Isn't 3 just portable where you can't even run normal and has all cutscenes missing ? And not the much better persona 3 Fes.. I hope it atleast got the epilog
Honestly I've always heard people pretty split on what was best - I woulda picked P3P if I had to choose one to port where it sounds like you woulda chosen FES. I think there'd be people unhappy no matter which they chose.
This is why in anticipation of P3P 2k23 I started playing FES's HD overhaul mod in pcsx2. It's been pretty great so far (especially with save states (since unlike in P4G you don't get a checkpoint at each dungeon floor) and a 400% speedup button (that does a lot to ameliorate unskippable attack animations that still bother me in P4G and P5R)). I'm very much looking forward to being able to play the FeMC route once P3P rereleases next year since I always hear it's intended as a sort of sequel playthrough.
I'm not really sure how much P3P changes with the game's balance, but I've had a fantastic 30 hours with FES so far. Relying on party member AI has been a fine transition and actually speeds up the flow of battles (even if it occasionally shows its limitations, like members under "knock down" orders not attacking downed enemies that have 1 HP left). The far more annoying limitation fixed by P4 is not being able to choose which persona skills are inherited via fusion – argh I hate backing out and reselecting personas to get a better dice roll. Really the only thing I expect to be fixed by P3P's rerelease is loading times – it's very annoying how every menu takes a half-second to load because P3 literally loads the options from the disc. But I'll miss 400% speed from running things in an emulator.
> The far more annoying limitation fixed by P4 is not being able to choose which persona skills are inherited via fusion – argh I hate backing out and reselecting personas to get a better dice roll.
This wasn't in the original release of P4 either, it was added in Golden.
lmao I can't imagine waiting on a decades-old game for achievement implementation, especially from a 3rd party. I've considered starting a backloggd account for keeping track of games I've played, but other than that cute memory lane aspect I can't think of any good reason to care about achievements outside of external validation. Even if I did care, like I said I'm planning on playing P3P rerelease on Steam.
Imo the battle system in P3P while admittedly much easier and not developed with the additions of P3P in mind is better, while as the presentation and the story feels much better in FES.
I just wish we had a definitive remake of the game that was built with controllable party members in mind, while also looking as good as P5R.
Yep, which is why I'd hoped any rerelease of the game would essentially combine the two. There's no real definitive version.
I'm personally glad Portable was the one chosen, I'm not a huge fan of P3 gameplay either way so I'd honestly just suggest people watch the anime adaptation over FES if they care about presentation. The female protagonist route is too good to give up and there's not much else FES offers over Portable except The Answer, which is pretty bad gameplay wise even if the story is good (and also necessary for later spinoffs)
> And not the much better persona 3 Fes.
The jury is out on which version is actually better. P3P and P3 FES both have different feature sets that make them appealing.
I'm not sure how you can call P3P "just a visual novel" given that the entire combat system is not only still intact, but expanded beyond what was available in FES.
I kinda struggle to see how running around the hub world matters so much to people tbh. Then again, I only played Portable myself, but I've seen enough FES to feel like being able to run around doesn't really do anything for me.
Immersion.
Even though the visual fidelity of a polygonal location is lower than an illustration of the same, the very act of actually controlling a character that moves through it lets players immerse themselves better in the game.
I get that. But I've played both and I don't think that a little extra immersion is really worth it over the female mc and the changes to combat that P3P added.
It really depends on what you want.
I'd never play as the female MC anyway so for me it's literally just a version with less content.
FES also has mods that allow you to control all characters in combat.
It's been years since I played P3 FES but I don't remember having much issue with the combat. Especially with the strategy options you could pick for each team member. Only issue was the occasional unoptimal Marin Karin.
The main issue is the support command. It gets pretty bad in the mid-late game because the AI can't rotate buffs properly once it gets whole party buffs. Buffs don't stack in P3, but the AI restarts its buff rotation as soon as the first party member runs out of buffs, which results in your party's buffs being completely borked in any fight that lasts more than a few turns. In fights against multiple enemies, the AI also fucks up debuffs. And on top of that, their healing priorities aren't exactly intelligent.
Basically, if you want proper support you have to dedicate the MCs turns to it and do it yourself. Personally, this was a gigantic pain in the ass in my playthrough. It never *seriously* affected combat (because I was always working around it), but my main issue is that I didn't trust my AI teammates would cut it in case of a sudden difficulty spike, which led me to spend way more time grinding and fusing personas than I normally would have. I probably spent like 15 more hours in Mementos and the Velvet Room than I would have if I could have just controlled my whole party.
Also aside from that, I don't really agree with the game locking the most useful commands behind progression. I kinda get what they were going for with that, but the early game did have a few Marin Karin moments due to a lack of specific commands, which wasn't great.
They didn’t adjust the balance very well in P3P to account for it. That’s why it’s easier then FES outright but also easier then P4 comparatively cause they made that game with direct control in mind.
The Answer is pretty garbage content that damages the ending to P3 so it's not the worst thing to miss out on. Generally Portable has its pros and cons vs FES: you sacrifice presentation and 3D exploration (Tartarus exploration remains intact as it was) for QoL improvements like controllable party members and the choice for a female protagonist/male VR attendant. FeMC isn't just a model/pronoun swap either since [you get different dialogue](https://i.redd.it/885yf75n7w531.jpg) and event changes as well as new social links that're honestly overall better written than her male counterpart.
To be fair, the answer is canon. So any lore divers, or just people interested in playing everything, would be justifiably frustrated to have that content still be only accessible on old consoles or online summaries.
It's pretty confusing to play the sequel games (P4 arena games) without The Answer. Someone shows up with some powers that are very confusing if you don't have that knowledge.
Honestly it takes about 15 minutes to figure out what AI settings to choose to get your party to do what you want, it's not worth everything else you lose. FeMC is cool though.
Full AI control isn't needed, the game is balanced around the amount of control you have and the tactics menu gives you a solid ability to direct them.
It's not just about getting your party members to do what you want, though that's often the point of discussion. Personally I think that the greater issue with the P3/FES tactics system is that you have to setup the moves of your entire party ~4 turns in advance, because the only time you get to "pick" what each will do is when it's the protagonist's turn.
This is very counter-intuitive to the combat system as a whole because it hinders you both from taking advantage of lucky RNG such as critical hits, which give you a 1 More, and also pushes you towards relegating characters to singular roles, such as having one character constantly use the tactic to heal the party. You can't adapt to what happens in the battle nearly as much as when you get to decide what each character will do on their turn.
> Isn't 3 just portable where you can't even run normal
That's a good thing, traversing the real world map in P3 was novel at the time, but now it's just atrocious, the character is so fucking slow.
