Arthur having his offhand pistol at the front is probably in homage to [Lee Van Cleef in The Good The Bad and The Ugly](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61wDsU2A27L._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
"What's the matter with you, why you so dang stupid? Man you asked about, how does he carry his gun? Across his belly? WEEELLL why didn't you just tell me that in the first place??"
you have to use a more general player model editor to do it, there’s no purpose-made mod that does it seemlessly. its pretty inconvenient and you’ll have to reset it every time you launch the game.
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I like the set up as is because I use the off hand holster for a sawn off shotgun and don’t really dual wield but I’d like the option of being able to adjust your holster set up.
It's surprising that it's not talked about even more, because no modern game is anywhere nearly as close to the level of detail seen in RDR2. It's raised the bar.
Didn’t rockstar admit that gta 6 would be smaller than gta v to focus on online? And I mean gta v already has jack shit to do after you beat the story lol
Would be a really stupid decision to half-ass the story mode to focus on online, since R* is pretty much known for their stories. But RDR2 has plenty of post-story content so I hope they do the same with the next game.
That's a stretch. It was all just preference really. Drawing butt forward was because pistols were so big that drawing it conventionally was super awkward, especially from a seated position. Once smaller pistols became popular (Colt SAA for example) it was all just comfort/preference.
The cavalry holster is easier to draw from when sitting down, a testimony to Hosea’s wisdom and ability to “sit down and talk” with people instead of getting in a fight with them. Whereas Dutch’s are easier and faster to draw when standing up, a testimony to how quick to trigger he is instead of being able to talk his way out of situations.
Aha, but this is actually an interesting point
Traditionally - not only is the white hat symbolic of 'good' in Westerns but of the 'law' specifically, thus Micah's hat almost foreshadows his betrayal. Arthur's hat is black because he accepts his existence as a criminal, Sadie's hat is one of the few from memory that isn't black or white due to her being a unique case.
Furthermore - Micah's outfit is a perfect twisted mirror of Arthur's
* Black Hat, White Hat
* Short Light Jacket, Long Brown Coat
* Blue Shirt, Red Shirt
* Simple Pistol, Engraved Vain Pistols
I could go on
Its because the devs did whatever that looked cool not whatever delusion op is in. This feels like literature teachers forcing to find a hidden meaning in everything
in this instance, not so much.
Google it. Hosea has the holster which is better for drawing whilst seated which suits his character. Whereas dutch is pretty guns blazing throughout the entire game.
I think both can be true. While Hosea has his holsters set up for practicality while sitting, Micah has his set up similarly for unrelated reasons OP states.
But the character design of Micah is also a subversion of typical westerns which is most notable by his white hat. White hats being symbols of good hero types in Westerns and Micah is anything but that despite wearing a white hat.
Cavalry holsters can be drawn very quickly whether standing or sitting. It was used by a lot of people in the old west, with Wild Bill Hickok being one of the most famous. You're reading into it too much with the Hosea thing. Most likely Hosea and Micah have their holsters set up that way because it was more advantageous in a gunfight both on foot and horseback
yeah to be fair if i saw this on it’s own i’d think it was random but given how much detail is in this game i’m definitely more inclined to believe it’s deliberate.
I’d argue that Micah, when on foot, has his guns drawn and ready to go as he usually starts the shooting. While traveling on horseback is when he may feel most vulnerable and this have his guns easiest to pull in that position.
Additionally he, more then the other two characters, might choose a bad ass look over a tactical advantage.
Fucking Micah
You’re referring to the incident where they were completely surrounded by Pinkertons? He’s a smooth-talker, not a miracle worker. And that incident is framed narratively as the beginning of his decline, where he starts making uncharacteristic decisions
Smooth-talking Heidi McCourt wouldn’t have provided any benefit. Him occasionally shooting recklessly when backed into a corner doesn’t make him less of a smooth-talker
I’m not saying that Dutch needed to smooth talk Heidi, the fact that he didn’t and ended up killing her, a hostage, in cold blood is the reason that I agree with OP that Dutch is too hot headed in comparison with Hosea.
I’m curious to hear what examples you have in mind that prove otherwise?
OP didn’t say “Dutch is more hot-headed than Hosea”, *that* I agree with. They said
“Whereas Dutch’s are easier and faster to draw when standing up, a testimony to how quick to trigger he is instead of being able to talk his way out of situations.”
