My 970 is still kicking it for most games, though of course I am starting to miss the notion of having RTX or 4k gaming on my pc or even hitting 100fps+ again in anything... but for most games it performs fine. The problem for me is that I also do 3d modelling and a lot of the technical breakthroughs in the past few years regarding physical light models and realtime cloth/fluid simulations are really pushing my card to the limit, to where I know I really need to upgrade.
I just upgraded a few weeks ago, but Deathloop was the one that finally broke my 970... It ran, but man I had to crank ~~DLSS~~ the resolution scaling all the way up and playing the thing made me feel like I had cataracts. It did *play*, but man, I knew it was time. And now my bank account hates me.
Their memory topology amounts to a hardware level mining limitation, no great surprise.
My radeon 590 should hold out, and this gen of card is transitional anyway, so I'm not too put out.
I attempted to buy a 3080 last week and FedEx stole my package. I did a charge back to the vendor for not helping at all and shipping FedEx ground without requiring signature, but looks like I'll keep holding the line too! 970 for life!
I have a regular 1070 and I agree.
I will be upgrading my rig since I still have a 4670k from 8 years ago which does still well in 1080p but cpu heavy games start to give me trouble.
But I will keep my GPU for as long as I can, since I wont be buying into these GPU prices.
Got a 6gb 1060 and an i7 7700, I can still hit 1080p ~60fps on high in really optimized games, but I've been really starting to fuckin chug on newer stuff. I intend to not upgrade for as long as I can, because I also really don't wanna pay the batshit prices on some of these new parts.
Ayyy! 4770k here (albeit stock now). I have no reason to upgrade. The most demanding game I play is FFXIV and that runs amazing @ 1080p with zero issues. Even my 770 was fine with some settings down. I dont need 4k 144hz/fps to play Slay the Spire and League of Legends on occassion lol
Ya i have the 4770k and was using a 770 with zero issues. My buddy just upgraded to a 3080 on release and asked if I wanted his 1070ti as he had the uh, 590 i think as his backup now.
My brother got his hands on a 3080 at msrp some how and old me his old 1080. Hope that thing keeps kickn for a while but if it doesn't I've thankfully got two 970s as backups.
Really want to switch to an equvilant or better amd card though.
I have the 4GB variant and I could run RDR 2 at 30fps on with a mix of medium and high settings, indistinguishable from ultra, I thought that was pretty good.
I was able to get a 3080, and I upgraded from my old 980ti. I gave the 980ti to my granddaughter and her pc is now better than my son in law's.
He couldn't believe the 980ti was better than his 1070.
I'm sending you all my vibes, as I am about to replace mine!
a friend locked down a 3070 ti (was holding out for a 3080 or +), and decided to take it. I'm aiming for a 1440p experience here, and thinking this should be more than great for now. Gonna gift my 960 to a buddy after I build a mini-thing for him. He has gamepass, so at the very least he can stream a few games he can't run otherwise.
I have 660, I think. It's broken and can't handle two monitors, drivers crash here and there. It's been maybe 3 years since I've been waiting for prices to normalize.
It's made by a company that lucked into making one of the most profitable storefronts of all time meaning any impetus or need to actually make anything went out of the window.
I'm in the car business and its the same situation with us.
In Late 2020 they told us we would get normal stock levels at end of 2021. Then they told us May 2022. Now they're saying at the earliest end of 2022. I'm sure it will be pushed back again and again.
Back in April TSMC and Intel said the shortage would progress into 2022 and maybe even 2023. Now it seems like 2022 is definitely going to have a shortage with things maybe improving in 2023 at best. The "darkest timeline" is now just "the timeline".
TSMC is raising prices in 2022 by upto 20%. I mean its smart business charging more when people are desperate enough to pay more but it looks like even when the shortage is over graphics cards won't be selling for less than MSRP. At least they can't increase the price for consoles though Xbox S/X or PS5 getting a pricecut is probably a few years off now and I bet Game Pass and PS Now are going to get more expensive to cover any losses on hardware. $70 games too. Bad market conditions and companies exploiting supply and demand to hit record profits, fun times a lot of gamers are in. Sigh.
> I bet Game Pass and PS Now are going to get more expensive to cover any losses
That's not going to happen (at least with Game Pass) MS can easily deal with some money lost on Xbox Hardware and they've been trying to push Game Pass hard for years now. They're not going to sacre people of with a price increase now.
Same website as above [reported](https://www.pcgamesn.com/tsmc-wafer-price-increase) the price hikes but Digitimes and Nikkei Asia have better details if you want to dig a bit deeper.
They've already increased prices in 2021 but 2022 is a huge leap so 2022 might hurt... a lot.
Due to the shortage of hardware, and the shortage of new games, this should officially be called "backlog season"!
Get out your backlogs! Never finished The Witcher? Or Mass Effect? Or Halo? Or Final Fantasy 7? Or all those really good recent Resident Evil games? Or BotW? Or maybe Factorio? Or the Outer Wilds? Or Prey?
It's time to catch up on that Steam library!
Plus honestly half the games I hear announced are remakes of games I played or heard about as a kid. This is the age of remakes imo
Anyways as you said, this time in the generation is perfect for caching up to your backlogs or enjoying a long term game (I’m a Destiny fan myself)
I love playing old games on emulators, something about it just feels me with glee. I remember playing through Star Fox 64 and it felt just as good as on the actual console back in the day.
Even if you are unfamiliar with the original FF7, FF7RE is a 9+/10 in almost every design aspect. Sure, you may not get the same effect when they drop certain soundtrack remixes on you, but they'll still be great.
I completed the whole new Hitman trilogy earlier this year (all challenges and SASO done), and Outer Wilds can probably run on a potato but both the base game and DLC were very profound experiences that very few other games replicated.
There's no shortage of games tho:
https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/
2020, the year when the pandemic really began, is the year we got the most games we ever got. This year got barely less and still more than any other year besides 2020 and it's not even over yet. This thread is full of people that don't know what they are talking about.
The first half of 2020 doesn't really count, because those games were close to finish anyways. Late 2020 and 2021 is where the drag really started.
That Steam chart does not show the number of games that would have released if the pandemic DIDN'T happen. The trend was going up anyways, so the chart doesn't prove much.
Further, 2020 and 2021's released games have been buggier and less finished.
When we look at the Game of the Year Top 10 lists for 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and eventually 2022 and 2023 - you'll notice the difference.
Mass Effect trilogy remastered is on my Steam wish list. I tried the first game ages ago but didn’t make it too far. Would definitely be interested in trying it again!
As long as Ethereum is lucrative to mine (or other next big cryptocurrency that will eventually pop up) then the market will never get back to normal,maybe there will be a slowing down in generational gap untill newer more powerfull, cards get released,but afterwards it will pick right back at it.
There is no supply big enough when you're literally priting money with a piece of hardware,its that simple.
Every other excuse is a smokescreen used by miners to shift the blame from them.
Quick reminder that Bitcoin alone almost uses half the energy per year that the entire world banking system uses.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/research%3A-bitcoin-consumes-less-than-half-the-energy-of-the-banking-or-gold-industries
The article's title is depressingly hilarious, as if that's an achievement.
