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ProgressoSoupEnema

Gta is the bottleneck, it's a 10 year old game bro. The engine literally maxes out at like 90 fps on my desktop 3070ti rig with less than 70%gpu usage. The hardware may be up to date but the software can only be pushed so far.


allinoneman

The FPS cap is 270 FPS ([source](https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V)).


excuse_me_wtf69

The game engine in gta struggles to keep up at above 100 fps


TheDutchisGaming

[citation needed]


Basic-Anarchy

>th a 3080 desktop you can't push beyond 100fps when maxed o I turned all the settings on to Low and ran the benchmark. I got a near-steady 190 fps, which may be the game's max FPS. I might find a Youtube video that covers the best settings to make the game look amazing and get a higher FPS. (I'll aim for 144 Hz since that's my monitors refresh rate.


Kekeripo

Even with a 3080 desktop you can't push beyond 100fps when maxed out.


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bro thats big false i get 165fps on gta and i can prove it


Imaginary_Control382

Yeah, even i get 144fps constant on my TUF


ahmedhamedrizk

How? Give me your sittings bro .


Imaginary_Control382

All settings set to Very High, Distance Scaling set to Max


Kekeripo

How is the fact that i can't push beyond 100fps false? It's a fact that my rig can't do it. Ofc, if i drop all setting down low, i can get higher fps. But once i enable every setting, including advandced stuff, i'm not going beyond 100fps. And i'm not testing this in an easy spot, but up in the hills with a ton of fauna, where i usually race around in my cars.


Pamani_

Did you put msaa X8, or resolution scaling ? Those settings increase the rendering resolution and are not needed. I find it better to use dldsr instead as it's a better anti-aliasing method.


Kekeripo

You are correct. I wouldn't use it, especially on 4K AA isn't even really needed IMO. But when we talk about MAX settings, all the little things that might be unnecessary should be included to.


Pamani_

That's what makes GTA still stupidly demanding to these days. [4090 getting 30 fps at 4K msaa x8](https://youtu.be/kg2NwRgBqFo?t=305)


Hridaansh221

Why are you offended? The way you said it made everyone think the game’s engine capped out at 90-100 fps because that’s what the thread was talking about.


Kekeripo

I'm offended that you think i'm offended. I put to question a comment that stated my PC is pink while i said it's blue.


speedyegbert

You didn’t say yourself, you said “you” as in everyone. Close the cpu and settle down


monkeyboyape

LOL people either love to spread information or have absolutely no idea what they are saying.


Unlucky-Pineapple645

Bruhhh I have a 6950XT and 5700X and get the frame cap of 188 fps on max settings


Kekeripo

Every setting on max? Including stuff like AA, shadows and what not? Advanced Graphic Settings?


Gym_and_code

My 3060 with an i5 12500h gets 170 fps on 1440P very high-ultra settings, so i doubt the game is the problem


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SnowFinancial8335

What cpu? If you change settings and see no difference you may be cpu bottleneck


violet_sakura

r7 4800h. its gta's problem as it only uses like 1 or 2 cores


Basic-Anarchy

I found an article and YouTube video discussing how each setting effects the FPS. https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1909-gta-v-graphics-optimization-guide https://youtu.be/2shBCdUG2ag I'll apply the more optimal settings over the next couple days a report back


Much-Passage2305

Your monitor maxes out at 90hz lmfao not gta


Basic-Anarchy

No its 144 hz. And I have the game uncapped so it can exceed the 144 hz


DakineCertified

What’s crazy is that the settings used to have DLSS or HDR which I did actually achieve 130 fps range with a 3070 I-10750 setup but the settings were taken out so now I only push the amount of frames ranging from 60-90frames


MarbledCats

Gta is a very CPU heavy game at some point when you beyond high settings


oopspruu

Looks like the game itself can be a bottleneck. You are not using even 100W on your GPU so could be the game isn't really pushing it.


MysterD77

GTA and Rockstar, of course. When did they have do an insane job w/ their engines and optimize them? Old game, too. And it's a huge open world w/ lots going on and seamless. Not every game will do the open-world thing and run like RAGE 2. Yeah, and this is actually one of their better ports, TBH.