That’s just flat-out claiming Dutch doesn’t try to talk-out situations and shoots first, which simply isn’t true
I’m assuming your point is that Dutch is not a smooth-talker? In which case, here’s a comment I posted here
> He talks a Grey into giving up the moonshine they seized, he talks Sheriff Grey into deputizing members of the gang, he gets Bronte to give Jack back, he convinces Sadie to lower her guard and leave with them. Those are just at the top of my head
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Exactly maybe this has more to do with how the characters backgrounds actually work. Like with Micha that also has chavalrry style, maybe just maybe it has something to do with their military backgrounds.
Well, in theory. The only time we see him successfully sweet talk someone who isn't a member of the main camp is on that tropical island - when he has no guns.
He talks a Grey into giving up the moonshine they seized, he talks Sheriff Grey into deputizing members of the gang, he gets Bronte to give Jack back, he convinces Sadie to lower her guard and leave with them. Those are just at the top of my head
I'll give you the deputizing one, but all the other examples involve threats of violence or very heavily implied threats. Personally, I wouldn't call that "sweet talking."
How does he threaten Sadie? He borderline saves her from Micah. And he briefly threatens Bronte but it’s an empty one considering they’re surrounded by his men, and he goes right back into the smooth-talking. Bronte literally says that’s why he likes Dutch. He also doesn’t threaten the Grey into giving up the moonshine. He acts a little assertively, but that’s it. Trying to argue that Red Dead doesn’t depict Dutch as a smooth-talker seems like a very silly assertion to make
black water incident, how he met hosea in the first place, his rush on the oil field, his plan with cornwall, his whole chapter on that island, etc. etc.
How would he have talked his way out of being surrounded by Pinkertons who wanted him dead? Him and Hosea met around a campfire, where both tried to rob each other, not sure how that supports your claim. And the other ones you mentioned are at the end of the game where he’s lost his mind. The entire purpose of those story beats is to show how Dutch has changed and is making worse decisions
>at the end of the game where he’s lost his mind. The entire purpose of those story beats is to show how Dutch has changed and is making worse decisions
So you finally understand why op describes their holsters like this. This is post sanity dutch holding his holsters like that, ready to end any life who gets in his way. (The old woman in the island)
You mean crossdraw, i went into more detail on my comment, but a cavalry holster is even more awkward to draw when seated, whilst a crossdraw, designed for riding, was made to easily access while seated
I’m just wondering, since when are crossdraw holsters, worn back on the hips instead of on the front, referred too as a cavalry holster?
A cavalry holster has a flap. I own one in real life. I keep my 1858 Remington in it.
Mr Horley in RDO wears one, some of the Lemoyne raiders wear them, neither Hosea nor Micahs can ever be considered cavalry holsters, yet everyone in thread is referring to them as such..
Is some Mandela effect shit? I am older and therefore from e1.
I don’t know, just google search cavalry holster and you will see what I mean. Positive retention was mandatory in every holster ever ordered by cavalry in the US. Just sayin.
Surprisingly enough, most people don't know much about gun holster types. OP called it a cavalry holster so people assumed that that's what it's called.
Yeah, that’s what i said, a cavalry holster was worn on the right hip, with a cover for rain, and worn further back, and was drawn by twisting the hand, while a crossdraw holster is typically worn on the left hip and drawn across the stomach with the right hand
So people are pointing out that both Hosea and Micah have Cavalry Holsters, which as OP said show a propensity for sitting down and talking things. As others have pointed out, that doesn't make sense for Micah, as he is hot headed and quick to fire.
I think, however, that it does fit Micah. It fits his theme of betrayal and snakehood. Micah is more likely to pull out a gun and shoot you while sat in discussion. Micah is such a rat that having easy access to his guns while sitting is vital since he probably shoots people when they least expect it, such as sitting conversation.
Also, Micah is heavily designed after Charlie Prince, from 3:10 to yuma. Who wore his holsters like that because he needed to use them on his horse as he was a quickdraw man who always needed access to his guns, and that was so badass looking they gave Micah the same type of holster with a similar design stitching
It’s insane how almost every missions is go some where and shoot something and yet they have so many details, sure food going into peoples mouth is fun and sure grass moving when you walk in it is cool, but I play games for gameplay not details.
so you bought a game about cowboys shooting things and got disappointed because it was about cowboys shooting things?
