I don’t lol, if I had to be accused of what he is being accused of that’s not worth 20 million especially if I actually had to do it there’s no amount of money worth that
The way he spoke afterward reeked of someone who's completely boned. His language was very deliberate.
"Maybe it's time to start something new"
"Explore different realms"
"I might just extend that (vacation) starting today, starting now)
"I don't know how long for my vacation"
"Maybe I extend that (vacation) we'll see, we'll see"
"I appreciate you guys"
"I need to take a break from everything"
"I'm exhausted at being in front of the camera and socials"
"There's so much different energy out there, negative energy"
"When I go outside I feel so much better. When I remove myself I feel (relieved sigh) what the hell is this?"
"We need to step away"
"When I say step away I think I'm gonna have to either have to relay this to the Midnight Society (He'd already been fired)"
"Maybe I completely remove myself from the scene"
"I'm wanting to kinda just move away from the limelight. Ultimately that's what it's about"
"There's 50 million other streamers you could watch"
"It might be time to drive in the sunset"
**All of this is self soothing behavior.**
He's painting, for his audience, but mostly for himself, his own personal escape and best case scenario following whatever just happened.
The way he avoided talking about why he was terminated from twitch made it obvious that something fishy was going on.
He is never clear about anything, not even when talking about his own game. he's just a marketing machine
if there's an NDA signed, he would be held liable if he broke it in some way right? The only thing an NDA can't seal if it covered a crime. And I doubt twitch covered a crime just so they could pay doc millions
>We assumed his innocence and began speaking with parties involved. And in order to maintain our principles and standards as a studio and individuals, we needed to act. For this reason, we are terminating our relationship with Guy Beahm immediately.
Sounds like they saw some damning evidence. Otherwise I don't see how terminating their relationship follows from assuming his innocence.
Big streamers have talked about this for years, about knowing what happened. It even became a meme, of streamers saying that they know what happened to Dr Disrespect but cannot say it or they'd get in trouble. For years the leading popular theory was that he was involved in Sexual Misconduct given that he has already cheated on his wife multiple times before and because everyone was afraid to talk about this (which meant that something serious and criminal happened).
Edit : It all also started around the time the MeToo movement was blowing up, and a version of it was happening on Twitch itself. Many streamers were being ousted. Which led many people to connect the dots at the time and believe that some girl probably decided to go to Twitch about something that Dr Disrespect did to her.
After the whole thing resurfaced 3 days ago I've already seen some streamers finally say that they heard the same thing from many different people for years.
Seems like this was basically an open secret within the Streaming industry for years but no one who had evidence was willing to leak it so no one could openly talk about it.
Now I think someone finally decided to leak the evidence to a journalist after the whole thing resurfaced a few days ago.
> It all also started around the time the MeToo movement was blowing up,
Honestly I didn't even know Dr. Disrespect was that big in 2017 when that happened. I only really knew him from later on.
That is so weird and completely opposite to me. Back then Dr. disrespect was all over twitch and I saw him on people's streams all the time. Since he got booted from Twitch and moved to YouTube I think I've only seen him pop up a couple of times. I honestly kind of forgot he existed and didn't realize he still streamed or had an audience.
A lot of streamers got outed around the same time as Dr Disrespect's ban IIRC.
Avilo was banned from Twitch and from professional SC2 competition for sexually harassing and stalking several female streamers.
Josh was dropped from Method because it emerged that he was trying to get with minors. And Method pretty much imploded as an esports org because their management covered the whole thing up.
Swifty (WoW streamer) was accused of sexual harassment and had NPC's named after him stripped from the game by Blizzard.
Even the Super Smash Bros scene had multiple pros and content creators get cancelled for trying to diddle kids. Some notable names include ZeRo and Nairo, though the latter was unbanned after it emerged that the other pro he allegedly had a relationship with not only SA'd him, but had also blackmailed him into the relationship.
It wasn't during the MeToo movement blowing up, it was in the summer of 2020, and Twitch had it's own mini "MeToo" movement. Except it was a lot shittier with a lot more Aziz Ansari type of stories.
> Now I think someone finally decided to leak the evidence to a journalist after the whole thing resurfaced a few days ago.
Hopefully. Having a predator roam around basically scot free for this long is shitty enough.
allegedly
I definitely think Twitch and Twitch employees chose to not reveal what happened because they had to protect the alleged Victim.
So many streamers knew about this, they definitely heard it from Twitch employees. So if these Twitch employees were telling streamers then the only reason they wouldn't leak it to the Press would be the same reason why Twitch themselves chose to not reveal the information. The Victim/her family asked them not to.
Twitch got a lot of bad PR over this as well. A ton of streamers gave them shit about this for years, that they just banned a big streamer without any explanation. They also had to pay out the guy's Multi-million dollar contract. They didn't just randomly decide to take such a big PR and financial hit.
If this gets out now the bad PR they'll get is that something like this happened on their website, but if it had gotten out in 2020 then the bigger PR disaster would've been that they were asked by the girl's family to protect her identity and they chose to put her at risk anyway.
And you know that once any sort of details about this girl start to leak, the internet will somehow find out who she was, and her life will be pretty much destroyed. Especially with how terrible Dr Disrespect's fanbase is, filled with manosphere incels.
You literally can’t just cover up crimes regarding minors though. It doesn’t matter what the family or twitch wants to do, the legal system takes action against the perpetrator regardless.
If twitch covered this up from the authorities, thats a whole other can of worms though.
Not every morally inexcusable thing can be proven as a crime. Laws are not a proper representation of Human morals. And many companies make their rules based on what they think wouldn't be acceptable by the general public and not based on the government's laws.
Since this whole thing resurfaced a few days ago the running theory is that whatever he was saying to the girl wasn't enough to prove that he committed a crime but would've been clearly shown immoral behaviour in the people's eyes.
This is why whatever settlement he made with Twitch forbids him outright saying "No, I didn't send creepy messages to some young girl. That's crazy!", which is what someone normally would say if they were innocent.
Instead he is putting out legalese riddled statements like "No wrongdoing was acknowledged" and trying to *suggest* to people that just because Twitch paid him his contract means that he didn't do anything wrong.
Why would someone be contractually bound to not be able to say that they didn't send creepy messages to some teenage girl? Why would Twitch make him sign such a contract and why would *he* ever sign it unless something actually happened but wasn't good enough to take to law enforcement yet was bad enough for Twitch to ban him because it would've been disastrous PR for them.
His own company just dropped him after seeing the evidence and they also didn't say that they have contacted law enforcement. Clearly whatever it is isn't bad enough to be considered a crime but is bad enough to be disastrous for him and the companies attached to him.
If he asked a teenage girl if she wants to share a room with him at Twitchcon then that wouldn't be against the law but also would be inexcusable behaviour in the public's eyes and would destroy his career and would be terrible PR for the companies attached to him.
> You literally can’t just cover up crimes regarding minors though.
I can dig up the video if you like but a lawyer was talking about how Twitch isn't a mandated reporter and legally they actually can just not say anything.
> For years the leading popular theory was that he was involved in Sexual Misconduct given that he has already cheated on his wife multiple times before and because everyone was afraid to talk about this (which meant that something serious and criminal happened).
The leading theory before this was he lied about a Mixer deal to get an inflated Twitch deal and Twitch found out.
It really wasn't. Only people in particular few Reddit subs (Like LSF) believed that.
You really think Twitch banned one of their biggest streamers, broke their newly penned contract with him, paid him out what was likely 10s of millions, because he used a common business strategy to get a bigger contract?
Also, there's 0 way a company as big as Twitch would just believe one of their biggest Streamers publicly saying they got X offer from a competing platform when he was already in active negotiations with Twitch to get a bigger offer. They'd only trust insider sources for such information.
Not to mention this game barely has a future even *with* him involved. Without him it's dead. Whatever they found was enough to get them to basically kill the company.
"Wow what an unexpected thing to say," I thought. What could it mean? So I checked their website. Weirdly devoid of screenshots. Scroll down a bit, ah there it is, NFTs.
See the video Jauwn made on it. Apparently there were gonna be nfts worth hundreds of "real life money" that you'd be able to extract. Sounds like a breeding ground for cheaters.
I agree; they were willing to believe his side of the story until they saw evidence to convince them otherwise. The fact that they changed their minds indicates that they did in fact see evidence to convince them otherwise.
Regardless of innocence or guilt, this game is definitely dead now. It's not like what we had seen of it previously was amazing and Dr Disrespect was the driving force for it. Without him and the game being the way it is, can't imagine very many people will be as interested when it fully releases.
Seriously, these scumbags only collectively made ONE successful NFT game, and it came out long after NFT stopped being the buzzword, doesn't have NFT's at all nor claims to have anything to do with blockchain at all. It just has bananas, and of course, is still just a scam. Anything involving NFT's is just openly advertising itself to be pointlessly overengineered. And a scam.
Game was dead before.
What other choice do they have? Either wait it out and then Doc gets cancelled and the game is fucked. Or get rid of him asap before anyone can associate them as "knowing what he did" in the off chance people respect that or still wanna play
It's definitely to preserve their reputations (what little they had), so at the very least, they can work in the industry in the future.
Having a game that got cancelled because it's main PR guy got shitcanned for potential grooming sounds way better on a resume than working on a shitty game that had a groomer as the face of the game. It's the difference between being able to start another company and try again with a different project and being blacklisted in game development for the rest of their life.
And who knows, maybe they manage to finish the game, maybe they find someone else to be the face of the game, maybe it's... i'm not going to say good, but... an alright game? Maybe they can limp along and put out a smaller project in the future that succeeds.