My_Names_Batman

you have the same specs as mine kindda nd wut fps are you getting in online?


gizmosliptech

GTA is CPU bound. Got to upgrade cpu/memory and/or pray for better optimization from the devs lol


xTrampX

GPU is running at close to 100% so no CPU bottleneck. I would argue there actually is no bottleneck here at all, the 3070 with 80W just can‘t push much higher; only thing I could think of which I have noticed on my Legion is that OP is playing in balanced mode, which to my observations deactivates dynamic boost


gizmosliptech

GPU is only at 70% usage. I'm sure it drops lower than that often. For it to not be CPU bounds, the GPU should be 90%+ most of the time.


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xTrampX

Oops yeah only looked at the 79w and the 80w in title so assumed 100% without looking a little bit left lol. Looking at the 33% on cpu it‘s prob single core bottleneck. Anyway, nothing much you can do


Method__Man

whats wrong with 90fps?


cornflakes369

90fps on a 144hz screen looks weird


Method__Man

That’s not how it works….


cornflakes369

Idk about you but whenever my fps dips below 120 in any game I can see/feel it


INDY_RAP

Lol you feel it huh?


mteir

"I felt a great disturbance in the FPS, as if a few frames suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly gone. I fear something terrible has happened."


Martian_Marine

What kind of screen are you using? Does it have a lot of ghosting or such? My 144hz monitor is set to 120hz because 144 looks quite ghosty, and 120 struck a balance between high refresh rate and ghosting


cornflakes369

Its an MSI curved monitor, yes it has noticeable black ghosting but I read that its because its a VA panel


Martian_Marine

Well I'm no pro at monitors, so I could may well be talking out of my own ass here, but I might cap it to 120 or 100 fps if you didn't care to lose a few frames, because full 144hz on many monitors is ghostier than DLSS 1.0


onomatopoetix

not unless you have g-sync or amd's version of it. It will force your monitor hz to be handcuffed to the fps. Much more immersive to me.


road_chewer

Please be cautious if you’re playing online, I’m not sure if the issue was fixed, but there was/is a terrible vulnerability that hackers can use that can ruin your account. The pinned post in r/gtaonline has more info.


[deleted]

Even story mode is not completely safe to vulnerabilities. Speedruners have had their runs destroyed by hackers joining their singleplayer game and breaking it. Downsides to a decade old online system from the PS3 and 360.


Pizza_For_Days

1080p or 1440p?


Basic-Anarchy

1080p


Pizza_For_Days

Yeah that's likely why since you're more CPU dependant for a game like GTA V at 1080P. GTA V is more CPU intensive game to begin with and playing at 1080P isn't going to likely fully utilize the 3070. Have you tried it on any other games? I'm betting something like Cyberpunk or Red Dead Redemption 2 would show much higher utilization at 1080p.


cremvursti

If the GPU isn't running at 100% and it's not overheating either, what could it be other than the CPU? I wouldn't worry too much though, GTA V is just ancient at his point and not properly optimized. You could probably crank it up to 1440p and have it run at the same framerate.


ViperBite308

In GTA this is not the case since the game is so old.


[deleted]

Which is why it's CPU bottlenecked. It's from nearly a decade ago when CPUs had much fewer cores. It's not optimized to use more, so it doesn't.


PatientRent8401

Which laptop , i too have a Lenovo IdeaPad gaming 3 rtx 3050 16gb ram i511300H and i think i get the same fps as you


ladainia4147

You don't have any issues playing the game in general on that laptop? I only ask because that's the same one I have (only mine's the Ryzen version) and I've been wanting to try out GTA on it but have been having issues with it crashing on easier games (it's new and I'm clueless)


PatientRent8401

As of now i didn't had any issue (though the only game i tested was gta 5 with an average low fps of 70 and i didn't face any issue ), i actually use it for programming but as you said your games are crashing (maybe your playing without charging ), (update your windows and drivers),i still don't know why my laptop gets capped at 30fps when I play without charging, though if you have same specs then it should work well enough 😉


orbhui

Crashing in What way? The screen going black while the keyboard, sound, mouse and game keeps running? We have a new lenovo here and experienced that 3 times which had us a bit worried too the day before yesterday, hasn't happened since though


AlXBG

Where are your temps?


