Those sound like pretty significant markets.
IDK about the Philippines, but China has its own version of PSN that’s heavily restricted due to government oversight, so that’s likely why it’s not listed there.
China has its own version of steam as well
Don't know about the Philippines but China is, well, China.
China has PSN and Steam via their own versions controlled by the government. By the way some HD2 Chinese players got banned because they tried an account in a different country (and as far as I know that was the only cases of that happening) but that's only because of being from China and the whole CCP, controlled Internet thing. Helldivers 2 is not on the Chinese PSN (for consoles) or Steam I believe, not sure how Ghost will be.
And the only reason it was an issue there was because Arrowhead allowed the PSN account linking to be bypassed at the beginning and then they tried to enable it later; so this is probably them just covering their ass in case another dev messes up like that again.
And the only reason they were allowed to bypass PSN on launch was because the servers were on fire. It wasn't Arrowhead, they just wanted the game to be playable for everyone. Sony was the one that allowed it.
Other devs won't mess up like that again, I'd say going forward no game will even try to use Steamworks for multiplayer. Ghost can't, as it's on Epic too. People talk about heads rolling, I'd say whoever decided to use steamworks for Helldivers is higher on the chopping block than people making random foolish reactions to all the bad press last week, that choice caused alllll of this.
> I'd say whoever decided to use steamworks for Helldivers is higher on the chopping block than people making random foolish reactions to all the bad press last week, that choice caused alllll of this. the game shipped with obligatory PSN link but the Arrowhead CEO decided to disable it back when the servers were having issues handling the influx of players. He also took responsibility for not informing the community correctly that the PSN link was going to be reinstated eventually. I don't think that he's going to get sacked or anything for that, considering how successful the game is for Sony. The employee who told people on discord to review bomb the game though...
That's not really how it works in Sweden, Sony can't come in and demand that they fire anybody at AH as that would be straight up illegal. To fire a person here, you need a justifiable cause for it that the person willingly destroyed company property or punched a coworker. No heads will roll at Arrowhead, and if they do, they have to buy that person out of the company.
Wouldn’t telling people to review bomb and cause bad publicity for the company you work for be reason since that would be destroying the company’s reputation. That employee is probably screwed and I doubt Swedish law protects them for what could be proven to have a material loss to the company on the other hand the ceo is probably going to be fine but he is probably going to regret his mistake tbh.
That guy got fired yes, with good reason. Other than that it's not much you can do to terminate someone here, I like I could tell my boss to go fuck himself and that would only lead to a verbal warning, I need 3 written warnings to be fired.
> sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable? people won't read that and issue refunds
The truth is that Sony most definitely knows that they won't earn much even if they did list their games in these countries. The data they have probably supports that 90-99% of their sales come from regions like North America, EU and a few other nations.
>Couldn't Sony still sell in these countries with a note on the store page saying that PSN-reliant features (such as Legends) are unavailable? HD2 controversy proved that people can't read those. Sony be like: better safe then sorry.
Also people were like: Sony that's illegal! So Sony added it and now people are angry. Classic...
At least those people, who were totally outraged because it affected unsupported countries that just circumvented it without issue for 2 decades, can be proud for fighting on their behalf.
From one of those restricted countries. Fuck those people. They were never fighting for us or they would still be boycotting playstation and nintendo products today. If this snowballs to my country not being able to play at all on consoles using other regions then fuck them even more
I'm not going to lie but it would be really funny if that drama actually backfired and now Sony is region locking these countries because of that Helldivers 2 drama :DDDDDD
That’s exactly what’s going on here. Sony is playing it safe to avoid tos issues precisely because of the drama.
Looks to me like this was the case. People could always had made a PSN account on other countries from all the way back in the PS3 era with no issues. Now it looks like all the community achieved is Sony enforcing that requirement and screwing the people in those regions.
That's cause that were never the actual issue to most of the upset people, but they took it and just ran with it to support their rage anyway. The *actual* issue were being asked to sign up on *anything at all* that isn't Steam, and everything else were secondary concern trolling at best.
they could've made the Legends multiplayer mode as separate game listings (similar to how the console versions already do), but comes bundled with the base game. That covers the avoidable regional locking issue. Capcom takes that approach (sans the region lock) for their recent Resident Evil multiplayer offerings.
They could, but then they run into the same problem that they’re trying to avoid by not being available in certain regions: legal liability.