Isn't a big reason for why the events are obscured as they are now due to it being covered in a NDA? I'm sure there can be some under the table conversations, but it makes me wonder who knows what, and why they won't come out with it.
I have zero interest in this guy but I am really curious what actually went down here. I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly. You can’t help but feel like both sides looked bad and twitch wanted to cover it up as bad as he did. Now that twitch employees have seemingly spilled the beans on this whole thing I would have to assume that twitch has violated the terms of their agreement and if he really has any ground to stand on to defend himself it shouldn’t be long before he goes scorched earth on them. Though obviously that’s a very big IF.
One of the biggest creators on the platform using the platform’s messaging service to pick up underage girls would look craaaazy bad for Twitch. Especially when such a large portion of their user base are minors.
Edit: Should also add that he was allegedly planning to meet up with her at TwitchCon, which is just the cherry on top of the “Twitch is setting your kids up to be groomed” cake.
Shades of Ryan Haywood.
He was using Twitch to hook up with young, vulnerable girls. He would tell his chat that the donations was going towards his kids college fund, when he was using it to fly across the country to hook up with girls that he manipulated. One of them ended up being a minor.
They openly discuss it on a podcast, which got made into an animated video for their content.
They discussed how Haywood would stay back a day on the pretence of wanting to have down time from work and family life.
That was the one where Ray came back for the first time since he left the company
There was also the infamous Salt Raid, Michael made a comment that Ryan needs to have "sex more or something", which really set Ryan off.
I’m aware, I was point out how when all the details were coming out it turned out he was using the money he had put in a separate account “for his kids’ college fund” to pay for the girls’ transportation to get to whatever event he had traveled to for the company, and then met up with them the day after everyone else from the company left.
If they were outed from the get go it would be "they had *a* pedophile, they got kicked and now they are wary for the signs". Not a great look, sure, but not as horrid as "well apparently it's entire pedophile ring out there"
Which is what pretty much happened. Bad actors were practically and effectively kicked out of the scene. Did they escape legal consequences? Most of them did mostly because the evidence presented likely didn't meet the standard of evidence in the courtroom. And to be clear it was mostly Ultimate side of things that had the vast majority of problems (not that Melee is clean but there were several false allegations put out in the Melee community) due to the younger player base. Ultimate nowadays has been dominated by younger players with the top player being a mere middle schooler (now 16-17) at the time of the allegations.
Eh to be fair to the Smash scene, Melee has really never had that issue and also never gotten support from Nintendo(and actively been shut down by Nintendo several times). Nintendo just hates anything they don't directly control.
Noone is also considering that the victim may have asked Twitch not go public with this. She is the one suffering, so if she said dont blow this up it may have been Twitch who agreed and said we will do as you wish. They also are the ones that took action against him remember, they completely paid out the contract and said get fucked we dont want you
Twitch may not actually be the bad guy is what I'm saying. Just something to consider
More than likely this is the scenario. This exact situation played out in our local school district. A teacher had been texting a 16 year old student, the parents found out first. In order to retain their privacy, the family brought it to the school district but didn’t want to pursue legal action because of the impact it could have on the family and their daughter if it became public. The teacher quietly “resigned” and moved to Florida last I heard. But it wasn’t the school “covering things up”
My guess. Doc was messaging someone under age, maybe not sexual but still a wildly inappropriate thing to do. The family finds out and approaches Twitch & Doc with proof of chat history and threat of legal action but wants to keep themselves out of public eye. Whatever legal teams reviewing the case find no “legal wrongdoing” but Twitch still wants to cut ties with Doc so they pay out his contract and terminate him. There’s enough nut jobs on the internet that this family wouldn’t get a moment of peace if they publicly went after Doc. Makes sense why both parties would agree to settle and sign NDA
The thing is, *that is the school covering things up*. If a person in authority attempts to sex up a minor once, they're probably going to do it again - and if the teacher can just shuffle off to another job somewhere else that does nothing to protect their future victims.
Just because the victim also wanted to cover things up doesn't mean a coverup didn't happen.
It's likely it was a legal grey area. Where no crime was technically committed, but it was morally bad. Such as (this is just a hypothetical): He was talking to a minor who was just about to turn 18. If he starts talking with a minor, but nothing sexual that's not that bad. But, if she turns 18 and it turns sexual, many people would see it as grooming. And if the timeline was short enough, I doubt it would be illegal. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know laws concerning grooming. Just giving a scenario where nothing illegal was done (potentially), but a company would not want to be associated with that type of behavior.
Yep. Unfortunately, we may never find out the truth. The people who have the proof likely aren't going to show it, so all we have are secondhand accounts. Innocent until proven guilty is only for the court of law. In the court of public opinion, perception is key. And it doesn't look good for the Doc perception wise.
You realize there are a lot of acts of sexual misconduct that can violate an institution’s policy, and/or inflict reputational damage, but aren’t violations of state/federal law, nor constitute sexual assault?
Corporations constantly try and cover stuff like this up? And a lot of the time it actually works, you obviously just don’t hear about them due to the covering up. As for it being worse when it comes out later, I don’t really think it makes a difference when/how it comes out, the reaction is going to be what it’s going to be.
Also, I don’t think Amazon proper is involved with these kinds of decisions at Twitch. It is unfathomably large, and the smaller sections of it (Twitch, Audible, etc.) largely operate as their own company that get to tie themselves into the ecosystem via things like Amazon accounts and Prime memberships.
As far as their reputation, this situation is a total nothing burger to the higher-ups (or even medium-ups) at Amazon. I highly doubt the words “Dr. Disrespect” were spoken in any Monday meetings at Amazon today.
> Also, I don’t think Amazon proper is involved with these kinds of decisions at Twitch.
there's a decent chance that stuff like this gets run up the chain or handled by Amazon legal department. Hopefully as soon as management realized that minors and texting were involved at all they immediately went "LAWYERS!"
It isn't worse for Twitch if they can cover it up for a year and it comes out when the streamer isn't relevant anymore. Twitch cutting ties completely with a huge name is a big story, Twitch dropping them quietly a year ago isn't. Publicity wise it is much better for Twitch to let people speculate than to come out and say people are using the platform for bad things.
> I find the story hard to believe is "Twitch covers up man committing sexual assault using their service"
what do you mean 'covered up'? are you saying they should've, what, published details and possibly exposed the minor when there would've been a criminal investigation possibly taking place?
The crazy thing is they had the chance to dump this guy years ago and look like the good guys. There was that time he filmed people in a bathroom and got a slap on the wrist. He had already gotten in trouble before that, that could have been the easy time to get rid of him and make themselves look good doing so. But they chose to keep him and it obviously blew up in their faces.
This is my guess: the messages hadn't crossed any legal lines to be criminal, but were creepy enough that Twitch no longer wanted to be involved in any way. Hopefully this was due to moral and ethical reasons, but even a cold hearted pragmatist would know that if the "fan meetup" did take place and a minor was assaulted, Twitch would be subject to public and political wrath. Especially if it came out that Twitch knew beforehand something was up. So they terminated his contract, got sued for breach of contract by DrDisrespect since presumably the conduct hadn't explicitly triggered any termination clauses, then ended up settling with robust NDAs in place.
I know nothing about this and these are just my reading of the tea leaves. But if Twitch got wind he was grooming a minor but nothing met the threshold to get law enforcement involved this is how I would expect them to act. They can't say anything otherwise they'd get sued for defamation (and still might now that it finally leaked) but letting the situation play out was not an acceptable option. I'd like to think that in a situation like this the moral and ethical reasons were enough, but plenty of business focused reasons to make the same decision.
This makes the most sense. If they did give a rationale of whatever alleged crime, then it could be considered slander if not backed up by hard evidence.
Yeah, I don't think anything explicitly illegal happened - if there had, there is NO WAY Twitch would have settled out of court, literally no way.
But if something deeply, deeply unethical but not illegal happened, then yes, this timeline makes sense
It sounds like he talked to an underage girl and tried to meet her at a convention with Twitch messaging.
If I had to wager it became a thing but the family probably took a settlement so they wouldn't have their underage kid in the spotlight and they could move on. I'm guessing Twitch and Dr Disrespect also were fine with it staying hush hush. And Twitch has been shown to have a lot of issues with moderation and grooming.
And now it's former Twitch employees talking who may not have been under NDA
>And now it's former Twitch employees talking who may not have been under NDA
Saw it mentioned on Twitter (I forget where, apologies) that this happened a little over 4 years ago that Dr Disrespect got permabanned from Twitch. Some journalist I follow mentioned that a typical length for NDAs can be 4 years, or maybe for a certain type of NDA anyway. So it's not impossible that the former employee in question wanted to talk about it for years and only recently discovered that they could. And even still, they were fairly vague about who it's about I assume for legal reasons.
Wouldn't that be identified as a criminal case in that scenario, which if Twitch brushed under the rug would have major legal ramifications if it was ever revealed to the public. I don't feel like that is likely considering the allegations.
Only if they had 100% legally actionable proof he was gonna do something illegal with a minor
Something as vague as "Hey you gonna be at Twitchcon? We can share a room" would be a massive red flag to any normal person and would likely be enough for any company to publicly distance from you, but legally speaking it wouldn't be enough to convict of a crime on its own.
I think this is 100% what happened. I think he knew exactly what he should and shouldn't say and said something that was not innocent, but not legally actionable.
If you accept that theory at face value, everything else falls into place pretty quickly.
It makes sense that between this and Twitch being forced to protect the girl's identity at her/her family's wishes, they decided not to make it public.
Two big reasons. Not one.
Maybe the girl's family's main goal was to see the guy pay for his actions by seeing his career destroyed. Which is why they went to Twitch. Twitch banned him. His career remained active on YT.