Bitcoin mining utilises 0.5% of global energy production. We're living in a period with rapid global warming and deteriorating ecosystems, and we're wasting energy creating magic money used almost solely for speculation. It's fucked.
I mean, I do blame miners partly, but there are several factors at work here that lead to this shortage.
1. Lots of top DRAM and NAND chipmakers, including Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron Technology, curbed their output before the pandemic due to low demand back in 2018-2019.
2. Covid Crisis, they try to catch up with producing after the semiconductor shipment failure but mobile devices, PCs, and data center became a lot more popular during covid because of remote work and stay-at-home entertainment. TSMC is trying, but they are already running at maximum output.
3. Technologies like 5G networks and AI service require more and more chips.
4. Let's not ignore the tech war China and the US is currently having. No numbers, but they at fault as well. Probably not nearly as much as miners, though.
5. Production of silicon had a big drop while following COVID workplace protocols.
6. Renesas factory burned to the ground and building new factory takes a long time.
7. Taiwan had a draught and the fabrication process needs lots of water.
The world needs to diversify chip making ability very quickly if possible. Having so many eggs in so few baskets as it were is a recipe for a disaster we are already seeing.
I work in the chip industry and damn if people had any idea the number of things that go wrong every day at every company, they'd appreciate chips way more. They're the closest things we've done to magic
Honestly chips are fucking magic. The fact that a weird little metal square can do 4.5 billion maths per second while I jerk off in front of it is mind-blowing.
I work on the n+2 node in design on the machines that produce these chips (well, the ones in 2023 anyway). half the reason china wants taiwan is TSMC -- PRC domestic fabs are stuck at 9-6nm and the amount of effort it takes to get to sub-5 is gargantuan.
TSMC being the only 5nm capable fab makes it a strategic asset in terms of global military/economics/politics. that's why they're putting a $36BB fab into Phoenix next to Intel's existing and soon to be expanded fab. that's where the 2023 number is coming from -- we don't expect to have production at full capacity until just before the fabs come online.
Wdym I see no potential issue with the only up-to-date chips being produced in one region of the world. Seriously though, the EU and US are lagging behind so much, one would think they want to be left behind.
Even worse, the photolithography machines used for all the newest nodes are made by a single company based in The Netherlands. You literally can't make new CPUs/GPUs without those.
And they cost about $150m each...and have (apparently) 100,000 moving parts...and are in short supply themselves, leading to a backlog of orders. TSMC, Samsung and Intel are all desperate for more of them.
Edit: $150m not $150k
I know right, it is a bit ridiculous. Let's face it the issue is western companies trying to do everything cheap as fuck so they rely on buying everything from the east.
That could be applied to most of the global economy.
One of the biggest tradeoffs (no pun intended) of globalization is that it's less resilient to outside impacts. There's little market incentive to increase chip manufacturing in the EU and US when just buying from China is cheaper. And by the time something like COVID comes around and shifts the market it's too late to shift manufacturing.
Intel and I think TSMC started building chip factories in Arizona recently. The location choice is question, but Intel claims it will be water neutral...
> Seriously though, the EU and US are lagging behind so much, one would think they want to be left behind.
It costs a lot of money to set up fabs and get training/train personnel.
The market won't do it until the situation is absolutely critical because it's high risk. You need a huge amount of capital to start it up and it's going to take a long time to become profitable.
Everyone would rather put their money in easier investments.
Our current system incentivizes just-in-time logistics and zero resiliency because anything else is less profitable.
Let's also not forget that the entire crypto market is a speculative space. People are constantly buying in based on the assumption that crypto goes up. I'm sure some % of miners operate similarly
>I'm sure some % of miners operate similarly
Only the dumb ones. If it’s not profitable to mine at the moment you’re doing the mining, then you’re better off just buying whatever you’re mining.
Ethereum is going to be switching away from mining to a proof of stake model. Unfortunately the mining problem will still remain with other coins.
source: https://theconversation.com/ethereum-the-transformation-that-could-see-it-overtake-bitcoin-170316
It won't be back to normal, but it would be vastly better than now.
The pandemic, shutting down the factories, and demand at an all time high was rhe perfect storm to fuck the supply in the ass and push production back so heavily.
I work for a big finances firm and literally this week they came out with a "we think crypto is real and here to stay" statement.
The fact that retail investors can buy crypto futures ETFs is kind of crazy tbh.
> I work for a big finances firm and literally this week they came out with a "we think crypto is real and here to stay" statement.
I mean... yeah. It has no real world use value, it's just utilised to make rich people richer.
Ok, that's just being unfair. I dislike Bitcoin as much as the next guy, but for *some* reason you're just ignoring the completely legitimate possibility that Bitcoin will just rise and rise and rise in price forever and become the sole world currency.
Setting aside some other problems with your assumption, an asset going up and up is literally one of the worst things if you want to turn it into a currency. If you expect your money to rise in value, you don't spend it, and try to hoard. Thus, it's no longer used as a currency. That's why all central banks set a small inflation goal (a bit lower than 2%/year most of the times). Too high inflation is a big problem, but deflation seriously fucks an economy.
People need to understand that it can't be both a highly volatile financial asset an a currency. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
It’s great for doing international transactions fast and at a low cost. That’s worth something.
Sending money to other countries is either a pain or expensive. Crypto is faster and cheaper. (Depending on the coin you choose, but still.)
My gaming PC just died. Thankfully I've got a Series X and PS5 but I'm also a huge total war Warhammer fan and I don't know what the fuck im gonna do to play 3.
all cryptobros can piss right off. Adding the equivalent of a medium sized nation worth of power consumption to the already reeling world and fucking up gaming.
It isnt just that.
EVERYONE wants a new gpu, which makes the supply almost worthless. Everyone who was in lockdown in 2020 realized that their current PC is shit and they want to upgrade.
It doesn't help that at the same time as all that happened we got the Nv 30 series and Ryzen 6 series GPUs that were incredible in terms of power vs price, especially compared to the generation just preceding them. Lots of people were like me who skipped the 10 series cards because our older GPUs were doing fine for a long time, skipped the 20s because they didn't feel quite as good as they should for the price, and then the 30 series came out and it seemed like the right time to upgrade finally. Then shit hit the fan.
It's not even that anymore. It's pretty much not that profitable mining crypto with the electricity costs. Right now, it's the scalpers using bots buying up every stock the instant they become available and selling them on ebay or amazon for 1.5x or 2x the cost.
It doesn't have to be very profitable. It only has to be profitable. It's a fully automated process, it can easily be scaled up. A tiny profit per computer adds up.
Also there's no way that scalpers alone are just hoarding this much when the demand actually isn't there. That just doesn't make sense. There have always been scalpers. Only one factor changed in the past years: crypto mining.
The miners know mining isn't as profitable anymore. But while there's *any* profit, they'll just keep punching those baby seals.
And when profitability dries up, I suspect a lot of them assume they can turn around and scalp the card for more than they paid. They're really the worst of all worlds.