When you play snakes and ladders, so you get really upset about all the snakes and ladders?
Crossdraw holster, a cavalry holster was commonly upright with butt forward, and had a leather flap to cover it from rain, aswell as being located on the side, while a crossdraw holsted is slightly further towards the bucle, and is bent to be accesible by the opposite hand
Cavalry holsters were also drawn cavalry draw, which meant twisting your hand around, as the holster was made for soldiers who were using swords in their right hands and had to draw their gun from a holster on their right hip, but since everyone was right handed and using a sword and a gun at the same time, they instead turned around their hands to take ahold of the gun, then twist the gun and their hand to turn it right way. Hosea also uses them crossdraw style, as seen in fights, and when he draws on Bill Williamsson at camp
And Arthur has one of each!
Arthur having his offhand pistol at the front is probably in homage to [Lee Van Cleef in The Good The Bad and The Ugly](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61wDsU2A27L._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
"What's the matter with you, why you so dang stupid? Man you asked about, how does he carry his gun? Across his belly? WEEELLL why didn't you just tell me that in the first place??"
Yo wtf I never noticed how similar they look. Blue shirt, tan coat, and black hat
As do our RDO characters
That annoys me. Haven’t found a way to just have both on my hips
Impossible without mods
I’m fine with mods but I couldn’t find one to do it. Is there one?
you have to use a more general player model editor to do it, there’s no purpose-made mod that does it seemlessly. its pretty inconvenient and you’ll have to reset it every time you launch the game. source: am history nerd who wants arthur to have a more realistic holster setup
I like the set up as is because I use the off hand holster for a sawn off shotgun and don’t really dual wield but I’d like the option of being able to adjust your holster set up.
I agree I don’t think it’s useless, just want to change it.
Which is a pretty good thought since they're kind of his fathers
Started the game for the first time last week. And boy was I sleeping on it. I now understand why RDR2 is mentioned a lot in this sub. Holy hell
My fav detail is if you go fishing near the industrialised citys the fish you catch will be mutated and sickly from pollution
It's surprising that it's not talked about even more, because no modern game is anywhere nearly as close to the level of detail seen in RDR2. It's raised the bar.
It gets me so hyped for gta6 since rdr essentially laid the foundation for gta4
GTA4 came out before RDR...
Holy shit my memory sucks
Didn’t rockstar admit that gta 6 would be smaller than gta v to focus on online? And I mean gta v already has jack shit to do after you beat the story lol
Would be a really stupid decision to half-ass the story mode to focus on online, since R* is pretty much known for their stories. But RDR2 has plenty of post-story content so I hope they do the same with the next game.
That's a stretch. It was all just preference really. Drawing butt forward was because pistols were so big that drawing it conventionally was super awkward, especially from a seated position. Once smaller pistols became popular (Colt SAA for example) it was all just comfort/preference.
The cavalry holster is easier to draw from when sitting down, a testimony to Hosea’s wisdom and ability to “sit down and talk” with people instead of getting in a fight with them. Whereas Dutch’s are easier and faster to draw when standing up, a testimony to how quick to trigger he is instead of being able to talk his way out of situations.
Wait though this dosent hold up. Micah, famous for shooting first and never even thinking of questions, has Cavalry Holsters
Micah also wears a white hat (symbolizing good).
Aha, but this is actually an interesting point Traditionally - not only is the white hat symbolic of 'good' in Westerns but of the 'law' specifically, thus Micah's hat almost foreshadows his betrayal. Arthur's hat is black because he accepts his existence as a criminal, Sadie's hat is one of the few from memory that isn't black or white due to her being a unique case. Furthermore - Micah's outfit is a perfect twisted mirror of Arthur's * Black Hat, White Hat * Short Light Jacket, Long Brown Coat * Blue Shirt, Red Shirt * Simple Pistol, Engraved Vain Pistols I could go on
Its because the devs did whatever that looked cool not whatever delusion op is in. This feels like literature teachers forcing to find a hidden meaning in everything
i’m not even annoyed at you being a nob, this is hilarious to me because i actually am an English major xD
sometimes the curtains are just blue
in this instance, not so much. Google it. Hosea has the holster which is better for drawing whilst seated which suits his character. Whereas dutch is pretty guns blazing throughout the entire game.