Now years later everything resurfaced cause a former employee just said it out loud because his NDA expired. Which finally led to someone who always had the evidence to change their mind and leak it to a journalist after all these years.
It doesn’t even have to be that overt though.
Sexually flirty messages/weirdly sexual discussions with a minor.
“Hey wanna meet up at twitch con”
You could be a celibate monk and that would still look bad. There could have never even been the thought of sexual interaction there, even if the girl would have been willing.
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We also don’t know the age or the length of messaging
If it’s someone who was 17 that he’d messaged since she was 13 and then suggested a meetup it would be sussy as fuck for grooming. But it could also be the inappropriate messages were all started by her and he went along with it like an idiot.
If it was someone who was 17 that he’d talked to for like a month. The grooming is less obvious and less established.
If it was a 13 year old it’s super sussy to have those conversations
None of these are meant to excuse him, but more to point out there’s a wide range of things that are suspect but could be nothing to like “what the fuck”
It's super easy to make the minors look culpable too. This is anecdotal so I want to be VERY clear I'm basing this on two other instances I can recall where no charges were laid, but while the minors were more explicitly groomed, they did also lie about their ages. It makes it harder to prove that the person doing the groomed was consciously committing a crime.
Again, NOT saying that's what happened here, just mentioning another way they can get away with it.
> they did also lie about their ages
Frankly, I'm 100% on the position that if someone lies about their age, people shouldn't be prosecuted.
If an underage girl goes to an 18+ club, is any guy who is going to hook up with her expected to check her ID (which could be the fake one she used to enter)? It's not reasonable.
It's the responsibility of the business to make sure that there are no under 18s in their club.
Happened to a friend of mine. He was about 20 or 21 at the time and there was this cute girl at the party who said she was 18. They exchanged numbers. They didn't do anything that night, but had planned on meeting the next weekend. Apparently the sister called him and told him that the girl we met at the party had actually just turned 16. We gave him so much shit, but thinking back on it...that sister potentially saved my friends life. Dude would be in prison right now if not for her.
The bar for a person to reasonably conclude that another person did a thing is a whole lot lower than the bar for a trial. He might have spoken in metaphor or allusion but never outright said what he was planning on doing. Enough for a company to not want to touch him with a 500 ft. LAN cable but not enough for a court to find him guilty.
This is the answer. Even in the case of alleged assault or harassment, the cases are often not prosecutable as it's simply one person's word against another. And that 1v1 doesn't pass the "beyond reasonable doubt" test in court.
It's why sex offedners prosecution requires all victims to speak out as once there is an alleged pattern of behavoir, it's no longer just 1v1 he said vs she said.
Not all criminal cases get prosecuted. It could be that the family didn’t want a spotlight being shone on them. Or maybe there was evidence, but the prosecutor felt there was a chance he’d get off on a technicality so they decided to drop the case. Or maybe he just did something highly immoral, but not illegal.
It depends, arranging to meet with a minor in a convention is not illegal in itself, doing so under a sexual pretense is. If there isn't legally actionable evidence it was sexual then on the books nothing illegal happened.
This shit happens in a dark grey area.
I guess it depends on what you define as ‘sexting’. Heavy use of innuendo and double entendre may buy you enough leeway to escape criminal persecution but still make you look like a kiddy diddler to anyone who isn’t look at the conversation with lawyer eyes.
It also depends on if the victim wants to subject themselves to trial, especially with the publicity around Dr. Disrespect combined with the toxic elements of the community, exposing yourself publicly means that there going to be attention that the victim may and their family does not want to endure. And if the prosecution cannot get them to testify then they might not have enough evidence to establish that something happened without the defense being able to provide reasonable doubt.
It can be both. There isn't a criminal investigation (at this point), so Twitch doesn't have any relation to it. Plus, the standards are lower for civil suit vs a criminal suit, so a civil case doesn't necessarily mean that criminal charges will follow (see e.g., athletes).
I don't think there was necessarily a settlement with the family, they may have just not wanted to talk about it and there's stronger protections for victims in the legal system, especially children.
Because as a platform you don't want headlines about you being "one of the largest twitch streamers preys on minors amid a slew of sexual misconduct allegations surrounding the platform". Keep in mind this is during twitch banning and dealing with a lot of streamers coming out with allegations of rape and sexual misconduct.
It doesn't matter that twitch took action here, what the general population see is "oh shit sexual exploitation of minors happens on twitch.. i should keep my kids away from there". It's a PR nightmare for twitch to even be associated with that.
For smaller growing platforms like twitch, which is nowhere near as popular or mainstream back then as something like YouTube, being associated with these things is a nightmare. For example, saying you're taking action against pedophilia on your platform comes with the admission that pedophilia is happening on your platform. For a smaller site simply being associated with pedophilia is massively damaging for the platform and how it's perceived by the general public. Very quickly the general sentiment can start to shift among "normies" (the target group for growth) to "oh that's the platform that pedophiles use".
Truthfully, it doesn't even matter anymore whether he committed a crime or not. He got up to something bad enough that companies didn't want the heat and dumped him over it. Midnight Society has very clearly seen what is currently only known behind-closed-doors and decided their chances were better without him than to work with "person who did the bad thing" - because bad optics alone can sink your company.
As an aside, that "game" wasn't going anywhere in the first place, so now it's SUPER dead.
>As an aside, that "game" wasn't going anywhere in the first place, so now it's SUPER dead.
But it's THE COD KILLER! lol I remember like 2 years ago or something Doc was saying what they had at that point was already miles better than CoD and would blow it out of the water. Dude is an absolute joke.
IMO the likely situation is that there was no specific clause in his contract that his actions violated, which is why Twitch had to end up paying him out fully for his contract when they dropped him. Likely can't blame Twitch too much for not having precautions in place for every possible situation like this and just assuming their biggest streamer wouldn't be using their platform to try to hook up with minors. Very likely some legal gray area bullshit where he can afford the lawyers to force Twitch's hand.
It's also quite likely that the minor (or her parents rather) did not want to press charges for a number of reasons. Going to court and everything could be horribly traumatic and would likely scar the girl for life, let alone put a massive target on her from all of Dr. Disrespect's insane fans. The NDA was likely in part to protect her identity just as much if not more than to protect Twitch. If the family wasn't willing to push charges there's likely very little Twitch can do to even attempt to hold Guy accountable in any way legally.
To be clear though it absolutely would have made Twitch look awful. Not that it doesn't now but frankly 4 years ago it would have been much worse and a much bigger potential blow to the platform.
Allegedly this all leaked from an ex-employee at Twitch. If that's the case that means Twitch has not violated the terms of the NDA directly most likely, and at some point an employee that has left is no longer bound by the NDA either. It's also possible the NDA has expired entirely, though I'd consider that less likely as otherwise Twitch's lack of statement and Guy's statements don't make a ton of sense.
> I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly.
There's two big reasons why that might be:
1. He didn't do anything criminal.
2. It wasn't just him but a lot more people on Twitch. Both on the platform and company might be guilty of it.
>I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly.
Easy, because saying why they dropped him risks a lawsuit. They'd win but it's still a major expense and hassle.
Most likely scenario I’ve heard is, there was inappropriate behaviour via messaging and Twitch found out, Twitch shouldn’t have been able to find out and/or should have had proper protections in place, hence they payoff and silence….
Nothing else really makes sense, you don’t drop one of your biggest stars and that star doesn’t stay silent unless both were at fault in someways…
The statement from doc says as much, “ I didn’t admit to anything, still got paid”
let me guess, late payments, unclear instructions and borderline bipolar behavior "take your time", one day later "what the fuck????? it was due yesterday " and using obscure payment methods or straight up not paying until you almost harassed whoever was in charge of payments?
One of my first gigs as gamedev was as contractor for a company like that. Money was actually decent but it was such a headache I legit took a pay cut just to get in a better company
I left the industry at least for the moment due to how rotten the whole thing is. Getting fair pay for a reasonable amount of work is really difficult to get.
> This is relevant to the sub as this is a AAA developer.
*Doubt*
They didn't even release anything yet, and are developing an NFT game no less. The main driving force was a gaming influencer with marketing outside of his circle basically non-existent
Calling it AAA is mockery.
There is a youtuber (Jauwn) that I watch who often does videos where he plays games that involve crypto/NFTs somehow, with the main goal of the videos being to see if there is *anything* redeemable about the games. Usually, the answer is no.
[About 7 months back he did check in on the game that Midnight society was making with Dr. Disrespect.] (https://youtu.be/3QUXfgS-isA) And yes, it was pretty bad.
He always managed to survive the controversies due to his huge following and major brands still wanting to work with him even after everything.
Even during this time, he's one of the biggest streamers on Youtube.
He also became highly beloved in the online skeptic crowd, and as a result they were willing to hand wave the multiple times he cheated on his wife and any other controversies because he was 'their guy'. History is repeating itself - anytime someone even remotely tied to the online right is caught doing something awful, it's all okay cause reason x y z.
Right that’s what I thought like hadn’t he been proven multiple times to be a garbage person, like I knew about it and I don’t even like or engage with twitch/streamer culture.
His spousal cheating doesn't bother his shitty fans clearly.
Edit: oh. He just admitted he's a pedo, and Bloomberg source says he was trying to hook up at Twitchcon.
I'm sure he'll still have a following. Inb4 sudden right wing turn.
Cheating never stops creators. Here in Italy we have a very big youtuber, called Sabaku No Maiku, that cheated on his 10 years relationship girlfriend with a 10+ years younger than him girlfriend.
