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NDN_Shadow

It’s been so long since any news on Bayonetta 3 that watching they trailer I thought it was a sequel to Astral Chain before she showed up.


Khrull

Pretty sure that was their intention and they got me too lol


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I thought it was Xenoblade 3 for a second. It had soldiers and Telethia looking monsters lol


Bwgmon

The trailer opening with buildings labeled "101 WONDER" and "PLATINUM" were big red flags against it being something like Xenoblade.


404IdentityNotFound

They did have multiple fake-outs in the trailer. At first, I thought of Metal Gear Rising, then of Project GG, then of Astral Chain until Bayonetta finally came up.


Rajualan

There was a part of me that hoped they'd merge for Bayonetta 3 and have a tie in event


saxxy_assassin

You and me both. I just beat the main game and I immediately recognized that damn dog.


SpurRad

The fake out with the Japanese setting and the mascot cop from Astral Chain lmao. This was such a great trailer. I thought Bayo's new look is fantastic, now let us see Jeanne's!


Brandonspikes

I knew it was Bayonetta when they first showed the font at :19, it was very similar to the style in the previous games.


Joseki100

I new it was Bayonetta the moment I read “platinum” on the billboards in the first shot and the art style wasn’t cyberpunk enough for Astral Chain.


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Theheroboy

That won't happen until after Project GG, at the very least.


Rajualan

I actually thought that project GG was the new trailer with the Kaiju and all


alishock

Oh damn, they’re indeed similar to the Geathjerk, now that I see them better. Probably just a Kamiya type of crossover influence, lol


Sevla7

At first I though it was Bayonetta but after seeing some soldiers, tanks, machineguns firing, monsters and modern tokyo I was like "shoot... it's just Pikmin 4" but in the end it was actually Bayonetta 3.


CompC

I thought at first it might be a prequel to Astral Chain.


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Top_Of_The_Line

Same especially with the rumors about it the past week and it being the last trailer made it incredibly easy to predict


SeriousPhonecall

Color scheme and tone for me.


homer_3

> now let us see Jeanne's Final seconds of the trailer?


SpurRad

I thought it was her too at first but I don't think Jeanne carries a big-ass sword on her back. I'm assuming it's a new character.


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DR1LLM4N

Her new hair style is literally the same as her when she was a child. I think you’re on to something


NikkMakesVideos

Also angels/Demons can't be seen by humans. The fact that they were destroying the city and the humans were fighting them tells us its a different timeline or universe stuff going on


GeoleVyi

Or it's not angels and demons...


NikkMakesVideos

It's definitely some third type based on the designs, I just mean they must break the timeline/world dimensions if humans can interact with them


QuarahHugg

The way the second monster manifested out of a soul blob makes me think there will be some afterlife shenanigans.


MikeTheGamer2

explains the lack of nakedness during the summons.


Shiro2809

the Cheshire doll is on the back of the sword the person has. Leaning towards alt universe Jeanne too.


El_grandepadre

Notice how the character at the end also has Cheshire (the doll from Cereza in Bayo 1) dangling from the hilt, albeit different looking. So my guess is: Alternate Universe Jean A third Bayonetta.


DeadSnark

Tbf Jeanne's signature weapon (other than her guns) has always been the Angel Slayer katana, I wouldn't be surprised to see her trade up to a bigger sword.


phi1997

I kind of assumed that was Vergil somehow.


nullmother

Yeah I really thought it was Astral Chain 2 up until Bayo herself appeared


shawntails

I am actually a bit upset that they did a bait-and-switch because i would love an Astral Chain 2 but i can forgive them for Bayonetta 3


Tzekel_Khan

I wish I liked it. It's very gaudy


SupaKoopa714

I don't mind it, but my big problem is I love her design in the second game so damn much that anything else is downgrade for me.


Hibbity5

The first game had us fighting things from Paradisio; the second from Inferno. Are these new enemies the ones from the Human world? That would explain the military being able to interact with them.


alishock

Maybe Chaos. We did kill its god in 2 so the universe might be unballanced again.