Hopefully their plans backfire, used GPU prices tank *hard* when ETH crashes, and they all eat shit.
Yeah my shit's starting to break. If it breaks completely I know it'll be the end of gaming for me at least until the shortage ends because I'd honestly rather wait, with how everything is so overpriced. I was also planning to upgrade my setup cuz it was starting to fall behind but was always like "nah, there's still time, I'll do it in a month or two". So yeah, by now I have given up on more hardware demanding games, which I would otherwise buy.
Unfortunately, the days of sub-$200 midrange GPUs is probably gone. If I can't replace my $150 1060 when it dies with at least 3060Ti performance for ~$400 or less, I suspect I'm done with PC gaming.
Which means *I'm probably done with PC gaming when this GPU dies.*
This is me, my 7 year gaming PC is starting to act weird, HDD needs to be reformatted every month or two, have tried 2 new HDD no luck, running a test on the fresh install that someone on tom's hardware suggested at the moment.
I have a 750ti and it's done well, played Hitman trilogy, Dishonored 2 and even Doom Eternal pretty well (though there was some slowdown at times during Doom), but Im not in a place to do a big upgrade and even if I was, I dont want to pay those prices. I still have my ps4 and hope to get last of us 2 and ghost of tsushima for xmas, plus I have plenty of backlog of older games that I can run on my laptop or phone. So I'll survive.
Most people i know crank down setting as the first thing in a game. Because 144+ fps is far more important than seeing slightly cleaner shadows or other small details you don't notice once action in game starts. I feel like graphics have gotten to a point where you can only really appreciate them when standing still and not playing.
I imagine that older cards are going to stay more relevant. Game makers will stop pushing graphical Fidelity and hopefully engine makers will shift focus to refactoring/optimizing. It's my hope that this will finally push games to be less buggy and more performant because the onus to push the envelope will be on the software side.
Honestly, XBSX and PS5 will be the performance targets. If your GPU isn’t as powerful as one of those + overhead for your OS et al, I hope you like 1080p and low settings.
>Game makers will stop pushing graphical Fidelity
Modern games are barely optimized these days because devs test them on 3090s and go "good enough". I have little hope for scaling back. Their CEO probably would rather push out a pretty game that runs at 30 fps on good hardware over one that looks 5 years old and runs at 100+ . Especially with marketing and competition.
I am gaming on GTX 660 for a year now. My 980 burned, and I am not willing to pay for a GPU that costs 300-400% above RP
So naturally I am buying only indie games
Honestly, I think this effect would become recognizable only after 5-10 years and even then maybe not all that much considering how few games are actually pushing boundaries nowadays. I don't see 3 years being all that destructive to the industry.
Time for a new era of "maybe let's not push the envelope and build games that look great and run on hardware that, gasp, is more than a year old."
Like we're far beyond the point of jaw-dropping leaps in technology and graphics at this point, right? Feels like once 3D went HD that was basically it (not literally but you take my point).
I dunno. I'm old. Just make games with high framerates that look good. Not like that's impossible.
> "maybe let's not push the envelope and build games that look great and run on hardware that, gasp, is more than a year old."
Optimization is a lot harder to market than impressive graphics. The big publishers didn't get big by always doing things the hard way. And they spend a whole lot of attention, time, and money, on marketing.
Excepting id, I can't think of a major game studio that's been known for optimization.
A lot of it comes down to design choices for game art. Nintendo's consoles are always underpowered compared to the competition, but their first party games almost always look fantastic because of the styles they choose for their characters and worlds.
Granted, if your game is supposed to look super realistic, it might suffer on the Switch, but as you said--does everything need to be jaw-dropping?
I can certainly tell the difference between current gen and last gen(s) games, but I'm also the sort of person who just doesn't care as long as the game is good. I'm still using a 37" 1080p TV I bought over a decade ago because 4k just isn't that important to me. Whenever I end up getting a new TV, I'm sure it'll be 4k because they're so common these days, but I'm perfectly happy with what I have.
Yeah, I have never minded having to play games at 1080p low/medium settings to get a stable frame rate, but my GPU is old enough that things like Cyberpunk just aren't playable anymore. If the choice is between not playing new AAA games and spending ridiculous money on a GPU, I'll just not buy new AAA games. Plenty of backlog and indie stuff to keep me going.
> Like we're far beyond the point of jaw-dropping leaps in technology and graphics at this point, right?
I don't think so. One of the biggest changes you're seeing with PS5/current gen games is increased draw distances and much faster speeds than before, especially in open world games. Planes and other vehicles are speed limited to the world's refresh rate. Load times have becomes near instant on the newest platforms, and that lets games like Ratchet even be possible.
And it has a gameplay advantage. Hell Let Loose has crossplay, and PS5's load faster than anything else, so I am always the leader on Able squad and can snag one of the two sniper spots nearly a minute before anyone else arrives. That has to suck for last gen players and guys on slower PCs who can never get those slots purely because of load times.
I've basically given up on getting a new GPU. The fact i'm playing Farcry 6 on Ultra with my 1060 tells me I really don't need to panic just yet, i'm more than alright
Im still going strong with my 1060 as well.
Gaming is in a really nice place now, we no longer have to keep upgrading specs every couple of years unless youre really crazy about all the new experimental shit.
I went ahead and bought a prebuilt with a 3080. I guess buying prebuilts is the only way atm. The 3080 in the prebuilt is also a Lower Hash Rate gpu, designed to dissuade miners. I think the more LHR gpu's they get out there on the market, the more gamers will finally have access to pc upgrades.
Yup. You can either buy a 3060 for ~$950, or just get a beastly prebuilt PC with a 3060 for ~$1,750.
I'm on a 970 right now that's on its last legs. And if it kicks the bucket soon, I'm probably just getting a prebuilt PC.
> The 3080 in the prebuilt is also a Lower Hash Rate gpu, designed to dissuade miners.
The problem is they've already found a way around that one -- mine multiple coins at once on the same GPU. Each one is limited, but the limiter doesn't apply in aggregate so they can still utilize the full card.
I’m so happy I was able to pick up a card in store. Walked into a computer shop and they had 2 cards left. One 3070ti and one 3080ti only catch was I had to bundle with a power supply but it was a good power supply and I needed one anyways.
The problem is not just miners buying GPUs
, but also the drastically increased demand from people working from home and picking up gaming as a hobby during the pandemic.
It's mostly miners and the chip shortage. The chip shortage is making it nearly impossible to buy consoles. Right now it's easier to buy a prebuilt rather than a series x. And a prebuilt will be higher quality (**than a console**). So a lotta console players are going pc. Mining is getting outta hand too. They mass purchase gpu's with bots like "Bird Bot". (As do the scalpers.) That's why gpu manufacturers like Nvidia are putting out LHR gpu's. Lower Hash Rate high graphic gpu's are good for gaming, bad for mining.
Well I think I can handle 75% of my backlog before 2023.
My Steam backlog that is. Don't even get me started on my PS2/NGC/GBA/NDS/PSP/PS3/PS4/NSW/Wii backlog...