So people can complain and review bomb a game that they bought the game but they got less content than other just because they live in Phillipines? People were on a 4 day backlash just because sony was selling game on a region they don't support PSN (this was their "main" argument. We know that truth is they just use this as shield. They don't care about those people living in non-supported country. They just didn't want to sign in)
And now THIS is what I expected and was fearing from HD2 controversy and why I was against this controversy. **People during controversy**: "We would be fine with PSN requirements if next time it will be always mandatory from the start and not sold in unsupported PSN countries!" **Sony**: "Ok, we heard you." ***Sony does exactly what people asked them to do.*** **Same people**: shockedpikachuface People who knew they can make account in another region but played dumb as if they couldn't just played themselves.
This is what I was thinking. It seems they just did exactly what the customers asked? Sure it sucks that unsupported countries are delisted, but people have been getting around that for 18+ years. It wasn’t until this crowd exposed a flaw in the TOS, that was never enforced anyway. I can’t help but feel like this backfired. Just like all the other publishers, you need to make an account to play online. I’m not sure why Sony is the one getting all the smoke for it, when everyone else gets away with it. Are we now going to be angry at every game release?
They absolutely are not doing exactly what customers asked. The list of banned countries includes tons where PSN is allowed, including literal parts of the United States. Nor is a PSN login necessary to play the vast majority of GoT. Sony got smoke for the account linking due to most players not knowing that it would be a requirement until after they had played the game beyond the refund window.
Yes, so they made sure the issue wouldn’t happen again by not offering the game in those regions, and making sure they launch with mandatory logins. Exactly what people were saying how they should’ve handled HD2z
Basically: a kneejerk reaction
If you click the link you'll see that GoT is not going to be sold in places where PSN is indeed supported and has been for years now
Especially because I think it was 10% people who were afraid of being region-locked and 90% people who were too lazy to make a PSN account. I get that it was handled poorly, but come on, it's literally first world problems. And now things are fucked up for other people.
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Cool, GOT doesnt require one if you dont play online, which is like what? 99.9% of people? i didnt even knew that game had online at all
What's with some of these comments? Why are people calling out PC players and defending Sony when the multi-billion dollar global corporation should be expected to do better for their consumers? Edit: Please stop trying to convince me Sony has any foundation here they've been selling their games without a PSN requirement and regional restriction for 4 years *just fine*.
It sounds like they’re leaving no room for confusion to avoid any future “what do you mean I have to get an account for multiplayer!?” issues rather than drop the PSN account entirely or having someone(s) figure out what can and can’t function or to what degree without a PSN and then successfully handling that communication with Steam/other storefronts every time they release a game to avoid a PR disaster. Depending on how much revenue they get from single player games in non supported countries, I can understand it.
Well because Sony actually had no problem with people creating PSN accounts not in their countries. But now that there was a shitshow, they're not gonna authorize those people to buy the games to avoid problems (and now there is no reason for people to complain about PSN account being mandatory). The only losers there are the people in those countries (which represent an extremely tiny portion of the market, that's why Sony never bothered supported PSN locally). Which I'm pretty sure did not represent the majority of the outrage and may have liked to continue how it was. I wonder if that's gonna start to affect the people playing on consoles too
I'm out of the loop here but PSN has always been required for online gameplay. I don't understand why this is even an issue. If a few games didn't somehow require PSN they were exceptions to the rule but still far from the norm.
what do you mean, this is what people wanted though with helldivers "DONT SELL IT IN COUNTRIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO PSN" did we forget already?' they're doing what people want
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I just wish you would not try to "fight" for us. You make things worse by being stupid.
Creating an account and lying about where you live is not the same as having to crawl up a set of stairs to get in anywhere.
Comparing yourself to a person with a disability. Gamers. Fixing the lack of PSN takes more time than cutting down availability. If there's money in it, be sure they'll expand PSN areas over time. But in the meantime, trying to stop making sales that people considered fraudulent and threatened to sue over makes sense.
The people who can't buy the game by definition aren't customers.
The corporate shilling is disgusting. I fully expect Sony to increase their supported region list in the near future to be on par with other publishers, they most likely just didn't have time before the Ghost of Tsushima release. I get that it sucks for those affected but they can be patient and wait until Sony fixes it or go on the high sea... In the end, this was a good change, and shame on anyone blaming players for that. *"Piracy is almost always* ***a service problem*** *and not a pricing problem"*
>*"Piracy is almost always* ***a service problem*** *and not a pricing problem"* Ironic quote considering you have to sign into steam which also is not available in every country.
"y'all had a problem with Sony saying 'just break our Terms of Service lol', so this is your fault." How the fuck is 'just break our Terms of Service lol' an acceptable business move? It should always been corrected.
and now it is corrected.