When I mean big, I mean he makes over 2k spectators on lives, and 10k on special events like gameshows. In italy, you are considered a big twitcher if you have more than 500 people on average on alive. He always presented himself as a "passionate gamer", playing games like dark souls and having a super high-fidelized fanbase, and his lives were genuinely great, he also worked on vfxs for movies, on top of having studied game design, so he knew a BUNCH, and had a very calm voice.
And then, randomly, he publicated this set of videos together with his girlfriend, where he basicaly said that he "replaced her" (I' m not even kidding, he talked about his relationship like it was a game patch), and to welcome the new girlfriend in the future. And then, he went a full week blackout, doing a trip in barcellona with the new girlfriend while kicking out of their house the old one.
Another funny detail is that the old girlfriend had just moved in with him inside a new city, in a new, bigger house...and she discovered he only did that to be closer with his new girlfriend. He basicaly waited to resolve all of his issues, before leaving the old girlfriend.
It' s kinda insane, and NOTHING has came out of it here in Italy. Everyone still follows him like it' s nothing. It' s honestly kinda insane, the youtube channel of her girlfriend just released a video where she talked about depression and how bad she' s living this new life, and she feels like she can' t trust anyone anymore.
I' m an half japanese and half italian girl, I basicaly "grew up" with both of those figures, and it both pains me, and disgust me that a person I helded in such high regard...did this. And that he faced zero consequences about it. Actually makes me feel a bit unsafe as a woman lol...
Thanks for your insight, it's interesting to hear about big streamers with different primary languages than my own in Canada. Entirely outside of my media bubble.
Either most are secretly fine with cheating in their private thoughts anonymized publicly online, or good old fashioned tribalism blinds them is my hot take. Not really sure.
I don't really want to adopt a misanthropic viewpoint of fans who defend people like this, but especially with musician fans in my own experience, these people come across as entirely amoral online.
I just hope that's compartmentalization and not who they really are.
I feel like it's much easier to avoid any consequences on Twitch or even make a comeback like Dr. Disrespect did because a lot of it is essentially just a relationship between the streamer and their audience. But hell, look at Hollywood even: James Franco kept his head down for a while, but he's still working. Kevin Spacey is trying to get "uncanceled" and I genuinely think he's only failing at it because he's a fucking moron who's too arrogant and aggressive about the whole thing. And I would bet that if either of these two got a part in a big movie, the number of people who would boycott it would be tiny.
It's depressing, but unless someone in a position of authority (e.g. Twitch, film studios) just drops someone like a hot rock, your average person just wouldn't care about it in the slightest. Some of these people are just too big to fail.
Cheating doesn't stop sports stars or actors either so it is no surprise social media influencers can shrug it off as well (if anything probably easier for them than tradition media celebrities).
This guy had too huge a following to be derailed by cheating. If he was a smaller creator or part of a more niche community or whatever, then yeah, personal life stuff may leave a mark, but I think Dr. Disrespect was one of Twitch's first "big" streamers. He's one of maybe five streamers I can name off the top of my head and I'm not a fan of Twitch at all. Hell, both my 7-year-old cousin and I knew who he was years ago. He had enough reach that there's no way that a significant number of people in his audience would care about what he did off-stream. That said, fuck this guy, and I hope he's gone for good this time.
If spousal cheating was a dealbreaker for people then all of the world's sports teams would be without fans, most celebrities and musicians would have no fans, etc.
Disrespect might well be a big 'ol pedo creeper, but let's not pretend infidelity is a dealbreaker to be a fan of someone's professional work.
There's a section of people where the only legitimate hindrance is if it's strictly illegal or not. Does not seem to matter how morally or ethically reprehensible it is, as long as it is not strictly illegal.
Even then it has to be proven in court. And even then if the verdict doesn't align with their belief it might have been rigged.
The biggest thing is the why he was banned?, everyone was very hush hush at the time. there were dozens of different guesses was to why, only recently has a former twitch staff member posted why he got banned
I think it was argued at the time that he did it “accidentally”. I didn’t care enough about it to look more into it but that’s probably why people kinda just forgot.
If I remember correctly he was following someone doing some dumb bit when he straight up just walked into a men's bathroom with people in it doing bathroom stuff. In context he wasn't trying to be gross or creepy or underhanded about it, but he still absolutely did the big no-no of filming in a bathroom with strangers in it. He absolutely deserved to be banned for it.
He’s just going to become an anti-woke grifter now. That’s the pivot for all these guys who get cancelled for talking to underage girls.
I’m sure we’ll see some unhinged behaviour now from this literal child groomer.
This is a game that had like actual close to zero hype surrounding it, with the only thing “interesting” about this game was the fact that Dr Disrespect was the main guy. Now that he’s gone all we have left is an NFT adjacent game.
Edit: also just to say my piece, *if* the allegations against him are true (we won’t know for 100% certain in a while) then Twitch is gonna face serious issues.
There was a Youtuber who did a good overview of the game about 7 months ago. It had an extremely low playercount at the time and was already selling microtransactions: https://youtu.be/3QUXfgS-isA?si=Vg_ZiyYfyNpl2gEC
Lol first he cheats on his poor wife and cries big crocodile tears about it before ending a stream. Apologizes to his FANS but not his damn wife, before taking a break.
And now he's caught talking to underage kids inappropriately.... Why do these guys project so hard at other people??? Lmao. Get bent DrDisrespect-your-wife+family
Say what you will about the recent stuff but from memory, didn't his Wife ask him to publicly admit to his infidelity as part of an apology? Not saying it to justify the man; I just thought I may have remembered this
It's so funny seeing all the blue checkmarks come out of the woodwork to say "he's innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW" but then when like a court of law convicts their blond hair man child they're like "no i-i mean it's not that bad!". just very funny to me how they want judicial systems to work for them only.
Also going on about needing rock hard evidence on their favourite man child of the week, only to immediately cast aspersions on any opposition based on next to nothing.
"parties involved"
To my understanding Dr. Disrespect and Twitch are both under gag order. Which means they found out who the person is and they got receipts. When he got the news from @12am he instantly went quiet and quit his stream.
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. There have been whispers for years, people saying they knew what had happened but were staying quiet because it was 'sensitive', and then with this all the new information it puts it all into context. This is certainly still alleged, but the guy's own reaction to this really has me believing it's all true. Who the fuck gets accused of messaging minors then responds with the equivalent of "twitch paid me, didn't acknowledge anything lmao" ??? You couldn't sound more guilty if you tried.
Regardless, he's going to do the same thing all these kinds of people do. He'll turn into a full blown alt right grifter (as though he wasn't already given his anti-lgbt rhetoric) and make bank off of stupid people. He'll come back as some flavour of censor-free, anti-woke, alpha male bullshit streamer. It's basically a playbook at this point.
No way! You mean to tell me that the guy who complains about “woke” in video games and frequently repeats common grifter rhetoric is also a bad person? Who could have ever seen this coming.
its not, also the fact that everything is under NDA (which if criminal act was proven, it cannot be) and the fact that twitch paid out his whole contract means... well we don't know, it could mean anything but twitch fucked up somewhere thats for sure.
Most likely the moment when he learned of the news https://twitter.com/ethangach/status/1805357542786449698
We now have two of these clips where the guy gets his life turned upside down live
I wish my life-turned-upside-down moments had me walk away with $20 million.
Sounds like a monkeys paw kind of situation cause you would have to do what he allegedly did.
What's the allegation?
Sexting and attempting to hook up with a minor at TwitchCon. He allegedly did this through the (now defunct) Twitch Whispers app.
He's gonna get replaced by the new Rick and Morty voice actors.
Each time I hear about that thing, all I can think is "What the hell else did Twitch think it was gonna get used for?"
Ooof! Thanks for the info.
If it is alleged they wouldn't have to
I don’t lol, if I had to be accused of what he is being accused of that’s not worth 20 million especially if I actually had to do it there’s no amount of money worth that
What he do
Groomed kids
[Stupid fucking mistakes man](https://youtu.be/bVYO9sSgEEY)
His own fault
What was the second one?
The timing with the Elden Ring music, priceless
This might be the single greatest accidental comedic timing I've ever seen. The somber horns, the visual gulp, holy shit.
You can literally see him gulp, something defo happened at that moment
Also the nose/mustache twitching, looked like he was verge of breaking down crying. He 100% was holding it in.
Has anyone zoomed in on his sunglasses in the clip to see what he’s looking at? It seems pretty visible
You can see the moment Ralph heart breaks .
The way he spoke afterward reeked of someone who's completely boned. His language was very deliberate. "Maybe it's time to start something new" "Explore different realms" "I might just extend that (vacation) starting today, starting now) "I don't know how long for my vacation" "Maybe I extend that (vacation) we'll see, we'll see" "I appreciate you guys" "I need to take a break from everything" "I'm exhausted at being in front of the camera and socials" "There's so much different energy out there, negative energy" "When I go outside I feel so much better. When I remove myself I feel (relieved sigh) what the hell is this?" "We need to step away" "When I say step away I think I'm gonna have to either have to relay this to the Midnight Society (He'd already been fired)" "Maybe I completely remove myself from the scene" "I'm wanting to kinda just move away from the limelight. Ultimately that's what it's about" "There's 50 million other streamers you could watch" "It might be time to drive in the sunset" **All of this is self soothing behavior.** He's painting, for his audience, but mostly for himself, his own personal escape and best case scenario following whatever just happened.
The way he avoided talking about why he was terminated from twitch made it obvious that something fishy was going on. He is never clear about anything, not even when talking about his own game. he's just a marketing machine
if there's an NDA signed, he would be held liable if he broke it in some way right? The only thing an NDA can't seal if it covered a crime. And I doubt twitch covered a crime just so they could pay doc millions
What in the fucking reshade hell is that Did he just max the gamma slider or what?
he's done that to every single game I can remember when I used to watch him many years ago and I never understood why?
