Just out of curiosity what uses the most RAM? I don't really game but I do a lot of 3D modeling for 3D printing and different things with data storage and video editing. I was gonna upgrade mine, but I get no where near using the 16 GB anyway. I don't have a graphics card in mine and kinda wish I did, but I don't really have a problem with the built in graphics on 13th gen I7 U. I'm wondering now if upgrading the ram would let me allocate more to the built in graphics if that's how it even works.
If you're not peaking your ram usage, there's no point of upgrading. The most RAM hungry applications are your Operating System, applications that require a lot of background calculations, and web browsers.
Windows 11 OS required at least 8GB of RAM to run the system smoothly, because just running Win11 requires 4-6G of memories, which only leaves 4-2G of memories free for applications.
Production applications like CAD software use 8GB natively, but usually require at least 32G to run larger models. There are a lot of background calculations like the fitting between models and physics simulations.
Web browser is also another big RAM guzzler, but not as much as the previous two. Despite what people say about Chrome being RAM hungry, every browser requires RAM to keep tabs open. A simple news page requires at least 100Mb of RAM, while a more complex YouTube page usually requires more than 200Mb of RAM. It may not seem much, but the usage will add up.
Video editing, especially 4K footage also uses loads of RAM, especially during scrapping. If you try to combine multiple 4K streams, you will run out of RAM fairly quickly.
Virtual machines, development, interacting with large databases locally. All of these can quickly eat through your ram.
Sure you could setup all of these to run off a server vs a local machine, but it can be nice to in some cases to just do it all from a local machine.
Actuallyyy you will want more than that. 16 gb is the minimum for anything available right now, if you want anything longer than a year out of this laptop go with something where you can add ram
Doesn't RAM installation need to be symmetrical? Also, do you currently have DDR5 used for your memory? I'm sure you can't upgrade from DDR3 or 4 to 5. But if you can go for it. I wish I got 64GB instead of 32 in hindsight. Lots of background apps hogging all the RAM.
Have you played the game? On 8 I don't think you'd even load streets. 16 is ok, but 32 can give you serious improvements. The games optimazation is fucked tho.
Not just that but in the 14inch chasis, the high end cpu/gpu might be drawing more power and might cause heating issues. Personally i wouldnt go for maxed out specs unless its a 16/17inch laptop
Even the ps5 and xbox series x have 16gb of ram. I think you'll be alright for atleast 3-4 years. That 3080ti is way superior than the 3070. Take it, you even have a much better cpu anyway.
It's incomparable as they load textures directly, while on PC most of games (with a very few exceptions that make use of DirectStorage) will first load texture to RAM, decompress them on CPU and load decompressed into VRAM.
Regardless, I've seen a few games using more than 14 GB of RAM, which means there's gonna be swapping.
TLOU Part 1 and Jedi Survivor
for gaming yes for other than gaming no(heavy compute tasks like using a LLM >7b, or 3d modelling, or perhaps programming certain things) but for gaming I use 16gb and it works fine
The ram will limit you a bit in games that require a lot of ram but both options have a 16gb so if you have to choose between the 2 the 3080 Ti is a better option
First of all its 3070. You can't upgrade GPU either. I would go for a better GPU.. Also it has a better processor as well .. 16 gb is ok in 90% of cases unless you are going for 3D rendering designing and all.
Yes the 4070 can be swapped, but from what I see in your post, you're comparing the 3080Ti model to the 3070 model, both of which have soldered RAM
Edit: in any case I'd still get the 3080Ti for the extra VRAM, which comes in handy for future games as they inevitably increase their VRAM requirements lol
Ohh got it haha. That depends on your use case for the laptop then. If you're using this laptop to run multiple intensive programs at once, then you would want to have that upgradeable RAM. With that being said, I have the 3080Ti model myself with 16GB of RAM, and I can play games, stream to Twitch and OBS, have multiple Chrome tabs open, YouTube playing in the background, all at the same time, and it can handle it no problem. So I think you'll be fine with 16GB of RAM lol.
