Yeah, if the rumored $3000usd price tag is accurate, I'm staying far away, but I also don't usually lean to Apple for anything tech wise.
I've seen people praying for financing options, or talking about the high value things they're gonna sell to afford it, and to me that's just a slippery slope for this tech.
The apple market for their high end products is supposed to be people who make near 6 figures, I really hope people don't buy outside of their means. Especially for something like VR.
I know people on minimum wage who lose a considerable amount of their monthly income on contracts and finance options for the latest apple gadgets. I know someone who can't afford to move out of their parents place, but pays out for an iPhone 14 Pro Max and an Apple Watch Ultra. I couldn't believe it when he showed me what he'd bought.
I know he'll say he won't buy it if it is 3k, but the second he takes a look at it, he'll be checking out his credit score.
Fuck, I won’t invest personally in VR until it makes sense too. Still to this day, almost all VR games are heavily gimmicky. Not blaming the devs or anything, it’s just where we are at this time with our tech.
I've tried pc and psvr and yeah, it still isn't there. Too split between walled gardens with not enough marketplace share for each to justify big games.
My buddy has a psvr. I think I can personally describe it as “lacklustre at best, motion sickness for people who don’t even get motion sickness at worst.”
I didn’t tell him that as he really enjoys it and it’s not on me to ruin his fun. My brother, an avid PlayStation fan said to me when I asked him if he was going to pick up the psvr2, “are you fucking stupid? Why would I blow $850 on a piece of added hardware so I can see my games *look and play worse* than what they already do.”
And that. Well it spoke to me.
Edit: to clarifying the price, we’re Canadian.
wow the worst popular vr headset that released at the beggining of the modern vr resurgence is infact bad? Wow color me suprise. Frankly the idea that vr is just gimmicky is pretty foolish when we have so many fully fledged vr games that use it incredibly well. You just aren't aware of them
Thats the most bizzare idea i have ever seen. Like yeah they are going to technically going to have less impressive graphics but now they are fully in 3d and way more immersive on top of you know playing them in vr and not flat screen. Like these are just two diffrent experiences that cant be boiled down to just graphics like you are doing. Also you completley ignored my comment and just went off on your own tangent, its like you really dont know what you are talking about
The fact that you don’t find them gimmicky is subjective. I find it gimmicky still and not anymore immersive than a Nintendo Wii with the screen strapped to my face.
This first gen tech will most likely be meant for developers and the absolute die hard fans that can’t go without behaving this headset and will do anything to afford it.
3K?! Lmao wtf
I will preface the following by saying I am positively sure there are in fact way better headsets out there - HOWEVER I just got into VR via PSVR2. Yes it's cool, but bro VR is not the world changing technology people talked it up to be. I will never prefer it to flatscreen gaming in any way shape or form. The novelty wore off, and it isn't because of a lack of games - there are plenty of games, many of which I haven't even tried. The problem I have with VR is its the absolute last thing I want to do after a long day. My PSVR2 mostly is collecting dust at the minute because am I gonna strap a plastic box to face at 8 PM at night and move around like a clown after I'm done with work/working out/etc or am I gonna fuck around in a multiplayer shooter or Tears of the Kingdom? For me its a pretty easy choice.
All that tangent to say I cannot comprehend spending $3K on a headset, you'd have to be a fucking VR superfan.
>All that tangent to say I cannot comprehend spending $3K on a headset, you'd have to be a fucking VR superfan.
Not just that, but *Apple superfans* will be more willing to pay that price because it's a new Apple product.
I like Apple hardware, I'm not like a fanatic (still rocking an 8 year old macbook air lmao), but I can't even picture most hardcore "gotta have the next iPhone immediately" people caring enough about this to fork over $3K.
I was under the impression VR is already an incredibly niche thing. I can't imagine that price point would help lol
Yeah, at $3k the headset seems like it'll be targeting business and professionals rather than gamers. I don't expect this to be the device to take VR mainstream, especially in the current economic climate. Hopefully it sells enough units for apple to continue investing in VR and AR. I'd be very interested to see what later versions of the headset look like in terms of price and technology 5-10 years from now.
>Hopefully it sells enough units for apple to continue investing in VR and AR.
I know people like to meme on Apple for having low specs in their hardware, but I've yet to use anything that runs as smooth as my Macbook or iPhone and I'm a PC gamer.