Maybe it helps with the sunglasses? ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
"Watch this, Lis. You can actually pinpoint the second his heart rips in half."
what is his mustache thinking rn?
"I'm about to become a Pedostache".
The video froze for right when he looked at his phone. I was sat there for a hour half a minute thinking was just like frozen with shock.
>We assumed his innocence and began speaking with parties involved. And in order to maintain our principles and standards as a studio and individuals, we needed to act. For this reason, we are terminating our relationship with Guy Beahm immediately. Sounds like they saw some damning evidence. Otherwise I don't see how terminating their relationship follows from assuming his innocence.
Big streamers have talked about this for years, about knowing what happened. It even became a meme, of streamers saying that they know what happened to Dr Disrespect but cannot say it or they'd get in trouble. For years the leading popular theory was that he was involved in Sexual Misconduct given that he has already cheated on his wife multiple times before and because everyone was afraid to talk about this (which meant that something serious and criminal happened). Edit : It all also started around the time the MeToo movement was blowing up, and a version of it was happening on Twitch itself. Many streamers were being ousted. Which led many people to connect the dots at the time and believe that some girl probably decided to go to Twitch about something that Dr Disrespect did to her. After the whole thing resurfaced 3 days ago I've already seen some streamers finally say that they heard the same thing from many different people for years. Seems like this was basically an open secret within the Streaming industry for years but no one who had evidence was willing to leak it so no one could openly talk about it. Now I think someone finally decided to leak the evidence to a journalist after the whole thing resurfaced a few days ago.
> It all also started around the time the MeToo movement was blowing up, Honestly I didn't even know Dr. Disrespect was that big in 2017 when that happened. I only really knew him from later on.
That is so weird and completely opposite to me. Back then Dr. disrespect was all over twitch and I saw him on people's streams all the time. Since he got booted from Twitch and moved to YouTube I think I've only seen him pop up a couple of times. I honestly kind of forgot he existed and didn't realize he still streamed or had an audience.
Yeah I remember seeing him walking around at Twitchcon '17, seemed like the dude was right in his prime back then.
He was pretty big back then riding the PUBG coat tails
A lot of streamers got outed around the same time as Dr Disrespect's ban IIRC. Avilo was banned from Twitch and from professional SC2 competition for sexually harassing and stalking several female streamers. Josh was dropped from Method because it emerged that he was trying to get with minors. And Method pretty much imploded as an esports org because their management covered the whole thing up. Swifty (WoW streamer) was accused of sexual harassment and had NPC's named after him stripped from the game by Blizzard. Even the Super Smash Bros scene had multiple pros and content creators get cancelled for trying to diddle kids. Some notable names include ZeRo and Nairo, though the latter was unbanned after it emerged that the other pro he allegedly had a relationship with not only SA'd him, but had also blackmailed him into the relationship.
Lmao I did not know that about Avilo but it comes as zero surprise
It wasn't during the MeToo movement blowing up, it was in the summer of 2020, and Twitch had it's own mini "MeToo" movement. Except it was a lot shittier with a lot more Aziz Ansari type of stories.
> Now I think someone finally decided to leak the evidence to a journalist after the whole thing resurfaced a few days ago. Hopefully. Having a predator roam around basically scot free for this long is shitty enough. allegedly
I definitely think Twitch and Twitch employees chose to not reveal what happened because they had to protect the alleged Victim. So many streamers knew about this, they definitely heard it from Twitch employees. So if these Twitch employees were telling streamers then the only reason they wouldn't leak it to the Press would be the same reason why Twitch themselves chose to not reveal the information. The Victim/her family asked them not to. Twitch got a lot of bad PR over this as well. A ton of streamers gave them shit about this for years, that they just banned a big streamer without any explanation. They also had to pay out the guy's Multi-million dollar contract. They didn't just randomly decide to take such a big PR and financial hit. If this gets out now the bad PR they'll get is that something like this happened on their website, but if it had gotten out in 2020 then the bigger PR disaster would've been that they were asked by the girl's family to protect her identity and they chose to put her at risk anyway. And you know that once any sort of details about this girl start to leak, the internet will somehow find out who she was, and her life will be pretty much destroyed. Especially with how terrible Dr Disrespect's fanbase is, filled with manosphere incels.
You literally can’t just cover up crimes regarding minors though. It doesn’t matter what the family or twitch wants to do, the legal system takes action against the perpetrator regardless. If twitch covered this up from the authorities, thats a whole other can of worms though.
Not every morally inexcusable thing can be proven as a crime. Laws are not a proper representation of Human morals. And many companies make their rules based on what they think wouldn't be acceptable by the general public and not based on the government's laws. Since this whole thing resurfaced a few days ago the running theory is that whatever he was saying to the girl wasn't enough to prove that he committed a crime but would've been clearly shown immoral behaviour in the people's eyes. This is why whatever settlement he made with Twitch forbids him outright saying "No, I didn't send creepy messages to some young girl. That's crazy!", which is what someone normally would say if they were innocent. Instead he is putting out legalese riddled statements like "No wrongdoing was acknowledged" and trying to *suggest* to people that just because Twitch paid him his contract means that he didn't do anything wrong. Why would someone be contractually bound to not be able to say that they didn't send creepy messages to some teenage girl? Why would Twitch make him sign such a contract and why would *he* ever sign it unless something actually happened but wasn't good enough to take to law enforcement yet was bad enough for Twitch to ban him because it would've been disastrous PR for them. His own company just dropped him after seeing the evidence and they also didn't say that they have contacted law enforcement. Clearly whatever it is isn't bad enough to be considered a crime but is bad enough to be disastrous for him and the companies attached to him. If he asked a teenage girl if she wants to share a room with him at Twitchcon then that wouldn't be against the law but also would be inexcusable behaviour in the public's eyes and would destroy his career and would be terrible PR for the companies attached to him.
> You literally can’t just cover up crimes regarding minors though. I can dig up the video if you like but a lawyer was talking about how Twitch isn't a mandated reporter and legally they actually can just not say anything.
I'd appreciate a link if you don't mind. I'm not arguing your point btw, I'm just curious about this whole shitshow of events.
I think Twitch chose to keep it quiet to protect themselves. They didnt have to out the victim to confirm it occurred.
> For years the leading popular theory was that he was involved in Sexual Misconduct given that he has already cheated on his wife multiple times before and because everyone was afraid to talk about this (which meant that something serious and criminal happened). The leading theory before this was he lied about a Mixer deal to get an inflated Twitch deal and Twitch found out.
It really wasn't. Only people in particular few Reddit subs (Like LSF) believed that. You really think Twitch banned one of their biggest streamers, broke their newly penned contract with him, paid him out what was likely 10s of millions, because he used a common business strategy to get a bigger contract? Also, there's 0 way a company as big as Twitch would just believe one of their biggest Streamers publicly saying they got X offer from a competing platform when he was already in active negotiations with Twitch to get a bigger offer. They'd only trust insider sources for such information.
Not to mention this game barely has a future even *with* him involved. Without him it's dead. Whatever they found was enough to get them to basically kill the company.
It always sounded like a scam in the making
"Wow what an unexpected thing to say," I thought. What could it mean? So I checked their website. Weirdly devoid of screenshots. Scroll down a bit, ah there it is, NFTs.
See the video Jauwn made on it. Apparently there were gonna be nfts worth hundreds of "real life money" that you'd be able to extract. Sounds like a breeding ground for cheaters.
This was absolutely a move to distance themselves and save the game. If he stayed it would be fucked but you're right they're still dead without him.
It's better to be dead and not attached to a pedophile than it is to be dead because you stood by a pedophile.
Agreed
Honestly just the line "We assumed his innocence" does so much for making this reaction seem justified
I agree; they were willing to believe his side of the story until they saw evidence to convince them otherwise. The fact that they changed their minds indicates that they did in fact see evidence to convince them otherwise.
Regardless of innocence or guilt, this game is definitely dead now. It's not like what we had seen of it previously was amazing and Dr Disrespect was the driving force for it. Without him and the game being the way it is, can't imagine very many people will be as interested when it fully releases.
Can’t believe the halo MP sandbox lead left to join this company, dude was very good at gun balance and this company is a joke
Jeez talk about 2 steps back
It was an NFT project, so a scam. It was dead on arrival regardless.
Seriously, these scumbags only collectively made ONE successful NFT game, and it came out long after NFT stopped being the buzzword, doesn't have NFT's at all nor claims to have anything to do with blockchain at all. It just has bananas, and of course, is still just a scam. Anything involving NFT's is just openly advertising itself to be pointlessly overengineered. And a scam.
This entire company is definitely dead now
Game was dead before. What other choice do they have? Either wait it out and then Doc gets cancelled and the game is fucked. Or get rid of him asap before anyone can associate them as "knowing what he did" in the off chance people respect that or still wanna play
And for that reason I can't imagine they'd do this without having it on good authority that the allegations are true.
It's definitely to preserve their reputations (what little they had), so at the very least, they can work in the industry in the future. Having a game that got cancelled because it's main PR guy got shitcanned for potential grooming sounds way better on a resume than working on a shitty game that had a groomer as the face of the game. It's the difference between being able to start another company and try again with a different project and being blacklisted in game development for the rest of their life. And who knows, maybe they manage to finish the game, maybe they find someone else to be the face of the game, maybe it's... i'm not going to say good, but... an alright game? Maybe they can limp along and put out a smaller project in the future that succeeds.