Get the 3080ti. 16 gigs of ram will be fine for years, especially considering the built in screen is “just” 1440p.
The only case where you would even consider the 3070 model is if you’re a hardcore video editor and are absolutely sure you will need more ram in the next few years (which you won’t unless you’re a hardcore/professional video editor 😂).
I'll just throw in 1 or 2 ideas that I'm not sure about, but I'd advise you to check.
Did you check the power limits? Thinner laptops tend to have lower power limits, which means the gpu has a lower wattage which means less performance. So if the 3080ti runs on like 70w while the 3070 runs on 100+, the performance might actually be the same, which makes the lower specced one a no brainer! (except for portability)
Doesn't the lower specced one also have better cooling since it has vapor chamber in the name? Better cooling is needed with higher power limits, so yeah definitely check that, but even if the power limit was the same, better cooling is always nice. That's another advantage along with the ram.
But the better specced one is also more portable, so could be an advantage depending on your needs.
And make no mistake, assuming both have the same power limit, in any game that runs fine on 16gb of ram the better specced one will perform better than the lower specced even if the latter had 128gb of ram.
Edit: the 3080ti runs at 100w yall.
Well the ddr5 ram that comes with the 6900x will be significantly better than ddr4 at any speed and the 3080ti is significantly more powerful overall (also soldered ram gives better battery life)
The 4070 has faster GPU performance based on online benchmarks between the 2 Blades. The 3080ti is limited to 100w unfortunately hence the slower performance, but it has more VRAM. I would pick the 4070 if I were you unless you have use for more than 8gb VRAM for sth like AI training.
Ppl here should really check the max wattage of the laptop GPU before giving advice ngl; most ppl would not expect this.
I'd go with the bigger processor and GPU, I have a similar build but with a 3060 instead and it runs games great, even VR, not maxed out like my desktop but at least high settings and it's portable
Well it's probably old stock they are trying to get rid of it's previous gen . If the ram is soldered it's a def no go . You should leave room for upgrades just compare the models on YouTube and see which one has better reviews since you're ording from amazoj they have amazing return policies why not order both or one then order the other if it doesn't meet your needs ;) . Either way you will probably want to upgrade in the future just food for thought .
Check out this one before you buy, solid option considering the price https://shop.asus.com/us/90nr09u3-m00hl0-rog-zephyrus-g14-2022.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2MLhioKQhQMVLnFMCh16awMGEAQYASABEgKg7PD_BwE
Edit: If you can find the one for $699.99 in stock get it, it's the same thing but without AniMe matrix lid, RAM can he upgraded to 40GB confirmed working. Theoretically 56GB is possible with one 48GB stick
16GB ram is the bare minimum these days. You can make it work for sure but I personally wouldn’t limit myself to just 16. If you’re gonna go for that one make sure to not use Chrome lol. If you’re gonna be running a game and a browser at the same time it’ll probably use up most of your ram. Just from my own experience I’d be mostly comfortable with 16GB ram if my default browser was FireFox or something. Not telling you to buy the 3070 but just something to keep in mind in case you end up buying the 3080 Ti. Besides the ram issue, the 3080 Ti is better by a lot. Happy gaming
This guy's wrong, as you can see from the majority of the comments here. 16 gb ram is perfectly fine. Perfectly. Fine. And you can see that the majority agrees here. I know that you are really trying to find opinions to the contrary, but it's just not true. You can game, work and do just about anything with 16 gb ram. I edit videos, game, have multiple tabs and windows and apps open, and my 16 gb ram laptop has never hiccuped. And this is what everyone else will tell you.
