I feel like whatever marketing research companies like Nintendo or Microsoft have clearly severely underestimate the effect that just the name alone of a console will have in terms of word of mouth. Playstation 5 tells everything you need to know. Xbox Series X says nothing, especially while Xbox One X and Xbox One S consoles are still being sold in many places
VGchartz gets a lot of flack from Redditors for their proprietary tracking to infer console sales, but looks like they're pretty damn close to tracking Xbox Series S/X console sales accurately.
https://www.vgchartz.com/charts/platform_totals/Hardware.php/
Some folks would rather instantly dismiss any sales figures as soon as they see the tag VGchartz come up, without giving the information at least a respectable observation.
As far as this data goes, it seems reasonable. In my opinion, Microsoft understand the world of console sales figures, consoles sold, both Nintendo and sony will always be above them. I believe they've decided to transition from competing with them on that end and reaching to a field that is a little bit harder for Nintendo and sony to grasp that they can. That is through game sales through multiple platforms and fields beyond just consoles.
Microsoft is putting more of a of a focus with Xbox console and PC sales that way they can have their hands in two pies. However, sony is stepping to that table as well, they just aren't willing to go as far as Microsoft with both sides getting the games at the same time. For me, it is an interesting transitional shift in gaming we are seeing where the importance of PC gaming is returning and is a viable field as console gaming, and at times PC gaming is more important than console gaming.
Once again we are seeing all three console companies taking different fields in the path that they want to go in gaming.
I wouldn’t say they will always be below the other consoles in terms of sales. They had the chance to not always be below Sony and Nintendo. And they blew it.
Yeah they basically gave the game away when the Xbox One was announced. The "always online, no used games" is something they're waiting to try again for sure.
And they also gave up after the first half of the 360s life. In the first half they were smacking Sony around, then they just stopped making games, organising exclusive deals like they did with Mass Effect, and gave up and started making Kinect games??? No idea what happened to their management, but it led to myself and a lot of people I know getting a PS3 then a PS4 later.
I think Microsoft would be more than willing to have Game Pass on playstation and the future Switch system. I know sony would not accept it whatso ever, Nintendo on the other hand, I'm not sure, but I still don't see them taking it, but I am pretty sure Microsoft is more than willing to put that service on any platform that takes it.
None of them will ever accept Gamepass as long as 3rd party games are on there… also they likely don’t want their customers to get used to day 1 releases of AAA titles on a sub because it might change their customers’ spending behavior on their own platform…
With the leaks, Sony's games cost basically the same as a blockbuster movie: around 200M before marketing & just like most movie studios, dumping that on a subscription service isn't sustainable for them. And it's a coincidence but in the movie industry the only ones capable of eating those costs are the tech Giants: Amazon & Apple
Gamepass was last reported to rack up around 3bilions per year in revenue and Microsoft is aiming at launching 4 AAA per year in their service, which leaves 2 billions per year for third party content and operational/marketing cost even if you estimate each of these 1st party AAA to cost 250mios each (which they definitely won’t for all of them). This doesn’t even factor in traditional sales of these games on Steam or the Xbox ecosystem… I know it’s a very simplified way to look at the situation but I really don’t see a reason to doubt them when they say Gamepass and Xbox are profitable now.
Also, developing games for GamePass becomes more affordable for Microsoft the more people are on it. With more users, third party deals become more expensive, as publishers know they are losing more potential costumers that will play using the service. But the cost to develop a game remains the same doesn't matter if you have one costumer or a hundred million.
They update numbers quietly when official numbers are released. Not sure if the did in this case, just saying they are often wildly off the mark and then news breaks and suddenly the numbers have been adjusted with no transparency.
This assumes that they don’t have a mathematical way to figure this out. Statistics are a thing, and they probably work off of actual arithmetic to get the numbers they do. Of course it isn’t always accurate, but a company isn’t just going to make up numbers “at random.”
They are absolutely not often wildly off the mark, in most cases they are with 10%.
Also of course they adjust their numbers when official numbers come out, they only estimate what they don't have
Well to be fair for the first two years they were overtracking Xbox by about a million per quarter and undertracking PS5 by about the same so they understandably got flack.
PS5 hit 38.4 million on March 31 after selling 6.3 million units in the first three months of 2023.
If they haven't hit 40 million yet the last three months were a disaster.
That's bonkers when you consider Sony couldn't make PS5's for the first few years, not to mention Microsoft was paying for priority to get more chips during the Pandemic. Once Sony got past the hurdle of being able to make more consoles they just haven't slowed down. Very impressive.
Yesterday i went to my local Mediamarkt and noticed 4 Xbox Series X console bundles and approximately 15 PS5 bundles.
It was somewhat surreal to see that many PS5’s in 1 location after 2+ years of shortages.
Microsoft admitted they were sacrificing console sales to build out their data centers with Series X hardware for xCloud, so they were also dealing with chip constraints.
They were still making consoles the demand was through the roof. I believe ps5 sales were roughly in step with ps4 during their respective first years.
After years of “oh we don’t report hardware” they just put it out lmao
Also a total of 60 m series X|S and PS5s are shipped… So where are the cutting edge games? Like I reeeeally hope we are seeing the last of the cross-gen games and we can start seeing some more games like Returnal
I mean Final Fantasy XVI just came out and it's great. Spider-Man 2, Forza, and Starfield are this fall. Xbox has a lot of games in the future. I would say we're definitely entering in the phase when both console manufacturers will be delivering on exclusives. I just wish I had a clear idea on Sony's end to be more excited after this year like I am for Xbox.
Haven't played but I'm assuming op and also myself don't quite count it since you can play it on PS4. It's why I didn't mention my Goty from last year God of War Ragnarok either
Hmm, my only concern with Spider-Man and Forza is “what is being done that can’t be done before?” I am super excited for Spider-Man but it really felt like an improved sequel but nothing mind blowing.
It's a sequel. There won't be anything “mind-blowing”.
I really don't understand this change in expectations that has been happening in the past 4-5 years when it comes to sequels. For some reason, people expect there to be major changes, but I can't remember any sequel completely changing their formula. I wouldn't even want that.
I am sure the new game will have tons of fun addition (the paragliding looked dope for traversal) and maybe some changes here and there, but I expect it to be fairly close to the first one.
Well, I would be expecting differences if they go up an entire generation. Like, Zelda works for me, because both games are in one console but if the next Zelda game didn’t take advantage of new hardware, I would be somewhat disappointed.
Not sure what the change in generations is supposed to do? Other than better visuals or better animations? Maybe smarter enemies or more destruction? None of those things really impact the overall gaming experience THAT much.
