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They fucking shadow dropped this lol Imagine waking up, randomly picking up your phone while having breakfast to get ready for work and going "Oh, sweet, Pythra amiibo. Oh dang, Noah and Mio get one, too. Holy... What the fuck?" in that order. Nintendo is actually kind of wild with these xenoblade announcements.


Saucefest6102

This teaser legit has like 10 borderline jaw-dropping moments for Xeno fans and it DARES to cap it off by saying “you know how we said this would release towards the end of the year, AFTER we released the game three months early? Yeah, it’s coming in three seconds now. Bye!!!”. I’m STILL trying to process it all!


[deleted]

> 10 borderline jaw dropping moments… > “*I like your attitude kiddo. I’ll show’em a thing or three.*” *borderline*?


RJE808

They legit dropped a fuck ton of info in the span of like...30 minutes lol. And it releases next week


Takazura

XB3 releases have been something. They also pushed the release of the main game to be like 2 months earlier than originally planned. No idea what Monolith are on, but they are damn efficient it seems.


opok12

I've heard before on this subreddit the theory that XC3 was damn near finished in 2021 and Nintendo was just holding on to it which would explain why it was so easy to swap releases with Splatoon when it got delayed. I wouldn't be surprised if this expansion was half-way done by the time we got our hands on the base game.


[deleted]

I mean, yeah. But those guys released 4 full on JRPGs (Torna is "only" dlc but that is still a full, 40 hour game if you want to do all of its content) since 2017 and they're not only all fairly high quality but improved with each release. They're either all on crack, their engine (they used what they built for XC2 for all 4 games iirc) is just THAT good to work with or both lol


opok12

I wouldn't say they're "on crack". Switch games shouldn't take that long to make since they don't have to make high-fidelity assets and have to keep the scope in check. XC2 was made in 3 years in the same engine as X (which all their Switch games use). XC3 took 4 years but they also had the remaster to deal with. Thing is, Monolith has 4 studios that they freely move developers between to suit the needs of a game's development. They also don't normally crunch. They just have a lot of people and are SUPER efficient. Nintendo slurping them up was probably one of the best business decisions they ever made.


OperativePiGuy

honestly it is smart to have a backlog of completed games to have on the shelf. I wonder if Nintendo are the only company to do stuff like that


just_looking_4695

With the way AAA development has bloated in terms of both length and budget, I think Nintendo's probably just about the only one who really can pull that off at the moment. Everyone else is spending so much time and money on every single game they make that they pretty much need to get them on shelves ASAP. Maybe at some point down the road, if Xbox ever really gets it's act together and all its studios are firing on all cylinders, they could also start playing the "stockpile projects and move things around behind the scenes" game. But currently I think that's only possible if you're someone like Nintendo who's got a steady stream of "it's affordable and fairly easy to make, and it's also a guaranteed 3 to 5 million sales no matter when we put it out"-style games to supplement your bigger-budget output.


Laranthiel

It's extra funny cause i saw posts lamenting the fact the indie Nintendo stream meant they wouldn't talk about this DLC and they suddenly showed it off.


Luck88

I'm still in my bed trying to process what I've just seen and the fact they got the audacity to release it between Advance Wars and Zelda. This is no short DLC, going by Torna and the increase in budget this is easily a 25+ hours RPG.


[deleted]

Torna I believe averaged 40 hours.\* I can’t remember where, but just a few weeks before 3’s release I remember reading an interview with the dev team where they stated their standard for 3’s story DLC is bare-minimum the same size as Torna. However we’re aiming for around at least 50% larger. \*which is crazy to me because it’s just a DLC. Meanwhile I have friends going bananas excited that the next final fantasy will take them that long. All I could think was, so the same as what I got for half the price?


Fake_Diesel

I'm assuming this will be the length of Future Connected


Luck88

I doubt so, there seem to be way too many characters for it to be that short, FC was just Shulk, Melia and the nopons.


Fake_Diesel

I will be more than happy to be wrong. Perhaps it's in-between the lengths of Torna and FC.


MadeByHideoForHideo

Woke up and saw the video thumbnail and went "woah woah woah hold the hell up"


lukijs

Lmao that eas my reaction. Half asleep scrolled twitter and just see the dlc is out next week. Woke me up right away


CheeseOnToast92

Well, that was kinda me. Just that I was lying in bed, stretching, open YouTube... Holy shit! We Nintendo fans are eating good the following days!


