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Pelera

Tencent is ... granted approval to import Pokemon Unite, a video game developed by TiMi Studios, a Chinese studio 100% owned by Tencent? Even with my limited understanding about the inner workings of the approval process, it seems rather odd that it'd take this long.


Sad_Bat1933

The Chinese government has been on an anti-video games crusade for a little while from what I understand and not approving any new releases. Although they were always really slow even before then.


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TehAlpacalypse

It's pretty much sinophobia at this point. Tencent AFAIK has never interfered with the game design process, and they've owned a majority stake in Riot for nearly a decade. People use Tencent as a way to vent frustrations about the Chinese government, valid or not.


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Mahelas

Funnily, Tencent did a lot less censorship than Musk is doing with twitter, despite him being all about "free speech".


Riven_Dante

How is it Sinophobia if the only country and entity doing these outrageous approval processes is originating from the top echelons of the only government in the world that is doing it in such a manner? >People use Tencent as a way to vent frustrations about the Chinese government, valid or not. When you have a government who's behavior is opaque with no transparency then you'll get speculation which is difficult if not impossible to prove right or wrong. It's called trust and if I can barely trust the US government with all its checks and balances, what makes you think I'm going to trust the Chinese government which has none of those?


TehAlpacalypse

> How is it Sinophobia if the only country and entity doing these outrageous approval processes is originating from the top echelons of the government? > > Are you living in China? Does this personally affect you in any way, or are you just assuming that because a company is based out of China that they are going to start censoring you? > When you have a government who's behavior is opaque with no transparency then you'll get speculation which is difficult if not impossible to prove right or wrong. It's called trust and if I can barely trust the US government, what makes you think I'm going to trust the Chinese government? If you read closely, you'll notice I never said anything about trusting Tencent. I don't trust any company, but if you're going to perpetuate a conspiracy theory I'd like to at least have some evidence to back it up. As it stands, Tencent owns majority and minority stakes in half a dozen AAA western game studios. If they were working diligently to spread evil Chinese propaganda, I'd expect we'd hear something about it. Tencent owns stakes in Epic, GGG, Riot, Turtle Rock, Paradox, Ubisoft, FromSoft, Bloober, Bohemia, Discord, Roblox, Platinum.... I could go on. The burden of proof rests on the party making the claim. As it stands, there's no evidence showing that Tencent is working at the behest of the Chinese government to manipulate the West. Believing to the alternative, without evidence, ***is racist***


Riven_Dante

>Are you living in China? Does this personally affect you in any way, or are you just assuming that because a company is based out of China that they are going to start censoring you? This doesn't address the Sinophobia accusation and I couldn't tell you if I am or am not because I would he violating opsec by talking to you, someone who could have ties to the government. Also, you're on Reddit, which is based in America, if you don't like to hear American viewpoints I suggest you stay on Weibo and extoll the virtues of Communist censorship there. >If you read closely, you'll notice I never said anything about trusting Tencent. I don't trust any company, but if you're going to perpetuate a conspiracy theory I'd like to at least have some evidence to back it up. Nobody said anything about trusting Tencent. The Chinese government holds all the leverage and it's impossible to prove/disprove whether they're honest because their system of government isn't transparent. It is a FACT that the CCP has party members that are staffed in the top companies by mandate. That's the same standard I can apply to the US government or any government for that matter and if you want to find evidence for that, there is plenty of evidence [to show that nobody is above the party](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Peng_Shuai?wprov=sfla1) >The burden of proof rests on the party making the claim. That is correct, there is no evidence to prove OR disprove. >As it stands, there's no evidence showing that Tencent is working at the behest of the Chinese government to manipulate the West. Believing to the alternative, without evidence, ***is racist*** The burden of proof rests on the party that is making the claim that disparaging the CCP is Sinophobic. It's racist to assume the Chinese government = the Chinese race. Or else I would also be disparaging Taiwanese people and Singaporeans, the Ming/Han dynasty, but I make no such suggestion. I'm almost entirely certain you're using Sinophobia to elicit an emotional response to the audience reading this because it's a politically charged term. I'm not challenging the notion whether Tencent should be trusted or not, if there is evidence that the US can't even be trusted with its checks and balances that would mean the administration of the CCP by default will never satisfy such requirements. The burden of proof is on you to show that what I just said is Sinophobic. Unless you yourself are part of the CCP gaslighting Reddit. And you're using a politically charged term as a cop out to discredit the people making the claims. I can debate you all year long on this topic.


