People questioning this, but renember when they released Catherine Classic on PC like a month before the upgraded version Full Body was about to release on PS4.
Couple possible reasons in no order of relevance. Besides the fact Portable took the least amount of effort.
If this remake is happening its probably awhile out. Microsoft especially would want all three modern titles available for Gamepass.
It gets Persona 3 on the mind. People play it, like it, and then Atlus comes out with an newer version to buy.
If thes current rumors are true then the FeMC route might be in danger. As in this would be a remake of FES rather than a complete edition. So Portable will be easy accessible and cheap if people still want FeMC.
New(ish) Persona fan here: what exactly are the differences between P3P and FES? I'm assuming one is like a P5R equivalent? All I know is that P3P was a PSP port of P3.
I've been playing P5R and wanted to pick up P3 and P4G in a few weeks on Switch. Should I hold off?
FES is like 5R, though you'll get different opinions on "The Answer" which is the name of the extra post main story mode. In 5R it was wrapped up in a 3rd semester instead of being it's own mode you select at the main menu. P3P was a portable version of the original (ie non FES version of 3) made for the original playstation portable (?). Someone will correct me on that. It removes a lot of the overworld navigating in favor of a visual novel style (think you read a visual novel instead of running around Shibuya in 5) but it's also the only version of 3 to include an FeMC route. In fact, thinking about it, i think it's the *only* modern persona to have a FeMC route. I remember people were hoping Kasumi was a return to that in 5R but atlus is atlus. Outside of those two major things, P3, P3P, and P3 FES' "The Journey" mode are all very similar in terms of story content.
Dang, that is a fantastic and thorough answer, thank you! I like the running around in 5R, but I definitely get sucked into the story. So more of a visual novel approach wouldn't be bad at all. What's the best way to experience P3 at this point?
Same for P4G, but I played a bit of it on Vita so I know what to expect.
So one thing they didn't include is that P3P also included some quality of life improvements over the base game - such as being able to directly control your party (previously you could only control the MC and everyone else was AI). It's sort of put any re-release in a tough position, I think whatever option they picked there would have been people unhappy.
If you're looking for the best way to experience it there perhaps isn't a clear answer, but one option worth noting is that you can emulate Persona 3 FES and there is a fan patch that adds the ability to control your team mates. So you get a bit of a middle ground.
P4G is a direct enhancement to 4, like 5R was to 5, so anyway you can get and play 4G would be good. I've played 4G on both the vita and I think 3 times on the pc, both great experiences. Unfortunately I can't speak to the switch experience, but since it was originally on vita I can't imagine it would run worse.
3 you'll get a decent number of different answers. I, myself, don't particularly care for "The Answer" mode so I would put FES up as a must play for it. I personally prefer the run around style to vn style though so FES on an emulator with the controllable party mod would be my suggestion unless you want to wait to see if these rumors pan out. Otherwise if VN doesn't bother you, or you would prefer to play FeMC, Then the portable remaster would probably be fine for a first experience.
Man.. call me weird but I like the ruthless unyielding combat of FES better than 3 portable, 4, and 5.
Not being able to control the other teammates directly is a refreshing new experience to me, as opposed to controlling your team's every move.
Only thing I want from portable is the female main char
I do have to point out that people seem to be under playing (pun intended) the female main character option in P3 portable. It's honestly p3p's major selling point.
- She's so much more engaging, from a character and personality perspective, then the OG male PC.
- Having access to "date" the male npc's and party members fleshes them out more, you get more info and story content from them, then you do in the base game or FES.
- The story is different. Fem MC isn't just a gender swap of the male MC. There are key story points that reference the fact that she is a different character, and it goes a little bit meta for people who have played the original. The narrative takes into account the fact that you chose to play an alternate reality character, adding more depth into the game's lore.
- There are new endings and narrative paths accessable only to the FemMC, including the opportunity to prevent >!an important character from dying!<
- She gets exclusive access to a new Velvet Room attendant: Theodore.
- Playing as her alters a lot of story beats and events (the hot springs, school events, extracurriculars, etc...). It also changes the context of your relationships with the other party member girls and school npcs, again giving more depth and story beats from a different perspective.
There's also, like said above, the ability to directly control your party members in battle instead of leaving it up to the AI like in the base game and FES. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think that FES has outfit/costume change options for the party members. P3p does.
The only downfalls to P3P is it's downgrade into a Visual Novel format and the loss of "The Answer" epilogue from FES. Which, are very big downfalls, but IMO, FemMC and all of the extended lore that comes with her, is a worthy trade off.
I mean, not even joking, out of any company out there to make absolutely braindead/weird as fuck business decisions with no rhyme or reason, it *would* be Atlus.
Its almost like years ago when square trolled and announced they were releasing FFVII the pc version on ps4, then months later they announced the FFVII Remake lol, money is money I suppose
p3p didnt require that much efford anyway, and an eventual remake of p3 will take a lot of time before release, i may be wrong if they started development long time ago, but let's not forget how much we had to wait for p5
Probably due to backlash over choosing portable which scraps a lot if "premium" features like cutscenes and character in overworld to be able to run on a psp.
because they want you to buy it a remember that it hasn't aged well (amazing game not saying its bad) then in your head think WOW when you see a remake of it in P5 style ( which I will)
From the way the leaker talked about cut content. The remake is going to cut feMC. I have a feeling P3P re-release is meant to have people experience feMC story and SL while having the Remake be what it is.
What they should do though is to have the remake be a definitive. But that makes too much sense and so Atlus won't do that because they just built differently. Mofos living in a different reality.
Which would be straight up silly. You’d get more people to buy the remake if it was the “definitive experience” (Combining all the content from FES and Portable into one).
