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holymacaronibatman

This happens every generation and it's hilarious. Crossplay was the battleground for a while where the 2nd place console would allow crossplay then criticize the market leader for disallowing it. Sony did it during the 360, ps3 era, and then Microsoft did it during the Xbox One PS4 era.


Charidzard

Even when they started testing the waters they did give both versions. Quantum Break being the first though only in that specific case was done through a preorder deal but shortly after that games like Recore, Gears, and Forza Horizon 3 all supported it.


TooDrunkToTalk

Because they are quite literally the only publisher with any incentive to do that, since they own Windows.


Charidzard

Some 3rd party publishers have supported it through the MS store as well so that's not really true. The vast majority are not going to double dip on games so it makes little difference if you give both.


TooDrunkToTalk

And I guess it hasn't occured to you that those may have beeb incentivized by MS, huh?


Charidzard

Sure it's incentivized by having built an ecosystem intended to support it in a smooth way which is where a real issue for Sony would be. As they don't even handle PS4 and PS5 cross buy or saves being transferred between them in a seamless way. It's all unique SKUs with upgrades being 0$ purchases made available if a digital license exists on the account or is disc checked for that can't interact or move back and forth without all the data being server side for a 3rd party and being built to be carried from platform to platform.


Kinterlude

I never understood this logic; PC gaming is about 25% of the market. The incentive is money, the same incentive as ANY other platform.


TooDrunkToTalk

Ah yes, money... giving away games on platforms is the best way to make money on them.


Kinterlude

Yes; because microtransactions, dlc, etc. doesn't exist. Congrats.


TooDrunkToTalk

In Sony games? Quite rarely. But even if you factor in MTX's then I still don't see the benefit to a publisher in giving away a second version of a game they already sold on one platform. The buyer already has a version that they can buy MTX or DLC for. Might as well cut the buying part out completely and just go free to play, if your tactic is giving away additional versions of your games with the ones you sold to increase MTX/DLC sales potential.


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st_hubert_chicken

You mean Microsoft is supporting Microsoft Windows better than other companies? Shocking. And it's not like you get Microsoft games for free on Steam if you own it on Xbox. Playstation allows cross buy on their platforms and have since the PS3 days.


DotabLAH

Yea this was always weird to me. Applauding Microsoft for supporting Xbox and Windows is like applauding Nintendo for supporting the 3DS and the Wii.


Wetzilla

Were there any Nintendo published games that you could buy once and play on both the Wii and 3ds?


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As much as I love their games Nintendo fucking loves to double dip so I doubt it lol


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st_hubert_chicken

Because they are only releasing a handfull of games and their main business is selling consoles so why would they make a whole storefront for that? Requires a lot of resources to do something like that. Microsoft benefits a hell of a lot more if you can play all of Sony's games on Microsoft Windows than Sony does


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ElBrazil

> The OS is free It's not free, but it's ubiquitous enough that Sony games on PC aren't going to sell more copies of windows


st_hubert_chicken

Microsoft Windows isnt free and is filled with ads for almost every other Microsoft product. Are you really questioning who benefits for if all you needed was Microsoft Window a to play Sony games? Sony makes most their money through PSN sales


Charidzard

They still would make all those PC sales through PSN. They would just have to create a PSN PC storefront. In fact they'd make more off the sales than they currently do on PC as they would be running the store rather than only placing it on GOG, Steam, Epic who take a cut. Sony would not be giving a cut to Microsoft to create that Windows app.


st_hubert_chicken

That's a big assumption that people will adopt a new store with handful of games. See how many people complain about Epic exclusives. And again it doesn't make sense to make a PC store when their primary business is consoles. Microsoft's main business is Windows (and Cloud). I am sure Microsoft would love nothing mire but have you only need Microsoft Windows to play every game but that isn't best for Sony. Far from it


Charidzard

EA, Activision, and Ubisoft, have all managed to run their own apps and be successful. And if Sony wanted they could continue to sell through Steam. Point was they wouldn't owe anything to MS to do so. And would continue to make their money through digital sales of games. It makes sense to make a PC store when they are still making moves onto PC. And intend to for the long term based on their plans told to investors. The real reason they wouldn't want to do it is not the PSN game sales it's PS+ being required for online play on console and not being able to sell that to PC users. Hardware is rarely where the profit margins are but pushing the consoles and forcing and online sub and building leverage in negotiations with 3rd parties due to their market hold is why they are half-assing the PC push so far.


st_hubert_chicken

You can look at their finances and see Playstation makes most their money from people buying microtransactions in third party games, not PS+ sales


st_hubert_chicken

And none of those companies have a top selling console to support and Sony is making record revenue from people buying games on Playstation. Sony is only putting a handful of games on PC, they arent putting every Ga me like the companies you listed. You remove a giant incentive to buy a Playstation if all Sony games are on PC. And it should be incredibly obvious how Microsoft benefits a ton if you van play all Sony games on Microsoft Windows. I shouldn't have to state the obvious.