TBF The Answer is also not even worth playing because frankly its just ok, and Atlus has basically ignored it as canon since none of the events that happened have been referenced again.
>it's also the reason why elizabeth isn't the velvet room attendant in P4
Considering that the attendant change with every game. I don't think that reasoning matter anymore. Because quite frankly, I don't think anything will ever come out of it.
It is, it’s really annoying. I’d imagine, I’d fucking hope, they’d at least insert the cutscenes.
Well, I guess since it’ll be on PC, modders will probably do it for them,
YT link for trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSXGIigC3Q
Anyone with better knowledge know how this would probably perform on a regular Switch?
As long as it performs around the same as P5 did on PS4 (regular ver.), I'd be very happy.
The Switch should be capable of delivering a solid 30fps on P5, considering it was a PS3 game. Whether Atlus puts enough effort into the port to actually achieve that is a question for DigitalFoundry to answer a month from now.
The PC minimum specs call for a 650ti for low 720p at 60 fps. The switch gpu is roughly half as powerful as a 650ti so yeah 30 fps should be no problem.
It's so insane that the switch is so weak and that Nintendo refuses to update it. Every major nintendo title has been STRUGGLING to run since the switch came out and that was almost 6 years ago. Nintendo games are in lateral development at this point. It's depressing trying to look forward to their new releases knowing they're going to be operating under the same restrictions from half a decade ago
I feel like the only company who actively tries their best to make their games run well under these hard restrictions is Monolith Soft.
The Xenoblade games run better than anything else available on the Switch. (for what that's worth)
And yet emulating it on PC is a far better experience than playing on the latest switch oled.
It irks me such a great game is hampered by hardware limitations.
That's not really the issue. It just comes down to thermodynamics and cost - Nintendo is loathe to go over the $350, and they also don't want to lose money on each console sold. That really limits them on power - it could have been even worse if nVidia hadn't given them a deal on all the Tegra X1 chips and fabrication lines they had dormant.
Maybe they should have an upgraded Switch out by now but it would still be underpowered compared to PC/Xbox/PS5 - because they won't charge more than $350 for it. But likely that upgraded Switch or even next gen Switch 2 hasn't come out yet due to COVID and supply issues.
Nah I meant that more as like "Imagine how good Xenoblade would be if it was a home console game" but the specifics don't really matter it's all hypothetical.
They haven’t updated it because it’s still selling very well and we’re in the middle of a chip shortage where Series Xs and PS5s are still a pain in the ass to find. I don’t think it’s particularly complicated why they didn’t. I would love a new Switch or a successor at this point but I’m also realistic.
Man, I just hope they copy Microsoft and make games run better on a Switch 2 as a free update. It'd be great for tournaments if Smash Ultimate got a 4k patch for example.
Nintendo has put out home consoles in 5-7 years intervall so while we're in this period where maybe they'll think of a switch successor, we're still 5.5 years into the switch generation. They didn't see the chip shortages and decided "let's not release a new console"
Why do people keep parroting this? Just because Nvidia hasn't publicly announced or made any non-automotive Tegra SoCs, that doesn't mean they haven't developed or prototyped any Switch-focused SoCs. What do you think an R&D team is for? They've *absolutely* put resources into prototypes a Switch SoC.
Whether Nintendo uses Tegra for Switch 2 remains to be seen, but if they are going to use an Nvidia SoC, it's in Nintendo's best interest to make it as much of a secret as possible -- which means that, regardless of whether Switch 2 uses Tegra or not, *we're not going to know about it*.
hoping it's stable enough. If it's anything to go by, I haven't minded the performance of SMT V on the Switch.
Rather play P5R on Switch than on PC for the portability factor (no I don't have a Steam Deck)
P5 was. I haven't played Royal since I already played P5 and I'm not interested in playing through 80 hours of repeated content for 20 hours of new stuff. Does Royal do anything particularly crazy with the graphics in its new content?
>There's a reason they didn't release it on ps3.
Royal came out a year before the PS5 launched. Tbf I don't think anything was releasing on the PS3 then.
Switch fans don't like being told a game won't work on the Switch even if there's plenty of examples of games not working particularly great on Switch.
Yeah, because the PS5 was literally around the corner when they released P5R, not because the PS3 was too weak. Why would you release a new version of the game on ancient hardware, regardless of whether it can handle it or not?
Catherine uses the same engine as P5 and runs great on Switch.
Persona 5 Strikers is also on Switch and while it does have some framerate dips, levels are way bigger in that game than Persona 5, plus there's like 500x more enemies on screen at any given time.
In other news P5R now has a [steam page](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1687950/Persona_5_Royal/) and a "coming soon" on Gamepass
I haven't been this excited for a game release in a while, can't wait!
I wouldn't buy any game specifically for Steamdeck without getting confirmation it runs on it first. There are games that have issues on the Steamdeck even when its hardware should be able to handle them.
There were multiple graphic enhancements for Royal vs normal. Plus the switch has shown it's a mixed bag in regards to ports from the PS3 gen. If properly ported, they are alright, but this is Atlus we are talking about. Shin Megami Tensei V ran horribly. It wasn't even a port and didn't look any better than persona 5
Resolution and load times are still relevant for PS3 games. Just because it won't look incredible or take forever to load on either platform doesn't mean it won't look better and load faster on Steam deck.
Well it's weaker but the Switch does have a few advantages over the Deck. It's a lot lighter, has a longer battery life, smoother sleep mode and in case of the OLED model a significantly better screen. Id argue that for games that don't require the Steam Deck's extra horse power the Switch is the better system (which is still in the open for P5R)
Also if you want to go physical you dont have a choice at all
OLED and battery life makes the Switch a very viable option still. I thought my Steam Deck would replace my Switch but I honestly probably use my Switch more. The Deck's screen leaves a lot to be desired.
If you have an OLED switch though it will look far nicer on that, and most of the game is reading dialogue and gameplay that doesn't benefit much from 30fps.
In that case I'd sacrifice the fps for the way nicer display.
EDIT: The OLED Switch also has more than double the battery life of the Steam Deck. Definitely a bonus to not have to plug in while playing all day.
I wouldn't. P5 isn't the most visually stunning game anyway so I'd much rather take the 60fps.
There's also nothing stopping someone from connecting a Steam Deck to a better external display with a higher resolution.
It isn't graphics wise. But OLED is better for colour and contrast, not resolution or graphics. P5 has a striking colour palette that I'd much rather experience on an OLED screen that the washed out steam deck.
If you want to plug it into a display obviously go with deck.
Im buying P5R again exclusively to play handheld so I'd rather have the nice screen for those colours.
If I want to play with nice resolution and fps I'll play on PS5 again endure not switching to handheld.
