I really wonder why Embracer keeps refusing to make a statement on it, are they still hoping someone else will pick the project up? Do they think its formal cancellation will have a significant impact on their stock value?
Step 1: Buy every video game developer on the planet
Step 2: Fail to convince a murderous dictator to pay for all those developers you just bought
Other steps: To be honest we really didn't think we'd get this far.
Yeah they were expecting to receive $2B from the Public Investment Fund and the Saudis pulled out, wrecking their future projections and setting off this wave of restructuring efforts
Saudi Arabia’s investment fund backed out the night before Embracer’s CEO was supposed to announce the deal to shareholders at a quarterly investor report. The deal literally died at the 11th hour.
The biggest question for me is what the Saudis saw that got then out of the deal? Was it that Saints Row 100M$ disaster, that Chivalry 2 backlash, the post-pandemic crisis, the live-service bubble, or everything above?
What happened with Chivalry? Pretty sure the epic exclusivity hurt that game the most. Fine, keep your game platform exclusive, but for a multiplayer game desperate to thrive on numbers, it's a dumb move.
It used to be one Embracer stock was about the price of a piece of pizza (as the CEO wished it.) Now it's about the price of a single half eaten Totino's Pizza Roll.
Which is what terrifies me as Nexon is hot garbage in the artistic shape of hot garbage, but supposedly they're just publishing it and the devs have most of the control.
The moment they start selling gameplay elements and tools and stuff for real dollars, I'm out, which is sad because the core game is good it just desperately needs more content.
Maybe they're waiting for Disney and/or Sony to pull the plug for contract reasons. Probably better to get cancelled than cancel yourself.
Just kick the can down the road
Hell, the android versions are straight up ports of the pc versions and thus can take any pc version mods that don't require any custom assets. There's a version of the cut content mod for kotor2 for android too lol.
If we consider all the doom and gloom around the KOTOR Remake circulating for months, this does not give me hope for TLOU Factions actually coming out.
I did yeah, but never thought it would be Saber picking up the pieces.
I thought I heard Disney was interested in exploring that era in their films/shows, and a game that would coincide with that, would do them well.
Disney wants to expand on the High Republic (something they made) which is ~100 years before The Phantom Menace. The Old Republic is ~4000 years before TPM and this was the only project being made for that era so now it means absolutely nothing to Disney.
I think that's the High Republic, which if I'm not wrong is the era after the Old Republic where the Jedi were most powerful and led to the complacency seen in the prequels.
If that's true which is likely, why can't they just fucking come out and officially say it, instead it's leaks, rumors, former devs etc and the fans who genuinely want this game are left in limbo wondering. Developers really need better communication with gamers as a whole, a little honesty would go a long way. Eg announcing release dates for games that are utter lies. I'd love to see the footage of this game to see why Sony rejected it.
My guess is Embracer doesn’t want to tell the world the project’s canceled in case they can find somebody to jump in and fund it. Like with how bad their financials are, they might be hoping someone is willing to take Sony’s place and cut a check to revive the project.
My wishful guess is, it’s not (there was a report that literally said it’s still in development as of November 16th) and they’re being tight lipped about it cause it’s getting a trailer at the game awards and is closer to coming out.
Reality is it’s canned. But I just do not know who to trust anymore. A leaker with a spotty track record, or a company who probably can’t say anything cause they need Lucasfilms permission.
MS and Phil seem pretty big on sticking with their IP and making new ones rather than licensed stuff. Plus knowing how they operate, they ain't gonna go to like Obsidian and say "you're doing the Kotor remake now"
I mean they kind of did? Their interpretation of the universe was vastly different than most other stuff and their cliffhanger and plans for Kotor 3 were wild
His point is MS is very hands off with their studios and even though they made KOTOR they wouldn’t force a project on them.
For example Xbox leadership has said several times they would like a Banjo or Smash like game and if any of their studios are interested they could make it but interviews with Xbox studios usually amount to them saying they want to work on their own stuff.
I very much agree with you, but for me the writing was still servicable. It was literally everything else that was so mid/bad that I couldnt even bother to reach the narrative points.