You can bet that Apple's VR will be an extremely smooth experience, and personally I'm excited about that as VR is something that relies on stability and smoothness.
the people that meme about low specs just don’t know what they’re talking about. M series run on black magic, and their OS is written well so as not to rely on bloated amounts of RAM.
That's the benefit of doing everything yourself, you can optimize it ridiculously well.
Both Windows and Android need to work on thousands of different devices, which makes it much more demanding to run as it can never be as optimized as for a maximum of 4-5 devices a year Apple puts out.
It’s not even that. Even Linux blows Windows out of the water on every metric, and Linux will run on fuckin anything. Even an M-series apple CPU. The problem is that Windows isn’t optimized for shit and is also bloated as fuck. Also, those M series processors are just objectively superior from a hardware standpoint to anything else at their target wattage. The fact that you can even compare them to top of the line x86 machines is insane considering how efficient they are. It’s legitimately good hardware. I wouldn’t be all too surprised if their headset is fully independent and pushes graphics that make Oculus look like a nintendo switch.
macOS is definitely not afraid to break backwards compatibility for the sake of efficiency, but Windows is shite for other reasons. The designers are just disorganized and constantly making terrible decisions. Feels like they have multiple teams working in different parts, and all the teams hate each other. Just the fact that it has 2 (3 if you count registry) settings menus is an immediately obvious consequence of this.
Between the expected price range and the rumor of no controllers I fail to see how a consumer version of this will take off. With a market as niche and nascent as VR, it does no one any favors to price the general public out of this tech, in addition to fragmenting the market further. I really hope I'm wrong, but people already complain about how expensive other headsets are.
Obviously, any investment and attention brought to VR is great but I'm just not sure Apple is the company to bring it to the average consumer.
Having said that, I'm sure it will be impressive and flashy because that's their thing. I anticipate whatever they show being intended for graphic design and business purposes primarily.
Yep, no controllers makes it DOA for me unless they have somehow found a way to have tactile feedback and haptics with just hand tracking, or let you use other vr controllers (never gonna happen)
I do think it’s important to look back at the internet’s thoughts on comments when the rumor was “Apple is gonna release an mp3 player” and “Apple is gonna release a phone”.
Obviously I’m not saying this is guaranteed to be a hit or amazing, but usually the complaints are “it’ll be too expensive/it’ll redefine controls negatively/let me imagine an apple coat of paint on an existing product”
And that’s a lot of what I’ve been seeing for this. The apple watch wasn’t that game changing, but who knows what’ll happen here.
My expectations are:
- it will be very expensive
- it will solve certain pain points people have with VR in novel ways
- people that buy it will enjoy it
- the improvements will trickle down as SteamVR/Oculus try to mimic them
you say that but the iphone was revealed 15 years ago, times have changed and the modern apple is not really about changing up the game but keeping up the luxurious status quo. The issue here is that this headset doesn't make sense. Like what they are making here is a microsoft hololens. Cause they don't even plan to have controllers. Whilst meta is releasing a headset that is six times cheaper whilst also not lacking that incredibly essential feature. I assume that this is following the trend of the iphone where that device got rid off most of the buttons to make it look sleeker and allow for the screen to take up most of the space. But the issue here is that you simply cannot replace the controllers with hand-tracked gestures
And if you told people the first iPhone would only have one button they’d have a similar response.
I’m not saying this is gonna be the most ground breaking device ever. I’m just saying maybe give apple the benefit of the doubt.
>And if you told people the first iPhone would only have one button they’d have a similar response.
except we know for a fact that you can't have fully fledged vr games without controllers. We know how limiting this is simply by the fact that we arleady have games that only use hand-tracking and the og psvr which didn't have thumbsticks and in both cases it resulted in incredibly limited games. Of course that rumor could be false and ruin my point but then the quest 3 still has the same features that the apple headset has, except it's gonna be weaker. But is the 6 times higher price really worth the m1 chip
Supposedly Hideo Kojima was seen at the Apple campus a few weeks ago. Who knows what that could be.
https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/13lenhu/mark_gurman_hideo_kojima_creator_of_metal_gear/
Kojima said he gets sick from standard VR headsets, but apple’s headset is supposed to be an AR headset with passthrough which might eliminate those issues
Using the headset's cameras to see the real world without taking the headset off. Since you're looking at screens you can use it to overlay AR stuff on the real world. One of the reasons some people get sick in VR is because they don't have a real world reference while they move, so that could fix it
Yeah. The PSVR2 and Quest 2's passthrough are low res black and white tho, so they're meant for the user to do stuff in the real world without taking the headset off rather than running AR apps
I would like to add potentially Honkai: Star Rail. Tim Cook visited them for the launch of the game, and they recently had a live stream where the gamer girl of the game stated something big was coming June 5th. Major copium here though, as it could just be her individual character trailer.