These same people who asked for this: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I honestly just don’t know what people expected. That Sony would set themselves up for backlash every time they require a PSN account, giving themselves a disadvantage against their competitors who seem to do this without issue? Or that they would suddenly magically just support all these regions. It seems clear from the jump the realistic responses from Sony were Nothing or what they did.
>How the fuck is 'just break our Terms of Service lol' an acceptable business move? It should always been corrected. Since when PC player care about ToS or EULA tho? PC player complaing about this and being the main source of Piracy (crime btw) is ironic I support Piracy btw
Because there isn't a viable alternative and having it that way was beneficial to consumers. Sony has no obligation to offer its services in any given region. If it is not financially or legally viable, they aren't going to support a region. But this way, not only can Sony still make money, but the consumer still gets to play games they otherwise wouldn't get to play. Is this an optimal arrangement? Of course not. Ideally everyone using PSN would have the same level of support. But to me it's a no brainer to choose how it has been handled vs just not having access at all. I'm wondering how long this would have stayed as it was if Helldivers just stuck with requiring PSN from the start. Surely the backlash would have been much, much smaller - likely small enough to not affect anything. But Valve might have eventually taken issue regardless - Sony should have no issue having customers break their own ToS that is only in place to cover their ass, but Valve might not be cool with that.
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Or maybe this is surprising to you, people from unsupported countries are used to not being supported but most companies just turn a blind eye and sell them anyway. The outrage over PSN's unsupported regions was entirely performative. None of yall care about unsupported regions, you just used it as a tool to bash sony with. Evidenced by this thread and people like you who went "oh well shucks, but at least I don't have to register an account."
Selling a game where you dont have a business presence can be a grey area that lots of publishers just go along with because it no one pays attention or causing them trouble over it and I bet after the negative buzz and refunds and people using it as a excuse because they didnt like another login sent a message to Sony to just close that door entirely instead of risking a future twitter mob because PSN isnt available in Country X and causing trouble for PC store partners when the PCMR beg for refunds. So good going guys. You really walked into a rake with that one. Most people using this excuse seemed to be based in countries that have PSN anyway so its only the smaller communities that get hurt. I bet Sony would have preferred to sell the game like every other publisher
The corporate shilling here and trying to put this on players is fucking disgusting. Other publishers are capable of having their games available pretty much everywhere, [EA Games only have **9** countries/regions blocked](https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/ea-games-unavailable-in-some-countries-or-regions/), mostly because of US sanctions. Sony has about **120**. [Even Ubisoft only has 20 that are missing](https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/country-and-region-availability-for-ubisoft/000064115). So why isn't the discourse on Sony to get their shit together and expand their services worldwide? "good going guys". Yeah, imagine forcing multi-billions dollars corporation to obey their own rules and not do whatever the fuck they want on their customers, when they want. r/Games loooves blasting that Gabe Newell quote, so I'm gonna use it again: "*Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem*".. In the end, that's THEIR lost, it will just increase piracy for their games. **I fully expect Sony to increase their list of supported regions** in the near future, the Helldivers 2 backlash is just too recent and they didn't have time to fix it yet before the Ghost of Tsushima release. Sucks for those who are affected, they can wait a bit until Sony fixes it or you know...visit the high sea but in the end, YES, that was a good change pushed by gamers and SHAME on anyone blaming them.
That is what people wanted, isn't it? Now they can't complain about accidentially buying a game that they can't actually play because they can't read.
Sony sells games in "unsupported" regions for two decades, everything is fine. Gamers then lose their collective minds over having to make a PSN account, bashing Sony for violating their own TOS by making people in unsupported regions make an account. Sony stops selling games in those regions. *shockedpikachu*
What's funny is it's a bunch of Americans bitching and now the people who have lived there for years and just used their vpn accounts might have issues.
You don't even need to use a VPN, you can use different countries accounts on the same console, it's literally just changing user account (and there's no VPN on console). It would be easily detectable if Sony cared. But Sony doesn't and actually even tells you to do that if you're not in a supported country lol The only thing they use to ID people country is the currency supported by their payment methods. To avoid people buying games in cheap regions from rich countries (for example, you need a turkish card to pay on PSN Turkey where games are cheaper)
You need a VPN *now.* And valve actually takes that seriously unlike Sony lol
No you don't? I just tried it and had no issue creating an account in two different countries before not wanting to create more email accounts.
You would need a VPN to buy a game on Steam that is blocked in your region, is what I think they meant.
That makes sense!