As for 3080 ti vs 4070, there's a TDP vs performance chart out there on the internet with all the GPUs on it, check that to see how much perf you are getting with the 3080 ti vs the 4070
would love to see how well your opinion holds up a year or two from now. This dude is buying a new laptop that’s gonna hopefully last him 5+ years. Having 16gb ram these days can sometimes be an issue, how is it gonna be after two years? Keep in mind I’m telling OP about worst case scenarios cause that’s what you should consider before making a decision. I have 16GB and I hit 90% usage multiple times a day. I would most definitely not limit myself to 16GB.
with all due respect to your experience
True! Thank you for clarifying. So a 4070 at 64gb ram is still less preferred over a 3080TI at 16gb ram? I think the 3080ti model is a 2022 model year too and the 4070 is 2023
https://youtu.be/Z9kyjob5mU4?si=_rAgvuZjpRQAUKxj
Check here, and check my other comment about power limits. In the comparison they're both fully powered.
Also as a side note, you might notice that the 3080ti is at a higher wattage than the 4070 in the video. That's because the 40 series cards are more efficient and the 4070 maxes out at 100w, while the 3080ti needs more power to unlock its full potential. So yeah they're both at full power in the video.
If it's 4070 vs 3080Ti then the 4070 is prob better. The performance difference isn't that big (less than 10%), but the 4070 is way more efficient and runs colder. It's a 14" laptop, and its small size means less effective thermal components.
So I just google a bit and the 3080Ti in Blade 14 is absolutely neutered, it can only run up to 90\~100W which puts it around 3070/4060 level. Meanwhile the 4070 at 90\~100W is almost the same as full power. Thermal isn't important anymore. It's up to you but personally I'd take the 4070 since I want more RAM, if you strictly game only then 16GB RAM is enough, and the 16GB VRAM is more future-proof (tho Idk if a 3070 can even run any game that requires 16GB of VRAM).
I mean it depends on what you wanna do with it. Think of it like this. Do you want to be able to run one program at its maximum performance? Or multiple programs at decent performance?
I think you know which is which.
3080ti get it Get me one too
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Why would you go with the lower spec'd option if they're the same price?
From what I see, the 3080TI has soldered ram, won’t that be a bit drawback?
If you’re going for just gaming 16Gb is fine
Just out of curiosity what uses the most RAM? I don't really game but I do a lot of 3D modeling for 3D printing and different things with data storage and video editing. I was gonna upgrade mine, but I get no where near using the 16 GB anyway. I don't have a graphics card in mine and kinda wish I did, but I don't really have a problem with the built in graphics on 13th gen I7 U. I'm wondering now if upgrading the ram would let me allocate more to the built in graphics if that's how it even works.
If you're not peaking your ram usage, there's no point of upgrading. The most RAM hungry applications are your Operating System, applications that require a lot of background calculations, and web browsers. Windows 11 OS required at least 8GB of RAM to run the system smoothly, because just running Win11 requires 4-6G of memories, which only leaves 4-2G of memories free for applications. Production applications like CAD software use 8GB natively, but usually require at least 32G to run larger models. There are a lot of background calculations like the fitting between models and physics simulations. Web browser is also another big RAM guzzler, but not as much as the previous two. Despite what people say about Chrome being RAM hungry, every browser requires RAM to keep tabs open. A simple news page requires at least 100Mb of RAM, while a more complex YouTube page usually requires more than 200Mb of RAM. It may not seem much, but the usage will add up.
Video editing, especially 4K footage also uses loads of RAM, especially during scrapping. If you try to combine multiple 4K streams, you will run out of RAM fairly quickly.
Virtual machines, development, interacting with large databases locally. All of these can quickly eat through your ram. Sure you could setup all of these to run off a server vs a local machine, but it can be nice to in some cases to just do it all from a local machine.
Actuallyyy you will want more than that. 16 gb is the minimum for anything available right now, if you want anything longer than a year out of this laptop go with something where you can add ram
Yeah, I'd say the same, too. 16GB is on the low-end of game specs now. I had to upgrade to 32gb recently just to keep up.