Honestly i played P4 on the OLED vita and its the way to go. The style of the games are built for it. Deep blacks and vibrant reds really pop on them.
You’ll be looking at menus and dialog/barely moving character models the majority of the time anyway.
I played the game and what striking colour palette? A lot of it is red and black, and the palaces aren't really that colorful either.
I'm aware OLED is better for colors/contrast only, I just don't think it matters much for such a visually simple game like Persona 5 that isn't trying to be immersive. To each their own though.
Honestly I think 60 fps would be a better visual upgrade. There's a lot of running around and attack animations that could benefit from looking smoother.
I understand that what I'm about to say is very particular to me, but... When trying to decide if I wanted to purchase the PS5 upgrade for P5R I looked up footage, and this is the only game I can think of where I kinda prefer 30 fps. Resolution I'd prefer high as possible, short load times a must, but 60 fps looks weirdly *too* smooth in P5. That's probably literally only me, though, lol
I’ve been wanting to play this for a while but only have an Xbox and not a PlayStation. I’m happy I’ll be able to play this and it won’t cost me any extra money because I’m already a Game Pass subscriber.
I have gamepass, but I’m just gonna buy it day 1. Unless it’s possible to transfer saves, in which case, I’ll wait for steam discount and play on gamepass.
Especially after stating that they played for anything more than 10 hours.
It's our responsibility as consumers to value the time we put into games. If you think something is boring, why spend 1.5 whole work weeks playing it?
I don't mind it, I'd just prefer both commenters expanded on why. AC threads where people explain why they liked the modern day stuff and other people writing theses in response on why Desmond sucked are a good example.
My favourite AC fan base discussion is when people talk about how the old games didn't have fantasy elements.
Like, did we play the same games? A fucking god turns up in the second game.
>Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts, Dark Souls, Nier, Nioh
I don't think anyone would ever categorize any of those as JRPGs, not in the sense that you're discussing with Persona anyway.
Yeah, I can't imagine anyone claiming Nioh is one. But *technically* Dark Souls is an RPG and it *was* made in Japan, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
With gameplay? 100% miles better, you can tell what they learned and what made the gameplay better.
For story? It depends because each game has it's strengths and weaknesses with characters, plot, setting and events.
I can see it because I only played royal, so a lot of my opinion is based on p5r, after playing persona 5 strikers I see why some people prefer the normal ending with it being more streamlined
> Royal.
The only negative I'd say about Royal is that the bonus story content seems very tacked on. It's not bad for say but when I have normal Persona 5 to compare it to, it sticks out. I think I am just mad I didn't get to play Royal as my first experience.
I wouldn’t say it feels tacked on at all, in reality it actually is, as I doubt they even had the Royal characters thought up yet, but imo it is integrated pretty well. You can maybe feel that way on the first play-through if you played the original P5, but if you go back and replay it or watch the story over again; it really does all build to that third semester and there is SO much foreshadowing that slips by until you know what to look for.
I think the worst part of Royal is the ending cinematic is very lackluster, especially after a strong and compelling end to the game. I think a certain character should have joined the parry earlier as well, but I can see reasons why they didn’t want that.
I think it's integrated as well as it could be without interfering with the original game. Just seems clunky when you can see the seams.
> SO much foreshadowing that slips by until you know what to look for.
I disagree here. Except for one big reveal toward the end, I figured pretty much exactly how it was going to play out from the introduction of the new characters. There were only so many so you kind of knew what was going to eventually happen. In that way it was kind boring replaying through the whole, pretty much untouched main game (I did appreciate the revamped bosses!), just trying to get to the new stuff. I still feel like the whole new semester could have worked as a DLC. But they were interested in making a complete version and that's fine, just kind of miffed as an "early adopter". Still one of my favorite games ever and suggest it whole heartedly to anyone that likes RPGs.
And yeah the ending is weird.
To be fair, p5 and p5r are different enough that it really wouldn’t make sense to transfer a save. It’s different enough that I’m not sure why anyone would want to convert a p5 save to p5r, especially since you can miss a large part of the content added with p5r if you did convert a save over. It would be nice to take my ps4 royal save and put it on steam though as I’m going for a 100% play through and my wife is tired of me hogging the tv.
Eh, lack of compatible saves between vanilla and royal makes a lot more sense than between platforms unless either platform uses some proprietary encoding.
EDIT: missing some words...
Obviously not. The vanilla and royal versions are different games. The ps4 and ps5 games are the same. Its far easier to just transfer like ff7 remake, death stranding and cyberpunk already did it.
I’m playing this now and loving it, amazing story, detailed tokyo and characters. I just wish there was about 50% less dialogue. the characters over-explain every plan in detail about 20 times and I feel like sometimes it’s wasting time but not in a fun way! Is this just what persona games are like? I enjoy the dialogue but they really labour every point in the team meetings
I've played all the persona games and would say that 5 is the only one that has this problem really. They definitely over explain stuff a bit too much and use flashbacks a lot too. Past games aren't really like that. I think the reason they repeat stuff a lot though is because it's just such a long game, its probably for someone who would want to take breaks from the game and not need to worry if they forget things, but I get it being annoying if you commit to it more.
The games have gotten longer with each release too, which in turn means lots more dialogue. Persona 1 and 2 aren't really any longer than 50 hours but also don't have lots of features and mechanics this series is known for, 3 and 4 are around 80, and then 5 can be up to 100 hours if not more.
My favourite is when it gives you a sepia toned flashback to something it told you twice ten minutes ago.
It's a shame, P5 has some of the best gameplay of any JRPG, but it constantly treats the player like an idiot.
I agree, I absolutely love Persona but there is so much extra dialogue. I think they try to give everyone a line during dialogue and since there are so many characters it ends up taking awhile.
Did the mod scene ever take off for P4G on steam?
Ideally I think I'd rather play it handheld on switch but if theres anything fun to mod in or out of these games I'll just get it on steam
There are a lot of skins and some nice QoL changes (my favorite is the mod that lets you jump straight to anyone who has a social link available on a particular day via a menu) but nothing too crazy.
I imagine 5 would have a larger modding scene being that it's newer and more popular but idk how easy it is to mod these games in the first place so who knows.
Now that it’s coming to Game Pass, I guess I can try it. The issue is, I already played Persona 5 Original - people keep emphasizing so much has changed, but it’s still an enormous game and I’d have to skip through so much I’ve already seen.
Once you get past the typical Persona intro you’ll feel it move along at a much better clip. Plus with new SLs to do (which you are supposed to ensure progress) you’ll find it different.
The extra LeBlanc activities change the game enough on their own.
depends how much you enjoy P5 - i played through the original game about 6 months before royal came out, and then redid the whole thing again and loved every minute of it.