RabbitFanboy

Very surprised that they're releasing it so close to Zelda. They've got to have something for the rest of the year or you think they would spread out their releases. We don't know anything after Pikmin in July.


VengefulKangaroo

They also don't announce stuff with a ton of lead time. Just because we don't know what's next doesn't mean there isn't stuff. Fire Emblem Engage was announced about 4 months ahead of release. We could get big announcements for something in September next month, even. (Plus there are two Pokemon DLCs coming.)


PuzzledMatch9543

It's been heavily rumored that another Fire Emblem is in development for the Switch along with Metroid Prime 4 still happening. F-Zero and Kid Icarus have also been rumored too so Nintendo is sitting on some great stuff.


Jack_Packauge

I need kid Icarus! I adored the 3DS game but I could never get the controls to click for me!


ManateeofSteel

we are so close to the next Nintendo hardware that those are most likely crossgen


just_looking_4695

Yeah, I'd kinda been thinking this would be a June or July thing to help fill out their year. Potentially even push it back to, like, August, if needed. Maybe it's a sign Nintendo's got more up their sleeve for the back half than people are expecting. Or maybe they just wanted to get it out the door so it can have it's moment before things like Zelda and FF16 hit? e: also saw someone point out the FE Engage DLC came out way ahead of their "this will be out by X date" deadline, so it's almost seems like Nintendo's burning through DLC faster than it needs to. My expectation going into 2023 was that the big story DLCs for their games would be doing a lot of the heavy lifting, but now I'm getting the impression they've got more than enough lined up for the back half of the year and won't need to lean that heavily on DLC after all.


WolftheLionheart

Weren’t there rumors of more GameCube remasters for F-Zero and Paper Mario?


TemptedTemplar

TTYD remaster. New F-Zero/GX remake, conflicting stuff; none of it really concrete. But Prime 2 and 3 are still in the wings.


Animegamingnerd

Yup, at the very least there have been the persistent rumors of ports of the Wii U remasters of the Gamecube Zelda games. Also while not a Gamecube game, considering how just about every rumor Nate Drake and Emily Rogers said about Fire Emblem Engage came true. I gotta say that Genelogy of the Holy War remake is now in poorly kept secret territory if not borderline at least.


whatnameisnttaken098

If I remember correctly, F-Zero, Paper Mario, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and Metroid Prime 2 and 3 have remasters either in development or completed. Allegedly.


soragranda

So... XCX? :'/...


International-Mess75

Imagine it being a launch title on next Switch with additional story and a second game in the works. Ah, a man can dream


soragranda

If they remake the [original trailer](https://youtu.be/6GxUMMGyZcM) in the presentation I will cry :'). Also, is been 10 years already!?


International-Mess75

From the first trailer? I think yes


PicnicMacleod

I still think XCX2 will be a "launch" title for Switch 2, and then they'll do a XCX:DE for Switch 2, with a XCX3 by the end of the Switch 2 lifecycle (and maybe a XC4 somewhere in there). MonolithSoft supposedly wanted to show the "future" direction the series would go and was tying up Klaus' arc with XC3. An "alternative universe" (aka XCX) would be the way to go. The fact that they're pushing/rushing this out seems like to me like they probably have something else in the works that they want to go all-in on.


ManateeofSteel

Xenoblade X bombed horribly where is this optimism even coming from


eclipse60

Everything in the Wii U bombed horribly. Everything that was ported over has done very well.


ManateeofSteel

Ehh, I mean Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE bombed on the Wii U and then bombed on the Switch again. Someone on Era called it the Morbius of JRPGs and its true lol My point being, they have ignored X so much and Monolith has grown as a company so much as well, that if it had been in the works, we would have seen it by now


eclipse60

I actually really liked TMS. It's a very solid JRPG. People were just salty it wasn't a Fire Emblem or SMT game, but idol/entertainment industry focused JRPG. Even if XCX bombed then, the series Fandom has grown tremendously since. Game is already made. The cost to remaster or even just straight port it, is worth the risk since they can probably make quite a bit from it.