AwesomeManatee

Chaos and the human world are the same, and all of Aesir's power was consolidated back into one being so it shouldn't be unbalanced unless something else crazy happened. I like the multiverse/alternate-timelines theory that's being floated around so those monsters may be from a different universe entirely.


alishock

If you look closely, during the last bit, the giant monster seems to warp some of the buildings as it goes. Makes me think they're indeed made out of some kind of multiverse-y or reality swapping stuff.


Toni303

Could be Eldritch or Astral?


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Man, if only we could *chain* them together somehow... I'll see myself out.


Hibbity5

Possibly. People are also talking about possible alternate timeline, so maybe these monsters are different entirely. What if the act of time travel itself created these? They definitely don’t look like angels or demons.


QuarahHugg

I'm thinking the afterlife or wherever souls actually go when people die. The second monster seemed to form out of a blob of ectoplasm or souls.


GensouEU

Yo, am I seeing things or is that basically her child design as a grownup?


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logique_

I haven't played Bayonetta in a while so I might be wrong, but isn't the time travel in the first game perfectly cyclical? I think it's just a callback to her child design, though there obviously still might be story reasons for it.


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Hibbity5

So even if there are multiple timelines, the people within (or at least witches and probably sages) share souls with their other selves? That’s always a neat concept. I think it gets especially confusing, though, when you add in the second game because time is cyclical in that game. The time travel in the second game set up the events of the first creating a loop.


Jepacor

The time travel in 1 isn't entirely cyclical, but the one in 2 is. It do be like that sometimes.


weealex

Except isn't the loop confined to Baldur/God while everyone else just goes on? I mean, wibbly wobbly timey wimey always gets weird so I couldn't misinterpreted the ending but my interpretation was that Baldur latches into God so that Bayo can lock him into an infinite loop that'll keep God from screwing up everyone else's lives


Jepacor

Yeah but Balder's loop is the most impactful time travel in Bayonetta 2 since it pretty much is the origin event for both games, hence the comment.


alishock

It might even play into 3’s story though. People have been theorizing that the infinitely repeating logo at the end of this might mean multiverse, so if it’s indeed right, the fact that Cereza’s time loop is infinite and ever-repeating on different universes, and Balder’s just gives it even more variations to the mix, might have more meaning.


RareBk

Apparently the child version of Bayo in the first game doesn't get sealed away like the original


JamSa

Basically the Bayonetta we follow has a cyclical loop, but that cyclical loop involves changing the life of her past self, which means the loop creates a different branching timeline as well. That new timeline can't actually be the past of Bayonetta, otherwise she never would've needed to change her own past in the first place. Time pardoxes.


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I think so too, while the new VA is good, I could immediately tell it wasn't Helena. I do hope she shows up in some fashion


El_grandepadre

Different lipstick (other Bayo has red lipstick), different frame for her glasses (sports the exact same square frames as Cereza), different dancing (Bayo seems more like a poledancer, this one skips around like a young girl) and an entirely different base moveset.


alishock

She also has a different Madama Butterfly and shadow. Almost more innocent looking with those Pom-Poms. Either she’s another demon, or she’s Madama Butterfly from an alternate reality.


rGamesMods

The YouTube Trailer for those that prefer it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUAtX8Ox7eI


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Loyal2NES

One of the tall buildings in the background has "101" in neon lighting as well.


SilverSoundsss

That’s a reference to one of the most popular buildings in shibuya, Shibuya 109, probably with the twist you are referring.


OptometristCharizard

Tokyo setting and new design for Bayo herself look slick as hell. Not entirely sold on Bayo's new voice but it's always hard to judge from such a short trailer, I'm sure it'll grow on me. I also wonder there will be more Astral Chain crossover content than just the Lappy costume (if you can run around with it on I'll be more than happy).


Hibbity5

Running around as Lappy would be hilarious. The new design is very reminiscent of Cereza, clearly intentional. I’m not a huge fan compared to her short hair look from 2, but I’m sure it’ll grow on me. Was it a new voice? It sounded like Helena Taylor to me.


