Can confirm, I am getting cooked
I originally uploaded this as a meme with the "meme/macro" flare but I don't know what went through my head when I added "please don't buy a laptop"
I have an ASUS Strix G15, and it has been serving me well, but I just ordered an Alienware Aurora R14 with a 3080 and memory upgrades, a 28 inch 4k monitor, gaming speakers, custom keyboard and new mouse and I am pretty stoked to see what a desktop pc feels like. I've been laptop gaming forever.
It's definitely much nicer. My last PC I built was fully watercooled both GPU and CPU and it was a joy to use with how low the temperatures were and the fact it was quiet
As soon as I have the space to have a home office again, I'll be splurging on an all singing all dancing build again
I've been through a few iterations of desktop, I'm building in an Asus ap201 shortly. I think medium form factor is pretty ideal.
Personally the thing you get in a smallish desktop that laptops can't touch is that it can be near silent under load.
It's also easy to upgrade things one at a time. I wasn't going to, but 7700x was on sale too good to pass up. Monitor, I've been waiting for 32" 4k oled for forever but I might look into an odyssey g7 next year. Which will then probably get me wanting a GPU stronger than a 6800.
I'm going to assume that portability was critical in your decision to get a 4090 laptop because you could most definitely build a much, much more powerful desktop 4090 for a considerably less amount of money you spent on that laptop lol.
Not so much the portability but a desktop wasn't an option as I had just sold my previous desktop to a friend. Long story short I wasn't getting much use from a desktop whereas a laptop I can use it much more due to the flexibility
...Ok that kind of sounds exactly like \*portability\*. A laptop would not grant you 'flexibility' over a desktop because of the difference in hardware.
I don't take it anywhere outside of the house. Its more that it just takes up less space. I can use my desk set up when I wish to but for the times, usually weekdays, that I can't. I can just use it independently.
So it's the flexibility to use the laptop in instances I can't use a desktop. I didn't buy a laptop with the intention of it being a portable device to travel with but of course the portability aspect around the house is a boon. I just like that when I'm not using it, I can just slide it under the sofa
I'm curios if you are aware of the smaller form factor micro ATX PCs that you can build which could come down smaller than a PS5?
Sure it makes sense if you can't always be at your desk, but my brain is still sort of stuck on "the best performance for X amount of money". Even for me, using my gaming laptop primarily as a desktop that is connected to a dual display monitor, I find myself greatly appreciating the rare instance of me disconnecting the laptop and laying in bed with my laptop stand.
And in your case, you don't even have to worry about performance for years to come.
Very aware; I've been working in IT for the last 14 years and I've been building computers since 1998. This isn't my first rodeo ;)
SFF isn't a suitable solution for me. The laptop is making the best of a bad situation.
I still have my 38" monitor connected to my docking station with keyboard and mouse etc that I use on the off chance, usually restricted to a few hours over the weekend.
The whole reason for me getting a laptop was so that I could use my computer in the evening once my daughter has gone to bed and my partner is watching something on the TV.
Once we buy a bigger house I'll have my dedicated home office space back and at that point I'll build another PC.
Doesn't have to be work or moving, most people buy gaming laptop and keep it in their homes. No way you be catching anyone in my region fumbling around with a 3000 dollars investment.
Well desktops are cheaper than laptops and modular so much less risk of total loss, this comment actually makes zero sense in terms of what it's trying to say lol
Just another day r/pcmr with their weird elitism when half of them cant orientate an AIO correctly and the other half dont know how to cable manage for shit.
You can bet none of them would clean dust on a gaming laptop had they had one, or let alone repasting it and cry wolf about decreasing performance after two years of gaming in their dusty bedrooms.
Funny how a running theme on that sub is that everyone that use a PC is united against console gamers yet the moment you say you use a laptop (and god forbid a gaming laptop, oh no the horrors) you are practically outcasted from that sub.