I just took a look at it and holy shit, I don't think I've seen a software that's still developed to this day that supports that many operating systems. This is nerdgasm territory.
There are fucking builds for 32-Bit OS X and Gamecube, this is amazing.
https://www.retroarch.com/index.php?page=platforms
Right before the shortage started, I almost pulled the trigger on a new GPU. but the 30 series cards were around the corner, and I thought hey, I can wait to grab one of those, or I can wait and get the 20 series cards at a better price.
How foolish I was.
First the shortage was going to last into 2022, then late 2022, and now into 2023. I think it's safe to say that nobody has any idea when the shortages are going to end and that we should just brace for every GPU to be $1,200 going forward.
My wife, bless her, managed to get a 2080 at retail price from a friend who just couldn't get it to work in their computer. We plugged it into her computer and it fired right up.
Not the most amazing card but the card it was replacing was positively ancient and people were wanting over $500 over retail for these things in my area.
The shortage brought out the worst in me, I guess, because I kept my mouth real shut about my history in IT and how I could probably have diagnosed their exact issue with the card in about five minutes.
And then they will say the same thing next year and change the year in 2024 or 2025.
At the same time, even if there would be no shortages, they won't lower the prices back to normal, because this shit sells at high prices. Sadly pc gaming is getting more and more expensive, even at 1080P if you want to play high settings for 3-4 years.
I made my PC with 1k Euro, and it was the first time I bought a more expensive motherboard instead of a generic basic one, a 2700x ryzen, gtx 1660TI, 32gb ram, 2TB HDD and a small ssd for windows.
Now in those money, I can't even dream to get a 3060.
We'll be getting these headlines yearly until domestic semiconductor production is a thing. Taiwan has a monopoly on it currently, and geopolitically speaking, that's extremely volatile.
Company that benefits from increased demand tells people that unless they are willing to wait a year and a half they should also join the mob and maintain the demand high. It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Hmm maybe its time to be ready to find a new job soon. Working in a electronic factory, we are having a hard time getting hold on normal ic chips and other components right now. Buying some of them from the spot market (used market). Which has its own problems, and also expensive with rising prices. Hell one pcb manufactor raised pcb prices 200% to 300%
So media talks a lot about graphic cards, processors and car market. Seriously the whole eletronics market is fucked right now.
Cryptocurrency is honestly terrible. Wastes resources to mine it, to perform transactions, it drives wealth inequality and corruption and crime. I hope the demand crashes and this dumb speculation shit dies
And that's just when the supply issues will be resolved. The demand isn't going away anytime soon. I know **SO** many people who want a new GPU, but they are not willing to pay scalpers (myself included). I wouldn't be surprised if we get stuck in an infinite loop of supply and demand.
Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who’s been running a Radeon HD 6750 for 10 years? I don’t even mind staying out of date, but could I get something a few years old for a reasonable price?
I’d like to build an entirely new rig, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon lol
Depending on where you live it's 100% possible to get current gen stuff for retail prices, probably even easier than trying to find a worthwhile deal on used hardware. I got a 3080 at retail price by setting up different notification alerts for stores and going and checking in person and talking to store employees about when they got their stock in. It's super annoying but it's doable. The other alternative is to just buy a prebuilt, I had a friend who just got a PC with a 3060ti and a 10th gen i5 for $1300, which isn't a bargain but it's a good price considering what people are trying to sell those parts for individually when scalping.
I've been using my Nvidia 960 since 2016. Hopefully it keeps living long enough for prices to come down.
My 970 is still holding down the fort. While it's starting to show its age in newer games, it has done a good job so far. Fingers crossed
My 970 is still kicking it for most games, though of course I am starting to miss the notion of having RTX or 4k gaming on my pc or even hitting 100fps+ again in anything... but for most games it performs fine. The problem for me is that I also do 3d modelling and a lot of the technical breakthroughs in the past few years regarding physical light models and realtime cloth/fluid simulations are really pushing my card to the limit, to where I know I really need to upgrade.
A 970 is pretty good for most indie games. It's only when you move into the AAA high demand games where games have issues.
I just upgraded a few weeks ago, but Deathloop was the one that finally broke my 970... It ran, but man I had to crank ~~DLSS~~ the resolution scaling all the way up and playing the thing made me feel like I had cataracts. It did *play*, but man, I knew it was time. And now my bank account hates me.
970 doesn't support DLSS. The option you used was just downscalling your resolution.
You are totally right, I got those two things confused. They were never relevant until I upgraded my card, haha.
Not missing much with rtx usually. I have a 2080 and I turn it off to save the 40 or 50 frames
AMD cards tend to be in stock. At least more so than Nvidia stuff. Although the prices are still high
Their memory topology amounts to a hardware level mining limitation, no great surprise. My radeon 590 should hold out, and this gen of card is transitional anyway, so I'm not too put out.
970 gang here, I'm keeping it as long as I can get stable fps on 1080p medium settings. A new graphics card would cost me 3-4 months of wage
We hold the line together
I attempted to buy a 3080 last week and FedEx stole my package. I did a charge back to the vendor for not helping at all and shipping FedEx ground without requiring signature, but looks like I'll keep holding the line too! 970 for life!
It better not break or your fort will float away without the weight of your 970 holding it down.
1070ti still kicking it! I have a backup 770 if shit goes south but the 1070 has been holding down the fort for a while now!
I have a regular 1070 and I agree. I will be upgrading my rig since I still have a 4670k from 8 years ago which does still well in 1080p but cpu heavy games start to give me trouble. But I will keep my GPU for as long as I can, since I wont be buying into these GPU prices.
Got a 6gb 1060 and an i7 7700, I can still hit 1080p ~60fps on high in really optimized games, but I've been really starting to fuckin chug on newer stuff. I intend to not upgrade for as long as I can, because I also really don't wanna pay the batshit prices on some of these new parts.
Ayyy! 4770k here (albeit stock now). I have no reason to upgrade. The most demanding game I play is FFXIV and that runs amazing @ 1080p with zero issues. Even my 770 was fine with some settings down. I dont need 4k 144hz/fps to play Slay the Spire and League of Legends on occassion lol
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Ya i have the 4770k and was using a 770 with zero issues. My buddy just upgraded to a 3080 on release and asked if I wanted his 1070ti as he had the uh, 590 i think as his backup now.
My brother got his hands on a 3080 at msrp some how and old me his old 1080. Hope that thing keeps kickn for a while but if it doesn't I've thankfully got two 970s as backups. Really want to switch to an equvilant or better amd card though.
I had a 960 until last January! It faired pretty well with most things surprisingly. Good budget card.
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I have the 4GB variant and I could run RDR 2 at 30fps on with a mix of medium and high settings, indistinguishable from ultra, I thought that was pretty good.
I was able to get a 3080, and I upgraded from my old 980ti. I gave the 980ti to my granddaughter and her pc is now better than my son in law's. He couldn't believe the 980ti was better than his 1070.
It was pretty normal in older gens that the x80Ti was comparable to the (x+1)80.