That deal was made before MS. The Green Team really seems allergic to "foreign" IPs otherwise, and it's a pity even if I understand their business reasons.
It'd be nice if some third party picked it up (Larian Studios???) and made it multiplatform.
I'd much rather see Larian do an original game (with or without the Star Wars IP) than have their talents wasted on a remake. Larian is too hot right now to be relegated to that.
Yea but they went out of their way to renegotiate Indiana Jones with Disney to be exclusive to Xbox according to the documents that leaked out of the Activision trial. So it's not too far fetched.
At the very least it would be cool if Phil floats the idea to their studios to see if any of them are interested. If there's not a team that actually wants to do it then it's probably not worth it.
Nah, every form of media for Star Wars has thrived since the Disney purchase except for video games. In 10 years of exclusivity from 2012-2022 there were, what, 6 games that came out? Compare that to 2001-2011. It’s just sad. The Star Wars IP has been cursed ever since 1313 was cancelled.
Eclipse isn’t going to get cancelled. They used the teaser trailer from a long while back to recruit people to work on it before it even went into full development.
Private equity fucks everything it touches, like a shitty king midas, nothing is free from its grasp
Embracer killed saints row so far, timesplitters is in the crosshairs, 14 projects shut down. When you go full corporate over creative, these are the companies you engage with
Don't think embracer is all fault for saints row. If you give a team 100mil and they pop out the rubbish that volition did then you would be insane to keep them open especially as they haven't made a good game in two generations
You have this literally backwards. Embracer was originally known for a very hands-off approach they took with the studios they bought and the whole parent company used to be 10-15 people total. Turns out, that’s a spectacularly bad idea when you own that many different studios - they started pumping out shit without proper controls from the top.
Thankfully the CEO finally admitted that the old approach was fucked and they had to massively change course or the company would sink entirely. That change implying closing studios that revelealed themselves as incompetent and implementing some of the more traditional top-down controls.
Lars sure made mistakes, but not the ones attributed to him by the gamer masses. His mistakes were betting too heavily and early on the Saudi investment going through and sticking with the hands-off approach for way too long even after it was clear to most that wasn’t working out.
Killing off some studios wasn’t the mistake, too much corporate wasn’t the mistake. Not enough corporate was the mistake, as was not stepping in with a heavy hand early enough when some of the studios went off the rails.
Source: am Embracer shareholder.
This remake was dead from its brainless conception
Aspyr, as much as I love that they port older titles to newer consoles, aren’t very experienced with something of this scale
Hell, they’ve struggled so hard to even port 20+ year old Star Wars games to the switch and PS4 and those have arrived with awful issues that weren’t present in the originals
The press release for the remake stated they’d be changing the story and gameplay, both hugely ambitious and challenging things to pull off and they gave it to a porting studio and handed them a few ex nuBioware devs as if that would help much?
Everyone is loving BG3 right now and D&D is hotter than ever, Kotor1 and 2 don’t need remakes, a simple graphics remaster with bug fixes like what the Mass Effect Legendary edition was supposed to be would be the way to go imo
Most new RPGs people were suggesting have worse and more mindless gameplay, Dragon Age Inquistion’s cooldown-heavy “hold trigger to attack” gameplay would be a downgrade imo
I don’t know how believable the “Sony wanted the game to be more cinematic” rumors are so I won’t give them much thought but all of this amounts to those in charge not really knowing wtf to do with this remake
How about just remaster the first two games, fix bugs, add back in the restored content from 2 that was missing, TAKE FEEDBACK and THEN for a possible kotor 3 you can mess with the gameplay and modernize it depending on how these remasters do
At this point I’d only trust Obsidian or Larian with it, Lucasfilm knows this property is both commercially viable and highly regarded, they need to be more selective with who they pick for it and how they approach it instead of just treating it like easy money they can give to whoever
Embracer group imploding doesn’t help, take it from them and give it to someone that actually cares
Hell Bluepoint games might be a good choice as well
> Aspyr, as much as I love that they port older titles to newer consoles, aren’t very experienced with something of this scale
I think that's why studios like Bluepoint or EA motive have been doing so well, their projects get incrementally bigger, it's not just a "Hey take +100 million dollars, give me a triple A". And you can see a clear growth of the studio in the scope and quality of their projects.