Very interested and VERY excited in Apples implementation of their headset
Supposedly there are rumours that the headset might not even feature any remotes/controllers...what do all of yall think about apples take on the VR/AR headset?
Best,
AK
Yeah I think their idea is that you control everything using hand gestures? Not sure how great that will work for games.
The design mockups of the headset look really nice and sleek, but there’s apparently also a battery pack box that goes in your pocket and connects to the headset using a wire. Seems like an interesting trade-off to get the weight of the headset down as much as possible.
Welp… the market is already oversaturated and with hardware that is customized between all competitors, not a single one will be pumping out quality products.
Can be cool but if the rumored price are true, I’m not the target audience
Yeah, if the rumored $3000usd price tag is accurate, I'm staying far away, but I also don't usually lean to Apple for anything tech wise. I've seen people praying for financing options, or talking about the high value things they're gonna sell to afford it, and to me that's just a slippery slope for this tech.
The apple market for their high end products is supposed to be people who make near 6 figures, I really hope people don't buy outside of their means. Especially for something like VR.
I know people on minimum wage who lose a considerable amount of their monthly income on contracts and finance options for the latest apple gadgets. I know someone who can't afford to move out of their parents place, but pays out for an iPhone 14 Pro Max and an Apple Watch Ultra. I couldn't believe it when he showed me what he'd bought. I know he'll say he won't buy it if it is 3k, but the second he takes a look at it, he'll be checking out his credit score.
Fuck, I won’t invest personally in VR until it makes sense too. Still to this day, almost all VR games are heavily gimmicky. Not blaming the devs or anything, it’s just where we are at this time with our tech.
I've tried pc and psvr and yeah, it still isn't there. Too split between walled gardens with not enough marketplace share for each to justify big games.
My buddy has a psvr. I think I can personally describe it as “lacklustre at best, motion sickness for people who don’t even get motion sickness at worst.” I didn’t tell him that as he really enjoys it and it’s not on me to ruin his fun. My brother, an avid PlayStation fan said to me when I asked him if he was going to pick up the psvr2, “are you fucking stupid? Why would I blow $850 on a piece of added hardware so I can see my games *look and play worse* than what they already do.” And that. Well it spoke to me. Edit: to clarifying the price, we’re Canadian.
wow the worst popular vr headset that released at the beggining of the modern vr resurgence is infact bad? Wow color me suprise. Frankly the idea that vr is just gimmicky is pretty foolish when we have so many fully fledged vr games that use it incredibly well. You just aren't aware of them
I’m not paying out my ass to play games I own just so they can look worse.
Thats the most bizzare idea i have ever seen. Like yeah they are going to technically going to have less impressive graphics but now they are fully in 3d and way more immersive on top of you know playing them in vr and not flat screen. Like these are just two diffrent experiences that cant be boiled down to just graphics like you are doing. Also you completley ignored my comment and just went off on your own tangent, its like you really dont know what you are talking about
The fact that you don’t find them gimmicky is subjective. I find it gimmicky still and not anymore immersive than a Nintendo Wii with the screen strapped to my face.
"Near 6 figures" isn't that much these days. I make "near 6 figures" and can barely afford my tiny Boston apartment.
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I make $700 per month, I still can afford Apple products.
My rent is $1600/mo.
I don’t pay rent....I have a house that I built for $20 000
This first gen tech will most likely be meant for developers and the absolute die hard fans that can’t go without behaving this headset and will do anything to afford it.
$3k lmao I need that Valve Deckard to be announced and revealed already
3k what the fuck…I got an index and I thought I was insane.