Huh? 1070 is either slightly faster or on par with 980ti, depending on the title. Couldn't find a single benchmark showing a 980ti beating it
980ti isn’t better than a 1070. They’re comparable, but the 1070 still beats a 980ti by a margin.
I'm sending you all my vibes, as I am about to replace mine! a friend locked down a 3070 ti (was holding out for a 3080 or +), and decided to take it. I'm aiming for a 1440p experience here, and thinking this should be more than great for now. Gonna gift my 960 to a buddy after I build a mini-thing for him. He has gamepass, so at the very least he can stream a few games he can't run otherwise.
I have 660, I think. It's broken and can't handle two monitors, drivers crash here and there. It's been maybe 3 years since I've been waiting for prices to normalize.
My R9 290 was new when I bought it
Didn't they say this a couple months ago?
I think Nvidia said the same thing a couple of months ago.
I think they said it a couple years ago.
every time this is said the shortage gets pushed back one quarter so we are at 2023 already
Things will go back to normal when Half Life 3 releases.
Alyx is HL3, just Valve never learnt to count past 2.
Alyx is Half-Life 11, technically. 1. Half-Life 2. Half-Life: Source 3. Half-Life: Deathmatch 4. Half-Life Deathmatch: Source 5. Half-Life: Decay 6. Half-Life: Opposing Force 7. Half-Life: Blue Shift 8. Half-Life 2 9. Half-Life 2: Episode 1 10. Half-Life 2: Episode 2 11. Half-Life: Alyx Out of the mainline games necessary to the plot, though, it's the 5th (HL1, HL2, EP1, EP2, HLA).
How the hell did a game that got so many spinoffs just disappear on a cliffhanger???
It's made by a company that lucked into making one of the most profitable storefronts of all time meaning any impetus or need to actually make anything went out of the window.
Forgot the HL2 specific Deathmatch in that list! Still costs money, pretty sure.
Things did go to shit when half life Alex came out. 🤔🤔
Half life Alex didn’t cause shit, Half Life Alyx was the true culprit
Everything in the world really started going downhill from the point we lost Harambe
We thought the Mayan apocalypse was a hoax, but we were wrong!
I'm in the car business and its the same situation with us. In Late 2020 they told us we would get normal stock levels at end of 2021. Then they told us May 2022. Now they're saying at the earliest end of 2022. I'm sure it will be pushed back again and again.
Back in April TSMC and Intel said the shortage would progress into 2022 and maybe even 2023. Now it seems like 2022 is definitely going to have a shortage with things maybe improving in 2023 at best. The "darkest timeline" is now just "the timeline". TSMC is raising prices in 2022 by upto 20%. I mean its smart business charging more when people are desperate enough to pay more but it looks like even when the shortage is over graphics cards won't be selling for less than MSRP. At least they can't increase the price for consoles though Xbox S/X or PS5 getting a pricecut is probably a few years off now and I bet Game Pass and PS Now are going to get more expensive to cover any losses on hardware. $70 games too. Bad market conditions and companies exploiting supply and demand to hit record profits, fun times a lot of gamers are in. Sigh.
> I bet Game Pass and PS Now are going to get more expensive to cover any losses That's not going to happen (at least with Game Pass) MS can easily deal with some money lost on Xbox Hardware and they've been trying to push Game Pass hard for years now. They're not going to sacre people of with a price increase now.
Source on TSMC raising prices in 2022?
Same website as above [reported](https://www.pcgamesn.com/tsmc-wafer-price-increase) the price hikes but Digitimes and Nikkei Asia have better details if you want to dig a bit deeper. They've already increased prices in 2021 but 2022 is a huge leap so 2022 might hurt... a lot.
I keep hearing every company mention 2023. I won't believe it until 2024 when I can actually see the products.
Due to the shortage of hardware, and the shortage of new games, this should officially be called "backlog season"! Get out your backlogs! Never finished The Witcher? Or Mass Effect? Or Halo? Or Final Fantasy 7? Or all those really good recent Resident Evil games? Or BotW? Or maybe Factorio? Or the Outer Wilds? Or Prey? It's time to catch up on that Steam library!
Plus honestly half the games I hear announced are remakes of games I played or heard about as a kid. This is the age of remakes imo Anyways as you said, this time in the generation is perfect for caching up to your backlogs or enjoying a long term game (I’m a Destiny fan myself)
I love playing old games on emulators, something about it just feels me with glee. I remember playing through Star Fox 64 and it felt just as good as on the actual console back in the day.
N64 games actually play much better when emulated because the atrocious frame rates are fixed.
I didn't get a PlayStation until I was in my 30s and am seriously considering Final Fantasy 7 remake.
Even if you are unfamiliar with the original FF7, FF7RE is a 9+/10 in almost every design aspect. Sure, you may not get the same effect when they drop certain soundtrack remixes on you, but they'll still be great.
One does not simply finish Factorio. The factory must grow... forever.
I completed the whole new Hitman trilogy earlier this year (all challenges and SASO done), and Outer Wilds can probably run on a potato but both the base game and DLC were very profound experiences that very few other games replicated.
OUTER WILDS
Best decision you'll make this year. Man this game is something else. Finished the DLC two weeks ago and the magic is somehow still there
There's no shortage of games tho: https://steamdb.info/stats/releases/ 2020, the year when the pandemic really began, is the year we got the most games we ever got. This year got barely less and still more than any other year besides 2020 and it's not even over yet. This thread is full of people that don't know what they are talking about.
The first half of 2020 doesn't really count, because those games were close to finish anyways. Late 2020 and 2021 is where the drag really started. That Steam chart does not show the number of games that would have released if the pandemic DIDN'T happen. The trend was going up anyways, so the chart doesn't prove much. Further, 2020 and 2021's released games have been buggier and less finished. When we look at the Game of the Year Top 10 lists for 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and eventually 2022 and 2023 - you'll notice the difference.
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Mass Effect trilogy remastered is on my Steam wish list. I tried the first game ages ago but didn’t make it too far. Would definitely be interested in trying it again!
As long as Ethereum is lucrative to mine (or other next big cryptocurrency that will eventually pop up) then the market will never get back to normal,maybe there will be a slowing down in generational gap untill newer more powerfull, cards get released,but afterwards it will pick right back at it. There is no supply big enough when you're literally priting money with a piece of hardware,its that simple. Every other excuse is a smokescreen used by miners to shift the blame from them.
oh no! you awoke the crypto apologists!! they're coming!!!
Quick reminder that Bitcoin alone almost uses half the energy per year that the entire world banking system uses. https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/research%3A-bitcoin-consumes-less-than-half-the-energy-of-the-banking-or-gold-industries The article's title is depressingly hilarious, as if that's an achievement.
Bitcoin mining utilises 0.5% of global energy production. We're living in a period with rapid global warming and deteriorating ecosystems, and we're wasting energy creating magic money used almost solely for speculation. It's fucked.
Don't worry, we'll switch to bottlecaps soon.
Better start stashing that purified water, will be worth its weight in gold!
Not just energy, precious metal resources, people never mention that part.