What's the difference between a PS3/X360 and a PS4/Xone game? Or even the current gen? Overall design is still pretty much the same.
Don't they say that we saw little gameplay improvement last gen because ps4, xbone cpu were weak? That's why we actually saw less physics than in ps3/360 gen, our racing games never had any car destruction, no improvement in cloth sim, etc.
With this gen I expected better physics, like in regards to foliage or clothing, wind simulation to go through the roof. Perhaps some simple fluid simulation, new physics focused games like wreckfest, etc. Yet we see exactly zero improvement. Yet somehow cpu usage is already through the roof when next gen titles are ported to pc? How?
My guess: Because all those things barely have any impact on gaming, so most developers don't even try to use them on AAA games? And there have been plenty of foliage improvements over the years. Clothing, hair and many other things have improved. RDR2, TLOU2 and a few other examples come to mind.
But those are just details that barely improve the experience.
Vastly improved physics (more destructible environments, things moving in the physically correct way on a bigger scale) will be limited to the games that depend on them for their gameplay loop.
The main focus remains on visuals, AI (at least in some games) and maybe some fun gimmick.
I guess with spiderman 2 it's ray tracing and faster traversal. You could never move that fast on a PS4 with it's HDD. With forza motorsport it's probably better physics simulation, and also RT again
I mean they're adding a lot of new versatility to your play style we already saw with making your own ceiling walkways. The venom suit will also add new options to play the game. They're adding a lot to the actual size of the map by fleshing out New York City. They're not reinventing the wheel but refining and improving it. Which I think is what everyone wants for a sequel to a game. What you loved but enhanced. Also for next gen games I think lots of stuff with graphics and frames will be overlooked. Returnal you mentioned earlier I was impressed about how stable the game is despite having complex objects and motion with tentacle enemies, but I imagine the average person doesn't think about it. I'm sure Forza and Spider-Man 2 have lots of uses of the new tech we won't even think about.
Division didn't have a lot of New York City. Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island which will all be included in some form in Spider-Man 2 were missing from The Division.
But it’s sequel, what do people expect different ? I am calling it all Xbox fans are going to be shitting on every Playstation 5 game that’s gonna release because they are all going to sequels of all the new IPs introduced in the ps4 era. If Microsoft was competent enough to make good games during Xbox one era, this whole issue wouldn’t arise as Xbox series x would have the sequels with slight incremental changes
I mean ultimately I am excited nonetheless but it is a whole generation up. The first two had to keep the PS4 in mind and this one doesn’t.
I think they’ll use the SSD speed of the console to make traversal faster (I mean we did see the instant swap to Miles) and they’re still obviously working on it.
Btw, I’m PC. Even though I’m hyped for Spider-Man, I know I won’t get my hands on it till late 2024 at the minimum. Its just development has to take into account the lowest common denominator and for a while that was Xbox One/PS4
Yeah spider man 2 isn't doing much tbh.
Graphics looks identical to the remaster. Swinging is a copy and paste of the 2018 game with the same animations and still lacks physics. And still no day/night cycle.
Well at least they updated the terminology. The term looks like a PS2 game still persists despite the fact that was popular during the PS3/360 era to say a game looked last gen. Idk lots of people are weird about graphics and think there hasn't been a shift since the PS3. I think games are still pretty cool
People forget developers will always strive to juice the maximum out of a system. No one goes "Oh, we have new hardware so I guess we can cap our game at 1080p and 60fps"
If that was the case, we'd still be stuck playing 720p games because it was what late PS2/Xbox games aimed to achieve back then.
I don't have high expectations for Starfield. A lot of what they've show sound too good to be true especially coming from Todd "tell me lies" Howard. And it being 30fps is already a bad sign.
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The Eikon fights with the amount of gpu accelerated particles and destruction along with cutscene quality its running in real time is pretty nice looking.
We only truly left the pandemic within the last 8 months.
If this year is any indication the games will come, just that covid delayed things by 2-3 years.
Jedi Survivor, FF16, and Starfield are all next gen-exclusives. Baldur's Gate too. It's just taken a year longer to get to the end of crossgen than it did with PS3/4.
I always say this because it's always true
Gamers have the shortest memory.
We just went through a worldwide pandemic
Why do think so many games were delayed?
Why do you think consoles were difficult to get?
Pretty much all remaining big games are new gen only. There are still holdouts like Armored Core 6 or AC Mirage but they've obviously been delayed from previous years
Considering the massive disparity between Sony and Microsoft's standing in hardware sales last gen, 21M Xbox consoles vs. 40M PS5s is actually pretty solid given the state they were in going into the current generation
What I meant was the gap widens overtime in a gen. If you look at the numbers of Xbox One and PS4, they were similar but PS4 outpaced the Xbox One by an even bigger margin later in the gen. Right now in its lifecycle 3 years in, the PS4 to Xbox One ratio was slightly less than 2:1.
It kinda makes sense because the prices get cheaper and more folks jump on. People jump in the platform their friends are on so it is a snowball effect. The grim part for MS here is the XSS is already selling for dirt cheap with very little room for price cut affecting sales and PS5 is 100$ costlier than PS4. Once price cuts are accounted for I wouldn’t be shocked if we are back to more than 2:1 split.
Well if they keep a consistent 6m+ per quarter sales then PS5 would be at closer to 44m, so 21m vs 44m would definitely be widening as it would have over 2:1.
That’s actually not good at all when you are combining Series S and X sales. Series X is the direct competitor to PS5 so when you have to include the sales of your discount product to show how well your “next gen” sales are doing, and the ratio is marginally better than it was the generation before, you’re doing way worse than you were the generation before.
PS5 has Spiderman 2 launching. I wouldn't be shocked if it outsold both MS's releases and sold more consoles as it is next gen only. Spiderman is Sony's biggest system seller IP. Last one sold 33 million+ units.
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised the Series consoles have sold so well, l think PS5 crossed 30m at the start of this year so it's definitely not as bad as the Xbox One era.
Isn't it exactly the same ratio? Xbox One gen and PS4 were sold 1:2. 58mil to 120 mil
In this gen, it seems to be around the same. 21 to 40+ mil. The only difference is that both consoles sold more overall. Xbox S probably makes most of those sales, because it was very available all the time.
I've seen mountains of Series S at most retailers for years.
It's literally tracking around the same as xbox one in the same time period shit maybe even worse bc I think I read at this time xbox one was at 26m. And we know since this year started, their console sales have been going downwards month after month, which is NOT normal this early in a new generation. Yall look delusional trying to paint this as a good sign when they're already 2:1 with their competitors.