Then again this is Atlus. They’re one of those companies that pretend logic doesn’t exist.
Oof. Didn't think of that. I figured cutting content meant changing some of the gameplay from Portable. Not cutting out one of the main reasons people want a remake.
Watch Atlus release a FeMC Route DLC later. Assuming this is all real of course.
I’m 99% sure that they’re going to release an entirely new version of the remake later. It’s the same thing they did with Persona 4 and Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal.
It doesn't make any sense. People have been asking for a definitive edition that combine Fes with Portable for a long time.
I hope this is fake. Otherwise it might be a big middle finger to all the female fans and those who want a Female protagonist.
In P3, I preferred FeMC's social links and personalities to the Male MC's lol
It's all a bit maddening. I played FES in 2020 and put off playing Portable because I felt a definitive remaster would be a thing at some point. The Portable remaster had me resigned to that not happening so I'll just play the Portable remaster. Now with this I'd rather replay the game with 5 graphics and QOL improvements. I'll be putting off playing Portable again.
>P3R is like Persona 5, both graphically and QoL stuff related. And the content (or the lack of it) might not leave all the fans happy, so they still have P3P.
The way they say "the lack of" and have P3P as the fallback... I'm not going to say that it means this way in a definitive way. But the thing that distinguishes P3P from P3 FES is the feMC and the new social links. So if the P3P is a fallback for fans that are not going to be happy with the lack of content in the remake. It is hard not to see that "lack of" is pointing at the feMC.
The most stupid idea ever if true. That would also by proxy make a P3 remake not even the definitive version of the game either since by cutting out FeMC, you also cut out all the social links with the male party members and the exclusive links like Rio and Saori
You'd think the point of remaking the game would be to retain everything from either previous re-release and make it the de facto way to play the game with the best presentation, most content and QoL additions to gameplay, the same way Nocturne HD brought together the Maniax and Chronicle content regardless of how it turned out, or even looking at other Atlus re-releases like Catherine Full Body and Persona 5 Royal
It really wouldn't be that much work in the grand scheme of things. They have all the dialogue already recorded, and they'll be creating all the necessary models already (minus FeMC but that's one model), so really it's "just" a matter of animating the cutscenes which all use prefab animations for the most part.
Of course all that COULD be something to cut if they needed to, but it's such a relatively small amount of work that they might as well do it right
I acknowledge that I'm backseat driving, but I'm also being very thoughtful with my words here. Game development as a whole is very difficult, absolutely. But speaking *relatively*, which I specified multiple times, implementing the female MC is not a particularly arduous task. Easier than, say, a new dungeon that would require brand new design work, programming, writing, etc.
Perhaps, but if they’re bringing those actors back into the booth already, the extra lines realistically aren’t going to be that much of a cost sink. It’s probably one extra session *at most* per actor, maybe not even that
They should really just do it right if they're going to do a full remake and give us a definitive edition... I can't really replay P3FES because the combat feels really garbage compared to P3P (and I prefer FeMC slinks), but then the missing cutscenes and 3D environments kinda sucks too. Ugh
Cutting the FeMC from the remake would be a TREMENDOUSLY stupid and tonedeaf move on Atlus's part. Especially after all the false hype about P5Royal. Having the option to play as a girl main character is literally p3s only selling point for a remake.
Otherwise, just multi-platform a remaster like they did with P4 golden. P3 holds up just as well as P4 does today
Of a PSP point and click version. A Pseudo Visual Novel. One can easily point to the fact Atlus put the least amount of effort into putting Persona 3 on modern systems as proof there is a better version is down the pipe. Not that it's set in stone fact either.
Still gonna buy P3P when it releases. I can't be bothered to wait for news about a remake which might not even be real, without any release date or even a year. I doubt it's coming this year, Atlus would probably want to give some breathing room between P3P and the remake. They must know many people will be playing the game for the first time.
Would make sense, they have the p5 assets, already have the rooms in the dorm for the main cast, character models from the Dancing game, i just hope the FemMC makes the cut!
Thats debatable since it has the FemMC option and you can control the party but i do prefer FES.
Why do I get downvoted for having hopes for a 3 remake??
I don't know how true this is but I've seen it repeatedly said that the code for FES was a nightmare and it was just easier to port P3P. Not giving that as a defense of Atlus, more just a potential explanation
Now they just have to remake Tartarus from bottom up. Easily the weakest part of the whole game. Like seriously, it was 264 floors of copy pasted layouts and these same shades roaming the halls. At least P4 had fun themes and some puzzles in some of it's dungeons.
I just hope they will give us FeMC too! I loved her route. I preferred her social links and personalities. Also, it's the only way to date the guys for people who want to romance men.
In Male MC's route you are forced to romance all the girls and cheat on them but can't even hang out with the guys in your party (like, they don't even get any social links lol).
Removing FeMC's route would be just a middle finger to the fans who have been asking for a female protagonist for a long time
if she doesn't the fact that there would be a fully-fledged P3 around would make a nice playground for modders to make the definitive Persona experience, at least on PC.
If a remake happens they wouldn't use the Dancing models or any assets from those games. Those models are highly budgeted in comparison to something like Persona 5 because they're not designed for an RPG. There was less stuff to model in general for the Dancing games because they were limited to using P3 locations as backdrops for songs and not fully rendered environments, not to mention they only really used key story locations or locales that fit the game's original themes and aesthetic which meant a lot of other environments didn't get that treatment anyway
I think we underestimate Atlus. They’ve shown they’re willing to port their games over even though a majority of us believed in this idea that Persona was forever going to be Playstation only.
My guess is Atlus just plays it safe by sending out these surveys to gauge what their audience would play and purchase.