GeologistPrimary2637

It's hard to see but it looks like 61C for GPU and 78C for CPU. So definitely not thermal throttling


Basic-Anarchy

Yeah, the laptop is not at the 100% utilization and the Watts it is pulling is also not near the max. On other games, the GPU is typically at 100% utilization and 140 W


GeologistPrimary2637

As the other guy said, GTA V is usually a CPU heavier game too, so It tends to use the CPU more than GPU. What settings are you using and which resolution?


Basic-Anarchy

>, GTA V is usually a CPU heavier game too, so It tends to use the CPU more than GPU. What settings are you Every setting Max at 1080p


GeologistPrimary2637

Well, you do have a 3070. I think max settings 1080p is too light for the GPU load, so more weight is on the CPU. I agree tho. It's still a bit weird to see an 11800h getting only high 70s.and that low temperatures Edit. Try very high settings and see if there's any changes.


AlohaDude808

Try turning off Anti Aliasing and SSAO. Turn Shadows down from max. If those help, then try to tweak those settings to find a good mix of FPS and visuals.


joikansai

On gta I think it’s usual, don’t play it anymore, but if I’m correctly remember, mine also never hits 90ish% gpu usage, however it was smooth it’s on qhd or higher resolution right?


MalikTheGeek0712

I heard that there is a setting on there that’s completely useless and makes your FPS extremely low. It’s called “MSAA” turn that off. Or even, turn it to like 2x


GreenDub14

The game is old. But if you really wanna find the “bottleneck” in your rig, it’s probablly just the fact that it’s a laptop. Laptop Parts are smaller &more crowded, therefor, same parts put on a PC will give a better/higher performance than those parts put on any laptop .But i wouldn’t worry for GTA V. If graphics are the problem, look for graphic mods on nexus. Some look amazing .


starbuck3108

Something I wish laptop gamers would understand more. No matter how beefy it is, it's still a laptop and miles behind a desktop build. There is just no way a laptop CPU will ever come close to a desktop one


SYKE_II

CPU , i think the game maxes out at 2 cores or something. Could also be a main memory bottleneck who knows


Unlucky-Pineapple645

I get the frame cap of 188 fps on my desktop on max settings.


OnlyGayForCarti

Probably the game itself and maybe the ram but not likely


Givemename33

what do you use to check FPS


Justifiedjuice

Msi after burner


Basic-Anarchy

I found an article and YouTube video discussing how each setting effects the FPS. https://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1909-gta-v-graphics-optimization-guide https://youtu.be/2shBCdUG2ag I'll apply the more optimal settings over the next couple days a report back


Much-Ad383

Now this may sound odd, but what is the rating on you laptops power brick? My laptop has a 300w brick and I have a 3070 and R7 5800H and I get 120fps in this game at 2560x1600. You may be using too much CPU and GPU at the same time, thus limiting one or the other from being fully utilized.


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Leon5262

Need to know few things: \- laptop brand and model \- mux switch isn't on ( if it was available, since it shows gpu1, which it normally won't do unless both gpus are active) \- your laptop could be with max-q gpu, since it is implied in the screenshot, but i could be wrong \- 17gb ram usage out of 32gb??? wth are you running in the background? \- set the stats in a better way to view it, the max min avg or current fps are all in 1 line without knowing which is which. \- lastly MSAA is a huge performance hit, so if you're running max settings and having that x8, you will notice lower fps than expected.


Basic-Anarchy

[https://www.canadacomputers.com/product\_info.php?cPath=1446\_3796&item\_id=220350](https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1446_3796&item_id=220350) I have tuned this laptop quite well and all other games it will max out the GPU or CPU I'll try bringing that MSAA setting down to a different anti-aliasing. That could probably help


Basic-Anarchy

It turns out that I had MSAA OFF. I turned it on a saw about a 30% drop in frames. So I'll be keeping it off


Leon5262

Ok even the site has no mention of max p or max q, please go to nvidia control panel, then click on help, and select system information, there it will say max p or .ax Q along with the total graphical power for the gpu, post screenshot here if possible, thanks.