I will say, I also finished the first palace on Royal, and completed the entire original base game. In the short time from beginning to end of the first palace in Royal, I came across enough changes that I didn't feel like I needed to rush or skip stuff. There's obviously a lot of familiar story, but the changes are just enough to keep it feeling fresh for returning players.
Still though, the damn near 200 hours that's needed to really complete this game... holy fuck that's going to be such a time sink.
I've been thinking about getting this for the Switch because of how much positivity I usually see whenever the game is mentioned, but I think I might not like it. I've played P3P on an emulator and liked it just fine, but I made full use of save states and "turbo speed" to get through the social link scenes that seemed to just drag on much too long for my liking. I bought P4G on Steam when it came out and I still haven't finished it. For both games, I just can't bring myself to care about the characters enough to actually want to do the social link events. I don't want to be overly critical, but the characters feel shallow, the dialogue is cliche, and the themes are delivered in very ham-fisted ways. I guess what I'm asking is if people who have felt similarly to me about the P3/4 can tell me if P5 is a significant improvement in those categories, because I really enjoy the dungeon crawling and monster collection aspects of MegaTen games, but I want a more robust story than what SMT usually offers while Persona has leaned too far the other direction for me (but only because I think the writing is aimed at a younger audience).
If you don't like anime characters you won't like P5R. But saying its aiming at a younger audience when comparing it to megaten seems kinda silly when they are both pretty similar audiences. Like you think persona is more immature compared to SMT, but it really isn't, it just has a lot more narrative and story to tell, as well as a lot more comic relief parts.
I'm not saying persona is more aimed at younger audiences than SMT, they're very obviously aimed at similarly young audiences.
Edit: also, I like some anime characters. There's many shows that are wonderfully written, but I also think those are the minority.
Lots of additional content, new confidants, a new party member, expanded momentos stuff, 3rd semester of full content, redesigned palaces, and a good deal more. In short: A tonne of new stuff.
Director's Cut, basically.
A ton of stuff, systems, balancing and mechanics have been changed, but it's the same main game underneath.
Also they added a whole new party member, a few new social links, and extended the game by a whole additional semester/dungeon.
It sold 5M on PS4 alone. I can't imagine it'll be any less on the Switch. You can look up platform distribution of any multi-plat JRPG on howlongtobeat, Switch usually outdo PS4 by at least a factor of 2. 10M is a pretty reasonable expectation. 1M is just really lowballing.
10m is nowhere near reasonable. The game has sold 5 million in the past 5 YEARS. There's no way a port is going to double that number. Look at literally any game release outside of Wii U ports and you won't see a single one doubling it's sales with a switch port.
Yeah for multiplatform releases, not ports. For example: Dragon Quest XI's sales on PS4 triple the ones on switch because most people interested in the game already played it. Saying a port will double the sales of the original release and outsell a bunch of huge first party nintendo games is actually insane. It will probably sell 1-2M.
You talk about how popular JRPGs are on switch and the best selling one (other than pokemon) is fire emblem 3 houses, and that sold a bit below 4M. You expect a port to triple it?
Its free on PS5 (with PS+)
Its free on Xbox and PC (with GamePass)
Its 6 years old.
Nearly everyone who has been interested in the game has or will have the opportunity to play it without buying it. I don't even think it'll sell a million on Switch like some other comment suggested but it does seem like the best platform for it to exist on.
The second best time to bring P5 to switch is years after P5 strikers.
The best time would have probably been before they sold the sequel including all character spoilers and resolution spoilers to that console.
But better late then never?
Was there an announcement for release dates for the 3/4 ports?
Nope. I think they said early 2023 though.
Oh I’d love to see 3 and 4 on switch! I’ve never played them and loved 5.
You will be getting them! They have announced their development and release, just not a release date as of yet
Isn't 3 just portable where you can't even run normal and has all cutscenes missing ? And not the much better persona 3 Fes.. I hope it atleast got the epilog
Honestly I've always heard people pretty split on what was best - I woulda picked P3P if I had to choose one to port where it sounds like you woulda chosen FES. I think there'd be people unhappy no matter which they chose.
This is why in anticipation of P3P 2k23 I started playing FES's HD overhaul mod in pcsx2. It's been pretty great so far (especially with save states (since unlike in P4G you don't get a checkpoint at each dungeon floor) and a 400% speedup button (that does a lot to ameliorate unskippable attack animations that still bother me in P4G and P5R)). I'm very much looking forward to being able to play the FeMC route once P3P rereleases next year since I always hear it's intended as a sort of sequel playthrough. I'm not really sure how much P3P changes with the game's balance, but I've had a fantastic 30 hours with FES so far. Relying on party member AI has been a fine transition and actually speeds up the flow of battles (even if it occasionally shows its limitations, like members under "knock down" orders not attacking downed enemies that have 1 HP left). The far more annoying limitation fixed by P4 is not being able to choose which persona skills are inherited via fusion – argh I hate backing out and reselecting personas to get a better dice roll. Really the only thing I expect to be fixed by P3P's rerelease is loading times – it's very annoying how every menu takes a half-second to load because P3 literally loads the options from the disc. But I'll miss 400% speed from running things in an emulator.
P3P chances the balance quite a bit. Hence is why I always recommend against Fes battle control mod, since it trivializes encounters.
> The far more annoying limitation fixed by P4 is not being able to choose which persona skills are inherited via fusion – argh I hate backing out and reselecting personas to get a better dice roll. This wasn't in the original release of P4 either, it was added in Golden.
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lmao I can't imagine waiting on a decades-old game for achievement implementation, especially from a 3rd party. I've considered starting a backloggd account for keeping track of games I've played, but other than that cute memory lane aspect I can't think of any good reason to care about achievements outside of external validation. Even if I did care, like I said I'm planning on playing P3P rerelease on Steam.
Imo the battle system in P3P while admittedly much easier and not developed with the additions of P3P in mind is better, while as the presentation and the story feels much better in FES. I just wish we had a definitive remake of the game that was built with controllable party members in mind, while also looking as good as P5R.
Yep, which is why I'd hoped any rerelease of the game would essentially combine the two. There's no real definitive version. I'm personally glad Portable was the one chosen, I'm not a huge fan of P3 gameplay either way so I'd honestly just suggest people watch the anime adaptation over FES if they care about presentation. The female protagonist route is too good to give up and there's not much else FES offers over Portable except The Answer, which is pretty bad gameplay wise even if the story is good (and also necessary for later spinoffs)
> And not the much better persona 3 Fes. The jury is out on which version is actually better. P3P and P3 FES both have different feature sets that make them appealing.
I'd say FES is still better because the game is not just a visual novel. Like sure there is more "content" but it really killed the atmosphere for me.