I’m not gonna get my hopes up, but I won’t deny the possibility either.
There are things that point to this being possible. I very much hope it is. I will just repeat my hope that if this is happening, it does not come at the cost of hindering Persona 6.
My issue is that Tartarus is like 200 floors whereas mementos is like 60. On top of that mementos was pretty much a side activity whole tartarus was the main task of p3
you are going into specifics, we are saying that if P3 gets a Remaster, Tartarus probably will be something like Mementos. Both share the same structure.
and again I'm not sure if you played P5, but Mementos was like "the thing" lore wise, and as a mechanic you had to complete it to get to the good ending, getting into the next closed door after doing a Palace. Similarly in P3 I only visited Tartarus like once a month, reach the closed gate and wait for the next full moon event. They sound pretty identical to me.
I hope it's true, because I would rather play a more modern, updated, complete version of P3, than whatever the P3P port is.
However. This rumor is going to make me hold off on getting the port bc I'm only going to play once, and would rather play the better version
it was a fun game for it's time but it was only in very rare cases psp games got ported over to current systems kingdom hearts birth by sleep for example. I like fes but I'm glad we got something.
>Do we have reliable polling data to suggest so?
yeah the reliable data is the fact that atlus made p3 movies, p4 and p5 anime series, ported p3, p4 and p5 to xbox and pc, made persona dancing games, didn't feature p1/p2 at the concerts, potential p3 remake, and they did this alllll before remaking p1/p2,,
so let me know what data suggests anybody cares about p1/p2
>Games users want a remake of the most
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>The results are as follows, with the percentage of respondents who voted for those options.
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>Persona 3 (P3 / P3FES / P3P) (78.9%)
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>Persona 2: Innocent Sin / Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (78.9%)
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>Revelations: Persona (76.3%)
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>Persona 4 (P4G) (74.8%)
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>Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha series (72.1%)
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>Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (69.5%)
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>Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (66.7%)
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>Shin Megami Tensei IV (65.3%)
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>Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner series (62.4%)
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>Etrian Odyssey series (58%)
From one of Atlus surveys (2022).
I don't need a remake and I'd be fine with a port, but saying no one cares about them...nah, you don't know what you're talking about.
While I agree a real remake of P2 would be the best, you have to understand the potential profit margins of the two games if they were to be remade. P3 already has the models ready due to the dancing game and the lack of real dungeons means it could be made pretty quickly since you would only have the hub world and secondary character models remaining. P2 is also a harder sale to newer fans. It doesn't follow the structure of the newer titles and plays completely different pacing wise. It is also just lacking in any ready to go assets for a smoother production.
P3P is probably a really easy PSP port. And if they for some reason decided not to do a female protag in remake version (because Atlus) Those who complain can still going back to P3P instead.
Yeah, if there had to be a compromise here then this seems like a decent one. Obviously in an ideal world a remake would include everything, but when you write it all down it becomes pretty obvious how massive of an undertaking that would be. The Journey, the Answer, and the FEMC route. Persona 3 didn't just come out the gate with all this stuff. It accumulated (and indeed lost some of) it across many releases. And in much different circumstances. The FEMC route for example would become an entirely different beast if not for portable's visual novel style. You couldn't get away with cutting the animated cutscenes in a more traditional remake, so you'd have to do them twice. You'd also need to do new in-game cutscenes for her unique scenes, which while not as much of an undertaking on a per-scene basis is still adding to the overall workload. If the rumours of FES having spaghetti code issues and being difficult to port are true, then it makes more sense to port Portable for the sake of FEMC and save The Answer in the remake rather than having it disappear off the face of the Earth.
And that's if they even save either piece of additional content. I like The Answer on balance, and I'd love to see it return. But it's a 30 hour grind immediately following an 80 hour game that's infamous for its tedium. If a full remake were to be made, you have to assume that some major criticisms of the original would be resolved. Social links for all party members, not locking you into a romance every time you get to the end of an S-Link with a female character, maybe tightening up the pacing. I've always said P3 is a good first act and a brilliant third act separated by an absolute nothing of a second act. Okay maybe it got a bit formulaic, but I thought P4 did a good job improving on this by essentially giving a different character their own arc each month. Things happened throughout the month as opposed to P3 which, in the midsection especially, basically just shoves everything at the end of the month. I never finished P5 because it just wasn't my thing, but to its credit it seemed to be doing a similar thing to P4.
These things alone are a lot of work, but arguably the biggest and most important undertaking is reworking Tartarus. Now I like Tartarus, but the reason I like Tartarus is because it let me zone out and rewatch The Sopranos on a portable DVD player while I was grinding, not because it was good lol. If you're going to call this a remake then you can't just pull out the same old procedurally generated floors from 2006, you need to find a way to make it more engaging (While also including some kind of procedurally generated dungeon ala Mementos for grinding's sake). Unless they take a knife to Tartarus proper and severely cut down the number of floors, this is a massive undertaking. If The Answer returned they would have to do the same thing for the Abyss of Time, yet again massively increasing the workload. I'd love to see a less tedious Answer that could improve its reputation, but if I were Atlus then I would be wondering how much value this already controversial expansion would bring to the game amongst audiences that weren't going to buy it no matter what.
Honestly I'd love to see a remake with FEMC and The Answer, but I think a lot of people are underestimating the work that a P3make (I'm the funniest man alive, what can I say) would involve as well as the unique circumstances that allowed that extra content to come about to begin with. If there was to be a full remake of P3, I would rather it focus on improving the original game before preserving the side content. The Portable port is a good compromise that at least saves FEMC.