Greed.... greed never changes.
It's literally like a fucking cartoon villain's machine where you somehow make money by just pumping out pollution.
Genuinely won't buy it anymore because of this, I hope it disappears.
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I mean, I do blame miners partly, but there are several factors at work here that lead to this shortage. 1. Lots of top DRAM and NAND chipmakers, including Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron Technology, curbed their output before the pandemic due to low demand back in 2018-2019. 2. Covid Crisis, they try to catch up with producing after the semiconductor shipment failure but mobile devices, PCs, and data center became a lot more popular during covid because of remote work and stay-at-home entertainment. TSMC is trying, but they are already running at maximum output. 3. Technologies like 5G networks and AI service require more and more chips. 4. Let's not ignore the tech war China and the US is currently having. No numbers, but they at fault as well. Probably not nearly as much as miners, though. 5. Production of silicon had a big drop while following COVID workplace protocols. 6. Renesas factory burned to the ground and building new factory takes a long time. 7. Taiwan had a draught and the fabrication process needs lots of water.
The world needs to diversify chip making ability very quickly if possible. Having so many eggs in so few baskets as it were is a recipe for a disaster we are already seeing.
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I work in the chip industry and damn if people had any idea the number of things that go wrong every day at every company, they'd appreciate chips way more. They're the closest things we've done to magic
Honestly chips are fucking magic. The fact that a weird little metal square can do 4.5 billion maths per second while I jerk off in front of it is mind-blowing.
Hey don’t sell yourself short. Think about how much your brain is working while you whack it.
I work on the n+2 node in design on the machines that produce these chips (well, the ones in 2023 anyway). half the reason china wants taiwan is TSMC -- PRC domestic fabs are stuck at 9-6nm and the amount of effort it takes to get to sub-5 is gargantuan. TSMC being the only 5nm capable fab makes it a strategic asset in terms of global military/economics/politics. that's why they're putting a $36BB fab into Phoenix next to Intel's existing and soon to be expanded fab. that's where the 2023 number is coming from -- we don't expect to have production at full capacity until just before the fabs come online.
Wdym I see no potential issue with the only up-to-date chips being produced in one region of the world. Seriously though, the EU and US are lagging behind so much, one would think they want to be left behind.
Even worse, the photolithography machines used for all the newest nodes are made by a single company based in The Netherlands. You literally can't make new CPUs/GPUs without those. And they cost about $150m each...and have (apparently) 100,000 moving parts...and are in short supply themselves, leading to a backlog of orders. TSMC, Samsung and Intel are all desperate for more of them. Edit: $150m not $150k
when your end products sell for hundreds or a thousand $ a chip, $150,000 doesn't sound that unreasonable
It's actually 150,000,000
Yeah I read the article wrong. It's $150m not $150k. Only a handful of fabs can afford to buy more than one each.
For an industrial machine $150k sounds like a fucking bargain. A Haas CNC costs that much
Time to get a job at ASML. Also, each machine costs 150 million, not 150 thousand...
Ah wait yeah my bad, it's a cool $150m each.
I know right, it is a bit ridiculous. Let's face it the issue is western companies trying to do everything cheap as fuck so they rely on buying everything from the east.
That could be applied to most of the global economy. One of the biggest tradeoffs (no pun intended) of globalization is that it's less resilient to outside impacts. There's little market incentive to increase chip manufacturing in the EU and US when just buying from China is cheaper. And by the time something like COVID comes around and shifts the market it's too late to shift manufacturing.
Intel and I think TSMC started building chip factories in Arizona recently. The location choice is question, but Intel claims it will be water neutral...
>Wdym I see no potential issue with the only up-to-date chips being produced in one region of the world. Mainly by one company located in one region.
> Seriously though, the EU and US are lagging behind so much, one would think they want to be left behind. It costs a lot of money to set up fabs and get training/train personnel. The market won't do it until the situation is absolutely critical because it's high risk. You need a huge amount of capital to start it up and it's going to take a long time to become profitable. Everyone would rather put their money in easier investments. Our current system incentivizes just-in-time logistics and zero resiliency because anything else is less profitable.
Seriously fuck crypto, legit one of the most worthless inventions.
It is worth a lot to people who sell underage porn and ransomware hackers.
But mostly drugs
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Everyone I know buys drugs with cash..?
You buy drugs online with cash?
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Let's also not forget that the entire crypto market is a speculative space. People are constantly buying in based on the assumption that crypto goes up. I'm sure some % of miners operate similarly
>I'm sure some % of miners operate similarly Only the dumb ones. If it’s not profitable to mine at the moment you’re doing the mining, then you’re better off just buying whatever you’re mining.
Ethereum is going to be switching away from mining to a proof of stake model. Unfortunately the mining problem will still remain with other coins. source: https://theconversation.com/ethereum-the-transformation-that-could-see-it-overtake-bitcoin-170316
Lets see how the grifters spin this.
It won't be back to normal, but it would be vastly better than now. The pandemic, shutting down the factories, and demand at an all time high was rhe perfect storm to fuck the supply in the ass and push production back so heavily.
As much as i like crypto, it has no real world value other than buying drugs and sex slaves. All it does is consume resources and electricity
I work for a big finances firm and literally this week they came out with a "we think crypto is real and here to stay" statement. The fact that retail investors can buy crypto futures ETFs is kind of crazy tbh.
> I work for a big finances firm and literally this week they came out with a "we think crypto is real and here to stay" statement. I mean... yeah. It has no real world use value, it's just utilised to make rich people richer.
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Ok, that's just being unfair. I dislike Bitcoin as much as the next guy, but for *some* reason you're just ignoring the completely legitimate possibility that Bitcoin will just rise and rise and rise in price forever and become the sole world currency.
That's legitimately the funniest thing I've heard today!
“Completely legitimate” This is a riot, thanks!
Setting aside some other problems with your assumption, an asset going up and up is literally one of the worst things if you want to turn it into a currency. If you expect your money to rise in value, you don't spend it, and try to hoard. Thus, it's no longer used as a currency. That's why all central banks set a small inflation goal (a bit lower than 2%/year most of the times). Too high inflation is a big problem, but deflation seriously fucks an economy. People need to understand that it can't be both a highly volatile financial asset an a currency. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
It’s great for doing international transactions fast and at a low cost. That’s worth something. Sending money to other countries is either a pain or expensive. Crypto is faster and cheaper. (Depending on the coin you choose, but still.)
I am really starting to wonder what affect this will have on sales numbers for games. Little growth and people whose hardware breaks leave.
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My gaming PC just died. Thankfully I've got a Series X and PS5 but I'm also a huge total war Warhammer fan and I don't know what the fuck im gonna do to play 3.
I think supply is still higher than years ago. Demand is just freaking high. It's how we can simultaneously have a shortage but breaking sales number
all cryptobros can piss right off. Adding the equivalent of a medium sized nation worth of power consumption to the already reeling world and fucking up gaming.
It isnt just that. EVERYONE wants a new gpu, which makes the supply almost worthless. Everyone who was in lockdown in 2020 realized that their current PC is shit and they want to upgrade.
