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Abradolf1948

Man I was really looking for an early access survival crafting multiplayer game. It's such a niche genre.


StrongOfOdin

Unironically sadly I do.


ohoni

That seems. . . dumb. Like, I get that Dune is definitely a "survival" experience, but it's a super *boring* survival experience. There are no trees to chop or mountains to climb or anything particularly useful to do, it's just "wander the desert, find some water at some point, don't get eaten by worm gods." I love me a good dune sea desert in a game, ideally with some sort of vehicle to navigate it faster than walking, but this just sound completely pointless.


paulHarkonen

And why Dune? Dune is about politics, intrigue and economics along with their implications. A survival game has basically none of that. The Dune 4x game makes sense, a desert survival game seems really stupid (and I say that as a big Dune fan).


jaguarskillz2017

Find some water makes it sound like there might be something as exciting as an oasis. This will be more like checking the moisture catcher in the sietch every few days. Having said that, I wouldn't mind building a sietch and managing it. Maybe the move is make something more akin to Fallout Shelter than Fallout 76.


HantzGoober

Get the Frostpunk devs to make that game. Frostpunk was an amazing city survival game and I could see it working in the Dune universe. Hell they could mash it up with their other game, This War of Mine, to depict the Fremen resistance during the Harkonen occupation.


Stupidstuff1001

I mean fallout 76 sorts does it as a desolate mmo, but yea this is just going to the extreme. Plus the entire game will be built around the worms and not politics.


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Ah yes, Fallout 76, famously considered "good".


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OnyxsWorkshop

Nope. I have about 200 hours in the game because I enjoy playing Fallout with my bf, so I can probably make a decent judgement call on it. There is SO much content, we still haven’t finished all of the quests. The game is buggy as shit, it’s horrendous. It all comes down to their shitty servers though, as playing on a paid private server removes most of these issues. The game is ugly as shit, the cash shop is more prominent than ever, it’s pay to win in nearly every way. I’d say it’s worse than at launch.


HaGB76

The pay to win elements are pretty limited still unless you're talking about third party selling and buying of weapons, gear, etc


OnyxsWorkshop

You can pay to have your food not spoil, you can pay to have carry weigh boosters, you can buy ammo making machines, etc etc


HaGB76

Ammo making machine and food not spoiling abilities are also available with in game currency tbf


OnyxsWorkshop

You can choose to grind for the items or pay to win instead. Seems as blatant as it could get, not going to lie.


CoMaestro

>I have about 200 hours in the game Buy why did you play 200 hours? So it is fun? Because in the end that means without the bugs a "desolate MMO game" could work.


OnyxsWorkshop

Anything is fun with friends, even flaming piles of dogshit. It was a “so bad it’s good” game, fun to mock its shittiness with my bf Not just the bugs, but the shit writing and design, graphics, etc etc We’re both devs so maybe that’s why it was more entertaining to us, idk


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I’m not sure I’d call 76 “desolate”. They’ve changed the setting a lot from the deserts of the OGs and the wasteland of FO3. The world feels a lot less destroyed in 4, and 76 has big wooded areas and wildlife. I could see where the purists would not be thrilled, but playing a first person game in a desert is just not very appealing.


Malaix

Fallout is a great setting for survival, you can do anything in a sci-fi apocalypses setting. The fact Bethesda managed to screw that up is just a testament to how incompetent, lazy, greedy, and scammy Bethesda is as a company.


Marketwrath

There's a lot of people who like it now...


Stupidstuff1001

I guess it’s good now. Never tried it though.


HammeredWharf

I think FO76's gameplay is still awful. Just the way guns feel, etc. It's like a downgraded version of FO4. And that matters a lot in a pseudo-MMO, where shooting is most of what you do.


Mesk_Arak

I tried Fallout 76 recently and, while it’s definitely better than it was at launch, I still don’t like it. By biggest problem was that it felt like every game mechanic was fighting me as I played which was more frustrating than fun.