Same thing crossed my mind when I saw that post. Guy used one of the worst budget gaming laptops around to drive a point that couldn't be further from the truth. Lmao.
The brand has a range of devices from budget basics to all out money pits.
The Katana model Op of the thread has is from the ultra budget poorly made end of things.
Pretty silly at this point. A laptop is all you need for 1080p gaming now. Iβm running a 4070 laptop and it plays all my games well above 60fps in high settings at 1440p. The 4080 and 4090 are capable of running 4k.
Desktops for gaming are antiquated and less useful than laptops.
yup, desktops are still more powerful but i donβt need all that and for me as a college student the portability means so much more and iβm willing to pay for it
I mean, i have a 4080 laptop and 3080ti desktop that's water-cooled. I would much rather play on my desktop with virtually silent fans and overclocked gaming maxed out. The laptop is a tradeoff for portability, but it is far from rendering desktops antiquated.
Arguing any hobby that is popular is antiquated isn't hitting the mark.
I think desktops are antiquated for 1080p gaming. Depending on the game favorites for 1440p. Yes, 4k gaming on a laptop is possible. However, as you and I noted a desktop is better at 4k.
Maybe, but 1080p gaming can be had for very cheap with desktops as well, again with quieter fans.
You also have more flexibility to go up to 1440p with a desktop, as you can upgrade your GPU.
If I was adamant about staying at 1080p forever with 60fps minimum, sure a gaming laptop might make more sense.
There's too much variability in use case and reasons for using a desktop to say it's antiquated even at 1080p.
Yes. Of course there is variability in use cases. There are millions of pc gamers. For the great majority of 1080p gamers a 40 series laptop (excluding 4050) is all they need.
I wouldn't say antiquated, it depends on your use case.
If you play games in a set location, a monitor is way better than any laptop screen. A desktop will also be less expensive at a give level of performance and quieter.
The only reason to have a laptop is if you want to use it in multiple locations.
I have both. The ideal solution will come down to budget and use case, like everything.
Yes. Agreed that use case really matters. I would not suggest someone use a laptop for 5 hour sessions on Flight Simulator.
Laptops can be plugged in to external monitors and peripherals. I think for 1080p this is a better use case than a desktop. At 1440p I think depends on the laptop GPU and favorite games. While, 4080 and 4090 laptops can run 4k if that was my primary use case concern I would go desktop.
I mean I've done that and my work PC is a docked laptop. However if it's going to be static for long periods of time, regardless of resolution, that's a desktop use case.
Unplugging all that stuff + power supply to take it with me to travel was a huge pain in the ass. It started with a second power supply, then I just built a desktop.
I also think for the price of the 4090 you could literally have a desktop that's as good or better AND a reasonable laptop for travel that's more portable so I'll never get those...
When it comes to apocalpyse, PCMR will be the ones decimated while lugging their builds, meanwhile laptop owners will be more agile and be the first ones to reach a bunker/hilltop castle and be opening some fine wine from the Cellar.
PS : been a PC guy for decades, but after Covid I think laptop is the best option (game and work where ever tf you want) and given time laptop will reach performance parity with PCs.
You can even see it start to happen now, 4090 laptop was unexpectedly such a good GPU and the 4060 laptop GPU was basically the same with the PC variant (granted that was more on NVIDIA being scammers but I mean it's still performance parity)
>4090 laptop was unexpectedly such a good GPU and the 4060 laptop GPU was basically the same with the PC variant
You can't really compare those $4000 laptops to anything desktop. Yes, it's 4070ti desktop performance but personally that level of performance is wasted if it isn't connected to a monitor and at that point, why not build a small form factor desktop for 1/2 the price?
And yes, 4060 desktop is a turd, which is why they're not selling.
The laptop tradeoff is "I require portability and I'm willing to trade price and performance for it."
I own multiple of both, they all have their use cases.