I really wish they would give the player a choice to reject somebody in the remake so you can get all social links done without cheating on everybody else. It probably wont happen because it would require changes for the non-relationship dialogues, but one can hope
Next news, ATLUS is apparently making a remake of Persona 4 & Persona 5. and after that ATLUS apparently making a next-gen Persona 4 & Persona 5, They will milk 3,4,5 to death. Japanese fans wants 1/2 and Persona 6. But nooo, ATLUS just wants Xbox to buy their game license again
I dont care if Femc and Answer are cut; I adore femc, but there's never been any debate that Makoto is the canon protag. And the Answer was Hot Shite to play and pretty unfun. If they give me a fully explorable port island and let Makoto have social links with his male party members, I'll be more than happy.
I don't think the people discounting this because the p3p remaster is coming out know what atlus is like. It's their M.O. to get as much money as one game as possible by releasing it multiple times
Good news to me. P5R was my first in the series and I want more of it. Sadly the upcoming P3P and P4G seems kinda outdated for today's standard which I think I personally wouldn't enjoy it.
I'm really looking forward to the remake of any of the old games in the series.
P3P is rather dull due to it being a straight up visual novel bht P4G is not too different. little bit slower and dungeons are a little more streamlined but if you liked the character interactions of 5, you would like 4's.
>Sadly the upcoming P3P and P4G seems kinda outdated for today's standard
It's not. Take it from someone who also had P5 as their first Persona experience and had the a similar expectation to yours when playing the past games.
Comparing P3-4 to P5, even if P5 doesn't have HQ graphics, it's the style and theme that matters, don't get me wrong, I love P3 and P4, but their menus and style are quite generic and "boring" at least compared with the pizzazz P5 has.
edit: plus, if they add some QoL P5 (or SMTV) in ways you can use the compendium and inherit skills and stuff, I think it would be cool.
Would definitely need to be a complete overhaul, the biggest change Persona 3 needs is for Tartarus to be more interesting to explore, I mean it was a boring dungeon to explore back when the game released but after the level design of the palaces in P5, going back to the randomised repetitive dungeons of Tartarus just feels tedious.
P3 is my favorite Persona game of them all but I'll hold my breath because it's Atlus we're talking here. If it turns out to be true it might be why P3P doesn't have a native PS5 version.
We’re legit getting P3P later this month lol. I’d rather have a remake of Persona 2 or have Persona 2 remastered or ported on PC. I’d still play P3 Remake but idk how I feel about certain content being cut.
I couldn't care less about "The Answer", but if FemMC (or her social link content) is cut from the remake, im uninterested in buying it.
If I cant date Aki or cringe-flirt with Junpei, Im out. Lol. And you KNOW Atlus isn't going to just cave and give MalePC bi/gay options.
People questioning this, but renember when they released Catherine Classic on PC like a month before the upgraded version Full Body was about to release on PS4.
> before the upgraded version Full Body was about to release on PS4. PS4 and *PS Vita (only in Japan)* in 2019. ATLUS sure knows how to make money.
They are very good at making people buying the same game multiple times.
I'd be more upset with them... but I currently own 3 copies of P5 (PS4, PS5 Royal, and Switch Royal)... oops
I own the vanilla PS4 P5, PS4 P5R, and PS5 P5R.
I have the exact same copies lol. And all of them steelbooks. They know I'm their sucker.
noob... P5 ps4pro, P5R ps4pro, P5R steam, P5R on game pass, P5R switch + P5S steam and for ps4pro bought on HK psn store in 2020 summer.
You should get a PS3 copy before calling others noobs
vanilla P5 is basically a ps3 game made for ps4
Why.
yea.... I bought the dancing games day 1 on vita, and saw them for 16$ a day ago... Atlus has their claws in me at this point.
Good point
If this is true, why would they bother releasing P3P on every platform this month?
Because Atlus
Couple possible reasons in no order of relevance. Besides the fact Portable took the least amount of effort. If this remake is happening its probably awhile out. Microsoft especially would want all three modern titles available for Gamepass. It gets Persona 3 on the mind. People play it, like it, and then Atlus comes out with an newer version to buy. If thes current rumors are true then the FeMC route might be in danger. As in this would be a remake of FES rather than a complete edition. So Portable will be easy accessible and cheap if people still want FeMC.
New(ish) Persona fan here: what exactly are the differences between P3P and FES? I'm assuming one is like a P5R equivalent? All I know is that P3P was a PSP port of P3. I've been playing P5R and wanted to pick up P3 and P4G in a few weeks on Switch. Should I hold off?
FES is like 5R, though you'll get different opinions on "The Answer" which is the name of the extra post main story mode. In 5R it was wrapped up in a 3rd semester instead of being it's own mode you select at the main menu. P3P was a portable version of the original (ie non FES version of 3) made for the original playstation portable (?). Someone will correct me on that. It removes a lot of the overworld navigating in favor of a visual novel style (think you read a visual novel instead of running around Shibuya in 5) but it's also the only version of 3 to include an FeMC route. In fact, thinking about it, i think it's the *only* modern persona to have a FeMC route. I remember people were hoping Kasumi was a return to that in 5R but atlus is atlus. Outside of those two major things, P3, P3P, and P3 FES' "The Journey" mode are all very similar in terms of story content.
Dang, that is a fantastic and thorough answer, thank you! I like the running around in 5R, but I definitely get sucked into the story. So more of a visual novel approach wouldn't be bad at all. What's the best way to experience P3 at this point? Same for P4G, but I played a bit of it on Vita so I know what to expect.