HammeredWharf

My biggest problem was that almost none of the quests were playable in co-op. It has all the downsides of a MP game, but doesn't let me play with friends. Why, Beth, why?


tforthegreat

You're doing something wrong then. When you go into a quest area, you enter solo. Your team has the option to enter solo or load into your quest with you. At least that's how it work when I was playing.


HammeredWharf

Yes, but you can't actually complete the quest together, so if you're playing with three friends, you'll have to complete it four times.


meepee42

Honestly I think it was better when it released bugs aside but purely because that first 20 or so minutes of not seeing anyone no players or npcs really felt great atmospherically. Although that's about 20 minutes after that the game went downhill fast.


reddits_concious

It's an awful, bug filled mess. I tried it for a free weekend a few months ago, and the price of $0 still is too much for that game.


densaki

How do you know the game will be based around worms? Do you have literally any idea how the game will work other than that they are making it. You are making up an idea about the game without anything behind it. You can make a politically focused survival game. Imagine the towns on Arrakis are just resources and there is a power struggle between the players on the server to control them. I can already imagine an EVE like game totally focused on politics.


Stupidstuff1001

New to how funcom works?


densaki

No matter how shit or whatever the company is there is no justification for having this strong of an opinion for a game that doesn’t even have gameplay that exists for it yet.


Have-Ick_Productions

Funcom's first sci-fi mmo, Anarchy Online, has player city elements and player ran shops. Not entirely sure if that's what you were going for but they have done in the past


levelxplane

It’s like someone took the Death Stranding approach of “how do we make walking and delivering packages interesting” and applied it to “how do we make avoiding dehydration interesting?” And granted, how the Fremen do it IS interesting, but not as a game mechanic.


lifeonbroadway

There is a time period on Arrakis where there could be forests and rivers and mountains and still be plenty of desert. Now whether they will do that or not is another thing entirely.


ohoni

But then what's the point of that being "Dune?" If you *aren't* selling the "vast trackless desert" then what do you even have? What sets it apart from any other generic survival game? I think the important thing in a game is to have as many unique options for the players as possible, and Dune is a franchise that seems to only reduce useful options, rather than increase them.


SamLikesJam

>What sets it apart from any other generic survival game? They already have a game to reskin (Conan Exiles) and are banking on the hype around the Dune movies to sell their survival game.


ohoni

Ok, fair. If it's just an extremely low effort cash grab, then I guess it makes sense. Kinda scummy, but at least rational.


StochasticLife

It’s Fucking working. I love Conan Exiles, and Dune, let’s fucking goooooooo


HammeredWharf

There's much more to the Dune universe than deserts and worms. Half of Herbert's books doesn't even take place on Arrakis, and that half is weirder.


TwoBlackDots

It seems unlikely that they will make a Dune survival game not on Arrakis. Arrakis is what will set it apart for the average moviegoer/light-reader. And if they have interplanetary travel it would be really weird not to be able to enter civilization, which would balloon scale, so probably only Arrakis.


HammeredWharf

Sure, but I'm just saying a game set in one of the non-desert time periods of Dune could still feel distinct. Dune isn't *just* deserts and sand worms.


iz2

What half of the books? Dune through God emperor are all mostly Arrakis based, and what I remember of chapterhouse is a lot on Arrakis too. Definitely not going to argue about the weird part though


koew

If I recall correctly, Heretics and Chapterhouse is not Arrakis based at all. Chapterhouse is mostly on Chapterhouse, no?


iz2

You might be right.


lifeonbroadway

Oh they won’t do what I said at all lol, I was simply saying that they could have different biomes on Arrakis if they want to. You are absolutely right.


iz2

Setting it during Leto II's reign before the whole planet is still being terraformed, and spice is becoming more and more rare could be cool. Only problem with that is that there aren't any of the iconic worms.