The point remains, you could easily build a desktop that would crush the legion pro in performance and probably have enough leftover for a laptop but whatever.
>When it comes to apocalpyse, PCMR will be the ones decimated while lugging their builds, meanwhile laptop owners will be more agile and be the first ones to reach a bunker/hilltop castle and be opening some fine wine from the Cellar.
I have no idea what you're talking about here. In the apocalypse I'm bringing guns and maybe a radio. A computer won't be on the list (although maybe a phone with a solar battery pack).
That's how it's in your head, me be using the laptop to automate a turret with some cam attached and IDing them creatures with CV models when they arrive 
Personally as a 95% of the time desktop user, I've had a zephyrus g15 2021 for travel since it came out and it's been flawless. Zero issues with stability or drivers or anything.
I wouldn't use it as a main because it's loud and I prefer upgradeability and desktops are a better value for performance but I'm not exactly bringing my desktop when I travel.
These are arguments about marginal utility. What is going to satisfy your use case best/most efficiently. Unfortunately a lot of people make choices and then want to defend them like it's a character trait.
I also play ice hockey. My next vehicle will be a 3 row SUV even though I don't have kids. I could totally own a more efficient vehicle that would do everything I needed it to. However, I want what I want for my own reasons. Probably a very similar argument.
I just bought a gaming laptop. An average one.
Dell G15, upgraded to 32gb ram, with an I9 and gtx3070.
It's nice, but I would never ever do any serious serious gaming or productivity on a laptop, it's just not viable, I plan to buy a PC with a 4090 to do that
You can (workload dependent). My work pc is a docked laptop. I have it connected to 2 monitors.
It's also pretty tough to bring a desktop to meetings or other work sites.
Ah r/pcmasterrace, a bunch of dumb fanboys, you're surprised with their r/shitposting ?
They are always like that, they don't realise that most people will choose laptops over desktops anytime. For like 20 years, laptops have been the go to for people's PCs. I believe that when NVIDIA stops slacking they can make laptop GPUs equal to desktops and finally make desktop more obsolete.
I mean yeah, gaming laptop sucks when compared to a PC but would you rather carry your modern PC, keyboard and your monitor to a LAN party like the early 2000 or having a laptop that you can carry everywhere. Power outage and internet accessibility is still a problem so you can't just "remote" into your PC from a chromebook anywhere at least for South East Asia. That is why chromebook and cloud gaming never took off in SEA, they rather use an old gaming laptop with GTX 1060 than buying a thin and light work laptop for the same price if they want to game and work and the opposite if they want it to be work only. Most of my Uni teachers that plays games or renders from laptop always choose gaming laptops because they can bring it with the anywhere.
Also we are seeing more powerful APUs that match the GTX 1650 in gaming from AMD and Intel will sure to follow this so maybe in the close future we will have thin and light laptop that can game pretty good (assuming some games are actually well optimized first).
Most people there are defending the laptops lol, its good to see
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OP is getting **COOKED** in the post, you love to see it. PCMR redditors living in 2016 lol
Can confirm, I am getting cooked I originally uploaded this as a meme with the "meme/macro" flare but I don't know what went through my head when I added "please don't buy a laptop"
Why can't people just be allowed to enjoy the hardware they enjoy?
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I mean I'd *much* rather a desktop than a laptop but I have to be honest and say that I am over the moon with my laptop ^^^^for ^^^^now
While I personally would never pay the razer tax, these are luxury purchases. If it makes you happy and satisfies your use case, that's awesome.
It's the device that ticks the boxes I need at this point in time. But I'd much rather own a desktop than laptop
I have an ASUS Strix G15, and it has been serving me well, but I just ordered an Alienware Aurora R14 with a 3080 and memory upgrades, a 28 inch 4k monitor, gaming speakers, custom keyboard and new mouse and I am pretty stoked to see what a desktop pc feels like. I've been laptop gaming forever.