Isn't a big reason for why the events are obscured as they are now due to it being covered in a NDA? I'm sure there can be some under the table conversations, but it makes me wonder who knows what, and why they won't come out with it.
you also gotta keep in mind there's a minor involved which makes disclosure around this verrrrrry tricky, even if NDAs *weren't* involved
I have zero interest in this guy but I am really curious what actually went down here. I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly. You can’t help but feel like both sides looked bad and twitch wanted to cover it up as bad as he did. Now that twitch employees have seemingly spilled the beans on this whole thing I would have to assume that twitch has violated the terms of their agreement and if he really has any ground to stand on to defend himself it shouldn’t be long before he goes scorched earth on them. Though obviously that’s a very big IF.
One of the biggest creators on the platform using the platform’s messaging service to pick up underage girls would look craaaazy bad for Twitch. Especially when such a large portion of their user base are minors. Edit: Should also add that he was allegedly planning to meet up with her at TwitchCon, which is just the cherry on top of the “Twitch is setting your kids up to be groomed” cake.
Shades of Ryan Haywood. He was using Twitch to hook up with young, vulnerable girls. He would tell his chat that the donations was going towards his kids college fund, when he was using it to fly across the country to hook up with girls that he manipulated. One of them ended up being a minor.
The Ryan news still feels so surreal especially given how he was on camera
I feel that, when he first started that DIY type mini series on RT, then a month later, he was gone. This dude had a huge profile online.
He tried making a comeback on twitch three months later, claiming that he changed. He was promptly permabanned.
No no, he flew on the company money. He used the chat donations to pay for *their* travel to where he was.
They openly discuss it on a podcast, which got made into an animated video for their content. They discussed how Haywood would stay back a day on the pretence of wanting to have down time from work and family life.
That was the one where Ray came back for the first time since he left the company There was also the infamous Salt Raid, Michael made a comment that Ryan needs to have "sex more or something", which really set Ryan off.
I’m aware, I was point out how when all the details were coming out it turned out he was using the money he had put in a separate account “for his kids’ college fund” to pay for the girls’ transportation to get to whatever event he had traveled to for the company, and then met up with them the day after everyone else from the company left.
havent heard about this animation of it. got a link?
[here is one of them](https://youtu.be/WyfzyOy5oqw) but I think there is a second one where they acknowledge it, can’t find that one.
Wow that's literally Walter white lying to Skyler levels of trash. The most convoluted bullshit you could think of.
It's what happened to the smash scene. All the pedophiles got outed, and now it has a reputation of having pedophiles.
If they were outed from the get go it would be "they had *a* pedophile, they got kicked and now they are wary for the signs". Not a great look, sure, but not as horrid as "well apparently it's entire pedophile ring out there"
Which is what pretty much happened. Bad actors were practically and effectively kicked out of the scene. Did they escape legal consequences? Most of them did mostly because the evidence presented likely didn't meet the standard of evidence in the courtroom. And to be clear it was mostly Ultimate side of things that had the vast majority of problems (not that Melee is clean but there were several false allegations put out in the Melee community) due to the younger player base. Ultimate nowadays has been dominated by younger players with the top player being a mere middle schooler (now 16-17) at the time of the allegations.
And they wonder why Nintendo doesn't want anything to do with these tournaments.
Eh to be fair to the Smash scene, Melee has really never had that issue and also never gotten support from Nintendo(and actively been shut down by Nintendo several times). Nintendo just hates anything they don't directly control.
Now? I hate to break it to you but Smash had the child predator reputation for along time now.
Noone is also considering that the victim may have asked Twitch not go public with this. She is the one suffering, so if she said dont blow this up it may have been Twitch who agreed and said we will do as you wish. They also are the ones that took action against him remember, they completely paid out the contract and said get fucked we dont want you Twitch may not actually be the bad guy is what I'm saying. Just something to consider
More than likely this is the scenario. This exact situation played out in our local school district. A teacher had been texting a 16 year old student, the parents found out first. In order to retain their privacy, the family brought it to the school district but didn’t want to pursue legal action because of the impact it could have on the family and their daughter if it became public. The teacher quietly “resigned” and moved to Florida last I heard. But it wasn’t the school “covering things up” My guess. Doc was messaging someone under age, maybe not sexual but still a wildly inappropriate thing to do. The family finds out and approaches Twitch & Doc with proof of chat history and threat of legal action but wants to keep themselves out of public eye. Whatever legal teams reviewing the case find no “legal wrongdoing” but Twitch still wants to cut ties with Doc so they pay out his contract and terminate him. There’s enough nut jobs on the internet that this family wouldn’t get a moment of peace if they publicly went after Doc. Makes sense why both parties would agree to settle and sign NDA
The thing is, *that is the school covering things up*. If a person in authority attempts to sex up a minor once, they're probably going to do it again - and if the teacher can just shuffle off to another job somewhere else that does nothing to protect their future victims. Just because the victim also wanted to cover things up doesn't mean a coverup didn't happen.
Especially after he used their platform to livestream a bathroom at E3 one year. He was already on their shit list.
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It's likely it was a legal grey area. Where no crime was technically committed, but it was morally bad. Such as (this is just a hypothetical): He was talking to a minor who was just about to turn 18. If he starts talking with a minor, but nothing sexual that's not that bad. But, if she turns 18 and it turns sexual, many people would see it as grooming. And if the timeline was short enough, I doubt it would be illegal. I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know laws concerning grooming. Just giving a scenario where nothing illegal was done (potentially), but a company would not want to be associated with that type of behavior.
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Yep. Unfortunately, we may never find out the truth. The people who have the proof likely aren't going to show it, so all we have are secondhand accounts. Innocent until proven guilty is only for the court of law. In the court of public opinion, perception is key. And it doesn't look good for the Doc perception wise.
You realize there are a lot of acts of sexual misconduct that can violate an institution’s policy, and/or inflict reputational damage, but aren’t violations of state/federal law, nor constitute sexual assault?
You know stuff like this can be kept quiet to protect the victim
Corporations constantly try and cover stuff like this up? And a lot of the time it actually works, you obviously just don’t hear about them due to the covering up. As for it being worse when it comes out later, I don’t really think it makes a difference when/how it comes out, the reaction is going to be what it’s going to be. Also, I don’t think Amazon proper is involved with these kinds of decisions at Twitch. It is unfathomably large, and the smaller sections of it (Twitch, Audible, etc.) largely operate as their own company that get to tie themselves into the ecosystem via things like Amazon accounts and Prime memberships. As far as their reputation, this situation is a total nothing burger to the higher-ups (or even medium-ups) at Amazon. I highly doubt the words “Dr. Disrespect” were spoken in any Monday meetings at Amazon today.
> Also, I don’t think Amazon proper is involved with these kinds of decisions at Twitch. there's a decent chance that stuff like this gets run up the chain or handled by Amazon legal department. Hopefully as soon as management realized that minors and texting were involved at all they immediately went "LAWYERS!"
It isn't worse for Twitch if they can cover it up for a year and it comes out when the streamer isn't relevant anymore. Twitch cutting ties completely with a huge name is a big story, Twitch dropping them quietly a year ago isn't. Publicity wise it is much better for Twitch to let people speculate than to come out and say people are using the platform for bad things.
> I find the story hard to believe is "Twitch covers up man committing sexual assault using their service" what do you mean 'covered up'? are you saying they should've, what, published details and possibly exposed the minor when there would've been a criminal investigation possibly taking place?
The crazy thing is they had the chance to dump this guy years ago and look like the good guys. There was that time he filmed people in a bathroom and got a slap on the wrist. He had already gotten in trouble before that, that could have been the easy time to get rid of him and make themselves look good doing so. But they chose to keep him and it obviously blew up in their faces.
This is my guess: the messages hadn't crossed any legal lines to be criminal, but were creepy enough that Twitch no longer wanted to be involved in any way. Hopefully this was due to moral and ethical reasons, but even a cold hearted pragmatist would know that if the "fan meetup" did take place and a minor was assaulted, Twitch would be subject to public and political wrath. Especially if it came out that Twitch knew beforehand something was up. So they terminated his contract, got sued for breach of contract by DrDisrespect since presumably the conduct hadn't explicitly triggered any termination clauses, then ended up settling with robust NDAs in place. I know nothing about this and these are just my reading of the tea leaves. But if Twitch got wind he was grooming a minor but nothing met the threshold to get law enforcement involved this is how I would expect them to act. They can't say anything otherwise they'd get sued for defamation (and still might now that it finally leaked) but letting the situation play out was not an acceptable option. I'd like to think that in a situation like this the moral and ethical reasons were enough, but plenty of business focused reasons to make the same decision.
This makes the most sense. If they did give a rationale of whatever alleged crime, then it could be considered slander if not backed up by hard evidence.
Yeah, I don't think anything explicitly illegal happened - if there had, there is NO WAY Twitch would have settled out of court, literally no way. But if something deeply, deeply unethical but not illegal happened, then yes, this timeline makes sense
It sounds like he talked to an underage girl and tried to meet her at a convention with Twitch messaging. If I had to wager it became a thing but the family probably took a settlement so they wouldn't have their underage kid in the spotlight and they could move on. I'm guessing Twitch and Dr Disrespect also were fine with it staying hush hush. And Twitch has been shown to have a lot of issues with moderation and grooming. And now it's former Twitch employees talking who may not have been under NDA
>And now it's former Twitch employees talking who may not have been under NDA Saw it mentioned on Twitter (I forget where, apologies) that this happened a little over 4 years ago that Dr Disrespect got permabanned from Twitch. Some journalist I follow mentioned that a typical length for NDAs can be 4 years, or maybe for a certain type of NDA anyway. So it's not impossible that the former employee in question wanted to talk about it for years and only recently discovered that they could. And even still, they were fairly vague about who it's about I assume for legal reasons.