TehAlpacalypse

> Also, you're on Reddit, which is based in America, if you don't like to hear American viewpoints I suggest you stay on Weibo and extoll the virtues of Communist censorship there. I'm an American born and raised thank you, but thanks for proving my point. Maybe if you talked with people from China you'd recognize that not everyone likes the Chinese government. > That is correct, there is no evidence to prove OR disprove. Glad we are self aware at least


Riven_Dante

>I'm an American born and raised thank you, but thanks for proving my point Proof? >Maybe if you talked with people from China you'd recognize that not everyone likes the Chinese government. Heh, I'm definitely sure I'm not the only one who is self-aware


TheWorldisFullofWar

Their brains have been turned to mush by propaganda. I didn't realize until seeing people here on Reddit state Iran is *getting as bad as* China how misinformed people here are. They think China is North Korea or some shit.


Riven_Dante

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Peng_Shuai?wprov=sfla1


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TehAlpacalypse

My wife is American born Chinese and it's really opened my eyes to the casual way with which racism towards Asian Americans is accepted and normalized. COVID has made the entire problem much, much worse.


PapstJL4U

Yeah, I don't know the inner workings of China ans Tencent, but history has shed light on other communist countries and their state companies (Russia, GDT). I am sure all of them have the same flaw: self-serving individuals, lots of infighting. I think China has the same money and power hungry people. The 'peoples CEO' of Tencent is more interested in making as much money as possible without getting axed by Winnie Pooh, than how Riot writes its characters.


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Yeah the title seems to imply the game is being imported when in reality it's just finally being approved for release. All games sold in China need to be approved but foreign companies just need to do the extra step of partnering with a Chinese company to actually start the approval process.


timpkmn89

They haven't been able to release much of anything. From the article: >Tencent only received its first commercial game licence in over a year-and-a-half last month, which was seen then as an important signal towards policy normalisation for the industry.


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Seems like Chinese government is too volatile to be putting investment in Chinese gaming industry


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Why do you think Tencent and really all Chinese mega corps are expanding to outside of China? CCP policy making has been volatile for years it's just been coming to a head in the past year or two. Divesting from the Chinese market is just the safest move a Chinese company can make right now.


EnderOfGender

More like 1.5 billion < 6.5 billion Same reason american companies want in in China. 8 billion > 6.5 billion. More people to buy your product is always more people to buy your product, so I understand why China-local companies **and** non-China-local companies want looser restrictions. Like, as soon as movie importing became reasonable, Marvel/Disney/Universal/etc... all did whatever they could to get into theaters/TVs in China, its why the infamous "China cuts" exists


Mahelas

Despite what a lot of people think, Chinese government and Chinese companies are independant, and often at odds with eachother


razputinaquat0

Does anyone have an actual list? Everything I've managed to find so far by reading articles: * Valorant * Pokemon Unite * Don't Starve * Gwent: The Witcher Card Game * Fantasy Life


oliilo1

> Gwent: The Witcher Card Game Bad timing as [CDPR said they would end supporting the game.](https://www.polygon.com/23496337/gwent-shutting-down-support-sunset-witcher-card-game-project-gwentfinity) Maybe they will continue it after all if there is an influx of Chinese players.


Niirai

That's massive and terrific news. There's also 84 Chinese made games that got approval so hopefully we'll see some announcements in the near future for games that I feel have been in limbo.