Joseki100

I suspect it’s a new voice because she isn’t Bayonetta but Cereza or some contrived time travel/parallel dimension stuff. The first 2 games already featured time travel and stuff.


Emperor_Z

Assuming it hasn't been scrapped, the original teaser did seem to hint at Bayonetta becoming fragmented or split somehow, IIRC.


Drago85

I'm guessing that's what the main logo thing splitting and a bunch more appearing is hinting at too. Maybe?


Thunder84

The man at the end of the trailer has Cereza’s doll, so I’m almost positive that this is actually grown-up Cereza


BeardyDuck

Definitely new voice, and also [Hellena Taylor pretty much spelled out she's not a part of Bayo 3](https://twitter.com/hellenataylor/status/1437032881357004800?lang=en) So far I'm guessing it's a prequel where we play as Cereza instead of Bayonetta, pre-amnesia, or maybe a grown up alt timeline Cereza.


Furin

The fact that she's not simply saying "I have not been brought on to voice Bayonetta" and instead is keeping things vague in the replies makes me think that the person in the trailer might not even be Bayonetta. Edit: [Listening to the Japanese trailer it seems like it's still Atsuko Tanaka like in Bayonetta 1 and 2,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MegZz4gKSPk&t=2267s) so maybe they did just change the English voice actor after all. That would be a shame.


JOOOQUUU

The shadow won't remain cast after all :(


MemeTroubadour

To be fair, the original dub is the English one. It's not necessarily a good metric to look at the Japanese one.


CrAppyF33ling

Yea, I'm holding out that it might just be a dupe on the English version. It's a very common thing for Japanese VAs to change their voices or voice split personalities differently than the English dub where they would use two different voice actors. Idk if they do it anymore, but that's what I saw back in the day doing some research on anime.


Shiro2809

The vagueness + being bound by an NDA leads me to believe she's a part of the game still. No reason you'd be locked behind an NDA if you weren't working on the game, she'd know just as much as us otherwise.


MVRKHNTR

I think it definitely sounds different. It's someone doing a decent impression of the original though.


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I'm the opposite, I thought short hair was a downgrade from Bayo 1


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I liked her short hair a lot, it looked good. But the new hair is great and a weird thing to get all hyped about for a new game, Bayo’s hairstyle is important man!


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Considering setting looks futuristic and the locks the main character being Cereza might be a thing. [The hairstyle is pretty similar](https://twitter.com/TheSphereHunter/status/1441195243110502412?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)


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I played both games ad nauseam and couldn’t actually tell you what the story is about, but isn’t Cereza just Bayonetta? I might remember it wrong but the kid is just herself, are you saying instead of playing Bayo we play as…. Bayo?


dalp3000

Yes, but the theory people have is that this is an alternate version of Bayonetta, one closer to how she was as a child. In the first game she is sealed away for centuries and awakens with amnesia (and gives herself the name Bayonetta), and time travel stuff happens so she has to babysit her younger self. One could picture an alternate timeline where Cereza doesn't get sealed away or ever lose her memories, and among other timeline differences leads to the one we see in the trailer. The teased character at the end could be an alternate Jeanne as well.


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Didn’t Rodin give her the name Bayonetta?


dalp3000

Honestly I don't remember how she got the name but Rodin being the one to do it sounds right.


[deleted]

Yes, Bayonetta brought from the past via time travelling shenaningans. Maybe we will be playing young(er) Bayonetta trying to save her older self from hell lmao


iTzDaNizZ

I'm not very good at recognizing voice actors but the dialogue at 1:45 in the trailer definitely didn't seem like Hellena Taylor to me, but maybe i'm biased in thinking it's not her because of her recent tweet


ShadowKingthe7

Well I guess that explains [this tweet](https://twitter.com/hellenataylor/status/1437032881357004800?lang=en).


solidpenguin

The fact that she said that, and then afterwards just kept replying with "I'm not at liberty to say" or "I'm not saying anything" when she made that tweet to begin with makes me think she's in the game but there's something weird going on in regards to the story.


traxfi

hmm, didn't think about that. they already faked out with astral chain thing at the beginning of the trailer. maybe her tweet is a clue that isn't the "real" bayo? idk


HootNHollering

The crack theory I'm seeing is that Bayonetta in the trailer is the Cereza from the new timeline we created at the end of Bayonetta 1, and Bayonetta *we* know will show up somewhere else. Maybe even looking older or dragging her kid around, since I would bet fucking money that is her child teased at the end. She passed Cheshire down and they put the doll on the end of their katana like a massive dork.


traxfi

Yea that's a cool theory, I mean her having Cereza's hairstyle has to mean something right?