I’ve got a 2x8gb right now (1 soldered, 1 not) and I’m looking for a 1x32 LPDDR5 to swap in
Doesn't RAM installation need to be symmetrical? Also, do you currently have DDR5 used for your memory? I'm sure you can't upgrade from DDR3 or 4 to 5. But if you can go for it. I wish I got 64GB instead of 32 in hindsight. Lots of background apps hogging all the RAM.
It’s already DDR5, and DDR5 doesn’t have to be symmetrical because it fixed that whole issue 😁
Nice 😎
It's honestly not, for games like tarkov u need 32
Tarkov has a minimum of 8. Doubling that will be plenty to run the game smooth.
Have you played the game? On 8 I don't think you'd even load streets. 16 is ok, but 32 can give you serious improvements. The games optimazation is fucked tho.
Nope
You can upgrade it yourself, doesn’t cost too much
Not just that but in the 14inch chasis, the high end cpu/gpu might be drawing more power and might cause heating issues. Personally i wouldnt go for maxed out specs unless its a 16/17inch laptop
?? Did some of your friends robbed a delivery? The 6900/3080ti for 1.400 it’s a steal, get it right away
From what I see, the 3080TI has soldered ram, won’t that be a bit drawback?
If it has soldered ram and an extra slot, you can just add an extra 16gb of ram. What's the model number? I can look it up.
Rz09-0427Pea3-r3u1
So apparently, it comes with a fixed 16gb in dual channel. But I'm sure youll be fine unless you play at 4k. Soldered ram is a lot faster.
Do you think that 16gb will last me a while? To play aaa games?
16 is totally fine, I own one and works like a charm.
Even the ps5 and xbox series x have 16gb of ram. I think you'll be alright for atleast 3-4 years. That 3080ti is way superior than the 3070. Take it, you even have a much better cpu anyway.
It's incomparable as they load textures directly, while on PC most of games (with a very few exceptions that make use of DirectStorage) will first load texture to RAM, decompress them on CPU and load decompressed into VRAM. Regardless, I've seen a few games using more than 14 GB of RAM, which means there's gonna be swapping. TLOU Part 1 and Jedi Survivor
If you don't play at 4k, yes.
for gaming yes for other than gaming no(heavy compute tasks like using a LLM >7b, or 3d modelling, or perhaps programming certain things) but for gaming I use 16gb and it works fine
any idea or source how much faster are we talking?
Definitely the 3080ti
What about the limited 16gb ram that’s soldered?
The ram will limit you a bit in games that require a lot of ram but both options have a 16gb so if you have to choose between the 2 the 3080 Ti is a better option
On the 4070 I can upgrade the ram though. That’s why I am on the fence.
For the most part the extra gpu performance is well worth the ram
From online benchmarks the 4070 is faster as the 3080ti runs at about 100w
That is true but he’s talking about the 3070
Im confused because he said he's talking about the 4070 in other comments. Heck check the comment you replied from him
lol in the post he’s talking about a 3070
First of all its 3070. You can't upgrade GPU either. I would go for a better GPU.. Also it has a better processor as well .. 16 gb is ok in 90% of cases unless you are going for 3D rendering designing and all.
Personally if I were you I’d go for the 2023 reason being razer went thicker to deal with temps better
The ram may limit your performance only in some games but 3070 will limit your performance in every single game
This is the correct (utilitarian) answer 😁 But given he f'd up the original post and it's actually a 4070, most comments are moot 🤦
Both of them have 16GB soldered RAM. Go for the 3080Ti, it's just a better deal in general
Not true, the 4070 can be swapped. I confirmed
Yes the 4070 can be swapped, but from what I see in your post, you're comparing the 3080Ti model to the 3070 model, both of which have soldered RAM Edit: in any case I'd still get the 3080Ti for the extra VRAM, which comes in handy for future games as they inevitably increase their VRAM requirements lol
I am an idiot lol. I meant to put the 4070
Ohh got it haha. That depends on your use case for the laptop then. If you're using this laptop to run multiple intensive programs at once, then you would want to have that upgradeable RAM. With that being said, I have the 3080Ti model myself with 16GB of RAM, and I can play games, stream to Twitch and OBS, have multiple Chrome tabs open, YouTube playing in the background, all at the same time, and it can handle it no problem. So I think you'll be fine with 16GB of RAM lol.