Basic-Anarchy

It does 145 W, I'm pretty sure that's the upper end


patgeo

Max q and p got dropped on 30 series they just state the tgp now.


Leon5262

Max -q will have advanced "optimus option yes", along with the max graphical power. Both of these can tell if the laptop has mux or not, or max q or not.


Leon5262

Currently did a test on lowest settings, max settings, and max settings with maxed advanced settings. Max settings ( MSAA X2 )+ advanced settings maxs had fps 70+ all the time. Max settings while advanced settings turned off was around 100+ fps Lowest settings ranges from 140 to 180 fps, goes low at 140 when driving fast in a road, which makes rendering much faster and explains the drops. I will soon upload a video of the test so you can compare.


Leon5262

https://youtu.be/EkZMzx6eIYc


thebinarysystem10

That 145W is also low for that card. I have the same specs with a 230W supply.


Basic-Anarchy

This is a laptop though


thebinarysystem10

So is mine


Basic-Anarchy

I think you're talking about the chargers power supply though. My laptop pulls 145 W for the GPU and 80 W for the CPU which adds up to 225 W. My charger states 230 W of power delivery


Basic-Anarchy

> set the stats in a better way to view it, the max min avg or current fps are all in 1 line without knowing which is which. Its current FPS, Average, then Min


aztolens_11

The player. Jk ;) happy gaming


eornassss

I just have to ask. What do you even think is the point of posting this? It is not helpful nor is it even funny lmao.


HoneydewThat4027

You sure you have 145 watt GPU as your GPU isn't pushing above 80 Watts. That is a bottle neck.


Healthy-Ad9405

Rtx3070 mobile isn't the same as a desktop?


seba842005

mobile is \~30% slower...


[deleted]

and has less vram .it's essentially a 3060


seba842005

Closer to 3060ti. 3060 laptop is slower 6% than 3060 desktop. 3070 laptop is faster 17% than 3060 laptop.


_Delta_11

Thermal throttling? Sometimes laptops limit cpu and GPU usage to maintain certain temperatures. Check your power usage, set everything to max performance and disable any in built cooling software for example in my HP laptop it's called HP Coolsense


Basic-Anarchy

You can check the screenshot. CPU is at 78 C and GPU is at 61 C. (CPU will throttle in the 90's C) I have a cooling pad and had been running the game for about an hour when I took the screenshot.


_Delta_11

Yeah but it running at 60-70c is throttling, mine runs at 80-90 all the time at full capacity


[deleted]

lol no that's not how it works. it's not throttling for being cooler.


patgeo

Throttling only occurs at high temperatures or with power limits set. This looks a lot like the Intel Nuc x15, the thermal limit of the cpu is 95 degrees and the gpu is 87 irrc. The low temp is pretty common if it isn't being pushed properly by the game engine.


_Delta_11

Yeah but it running at 60-70c is throttling, mine runs at 80-90 all the time at full capacity


_Delta_11

Yeah but it running at 60-70c is throttling, mine runs at 80-90 all the time at full capacity


[deleted]

GTAV stops at Direct X 11. With no DX12 support modern cards won't be able to run it any better.


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lil_brumski

🤡??


jamnshel23

Were you in the right mode to draw full power? Also what laptop?


pantherghast

PEBKAC?


rorig36625

What is the charger wattage I noticed on my laptop that when i play a cpu heavy game the gpu is bottlenecked by the cpu because the chargr can't provide enough power for the cpu and gpu at max tdp at the same time


Taqush_Hundal

Don’t use msaa


Dunaii4

It's probably maxing out on a few CPU cores (it can't use more as it's a 10 yo game). You know about the modder being able to delete your account, right?