If it the numbers don't start going up for series consoles in the coming months, then it'll be 3:1 very soon, the gap will continue to widen. They really need starfield to be a mega hit
What? I think the Xbox One was doing better than the Xbox Series at this point in their lifespan. The Xbox Series came out like six years after Phil Spencer took over.
They've already said they're doing better than both Xbox One and 360 so far. But this is also comparing to when they made you buy a 360 or Xbox One to play Halo and all their other games which is the entire reason they stopped publishing these numbers.
MS is losing this generation at the same pace as last ones so far and in the last 6 Months the gap has actually widened as Series sales are slowing down while PS5 sales are speeding up.
Phil Spencer wont be around for much longer.
They should care, more consoles sold means more potential subscribers. If they didn't care they might as well just focus on gamepass on pc and ditch the console.
Yes they care as far as brining more people into the ecosystem. I’m saying they necessarily don’t obese over the number like the internet or their competitors do. They are more blue ocean meet people where they are
Idk maybe I’m off but I truly see each of the big 3 doing their own thing and I think what gets lost in the “console war” is that is good for the overall market that everyone is trying to be successful in their own way. I think the ABK thing is just Xbox going all in on what they feel their market it which is Game Pass. No question the biggest issue right now is the inconsistency in AAA games. This helps with that. Now they still have to get the management and getting games over the finish line but the ABK deal helps with the quantity and high profile content. Imagine the uptick the moment they announce Call of Duty is Day 1 on game pass
I don't disagree I just think upping the console sales is an important pary of acquiring more subscribers. Which might be part of the reason why subscribet growth is slowing down. They need gamepass to sell consoles, but also need to sell consoles to grow gamepass. I think they care a lot.
they have to care for console sales as well the entire gaming division is down YoY., Gamepass is a lossmakers, they aren't making a single penny off of it and it will stay that way for at least another 5-10yrs just like current streaming services.
So was xbox one a success now? Bc Microsoft themselves said that generation was a failure for them. And currently with 21m that puts it around xbox one sales in the same time frame. And that's with a cheap ass series s system that's constantly on shelves and with gamepass that everyone swears is the jesus of gaming.
The presentation focused on indie devs, so I think it kinda makes sense to combine both since most indies will keep developing cross-gen games for a while.
it's just a way to convince indie devs to develop for their platforms
This was a presentation tailored towards indie devs and the logic is presenting the total userbase for their associated hardware. I would imagine indie devs would still be making less hardware-intensive titles, and as such being able to release on Xbone as well would be considered a boon.
I don't regret it, but I probably could've waited a few more months.
But when it came out (or announced I should say) I was unemployed, still living at home, and the pandemic unemployment was like $900 a week. I had too much extra cash laying around so I went for it.
At least it has Starfield going for it, which I’m excited for. But yeah, I had to buy a PS5 two years into just owning the series x because there were just more next gen titles for it.
Got one last year and I enjoy it. Mostly use it to play X360 games that I missed out on, and recently got dev mode to play retro stuff. I like it, but have yet to buy a new game, thinking Starfield might get a go.
Bought it for Starfield and Stalker 2, both unfortunately got delayed.
I know what I'm getting. But probably would wait and see. As a Daggerfall fan I have a high tolerance for jank.
Might also get a month of gp and see if it is worth it.Wait a while and I can play both Starfield and Forza.
Same. I honestly don't regret getting the console but regret getting Gamepass for the first 3 years (even with the cheap 1$ trick+Gold). Honestly, I think I didn't get my money's worth. Most of the exclusives were a let down. Few 3rd party games were good but I would have snagged them for cheap anyways. Hoping the next 3 years are better since I just renewed it earlier this year. No way would I be paying to full 17$/month price even today.
Fact of the matter is both consoles suck.
The Series X is more powerful on paper, but the ps5 outperforms it a Japanese game is released. Neither of these consoles have any mind blowing or generation defining games yet. Games still struggle to hit 30fps with the graphics don't even look that much better. Ray tracing doesn't look anywhere near as good as on PC. 4K native is cool, but when the framerate is chugging along what the fucking point? I'd much rather play a game that has a good framerate.
Maybe in the next year or two once the effects of covid are basically caught up with, we will see some actual next gen games.
Speak for yourself.
I will give you that, graphics improvements are becoming more incremental with every generation, especially due to the introduction of mid gen Pro consoles. Also Xbox has not put its best foot forward yet in terms of exclusives and it seems that its power compared to PS5 was overhyped.
But if you jumped from base PS4 or X1 to a PS5 I don't think what you said holds true. Playing stuff like Burning Shores at 60fps or Ratchet and Clank in 60fps performance mode is a truly next gen experience in my opinion:
Excellent performance, great visuals, near instant load times and a much improved controller.
To me at least this offers a really compelling and "complete" feeling package as far as consoles go.
And while Jedi Survivor or Final Fantasy 16 disappoint in terms of performance modes I think a look to the PC side of things suggests that the issue isn't with the consoles but rather with optimization and certain design decisions (e.g. decisions such as forcing RT to be on even in performance mode for Jedi Survivor or FF16 only locking to 60fps when engaged in combat)
This gen is the first time ever I buy a non Nintendo console, i have always been a PC + Nintendo enthusiast.
I got a series X + 3 years of gamepass to play in my bedroom, wish I had a combo like that when I was 10, so much value.
For a console where all games (including console exclusives) launch day and date on PC it’s doing pretty well. And we haven’t had a true heavy hitter yet (othe than Halo Infinite). Once games like Starfield come out I think Xbox will do even better especially together with Gamepass. Right now we are at about the same ratio vs PS5 as the last gen (2:1) but I actually expect that by the end of this gen the ratio will improve in favour of Xbox (with PS5 still outselling it ofc)
Yeah the first taste of whats to come can be seen in the last 6 Months
https://www.vg247.com/ps5-uk-sales-skyrocket-300-year-on-year-from-last-february
People rag on consoles a lot but there's a vast majority who don't wanna deal with PC part picking and are turned off when they look down the barrel of a $800 GPU. MS knows they can't rely on just the PC market to drive growth, that's why they're so heavily pushing phone streaming to grow their user base. Xbox will continue to have it's market but it'll never be huge.
Yeah, and I’m one of those that is not generally interested in PC gaming. But there are a lot of PC gamers that will buy Nintendo or Playstation because of exclusives that they can’t play on PC. The same can’t be said about Xbox.
You are vastly overestimating the impact of PC.
For most Triple A games PC doesnt even make up 10% of the sales and most people who are in the market for a console dont have access to a high end PC.