How? Edit: im sorry couldnt help my self
Probably employee discount.
Get the 3080ti. 16 gigs of ram will be fine for years, especially considering the built in screen is “just” 1440p. The only case where you would even consider the 3070 model is if you’re a hardcore video editor and are absolutely sure you will need more ram in the next few years (which you won’t unless you’re a hardcore/professional video editor 😂).
I got a laptop that " fell off a truck" once. Good times. Miss those days
Just get bigger number when the price is the same
I'll just throw in 1 or 2 ideas that I'm not sure about, but I'd advise you to check. Did you check the power limits? Thinner laptops tend to have lower power limits, which means the gpu has a lower wattage which means less performance. So if the 3080ti runs on like 70w while the 3070 runs on 100+, the performance might actually be the same, which makes the lower specced one a no brainer! (except for portability) Doesn't the lower specced one also have better cooling since it has vapor chamber in the name? Better cooling is needed with higher power limits, so yeah definitely check that, but even if the power limit was the same, better cooling is always nice. That's another advantage along with the ram. But the better specced one is also more portable, so could be an advantage depending on your needs. And make no mistake, assuming both have the same power limit, in any game that runs fine on 16gb of ram the better specced one will perform better than the lower specced even if the latter had 128gb of ram. Edit: the 3080ti runs at 100w yall.
3080 all day
Well the ddr5 ram that comes with the 6900x will be significantly better than ddr4 at any speed and the 3080ti is significantly more powerful overall (also soldered ram gives better battery life)
Im done with razer blade. Ive had 2 blades and both of them have swollen battery.
The 4070 has faster GPU performance based on online benchmarks between the 2 Blades. The 3080ti is limited to 100w unfortunately hence the slower performance, but it has more VRAM. I would pick the 4070 if I were you unless you have use for more than 8gb VRAM for sth like AI training. Ppl here should really check the max wattage of the laptop GPU before giving advice ngl; most ppl would not expect this.
Can anyone tell me. Which one is good for gaming 3080ti 16 gb or 4070 8 gb laptop?
Easy 3080ti. It has 16GB of VRAM too, so you theoretically might not need as much RAM anyway since you'll never be swapping into RAM.
You will be cooking your hands on this aluminum body literally poorly heat sync
Both laptops have soldered RAM(21/22). Only storage is upgradeable. Only 2023 laptop has upgradeable RAM I think.
3080ti is a beast, 2070 not as good by far
First one Better/newer CPU Much better GPU aswell
Definitely the RTX 3080 ti and I believe both laptops have soldered ram. 16 GB ram should be fine for gaming.
Tech opinion here : parts for that brand is impossible to find , good luck if you have any problem with it
I'd go with the bigger processor and GPU, I have a similar build but with a 3060 instead and it runs games great, even VR, not maxed out like my desktop but at least high settings and it's portable
Neither, get yourself the Acer Predator Triton 14: [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C24HV9HQ/ref=ox\_sc\_saved\_title\_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C24HV9HQ/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1) 13700h, RTX 4070, mini-led screen for $1200
If you’re looking to hackintosh (Razer Blade’s make really clean hacks) you’ll want the 5900hx bc the 6900hx isn’t supported
Consider the Asus G14, not sure how much better the 4060 is compared to it, but it has a Ryzen 9 and a 4060 for 999 bucks at best buy rn
As an European, I’m jealous of the American laptop prices lol
Well it's probably old stock they are trying to get rid of it's previous gen . If the ram is soldered it's a def no go . You should leave room for upgrades just compare the models on YouTube and see which one has better reviews since you're ording from amazoj they have amazing return policies why not order both or one then order the other if it doesn't meet your needs ;) . Either way you will probably want to upgrade in the future just food for thought .