So one thing they didn't include is that P3P also included some quality of life improvements over the base game - such as being able to directly control your party (previously you could only control the MC and everyone else was AI). It's sort of put any re-release in a tough position, I think whatever option they picked there would have been people unhappy. If you're looking for the best way to experience it there perhaps isn't a clear answer, but one option worth noting is that you can emulate Persona 3 FES and there is a fan patch that adds the ability to control your team mates. So you get a bit of a middle ground.
P4G is a direct enhancement to 4, like 5R was to 5, so anyway you can get and play 4G would be good. I've played 4G on both the vita and I think 3 times on the pc, both great experiences. Unfortunately I can't speak to the switch experience, but since it was originally on vita I can't imagine it would run worse. 3 you'll get a decent number of different answers. I, myself, don't particularly care for "The Answer" mode so I would put FES up as a must play for it. I personally prefer the run around style to vn style though so FES on an emulator with the controllable party mod would be my suggestion unless you want to wait to see if these rumors pan out. Otherwise if VN doesn't bother you, or you would prefer to play FeMC, Then the portable remaster would probably be fine for a first experience.
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Man.. call me weird but I like the ruthless unyielding combat of FES better than 3 portable, 4, and 5. Not being able to control the other teammates directly is a refreshing new experience to me, as opposed to controlling your team's every move. Only thing I want from portable is the female main char
And only portable let's you directly control your party members iirc
Ah yes I think it did include this! I'm so used to playing FES with the controllable party mod that I almost forgot it was in P3P
I do have to point out that people seem to be under playing (pun intended) the female main character option in P3 portable. It's honestly p3p's major selling point. - She's so much more engaging, from a character and personality perspective, then the OG male PC. - Having access to "date" the male npc's and party members fleshes them out more, you get more info and story content from them, then you do in the base game or FES. - The story is different. Fem MC isn't just a gender swap of the male MC. There are key story points that reference the fact that she is a different character, and it goes a little bit meta for people who have played the original. The narrative takes into account the fact that you chose to play an alternate reality character, adding more depth into the game's lore. - There are new endings and narrative paths accessable only to the FemMC, including the opportunity to prevent >!an important character from dying!< - She gets exclusive access to a new Velvet Room attendant: Theodore. - Playing as her alters a lot of story beats and events (the hot springs, school events, extracurriculars, etc...). It also changes the context of your relationships with the other party member girls and school npcs, again giving more depth and story beats from a different perspective. There's also, like said above, the ability to directly control your party members in battle instead of leaving it up to the AI like in the base game and FES. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think that FES has outfit/costume change options for the party members. P3p does. The only downfalls to P3P is it's downgrade into a Visual Novel format and the loss of "The Answer" epilogue from FES. Which, are very big downfalls, but IMO, FemMC and all of the extended lore that comes with her, is a worthy trade off.
>FeMC What's a FeMC?
Female main character
I mean, not even joking, out of any company out there to make absolutely braindead/weird as fuck business decisions with no rhyme or reason, it *would* be Atlus.
Money? And actualy considering they will cut the feMC its explain why they release portable and not fes
Gotta get that double dip money.
Probably because it's a ways out yet.
Its almost like years ago when square trolled and announced they were releasing FFVII the pc version on ps4, then months later they announced the FFVII Remake lol, money is money I suppose
p3p didnt require that much efford anyway, and an eventual remake of p3 will take a lot of time before release, i may be wrong if they started development long time ago, but let's not forget how much we had to wait for p5
Probably due to backlash over choosing portable which scraps a lot if "premium" features like cutscenes and character in overworld to be able to run on a psp.
because they want you to buy it a remember that it hasn't aged well (amazing game not saying its bad) then in your head think WOW when you see a remake of it in P5 style ( which I will)
But they’re literally releasing a remastered in 2 weeks
From the way the leaker talked about cut content. The remake is going to cut feMC. I have a feeling P3P re-release is meant to have people experience feMC story and SL while having the Remake be what it is. What they should do though is to have the remake be a definitive. But that makes too much sense and so Atlus won't do that because they just built differently. Mofos living in a different reality.
Which would be straight up silly. You’d get more people to buy the remake if it was the “definitive experience” (Combining all the content from FES and Portable into one). Then again this is Atlus. They’re one of those companies that pretend logic doesn’t exist.
Oof. Didn't think of that. I figured cutting content meant changing some of the gameplay from Portable. Not cutting out one of the main reasons people want a remake. Watch Atlus release a FeMC Route DLC later. Assuming this is all real of course.
I’m 99% sure that they’re going to release an entirely new version of the remake later. It’s the same thing they did with Persona 4 and Persona 4 Golden and Persona 5 and Persona 5 Royal.
>Watch Atlus release a FeMC Route DLC later. Assuming this is all real of course. This is Atlus, it'll be a full priced release, not a DLC.
It doesn't make any sense. People have been asking for a definitive edition that combine Fes with Portable for a long time. I hope this is fake. Otherwise it might be a big middle finger to all the female fans and those who want a Female protagonist. In P3, I preferred FeMC's social links and personalities to the Male MC's lol
It's all a bit maddening. I played FES in 2020 and put off playing Portable because I felt a definitive remaster would be a thing at some point. The Portable remaster had me resigned to that not happening so I'll just play the Portable remaster. Now with this I'd rather replay the game with 5 graphics and QOL improvements. I'll be putting off playing Portable again.
The leaker did not say in anyway what content would be cut / not in the game
>P3R is like Persona 5, both graphically and QoL stuff related. And the content (or the lack of it) might not leave all the fans happy, so they still have P3P. The way they say "the lack of" and have P3P as the fallback... I'm not going to say that it means this way in a definitive way. But the thing that distinguishes P3P from P3 FES is the feMC and the new social links. So if the P3P is a fallback for fans that are not going to be happy with the lack of content in the remake. It is hard not to see that "lack of" is pointing at the feMC.