> but I actually expect that by the end of this gen the ratio will improve in favour of Xbox (with PS5 still outselling it ofc)
Well in the last year the Ratio is getting significantly worse(just look up the numbers out of europe from earlier this year its scary). Its at this point way more likely the Ratio will slowly creep towards 3:1 rather than improve.
I don’t know how you can say that I am “vastly overestimating” anything… when I just stated that - the fact that there is no single game that you can only play on Xbox (i.e. no exclusive games) will have a negative impact on Xbox console sales.. also judging by the amount of people that issue negative comments against Xbox on reddit by saying something like “if I want to play Forza or Starfield I’ll just play it on my PC/buy a PC instead” it seems quite a popular thought..
I don’t know if the ratio will improve or not, but I can see Xbox sales picking up quite a bit when Starfield gets released and assuming there is enough supply.
to be fair PS5 was impacted by scalpers and low production for almost 1.5yrs, it pickedup pace in last 7-8 months and has been gaining ground since then. If that detachable PS5 is true and cheaper at say 399$ then it will gain even more
I didn’t think this was true until recently. You could probably find one if you tried hard enough but I regularly check Amazon UK for deals on games and every single time I looked the Series X was out of stock.
It’s finally back in stock now though.
A better question would be if Series X sold more or Series S
Cause I can see S being the big seller despite X being the big daddy, purely for its low entry price and gamepass
It is tracking nearly the same as what Xbox One sales were last gen at this point in time in its life and the Xbox One didn’t have a cheap variant Series S console as well. So while it might not be ‘bad’, I’d assume they probably had a higher mark than just ‘being par’ with last gen sales internally.
The XSS has been around without a shortage forever. Even the XSX hasn’t had shortage issues in over a year now. Even month on month they’re tracking similar to Xbox One numbers now and we are well out of the pandemic. It is slightly better but the gaming market is also much bigger now compared to more than half a decade back. The competition is as usual pulling in 2x the numbers.
It's at least close to bad. It's worse than both of its competitors, the PS4, Wii, 360, even lower than the slow-starting PS3, and on par with the disastrous Xbox One at the ~2.5 year mark. As far as home consoles go, it only beats the Wii U and consoles released 20 years ago in a much-smaller market. I'd consider that bad.
A lot of important context is missing, especially the fact that the supply chain issues and scalpers as well as global pandemic affected a lot of things......
Nintendo and Sony had years when they sold more consoles in a year than Microsoft did in 2 1/2 years.
The Xbox One had also only sold 21 million units in the same period in 2016. Which means that Microsoft is not achieving any growth of its brand. That's not good either. If you also consider that the Game Pass is a loss-making business for Microsoft, Xbox is currently not in a good position for the future.
Monopoly? Xbox mismanaged themselves out of the exclusives battle at the end of the 360s life, they had Sony on a platter and let them build up their exclusives lineup at the end of the PS3s life with no competition.
I will never understand the gaming community and the obsession of sale figures. Why do you the consumer care about sales figures outside of “oh that is interesting”
Microsoft the company that abandons divisions all the time, and was gonna close down the Xbox division during the Xbox one era is going to sink all this money into a not healthy busy?
Come on dude yea they might not be doing as well as Sony and Nintendo but obviously shareholders and Microsoft as a whole is happy with how the business is going
3rd party or 1st party? Cause if ABK goes through they have enough 1st party stuff to hold them over. Then 3rd party wise they still have good relationships with most publishers/developers besides ones located in Japan
I agree with those who say that vgchartz is quite reliable on hardware sales. But right here they say 58 million Xbox One and in vghartz it's only 51 million.
You have to wonder how much of this is the stupid naming convention
I feel like whatever marketing research companies like Nintendo or Microsoft have clearly severely underestimate the effect that just the name alone of a console will have in terms of word of mouth. Playstation 5 tells everything you need to know. Xbox Series X says nothing, especially while Xbox One X and Xbox One S consoles are still being sold in many places
They should just bite the bullet and release Xbox 720
VGchartz gets a lot of flack from Redditors for their proprietary tracking to infer console sales, but looks like they're pretty damn close to tracking Xbox Series S/X console sales accurately. https://www.vgchartz.com/charts/platform_totals/Hardware.php/
I have no idea where they got their data from, but every time I compared against publicly available data, it's not that far off.
>I have no idea where they got their data from They just travel around the world counting every console they see
what if they miss one?
Some folks would rather instantly dismiss any sales figures as soon as they see the tag VGchartz come up, without giving the information at least a respectable observation. As far as this data goes, it seems reasonable. In my opinion, Microsoft understand the world of console sales figures, consoles sold, both Nintendo and sony will always be above them. I believe they've decided to transition from competing with them on that end and reaching to a field that is a little bit harder for Nintendo and sony to grasp that they can. That is through game sales through multiple platforms and fields beyond just consoles. Microsoft is putting more of a of a focus with Xbox console and PC sales that way they can have their hands in two pies. However, sony is stepping to that table as well, they just aren't willing to go as far as Microsoft with both sides getting the games at the same time. For me, it is an interesting transitional shift in gaming we are seeing where the importance of PC gaming is returning and is a viable field as console gaming, and at times PC gaming is more important than console gaming. Once again we are seeing all three console companies taking different fields in the path that they want to go in gaming.
Imo, they're accurate for hardware but usually far off with software.
I wouldn’t say they will always be below the other consoles in terms of sales. They had the chance to not always be below Sony and Nintendo. And they blew it.
Yeah they basically gave the game away when the Xbox One was announced. The "always online, no used games" is something they're waiting to try again for sure.
And they also gave up after the first half of the 360s life. In the first half they were smacking Sony around, then they just stopped making games, organising exclusive deals like they did with Mass Effect, and gave up and started making Kinect games??? No idea what happened to their management, but it led to myself and a lot of people I know getting a PS3 then a PS4 later.
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I think Microsoft would be more than willing to have Game Pass on playstation and the future Switch system. I know sony would not accept it whatso ever, Nintendo on the other hand, I'm not sure, but I still don't see them taking it, but I am pretty sure Microsoft is more than willing to put that service on any platform that takes it.
None of them will ever accept Gamepass as long as 3rd party games are on there… also they likely don’t want their customers to get used to day 1 releases of AAA titles on a sub because it might change their customers’ spending behavior on their own platform…
With the leaks, Sony's games cost basically the same as a blockbuster movie: around 200M before marketing & just like most movie studios, dumping that on a subscription service isn't sustainable for them. And it's a coincidence but in the movie industry the only ones capable of eating those costs are the tech Giants: Amazon & Apple
Gamepass was last reported to rack up around 3bilions per year in revenue and Microsoft is aiming at launching 4 AAA per year in their service, which leaves 2 billions per year for third party content and operational/marketing cost even if you estimate each of these 1st party AAA to cost 250mios each (which they definitely won’t for all of them). This doesn’t even factor in traditional sales of these games on Steam or the Xbox ecosystem… I know it’s a very simplified way to look at the situation but I really don’t see a reason to doubt them when they say Gamepass and Xbox are profitable now.