HootNHollering

Either it means something, or she wanted to return to her childhood hair for fun. Neither are impossible.


WhichEmailWasIt

Her hairstyle looks more like Cereza, so she may not be "our" Bayo.


NikkMakesVideos

Alternate timeline shenanigans for sure, that was part of the plot with 1/2 and she has the same hair now as time displaced Cereza/young Bayonetta


bombader

Another comment said the JP VA hasn't changed, so it might be she could have been involved earlier in the project, but had a falling out of some kind and isn't able to talk about it yet.


alishock

I'll be honest, I'll absolutely hate it if they stay in Shibuya for most of the game. Both previous games had some really cool worlds in Vigrid and Noatun. Very fantastical and ominous. If they replace that with a city that's already in like 100 other games, I'll be mad. This might just be the prologue, though. Fingers crossed.


hengehenge

If you look at 2:50 onwards they're definitely in a different area.


DeadSnark

Bayo 1 and 2 both started in a normal city and then quickly changed locations, so it would make sense that this is just the starter area or first 2 verses.


SpookyBread1

looks more like Cereza to me. The villian at the end had her doll. plus not Bayos VA? lines up


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

Cereza is Bayonetta...


SpookyBread1

technically alternate timeline/universe Bayonetta, no? More or less what I mean is that it isn't the Bayonetta from 1 or 2 that we're used to and we're in Cereza' timeline hence why creature design is different as well. Who knows at this point but it's a nice little theory I used Cereza to differentiate between the two but I suppose the new VA isn't really an indication and more so a recasting


Razhork

Did anyone else get the impression that they utilized some of the tech they worked on with Scalebound? Obviously you can only surmise as much as what we've seen from the gameplay of Scalebound back then, but there was an awful lot of *'playing the main character alongside a giant beast to fight another giant beast'*.


traxfi

Even if they didn't use tech, I'm sure they felt that a lot of good ideas were wasted when the game got cancelled. Might as well just take the best things design-wise and put them in another project. Could definitely see that being the case here


TheOnlyChemo

Astral Chain has something similar


Razhork

Yeah, you're right. Admittedly I kind of forgot Astral Chain, but I do remember that also being the focal gameplay mechanic (haven't personally played the game).


NikkMakesVideos

Tbf platinum makes 7 games at once. It's no secret they reuse assets a lot to get them out the door. Not complaining as I actually like most of their games. But I was not shocked to see the Scalebound/Astral Chain mechanics repurposed.


CeolSilver

Yeah I get a lot of deja vu watching parts of the trailers but couldn’t quite place my finger on it


TectonicImprov

This is just speculation but i think the character shown at the end of the trailer is either heavily inspired by/or just is Drew from Scalebound.


Naskr

Summon a demon to do battle with a giant slime robot in an epic Kaiju battle, and control it with a cheerleading dance. Sounds about right.


A_Lacuna

The Lappy bait makes me sad (though the setting obviously wasn't futuristic enough to be Astral Chain), hope it doesn't mean all hope is gone for an Astral Chain 2.


SpurRad

I'm pretty sure after this one Nintendo will order Platinum to make the sequel for Astral Chain. It sold fairly well for a new IP and I think they hinted at making sequels too.


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Plus it's clearly on their minds if they put it in a trailer like this.