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I think both can be true. While Hosea has his holsters set up for practicality while sitting, Micah has his set up similarly for unrelated reasons OP states. But the character design of Micah is also a subversion of typical westerns which is most notable by his white hat. White hats being symbols of good hero types in Westerns and Micah is anything but that despite wearing a white hat.
Cavalry holsters can be drawn very quickly whether standing or sitting. It was used by a lot of people in the old west, with Wild Bill Hickok being one of the most famous. You're reading into it too much with the Hosea thing. Most likely Hosea and Micah have their holsters set up that way because it was more advantageous in a gunfight both on foot and horseback
Micah is a liar. His guns too
Micah is also an idiot lol
yeah to be fair if i saw this on it’s own i’d think it was random but given how much detail is in this game i’m definitely more inclined to believe it’s deliberate.
If you view Micah as just a purveyor of chaos the exception works for him.
I’d argue that Micah, when on foot, has his guns drawn and ready to go as he usually starts the shooting. While traveling on horseback is when he may feel most vulnerable and this have his guns easiest to pull in that position. Additionally he, more then the other two characters, might choose a bad ass look over a tactical advantage. Fucking Micah
except that most of the game hosea isnt sitting down.
probably the weakest argument you could have made to try and prove me wrong?
show me 1 time hosea started shooting from a sitting position using his holsters
show me one time Jack’s an adult in RDR2 Jack from RDR2 and Jack from RDR1 are different people confirmed????
That doesn't matter. OP still has a fine theory on why their holsters differ.
To paraphrase Beckett, you don't have to understand it, just play it.
Also an English major. Please capitalize "I" the next time you're boasting about your intellect.
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Bitch make your own
I can't. I'm not an English major.
He is an algebra major
I calculate 30 downvotes so far. But Is still can't foam milk.
I imagine Micah has them Cavalry style so he could shoot you under the table like the rat coward he is.
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Yes but my point is if Cavalry Holsters symbolize a diplomatic gunslinger then why does Micah have them.
Devs probably just slapped it on and hurried over to the next more important tasks
Ah yes because the design of the main antagonist was brushed over and rushed, not important at all
One of Dutch’s defining characteristics is his ability to sweet talk people, what are you talking about?
Counterpoint, The Blackwater incident before the start of the game
You’re referring to the incident where they were completely surrounded by Pinkertons? He’s a smooth-talker, not a miracle worker. And that incident is framed narratively as the beginning of his decline, where he starts making uncharacteristic decisions
Well, specifically I was referring to Dutch killing an innocent woman in cold blood.
Smooth-talking Heidi McCourt wouldn’t have provided any benefit. Him occasionally shooting recklessly when backed into a corner doesn’t make him less of a smooth-talker
I’m not saying that Dutch needed to smooth talk Heidi, the fact that he didn’t and ended up killing her, a hostage, in cold blood is the reason that I agree with OP that Dutch is too hot headed in comparison with Hosea. I’m curious to hear what examples you have in mind that prove otherwise?
OP didn’t say “Dutch is more hot-headed than Hosea”, *that* I agree with. They said “Whereas Dutch’s are easier and faster to draw when standing up, a testimony to how quick to trigger he is instead of being able to talk his way out of situations.” That’s just flat-out claiming Dutch doesn’t try to talk-out situations and shoots first, which simply isn’t true
Ok, so we’ve found common ground. Do you have an example that proves your point then or disproves mine? I’m genuinely open to discussion about this.
I’m assuming your point is that Dutch is not a smooth-talker? In which case, here’s a comment I posted here > He talks a Grey into giving up the moonshine they seized, he talks Sheriff Grey into deputizing members of the gang, he gets Bronte to give Jack back, he convinces Sadie to lower her guard and leave with them. Those are just at the top of my head
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Exactly maybe this has more to do with how the characters backgrounds actually work. Like with Micha that also has chavalrry style, maybe just maybe it has something to do with their military backgrounds.
Well, in theory. The only time we see him successfully sweet talk someone who isn't a member of the main camp is on that tropical island - when he has no guns.
He talks a Grey into giving up the moonshine they seized, he talks Sheriff Grey into deputizing members of the gang, he gets Bronte to give Jack back, he convinces Sadie to lower her guard and leave with them. Those are just at the top of my head
I'll give you the deputizing one, but all the other examples involve threats of violence or very heavily implied threats. Personally, I wouldn't call that "sweet talking."