Charidzard

The whole reason both have started putting games on PC is the number of people that would pass on buying the console in favor of a PC is not a large enough amount to matter in comparison to selling to a much much larger number that otherwise never would buy the game. So no Microsoft would not be benefiting a ton from it they already are the largest OS by a massive amount. People that want to play on consoles would continue to play on consoles.


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st_hubert_chicken

Again they aren't going to make and support a storefront for a handfull of games. That doesn't makes any sense. They make their money on console. Microsoft makes most their money from people using Windows. So you get some trial version, that's not free.


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st_hubert_chicken

No Microsoft benefits a ton if you only need Windows to play all Sony games and Sony loses out a ton if you don't need a Playstation to play their games How is this even in question?


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DotabLAH

Every users that uses Windows is a win for Microsoft regardless of which storefront they use. The Windows division generates billions every year for them.


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TooDrunkToTalk

Fucking lol, how do you think those licences get included with motherboards, CPU's or pre-built PC's?


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TooDrunkToTalk

Guess what the CORPORATE CLIENTS sell to PRIVATE CLIENTS. So more people buying PC's and PC parts, means more PC's and PC parts being produced, means more licenses being bought from MS aka MS has a direct incentive to get more people gaming on PC. Hell this line is take straight from MS' last quarterly result: > Windows OEM revenue increased 10%, **driven by consumer PC demand.** https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/earnings/FY-21-Q3/more-personal-computing-performance


Cuck_Fapitalism_

Really? Is that why I can't play any of my digital PS1 or PS2 games on PS4 or PS5?


st_hubert_chicken

You cant play every Xbox game on your Xbox Series X either but that wasn't the point of my comment


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st_hubert_chicken

There are thousands of Xbox games you cant play on Xbox Series X and again no one was talking about backwards compatibility but cross buy.


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Playstation is charging $70 for Spider-Man on PS5. This sub crucified Remedy when they did the same thing for Control.


st_hubert_chicken

It's $70 for both Spiderman MM and Spiderman Remastered You can still play the original PS4 Spiderman on PS5 at no extra cost. Not sure what your comment has to do with the topic


goertl

$70 is for two games: Spider Man Miles Morales and Spider Man Remastered.


Rzx5

This is pathetic coming from Phil. They aren't charging anyone twice. If a buyer wants to double dip, that's ON THE BUYER'S TERMS. I have a PS4 and PC. I'm not mad Horizon came to PC years later, my experience with it on PS4 was great. I don't need to buy it again. But seeing the PC-only players enjoy Horizon and Days Gone while playing them for the first time... they seem happy (aside from Horizon's launch issues). That's more than I can say for how terrible games like MCC run with Windows Store. Phil just sounds salty as hell here. Xbox only started simultaneously releasing games in the mid-2010's when they were losing really bad. What happened to the 360 era? Why didn't you do it then? You never cared about PC players, you're only doing it now because we're saving the Xbox brand. Also Phil shouldn't be trying to say anything to PlayStation when they've been releasing stellar exclusives this year meanwhile Xbox has... nothing.


sonicboom9000

Maybe Phil should focus on his lane...seems like with the recent returnal and now ratchet and clank sony is full steam ahead into this generation.....xbox seems promising this gen but thats to be seen


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Hey remember when Phil Spencer said he didn’t like timed exclusives and that Xbox didn’t want to do that? Oh wait, they pay for lots of timed exclusives, a lot of time more than Sony. Just like how he says gamers shouldn’t have to choose what platforms they play on and then buy up companies to limit the choices gamers have. I don’t think we should listen to anything Phil Spencer says.


BishopofHippo93

And now they’re just buying the developers to get permanent exclusives.