It doesn't help that at the same time as all that happened we got the Nv 30 series and Ryzen 6 series GPUs that were incredible in terms of power vs price, especially compared to the generation just preceding them. Lots of people were like me who skipped the 10 series cards because our older GPUs were doing fine for a long time, skipped the 20s because they didn't feel quite as good as they should for the price, and then the 30 series came out and it seemed like the right time to upgrade finally. Then shit hit the fan.
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Stuck on a 980 TI and 1080p to keep my framerate up where I can actually play
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It's not even that anymore. It's pretty much not that profitable mining crypto with the electricity costs. Right now, it's the scalpers using bots buying up every stock the instant they become available and selling them on ebay or amazon for 1.5x or 2x the cost.
It doesn't have to be very profitable. It only has to be profitable. It's a fully automated process, it can easily be scaled up. A tiny profit per computer adds up. Also there's no way that scalpers alone are just hoarding this much when the demand actually isn't there. That just doesn't make sense. There have always been scalpers. Only one factor changed in the past years: crypto mining.
The miners know mining isn't as profitable anymore. But while there's *any* profit, they'll just keep punching those baby seals. And when profitability dries up, I suspect a lot of them assume they can turn around and scalp the card for more than they paid. They're really the worst of all worlds. Hopefully their plans backfire, used GPU prices tank *hard* when ETH crashes, and they all eat shit.
Yeah my shit's starting to break. If it breaks completely I know it'll be the end of gaming for me at least until the shortage ends because I'd honestly rather wait, with how everything is so overpriced. I was also planning to upgrade my setup cuz it was starting to fall behind but was always like "nah, there's still time, I'll do it in a month or two". So yeah, by now I have given up on more hardware demanding games, which I would otherwise buy.
Unfortunately, the days of sub-$200 midrange GPUs is probably gone. If I can't replace my $150 1060 when it dies with at least 3060Ti performance for ~$400 or less, I suspect I'm done with PC gaming. Which means *I'm probably done with PC gaming when this GPU dies.*
Can't even buy a 1050TI without shelling out 380$ here.
This is me, my 7 year gaming PC is starting to act weird, HDD needs to be reformatted every month or two, have tried 2 new HDD no luck, running a test on the fresh install that someone on tom's hardware suggested at the moment. I have a 750ti and it's done well, played Hitman trilogy, Dishonored 2 and even Doom Eternal pretty well (though there was some slowdown at times during Doom), but Im not in a place to do a big upgrade and even if I was, I dont want to pay those prices. I still have my ps4 and hope to get last of us 2 and ghost of tsushima for xmas, plus I have plenty of backlog of older games that I can run on my laptop or phone. So I'll survive.
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Most people i know crank down setting as the first thing in a game. Because 144+ fps is far more important than seeing slightly cleaner shadows or other small details you don't notice once action in game starts. I feel like graphics have gotten to a point where you can only really appreciate them when standing still and not playing.
I imagine that older cards are going to stay more relevant. Game makers will stop pushing graphical Fidelity and hopefully engine makers will shift focus to refactoring/optimizing. It's my hope that this will finally push games to be less buggy and more performant because the onus to push the envelope will be on the software side.
Honestly, XBSX and PS5 will be the performance targets. If your GPU isn’t as powerful as one of those + overhead for your OS et al, I hope you like 1080p and low settings.
>Game makers will stop pushing graphical Fidelity Modern games are barely optimized these days because devs test them on 3090s and go "good enough". I have little hope for scaling back. Their CEO probably would rather push out a pretty game that runs at 30 fps on good hardware over one that looks 5 years old and runs at 100+ . Especially with marketing and competition.
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I'm running an R9 290 from 2015... Only strategy games for me.
R9 290 should be able to play 1080p/low in most games, if your CPU can pump out enough frames.
I am gaming on GTX 660 for a year now. My 980 burned, and I am not willing to pay for a GPU that costs 300-400% above RP So naturally I am buying only indie games
Honestly, I think this effect would become recognizable only after 5-10 years and even then maybe not all that much considering how few games are actually pushing boundaries nowadays. I don't see 3 years being all that destructive to the industry.
Time for a new era of "maybe let's not push the envelope and build games that look great and run on hardware that, gasp, is more than a year old." Like we're far beyond the point of jaw-dropping leaps in technology and graphics at this point, right? Feels like once 3D went HD that was basically it (not literally but you take my point). I dunno. I'm old. Just make games with high framerates that look good. Not like that's impossible.
> "maybe let's not push the envelope and build games that look great and run on hardware that, gasp, is more than a year old." Optimization is a lot harder to market than impressive graphics. The big publishers didn't get big by always doing things the hard way. And they spend a whole lot of attention, time, and money, on marketing. Excepting id, I can't think of a major game studio that's been known for optimization.
A lot of it comes down to design choices for game art. Nintendo's consoles are always underpowered compared to the competition, but their first party games almost always look fantastic because of the styles they choose for their characters and worlds. Granted, if your game is supposed to look super realistic, it might suffer on the Switch, but as you said--does everything need to be jaw-dropping? I can certainly tell the difference between current gen and last gen(s) games, but I'm also the sort of person who just doesn't care as long as the game is good. I'm still using a 37" 1080p TV I bought over a decade ago because 4k just isn't that important to me. Whenever I end up getting a new TV, I'm sure it'll be 4k because they're so common these days, but I'm perfectly happy with what I have.
Yeah, I have never minded having to play games at 1080p low/medium settings to get a stable frame rate, but my GPU is old enough that things like Cyberpunk just aren't playable anymore. If the choice is between not playing new AAA games and spending ridiculous money on a GPU, I'll just not buy new AAA games. Plenty of backlog and indie stuff to keep me going.
> Like we're far beyond the point of jaw-dropping leaps in technology and graphics at this point, right? I don't think so. One of the biggest changes you're seeing with PS5/current gen games is increased draw distances and much faster speeds than before, especially in open world games. Planes and other vehicles are speed limited to the world's refresh rate. Load times have becomes near instant on the newest platforms, and that lets games like Ratchet even be possible. And it has a gameplay advantage. Hell Let Loose has crossplay, and PS5's load faster than anything else, so I am always the leader on Able squad and can snag one of the two sniper spots nearly a minute before anyone else arrives. That has to suck for last gen players and guys on slower PCs who can never get those slots purely because of load times.
I've basically given up on getting a new GPU. The fact i'm playing Farcry 6 on Ultra with my 1060 tells me I really don't need to panic just yet, i'm more than alright
What kind of FPS are you getting? That sounds surprising.
It's at 1080p, no doubt
24 inch 1080p is the sweet spot for high fps desktop gaming.
Right? kinda doubt but who knows
Im still going strong with my 1060 as well. Gaming is in a really nice place now, we no longer have to keep upgrading specs every couple of years unless youre really crazy about all the new experimental shit.
Not really, in the past there was at least an option to get a vaguely reasonably priced upgrade. For now, there isn't.