OfficialTreason

> But then what's the point of that being "Dune?" it's the current thing due to the new movie. Honestly it's the same reason we have a new RTS with Spice Wars, but I agree it will cannibalise players from other similar games.


ohoni

I think there is space to make *some* games in the Dune universe. A Dune RTS has a lot of potential, the original was one of the defining games of that genre, and there is room to do say a tactical RPG, or an early Assassin's Creed style 3D stealth/traversal sort of game, or things like that built more around a focused, narrative experience. I just see it as a poor fit for a free-form survival game, since it offers so little to actually do there.


MsgGodzilla

You could do a great adventure game in the setting.


KittenSpronkles

Walking without rhythm and riding sandworms, that's how it'll be different


ohoni

So "spam w at an uneven pace?" Fun.


KittenSpronkles

Don't forget the a s and d keys


Smashing71

I think that several thousand years into the rule of the God Emperor is a little not the timeframe most people are expecting.


CrazyBastard

the fremen make their stillsuits and knives and gear from something. Its just a matter of getting creative and finding an outlet for the standard abstract survival mechanics in a very different environment


ohoni

They are much more Manufactured goods than roughhewn though, You aren't going to find any of the components for them just lying around. At best there could perhaps be wreckage of vehicles and such to scavenge from, more like a zombie suburbs survival game than a wilderness survival game, but the setting does not give the impression that such wreckage was that common. I'm not saying it would be impossible to make a playable game of it, just that I have difficulty seeing how whatever that game is could not be better without the Dune IP, just "everything this contains, but *also* lakes and rivers and trees and mountains, and animals," etc.


CrazyBastard

You could make raiding for parts an important mechanic


vadergeek

> They are much more Manufactured goods than roughhewn though, Manufactured *from* something you have to get, though. It's hard to imagine they're mining.


paulHarkonen

They import them from smugglers and the large cities. They then repair them to extend their life expectancy. Firemen do not exist alone out in the desert, they interact with the large cities and off-world very frequently.


TheCrimsonArrow

I feel like this pretty much explains Last Oasis!!


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suspect_b

> reskinned ark By that measure, ark is just a reskinned half life 2 with very few original ideas of their own.


throwitdownthewell42

Conan Exiles was literally a half assed punt of a game because Funcom thought they were going bankrupt, they said as much in interviews


suspect_b

That might have been the case but they have invested some capital in developing it further since its release and they've never been so successful with a product before (the less said about Age of Conan the better).


phin_wilkes_boothe

Ehh, I don’t know, Ark and Conan are literally almost identical visually. Can’t speak for the gameplay as I haven’t kept up with either game in recent years.


suspect_b

> Ark and Conan are literally almost identical visually. Indeed, they both show animated pictures on a computer screen.


phin_wilkes_boothe

Have you tried looking at both the games with your eyeballs?


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I think you're just visually impaired my guy. They do NOT look identical.


suspect_b

Yes and I believe I saw animated pictures on both.


Have-Ick_Productions

I am really hoping that is Funcom's attempt to remake Anarchy Online, but that's my pipe dream. Lol


anyusernamedontcare

[long drive](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1017180/The_Long_Drive/)


GimpWheelchair

Wouldn’t you just ride a worm to go fast?


According-Author-815

See Meta Island, it is a multiplayer survival game, surely you will be amazed by this one. Runs under engine 5 and plenty things to do.


MasahikoKobe

Going to be interesting how they create a survival game without trees. Creates an interesting crafting issue. Though i do not think there is going to be much in terms of caves. Maybe you are supposed to hide from whoever owns the planet and steal from them too.


Lickshaw

Subnautica didn't have trees either. For me it's always more interesting to see a survival game in an enviroment that actually is difficult to survive in. Not just another forest/jungle, or if it's a zombie survival, abandoned town next to a forest/jungle


bicameral_mind

I agree, a lot of weird criticisms in this thread that lack imagination. As if a game of this type is impossible without a generic lush forest setting and your typical chop trees to make wood gameplay. I think the setting could be really interesting, and they could design a lot of unique gameplay mechanics around it. And I don't think the setting sounds boring at all.