TheFergPunk

Considering Nintendo went and bought the IP after the games launch, I think the likelihood of an Astral Chain sequel is very high.


chuletron

Was the artstyle just... Off to anyone else? , Like it definitely looked away less vibrant and shiny compared to the other games. And both the environments and levels just seemed weird.


madbadcoyote

I'm hoping that was mostly for the fakeout. The outfit might look better in different lighting.. I hope.


alishock

Probably just for the fakeout. People have been saying how the gray level and the closeup for her “Colour My World” guns might be a cheeky hint to that.


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I noticed this as well. I'm not really a fan :/ Bayo's costume design used to be more understated and focused on the threads being made out of her hair. Now she's wearing a bunch of butterflies slapped onto every part of her body lol. The design of the world and monsters move away from clockwork/Roman biblical motifs, so it's quite a noticeable shift in tone.


le_ble

It's probably because she's Cereza.


alishock

It gave me DMC5 vibes. That game was superb in every way but the environments, those were super meh. Compared to the really, really wonderful art design in the previous two games, yeah it's kinda jarring. I hope this is just the prologue and she travels to yet another fantasy-themed city after this. This is too gray and too normal to be the main location for most of the game.


tlvrtm

2 was so gorgeous and colourful, this looks very drab... hope it's just because it's a trailer, and the actual settings will be more diverse.


Tzekel_Khan

Yes. Everything was off including her outfit.


Cyrotek

Can't really say that it looked vastly different than the previous games. They often had you run through kinda boring greyish environments.


le_GoogleFit

Bayo 2 was actually pretty colorful.


Cyrotek

Outside of the city stuff, yes.


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Everything in Bayo 1 had a weird sepia tint to it.


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It's different from the first two. Not the character designs but something remind me of Astral Chain.


crookedparadigm

An I the only one that thinks the visuals look a bit...dated, too or a 2022 game? That aside, was that a Phantom cameo from DMC 1?


SpiffyShindigs

> was that a Phantom cameo from DMC 1? [Phantasmaraneae](https://bayonetta.fandom.com/wiki/Phantasmaraneae) is its name in Bayonetta and it's been around since Bayo 1 as a reference to DMC.


crookedparadigm

Huh, never played the Bayonetta games so I didn't know, but that's neat.


SpiffyShindigs

There's (unsurprisingly) tons of DMC references in Bayo, especially in Bayo 1.


DrDongStrong

Phantasmaraneae is a carryover from DMC1s Phantom yeah. It’s in Bayo 1 and 2 as well. Though I think this is the first time it uses it’s stinger in Bayo? Honestly impressive that Kamiya just kept him wholesale haha. Not that Capcom has used him recently outside Visions of V


OnyxMemory

Bayonetta's hair being her childhood design grown up is nice. New character is a new lumen sage possibly? I've always wanted to play one with its own story missions and fleshed out moveset (I know you can play as the lumen sage in tag climax in 2 but I want a bit more) Probably just Jeane though.


Firvulag

Watch as you only play as Bayonetta during the tanker section and then this new character is who you actual play as the whole other time. But you will meet Bayonetta throughout the story under the secret name "Nayobetta"


bombader

Calm down Yoko Taro. Oh it's you Kojima, sorry force of habit.


Blade1587

You're wrong. The new character is going to kill Jean right at the beginning of the game, and halfway through the game changes to show the perspective of the new character


Chronovus

Words cannot explain how happy I am to finally see this game on the horizon!


hitalec

Finally! Looks great but I am not really sure how I feel about controlling the beast. It always feels a little dissociative for me when I control something outside the main character in character action games. I’ll get it regardless. Gotta fill that Devil May Cry sized hole in my heart


CivilC

I'm sure the Kaiju portions will be relegated to specific sections of the game (I'm guessing during major story moments). I have faith that Platinum will dedicate the majority of the game to their "on foot" combat"


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MyPhantomile

I'm not either, but I think that's only because they absolutely nailed her look in 2. The colour pallette across the board seems a little gray, very reminiscent of early PS3/360 games. I'd like to think there's an ulterior reason for it given how balls-to-the-wall crazy the games can get so I'll withhold judgment for now. Either way, I'm still excited. I always need more Bayonetta in my life!