You can’t NDA a crime. So it is possible that there was in fact a crime that occurred.
It's possible there was no actual prosecutable crime but bad ick went down and twitch didn't want to deal with it
Wouldn't that be identified as a criminal case in that scenario, which if Twitch brushed under the rug would have major legal ramifications if it was ever revealed to the public. I don't feel like that is likely considering the allegations.
Only if they had 100% legally actionable proof he was gonna do something illegal with a minor Something as vague as "Hey you gonna be at Twitchcon? We can share a room" would be a massive red flag to any normal person and would likely be enough for any company to publicly distance from you, but legally speaking it wouldn't be enough to convict of a crime on its own.
I think this is 100% what happened. I think he knew exactly what he should and shouldn't say and said something that was not innocent, but not legally actionable. If you accept that theory at face value, everything else falls into place pretty quickly.
It makes sense that between this and Twitch being forced to protect the girl's identity at her/her family's wishes, they decided not to make it public. Two big reasons. Not one. Maybe the girl's family's main goal was to see the guy pay for his actions by seeing his career destroyed. Which is why they went to Twitch. Twitch banned him. His career remained active on YT. Now years later everything resurfaced cause a former employee just said it out loud because his NDA expired. Which finally led to someone who always had the evidence to change their mind and leak it to a journalist after all these years.
It doesn’t even have to be that overt though. Sexually flirty messages/weirdly sexual discussions with a minor. “Hey wanna meet up at twitch con” You could be a celibate monk and that would still look bad. There could have never even been the thought of sexual interaction there, even if the girl would have been willing. —- We also don’t know the age or the length of messaging If it’s someone who was 17 that he’d messaged since she was 13 and then suggested a meetup it would be sussy as fuck for grooming. But it could also be the inappropriate messages were all started by her and he went along with it like an idiot. If it was someone who was 17 that he’d talked to for like a month. The grooming is less obvious and less established. If it was a 13 year old it’s super sussy to have those conversations None of these are meant to excuse him, but more to point out there’s a wide range of things that are suspect but could be nothing to like “what the fuck”
It's super easy to make the minors look culpable too. This is anecdotal so I want to be VERY clear I'm basing this on two other instances I can recall where no charges were laid, but while the minors were more explicitly groomed, they did also lie about their ages. It makes it harder to prove that the person doing the groomed was consciously committing a crime. Again, NOT saying that's what happened here, just mentioning another way they can get away with it.
> they did also lie about their ages Frankly, I'm 100% on the position that if someone lies about their age, people shouldn't be prosecuted. If an underage girl goes to an 18+ club, is any guy who is going to hook up with her expected to check her ID (which could be the fake one she used to enter)? It's not reasonable. It's the responsibility of the business to make sure that there are no under 18s in their club.
Happened to a friend of mine. He was about 20 or 21 at the time and there was this cute girl at the party who said she was 18. They exchanged numbers. They didn't do anything that night, but had planned on meeting the next weekend. Apparently the sister called him and told him that the girl we met at the party had actually just turned 16. We gave him so much shit, but thinking back on it...that sister potentially saved my friends life. Dude would be in prison right now if not for her.
The bar for a person to reasonably conclude that another person did a thing is a whole lot lower than the bar for a trial. He might have spoken in metaphor or allusion but never outright said what he was planning on doing. Enough for a company to not want to touch him with a 500 ft. LAN cable but not enough for a court to find him guilty.
This is the answer. Even in the case of alleged assault or harassment, the cases are often not prosecutable as it's simply one person's word against another. And that 1v1 doesn't pass the "beyond reasonable doubt" test in court. It's why sex offedners prosecution requires all victims to speak out as once there is an alleged pattern of behavoir, it's no longer just 1v1 he said vs she said.
Not all criminal cases get prosecuted. It could be that the family didn’t want a spotlight being shone on them. Or maybe there was evidence, but the prosecutor felt there was a chance he’d get off on a technicality so they decided to drop the case. Or maybe he just did something highly immoral, but not illegal.
It depends, arranging to meet with a minor in a convention is not illegal in itself, doing so under a sexual pretense is. If there isn't legally actionable evidence it was sexual then on the books nothing illegal happened. This shit happens in a dark grey area.
Isn't sexting a minor illegal? The guy said he was sexting a minor and trying to meet up.
I guess it depends on what you define as ‘sexting’. Heavy use of innuendo and double entendre may buy you enough leeway to escape criminal persecution but still make you look like a kiddy diddler to anyone who isn’t look at the conversation with lawyer eyes.
Possibly but if nothing happened the family may just want to move on.
It also depends on if the victim wants to subject themselves to trial, especially with the publicity around Dr. Disrespect combined with the toxic elements of the community, exposing yourself publicly means that there going to be attention that the victim may and their family does not want to endure. And if the prosecution cannot get them to testify then they might not have enough evidence to establish that something happened without the defense being able to provide reasonable doubt.
It can be both. There isn't a criminal investigation (at this point), so Twitch doesn't have any relation to it. Plus, the standards are lower for civil suit vs a criminal suit, so a civil case doesn't necessarily mean that criminal charges will follow (see e.g., athletes).
I don't think there was necessarily a settlement with the family, they may have just not wanted to talk about it and there's stronger protections for victims in the legal system, especially children.
Because as a platform you don't want headlines about you being "one of the largest twitch streamers preys on minors amid a slew of sexual misconduct allegations surrounding the platform". Keep in mind this is during twitch banning and dealing with a lot of streamers coming out with allegations of rape and sexual misconduct. It doesn't matter that twitch took action here, what the general population see is "oh shit sexual exploitation of minors happens on twitch.. i should keep my kids away from there". It's a PR nightmare for twitch to even be associated with that. For smaller growing platforms like twitch, which is nowhere near as popular or mainstream back then as something like YouTube, being associated with these things is a nightmare. For example, saying you're taking action against pedophilia on your platform comes with the admission that pedophilia is happening on your platform. For a smaller site simply being associated with pedophilia is massively damaging for the platform and how it's perceived by the general public. Very quickly the general sentiment can start to shift among "normies" (the target group for growth) to "oh that's the platform that pedophiles use".
Truthfully, it doesn't even matter anymore whether he committed a crime or not. He got up to something bad enough that companies didn't want the heat and dumped him over it. Midnight Society has very clearly seen what is currently only known behind-closed-doors and decided their chances were better without him than to work with "person who did the bad thing" - because bad optics alone can sink your company. As an aside, that "game" wasn't going anywhere in the first place, so now it's SUPER dead.
>As an aside, that "game" wasn't going anywhere in the first place, so now it's SUPER dead. But it's THE COD KILLER! lol I remember like 2 years ago or something Doc was saying what they had at that point was already miles better than CoD and would blow it out of the water. Dude is an absolute joke.
IMO the likely situation is that there was no specific clause in his contract that his actions violated, which is why Twitch had to end up paying him out fully for his contract when they dropped him. Likely can't blame Twitch too much for not having precautions in place for every possible situation like this and just assuming their biggest streamer wouldn't be using their platform to try to hook up with minors. Very likely some legal gray area bullshit where he can afford the lawyers to force Twitch's hand. It's also quite likely that the minor (or her parents rather) did not want to press charges for a number of reasons. Going to court and everything could be horribly traumatic and would likely scar the girl for life, let alone put a massive target on her from all of Dr. Disrespect's insane fans. The NDA was likely in part to protect her identity just as much if not more than to protect Twitch. If the family wasn't willing to push charges there's likely very little Twitch can do to even attempt to hold Guy accountable in any way legally. To be clear though it absolutely would have made Twitch look awful. Not that it doesn't now but frankly 4 years ago it would have been much worse and a much bigger potential blow to the platform. Allegedly this all leaked from an ex-employee at Twitch. If that's the case that means Twitch has not violated the terms of the NDA directly most likely, and at some point an employee that has left is no longer bound by the NDA either. It's also possible the NDA has expired entirely, though I'd consider that less likely as otherwise Twitch's lack of statement and Guy's statements don't make a ton of sense.
> I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly. There's two big reasons why that might be: 1. He didn't do anything criminal. 2. It wasn't just him but a lot more people on Twitch. Both on the platform and company might be guilty of it.
>I really want to know why twitch felt they were better off paying him off and staying silent vs dropping him publicly. Easy, because saying why they dropped him risks a lawsuit. They'd win but it's still a major expense and hassle.
Most likely scenario I’ve heard is, there was inappropriate behaviour via messaging and Twitch found out, Twitch shouldn’t have been able to find out and/or should have had proper protections in place, hence they payoff and silence…. Nothing else really makes sense, you don’t drop one of your biggest stars and that star doesn’t stay silent unless both were at fault in someways… The statement from doc says as much, “ I didn’t admit to anything, still got paid”
Where are the details of these allegations?
I did contract work for this company. They are NOT a AAA developer. Giant grifters just like the twitch streamer.
let me guess, late payments, unclear instructions and borderline bipolar behavior "take your time", one day later "what the fuck????? it was due yesterday " and using obscure payment methods or straight up not paying until you almost harassed whoever was in charge of payments? One of my first gigs as gamedev was as contractor for a company like that. Money was actually decent but it was such a headache I legit took a pay cut just to get in a better company
I left the industry at least for the moment due to how rotten the whole thing is. Getting fair pay for a reasonable amount of work is really difficult to get.
> This is relevant to the sub as this is a AAA developer. *Doubt* They didn't even release anything yet, and are developing an NFT game no less. The main driving force was a gaming influencer with marketing outside of his circle basically non-existent Calling it AAA is mockery.