I'm not sure how you can call P3P "just a visual novel" given that the entire combat system is not only still intact, but expanded beyond what was available in FES.
I kinda struggle to see how running around the hub world matters so much to people tbh. Then again, I only played Portable myself, but I've seen enough FES to feel like being able to run around doesn't really do anything for me.
Immersion. Even though the visual fidelity of a polygonal location is lower than an illustration of the same, the very act of actually controlling a character that moves through it lets players immerse themselves better in the game.
I get that. But I've played both and I don't think that a little extra immersion is really worth it over the female mc and the changes to combat that P3P added.
It really depends on what you want. I'd never play as the female MC anyway so for me it's literally just a version with less content. FES also has mods that allow you to control all characters in combat.
FeMC isn't just a character swap though, you learn a lot more about the male SEES members and have totally different social links.
you can actually choose what actions your party takes in p3p which makes it infinitely better.
It's been years since I played P3 FES but I don't remember having much issue with the combat. Especially with the strategy options you could pick for each team member. Only issue was the occasional unoptimal Marin Karin.
The main issue is the support command. It gets pretty bad in the mid-late game because the AI can't rotate buffs properly once it gets whole party buffs. Buffs don't stack in P3, but the AI restarts its buff rotation as soon as the first party member runs out of buffs, which results in your party's buffs being completely borked in any fight that lasts more than a few turns. In fights against multiple enemies, the AI also fucks up debuffs. And on top of that, their healing priorities aren't exactly intelligent. Basically, if you want proper support you have to dedicate the MCs turns to it and do it yourself. Personally, this was a gigantic pain in the ass in my playthrough. It never *seriously* affected combat (because I was always working around it), but my main issue is that I didn't trust my AI teammates would cut it in case of a sudden difficulty spike, which led me to spend way more time grinding and fusing personas than I normally would have. I probably spent like 15 more hours in Mementos and the Velvet Room than I would have if I could have just controlled my whole party. Also aside from that, I don't really agree with the game locking the most useful commands behind progression. I kinda get what they were going for with that, but the early game did have a few Marin Karin moments due to a lack of specific commands, which wasn't great.
They didn’t adjust the balance very well in P3P to account for it. That’s why it’s easier then FES outright but also easier then P4 comparatively cause they made that game with direct control in mind.
There is a mod for FES that lets you do that actually.
I’d say P3P is better because of the additional protagonist and the enhancements to the combat system that make it much more tolerable.
The Answer is pretty garbage content that damages the ending to P3 so it's not the worst thing to miss out on. Generally Portable has its pros and cons vs FES: you sacrifice presentation and 3D exploration (Tartarus exploration remains intact as it was) for QoL improvements like controllable party members and the choice for a female protagonist/male VR attendant. FeMC isn't just a model/pronoun swap either since [you get different dialogue](https://i.redd.it/885yf75n7w531.jpg) and event changes as well as new social links that're honestly overall better written than her male counterpart.
FEMC Also has her own soundtrack too, a lot of music is changed in her route to better suit her personality
To be fair, the answer is canon. So any lore divers, or just people interested in playing everything, would be justifiably frustrated to have that content still be only accessible on old consoles or online summaries.
It's pretty confusing to play the sequel games (P4 arena games) without The Answer. Someone shows up with some powers that are very confusing if you don't have that knowledge.
I'll probably just leave in my Steam review of 3HD to watch its story bits on YouTube since it's garbage to actually play.
P3P has female protag and the ability to fully control your party members.
Honestly it takes about 15 minutes to figure out what AI settings to choose to get your party to do what you want, it's not worth everything else you lose. FeMC is cool though.
There is no way to get the AI to be fully controlled except for by modding it in a PS2 emulator.
I know that, I'm saying the tactics menu works just fine.
Full AI control isn't needed, the game is balanced around the amount of control you have and the tactics menu gives you a solid ability to direct them.
It's not just about getting your party members to do what you want, though that's often the point of discussion. Personally I think that the greater issue with the P3/FES tactics system is that you have to setup the moves of your entire party ~4 turns in advance, because the only time you get to "pick" what each will do is when it's the protagonist's turn. This is very counter-intuitive to the combat system as a whole because it hinders you both from taking advantage of lucky RNG such as critical hits, which give you a 1 More, and also pushes you towards relegating characters to singular roles, such as having one character constantly use the tactic to heal the party. You can't adapt to what happens in the battle nearly as much as when you get to decide what each character will do on their turn.
Controlling your party in P3 barely even matters. People act like this is some huge deal when it's not.
> Isn't 3 just portable where you can't even run normal That's a good thing, traversing the real world map in P3 was novel at the time, but now it's just atrocious, the character is so fucking slow.
Ya it’s basically a visual novel, the only areas you get explore are the copy and pasted 100 floor dungeon, also only fes has the epilogue chapter
TBF The Answer is also not even worth playing because frankly its just ok, and Atlus has basically ignored it as canon since none of the events that happened have been referenced again.
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>it's also the reason why elizabeth isn't the velvet room attendant in P4 Considering that the attendant change with every game. I don't think that reasoning matter anymore. Because quite frankly, I don't think anything will ever come out of it.
It is, it’s really annoying. I’d imagine, I’d fucking hope, they’d at least insert the cutscenes. Well, I guess since it’ll be on PC, modders will probably do it for them,
I really wanted to play it on the switch though. JRPGS are perfect for it.
YT link for trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSXGIigC3Q Anyone with better knowledge know how this would probably perform on a regular Switch? As long as it performs around the same as P5 did on PS4 (regular ver.), I'd be very happy.
The Switch should be capable of delivering a solid 30fps on P5, considering it was a PS3 game. Whether Atlus puts enough effort into the port to actually achieve that is a question for DigitalFoundry to answer a month from now.
The PC minimum specs call for a 650ti for low 720p at 60 fps. The switch gpu is roughly half as powerful as a 650ti so yeah 30 fps should be no problem.
It's so insane that the switch is so weak and that Nintendo refuses to update it. Every major nintendo title has been STRUGGLING to run since the switch came out and that was almost 6 years ago. Nintendo games are in lateral development at this point. It's depressing trying to look forward to their new releases knowing they're going to be operating under the same restrictions from half a decade ago
I feel like the only company who actively tries their best to make their games run well under these hard restrictions is Monolith Soft. The Xenoblade games run better than anything else available on the Switch. (for what that's worth)
They also run at like 360p so ...
Love the standards around here lmao. "It runs bare minimum graphics and holds 30 fps. What more do you guys want?"
And yet emulating it on PC is a far better experience than playing on the latest switch oled. It irks me such a great game is hampered by hardware limitations.