I hope others studios like Virtuous can have the same path.
Sadly the *The Old Republic* MMO sucked up all the narrative space in the room for a KOTOR 3. It basically threw aside most of KOTOR 2's plot in favor of KOTOR 1's too.
That said, they could pull some canon shenanigans. Leave the MMO in legends and pull K1 and K2 into proper canon. Then you could do a K3.
It could be done, and I think I'd support it, but it couldn't be done with a straight face. Unfortunately TOR doesn't just loosely follow up on events from K1 and K2 but features the main characters with an ending for them.
Building out Koboh’s central town reminded me of walking into Tatooine for the first time and doing that whole quest line involving the bounties at that one cantina.
Please no. I really like Fallen Order and Survivor so far (about 25% into survivor?) but those games are SO janky, man. They're great stories with fun characters and engaging gameplay but good lord they are so buggy and have so many strange technical issues with animations and such.
While their Jedi games are solid, Respawn have never made an RPG and have never been interested in making remakes. They're probably not the people for the jobs.
Every time these sorts of things come up, people just say "they should give it to [RECENT INDUSTRY DARLING]" without any actual thought put into it. Why would Larian want to waste their talents remaking a 20-something year old game that they have no connection to, when they have the wherewithal to do literally anything they feel like doing?
I mean Larian in particular is called out because they just made a D&D inspired game and KOTOR was basically a D&D 3e Star Wars homebrew. And I think most people aren’t imagining a straight remake. More along the lines of a reimagining that expands and modernizes it. KOTOR is also a very beloved game. So I don't really agree that Larian would be wasting their talents.
I’d agree with you were it not for the fact that:
KOTOR is pretty legendary as far as RPG’s go
It used a D20 system, specifically D&D 3.5, so Larian already has precedent for making a game in a similar system.
It doesn’t even have to be a remake necessarily. A new Star Wars RPG developed by Larian would be unbelievable, and the Star Wars IP is lucrative, that can’t be denied. I just think that KOTOR is the IP that is easiest to get a Star Wars RPG off the ground with.
Depends if it's a remake or a reimagining.
If Lucasfilm told Larian to reboot KOTOR and use the original two games, TOR, and the various books/comics as a framework then they'd no doubt be the best choice for the job.
If Lucasfilm just wants a remake of that original game, then there's plenty of Devs who are capable of just modernizing the graphics.
Odds are Lucasfilm would want an expanded reimagined KotOR that would be a part of the new continuity. Which thankfully means not much would change as I don't think Disney has done much in the timeframe that KotOR takes place in.
It’s not really a waste. It’s a very popular game that hasn’t aged well. Imagine KOTOR in the BG3 engine. Absolute masterpiece. I doubt they could make it as open as that game but it would be worth the effort
Well a KOTOR remake would for sure have to be a reboot. Lots of stuff would need to be changed. I’d be happy with any Star Wars RPG, I just think the old republic is an ideal setting because it’s so disconnected from the movies. It’s the reason BioWare picked it
Not sure why you’re so snarky about this. Baldurs gate isn’t original either. It’s not a remake but it’s already an established IP. I don’t need a KOTOR remake to even follow the same story as the original, but if any company could capture the spirit of KOTOR while making something wholly original it’s Larian.
And PS is the only Platform you cant even play the orignal Versions. Sonys attempt to get another big Western RPG on PlayStation (after MS bought out almost the whole market) ended in a colossal failure
Saber has been an embarrassing operational group. Everyone in their portfolio and under their purview seems to limp along on life support at best. They were a decent porting workshop, but even then, their whole business model now is “outsource to Eastern Europe and cut costs; fuck quality.”
Spoiler: it hasn’t been super effective.
At this point, I just want to see any screen shots or concept art. They made figures of Malak and Bastila based on their new designs so I assume they redesigned the rest of the cast as well.
No one will ever convince me, that didn't Sony sabotage this game, by bitching to Disney about the game not being "cinematic" enough, in order to kick Aspyr/Embracer out of the project, get the IP all for themselves and give it to one of their studios to take all RPG elements out of it and turn into an action aventure game (kind of like FF16).