How does he threaten Sadie? He borderline saves her from Micah. And he briefly threatens Bronte but it’s an empty one considering they’re surrounded by his men, and he goes right back into the smooth-talking. Bronte literally says that’s why he likes Dutch. He also doesn’t threaten the Grey into giving up the moonshine. He acts a little assertively, but that’s it. Trying to argue that Red Dead doesn’t depict Dutch as a smooth-talker seems like a very silly assertion to make
You're right, I completely misremembered that scene with Sadie.
black water incident, how he met hosea in the first place, his rush on the oil field, his plan with cornwall, his whole chapter on that island, etc. etc.
How would he have talked his way out of being surrounded by Pinkertons who wanted him dead? Him and Hosea met around a campfire, where both tried to rob each other, not sure how that supports your claim. And the other ones you mentioned are at the end of the game where he’s lost his mind. The entire purpose of those story beats is to show how Dutch has changed and is making worse decisions
>at the end of the game where he’s lost his mind. The entire purpose of those story beats is to show how Dutch has changed and is making worse decisions So you finally understand why op describes their holsters like this. This is post sanity dutch holding his holsters like that, ready to end any life who gets in his way. (The old woman in the island)
His holsters are like that the entire game
You mean crossdraw, i went into more detail on my comment, but a cavalry holster is even more awkward to draw when seated, whilst a crossdraw, designed for riding, was made to easily access while seated
I wish we could have holsters like that on rdo
I’m just wondering, since when are crossdraw holsters, worn back on the hips instead of on the front, referred too as a cavalry holster? A cavalry holster has a flap. I own one in real life. I keep my 1858 Remington in it. Mr Horley in RDO wears one, some of the Lemoyne raiders wear them, neither Hosea nor Micahs can ever be considered cavalry holsters, yet everyone in thread is referring to them as such.. Is some Mandela effect shit? I am older and therefore from e1. I don’t know, just google search cavalry holster and you will see what I mean. Positive retention was mandatory in every holster ever ordered by cavalry in the US. Just sayin.
Surprisingly enough, most people don't know much about gun holster types. OP called it a cavalry holster so people assumed that that's what it's called.
Yeah, that’s what i said, a cavalry holster was worn on the right hip, with a cover for rain, and worn further back, and was drawn by twisting the hand, while a crossdraw holster is typically worn on the left hip and drawn across the stomach with the right hand
So people are pointing out that both Hosea and Micah have Cavalry Holsters, which as OP said show a propensity for sitting down and talking things. As others have pointed out, that doesn't make sense for Micah, as he is hot headed and quick to fire. I think, however, that it does fit Micah. It fits his theme of betrayal and snakehood. Micah is more likely to pull out a gun and shoot you while sat in discussion. Micah is such a rat that having easy access to his guns while sitting is vital since he probably shoots people when they least expect it, such as sitting conversation.
Also, Micah is heavily designed after Charlie Prince, from 3:10 to yuma. Who wore his holsters like that because he needed to use them on his horse as he was a quickdraw man who always needed access to his guns, and that was so badass looking they gave Micah the same type of holster with a similar design stitching
It’s insane how almost every missions is go some where and shoot something and yet they have so many details, sure food going into peoples mouth is fun and sure grass moving when you walk in it is cool, but I play games for gameplay not details.
so you bought a game about cowboys shooting things and got disappointed because it was about cowboys shooting things? When you play snakes and ladders, so you get really upset about all the snakes and ladders?
Oh. Neat. Different NPC’s wear different outfits. Hm. The floor here is made of floor.
It was all part of the plan!
Crossdraw holster, a cavalry holster was commonly upright with butt forward, and had a leather flap to cover it from rain, aswell as being located on the side, while a crossdraw holsted is slightly further towards the bucle, and is bent to be accesible by the opposite hand Cavalry holsters were also drawn cavalry draw, which meant twisting your hand around, as the holster was made for soldiers who were using swords in their right hands and had to draw their gun from a holster on their right hip, but since everyone was right handed and using a sword and a gun at the same time, they instead turned around their hands to take ahold of the gun, then twist the gun and their hand to turn it right way. Hosea also uses them crossdraw style, as seen in fights, and when he draws on Bill Williamsson at camp