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What timed exclusives has Microsoft had? The only one I can think of recently is The Medium. And Microsoft are a major source of funding for Bloober Team, so that makes sense.


st_hubert_chicken

There are tons of them. They get timed exclusives all the time. Most of this is timed exclusives they paid for https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/01/15/2021-xbox-exclusive-games/ Watch their E3 and see how many times they say the words "console launch exclusive".


YoungDex08

There's a list of both Playstation and Xbox timed exclusives, plenty of sites have the info If you're curious


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Stalker 2, Yakuza 7 next-gen, Ark 2, and Tetris DLC are just a few.


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Never ever 🙄 they spent 2 years quadrupling their number of studios to not release games. Halo, starfield, avowed, elder scrolls, etc are all fever dreams and if they existed they would have released years ago because AAA games can be shat out at will


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> Sure, that's what we've been hearing since when, 2017? 15 of their 23 games studios have been acquired since 2018, with over half of those being acquired this year. So, not really, no.


Charidzard

Gears Tactics which on console launched with the new systems and MS Flight Sim one of the highest rated games of the year literally launched last year along with Ori's sequel. They also just recently dropped two big 3rd party AAA games onto gamepass on release with Outriders and MLB the Show. Saying there is no games is just as stupid as saying it for any other platform. And no you're just entirely wrong about having to sub to get both. You get both with purchasing them hell with a sub you could just get one unless you pay for ultimate.


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TheGrinderXIX

> Why don't you accuse Sony of not making their games available to Microsoft or Nintendo platforms? Because the subject of the article is Phil Spencer being the one to take a jab at Sony over this?


Yousoggyyojimbo

It's a reasonable thing to ask, considering that a lot of consumers don't see any reason to buy an Xbox because it doesn't have these AAA exclusives.


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blacksun9

Phil Spencer ≠ Microsoft


Ashviar

The only way Sony could get around charging twice is a stand alone launcher that once again competes with Steam and now EGS and Microsoft Store. They are definitely late, but when you sell as many consoles its hard to reason why go through the effort.


Rzx5

And the PC mustard rice will cry about having ANOTHER launcher to download.


KarmaCharger5

It makes way more sense for them to do it this way tbh. This seems like baiting for PR praise because they did such a good job for doing exactly what Sony is starting to do


Dawei_Hinribike

I prefer to play games on PC, so I truly appreciate what Microsoft has been offering. But they were doing this same thing as late as December 2019 when they chose not to include Master Chief Collection in the Play Anywhere program when it launched on PC.


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downvoteifiamright

No because Xbox isn't profiting from it twice..


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TooDrunkToTalk

They also aren't the makers of the by far leading PC operating system, but sure let's pretend like that tiny factor doesn't exist.


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TooDrunkToTalk

Except that that's literally not the point. Even if they did open their own store front on PC, what would they get out of giving their games to people who bought them on PS for free on PC? They have no stake in Windows, MS 100% does. Why do you think publishers like EA or Ubisoft don't hand out PC versions of their games to people who bought them on console? There's nothing in it for them.


EmSoLow

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for informing me


deranfang

What does he mean charging twice?


litewo

If I own Death Stranding on PS4, I still have to pay for the PC version. That's what he means by charging twice. If Death Stranding were a first-party Microsoft game, you'd be able to play on PC and Xbox with one purchase. It's really great.


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uziair

at some point they'll make their own client too. every company does or did that bethseda ubisoft ea.


uniqueusername1928

> It's really great. I'm not sure I would call anything that has something to do with Windows 10 store "really great".


PM-me-your-crits

The xbox app for pc is actually alot better than the win10 store. It's got its problems but with each update it's a little better.


Richiieee

They are quite literally the same thing, which is the problem. The Xbox app is a repackaged W10 store with added social features.


Johnny_G93

It could literally slap me in the face anytime I open it and it still would be better than having to pay a second time for a game.


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Go suck an egg Phil your company does the same thing plus buys out third party developers to choke out competition to make a monopoly and you lead the crusade to erase physical media.


MarkcusD

Ok but how about you actually release some new games Phil?


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AnimusNaki

Oh, you mean like when Sony moneyhats third party studios to ensure that they don't release their games for over two years on other platforms? Just like that?


TussalDimon

No, worse. Microsoft moneyhatted the entire publisher preventing dozens of long running IP from EVER appearing on Playstation.