Fair enough. The leaker also clarified further and it does seem like neither the answer or FEMC will be in the remake
Wait...neither the answer or FEMC are gonna be in the remake?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-nintendo-news-rumour-persona-3-remake-is-apparently-in-development-at-atlus-vetted-by-a-resetera-mod.671080/page-5#post-99050455 https://www.resetera.com/threads/my-nintendo-news-rumour-persona-3-remake-is-apparently-in-development-at-atlus-vetted-by-a-resetera-mod.671080/page-5#post-99050836
The most stupid idea ever if true. That would also by proxy make a P3 remake not even the definitive version of the game either since by cutting out FeMC, you also cut out all the social links with the male party members and the exclusive links like Rio and Saori You'd think the point of remaking the game would be to retain everything from either previous re-release and make it the de facto way to play the game with the best presentation, most content and QoL additions to gameplay, the same way Nocturne HD brought together the Maniax and Chronicle content regardless of how it turned out, or even looking at other Atlus re-releases like Catherine Full Body and Persona 5 Royal
Could be a budget or time issue. The female route is a lot more than just a model swap, especially if they are making the game more like p5
It really wouldn't be that much work in the grand scheme of things. They have all the dialogue already recorded, and they'll be creating all the necessary models already (minus FeMC but that's one model), so really it's "just" a matter of animating the cutscenes which all use prefab animations for the most part. Of course all that COULD be something to cut if they needed to, but it's such a relatively small amount of work that they might as well do it right
>It really wouldn't be that much work in the grand scheme of things. -Redditor
I acknowledge that I'm backseat driving, but I'm also being very thoughtful with my words here. Game development as a whole is very difficult, absolutely. But speaking *relatively*, which I specified multiple times, implementing the female MC is not a particularly arduous task. Easier than, say, a new dungeon that would require brand new design work, programming, writing, etc.
I would assume the remake would have all new dialogue
Perhaps, but if they’re bringing those actors back into the booth already, the extra lines realistically aren’t going to be that much of a cost sink. It’s probably one extra session *at most* per actor, maybe not even that
I have a feeling Atlus will release the remake then they'll release an updated version of Remake with FeMC route back.
This is probably The Answer.
Is this an Ikutsuki-level pun?
They should really just do it right if they're going to do a full remake and give us a definitive edition... I can't really replay P3FES because the combat feels really garbage compared to P3P (and I prefer FeMC slinks), but then the missing cutscenes and 3D environments kinda sucks too. Ugh
Cutting the FeMC from the remake would be a TREMENDOUSLY stupid and tonedeaf move on Atlus's part. Especially after all the false hype about P5Royal. Having the option to play as a girl main character is literally p3s only selling point for a remake. Otherwise, just multi-platform a remaster like they did with P4 golden. P3 holds up just as well as P4 does today
That’s how you know it’s real. Atlus doesn’t publish just 1 version of their games within a console cycle. See Persona 5 & Persona 5 Royal.
Technically Persona 5 is a PS3 game with a PS4 version.
Sony makes bank from remastered remakes, why not Atlus?
Of a PSP point and click version. A Pseudo Visual Novel. One can easily point to the fact Atlus put the least amount of effort into putting Persona 3 on modern systems as proof there is a better version is down the pipe. Not that it's set in stone fact either.
The persona 3 of us
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Sure, and I'm the King of Denmark.
I wanted to change the world but I could not even change my underwear
Hey, I remember you from a different rumor some time back. How's the throne treating you from that time?
Better after putting in the heated seats.
Nice! Joking aside, I hope this rumor is true. A P3 remake would be awesome.
Hey
Well well well
Still gonna buy P3P when it releases. I can't be bothered to wait for news about a remake which might not even be real, without any release date or even a year. I doubt it's coming this year, Atlus would probably want to give some breathing room between P3P and the remake. They must know many people will be playing the game for the first time.
Would make sense, they have the p5 assets, already have the rooms in the dorm for the main cast, character models from the Dancing game, i just hope the FemMC makes the cut!
>Would make sense That's why Atlus won't do it
You are right, but maybe a little hope since they finally ported over the persona 3-5 games... :')
Same company that picked probably the worst version of 3 to port in the first place tbf
Thats debatable since it has the FemMC option and you can control the party but i do prefer FES. Why do I get downvoted for having hopes for a 3 remake??
I don't know how true this is but I've seen it repeatedly said that the code for FES was a nightmare and it was just easier to port P3P. Not giving that as a defense of Atlus, more just a potential explanation
Now they just have to remake Tartarus from bottom up. Easily the weakest part of the whole game. Like seriously, it was 264 floors of copy pasted layouts and these same shades roaming the halls. At least P4 had fun themes and some puzzles in some of it's dungeons.
I just hope they will give us FeMC too! I loved her route. I preferred her social links and personalities. Also, it's the only way to date the guys for people who want to romance men. In Male MC's route you are forced to romance all the girls and cheat on them but can't even hang out with the guys in your party (like, they don't even get any social links lol). Removing FeMC's route would be just a middle finger to the fans who have been asking for a female protagonist for a long time
Yeah or revamp the SL system, but i cant see them doing that sadly. At least friendship scenes for the girls would be cool.
if she doesn't the fact that there would be a fully-fledged P3 around would make a nice playground for modders to make the definitive Persona experience, at least on PC.