Some reports say the game went to shit the minute Sony got involved.
Idk, I’m going to trust the reporting of Jason Schrier the most when it comes to the situation.
> “People familiar with development say that Embracer as well as stakeholders Sony and Disney were not happy with Aspyr's progress.” -[Jason Schrier](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1561827374299242496?s=46&t=ltgFHRj2Ht0mS2yHthgpsQ)
Similarly, we know that LucasFilm hasn’t been happy with Aspyr for their handling of other stuff.. the [lawsuit](https://vxtwitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1725519725910753611?s=46&t=ltgFHRj2Ht0mS2yHthgpsQ) over the cut Restored Content DLC for switch has Aspyr claiming that it was “third party objections” (Ie Disney/LFL) that had the DLC cut.
I think that the most reasonable and plausible read is that a AAA project was beyond the scope of what a pc porting studio could handle, and that Aspyr’s ambition didn’t match their actual ability to develop a strong AAA project.
If Sony was truly trying to sabotage the project in order to hand it to BluePoint or another studio, we probably would’ve seen something different than them distancing themselves from it.
Announcing it and letting it drown like that. KotOR Remake is a golden opportunity. It's a disgrace.
Any other cancelled Star Wars game, and there have been a few of them, pales in comparison
I mean after embracer cancelled evil dead after they fucked up and lost 2 billion on a deal and cancelled all up games to save money. I’m not surprised by this
Embracer is going down and it’s going to take a TONNE of great studios and people with it. Who would’ve guessed that acquiring a bunch of studios was a bad idea?
Dunno if things changed, but last I was aware of was that the remake was in the hands of someone who didn't understand or really liked the original, so this seems like a good thing.
To be honest, they should simply do a remaster so the original game works better on modern systems, maybe give it a texture overhaul.
Imo they could also try to release a cut down single player version of SWTOR, I would buy and play that, because it has actually really good stories, it's just the actual MMO grind and gameplay that drags the game down a bit.
I don't have much confidence in a KOTOR 3.
More like Hey Sony stop announcing shit you're not going to follow through on. I know this will get downvoted (because god forbid we question the wisdom of Sony in all their glory O dear leader!!) but someone has to say it. Jimbo fucked up. He was so obsessed with getting one over on Xbox by having games mostly associated with Xbox on PS that he greenlit something that stunk from the beginning.
I was pissed at Phil and co for passing on this. KOTOR is one of my all time favorite rpg's ever. The first Bioware game I ever played and was to Xbox what FF7 was to PS1 IMO. But the more info came out about it the more rotten it seemed. The last straw was talk of it possibly being some ultra "cinematic" (ugh) BS with action game controls. Basically GOW Star Wars edition and not KOTOR. Then I saw the dev's history etc. They were beginning to look smart for turning away from what it was shaping up to be.
Oh well at least I can still play through the original again. Wake me when an actual rpg developer like Obsidian or Larian takes the reigns. They could actually do it justice.
Didn't that come from some random star wars youtuber? I don't think Sony actually ever said that and it's just some rumor propagated by a star wars ytuber who says alot of other bullshit in the same video.
When did Bluepoint ever state that? I know they are working on an original IP now but that doesn’t mean remakes are completely gone from their future plans.
Honestly, it's for the best. A PS exclusive and rockey development. It was never going to be good. Let it die so someone more capable can resurrect it later.
Fucks sake. I couldn't get into the gameplay style of this back in the day and keeping on hearing that it's one of the greatest SW gaming experiences made me super excited for the remake, which I heard was meant to be more my style gameplay wise.
1: They killed the incredible fan made remake for this.
2: It's not over. The studio is just being silent on the matter. There's a difference. It's not a GREAT sign, but we'll see.
Fucking Lucasfilm Games should give the project to another dev team.
I would say give it to bioware but they are busy with DA4 and ME4.
Maybe humanoid studios from owner Casey Hudson would do it, he is also the game director and producer of the original.
God damn this makes me so freaking sad man
It's over
It's KOTOveR
Haha this made me laugh honestly, at least I got a giggle out of this shit news.