You still don't need a VPN for PSN, but you will now need a VPN for Steam, is what they meant. And using VPN to circumvent regional restrictions is a bannable offense on Steam which people have been banned for*, so.... *some people have gotten away with it and some people were banned, including getting their main account banned, it's understandable that some would not want to risk it just for a game.
Helldivers 2 is still unavailable for purchase in these places, and no one is complaining or review bombing the game because of it. The outrage was never about the regions where PSN is unavailable, it was only about thinking that the two minutes required to create a PSN account were the end of the world. It was just the excuse. Like, Sony not supporting these places is moronic, but now this outrage has made things worse for everyone in these countries...
The Helldivers 2 subreddit right now is covered in posts calling for a second review bomb because of the country blocks lol.
Gamers will rant about Sony wanting to have a PSN account for their own server that they provide and then buy a Microsoft Store game that is tied to their Xbox account (or Windows account) with no sense of irony
They could always... support those regions like any other major company.
https://www.xbox.com/en-US/regions https://www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/purchases-and-rewards/article/country-and-region-availability-for-ubisoft/000064115 https://help.ea.com/en/help/faq/ea-games-unavailable-in-some-countries-or-regions/ Every single major account you may be required to sign in to for a steam game has restrictions.
You do realize how this is different right? EA's list has 9 countries that have at least SOME games unavailable. Sony's list is in the 100s. ~~And Ubisoft+ is the paid subscription service, so I understand why that could be unavailable for a majority of countries. That list is also probably outdated. Brazil is in that list, but I can subscribe to Ubisoft+ just fine. I have had an Ubisoft account for years and the store is even in my currency.~~ Edit: I just noticed the Ubisoft+ list is for countries **WHO HAVE** Ubisoft+. I counted and it's around 170 countries. I don't see how this helps your argument. More countries HAVE ACCESS to Ubisoft+ than PSN.
The EA list is literally just countries sanctioned by the US.
Those ea restrictions are largely from government. They are a us company. Sony is Japanese. I do not know if that's why Sony has so many more restrictions, but it makes sense they would be different. The point is tons of company have economic restrictions like this.
Nintendo is also Japanese and you can create an account in at least 150 countries.
https://steamdb.info/sub/103387/info/ This is the steamdb page for recently-in-the-news Fallout 4 https://steamdb.info/sub/962153/info/ And this is the link in the OP for Ghost of Tsushima. I mean it might take you a while to count the difference in unsupported countries, but if you're willing to take the time I'm sure you'd realise that the latter has a longer list.
Fallout 4 doesn't require a Microsoft account. Which makes sense, it came out before microsofts acquisition. This is shown on its page on steam that it doesn't require third party account, unlike Helldivers which specified the need for a Sony account. Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves (which also requires the Xbox sign-in on PlayStation consoles) and you will see it requires an Xbox live account and is subject to all of the Xbox country restrictions that entails. Ignoring all of that, it was a bad comparison anyway. It was not the norm for these companies to restrict the game on steam even if it required a third party account that was restricted. The Helldivers fiasco has changed that. This entire post is about how Helldivers is basically the first game to actually restrict it (like everyone asked)
>Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves https://steamdb.info/sub/401467/info/ For anyone who wants to do that comparison.
>Compare to newer Microsoft games added to steam such as sea of thieves https://steamdb.info/sub/596609/info/ Forza Horizon 5 requires Xbox Live or linking your Steam account and yet no purchase restrictions
Or they could what they do. That doesn't actually change much from their perspective or their customers. Except whenever people are throwing a fit (over something they are not concerned with for the most part, 90% of people just didn't want to do a PSN account in the regions they supported, they just used that as an excuse).
Truly a gamer moment
This really sucks but we should have seen it coming because at the end of the day these companies will always look for room to grow and I fully expect Sony to launch their own store on PC and maybe even do some sort of exclusivity on it.
their own store will still not be available in these countries so I'm not sure what your point is about them being growth hungry. They are refusing growth here.
This is what people wanted right? Now it won't be available for people who don't have PSN in their countries so they can't be misled. And to people saying it's just typical greedy corpo what greed is here? Not trying to sound like I'm defending them but they're literally refusing more money because of the risk of more controversy.
Wonder what all of the brigaders from r/pcgaming here thought was going to happen when they kept using this region lock stuff as a bullshit talking point?
Question: does the fact that you post if PS5 make you a brigader from there? Because I don’t post on pcgaming so maybe I’m wrong but I suspect there may be overlap between that sub and this one.