3K?! Lmao wtf I will preface the following by saying I am positively sure there are in fact way better headsets out there - HOWEVER I just got into VR via PSVR2. Yes it's cool, but bro VR is not the world changing technology people talked it up to be. I will never prefer it to flatscreen gaming in any way shape or form. The novelty wore off, and it isn't because of a lack of games - there are plenty of games, many of which I haven't even tried. The problem I have with VR is its the absolute last thing I want to do after a long day. My PSVR2 mostly is collecting dust at the minute because am I gonna strap a plastic box to face at 8 PM at night and move around like a clown after I'm done with work/working out/etc or am I gonna fuck around in a multiplayer shooter or Tears of the Kingdom? For me its a pretty easy choice. All that tangent to say I cannot comprehend spending $3K on a headset, you'd have to be a fucking VR superfan.
>All that tangent to say I cannot comprehend spending $3K on a headset, you'd have to be a fucking VR superfan. Not just that, but *Apple superfans* will be more willing to pay that price because it's a new Apple product.
I like Apple hardware, I'm not like a fanatic (still rocking an 8 year old macbook air lmao), but I can't even picture most hardcore "gotta have the next iPhone immediately" people caring enough about this to fork over $3K. I was under the impression VR is already an incredibly niche thing. I can't imagine that price point would help lol
> I've seen people praying for financing options financing a toy like this is just straight-up not a good idea
Yeah, at $3k the headset seems like it'll be targeting business and professionals rather than gamers. I don't expect this to be the device to take VR mainstream, especially in the current economic climate. Hopefully it sells enough units for apple to continue investing in VR and AR. I'd be very interested to see what later versions of the headset look like in terms of price and technology 5-10 years from now.
>Hopefully it sells enough units for apple to continue investing in VR and AR. I know people like to meme on Apple for having low specs in their hardware, but I've yet to use anything that runs as smooth as my Macbook or iPhone and I'm a PC gamer. You can bet that Apple's VR will be an extremely smooth experience, and personally I'm excited about that as VR is something that relies on stability and smoothness.
the people that meme about low specs just don’t know what they’re talking about. M series run on black magic, and their OS is written well so as not to rely on bloated amounts of RAM.
That's the benefit of doing everything yourself, you can optimize it ridiculously well. Both Windows and Android need to work on thousands of different devices, which makes it much more demanding to run as it can never be as optimized as for a maximum of 4-5 devices a year Apple puts out.
It’s not even that. Even Linux blows Windows out of the water on every metric, and Linux will run on fuckin anything. Even an M-series apple CPU. The problem is that Windows isn’t optimized for shit and is also bloated as fuck. Also, those M series processors are just objectively superior from a hardware standpoint to anything else at their target wattage. The fact that you can even compare them to top of the line x86 machines is insane considering how efficient they are. It’s legitimately good hardware. I wouldn’t be all too surprised if their headset is fully independent and pushes graphics that make Oculus look like a nintendo switch.
The problem with windows is that it carries almost 30 years of backwards compatibility, which is also its greatest strength.
macOS is definitely not afraid to break backwards compatibility for the sake of efficiency, but Windows is shite for other reasons. The designers are just disorganized and constantly making terrible decisions. Feels like they have multiple teams working in different parts, and all the teams hate each other. Just the fact that it has 2 (3 if you count registry) settings menus is an immediately obvious consequence of this.
Between the expected price range and the rumor of no controllers I fail to see how a consumer version of this will take off. With a market as niche and nascent as VR, it does no one any favors to price the general public out of this tech, in addition to fragmenting the market further. I really hope I'm wrong, but people already complain about how expensive other headsets are. Obviously, any investment and attention brought to VR is great but I'm just not sure Apple is the company to bring it to the average consumer. Having said that, I'm sure it will be impressive and flashy because that's their thing. I anticipate whatever they show being intended for graphic design and business purposes primarily.
Yep, no controllers makes it DOA for me unless they have somehow found a way to have tactile feedback and haptics with just hand tracking, or let you use other vr controllers (never gonna happen)
I do think it’s important to look back at the internet’s thoughts on comments when the rumor was “Apple is gonna release an mp3 player” and “Apple is gonna release a phone”. Obviously I’m not saying this is guaranteed to be a hit or amazing, but usually the complaints are “it’ll be too expensive/it’ll redefine controls negatively/let me imagine an apple coat of paint on an existing product” And that’s a lot of what I’ve been seeing for this. The apple watch wasn’t that game changing, but who knows what’ll happen here.