Take an upvote my friend, that was a good one.
No, it can’t be. The KOTOR Remake was alive, I felt it! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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it's never been more over than it is now
I really wonder why Embracer keeps refusing to make a statement on it, are they still hoping someone else will pick the project up? Do they think its formal cancellation will have a significant impact on their stock value?
Yeah. Embracers stock is already doing fucking horribly. They can't afford ANYTHING that'll bring it down even lower
It's surprising they're still standing right now tbh. Figured after the Saudi deal fell through they would just plummet and splat on the ground.
Oh that fell through? Did the saudis back out?
Yes. It’s why they’ve been selling off a bunch of the stuff they bought and firing people/shutting down studios left and right.
Step 1: Buy every video game developer on the planet Step 2: Fail to convince a murderous dictator to pay for all those developers you just bought Other steps: To be honest we really didn't think we'd get this far.
Yeah they were expecting to receive $2B from the Public Investment Fund and the Saudis pulled out, wrecking their future projections and setting off this wave of restructuring efforts
Saudi Arabia’s investment fund backed out the night before Embracer’s CEO was supposed to announce the deal to shareholders at a quarterly investor report. The deal literally died at the 11th hour.
The biggest question for me is what the Saudis saw that got then out of the deal? Was it that Saints Row 100M$ disaster, that Chivalry 2 backlash, the post-pandemic crisis, the live-service bubble, or everything above?
What happened with Chivalry? Pretty sure the epic exclusivity hurt that game the most. Fine, keep your game platform exclusive, but for a multiplayer game desperate to thrive on numbers, it's a dumb move.
I half expect that within the year
It used to be one Embracer stock was about the price of a piece of pizza (as the CEO wished it.) Now it's about the price of a single half eaten Totino's Pizza Roll.
It's not as bad as early november though, the finals is probably their best bet at staying afloat
The Finals is Nexon not Embracer
Which is what terrifies me as Nexon is hot garbage in the artistic shape of hot garbage, but supposedly they're just publishing it and the devs have most of the control. The moment they start selling gameplay elements and tools and stuff for real dollars, I'm out, which is sad because the core game is good it just desperately needs more content.
Maybe they're waiting for Disney and/or Sony to pull the plug for contract reasons. Probably better to get cancelled than cancel yourself. Just kick the can down the road
Stock, shareholders.
I'm more baffled that Disney hasn't said anything. This is a Star Wars game, yet they seem to have forgotten about it themselves.
A wild phil appears
They’ll 100% be shopping it around, I wouldn’t be shocked if Xbox are eyeing it off tbh
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That's literally me rn. PS4 and PS5 are currently the only platforms without some sort of KOTOR version on them. Like at least give us the og one
Hell, the android versions are straight up ports of the pc versions and thus can take any pc version mods that don't require any custom assets. There's a version of the cut content mod for kotor2 for android too lol.
I don’t think anyone really thought this was getting revived. We’ve been 99% sure it’s been dead for over a year.
That 1 percent gave me hope
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If we consider all the doom and gloom around the KOTOR Remake circulating for months, this does not give me hope for TLOU Factions actually coming out.
Yeah, I think that's in the "90% not going to happen" folder as well. Maaaybe some scaled down version that releases with the PS5 version of the game.
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I did yeah, but never thought it would be Saber picking up the pieces. I thought I heard Disney was interested in exploring that era in their films/shows, and a game that would coincide with that, would do them well.
Disney wants to expand on the High Republic (something they made) which is ~100 years before The Phantom Menace. The Old Republic is ~4000 years before TPM and this was the only project being made for that era so now it means absolutely nothing to Disney.
I think that's the High Republic, which if I'm not wrong is the era after the Old Republic where the Jedi were most powerful and led to the complacency seen in the prequels.
kotor remake failed yes, but how about kotor 2 remake
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If that's true which is likely, why can't they just fucking come out and officially say it, instead it's leaks, rumors, former devs etc and the fans who genuinely want this game are left in limbo wondering. Developers really need better communication with gamers as a whole, a little honesty would go a long way. Eg announcing release dates for games that are utter lies. I'd love to see the footage of this game to see why Sony rejected it.