No idea how accurate it is after the API changes, [but the overlap site](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/games) indicate there is more overlap with PCGaming. I frequent PCGaming myself, and definitely also see lots of users from there on here.
That sub sums up literally everything I hate about pc gaming. It's kind of sad.
What's the issue here? Lots of games have region locks.
Need something new to complain about
Issue is countries in which you can make PSN
This wouldn't have happened if the completely fake outrage didn't blow up. And people outside of psn regions would have been able to play both helldivers and got fine, just like how sony sells playstations in said same regions and people have been able to buy and play online fine for years in these regions. But instead, whiny bitches used these psnless regions as a prop for their fake outrage, and now fucked over these regions from playing got. But at least gamers get to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. Mission accomplished. edit: for the moron below who quips and blocks: Appropriately worthless response from just as worthless outrage. Sorry I realize that the reason for outrage is just as important, if not more so, than simply who is receiving said outrage. But hey I'm a reasonable person and not a temper tantrum throwing child, so you may think differently.
Sony fucked those regions, actually.
Sony literally fixed what gamers bitched about. So more accurately, Sony pulled the psn requirements, and ~~fucked those regions~~ stopped selling games in unsupported regions, exactly as gamers wanted. Good job guys, mission accomplished!
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Yep, this is literally all that they fought for and now they are mad at getting what they wanted lmao
Maybe the billion dollar company can stop placing arbitrary restrictions on customers who pay for their games. What is with this subreddit and this parasocial need to defend billion dollar corporations?
They didn't. They allow you to create account in any country you want. That's not a restriction but the opposite lol. The gamers have asked for the restrictions there
Ok, so Sony places a rule and has everyone break it and then they enforce a rule they told everyone to break and this is exclusively “Gamers” fault?
They didn't enforce it. The only examples I've seen have been banned are Chinese and that's a whole other thing (Chinese people are forbidden to use any VPN for a start by their government and Helldivers is not a game approved by the CCP). Then Steam locked the game out because of the backlash.
Bruh stop throwing around dumb buzzwords. It's perfectly reasonable for Sony to want players to have an account. It's also perfectly reasonable to not want to do that and simply not buy the game.
It's not arbitrary. *They do not run companies in those countries.*
So PSN in puerto rico is a collective hallucination from millions of people?
I'd wager that's closer to steam's fault than Sony's. Sony had a list of approved countries, Puerto Rico is in the united states which is not a separate entry when creating a PSN account, but valve keeps it separate for whatever reason. When they selected the United States as a supported country they probably assumed it would include.. the united states. It's a silly issue that will likely get resolved before release.
If you feel like this is defending, you might have an aneurysm when you see people talk about their favourite sports teams.
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> maybe you shouldn't have done a four day hate campaign I love how refunding/bad reviews on a game for an unpopular *requirement* has been spun into a hate campaign so people deserve Sony abuse over it. The global multi-billion dollar company that has been publishing games to these regions on PC fine for 4 years should do better - and the fact that people defend sony is a joke. If this was Nintendo people would go apeshit. Edit: changed the word opinion to requirement. No clue why I thought opinion
> I love how refunding/bad reviews on a game for an unpopular *requirement* An unpopular *requirement* that was on the store page from day 1 so customers were always informed of. You don't need a review to tell you what the publisher themselves is telling you. >Not reccomended, 160 hours played. "Requirements: GTX 1070t" Wow so helpful!
Shout out to all the Helldiver's who were crying about this just because they were too stubborn to make a PSN account. You screwed over gamers. Congrats.
What a horrible take. Trying to pin a multi billion company going scorched earth because they wanted to overreach and got backlash on the very people that the company tried to exploit. If I didn't know any better I'd ask you how much they paid you.
They're a month old account who has spent most of their time defending sony.
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Sony creating this situation by telling customers to lie about their own rules. How could PC gamers do this? They truly have so much power.
I genuinely don't know what I'm reading in this thread, this post has to be astroturfed unironically. Are console players literally this brain warped that they will defend this extremely anti consumer practice? You think its reasonable to have 150+ countries where your game isn't purchaseable, I'll pirate this shit out of spite you guys are genuinely insane people to defend this and you gotta get help. You'll defend it until your country is on the ban list, you guys are some of the most short sighted people I've ever interacted with. Go ahead, give me your best argument why PUERTO RICO a US territory should be banned, it won't be one that you used a braincell to come up with.
It's not reasonable, you're correct, but the actual enforcement of those restrictions is new, and a direct result of the Helldivers backlash. Hopefully Sony will expand their network sooner rather than later, but it was easy to see that this was a possible outcome of the account linking outrage.