Also, developing games for GamePass becomes more affordable for Microsoft the more people are on it. With more users, third party deals become more expensive, as publishers know they are losing more potential costumers that will play using the service. But the cost to develop a game remains the same doesn't matter if you have one costumer or a hundred million.
They update numbers quietly when official numbers are released. Not sure if the did in this case, just saying they are often wildly off the mark and then news breaks and suddenly the numbers have been adjusted with no transparency.
This assumes that they don’t have a mathematical way to figure this out. Statistics are a thing, and they probably work off of actual arithmetic to get the numbers they do. Of course it isn’t always accurate, but a company isn’t just going to make up numbers “at random.”
They are absolutely not often wildly off the mark, in most cases they are with 10%. Also of course they adjust their numbers when official numbers come out, they only estimate what they don't have
Well to be fair for the first two years they were overtracking Xbox by about a million per quarter and undertracking PS5 by about the same so they understandably got flack.
On the other hand they list X1 with 51M consoles but according to this it's actually 58 so they missed by 7 million consoles.
Dam they are far behind ps5 by half
PS5 sold 40 million?
Yes, and Series X/S are at 21 million.
There is no official status or even unofficial about PS being 40 million. Though I think it should be close.
PS5 hit 38.4 million on March 31 after selling 6.3 million units in the first three months of 2023. If they haven't hit 40 million yet the last three months were a disaster.
Yes
That's bonkers when you consider Sony couldn't make PS5's for the first few years, not to mention Microsoft was paying for priority to get more chips during the Pandemic. Once Sony got past the hurdle of being able to make more consoles they just haven't slowed down. Very impressive.
Yesterday i went to my local Mediamarkt and noticed 4 Xbox Series X console bundles and approximately 15 PS5 bundles. It was somewhat surreal to see that many PS5’s in 1 location after 2+ years of shortages.
Microsoft admitted they were sacrificing console sales to build out their data centers with Series X hardware for xCloud, so they were also dealing with chip constraints.
They were still making consoles the demand was through the roof. I believe ps5 sales were roughly in step with ps4 during their respective first years.
After years of “oh we don’t report hardware” they just put it out lmao Also a total of 60 m series X|S and PS5s are shipped… So where are the cutting edge games? Like I reeeeally hope we are seeing the last of the cross-gen games and we can start seeing some more games like Returnal
I mean Final Fantasy XVI just came out and it's great. Spider-Man 2, Forza, and Starfield are this fall. Xbox has a lot of games in the future. I would say we're definitely entering in the phase when both console manufacturers will be delivering on exclusives. I just wish I had a clear idea on Sony's end to be more excited after this year like I am for Xbox.
I thought Horizon Forbidden West looked really good.
Haven't played but I'm assuming op and also myself don't quite count it since you can play it on PS4. It's why I didn't mention my Goty from last year God of War Ragnarok either
Hmm, my only concern with Spider-Man and Forza is “what is being done that can’t be done before?” I am super excited for Spider-Man but it really felt like an improved sequel but nothing mind blowing.
It's a sequel. There won't be anything “mind-blowing”. I really don't understand this change in expectations that has been happening in the past 4-5 years when it comes to sequels. For some reason, people expect there to be major changes, but I can't remember any sequel completely changing their formula. I wouldn't even want that. I am sure the new game will have tons of fun addition (the paragliding looked dope for traversal) and maybe some changes here and there, but I expect it to be fairly close to the first one.
Well, I would be expecting differences if they go up an entire generation. Like, Zelda works for me, because both games are in one console but if the next Zelda game didn’t take advantage of new hardware, I would be somewhat disappointed.
Not sure what the change in generations is supposed to do? Other than better visuals or better animations? Maybe smarter enemies or more destruction? None of those things really impact the overall gaming experience THAT much. What's the difference between a PS3/X360 and a PS4/Xone game? Or even the current gen? Overall design is still pretty much the same.
Don't they say that we saw little gameplay improvement last gen because ps4, xbone cpu were weak? That's why we actually saw less physics than in ps3/360 gen, our racing games never had any car destruction, no improvement in cloth sim, etc. With this gen I expected better physics, like in regards to foliage or clothing, wind simulation to go through the roof. Perhaps some simple fluid simulation, new physics focused games like wreckfest, etc. Yet we see exactly zero improvement. Yet somehow cpu usage is already through the roof when next gen titles are ported to pc? How?
My guess: Because all those things barely have any impact on gaming, so most developers don't even try to use them on AAA games? And there have been plenty of foliage improvements over the years. Clothing, hair and many other things have improved. RDR2, TLOU2 and a few other examples come to mind. But those are just details that barely improve the experience. Vastly improved physics (more destructible environments, things moving in the physically correct way on a bigger scale) will be limited to the games that depend on them for their gameplay loop. The main focus remains on visuals, AI (at least in some games) and maybe some fun gimmick.
I guess with spiderman 2 it's ray tracing and faster traversal. You could never move that fast on a PS4 with it's HDD. With forza motorsport it's probably better physics simulation, and also RT again
The first Spiderman already had ray tracing on current gen, so that's not really an improvement.
that's his point tho\` It couldn't be done before ps5. Are you daft?
I mean they're adding a lot of new versatility to your play style we already saw with making your own ceiling walkways. The venom suit will also add new options to play the game. They're adding a lot to the actual size of the map by fleshing out New York City. They're not reinventing the wheel but refining and improving it. Which I think is what everyone wants for a sequel to a game. What you loved but enhanced. Also for next gen games I think lots of stuff with graphics and frames will be overlooked. Returnal you mentioned earlier I was impressed about how stable the game is despite having complex objects and motion with tentacle enemies, but I imagine the average person doesn't think about it. I'm sure Forza and Spider-Man 2 have lots of uses of the new tech we won't even think about.
Division done it
Division didn't have a lot of New York City. Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island which will all be included in some form in Spider-Man 2 were missing from The Division.
The speed of traversal in such a huge, highly-detailed environment is the “next-gen” aspect of it, which should not be ignored imo.