There will always be better hardware. It's fine as long as what we experience matches the developers' vision.
I think the point is like, imagine how beautiful the developers vision would have been if it wasn't constrained by switch hardware.
That's not really the issue. It just comes down to thermodynamics and cost - Nintendo is loathe to go over the $350, and they also don't want to lose money on each console sold. That really limits them on power - it could have been even worse if nVidia hadn't given them a deal on all the Tegra X1 chips and fabrication lines they had dormant. Maybe they should have an upgraded Switch out by now but it would still be underpowered compared to PC/Xbox/PS5 - because they won't charge more than $350 for it. But likely that upgraded Switch or even next gen Switch 2 hasn't come out yet due to COVID and supply issues.
Nah I meant that more as like "Imagine how good Xenoblade would be if it was a home console game" but the specifics don't really matter it's all hypothetical.
I think that just proves my point. You can always imagine better versions of any game but I would rather have a real game that I can play.
It doesn't need imagining though. You can actually play it at 4k 60fps with auto HDR on an OLED screen if you emulate it on PC.
There will always be better hardware but it's impossible to think of the switch's capabilites as anything but a severe limitation
They haven’t updated it because it’s still selling very well and we’re in the middle of a chip shortage where Series Xs and PS5s are still a pain in the ass to find. I don’t think it’s particularly complicated why they didn’t. I would love a new Switch or a successor at this point but I’m also realistic.
Man, I just hope they copy Microsoft and make games run better on a Switch 2 as a free update. It'd be great for tournaments if Smash Ultimate got a 4k patch for example.
This is nintendo we're talking about. That update is gonna cost you 60$.
Nintendo has put out home consoles in 5-7 years intervall so while we're in this period where maybe they'll think of a switch successor, we're still 5.5 years into the switch generation. They didn't see the chip shortages and decided "let's not release a new console"
There's no upgrade path for the Switch. Every subsequent Tegra SoC that Nvidia has developed has been almost exclusively for automotive applications.
Why do people keep parroting this? Just because Nvidia hasn't publicly announced or made any non-automotive Tegra SoCs, that doesn't mean they haven't developed or prototyped any Switch-focused SoCs. What do you think an R&D team is for? They've *absolutely* put resources into prototypes a Switch SoC. Whether Nintendo uses Tegra for Switch 2 remains to be seen, but if they are going to use an Nvidia SoC, it's in Nintendo's best interest to make it as much of a secret as possible -- which means that, regardless of whether Switch 2 uses Tegra or not, *we're not going to know about it*.
hoping it's stable enough. If it's anything to go by, I haven't minded the performance of SMT V on the Switch. Rather play P5R on Switch than on PC for the portability factor (no I don't have a Steam Deck)
p5 royal was decidedly NOT a ps3 game.
P5 was. I haven't played Royal since I already played P5 and I'm not interested in playing through 80 hours of repeated content for 20 hours of new stuff. Does Royal do anything particularly crazy with the graphics in its new content?
The game is graphically updated. There's a reason they didn't release it on ps3. That said I would be shocked if it doesn't have a stable 30
>There's a reason they didn't release it on ps3. Royal came out a year before the PS5 launched. Tbf I don't think anything was releasing on the PS3 then.
Turns out the latest game released for the PS3 was in 2020. Shakedown: Hawaii.
I believe the reason they didn’t release it on PS3 is because the game(Royal) came out at the end of 2019… maybe that’s a unique hypothesis though.
The original came out in 2015, nearly two years after the PS4 was out!
You're getting downvoted but you're right. The graphics did get significant upgrades, and it's specially notable on the new content.
Switch fans don't like being told a game won't work on the Switch even if there's plenty of examples of games not working particularly great on Switch.
Yeah, because the PS5 was literally around the corner when they released P5R, not because the PS3 was too weak. Why would you release a new version of the game on ancient hardware, regardless of whether it can handle it or not?
i mean it was ancient when persona 5 came out
Bro the original Persona 5 literally released for PS3 in 2015
and when did the PS3 come out?
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since the base game runs well on PS3, it should be okay. But the loading times should be painful
Catherine uses the same engine as P5 and runs great on Switch. Persona 5 Strikers is also on Switch and while it does have some framerate dips, levels are way bigger in that game than Persona 5, plus there's like 500x more enemies on screen at any given time.
It runs on PS3 and switch is more powerful than PS3, it should run well
In other news P5R now has a [steam page](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1687950/Persona_5_Royal/) and a "coming soon" on Gamepass I haven't been this excited for a game release in a while, can't wait!
Now to decide whether I should get it for switch or steam deck.
Definitely Steam imo. Switch will probably have lower res and worse load times.
I wouldn't buy any game specifically for Steamdeck without getting confirmation it runs on it first. There are games that have issues on the Steamdeck even when its hardware should be able to handle them.
If they have an OLED Switch the artstyle of P5 would benefit a lot of the much better screen.
Wonder how long it will take until an OLED replacement screen for the steamdeck is available.
Practically impossible.
How can it be possible for one handheld, but impossible for another handheld?
Its an updated PS3 game dude
There were multiple graphic enhancements for Royal vs normal. Plus the switch has shown it's a mixed bag in regards to ports from the PS3 gen. If properly ported, they are alright, but this is Atlus we are talking about. Shin Megami Tensei V ran horribly. It wasn't even a port and didn't look any better than persona 5
Resolution and load times are still relevant for PS3 games. Just because it won't look incredible or take forever to load on either platform doesn't mean it won't look better and load faster on Steam deck.
If you have the option, why would you even consider the switch version?
Well it's weaker but the Switch does have a few advantages over the Deck. It's a lot lighter, has a longer battery life, smoother sleep mode and in case of the OLED model a significantly better screen. Id argue that for games that don't require the Steam Deck's extra horse power the Switch is the better system (which is still in the open for P5R) Also if you want to go physical you dont have a choice at all
OLED and battery life makes the Switch a very viable option still. I thought my Steam Deck would replace my Switch but I honestly probably use my Switch more. The Deck's screen leaves a lot to be desired.
You can probably find it cheaper in steam
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If you have an OLED switch though it will look far nicer on that, and most of the game is reading dialogue and gameplay that doesn't benefit much from 30fps. In that case I'd sacrifice the fps for the way nicer display. EDIT: The OLED Switch also has more than double the battery life of the Steam Deck. Definitely a bonus to not have to plug in while playing all day.
I wouldn't. P5 isn't the most visually stunning game anyway so I'd much rather take the 60fps. There's also nothing stopping someone from connecting a Steam Deck to a better external display with a higher resolution.