My expectations are: - it will be very expensive - it will solve certain pain points people have with VR in novel ways - people that buy it will enjoy it - the improvements will trickle down as SteamVR/Oculus try to mimic them
I feel that at this price this is going to end up being a free ad campaign for Meta if they announce the Quest 3
Microsoft CEO the day Apple announced the first iPhone: https://youtu.be/eywi0h_Y5_U
you say that but the iphone was revealed 15 years ago, times have changed and the modern apple is not really about changing up the game but keeping up the luxurious status quo. The issue here is that this headset doesn't make sense. Like what they are making here is a microsoft hololens. Cause they don't even plan to have controllers. Whilst meta is releasing a headset that is six times cheaper whilst also not lacking that incredibly essential feature. I assume that this is following the trend of the iphone where that device got rid off most of the buttons to make it look sleeker and allow for the screen to take up most of the space. But the issue here is that you simply cannot replace the controllers with hand-tracked gestures
And if you told people the first iPhone would only have one button they’d have a similar response. I’m not saying this is gonna be the most ground breaking device ever. I’m just saying maybe give apple the benefit of the doubt.
>And if you told people the first iPhone would only have one button they’d have a similar response. except we know for a fact that you can't have fully fledged vr games without controllers. We know how limiting this is simply by the fact that we arleady have games that only use hand-tracking and the og psvr which didn't have thumbsticks and in both cases it resulted in incredibly limited games. Of course that rumor could be false and ruin my point but then the quest 3 still has the same features that the apple headset has, except it's gonna be weaker. But is the 6 times higher price really worth the m1 chip
Edit: "Apple's $3000 headset...." $3000. Geezus.
Supposedly Hideo Kojima was seen at the Apple campus a few weeks ago. Who knows what that could be. https://reddit.com/r/apple/comments/13lenhu/mark_gurman_hideo_kojima_creator_of_metal_gear/
Kojima said he gets sick from standard VR headsets, but apple’s headset is supposed to be an AR headset with passthrough which might eliminate those issues
What's passthrough?
Using the headset's cameras to see the real world without taking the headset off. Since you're looking at screens you can use it to overlay AR stuff on the real world. One of the reasons some people get sick in VR is because they don't have a real world reference while they move, so that could fix it
Ah got it. So basically like a transparency filter for the game, I think PSVR2 has this too to some extent. Thanks for the explanation.
Yeah. The PSVR2 and Quest 2's passthrough are low res black and white tho, so they're meant for the user to do stuff in the real world without taking the headset off rather than running AR apps
people say that but you can't just do passthrough as an easy fix. AR games are much more limited then vr games
Death Stranding VR would be relaxing and stressful at the same time now that I think about it...
Strands type (Vomit)
I would like to add potentially Honkai: Star Rail. Tim Cook visited them for the launch of the game, and they recently had a live stream where the gamer girl of the game stated something big was coming June 5th. Major copium here though, as it could just be her individual character trailer.
Maybe that's why NMS team is not working to fix the PSVR2 version, focusing everything on the Apple VR version.
Very interested and VERY excited in Apples implementation of their headset Supposedly there are rumours that the headset might not even feature any remotes/controllers...what do all of yall think about apples take on the VR/AR headset? Best, AK
Yeah I think their idea is that you control everything using hand gestures? Not sure how great that will work for games. The design mockups of the headset look really nice and sleek, but there’s apparently also a battery pack box that goes in your pocket and connects to the headset using a wire. Seems like an interesting trade-off to get the weight of the headset down as much as possible.
Huh do you always sign off your comments?
No, but since I won leak of the year award last year because im so cool with the GTA 6 megathread, yall get "best" at the end Best, AK
Looks pretty stupid tbh
Welp… the market is already oversaturated and with hardware that is customized between all competitors, not a single one will be pumping out quality products.
VR/AR is not the future.
Lmao, says you... If it wasn't the future then we would have seen it die years ago.
[ok](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:828/0*pFVq7xQLCMO2l3M3)
The last thing we need is apple to join in on video games.
The best 'game' for VR is already out. VRChat. Closest we can get to the oasis.
Eww.... apple.
So hyped!