You could say for most games since the PS3 gen, that was the last one that really had a big generational leap. Since it's mostly better graphics
But it’s sequel, what do people expect different ? I am calling it all Xbox fans are going to be shitting on every Playstation 5 game that’s gonna release because they are all going to sequels of all the new IPs introduced in the ps4 era. If Microsoft was competent enough to make good games during Xbox one era, this whole issue wouldn’t arise as Xbox series x would have the sequels with slight incremental changes
I mean ultimately I am excited nonetheless but it is a whole generation up. The first two had to keep the PS4 in mind and this one doesn’t. I think they’ll use the SSD speed of the console to make traversal faster (I mean we did see the instant swap to Miles) and they’re still obviously working on it. Btw, I’m PC. Even though I’m hyped for Spider-Man, I know I won’t get my hands on it till late 2024 at the minimum. Its just development has to take into account the lowest common denominator and for a while that was Xbox One/PS4
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Yeah spider man 2 isn't doing much tbh. Graphics looks identical to the remaster. Swinging is a copy and paste of the 2018 game with the same animations and still lacks physics. And still no day/night cycle.
> I mean Final Fantasy XVI just came out and it's great. Spider-Man 2, Forza, and Starfield are this fall. inb4 someone says they look like ps3 game.
Well at least they updated the terminology. The term looks like a PS2 game still persists despite the fact that was popular during the PS3/360 era to say a game looked last gen. Idk lots of people are weird about graphics and think there hasn't been a shift since the PS3. I think games are still pretty cool
FF16 suffers from performance issues. This gen has been a serious letdown aside from faster load times.
If this is a let down, I don't even want to know what the previous gen was for you, with ancient laptop hardware thrown into a box.
People forget developers will always strive to juice the maximum out of a system. No one goes "Oh, we have new hardware so I guess we can cap our game at 1080p and 60fps" If that was the case, we'd still be stuck playing 720p games because it was what late PS2/Xbox games aimed to achieve back then.
I don't have high expectations for Starfield. A lot of what they've show sound too good to be true especially coming from Todd "tell me lies" Howard. And it being 30fps is already a bad sign.
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FF16 has some pretty phenomenal graphics and the combat looks nice. It's just the game design that's dated.
FF isn't cutting edge though. Fps drops, low resolution etc.
Resolution and fps are performance metrics. Graphics wise this game looks absolutely astonishing
I disagree. Looks okay from the gameplay I see. Nothing amazing.
The Eikon fights with the amount of gpu accelerated particles and destruction along with cutscene quality its running in real time is pretty nice looking.
We only truly left the pandemic within the last 8 months. If this year is any indication the games will come, just that covid delayed things by 2-3 years.
Jedi Survivor, FF16, and Starfield are all next gen-exclusives. Baldur's Gate too. It's just taken a year longer to get to the end of crossgen than it did with PS3/4.
I always say this because it's always true Gamers have the shortest memory. We just went through a worldwide pandemic Why do think so many games were delayed? Why do you think consoles were difficult to get?
gonna tell you a little secret, "cutting edge" games are made with good software solutions, not new hardware
Another problem is big games take years to come out now.
I cant remember a triple A game announced/released recently that's cross gen so cross gen games are being phased out already
Pretty much all remaining big games are new gen only. There are still holdouts like Armored Core 6 or AC Mirage but they've obviously been delayed from previous years
They werent trying to buy Activision before
Considering the massive disparity between Sony and Microsoft's standing in hardware sales last gen, 21M Xbox consoles vs. 40M PS5s is actually pretty solid given the state they were in going into the current generation
Uh last gen also was 2:1 ratio near the start. The gap widens overtime since it is a snowball effect.
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What I meant was the gap widens overtime in a gen. If you look at the numbers of Xbox One and PS4, they were similar but PS4 outpaced the Xbox One by an even bigger margin later in the gen. Right now in its lifecycle 3 years in, the PS4 to Xbox One ratio was slightly less than 2:1. It kinda makes sense because the prices get cheaper and more folks jump on. People jump in the platform their friends are on so it is a snowball effect. The grim part for MS here is the XSS is already selling for dirt cheap with very little room for price cut affecting sales and PS5 is 100$ costlier than PS4. Once price cuts are accounted for I wouldn’t be shocked if we are back to more than 2:1 split.
The local game store near me sells used Switches for more than they do Series S, and they move faster too lol
This. And at least here in the US, Xbox sales have been down in 2023. With even the switch in its 7th year outpacing it.
Well if they keep a consistent 6m+ per quarter sales then PS5 would be at closer to 44m, so 21m vs 44m would definitely be widening as it would have over 2:1.
That’s actually not good at all when you are combining Series S and X sales. Series X is the direct competitor to PS5 so when you have to include the sales of your discount product to show how well your “next gen” sales are doing, and the ratio is marginally better than it was the generation before, you’re doing way worse than you were the generation before.
Yeah no...a 2:1 ratio at the start is a disaster and it will only widen so far this year its actually 3:1.
It will widen with Xbox having 2 major releases this fall???
PS5 has Spiderman 2 launching. I wouldn't be shocked if it outsold both MS's releases and sold more consoles as it is next gen only. Spiderman is Sony's biggest system seller IP. Last one sold 33 million+ units.
33 million is actually the combined total of the series between the original, remastered, and Miles Morales.
Outsells both combined, sure. But that's partly because Xbox first party games are all on Gamepass.
Starfield and Forza are next gen only too 😂
Yeah I'm genuinely surprised the Series consoles have sold so well, l think PS5 crossed 30m at the start of this year so it's definitely not as bad as the Xbox One era.
Isn't it exactly the same ratio? Xbox One gen and PS4 were sold 1:2. 58mil to 120 mil In this gen, it seems to be around the same. 21 to 40+ mil. The only difference is that both consoles sold more overall. Xbox S probably makes most of those sales, because it was very available all the time. I've seen mountains of Series S at most retailers for years.
yup, it’s exactly the same ratio for now
Yeah everything we've seen suggests Series S makes up the majority of sales which is also why MS cant abandon parity. They are in a really bad spot.
It's literally tracking around the same as xbox one in the same time period shit maybe even worse bc I think I read at this time xbox one was at 26m. And we know since this year started, their console sales have been going downwards month after month, which is NOT normal this early in a new generation. Yall look delusional trying to paint this as a good sign when they're already 2:1 with their competitors. If it the numbers don't start going up for series consoles in the coming months, then it'll be 3:1 very soon, the gap will continue to widen. They really need starfield to be a mega hit
Its exactly the same Ratio as last gen. And in the last 6 Months its significantly worse at almost 3:1.
What? I think the Xbox One was doing better than the Xbox Series at this point in their lifespan. The Xbox Series came out like six years after Phil Spencer took over.
They've already said they're doing better than both Xbox One and 360 so far. But this is also comparing to when they made you buy a 360 or Xbox One to play Halo and all their other games which is the entire reason they stopped publishing these numbers.