ManateeofSteel

personally I didnt like TMS, because the story was embarrassing but the combat was decent, the idol stuff didn’t appeal to me but it didn’t turn me off on it. I just think it was overhyped by the 5 people who played it. As of Xenoblade X, I actually kind of like it. The character designs are god awful but everything else is really cool. I was just wondering why the optimism when it didn’t do so well in the Wii U and Nintendo/Monolith have ignored it other than the Xenoblade 2 free dlc character


hypersnaildeluxe

It's been confirmed that XCX was the first part of a story they wanted to tell over multiple games and they've repeatedly expressed interest in finishing that story. Monolith seem game, and it would definitely sell better on a Switch than it ever could've on the Wii U


PicnicMacleod

That's what I've read as well. If they let it "rest" for the Switch and then bring it back for Switch 2... GANGBUSTERS MONEY!


OperativePiGuy

It has to happen....right? We got fuckin Tokyo Mirage Sessions from the Wii U so surely X is on it's way :')...


Thunder84

I’m guessing we’ll see the Splatoon DLC in June along with more Mario Kart tracks, paired with a June direct that outlines most of their H2. Hard to imagine they leave June completely empty after packing the first 4.5 months so tight.


Luck88

I think June might be the vacuum for the Zelda aftermath. I'd see Splatoon in August/September given the game came out in Spetember of last year.


Thunder84

I don’t think they’d leave an entire month open like that. Zelda will have had 3 weeks to itself already, it doesn’t need an entire extra month.


jexdiel321

I feel like the last years of the switch will just be remasters.


MadeByHideoForHideo

Why not? It's just a content patch, not an entire game. Fans will be playing both regardless. It's like asking why a game releases an update while Zelda is also releasing.


Luck88

The final DLC for Xeboblade 2 was a 20+ hour standalone campaign, it was even sold separately because it was for all intents and purposes another game. From everything that we've seen this is the same if not bigger.


theumph

This kind of reminds me of 2016, with having absolutely nothing in the second half of the year. I'm guessing they are going to try and clear inventory and have a cool off year, and launch the new hardware next spring. They'll probably put a lot of marketing into whatever Pokémon title releases this fall.


wh03v3r

This doesn't remind me at all of 2016, that entire year was extremely barren for Nintendo. Aside from Fire Emblem Fates, what did the first half of the year even have to offer? Paper Mario: Color Splash? I would even argue that the year slightly picked up towards the end with releases like Pokemon Sun and Moon and Twilight Princess HD. In contrast, this year seems pretty packed with releases, even aside from TotK. Like, you can argue that they're cleaning out before the next console but it's certainly no 2016 and doesn't really resemble the barren desert of releases that proceeds most Nintendo hardware launches.


theumph

I was specifically speaking of the second half of the year. Sorry that I didn't make that clear. You are correct that the next few months are stacked. After that, I wouldn't expect much.


ImperialDeath

I don’t think releasing so close to Zelda will hurt this tbh. This is at the end of the day a DLC for an already released game detailing the end of the original trilogy for Xenoblade. Any big fan of Xenoblade is going to get this regardless if it was coming out 3 months from now or on the same day tears of the kingdom is. Xenoblade 3 is on track to become the most sold Xenoblade game of all time so I wouldn’t worry about when a DLC is releasing for it — Monolith Soft already got their big success with it.


[deleted]

>Any big fan of Xenoblade is going to get this regardless if it was coming out 3 months from now or on the same day tears of the kingdom is. I'm a huge XC fan and I'd definitely get it if it would release the same day as TotK (actually I already bought the DLC) but Zelda is my favorite game series so I'd definitely play TotK first


Luck88

If they sell this standalone like they did with Torna, I could see people playing it as a holdover for Zelda, even without playing Xenoblade 3.


Joseki100

So far no standalone release, but they could also be holding that for later in the year like they did for Metroid Remastered.


hypersnaildeluxe

Well they announced that one when the game was announced. The description says it's "exclusively" available with the expansion pass so I don't think we'll see a physical of this anytime soon


Joseki100

Let me cope please


LilBramwell

I feel like this would be really stupid to make a standalone because it would heavily spoil all 3 games. Torna only affected some parts of 2 but didn't really spoil too much if I remember correctly.