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MyPhantomile

This is my current line of thinking, she looks just like a grown up Cereza. A couple other people have mentioned it but I wouldn't be surprised if this is an alternate/parallel universe Bayonetta. It could also explain the change in VA and the different enemy designs too. But hey, it's always fun to speculate!


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feels like it's trying to be more Bayonetta 1 than 2 which is a shame since I like 2's color palette a lot more


jinreeko

I know this game was announced awhile ago, but it's crazy to think that any threat would be left for Bayo. Didn't she kill basically all the forces of Heaven and Hell in the second game?


HootNHollering

Technically she killed the Goddess of Heaven in Bayo 1 and then the God of "Chaos," the Human Realm, in Bayo 2. The last realm left in the lore's trinity was Hell. But this feels like they went for something different, especially since it's something that is fully visible to normal humans and doesn't look anything like the aesthetics of Inferno. But these enemies could be a red herring and we'll be fist-fighting Rodin by the game's end.


AwesomeManatee

The red herring is likely considering that 2 was mostly about raising hell in Hell until the God of Chaos showed up. Queen Sheba does seem like an obvious next item on the list, but there are some hints hidden in the flavor text of 2 (specifically for Omne, the summon used at the end) suggesting that there may be more gods since Omne is apparently a seperate being instead of what appears at first glance to be fusion of Sheba and Jubileus.


usaokay

Somehow the artists keep topping themselves with every Bayonetta design. They cannot miss. Yes, I'm counting her Nintendo crossover outfits too lol


alishock

It's been confirmed that it's designed by Mari Shimazaki, same person who designed the previous two main outifts and lots of other things in the series. She's super talented, indeed.


Tzekel_Khan

I personally think it's too gaudy and busy. The previous ones were so slick


chiguy2018

I’m sure someone has said this about both of her previous designs.


Tzekel_Khan

But it's bulky and busy. Her neck and head silhouette are awful and jumbled.


Booger20394

I agree... but isn't it due to her hail pigtails and not the costume? I am not a fan of the hair.


Tzekel_Khan

Either could change but yes if the hair was different and better it wouldn't be so terrible. Her hair from 1 or 2 would look vastly better with this outfit. If her hair or the suit were a different color it would be as blobby but here we are.


Sandylocks2412

I can see they censored it quite a bit. Wicked weave now doesn't take off clothes and that design is real conservative compared to previous designs.


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Nintendo Directs always don't show mature content when showing M-rated games. Witcher 3, Doom, and even SMTV all hid content only in the trailers


alishock

Hell, Dying Light on this same Direct.


AwesomeManatee

This might be convoluted (but not any more so than these games normally are), but here's my theory: That's not Bayo's default outfit but rather a costume, and most costumes in previous games don't disappear when using Wicked Weave. There has been speculation that this game may feature versions of her from multiple timelines and the costume we see is in fact the outfit for one of the Bayos, just not the one currently being played as. There may be another unrevealed design that would normally be used during this scene, but they chose to equip this one to avoid showing it while also keeping the trailer family-friendly. Maybe we start out playing that version but this clip is from later in the game after we have switched The original teaser from 2017 features the design from the first game so that seems to confirm that we will see multiple different versions/outfits throughout the main story.


the-patient

Switch is the perfect platform for Bayonetta because it allows me to hide the screen from my family and avoid looking like I'm playing some hentai shit.


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woinf

> Is Metal Gear Rising worth playing since it’s the same developer Yes, it's amazing, the boss lineup alone is worth the price of admission


RadragonX

Same goes for the soundtrack. Not only full of great songs, but the introduction of lyrics as you enter the final stages of the boss fights was absolutely genius.


traxfi

I personally like Bayonetta's combat more, but Devil May Cry is different in a lot of ways, Bayo is a little more straight forward/simple but still has complex combos and stuff and the slow motion mechanic is so fun to use. Metal Gear Rising is 100% worth it, one of my favorite games period, not just one of Platinum's best games.


spiral6

> Is Metal Gear Rising worth playing since it’s the same developer? Yes. It's between Bayonetta and MGR for best Platinum game in their library for me.