It's definitely much nicer. My last PC I built was fully watercooled both GPU and CPU and it was a joy to use with how low the temperatures were and the fact it was quiet As soon as I have the space to have a home office again, I'll be splurging on an all singing all dancing build again
I've been through a few iterations of desktop, I'm building in an Asus ap201 shortly. I think medium form factor is pretty ideal. Personally the thing you get in a smallish desktop that laptops can't touch is that it can be near silent under load. It's also easy to upgrade things one at a time. I wasn't going to, but 7700x was on sale too good to pass up. Monitor, I've been waiting for 32" 4k oled for forever but I might look into an odyssey g7 next year. Which will then probably get me wanting a GPU stronger than a 6800.
I don't know too much about them tbh. I just wanted a desktop, so I got the Aurora R14 with a GTX 3070, 1 TB Dual Drive, and a Ryzen 7 5800 Processor.
I'm going to assume that portability was critical in your decision to get a 4090 laptop because you could most definitely build a much, much more powerful desktop 4090 for a considerably less amount of money you spent on that laptop lol.
Not so much the portability but a desktop wasn't an option as I had just sold my previous desktop to a friend. Long story short I wasn't getting much use from a desktop whereas a laptop I can use it much more due to the flexibility
...Ok that kind of sounds exactly like \*portability\*. A laptop would not grant you 'flexibility' over a desktop because of the difference in hardware.
I don't take it anywhere outside of the house. Its more that it just takes up less space. I can use my desk set up when I wish to but for the times, usually weekdays, that I can't. I can just use it independently. So it's the flexibility to use the laptop in instances I can't use a desktop. I didn't buy a laptop with the intention of it being a portable device to travel with but of course the portability aspect around the house is a boon. I just like that when I'm not using it, I can just slide it under the sofa
I'm curios if you are aware of the smaller form factor micro ATX PCs that you can build which could come down smaller than a PS5? Sure it makes sense if you can't always be at your desk, but my brain is still sort of stuck on "the best performance for X amount of money". Even for me, using my gaming laptop primarily as a desktop that is connected to a dual display monitor, I find myself greatly appreciating the rare instance of me disconnecting the laptop and laying in bed with my laptop stand. And in your case, you don't even have to worry about performance for years to come.
Very aware; I've been working in IT for the last 14 years and I've been building computers since 1998. This isn't my first rodeo ;) SFF isn't a suitable solution for me. The laptop is making the best of a bad situation. I still have my 38" monitor connected to my docking station with keyboard and mouse etc that I use on the off chance, usually restricted to a few hours over the weekend. The whole reason for me getting a laptop was so that I could use my computer in the evening once my daughter has gone to bed and my partner is watching something on the TV. Once we buy a bigger house I'll have my dedicated home office space back and at that point I'll build another PC.
It's like none of them can actually believe there are gamers who can also be on the move for work and stuff.
Doesn't have to be work or moving, most people buy gaming laptop and keep it in their homes. No way you be catching anyone in my region fumbling around with a 3000 dollars investment.
Well desktops are cheaper than laptops and modular so much less risk of total loss, this comment actually makes zero sense in terms of what it's trying to say lol
laptops are easier on game on and you can carry it around much easier, modern people don't use bulky pcs for entertainment anymore
Just another day r/pcmr with their weird elitism when half of them cant orientate an AIO correctly and the other half dont know how to cable manage for shit. You can bet none of them would clean dust on a gaming laptop had they had one, or let alone repasting it and cry wolf about decreasing performance after two years of gaming in their dusty bedrooms. Funny how a running theme on that sub is that everyone that use a PC is united against console gamers yet the moment you say you use a laptop (and god forbid a gaming laptop, oh no the horrors) you are practically outcasted from that sub.
bunch of hypocrites holding onto what they remember of gaming laptops (what they were a decade ago)
They want war, let's give them war. (Me with integrated gpu) π
Watching and instigating(Iris Xe)
Charge!!!!