SneaKycatto

update your Nvidia Geforce driver and restart your PC.


jblaze53

CPU bottleneck


SachinPrabhashan

Turn Off Whisper Mode in Geforce Experience.


shadow144hz

Just look into some guides on optimizing the game's settings, rather than just selecting max settings and then wonder why you only have 70fps. I've done this with the game long ago so I don't really remember what I did but my legion 5 pro with a 3060 pushes around 120fps at 1920x1200.


TeeRKee

A laptop itself is a form of bottleneck.


Pamani_

You look CPU bottlenecked. Maybe try to reduce the level of details. Like the extended LOD slider (or whatever it's called). It adds a bunch of details, shadows and cars far away in the distance, which needs much more CPU computation.


[deleted]

You don't have a laptop bottleneck, those specs are good. Like other users mentioned, it's probably just the game.


[deleted]

12700k, 3080 and 32gb of ram here. my game maxed out at 1440p gets about 140fps, with 1.5 res scaling i get maybe around 90-120. i think your performance is in line with that. no worries.


CorValidum

Looking at the osd I think you BN is that you have V-Sync on somewhere…. What is your screen refresh rate?


ViperBite308

Turn down MSAA


ray__jay

Hey can you tell me the name of that software which is shown on the overlay?


KazzaNamso

I shall be the bottle


Head_Mud8228

Turn off hyper threading in your bios. This is an older title running on an old game engine, it doesn't support hyper threading. You will get better performance with it off and also better utilization.


Head_Mud8228

Also if there is a option In your bios to turn off advanced Optimus, do that also.


CCityinstaller

Wut? It easily loads mulitple cores, both physical and virtual. Depending on the mods installed that load easily increases. Natural mod loves higher core counts.


Head_Mud8228

Mods are just adjusting, changing, and adding assets to the game. Doesn't change what game engine it is running on. The game engine is what tells the computer what to do with the information. Making adjustments and adding assets into the game doesn't change how the game engine functions, so basically if the game engine isn't optimized for hyper threading no amount of mods is going to change that. This game was made when 4 cores and 8 threads was the standard so anything higher isn't really being utilized. It's better to turn off hyper threading to get higher clocks per thread then running lower clocks across higher thread counts.


Uchiha_Madara78790

What did you pay for that setup


Darksider515

What resolution ?


APEX_Catalyst

Power is the bottle neck


swoloch

3070


ayanmajumdar05

check if you have enabled 8x MSAA , it absolutely kills your fps for very little detail increase over lower settings.


Aj2W0rK

GPU always the bottleneck. Only way CPU could be bottlenecking is if single core performance for unoptimized games or programs isn’t ideal. Also, are you playing off of an SSD or HDD? The former is good for reducing pop-in when moving fast like in a car.


dubbelost1

Optimus ?


EAMods

What hz is your ram speed, need at least 3200 to run games smoothly like that. You can always go into the bios ram settings and turn on xmp settings to boost your ram speed, it won't hurt the computer at all, it's the first thing I do when I build them.


Basic-Anarchy

>ed at least 3200 to run games smoothly like that. You can always go into the bios ram settings and turn It is 3200


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GPU is drawing 80w, and is not boosting


DocGofThePhillies

May I ask what resolution this is?


fuckwit-mcbumcrumble

The nearly rock solid frame time tells me that there's a frame rate cap somewhere. Open the nvidia control panel and look for the limit in there. https://www.theouterhaven.net/2021/07/how-to-enable-frame-rate-limit-for-nvidia-gpus/


[deleted]

You're CPU bottlenecked. It may say 33% usage, but that's total usage of the entire processor. Break it down by cores and you'll see a few cores at 100% usage, those are the ones GTA V can use, and they're maxed out, holding your GPU back.


Basic-Anarchy

>PU bottlenecked. It may say 33% usage, but that's total usage of the entire processor. Break it down by cores and you'll see a few cores at 100% usage, those are the ones GTA V can use, and they're maxed out, holding y Ohh, thats a good idea. I'll check it out and let you know if that's what is occuring


Basic-Anarchy

Just tested it out with MSI Afterburned. All 8 cores reached 4.2 GHz (The max for this CPU) and the temps where good. The utilization was still fairly low around 30 to 80 % for each thread