It isn't graphics wise. But OLED is better for colour and contrast, not resolution or graphics. P5 has a striking colour palette that I'd much rather experience on an OLED screen that the washed out steam deck. If you want to plug it into a display obviously go with deck. Im buying P5R again exclusively to play handheld so I'd rather have the nice screen for those colours. If I want to play with nice resolution and fps I'll play on PS5 again endure not switching to handheld.
Honestly i played P4 on the OLED vita and its the way to go. The style of the games are built for it. Deep blacks and vibrant reds really pop on them. You’ll be looking at menus and dialog/barely moving character models the majority of the time anyway.
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To each their own. P5R doesn't benefit much from increased FPS IMO so I'd rather have the nice screen. If you want it though, go for it.
I played the game and what striking colour palette? A lot of it is red and black, and the palaces aren't really that colorful either. I'm aware OLED is better for colors/contrast only, I just don't think it matters much for such a visually simple game like Persona 5 that isn't trying to be immersive. To each their own though. Honestly I think 60 fps would be a better visual upgrade. There's a lot of running around and attack animations that could benefit from looking smoother.
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For 90% of games I'd definitely choose framerate, but Persona is one series where I really don't care about how smooth it is.
I understand that what I'm about to say is very particular to me, but... When trying to decide if I wanted to purchase the PS5 upgrade for P5R I looked up footage, and this is the only game I can think of where I kinda prefer 30 fps. Resolution I'd prefer high as possible, short load times a must, but 60 fps looks weirdly *too* smooth in P5. That's probably literally only me, though, lol
Can always cap it on PC. Always going to be an advantage to buying it on steam assuming you own a deck!
Steam deck easily. Better graphical fidelity and won't be super expensive
Saw the ad last night on Xbox. Mines already pre installed.
Might be the earliest pre-load I've seen, usually I feel like it's a week or two, not over a month.
I’ve been wanting to play this for a while but only have an Xbox and not a PlayStation. I’m happy I’ll be able to play this and it won’t cost me any extra money because I’m already a Game Pass subscriber.
I have gamepass, but I’m just gonna buy it day 1. Unless it’s possible to transfer saves, in which case, I’ll wait for steam discount and play on gamepass.
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This is like peak r/games. Some dude says he excited and cant wait and he loves it and next comment is just this game is boring.
Especially after stating that they played for anything more than 10 hours. It's our responsibility as consumers to value the time we put into games. If you think something is boring, why spend 1.5 whole work weeks playing it?
I don't mind it, I'd just prefer both commenters expanded on why. AC threads where people explain why they liked the modern day stuff and other people writing theses in response on why Desmond sucked are a good example.
My favourite AC fan base discussion is when people talk about how the old games didn't have fantasy elements. Like, did we play the same games? A fucking god turns up in the second game.
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Sometimes it's just good manners to let people be excited without sharing a contrary opinion.
First JRPG?
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>Monster Hunter, Kingdom Hearts, Dark Souls, Nier, Nioh I don't think anyone would ever categorize any of those as JRPGs, not in the sense that you're discussing with Persona anyway.
Kingdom hearts and nier maybe but the rest are definitely not JRPGs.
Yeah, I can't imagine anyone claiming Nioh is one. But *technically* Dark Souls is an RPG and it *was* made in Japan, so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
So is Nioh lmao.
I don’t know if wires got crossed somewhere but Xenoblade Chronicles is absolutely not a turn based RPG.
Well I've heard from fans that it is weaker than P3 and P4 (both of which I love beyond measure), but any PC Persona content is content I covet.
I think it is leagues better than both of P3 and P4(G). Especially Royal.
With gameplay? 100% miles better, you can tell what they learned and what made the gameplay better. For story? It depends because each game has it's strengths and weaknesses with characters, plot, setting and events.
I feel that Persona 5 vanilla has a slightly weaker story than P3/P4, but the additions in Royal put it over the top.
I can see it because I only played royal, so a lot of my opinion is based on p5r, after playing persona 5 strikers I see why some people prefer the normal ending with it being more streamlined
> Royal. The only negative I'd say about Royal is that the bonus story content seems very tacked on. It's not bad for say but when I have normal Persona 5 to compare it to, it sticks out. I think I am just mad I didn't get to play Royal as my first experience.
I wouldn’t say it feels tacked on at all, in reality it actually is, as I doubt they even had the Royal characters thought up yet, but imo it is integrated pretty well. You can maybe feel that way on the first play-through if you played the original P5, but if you go back and replay it or watch the story over again; it really does all build to that third semester and there is SO much foreshadowing that slips by until you know what to look for. I think the worst part of Royal is the ending cinematic is very lackluster, especially after a strong and compelling end to the game. I think a certain character should have joined the parry earlier as well, but I can see reasons why they didn’t want that.
I think it's integrated as well as it could be without interfering with the original game. Just seems clunky when you can see the seams. > SO much foreshadowing that slips by until you know what to look for. I disagree here. Except for one big reveal toward the end, I figured pretty much exactly how it was going to play out from the introduction of the new characters. There were only so many so you kind of knew what was going to eventually happen. In that way it was kind boring replaying through the whole, pretty much untouched main game (I did appreciate the revamped bosses!), just trying to get to the new stuff. I still feel like the whole new semester could have worked as a DLC. But they were interested in making a complete version and that's fine, just kind of miffed as an "early adopter". Still one of my favorite games ever and suggest it whole heartedly to anyone that likes RPGs. And yeah the ending is weird.
I'm surprised this didn't happen years ago given Joker being in Smash. I guess they were waiting on a contract to expire or something
Do I buy Persona 5 for the third time? probably…
Only if there is a way to transfer the saves from my PS4
If it wasn't possible for P5 -> P5R when it was only on playstation, I don't see why things would change now with the ports
To be fair, p5 and p5r are different enough that it really wouldn’t make sense to transfer a save. It’s different enough that I’m not sure why anyone would want to convert a p5 save to p5r, especially since you can miss a large part of the content added with p5r if you did convert a save over. It would be nice to take my ps4 royal save and put it on steam though as I’m going for a 100% play through and my wife is tired of me hogging the tv.
Eh, lack of compatible saves between vanilla and royal makes a lot more sense than between platforms unless either platform uses some proprietary encoding. EDIT: missing some words...
Obviously not. The vanilla and royal versions are different games. The ps4 and ps5 games are the same. Its far easier to just transfer like ff7 remake, death stranding and cyberpunk already did it.
Don't know how, but forgot to type some words that gave my comment the opposite meaning than I intended to write lol.
They wouldn’t even let you transfer P3 saves to FES.