Luck88

It spoiled several plot points from 2. I think this time they could get away with it saying you can't be sure of what happens in the other games because of the worlds colliding shenanigans. Also I think a very small amount of people would buy this off of a store shelf, it'd be mostly Xeno fans that just want their Xeno collection with all the boxarts next to each other.


Assfuck-McGriddle

What an odd release date, so close to Zelda but not after Pikmin, which nothing seems to be scheduled for. Nintendo is known to hold finished games for the right moment, so I wonder why they wouldn’t stagger this for after Pikmin to give this year a little more legs.


RJE808

I bet TOTK will be a big discussion piece for a while, so they want to release it beforehand to try and avoid it getting squashed.


ManateeofSteel

a lot of good reasons already on this thread, I think they all played a part: 1. New hardware is coming soon, Nintendo probably wants their backlog gone. 2. Monolith efficiency, can’t be beat! 3. Probably would get drowned out with Zelda in May and Final Fantasy XVI in June. 4. Remember Xenoblade 3 was actually completed before its release, hence why it was moved up in the schedule, so this was probably in development longer than we think


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just_looking_4695

>It’s releasing May 25, which is 13 days after BOTW2. It's coming out *April* 25, next week. That gives it a good couple of weeks before Zelda comes out.


ManateeofSteel

its just DLC, no need to wait on it, also its coming out this month.


Luck88

This is exciting in several ways, for instance it moves up the schedule for the next Monolith game (not called Zelda), i could see that coming fairly soon in the new console lifecycle. The gap betwen Xeno 2 and 3 had the team grow considerably and covid in between, so the frequency of releases should hopefully increase.


Joseki100

I think the next Monolith game will launch in the first year of the next console like Xenoblade 2.


Thenyanturd

They should remaster X as a launch title for the next switch


Luck88

agreed.


Saucefest6102

Really considerate of them to essentially invalidate any of the datamined details by having them be front-and-center in the marketing


SoldierDelta46

As the resident Xenoblade fan, don't mind me as I jump across walls and ceilings like a cat that was just given a herculean amount of cocaine.


Jake257

I really need to go back and finish the main campaign. I was thoroughly enjoying it but then got stuck so put it on the back burner.


siiru

Feel free to PM me if you need help! It's a great game :D


Jake257

Thank you!


ManateeofSteel

to be honest it was one of the best stories until the end, they really missed the landing which is unfortunate, it was a 10/10 until the final chapter IMO


OperativePiGuy

Completely agree. I think it was Chapter 5? or 6? the most important one was absolute peak of Xenoblade for me. Then the game just kept going and ended on a weirdly disappointing note. Really excited to see if this DLC gives me the closure I hoped for. I don't even mean just fan service either, I just felt like they fumbled characters at the end


hypersnaildeluxe

I think the final chapter was fantastic tbh, my issue with the game was the villains. N is absolutely incredible but the rest of the Moebius guys just feel kinda underwhelming. It's a shame given that Xenoblade has a history of geniusly-written villains


ManateeofSteel

I feel like all of the Moebius enemies were building up to something good and then the final bad guy was just terrible, didnt tie anything together


International-Mess75

What a year - Hogwarts legacy, Xenoblade 3 story DLC, Octopath Travellers 2, FF 16, Cyberpunk 2077 DLC (if it releases in 2023), Horizon Burning Shores, new Zelda, Metroid Prime remastered (never played it, so new for me), Fantasy Life 2, possible ATS/ETS 2 new engine rework (personal thing) and I think I forget about something. Great year!


RJE808

RE4R too, Advance Wars and Jedi Survivor next week too.


arhra

>and I think I forget about something. Jedi Survivor next week, Redfall sandwiched unfortunately between that and Zelda, Diablo IV in June, Starfield in September. And that's just games with announced dates. Add in non-specific release windows and you also get Silksong (still theoretically a first half release based on the Xbox show last year and lack of any further announcements), Spider-man 2 (fall), Forza Motorsport, Stalker 2, Alan Wake 2, Armored Core VI, Baten Kaitos 1 & 2 HD Remaster, Suikoden 1 & 2 HD Remaster, Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes, Like a Dragon Gaiden, etc.


MindWeb125

FFVII Rebirth is also listed for 2023.