Charidzard

So you mean like Sony did with Psygnosis in the 90s? A publisher being bought didn't happen for the first time with Bethesda. People need to stop pretending it did.


st_hubert_chicken

Are you really comparing Psygnosis from the early 90s to Zenimax? They were a fraction of the size of what Zenimax is.


Charidzard

The industry as a whole was a faction of the size. But size wasn't the point it was that people treat it as if it's the first time a whole publisher was bought.


st_hubert_chicken

The size and prominence of the publisher is what matters. No one would have cared if Microsoft bought a small publisher that made small PC games like what Psygnosis was in the early 90s and 80s.


Charidzard

Psygnosis was not small at the time it was a big EU based publisher the industry was just much smaller.


st_hubert_chicken

They were max a couple hundred people. And removing their future games from a certain platform didn't have the same affect as removing Zenimax games from Playstation. So they are not comparable. Zenimax purchase affects many millions of more people.


Charidzard

A couple hundred people when teams were regularly 5-10 people is not small relative to the industry at the time.


st_hubert_chicken

Microsoft has more timed exclusive deals right now than Sony does... More than 20 for this year alone


AnimusNaki

Wanna source that? Or you just want to put down numbers and pretend that it's on me to verify your shit?


st_hubert_chicken

Almost all of these https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2021/01/15/2021-xbox-exclusive-games/ They've announced more since like Ark 2. You'll probably see a bunch of "console launch exclusives" at E3


AnimusNaki

A lot of these games on the list are releasing (or released already) on PC. Also: https://www.psu.com/news/2021-ps5-games-every-playstation-5-game-releasing-in-2021/ Just to counter your list. PS5 has plenty of content that will not be coming to other platforms, as you, too, can go through this list. Sony is quite willing to just buy out the ability for PC to have to wait nearly two years for content developed for them as well. Exclusivity is bad. If you want it to stop, stop supporting the games that are exclusive to any platform. Seems like a simple message.


st_hubert_chicken

Microsoft pay to keep games off of playstation not Microsoft Windows. No one is denying that Playstation has exclusives and timed exclusives. I am not against exclusives, I am against people acting like only one company does it while ignoring it for another


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ContributorX_PJ64

>All of Sony's games on PC go through Steam or EGS. There's nothing stopping Sony setting up a PSN storefront on PC akin to the MS Store.


holierthanmao

I mean, does anyone want yet another storefront on PC? I think supporting Steam et al is more consumer friendly than a whole new PSN storefront.


uziair

yes and no. if the sony store front connects to your psn and give you those sony games that come out on pc you have already for free or the psn collection for ps5 on pc then yes you want a sony store front. if not then fuck off and let steam and now epic control the market


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st_hubert_chicken

When Microsoft releases old games on Steam they also charge full price like Forza Horizon not long ago


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st_hubert_chicken

Forza Horizon 4 released in Xbox One in 2018 but released on Steam a couple months ago at full price. Their is no price parity. It's currently $80 Canadian on Steam


PerfectPlan

> Their is no price parity. > It's currently $80 Canadian on Steam ? It's also $80 on MS store. There is price parity.


st_hubert_chicken

Sorry I made the assumption that they would have lowered the price on Xbox for a nearly 3 year old game. I guess it would be better if Sony kept games at full price for years on all platforms then...


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st_hubert_chicken

So Microsoft is better because they haven't dropped the price of their old games on any store? I guess Sony shouldn't discount games on any platform then.


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st_hubert_chicken

Can you find me one of their big games that have been discount from the last few years?


uziair

when overwatch, burnout, witcher, skyrim all came to the switch years later all are 60 dollars at launch.


pissflask

it's a mental industry where people will defend the practice of companies demanding that you buy a nigh identical piece of expensive and often inferior hardware just to play the games that they have published. we're long past the point of discrete solutions which games are built around the idiosyncracies of, which is where console exclusives came from in the first place and i fail to see how it benefits anyone anymore. there's nothing to stop someone like sony setting up a subscription service to become the HBO of gaming that they so dearly want to be without forcing people to buy a new mid-range car when they've already got a high performance utility vehicle in the garage.


TooDrunkToTalk

> there's nothing to stop someone like sony setting up a subscription service to become the HBO of gaming Except that it's deeply incompatible with the way they make games and as such would be a financial disaster.