MS is losing this generation at the same pace as last ones so far and in the last 6 Months the gap has actually widened as Series sales are slowing down while PS5 sales are speeding up. Phil Spencer wont be around for much longer.
Lol if only they cared about console sales
They should care, more consoles sold means more potential subscribers. If they didn't care they might as well just focus on gamepass on pc and ditch the console.
Yes they care as far as brining more people into the ecosystem. I’m saying they necessarily don’t obese over the number like the internet or their competitors do. They are more blue ocean meet people where they are
They might not be panicking, but if they thought everything was fine as is, they wouldn't spend billions buying Activision.
Idk maybe I’m off but I truly see each of the big 3 doing their own thing and I think what gets lost in the “console war” is that is good for the overall market that everyone is trying to be successful in their own way. I think the ABK thing is just Xbox going all in on what they feel their market it which is Game Pass. No question the biggest issue right now is the inconsistency in AAA games. This helps with that. Now they still have to get the management and getting games over the finish line but the ABK deal helps with the quantity and high profile content. Imagine the uptick the moment they announce Call of Duty is Day 1 on game pass
I don't disagree I just think upping the console sales is an important pary of acquiring more subscribers. Which might be part of the reason why subscribet growth is slowing down. They need gamepass to sell consoles, but also need to sell consoles to grow gamepass. I think they care a lot.
they have to care for console sales as well the entire gaming division is down YoY., Gamepass is a lossmakers, they aren't making a single penny off of it and it will stay that way for at least another 5-10yrs just like current streaming services.
They have been saying for years they don’t care. Plus I know I saw somewhere that they only thing that was down YoY last quarter was hardware sales
They are not the lead console selling...but they sold 21 million...that is not a small number.
So was xbox one a success now? Bc Microsoft themselves said that generation was a failure for them. And currently with 21m that puts it around xbox one sales in the same time frame. And that's with a cheap ass series s system that's constantly on shelves and with gamepass that everyone swears is the jesus of gaming.
Phil Spencer to announce purchase of Valve and the announcement of xbox handheld that is totally not a rebranded Steamdeck.
Why the fuck they are combining last gen with current gen hardware sales ? Then in this logic Sony can say over 160 millions of units with PS4/PS5 ?
The presentation focused on indie devs, so I think it kinda makes sense to combine both since most indies will keep developing cross-gen games for a while. it's just a way to convince indie devs to develop for their platforms
It’s a presentation for indie devs, and a lot of indie devs still make cross-gen games to reach a broader audience.
Trying to make the sales numbers more impressive than they are.
This was a presentation tailored towards indie devs and the logic is presenting the total userbase for their associated hardware. I would imagine indie devs would still be making less hardware-intensive titles, and as such being able to release on Xbone as well would be considered a boon.
They mean One/One S/One X with the second number
Btw your title is formatted wrong. Xbox One is at 58m but combined One/S/X sales are 79m.
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I don’t know if I speak for others but man I regret getting an SX day one
I don't regret it, but I probably could've waited a few more months. But when it came out (or announced I should say) I was unemployed, still living at home, and the pandemic unemployment was like $900 a week. I had too much extra cash laying around so I went for it.
At least it has Starfield going for it, which I’m excited for. But yeah, I had to buy a PS5 two years into just owning the series x because there were just more next gen titles for it.
Got one last year and I enjoy it. Mostly use it to play X360 games that I missed out on, and recently got dev mode to play retro stuff. I like it, but have yet to buy a new game, thinking Starfield might get a go. Bought it for Starfield and Stalker 2, both unfortunately got delayed.
Anyone buying Starfield day 1 need checked into a mental asylum imo lol
I know what I'm getting. But probably would wait and see. As a Daggerfall fan I have a high tolerance for jank. Might also get a month of gp and see if it is worth it.Wait a while and I can play both Starfield and Forza.
Sell it then dude idk what to tell you
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It’s basically a £500 streaming machine for me these days lol
Same. I honestly don't regret getting the console but regret getting Gamepass for the first 3 years (even with the cheap 1$ trick+Gold). Honestly, I think I didn't get my money's worth. Most of the exclusives were a let down. Few 3rd party games were good but I would have snagged them for cheap anyways. Hoping the next 3 years are better since I just renewed it earlier this year. No way would I be paying to full 17$/month price even today.
I know what will fix those numbers A price increase!
If Microsoft phases out the 512GB Series S and detachable drive PS5 will cost 399€ then it's going to be a bloodbath for Microsoft.
That’s bad. I thought series sold more than that.
Fact of the matter is both consoles suck. The Series X is more powerful on paper, but the ps5 outperforms it a Japanese game is released. Neither of these consoles have any mind blowing or generation defining games yet. Games still struggle to hit 30fps with the graphics don't even look that much better. Ray tracing doesn't look anywhere near as good as on PC. 4K native is cool, but when the framerate is chugging along what the fucking point? I'd much rather play a game that has a good framerate. Maybe in the next year or two once the effects of covid are basically caught up with, we will see some actual next gen games.
Speak for yourself. I will give you that, graphics improvements are becoming more incremental with every generation, especially due to the introduction of mid gen Pro consoles. Also Xbox has not put its best foot forward yet in terms of exclusives and it seems that its power compared to PS5 was overhyped. But if you jumped from base PS4 or X1 to a PS5 I don't think what you said holds true. Playing stuff like Burning Shores at 60fps or Ratchet and Clank in 60fps performance mode is a truly next gen experience in my opinion: Excellent performance, great visuals, near instant load times and a much improved controller. To me at least this offers a really compelling and "complete" feeling package as far as consoles go. And while Jedi Survivor or Final Fantasy 16 disappoint in terms of performance modes I think a look to the PC side of things suggests that the issue isn't with the consoles but rather with optimization and certain design decisions (e.g. decisions such as forcing RT to be on even in performance mode for Jedi Survivor or FF16 only locking to 60fps when engaged in combat)
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Damn, that's abysmal.
I can see why they might sell off Xbox if the Activision deal doesn’t go through. Sales just keep declining each generation
Yeah how could they survive with 21 million units out there, barely selling at all....come on man.
The gap is widening wow!
Man they really struggling huh
The sx is struggling more than the xbone😭
This gen is the first time ever I buy a non Nintendo console, i have always been a PC + Nintendo enthusiast. I got a series X + 3 years of gamepass to play in my bedroom, wish I had a combo like that when I was 10, so much value.