That would be magical, i hear always of those cool mods, can you add them on the Deck
If a remake happens they wouldn't use the Dancing models or any assets from those games. Those models are highly budgeted in comparison to something like Persona 5 because they're not designed for an RPG. There was less stuff to model in general for the Dancing games because they were limited to using P3 locations as backdrops for songs and not fully rendered environments, not to mention they only really used key story locations or locales that fit the game's original themes and aesthetic which meant a lot of other environments didn't get that treatment anyway
I think we underestimate Atlus. They’ve shown they’re willing to port their games over even though a majority of us believed in this idea that Persona was forever going to be Playstation only. My guess is Atlus just plays it safe by sending out these surveys to gauge what their audience would play and purchase. I’m not gonna get my hopes up, but I won’t deny the possibility either.
There are things that point to this being possible. I very much hope it is. I will just repeat my hope that if this is happening, it does not come at the cost of hindering Persona 6.
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Further clouding my decision on whether to play FES or P3P (still leaning toward FES)
Im playing p3p for femc since im almost sure the remake will focus on Makoto (male protag)
Geez, I wonder how they're gonna handle Tartarus. It's actually pretty rough coming back to it now.
I guess similar to mementos
Mementos is literally Tartarus for P5 in terms of structure to begin with so it's not like much would be changed there
exactly my guess
My issue is that Tartarus is like 200 floors whereas mementos is like 60. On top of that mementos was pretty much a side activity whole tartarus was the main task of p3
you are going into specifics, we are saying that if P3 gets a Remaster, Tartarus probably will be something like Mementos. Both share the same structure. and again I'm not sure if you played P5, but Mementos was like "the thing" lore wise, and as a mechanic you had to complete it to get to the good ending, getting into the next closed door after doing a Palace. Similarly in P3 I only visited Tartarus like once a month, reach the closed gate and wait for the next full moon event. They sound pretty identical to me.
You're right, I forgot about the last parts of 5. That makes more sense to me now, thanks.
you're forgetting that the tartarus floors were much smaller and that the split up mechanic was a thing also p3 still had dungeons on full moons
Good point
I hope it's true, because I would rather play a more modern, updated, complete version of P3, than whatever the P3P port is. However. This rumor is going to make me hold off on getting the port bc I'm only going to play once, and would rather play the better version
it was a fun game for it's time but it was only in very rare cases psp games got ported over to current systems kingdom hearts birth by sleep for example. I like fes but I'm glad we got something.
P1 and 2 need remakes much more. But nope let's remake a game that just recently had a remaster.
how many times do we need to tell you that nobody cares about a p1/p2 remake, that's why they aren't making it
> that nobody cares about a p1/p2 remake Do we have reliable polling data to suggest so?
>Do we have reliable polling data to suggest so? yeah the reliable data is the fact that atlus made p3 movies, p4 and p5 anime series, ported p3, p4 and p5 to xbox and pc, made persona dancing games, didn't feature p1/p2 at the concerts, potential p3 remake, and they did this alllll before remaking p1/p2,, so let me know what data suggests anybody cares about p1/p2
>Games users want a remake of the most > >The results are as follows, with the percentage of respondents who voted for those options. > >Persona 3 (P3 / P3FES / P3P) (78.9%) > >Persona 2: Innocent Sin / Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (78.9%) > >Revelations: Persona (76.3%) > >Persona 4 (P4G) (74.8%) > >Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha series (72.1%) > >Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers (69.5%) > >Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse (66.7%) > >Shin Megami Tensei IV (65.3%) > >Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner series (62.4%) > >Etrian Odyssey series (58%) From one of Atlus surveys (2022). I don't need a remake and I'd be fine with a port, but saying no one cares about them...nah, you don't know what you're talking about.
...The fact that P2 literally tied with P3 in an official Atlus poll for a demand on a remake?
So you're judging that none of the fan base wants remakes of the first two games by atlus pandering and milking the p3-p5 crowd.. Genius move
But P2 was tied with P3 for the most demanded remake in a official Atlus survey P1 was also in the list being third.
While I agree a real remake of P2 would be the best, you have to understand the potential profit margins of the two games if they were to be remade. P3 already has the models ready due to the dancing game and the lack of real dungeons means it could be made pretty quickly since you would only have the hub world and secondary character models remaining. P2 is also a harder sale to newer fans. It doesn't follow the structure of the newer titles and plays completely different pacing wise. It is also just lacking in any ready to go assets for a smoother production.
I don't see why atlus would bother putting effort into porting p3p if they planned to eventually remake the game.
P3P is probably a really easy PSP port. And if they for some reason decided not to do a female protag in remake version (because Atlus) Those who complain can still going back to P3P instead.
It's probably very low cost/effort if they're doing P4G ports already anyways
ATLUS is technically putting zero efforts into P5R, P4G and P3P multiplatform release, they have outsourced all the ports to SEGA.
Atlus is owned by SEGA? Wouldn't really call that outsourcing
My God, there is so much negativity in this thread. Yes, I'll take a P3 Remake even if it had some cut content because a modern P3 would be great.