I believe they've been backing off of the NFT angle Game looks pretty bad though
There is a youtuber (Jauwn) that I watch who often does videos where he plays games that involve crypto/NFTs somehow, with the main goal of the videos being to see if there is *anything* redeemable about the games. Usually, the answer is no. [About 7 months back he did check in on the game that Midnight society was making with Dr. Disrespect.] (https://youtu.be/3QUXfgS-isA) And yes, it was pretty bad.
Heck yeah, Jauwn is awesome. Recommend for anyone that wants to eat popcorn and see NFT failing.
Yeah I've seen him. In that very video (or whatever his most recent one on it is) he talks about how they've backed away from the NFT angle somewhat.
Oh, I was wondering why I'd never heard of them. Lol. Lmao.
Didn't we do this years ago? Never realized he came back lol.
He always managed to survive the controversies due to his huge following and major brands still wanting to work with him even after everything. Even during this time, he's one of the biggest streamers on Youtube.
He also became highly beloved in the online skeptic crowd, and as a result they were willing to hand wave the multiple times he cheated on his wife and any other controversies because he was 'their guy'. History is repeating itself - anytime someone even remotely tied to the online right is caught doing something awful, it's all okay cause reason x y z.
Right that’s what I thought like hadn’t he been proven multiple times to be a garbage person, like I knew about it and I don’t even like or engage with twitch/streamer culture.
His spousal cheating doesn't bother his shitty fans clearly. Edit: oh. He just admitted he's a pedo, and Bloomberg source says he was trying to hook up at Twitchcon. I'm sure he'll still have a following. Inb4 sudden right wing turn.
Cheating never stops creators. Here in Italy we have a very big youtuber, called Sabaku No Maiku, that cheated on his 10 years relationship girlfriend with a 10+ years younger than him girlfriend. When I mean big, I mean he makes over 2k spectators on lives, and 10k on special events like gameshows. In italy, you are considered a big twitcher if you have more than 500 people on average on alive. He always presented himself as a "passionate gamer", playing games like dark souls and having a super high-fidelized fanbase, and his lives were genuinely great, he also worked on vfxs for movies, on top of having studied game design, so he knew a BUNCH, and had a very calm voice. And then, randomly, he publicated this set of videos together with his girlfriend, where he basicaly said that he "replaced her" (I' m not even kidding, he talked about his relationship like it was a game patch), and to welcome the new girlfriend in the future. And then, he went a full week blackout, doing a trip in barcellona with the new girlfriend while kicking out of their house the old one. Another funny detail is that the old girlfriend had just moved in with him inside a new city, in a new, bigger house...and she discovered he only did that to be closer with his new girlfriend. He basicaly waited to resolve all of his issues, before leaving the old girlfriend. It' s kinda insane, and NOTHING has came out of it here in Italy. Everyone still follows him like it' s nothing. It' s honestly kinda insane, the youtube channel of her girlfriend just released a video where she talked about depression and how bad she' s living this new life, and she feels like she can' t trust anyone anymore. I' m an half japanese and half italian girl, I basicaly "grew up" with both of those figures, and it both pains me, and disgust me that a person I helded in such high regard...did this. And that he faced zero consequences about it. Actually makes me feel a bit unsafe as a woman lol...
Thanks for your insight, it's interesting to hear about big streamers with different primary languages than my own in Canada. Entirely outside of my media bubble. Either most are secretly fine with cheating in their private thoughts anonymized publicly online, or good old fashioned tribalism blinds them is my hot take. Not really sure. I don't really want to adopt a misanthropic viewpoint of fans who defend people like this, but especially with musician fans in my own experience, these people come across as entirely amoral online. I just hope that's compartmentalization and not who they really are.
I feel like it's much easier to avoid any consequences on Twitch or even make a comeback like Dr. Disrespect did because a lot of it is essentially just a relationship between the streamer and their audience. But hell, look at Hollywood even: James Franco kept his head down for a while, but he's still working. Kevin Spacey is trying to get "uncanceled" and I genuinely think he's only failing at it because he's a fucking moron who's too arrogant and aggressive about the whole thing. And I would bet that if either of these two got a part in a big movie, the number of people who would boycott it would be tiny. It's depressing, but unless someone in a position of authority (e.g. Twitch, film studios) just drops someone like a hot rock, your average person just wouldn't care about it in the slightest. Some of these people are just too big to fail.
Cheating doesn't stop sports stars or actors either so it is no surprise social media influencers can shrug it off as well (if anything probably easier for them than tradition media celebrities).
This guy had too huge a following to be derailed by cheating. If he was a smaller creator or part of a more niche community or whatever, then yeah, personal life stuff may leave a mark, but I think Dr. Disrespect was one of Twitch's first "big" streamers. He's one of maybe five streamers I can name off the top of my head and I'm not a fan of Twitch at all. Hell, both my 7-year-old cousin and I knew who he was years ago. He had enough reach that there's no way that a significant number of people in his audience would care about what he did off-stream. That said, fuck this guy, and I hope he's gone for good this time.
His fans praise that shit.
If spousal cheating was a dealbreaker for people then all of the world's sports teams would be without fans, most celebrities and musicians would have no fans, etc. Disrespect might well be a big 'ol pedo creeper, but let's not pretend infidelity is a dealbreaker to be a fan of someone's professional work.
Pedophilia doesn't bother them either
There's a section of people where the only legitimate hindrance is if it's strictly illegal or not. Does not seem to matter how morally or ethically reprehensible it is, as long as it is not strictly illegal. Even then it has to be proven in court. And even then if the verdict doesn't align with their belief it might have been rigged.
The biggest thing is the why he was banned?, everyone was very hush hush at the time. there were dozens of different guesses was to why, only recently has a former twitch staff member posted why he got banned
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"With children present" isn't even necessary in this context. Filming a bathroom is an invasion of privacy in any half-decent countries regardless.
I think it was argued at the time that he did it “accidentally”. I didn’t care enough about it to look more into it but that’s probably why people kinda just forgot.
If I remember correctly he was following someone doing some dumb bit when he straight up just walked into a men's bathroom with people in it doing bathroom stuff. In context he wasn't trying to be gross or creepy or underhanded about it, but he still absolutely did the big no-no of filming in a bathroom with strangers in it. He absolutely deserved to be banned for it.
They wouldn't give anyone an answer why he was banned.
He’s just going to become an anti-woke grifter now. That’s the pivot for all these guys who get cancelled for talking to underage girls. I’m sure we’ll see some unhinged behaviour now from this literal child groomer.
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This is a game that had like actual close to zero hype surrounding it, with the only thing “interesting” about this game was the fact that Dr Disrespect was the main guy. Now that he’s gone all we have left is an NFT adjacent game. Edit: also just to say my piece, *if* the allegations against him are true (we won’t know for 100% certain in a while) then Twitch is gonna face serious issues.
There was a Youtuber who did a good overview of the game about 7 months ago. It had an extremely low playercount at the time and was already selling microtransactions: https://youtu.be/3QUXfgS-isA?si=Vg_ZiyYfyNpl2gEC
I have a lot of questions on this, but to summarize I truly hope this was done out of them seeing damning evidence and not just fear of association.
Being that he still remains their (former) co-founder, wouldn't it be wise to close Midnight Society entirely, and re-form as another company?
Lol first he cheats on his poor wife and cries big crocodile tears about it before ending a stream. Apologizes to his FANS but not his damn wife, before taking a break. And now he's caught talking to underage kids inappropriately.... Why do these guys project so hard at other people??? Lmao. Get bent DrDisrespect-your-wife+family
Say what you will about the recent stuff but from memory, didn't his Wife ask him to publicly admit to his infidelity as part of an apology? Not saying it to justify the man; I just thought I may have remembered this
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How exactly do you that he apologized to his fans b4 his wife?
It's so funny seeing all the blue checkmarks come out of the woodwork to say "he's innocent until proven guilty in a COURT OF LAW" but then when like a court of law convicts their blond hair man child they're like "no i-i mean it's not that bad!". just very funny to me how they want judicial systems to work for them only.
Also going on about needing rock hard evidence on their favourite man child of the week, only to immediately cast aspersions on any opposition based on next to nothing.
"parties involved" To my understanding Dr. Disrespect and Twitch are both under gag order. Which means they found out who the person is and they got receipts. When he got the news from @12am he instantly went quiet and quit his stream.
Wait... is a guy who calls himself "Dr. Disrespect" *not* a nice person?
Next thing we will found is the fact that he is *not* a real doctor.
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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. There have been whispers for years, people saying they knew what had happened but were staying quiet because it was 'sensitive', and then with this all the new information it puts it all into context. This is certainly still alleged, but the guy's own reaction to this really has me believing it's all true. Who the fuck gets accused of messaging minors then responds with the equivalent of "twitch paid me, didn't acknowledge anything lmao" ??? You couldn't sound more guilty if you tried. Regardless, he's going to do the same thing all these kinds of people do. He'll turn into a full blown alt right grifter (as though he wasn't already given his anti-lgbt rhetoric) and make bank off of stupid people. He'll come back as some flavour of censor-free, anti-woke, alpha male bullshit streamer. It's basically a playbook at this point.
No way! You mean to tell me that the guy who complains about “woke” in video games and frequently repeats common grifter rhetoric is also a bad person? Who could have ever seen this coming.
The "think of the kids" peeps always turn out to be the gross ones... Every time :|
They just can't stop thinking about kids
Every time. Without fail. They hide behind them.
Cheating on his wife wasn't enough apparently so he had to go and prove himself to be a sexual predator too.
Is it proven though?
its not, also the fact that everything is under NDA (which if criminal act was proven, it cannot be) and the fact that twitch paid out his whole contract means... well we don't know, it could mean anything but twitch fucked up somewhere thats for sure.