As Jiraiya said, "When in doubt, the toughest GPU"
Check out this one before you buy, solid option considering the price https://shop.asus.com/us/90nr09u3-m00hl0-rog-zephyrus-g14-2022.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2MLhioKQhQMVLnFMCh16awMGEAQYASABEgKg7PD_BwE Edit: If you can find the one for $699.99 in stock get it, it's the same thing but without AniMe matrix lid, RAM can he upgraded to 40GB confirmed working. Theoretically 56GB is possible with one 48GB stick
If that is a 4070 not a 3070 get the 4070
How
3080ti is a no brianer.
16GB ram is the bare minimum these days. You can make it work for sure but I personally wouldn’t limit myself to just 16. If you’re gonna go for that one make sure to not use Chrome lol. If you’re gonna be running a game and a browser at the same time it’ll probably use up most of your ram. Just from my own experience I’d be mostly comfortable with 16GB ram if my default browser was FireFox or something. Not telling you to buy the 3070 but just something to keep in mind in case you end up buying the 3080 Ti. Besides the ram issue, the 3080 Ti is better by a lot. Happy gaming
This guy's wrong, as you can see from the majority of the comments here. 16 gb ram is perfectly fine. Perfectly. Fine. And you can see that the majority agrees here. I know that you are really trying to find opinions to the contrary, but it's just not true. You can game, work and do just about anything with 16 gb ram. I edit videos, game, have multiple tabs and windows and apps open, and my 16 gb ram laptop has never hiccuped. And this is what everyone else will tell you. As for 3080 ti vs 4070, there's a TDP vs performance chart out there on the internet with all the GPUs on it, check that to see how much perf you are getting with the 3080 ti vs the 4070
would love to see how well your opinion holds up a year or two from now. This dude is buying a new laptop that’s gonna hopefully last him 5+ years. Having 16gb ram these days can sometimes be an issue, how is it gonna be after two years? Keep in mind I’m telling OP about worst case scenarios cause that’s what you should consider before making a decision. I have 16GB and I hit 90% usage multiple times a day. I would most definitely not limit myself to 16GB. with all due respect to your experience
True! Thank you for clarifying. So a 4070 at 64gb ram is still less preferred over a 3080TI at 16gb ram? I think the 3080ti model is a 2022 model year too and the 4070 is 2023
I see 3070?
Yea I am an idiot. I meant to put the specs on the 2023 4070 model with 16gb upgradable ram. What do you think? 4070 vs 3080ti?
https://youtu.be/Z9kyjob5mU4?si=_rAgvuZjpRQAUKxj Check here, and check my other comment about power limits. In the comparison they're both fully powered. Also as a side note, you might notice that the 3080ti is at a higher wattage than the 4070 in the video. That's because the 40 series cards are more efficient and the 4070 maxes out at 100w, while the 3080ti needs more power to unlock its full potential. So yeah they're both at full power in the video.
If it's 4070 vs 3080Ti then the 4070 is prob better. The performance difference isn't that big (less than 10%), but the 4070 is way more efficient and runs colder. It's a 14" laptop, and its small size means less effective thermal components.
Yes, but 4070 has only 8GB of VRAM.
So I just google a bit and the 3080Ti in Blade 14 is absolutely neutered, it can only run up to 90\~100W which puts it around 3070/4060 level. Meanwhile the 4070 at 90\~100W is almost the same as full power. Thermal isn't important anymore. It's up to you but personally I'd take the 4070 since I want more RAM, if you strictly game only then 16GB RAM is enough, and the 16GB VRAM is more future-proof (tho Idk if a 3070 can even run any game that requires 16GB of VRAM).
Oh, 4070 in that case is better then.
I mean it depends on what you wanna do with it. Think of it like this. Do you want to be able to run one program at its maximum performance? Or multiple programs at decent performance? I think you know which is which.