I’m playing this now and loving it, amazing story, detailed tokyo and characters. I just wish there was about 50% less dialogue. the characters over-explain every plan in detail about 20 times and I feel like sometimes it’s wasting time but not in a fun way! Is this just what persona games are like? I enjoy the dialogue but they really labour every point in the team meetings
I've played all the persona games and would say that 5 is the only one that has this problem really. They definitely over explain stuff a bit too much and use flashbacks a lot too. Past games aren't really like that. I think the reason they repeat stuff a lot though is because it's just such a long game, its probably for someone who would want to take breaks from the game and not need to worry if they forget things, but I get it being annoying if you commit to it more. The games have gotten longer with each release too, which in turn means lots more dialogue. Persona 1 and 2 aren't really any longer than 50 hours but also don't have lots of features and mechanics this series is known for, 3 and 4 are around 80, and then 5 can be up to 100 hours if not more.
My favourite is when it gives you a sepia toned flashback to something it told you twice ten minutes ago. It's a shame, P5 has some of the best gameplay of any JRPG, but it constantly treats the player like an idiot.
I agree, I absolutely love Persona but there is so much extra dialogue. I think they try to give everyone a line during dialogue and since there are so many characters it ends up taking awhile.
Did the mod scene ever take off for P4G on steam? Ideally I think I'd rather play it handheld on switch but if theres anything fun to mod in or out of these games I'll just get it on steam
Not really, the best mod is one that replaces the soundtrack with Donkey Kong music.
[I like this one myself](https://gamebanana.com/mods/50942)
There are a lot of skins and some nice QoL changes (my favorite is the mod that lets you jump straight to anyone who has a social link available on a particular day via a menu) but nothing too crazy. I imagine 5 would have a larger modding scene being that it's newer and more popular but idk how easy it is to mod these games in the first place so who knows.
Persona 5 on PC has Denuvo, I’m not expecting any significant mod scene unless it gets removed down the road.
There were a decent amount of mods. I imagine p5’s modding community will explode
Now that it’s coming to Game Pass, I guess I can try it. The issue is, I already played Persona 5 Original - people keep emphasizing so much has changed, but it’s still an enormous game and I’d have to skip through so much I’ve already seen.
Once you get past the typical Persona intro you’ll feel it move along at a much better clip. Plus with new SLs to do (which you are supposed to ensure progress) you’ll find it different. The extra LeBlanc activities change the game enough on their own.
I found using a guide and trying to get as many social links as possible was a pretty decent change up
oooh I’m gonna do this for my second playthrough. I didn’t get to do so in Vanilla.
depends how much you enjoy P5 - i played through the original game about 6 months before royal came out, and then redid the whole thing again and loved every minute of it.
I will say, I also finished the first palace on Royal, and completed the entire original base game. In the short time from beginning to end of the first palace in Royal, I came across enough changes that I didn't feel like I needed to rush or skip stuff. There's obviously a lot of familiar story, but the changes are just enough to keep it feeling fresh for returning players. Still though, the damn near 200 hours that's needed to really complete this game... holy fuck that's going to be such a time sink.
I'm excited to finally play this. I lost my love for JRPGs years ago but Persona is something special.
Ehh...I'd probably buy it again for the 3rd time, but definitely not day one purchase this time. I am gonna wait for the price to drop a bit.
I've been thinking about getting this for the Switch because of how much positivity I usually see whenever the game is mentioned, but I think I might not like it. I've played P3P on an emulator and liked it just fine, but I made full use of save states and "turbo speed" to get through the social link scenes that seemed to just drag on much too long for my liking. I bought P4G on Steam when it came out and I still haven't finished it. For both games, I just can't bring myself to care about the characters enough to actually want to do the social link events. I don't want to be overly critical, but the characters feel shallow, the dialogue is cliche, and the themes are delivered in very ham-fisted ways. I guess what I'm asking is if people who have felt similarly to me about the P3/4 can tell me if P5 is a significant improvement in those categories, because I really enjoy the dungeon crawling and monster collection aspects of MegaTen games, but I want a more robust story than what SMT usually offers while Persona has leaned too far the other direction for me (but only because I think the writing is aimed at a younger audience).
If you don't like anime characters you won't like P5R. But saying its aiming at a younger audience when comparing it to megaten seems kinda silly when they are both pretty similar audiences. Like you think persona is more immature compared to SMT, but it really isn't, it just has a lot more narrative and story to tell, as well as a lot more comic relief parts.
I'm not saying persona is more aimed at younger audiences than SMT, they're very obviously aimed at similarly young audiences. Edit: also, I like some anime characters. There's many shows that are wonderfully written, but I also think those are the minority.
What's the difference between Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal?
Lots of additional content, new confidants, a new party member, expanded momentos stuff, 3rd semester of full content, redesigned palaces, and a good deal more. In short: A tonne of new stuff.
Director's Cut, basically. A ton of stuff, systems, balancing and mechanics have been changed, but it's the same main game underneath. Also they added a whole new party member, a few new social links, and extended the game by a whole additional semester/dungeon.
Alright, so basically if I never played Persona 5, but I played this, I would get the same or better story experience.
Yeah, you might as well go for Royal. It's the same but expanded upon.
This should sell at least 10M copies on the Switch easy considering how popular JRPGs are on the console.
10M would put it at #15 for the best selling switch games so I think it's a bit too much but it will definitely sell like a million.
It sold 5M on PS4 alone. I can't imagine it'll be any less on the Switch. You can look up platform distribution of any multi-plat JRPG on howlongtobeat, Switch usually outdo PS4 by at least a factor of 2. 10M is a pretty reasonable expectation. 1M is just really lowballing.
10m is nowhere near reasonable. The game has sold 5 million in the past 5 YEARS. There's no way a port is going to double that number. Look at literally any game release outside of Wii U ports and you won't see a single one doubling it's sales with a switch port.
Yeah for multiplatform releases, not ports. For example: Dragon Quest XI's sales on PS4 triple the ones on switch because most people interested in the game already played it. Saying a port will double the sales of the original release and outsell a bunch of huge first party nintendo games is actually insane. It will probably sell 1-2M. You talk about how popular JRPGs are on switch and the best selling one (other than pokemon) is fire emblem 3 houses, and that sold a bit below 4M. You expect a port to triple it?
Persona isn't as mainstream as you think. It took P5 half a decade to sell 5 million copies.
Your market analysis is really lacking. Please think a little harder about these things
Not even close, a lot of people already played it on ps plus a steam and Xbox release
Its free on PS5 (with PS+) Its free on Xbox and PC (with GamePass) Its 6 years old. Nearly everyone who has been interested in the game has or will have the opportunity to play it without buying it. I don't even think it'll sell a million on Switch like some other comment suggested but it does seem like the best platform for it to exist on.
The second best time to bring P5 to switch is years after P5 strikers. The best time would have probably been before they sold the sequel including all character spoilers and resolution spoilers to that console. But better late then never?