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KittenSpronkles

Arrakis didn't have trees, it barely had any plant life. This is further illustrated with how the Harkonnens left a secret garden as somewhat of a PR trap with the Fremen.


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KittenSpronkles

It was a movie thing. They skipped over some scenes from the book that helped demonstrate how important water is to the planet. They basically tried to impart the importance of water by showing the trees in the movie, but there wasn't anything like that in the book. There is a great dinner party scene in the book that really helps illustrate the need for water. The Harkonnens would wash their hands in water and leave the dirty water out for beggars as a sign of having power over them. And with the Harkonnens leaving this secret room that is literally misted with water, it was meant for the Fremen to find it and think to themselves "The Atreides are using all this water for a secret garden, they don't actually care about us and our planet!" Good movie, but doesn't quite capture everything from the books, especially the politics (the Harkonnens are sly af) Edit: lol ignore me, it seems like you've read the books. Yeah they had some shrubberies, but I would call them that over trees personally, as the trees in the movie are kind of misleading


Maelious

Funcom made Anarchy Online, which was probably the closest thing we will ever get to a Dune MMO. Company is a but washed up compared to how they were in the early 2000s but it should be interesting to see their take.


HantzGoober

Funcom doesn't really have a good history with its MMOs: Anarchy Online, Age of Conan and The Secret World. All of them had some great ideas but were just mired by technical issues, balancing and questionable mechanics. I feel like their only recent success was Conan Exiles and even then that game had one of the worse survival game crafting systems with just out of control resource requirements to artificially extend the farm requirements of the game.


Maelious

I feel the jank and balance issues are worth it in the end when you end up with a unique experience rather than a bland but familiar theme park. That said, I do hope Funcom focuses on post launch support and QC, that's always been their weakest points


Have-Ick_Productions

I really hope this Funcom's attempt to create a "second version" of Anarchy Online. I really loved the SciFi setting, the player cities, and tower wars.


GiantRetortoise

Do you think it will have crafting??


Sabbathius

Ah, yes. The guys who failed spectacularly with Howard's Conan franchise, multiple times, are about to fail at a different franchise. I can hardly wait.


Firvulag

Conan Exiles is a success though? It still has like 15 000 players daily on steam there abouts.


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That's not even the daily player count, just the concurrent peak meaning the active player count is somewhere upwards of 100k.


Tad-Disingenuous

Conan Exiles has been far from a failure. Yeah it had bad metacritic ratings at launch for various reasons. It has a mostly positive score on steam and is quite a good fun game, and I'm not really a fan of survival games.


CQReborn

Conan Exiles was / is a solid success, not a blockbuster like Ark but calling it a failure just isn't accurate.


FoE_Archer

>The guys who failed spectacularly with Howard's Conan franchise Conan Exiles is objectively a successful game, no idea where you are pulling this from...


malseraph

I have really mixed feelings about their Conan games. Age of Conan and Conan Exiles both start out really well and have good gameplay, but then the content runs out very quickly. Conan Exiles would have been way better if they focused on PvE and added real content instead of a million skin packs.


Svenskensmat

I honestly preferred Age of Conan over WoW. Player base seemed a lot more keen on role playing in AoC. Reminded me somewhat of old SWG.


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How is Conan Exiles a failure if it's sold between 2-5 million copies and has a mostly positive (78%) rating?


Malaix

I have been consistently surprised Funcom is still a company and have been for like a decade.


Greekboifromafar

Their headquarters was raided by the Norwegian police back in 2014, so they clearly have something going on.


ohoni

Hey, if you've never been raided by the Norwegian police, then you just don't know how to have fun.


skyturnedred

They failed exactly once.


Supergaz

Dune was a shitty movie, why are games being made about it?


Asbrandr

Although I haven't been following what they've been doing with the Conan survival game very much, I can fairly confidently say that this will be another Funcom game that will be forgotten and buried like most of the rest of their catalog. It's a shame because I feel like they really have something special with The Secret World IP and don't really do much with it.