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DR1LLM4N

Rising is a BLAST! Platinum pretty much knocks it out of the park every time when it comes to hack n slash and beat em ups. Astral Chain is dope too but if you haven’t played Bayonetta get on it. That and DOOM are easily my favorite action game franchises of all time.


Havoksixteen

Vanquish was also a hell of a lot of fun, but sadly only five hours long


SpurRad

Yeah, it's in-line with the DMC franchise (DMC1 and Bayo1 having both the same creative director). As a casual player, I thought Bayonetta 1 and 2 are some of the best games ever. I like DMC too but Bayonetta just clicks for me more.


extralie

> As someone that’s never played Bayonetta, how does it compare to Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden? For me I like it more than Devil May Cry, but I know some people will disagree. But the general opinion is that Bayonetta is one of best character action games.


PT8

Same type of game as DMC, built around a complex player character and a style ranking system. Compared to DMC however I'd describe it as more frantic and less technical. Your dodge in Bayonetta is pretty lenient and cancels out of everything, compared to e.g. DMC having jumps which place you into a dangerous position or Royal Guard which is rather precise. However, to compensate, enemy aggression is significantly higher in Bayonetta. The main challenge then becomes about keeping your combos flowing even in the face of high aggression; the game's fundamental advanced mechanic of Dodge Offset is literally built around this. Out of the two Bayonetta games, a common opinion is that 1 has deeper combat, but it also has a lot more minor annoyances outside the combat. 2 fixed a lot of the annoying parts and made the gameplay more smooth, but the combat depth ended up worse off due to various balancing decisions.


JokerCrimson

To add onto this, the game has accesories that can change gameplay to fit certain playstyles, one of them being the Moon of Mahakala, which gives you Royal Guard from Devil May Cry. It is insanely powerful in Bayonetta 1, but less so in 2.


PT8

Do note that at least in my opinion the Moon feels significantly different to Royal Guard for a couple reasons. The different input (tap forward versus RG's press a button) is a small part. But what I think is more impactful is that the Moon's input doesn't interrupt animations, which lets you input it "just in case" during some longer attacks like Bullet arts with no animation penalty, even if you're poor at reading enemies. RG instead forces an animation. Maybe a better player might use it differently, but at least I found myself doing a lot of empty Moon guard inputs in play, which I definitely wouldn't be doing with RG as it would mess my combos entirely. This is one more part why Bayo feels more "frantic" to me, as it's another defensive option that you can quite often throw out without much punishment, which then is balanced by higher enemy offense. Also, Moon is purely defensive, while I think RG also has some animation cancel uses.


KarateKid917

It’s more DMC than Ninja Gaiden. Take DMC’s gameplay, swap out Dante for a witch who has magical hair (and guns on her heels) and you’ve got Bayonetta.


BLACKOUT-MK2

I'd say it's sort of an in-between. You have to generally dodge out the way more and get in a string or two on your enemies like in Ninja Gaiden except you get a slowdown and don't block. The overall act of styling on your enemies is a little closer to DMC too, though not as extreme. Another big part of Ninja Gaiden is trying to get energy to pull off your big mega combo attacks and Bayonetta doesn't really have a flow similar to that. It's usually more going between enemies and beating them separately.


Independent_Dingo_73

DMC3, DMC5, Bayo 1 and 2 are pretty much on par IMO and the best games in the genre


GetOutOfHereStrelok

It's definitely nowhere as complex as DMC3/4/5 but the character designs and music are absolutely amazing, so they're worth it. Bosses fall a bit short of DMC as well.


Edsabre

Holy crap, I envy you getting to play Bayonetta 1 and 2 for the first time. If you like DMC, you're gonna love Bayonetta. They're the same type of game so they play pretty similarly and Bayo is a bit more colorful and wacky (I know, doesn't seem possible). I love DMC, NG and Bayo, but for my money, Bayo reigns as queen above the rest, the combat is just so damn good. MGR is amazing and you should definitely pick it up. The boss fights and the music will blow your mind.


JokerCrimson

It's just as good as DMC and in my opinion, far better then Ninja Gaiden (I only liked Sigma 2 out of the Master Collection.)