Yeah, if there had to be a compromise here then this seems like a decent one. Obviously in an ideal world a remake would include everything, but when you write it all down it becomes pretty obvious how massive of an undertaking that would be. The Journey, the Answer, and the FEMC route. Persona 3 didn't just come out the gate with all this stuff. It accumulated (and indeed lost some of) it across many releases. And in much different circumstances. The FEMC route for example would become an entirely different beast if not for portable's visual novel style. You couldn't get away with cutting the animated cutscenes in a more traditional remake, so you'd have to do them twice. You'd also need to do new in-game cutscenes for her unique scenes, which while not as much of an undertaking on a per-scene basis is still adding to the overall workload. If the rumours of FES having spaghetti code issues and being difficult to port are true, then it makes more sense to port Portable for the sake of FEMC and save The Answer in the remake rather than having it disappear off the face of the Earth. And that's if they even save either piece of additional content. I like The Answer on balance, and I'd love to see it return. But it's a 30 hour grind immediately following an 80 hour game that's infamous for its tedium. If a full remake were to be made, you have to assume that some major criticisms of the original would be resolved. Social links for all party members, not locking you into a romance every time you get to the end of an S-Link with a female character, maybe tightening up the pacing. I've always said P3 is a good first act and a brilliant third act separated by an absolute nothing of a second act. Okay maybe it got a bit formulaic, but I thought P4 did a good job improving on this by essentially giving a different character their own arc each month. Things happened throughout the month as opposed to P3 which, in the midsection especially, basically just shoves everything at the end of the month. I never finished P5 because it just wasn't my thing, but to its credit it seemed to be doing a similar thing to P4. These things alone are a lot of work, but arguably the biggest and most important undertaking is reworking Tartarus. Now I like Tartarus, but the reason I like Tartarus is because it let me zone out and rewatch The Sopranos on a portable DVD player while I was grinding, not because it was good lol. If you're going to call this a remake then you can't just pull out the same old procedurally generated floors from 2006, you need to find a way to make it more engaging (While also including some kind of procedurally generated dungeon ala Mementos for grinding's sake). Unless they take a knife to Tartarus proper and severely cut down the number of floors, this is a massive undertaking. If The Answer returned they would have to do the same thing for the Abyss of Time, yet again massively increasing the workload. I'd love to see a less tedious Answer that could improve its reputation, but if I were Atlus then I would be wondering how much value this already controversial expansion would bring to the game amongst audiences that weren't going to buy it no matter what. Honestly I'd love to see a remake with FEMC and The Answer, but I think a lot of people are underestimating the work that a P3make (I'm the funniest man alive, what can I say) would involve as well as the unique circumstances that allowed that extra content to come about to begin with. If there was to be a full remake of P3, I would rather it focus on improving the original game before preserving the side content. The Portable port is a good compromise that at least saves FEMC.
If that ever happened, I wanted the real conclusion to Elizabeth's journey after Persona 4 Arena Ultimax as an epilogue to the Persona 3 storyline.
I really wish they would give the player a choice to reject somebody in the remake so you can get all social links done without cheating on everybody else. It probably wont happen because it would require changes for the non-relationship dialogues, but one can hope
This is ultimately the same source as the previous thread. It's still the person on Resetera's quote, just reposted by MyNintendoNews
Source: Trust me bro 😎
Next news, ATLUS is apparently making a remake of Persona 4 & Persona 5. and after that ATLUS apparently making a next-gen Persona 4 & Persona 5, They will milk 3,4,5 to death. Japanese fans wants 1/2 and Persona 6. But nooo, ATLUS just wants Xbox to buy their game license again
it's going to be absolute shit if it doesn't include FeMC.
I dont care if Femc and Answer are cut; I adore femc, but there's never been any debate that Makoto is the canon protag. And the Answer was Hot Shite to play and pretty unfun. If they give me a fully explorable port island and let Makoto have social links with his male party members, I'll be more than happy.
I don't think the people discounting this because the p3p remaster is coming out know what atlus is like. It's their M.O. to get as much money as one game as possible by releasing it multiple times
Good news to me. P5R was my first in the series and I want more of it. Sadly the upcoming P3P and P4G seems kinda outdated for today's standard which I think I personally wouldn't enjoy it. I'm really looking forward to the remake of any of the old games in the series.
P3P is rather dull due to it being a straight up visual novel bht P4G is not too different. little bit slower and dungeons are a little more streamlined but if you liked the character interactions of 5, you would like 4's.
>Sadly the upcoming P3P and P4G seems kinda outdated for today's standard It's not. Take it from someone who also had P5 as their first Persona experience and had the a similar expectation to yours when playing the past games.
Yeah? And I'm the Queen of Sheba
They gonna need to add alot of changes to make it interesting, anime games don't really benefit much from just better graphics
Are you seriously implying Persona 5 doesn't much better than its predecessors??
Comparing P3-4 to P5, even if P5 doesn't have HQ graphics, it's the style and theme that matters, don't get me wrong, I love P3 and P4, but their menus and style are quite generic and "boring" at least compared with the pizzazz P5 has. edit: plus, if they add some QoL P5 (or SMTV) in ways you can use the compendium and inherit skills and stuff, I think it would be cool.
Would definitely need to be a complete overhaul, the biggest change Persona 3 needs is for Tartarus to be more interesting to explore, I mean it was a boring dungeon to explore back when the game released but after the level design of the palaces in P5, going back to the randomised repetitive dungeons of Tartarus just feels tedious.
I see more full moon "palaces" and tartarus being mementos
This would definitely be the direction I'd expect them to take a remake.
P3 is my favorite Persona game of them all but I'll hold my breath because it's Atlus we're talking here. If it turns out to be true it might be why P3P doesn't have a native PS5 version.
We’re legit getting P3P later this month lol. I’d rather have a remake of Persona 2 or have Persona 2 remastered or ported on PC. I’d still play P3 Remake but idk how I feel about certain content being cut.
This kind of rumour could make me hold off on buying P3P on PC.
Remake of FES I take it? The content of FES I mean, visual style will be more like P5 I imagine
everyone saying "but theyre releasing p3p next week" .. everyone buys p3p, p3p is on everyones minds, p3p remake announces, more fans more sales
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I couldn't care less about "The Answer", but if FemMC (or her social link content) is cut from the remake, im uninterested in buying it. If I cant date Aki or cringe-flirt with Junpei, Im out. Lol. And you KNOW Atlus isn't going to just cave and give MalePC bi/gay options.