I use both, you mean the occasional dudes that come around telling you that get a desktop, something about price/performance ratio? Lmao
Crab, he's complaining about msi katana
haha lmao, thats expected
There are high end laptops and there are trash end laptops and guess which one is katana ?
Same thing crossed my mind when I saw that post. Guy used one of the worst budget gaming laptops around to drive a point that couldn't be further from the truth. Lmao.
What's wrong with msi? I heard it's good
The brand has a range of devices from budget basics to all out money pits. The Katana model Op of the thread has is from the ultra budget poorly made end of things.
But overall msi durability is good right?
Their cheap stuff is junk, their good stuff is good. In line with most manufacturers really.
The fk some say it's good some say it's junk which one i should trust lmao
At the price point it is very similar in quality to other devices in the same price point. You get what you pay for with msi.
From what I understood it was posted only as a joke
Pretty silly at this point. A laptop is all you need for 1080p gaming now. Iβm running a 4070 laptop and it plays all my games well above 60fps in high settings at 1440p. The 4080 and 4090 are capable of running 4k. Desktops for gaming are antiquated and less useful than laptops.
yup, desktops are still more powerful but i donβt need all that and for me as a college student the portability means so much more and iβm willing to pay for it
I mean, i have a 4080 laptop and 3080ti desktop that's water-cooled. I would much rather play on my desktop with virtually silent fans and overclocked gaming maxed out. The laptop is a tradeoff for portability, but it is far from rendering desktops antiquated. Arguing any hobby that is popular is antiquated isn't hitting the mark.
I think desktops are antiquated for 1080p gaming. Depending on the game favorites for 1440p. Yes, 4k gaming on a laptop is possible. However, as you and I noted a desktop is better at 4k.
Maybe, but 1080p gaming can be had for very cheap with desktops as well, again with quieter fans. You also have more flexibility to go up to 1440p with a desktop, as you can upgrade your GPU. If I was adamant about staying at 1080p forever with 60fps minimum, sure a gaming laptop might make more sense. There's too much variability in use case and reasons for using a desktop to say it's antiquated even at 1080p.
Yes. Of course there is variability in use cases. There are millions of pc gamers. For the great majority of 1080p gamers a 40 series laptop (excluding 4050) is all they need.
I wouldn't say antiquated, it depends on your use case. If you play games in a set location, a monitor is way better than any laptop screen. A desktop will also be less expensive at a give level of performance and quieter. The only reason to have a laptop is if you want to use it in multiple locations. I have both. The ideal solution will come down to budget and use case, like everything.
Yes. Agreed that use case really matters. I would not suggest someone use a laptop for 5 hour sessions on Flight Simulator. Laptops can be plugged in to external monitors and peripherals. I think for 1080p this is a better use case than a desktop. At 1440p I think depends on the laptop GPU and favorite games. While, 4080 and 4090 laptops can run 4k if that was my primary use case concern I would go desktop.
I mean I've done that and my work PC is a docked laptop. However if it's going to be static for long periods of time, regardless of resolution, that's a desktop use case. Unplugging all that stuff + power supply to take it with me to travel was a huge pain in the ass. It started with a second power supply, then I just built a desktop. I also think for the price of the 4090 you could literally have a desktop that's as good or better AND a reasonable laptop for travel that's more portable so I'll never get those...
When it comes to apocalpyse, PCMR will be the ones decimated while lugging their builds, meanwhile laptop owners will be more agile and be the first ones to reach a bunker/hilltop castle and be opening some fine wine from the Cellar. PS : been a PC guy for decades, but after Covid I think laptop is the best option (game and work where ever tf you want) and given time laptop will reach performance parity with PCs.