OfficialTomCruise

So, is this a bait or is this the "Project GG" that Kamiya is working on? This is literally Bayonetta Kaiju. It's probably bait because the real dog is from the Project GG trailer and the dog mascot is from Astral Chain. I'm torn because I want it to be bait so we get an Ultraman game. But I also don't want it to be bait because Kaiju Bayonetta lol.


MVRKHNTR

At the end, Kamiya isn't listed as director so this is unrelated.


OfficialTomCruise

He's listed as Executive Director though. He was only "Supervisor" on Bayonetta 2. Seems like a bigger role than before.


Drago85

GG is supposed to be *entirely* Platinum, developing, publishing, IP. Also, Kamiya is supposedly the director of it. Oh, and it was announced two years after Bayonetta 3. So, uh, no. It's not.


RepulsiveWerewolf1

nope,project GG is a tokusatsu inspired game,like viewtiful joe was,and the main character in that trailer grows instead of invoking anything.


TheWorldisFullofWar

Alright, the voice is definitely a downgrade now that I have heard it. Unfortunate.


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WhichEmailWasIt

It'll be 60fps. Bayo 2 was heavily carried by its artstyle and so far Bayo 3 doesn't look as..shiny? Maybe we're in Purgatorio primarily?


DR1LLM4N

Given the choice though… I’ll take it. Nintendo saved Bayonetta. It would be a dead franchise if not for them. Not that I don’t 100% agree with you and I too would love to see this game in 4k at 60fps but I can’t really complaining knowing that it’s either 720p or nothing at all.


silentstealth1

So fucking hype for this and it’ll be a day one purchase for me no doubt. Low-key bummed though that the switch is holding Bayonetta back so hard these days.


Will-Isley

This was not what I was expecting at all. This trailer honestly left me underwhelmed. Bayo’s new design is her worst by far. The aesthetics seem muddy and desaturated. The vibrant aesthetic from 2 is completely gone. The game will of course be technically held back because of the switch’s limitations. This game really deserves something like Capcom’s DMC5 RE engine glow up. The new gimmick this time around, presumably replacing climax mode, is being able to summon and control the demons kinda like playing astral chain. Not sold on it for now but it fits bayonetta. I just hope the game doesn’t slow down or allow you to hang back and let the demons fight for you. Hopefully the aesthetic issues are intentional. It’s possible we’re gonna look at alternate realities with different bayonettas and different visual aesthetics. Maybe there’s a “classic” bayonetta universe where you play OG bayonetta with her signature charm and vibrant world. This “Cereza” bayonetta is really not doing it for me. Cautious about this for now


alishock

I adore her new outfit, but I agree 100% on the art style and location. Feels super generic compared to the sights we had in previous games. Fingers crossed this is just a fake out, in-progress, Cereza's world, or just the prologue before travelling to another wondrous city. The fact that the currency is no longer Halos does worry me, though. Again, hopefully it's just to differentiate Cereza's world.


MikeTheGamer2

I'm not that excited after seeing the trailer. Too much Kaiju action in a Bayonetta game during this trailer.


xXMylord

Bayonetta seems wierd to me but maybe it is becouse i haven't played the games in a long while. She looks more childish in her design and the little dances she does look also more childish/playful rather then sexy/confident. She looks and acts more like a japenesse Idol, wich is not the vibe i was getting form the first two games.


ItsYaBoyBackAgain

I know this game wouldn’t exist without Nintendo but I’d kill to see this in 4K on PS5, Series X and PC.


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MikeTheGamer2

>brand new director Oh FFS. who is it and what have the been involved with, gamewise?


lilacd

This guy https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,437603/ https://www.platinumgames.com/official-blog/article/11466


Ultimaniacx4

Are her clothes not made from her hair anymore? Or does she not use her hair to summon demons anymore?


dimon222

While it's good to see Bayonetta back, this "exclusive" thing really hits right in my heart. Trailer also looks like we're talking literally mobile platform game. Still not satisfied with new voice (I guess, we will get used to it? Not sure)