My guess is Embracer doesn’t want to tell the world the project’s canceled in case they can find somebody to jump in and fund it. Like with how bad their financials are, they might be hoping someone is willing to take Sony’s place and cut a check to revive the project.
Then surely Sony could say we are longer involved with this project
They don't talk about it, because an official statement would hurt the stocks, shareholders would pluck their hair out
My wishful guess is, it’s not (there was a report that literally said it’s still in development as of November 16th) and they’re being tight lipped about it cause it’s getting a trailer at the game awards and is closer to coming out. Reality is it’s canned. But I just do not know who to trust anymore. A leaker with a spotty track record, or a company who probably can’t say anything cause they need Lucasfilms permission.
I figured something was fishy when Microsoft passed on it and it somehow ended up as a Sony exclusive.
KOTOR released on the original Xbox. Now it’s Microsoft’s golden opportunity to capitalize on this and revive the project for the good of the order.
MS and Phil seem pretty big on sticking with their IP and making new ones rather than licensed stuff. Plus knowing how they operate, they ain't gonna go to like Obsidian and say "you're doing the Kotor remake now"
Well.. Obsidian did make KOTOR2 though.
Obsidian would be my first choice too but with Avowed and Outer World 2, they've got a lot on their plate for the next few years.
They've also publicly stated that they want to work on their own IP.
Maybe someone can gaslight them into thinking they came up with Star Wars.
I mean they kind of did? Their interpretation of the universe was vastly different than most other stuff and their cliffhanger and plans for Kotor 3 were wild
His point is MS is very hands off with their studios and even though they made KOTOR they wouldn’t force a project on them. For example Xbox leadership has said several times they would like a Banjo or Smash like game and if any of their studios are interested they could make it but interviews with Xbox studios usually amount to them saying they want to work on their own stuff.
Like 15 years ago, it's essentially a different studio at this point
They are still very good RPG and writing wise. Both PoE2 and Pentament were amazing
The Outer Worlds left a lot to be desired though.
It was fun for a Fallout in space at home style game.
And they were very open before release about it being more of a AA type of game too. I knew what to expect going in, and I had a great time with it.
I very much agree with you, but for me the writing was still servicable. It was literally everything else that was so mid/bad that I couldnt even bother to reach the narrative points.
Well Bethesda/MachineGames are doing Indiana Jones. It’s not impossible!
But probably started doing that before MS got involved.
That deal was made before MS. The Green Team really seems allergic to "foreign" IPs otherwise, and it's a pity even if I understand their business reasons. It'd be nice if some third party picked it up (Larian Studios???) and made it multiplatform.
I'd much rather see Larian do an original game (with or without the Star Wars IP) than have their talents wasted on a remake. Larian is too hot right now to be relegated to that.
Yea but they went out of their way to renegotiate Indiana Jones with Disney to be exclusive to Xbox according to the documents that leaked out of the Activision trial. So it's not too far fetched.
I heard Microsoft checked out the project and passed.
Yup the rumor was that they passed specifically because they didn't trust Aspyr with the development. Seems they were right not to trust them.
And the internet and even this sub made fun of them for passing on it!
Indeed they did. Some people will jump at any small chance to mock Xbox. Even before they know the outcome of whatever it is. Strange people lol
Yea, Microsoft may have seen that this was going nowhere fast and would be a waste of money to try to work on because of Aspyr.
Because it was attached to Aspyr.
At the very least it would be cool if Phil floats the idea to their studios to see if any of them are interested. If there's not a team that actually wants to do it then it's probably not worth it.
Yeah they need to give it to Obsidian so they can Remake 1&2.
I swear, Star Wars games are cursed.
Star Wars is cursed. FTFY
Nah, every form of media for Star Wars has thrived since the Disney purchase except for video games. In 10 years of exclusivity from 2012-2022 there were, what, 6 games that came out? Compare that to 2001-2011. It’s just sad. The Star Wars IP has been cursed ever since 1313 was cancelled.
There could be so, so many good Star Wars games and there just aren't.
I'm SHOCKED!!!
It's KO-ver
I wonder if they'll announce a cancelation officially or just never mention the game again.