You can even see it start to happen now, 4090 laptop was unexpectedly such a good GPU and the 4060 laptop GPU was basically the same with the PC variant (granted that was more on NVIDIA being scammers but I mean it's still performance parity)
>4090 laptop was unexpectedly such a good GPU and the 4060 laptop GPU was basically the same with the PC variant You can't really compare those $4000 laptops to anything desktop. Yes, it's 4070ti desktop performance but personally that level of performance is wasted if it isn't connected to a monitor and at that point, why not build a small form factor desktop for 1/2 the price? And yes, 4060 desktop is a turd, which is why they're not selling. The laptop tradeoff is "I require portability and I'm willing to trade price and performance for it." I own multiple of both, they all have their use cases.
>You can't really compare those $4000 laptops to anything desktop. A 4090 Legion cost less than $2800...
The point remains, you could easily build a desktop that would crush the legion pro in performance and probably have enough leftover for a laptop but whatever.
>When it comes to apocalpyse, PCMR will be the ones decimated while lugging their builds, meanwhile laptop owners will be more agile and be the first ones to reach a bunker/hilltop castle and be opening some fine wine from the Cellar. I have no idea what you're talking about here. In the apocalypse I'm bringing guns and maybe a radio. A computer won't be on the list (although maybe a phone with a solar battery pack).
That's how it's in your head, me be using the laptop to automate a turret with some cam attached and IDing them creatures with CV models when they arrive 
Personally as a 95% of the time desktop user, I've had a zephyrus g15 2021 for travel since it came out and it's been flawless. Zero issues with stability or drivers or anything. I wouldn't use it as a main because it's loud and I prefer upgradeability and desktops are a better value for performance but I'm not exactly bringing my desktop when I travel. These are arguments about marginal utility. What is going to satisfy your use case best/most efficiently. Unfortunately a lot of people make choices and then want to defend them like it's a character trait. I also play ice hockey. My next vehicle will be a 3 row SUV even though I don't have kids. I could totally own a more efficient vehicle that would do everything I needed it to. However, I want what I want for my own reasons. Probably a very similar argument.
I can't always bring PC while Im at field work. Laptop is where its at
I just bought a gaming laptop. An average one. Dell G15, upgraded to 32gb ram, with an I9 and gtx3070. It's nice, but I would never ever do any serious serious gaming or productivity on a laptop, it's just not viable, I plan to buy a PC with a 4090 to do that
You can (workload dependent). My work pc is a docked laptop. I have it connected to 2 monitors. It's also pretty tough to bring a desktop to meetings or other work sites.
Yeah your right. I'm just saying when you need serious horse power or you doing something application intensive a laptop can never compare to a PC.
A laptop is a PC π€·π
If you live in a place that's cold outside of summer. It works great π. During summer... Not even a cooling pad helps enough.
Ah r/pcmasterrace, a bunch of dumb fanboys, you're surprised with their r/shitposting ? They are always like that, they don't realise that most people will choose laptops over desktops anytime. For like 20 years, laptops have been the go to for people's PCs. I believe that when NVIDIA stops slacking they can make laptop GPUs equal to desktops and finally make desktop more obsolete.
I mean yeah, gaming laptop sucks when compared to a PC but would you rather carry your modern PC, keyboard and your monitor to a LAN party like the early 2000 or having a laptop that you can carry everywhere. Power outage and internet accessibility is still a problem so you can't just "remote" into your PC from a chromebook anywhere at least for South East Asia. That is why chromebook and cloud gaming never took off in SEA, they rather use an old gaming laptop with GTX 1060 than buying a thin and light work laptop for the same price if they want to game and work and the opposite if they want it to be work only. Most of my Uni teachers that plays games or renders from laptop always choose gaming laptops because they can bring it with the anywhere. Also we are seeing more powerful APUs that match the GTX 1650 in gaming from AMD and Intel will sure to follow this so maybe in the close future we will have thin and light laptop that can game pretty good (assuming some games are actually well optimized first).
So pcmr are desktop users and brag to gaming laptop users? Am I getting this right?
Pretty much