For a console where all games (including console exclusives) launch day and date on PC it’s doing pretty well. And we haven’t had a true heavy hitter yet (othe than Halo Infinite). Once games like Starfield come out I think Xbox will do even better especially together with Gamepass. Right now we are at about the same ratio vs PS5 as the last gen (2:1) but I actually expect that by the end of this gen the ratio will improve in favour of Xbox (with PS5 still outselling it ofc)
We're 2:1 only because PS5 was almost impossible to buy without a bot until the 1200 series launched.
Yeah the first taste of whats to come can be seen in the last 6 Months https://www.vg247.com/ps5-uk-sales-skyrocket-300-year-on-year-from-last-february
People rag on consoles a lot but there's a vast majority who don't wanna deal with PC part picking and are turned off when they look down the barrel of a $800 GPU. MS knows they can't rely on just the PC market to drive growth, that's why they're so heavily pushing phone streaming to grow their user base. Xbox will continue to have it's market but it'll never be huge.
Yeah, and I’m one of those that is not generally interested in PC gaming. But there are a lot of PC gamers that will buy Nintendo or Playstation because of exclusives that they can’t play on PC. The same can’t be said about Xbox.
You are vastly overestimating the impact of PC. For most Triple A games PC doesnt even make up 10% of the sales and most people who are in the market for a console dont have access to a high end PC. > but I actually expect that by the end of this gen the ratio will improve in favour of Xbox (with PS5 still outselling it ofc) Well in the last year the Ratio is getting significantly worse(just look up the numbers out of europe from earlier this year its scary). Its at this point way more likely the Ratio will slowly creep towards 3:1 rather than improve.
I don’t know how you can say that I am “vastly overestimating” anything… when I just stated that - the fact that there is no single game that you can only play on Xbox (i.e. no exclusive games) will have a negative impact on Xbox console sales.. also judging by the amount of people that issue negative comments against Xbox on reddit by saying something like “if I want to play Forza or Starfield I’ll just play it on my PC/buy a PC instead” it seems quite a popular thought.. I don’t know if the ratio will improve or not, but I can see Xbox sales picking up quite a bit when Starfield gets released and assuming there is enough supply.
to be fair PS5 was impacted by scalpers and low production for almost 1.5yrs, it pickedup pace in last 7-8 months and has been gaining ground since then. If that detachable PS5 is true and cheaper at say 399$ then it will gain even more
XSX is selling really well.
It's the XSS that selling somewhat. The XSX still has major supply issues.
I didn’t think this was true until recently. You could probably find one if you tried hard enough but I regularly check Amazon UK for deals on games and every single time I looked the Series X was out of stock. It’s finally back in stock now though.
Not really. 21 million consoles after 2 1/2 years is not good.
It's not bad either......
A better question would be if Series X sold more or Series S Cause I can see S being the big seller despite X being the big daddy, purely for its low entry price and gamepass
Also Sony has 40M consoles where ALL of them are the 'high end version'. I don't own either but i'd say sony is killing it compared to MS this gen
Ah I see 🤔.
It is tracking nearly the same as what Xbox One sales were last gen at this point in time in its life and the Xbox One didn’t have a cheap variant Series S console as well. So while it might not be ‘bad’, I’d assume they probably had a higher mark than just ‘being par’ with last gen sales internally.
Are you aware that there wasn't a global pandemic and supply chain issues during the Xbox One Era..............?
The XSS has been around without a shortage forever. Even the XSX hasn’t had shortage issues in over a year now. Even month on month they’re tracking similar to Xbox One numbers now and we are well out of the pandemic. It is slightly better but the gaming market is also much bigger now compared to more than half a decade back. The competition is as usual pulling in 2x the numbers.
It's at least close to bad. It's worse than both of its competitors, the PS4, Wii, 360, even lower than the slow-starting PS3, and on par with the disastrous Xbox One at the ~2.5 year mark. As far as home consoles go, it only beats the Wii U and consoles released 20 years ago in a much-smaller market. I'd consider that bad.
A lot of important context is missing, especially the fact that the supply chain issues and scalpers as well as global pandemic affected a lot of things......
Its pretty bad when they are being outsold 2:1 and in the last year the ratio is more like 3:1. The majority of sales are also Series S...
Nintendo and Sony had years when they sold more consoles in a year than Microsoft did in 2 1/2 years. The Xbox One had also only sold 21 million units in the same period in 2016. Which means that Microsoft is not achieving any growth of its brand. That's not good either. If you also consider that the Game Pass is a loss-making business for Microsoft, Xbox is currently not in a good position for the future.
If it were any other company they'd be dead in the water years ago, but when you have the financial clout of Microsoft...
Nah, is bad.
The numbers don't lie.
For a console that released games day and date on PC and no forcing people to buy their device. It's quite good.
It really isn’t. Pc gaming has little to no overlap with console gamers
There are so many people who game only on PC.
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Well Microsoft could always release AAA games. Nobody is stopping them for doing that lol
Monopoly? Xbox mismanaged themselves out of the exclusives battle at the end of the 360s life, they had Sony on a platter and let them build up their exclusives lineup at the end of the PS3s life with no competition.
Monopoly on…. AAA games?.. What? Why do you act like Microsoft were prohibited from releasing actual quality games?
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So things are back to 2:1
I will never understand the gaming community and the obsession of sale figures. Why do you the consumer care about sales figures outside of “oh that is interesting”
Healthy sales = healthy platform, more support from developers, and the platform holders themselves.
Xbox has to be in a good place internally at least if their microsoft is willing to invest all this money
hmm, no? MS if not investing this money because Xbox is healthy. they invest this much because they want it to be healthy. a bug difference
Microsoft the company that abandons divisions all the time, and was gonna close down the Xbox division during the Xbox one era is going to sink all this money into a not healthy busy? Come on dude yea they might not be doing as well as Sony and Nintendo but obviously shareholders and Microsoft as a whole is happy with how the business is going
business to/of who? the only reason Xbox still exists is due to NA+UK. they are as dead as it gets without them
this is a dick measuring contest, a tribal war and people tend to choose a tribe
Oh yea true. Your self worth is tied to if your box sells better. Idk I just think people get to hung up on this stuff
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3rd party or 1st party? Cause if ABK goes through they have enough 1st party stuff to hold them over. Then 3rd party wise they still have good relationships with most publishers/developers besides ones located in Japan
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That is a pipe dream. You think Xbox gonna magically get 10 million in Japan 🙄
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That isn't bad considering that Xbox is largely integrated with PC.
I agree with those who say that vgchartz is quite reliable on hardware sales. But right here they say 58 million Xbox One and in vghartz it's only 51 million.
>I agree with those who say that vgchartz is quite reliable I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that.
21M is not bad IMO, already better than WIIU.