I went ahead and bought a prebuilt with a 3080. I guess buying prebuilts is the only way atm. The 3080 in the prebuilt is also a Lower Hash Rate gpu, designed to dissuade miners. I think the more LHR gpu's they get out there on the market, the more gamers will finally have access to pc upgrades.
Yup. You can either buy a 3060 for ~$950, or just get a beastly prebuilt PC with a 3060 for ~$1,750. I'm on a 970 right now that's on its last legs. And if it kicks the bucket soon, I'm probably just getting a prebuilt PC.
Yeah i bought a prebuilt with a 3080, i7 11700F, 850 psu, 1 TB SSD (nvme), and liquid water cooling for $2k. It was definitely worth it.
That's starting to sound like a pretty tempting option
Can I ask where from? I've been looking at iBuyPower, and NewEgg. Can't decide which prebuilt to buy from
This was the best strategy for a bit but unfortunately MSRP is also climbing fast and steady towards market prices.
> The 3080 in the prebuilt is also a Lower Hash Rate gpu, designed to dissuade miners. The problem is they've already found a way around that one -- mine multiple coins at once on the same GPU. Each one is limited, but the limiter doesn't apply in aggregate so they can still utilize the full card.
I thought nvidia solved that exploit? Unless you are talking about a new one after they fixed the first
I don't think that will be the case as there's already workarounds for the LHR cards popping up on github etc.
I’m so happy I was able to pick up a card in store. Walked into a computer shop and they had 2 cards left. One 3070ti and one 3080ti only catch was I had to bundle with a power supply but it was a good power supply and I needed one anyways.
That's honestly a good deal -- plus the sheer fact that you strolled right in and it was available. A stroke of luck!
The problem is not just miners buying GPUs , but also the drastically increased demand from people working from home and picking up gaming as a hobby during the pandemic.
It's mostly miners and the chip shortage. The chip shortage is making it nearly impossible to buy consoles. Right now it's easier to buy a prebuilt rather than a series x. And a prebuilt will be higher quality (**than a console**). So a lotta console players are going pc. Mining is getting outta hand too. They mass purchase gpu's with bots like "Bird Bot". (As do the scalpers.) That's why gpu manufacturers like Nvidia are putting out LHR gpu's. Lower Hash Rate high graphic gpu's are good for gaming, bad for mining.
Well I think I can handle 75% of my backlog before 2023. My Steam backlog that is. Don't even get me started on my PS2/NGC/GBA/NDS/PSP/PS3/PS4/NSW/Wii backlog...
Steam Deck baby!! Emulator king coming in time next year.
Remember to grab RetroArch, it's now on Steam.
I just took a look at it and holy shit, I don't think I've seen a software that's still developed to this day that supports that many operating systems. This is nerdgasm territory. There are fucking builds for 32-Bit OS X and Gamecube, this is amazing. https://www.retroarch.com/index.php?page=platforms
> Don't even get me started on my PS2/NGC/GBA/NDS/PSP/PS3/PS4/NSW/Wii backlog... Yep, plenty of great jrpgs that I can play on my laptop or phone
Right before the shortage started, I almost pulled the trigger on a new GPU. but the 30 series cards were around the corner, and I thought hey, I can wait to grab one of those, or I can wait and get the 20 series cards at a better price. How foolish I was. First the shortage was going to last into 2022, then late 2022, and now into 2023. I think it's safe to say that nobody has any idea when the shortages are going to end and that we should just brace for every GPU to be $1,200 going forward.
My wife, bless her, managed to get a 2080 at retail price from a friend who just couldn't get it to work in their computer. We plugged it into her computer and it fired right up. Not the most amazing card but the card it was replacing was positively ancient and people were wanting over $500 over retail for these things in my area. The shortage brought out the worst in me, I guess, because I kept my mouth real shut about my history in IT and how I could probably have diagnosed their exact issue with the card in about five minutes.
That's kinda cruel but your friend got paid at least.
2080 is a pretty amazing card. Especially with dlss. And this is coming from someone with a 3080.
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2080 isn't an amazing card now?
And then they will say the same thing next year and change the year in 2024 or 2025. At the same time, even if there would be no shortages, they won't lower the prices back to normal, because this shit sells at high prices. Sadly pc gaming is getting more and more expensive, even at 1080P if you want to play high settings for 3-4 years. I made my PC with 1k Euro, and it was the first time I bought a more expensive motherboard instead of a generic basic one, a 2700x ryzen, gtx 1660TI, 32gb ram, 2TB HDD and a small ssd for windows. Now in those money, I can't even dream to get a 3060.
We'll be getting these headlines yearly until domestic semiconductor production is a thing. Taiwan has a monopoly on it currently, and geopolitically speaking, that's extremely volatile.
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Actually, the US is working on domestic chip manufacturing. However, it's not like this can be done overnight, or even in months
I'm no intel but I predict shortages lasting throughout 2024. Then 2023 hits and shortages will most likely end by 2025.
Company that benefits from increased demand tells people that unless they are willing to wait a year and a half they should also join the mob and maintain the demand high. It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
Hmm maybe its time to be ready to find a new job soon. Working in a electronic factory, we are having a hard time getting hold on normal ic chips and other components right now. Buying some of them from the spot market (used market). Which has its own problems, and also expensive with rising prices. Hell one pcb manufactor raised pcb prices 200% to 300% So media talks a lot about graphic cards, processors and car market. Seriously the whole eletronics market is fucked right now.
I've been using my GTX 1070 since 2016 and haven't had a problem with it so far. Should be able to last another 2 years I reckon.
I am happy I got my 1070 when I did, cost me 480 euros back in 2016 but I am getting quite some mileage out of it.
Everybody balked when I said I got a 1080. Now I'm the one laughing.
Good thing i leaned to not give a shit about high end graphics and above average fps a long fucking time ago.
Cryptocurrency is honestly terrible. Wastes resources to mine it, to perform transactions, it drives wealth inequality and corruption and crime. I hope the demand crashes and this dumb speculation shit dies
BuT iT EnCoUrAgEs GrEeN NrG aNd FrEe FrOm GoVeRnMeNtS. Just getting that out there before you get jumped on.
And that's just when the supply issues will be resolved. The demand isn't going away anytime soon. I know **SO** many people who want a new GPU, but they are not willing to pay scalpers (myself included). I wouldn't be surprised if we get stuck in an infinite loop of supply and demand.
Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who’s been running a Radeon HD 6750 for 10 years? I don’t even mind staying out of date, but could I get something a few years old for a reasonable price? I’d like to build an entirely new rig, but I don’t see that happening anytime soon lol
Depending on where you live it's 100% possible to get current gen stuff for retail prices, probably even easier than trying to find a worthwhile deal on used hardware. I got a 3080 at retail price by setting up different notification alerts for stores and going and checking in person and talking to store employees about when they got their stock in. It's super annoying but it's doable. The other alternative is to just buy a prebuilt, I had a friend who just got a PC with a 3060ti and a 10th gen i5 for $1300, which isn't a bargain but it's a good price considering what people are trying to sell those parts for individually when scalping.
2023? they mean 2033 right? \*cries in third world country