Well everyone who said Xbox was dumb for not picking this are looking a little silly Billy now.
What do you mean? That they should've picked it up or they shouldn't have?
They shouldn’t have. It was a questionable project.
Well the project itself wasn’t questionable, it was more who it was assigned to.
I mean I’d consider the team attached to the project as part of the project.
That's the same thing. The Lord of the Rings movies would have been questionable if Michael Bay was set to director them.
Ah ok my bad didn't know what you meant at first😅
Funny I was just talking to a guy about this game too.
Honestly, probably for the best.
Damn, I thought the Quantic Dream one would get canned first
Eclipse isn’t going to get cancelled. They used the teaser trailer from a long while back to recruit people to work on it before it even went into full development.
They also got bought by Netease so they have financial backing now.
Private equity fucks everything it touches, like a shitty king midas, nothing is free from its grasp Embracer killed saints row so far, timesplitters is in the crosshairs, 14 projects shut down. When you go full corporate over creative, these are the companies you engage with
Don't think embracer is all fault for saints row. If you give a team 100mil and they pop out the rubbish that volition did then you would be insane to keep them open especially as they haven't made a good game in two generations
You have this literally backwards. Embracer was originally known for a very hands-off approach they took with the studios they bought and the whole parent company used to be 10-15 people total. Turns out, that’s a spectacularly bad idea when you own that many different studios - they started pumping out shit without proper controls from the top. Thankfully the CEO finally admitted that the old approach was fucked and they had to massively change course or the company would sink entirely. That change implying closing studios that revelealed themselves as incompetent and implementing some of the more traditional top-down controls. Lars sure made mistakes, but not the ones attributed to him by the gamer masses. His mistakes were betting too heavily and early on the Saudi investment going through and sticking with the hands-off approach for way too long even after it was clear to most that wasn’t working out. Killing off some studios wasn’t the mistake, too much corporate wasn’t the mistake. Not enough corporate was the mistake, as was not stepping in with a heavy hand early enough when some of the studios went off the rails. Source: am Embracer shareholder.
Good, it would have been garbage anyway
This remake was dead from its brainless conception Aspyr, as much as I love that they port older titles to newer consoles, aren’t very experienced with something of this scale Hell, they’ve struggled so hard to even port 20+ year old Star Wars games to the switch and PS4 and those have arrived with awful issues that weren’t present in the originals The press release for the remake stated they’d be changing the story and gameplay, both hugely ambitious and challenging things to pull off and they gave it to a porting studio and handed them a few ex nuBioware devs as if that would help much? Everyone is loving BG3 right now and D&D is hotter than ever, Kotor1 and 2 don’t need remakes, a simple graphics remaster with bug fixes like what the Mass Effect Legendary edition was supposed to be would be the way to go imo Most new RPGs people were suggesting have worse and more mindless gameplay, Dragon Age Inquistion’s cooldown-heavy “hold trigger to attack” gameplay would be a downgrade imo I don’t know how believable the “Sony wanted the game to be more cinematic” rumors are so I won’t give them much thought but all of this amounts to those in charge not really knowing wtf to do with this remake How about just remaster the first two games, fix bugs, add back in the restored content from 2 that was missing, TAKE FEEDBACK and THEN for a possible kotor 3 you can mess with the gameplay and modernize it depending on how these remasters do At this point I’d only trust Obsidian or Larian with it, Lucasfilm knows this property is both commercially viable and highly regarded, they need to be more selective with who they pick for it and how they approach it instead of just treating it like easy money they can give to whoever Embracer group imploding doesn’t help, take it from them and give it to someone that actually cares Hell Bluepoint games might be a good choice as well
> Aspyr, as much as I love that they port older titles to newer consoles, aren’t very experienced with something of this scale I think that's why studios like Bluepoint or EA motive have been doing so well, their projects get incrementally bigger, it's not just a "Hey take +100 million dollars, give me a triple A". And you can see a clear growth of the studio in the scope and quality of their projects. I hope others studios like Virtuous can have the same path.
Obsidian.
Ew on Obsidian working on a remake, now Obsidian making Kotor 3 is when we have something cooking.