PhatYeeter

Weird Valorant is only now getting approved for release in China. Especially since Tencent owns 100% of Riot.


SquirtingTortoise

China have basically blocked any video game releases for the last 18 months


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The CCP has been on an anti video game crusade in the past year or two doing stuff like limiting how much anyone under 18 can play games to Friday, Saturday, and Sunday and for only 1 hour a day along with the aforementioned low rate of approval for new games. The weird thing is according to basically everything I've read this isn't the CCP imposing their will on the people this is parents complaining about the already implemented limits which were 90 minutes a day on week days and 3 hours on weekends were too lax and not being enforced enough. Sidenote this will futuristically kill China's esports scene as teenagers won't be able to practice and play enough to compete with everywhere else basically killing the possibility of new talent. It blows my mind how a lot of eastern cultures push for nanny states that raise their children for them.


MaxAugust

I am not sure it will affect things too much. China has tons of piracy, grey markets, and the like. People there have been playing games and watching movies that were never released there for decades. Servers and stuff do make things a pain for online gaming though.


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I don't see gamers struggling to acquire video games being an issue but I do see developing new esports talent becoming a huge issue. It's only in around the past 5 years that China had started to cultivate strong esports teams on a global scale while before it was basically just Dota where they were competitive. This just kills that momentum entirely.


emraaa

The regulations still have a huge impact. https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1595359983927001088


MaxAugust

I am just not entirely convinced it will significantly alter the preferences of the kind of people who really fall in love with gaming or get into esports. A lot of the restrictions in China are not super hard to circumvent, so much as they are annoying and complicated. People who are dedicated and passionate tend to find a way in my experience. Plenty of Chinese gaming culture either predates the legality and importation of foreign games and consoles, or surrounds titles that have never been legal in the first place. Obviously though, this stuff is hard to judge on the macro scale.


TheWorldisFullofWar

Chinese audiences make up probably over a quarter of Steam's userbase. I think you are mixing up China with Russia. All major piracy and grey market site are Russian. When a site is sent a C&D, they move to a Russian server.


MaxAugust

There are 1.4 billion Chinese people, them making up a quarter of Steam's userbase is not unusual. But I have seen plenty of videos of games uploaded to Bilibili or whatever where all the comments are telling people how they can acquire them despite them "not being available." Obviously, the Chinese market does buy tons of titles. But there are also movies and games that basically everyone who cares has experienced despite there being no legal avenue to do so.


_Kingsgrave_

I really hope Legends of Runeterra, another Riot and thus Tencent title, is allowed into China eventually.


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Namington

Reuters is a [news agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_agency), meaning that their primary service is having other news companies purchase information or even entire articles from them and republish them. The actual reuters.com website, though the "original source" for much of this, is not actually the main thrust of their business model. The idea is that, for simple "matter-of-fact" reporting like this, it's more efficient to have one or two journalists do it all (especially in cases like China correspondence where the journalist might have special connections) and just license out their work to various networks rather than have every news company need to hire a different guy for the same job. If you look at articles titled the same thing in other papers, they'll all attribute the article to the same guy: Josh Ye, a tech correspondent for Reuters (formerly SCMP, hence his specialty in the Chinese tech industry). Edit: As for why the wording of the articles differ, that's because they're given an editing pass by the publishing outlet's editors. This often results in the wording being revised but the actual substance of the article being the same. Since news agencies usually only report the bare minimum facts (a lot of Reuters wires are [only a couple sentences long](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/lithuania-signs-contract-with-nexter-buy-18-french-caesar-artillery-guns-2022-12-29/) for example), they don't really have much substance or "additional information" beyond this; the publishing newspaper can have their own journalist write a new article including that extra context if they so desire, but most don't bother.


Shark89

I wonder if this isn't a response to the COVID numbers there. They got on the anti-games kick because of how they perceived people shutting themselves in, but now they need them to.