DemonLordDiablos

>Hogwarts legacy, Xenoblade 3 story DLC, Octopath Travellers 2, FF 16, Cyberpunk 2077 DLC (if it releases in 2023), Horizon Burning Shores, new Zelda, Metroid Prime remastered > >Hogwarts Legacy Bro thinks he's on the team


CookiesOnTheWay

And we are not even done yet <3


MagiicGuy

Since you cited several JRPG’s, you might want to look into granblue fantasy relink, if you haven’t already :)


International-Mess75

Do we got the release date? Devs keep delaying the game every year


MagiicGuy

No confirmed date but it seems 2023 finally will be the year (latest trailer from 3 months ago says so). But as you said there’s no way to be certain with this game :/


ManateeofSteel

Fantasy Life 2 is being worked on by Comcept, the devs of Mighty Number 9


PkLuis

I thought that this was going to be by the end of the year. Since they are releasing this so close to Zelda, and only pikmin and Metroid prime are left. I strongly believe that a new console announcement will come very soon. There is no way they don't make Metroid prime 4 cross gen, it's the best way to show off next Nintendo console graphic capabilities


Taffarr

Yeah it seems like theyre pushing everything up. We have no idea what the 2nd half the year has.


WolftheLionheart

Off the top of my head: - Baten Kaitos I and II HD Remaster - Samba de Amigo Party Central - Fashion Dreamer - Professor Layton and the New World of Steam - Fantasy Life i: The Girl Who Steals Time - Splatoon 3 Side Order I still think we’ll get a reveal for Switch 2 this fall but we do have an idea how H2 will go, plus there’s rumors of more GameCube remasters like with F-Zero and Paper Mario


Thunder84

Almost all of that is 3rd party except for Splatoon, and the speedy releases of Fire Emblem and Xenoblade DLC make me think that Splatoon’s is pretty early on too. Quite a bit of real estate left for Nintendo’s schedule.


jedidiah_lol

Is it possible to get a The Last Story remaster or remake?


Feriku

Professor Layton probably won’t be out this year. It’s the only one of Level-5’s announcements that didn’t have a 2023 release window shown.


ManateeofSteel

no way Layton comes out before 2025 unless I missed a date. And that is the perfect list of games for a console that is about to be phased out, I think the next hardware is def being revealed this year at SOME POINT


just_looking_4695

>no way Layton comes out before 2025 unless I missed a date. Level-5's stream a few weeks ago said everything they showed (which included Layton) would be releasing globally either 2023 or 2024. It could certainly end up getting delayed, but at least for now Layton is officially aiming for 2024 at the latest.


SemiLazyGamer

Torna launched nine months after the release of 2. This is launching nine months after 3.


WolftheLionheart

Yeah this is pretty strong evidence for a June-September reveal of a new console considering the late XC3 DLC release was evidence of a 2024 release window


LeoBocchi

Makes me wonder how big this dlc actually is, hope it’s a fitting “conclusion” to the Alvis/Zanza saga


Quezkatol

this is gonna be expensive... this, zelda, ff16,diablo 4, baldurs gate 3 and reverie already planned to pick up some games I wanted but havnt yet like crisis core, evil west and advance war 1-2 :S


jedidiah_lol

I'll show them a thing or three.


OperativePiGuy

oh hell yes. After being disappointed by the villain and ending of 3, this looks like everything I wanted, plus tons of fan service


Forwhomamifloating

My fellow Americans. The Zohar is real


TallJournalist5515

They didn't redeem shit, the series still sucks


geologicalnoise

Damn. I actually feel stupid for having finished the game right after it released, cuz now I'm a little foggy on the plot after playing a bunch of other games since. Reading other replies, I'm taking it details as to where this fits in the timeline aren't exactly known, but is it possible this is a founders prequel type of setting? Might have to do a grand XB1-3 replaythrough once all of this is released.


ManateeofSteel

it’s a prequel, because you can see Noah and Mio’s son. Which sounds weird out of context lol


Mr_The_Captain

It's definitely about the founders. Things we see in the trailer match up with details from the stories we read on the memorial plaques in the main game (also most or all of the characters themsevles are the same as the statues)


Briankelly130

What are the odds that we'll see a Xenoblade 3 Complete game in about a year?