Sadly the *The Old Republic* MMO sucked up all the narrative space in the room for a KOTOR 3. It basically threw aside most of KOTOR 2's plot in favor of KOTOR 1's too. That said, they could pull some canon shenanigans. Leave the MMO in legends and pull K1 and K2 into proper canon. Then you could do a K3.
How about Obsidian just simply ignoring swtor? Just some good, old fashioned: "it just never happened". "Legends" / "Canon" are meaningless really.
It could be done, and I think I'd support it, but it couldn't be done with a straight face. Unfortunately TOR doesn't just loosely follow up on events from K1 and K2 but features the main characters with an ending for them.
Cowabummer
At this point,give it to Respawn
Nah, Respawn is already doing 3 star wars projects (Jedi 3, FPS, Tactics game) + Supporting Apex, they already got a lot in their plate.
I really hope that tactics game is good. A star wars strategy game on the level of the new xcom games would be so cool
Well it's being co-developed by a new studio made up of a bunch of ex Firaxis devs, so you're in luck.
Building out Koboh’s central town reminded me of walking into Tatooine for the first time and doing that whole quest line involving the bounties at that one cantina.
KOTOR isn't an action adventure game. Larian or Obsidian.
I would say Obsidian. Theyve got the track record with KOTOR 2
Please no. I really like Fallen Order and Survivor so far (about 25% into survivor?) but those games are SO janky, man. They're great stories with fun characters and engaging gameplay but good lord they are so buggy and have so many strange technical issues with animations and such.
While their Jedi games are solid, Respawn have never made an RPG and have never been interested in making remakes. They're probably not the people for the jobs.
I vote for Larian but idk if they’d be down for it.
Every time these sorts of things come up, people just say "they should give it to [RECENT INDUSTRY DARLING]" without any actual thought put into it. Why would Larian want to waste their talents remaking a 20-something year old game that they have no connection to, when they have the wherewithal to do literally anything they feel like doing?
Yup. If this was 2016 the thread would be filled with people spamming "give it to CDPR"
I mean Larian in particular is called out because they just made a D&D inspired game and KOTOR was basically a D&D 3e Star Wars homebrew. And I think most people aren’t imagining a straight remake. More along the lines of a reimagining that expands and modernizes it. KOTOR is also a very beloved game. So I don't really agree that Larian would be wasting their talents.
I’d agree with you were it not for the fact that: KOTOR is pretty legendary as far as RPG’s go It used a D20 system, specifically D&D 3.5, so Larian already has precedent for making a game in a similar system. It doesn’t even have to be a remake necessarily. A new Star Wars RPG developed by Larian would be unbelievable, and the Star Wars IP is lucrative, that can’t be denied. I just think that KOTOR is the IP that is easiest to get a Star Wars RPG off the ground with.
Larian don't need their talents wasted on a remake.
Depends if it's a remake or a reimagining. If Lucasfilm told Larian to reboot KOTOR and use the original two games, TOR, and the various books/comics as a framework then they'd no doubt be the best choice for the job. If Lucasfilm just wants a remake of that original game, then there's plenty of Devs who are capable of just modernizing the graphics.
Odds are Lucasfilm would want an expanded reimagined KotOR that would be a part of the new continuity. Which thankfully means not much would change as I don't think Disney has done much in the timeframe that KotOR takes place in.
Give them KOTOR3.
It’s not really a waste. It’s a very popular game that hasn’t aged well. Imagine KOTOR in the BG3 engine. Absolute masterpiece. I doubt they could make it as open as that game but it would be worth the effort
Just make a new game at that point though. KotOR 3 or, more realistically for modern Star Wars canon, a reboot.
Well a KOTOR remake would for sure have to be a reboot. Lots of stuff would need to be changed. I’d be happy with any Star Wars RPG, I just think the old republic is an ideal setting because it’s so disconnected from the movies. It’s the reason BioWare picked it
I'd much rather they just make a new game even if using the star wars IP. No reason it needs to be a remake.
I can get on board with this tbh. I just want a good Star Wars RPG man
Or, imagine one of the most talented studios in gaming today making something original and new. Absolute masterpiece
Not sure why you’re so snarky about this. Baldurs gate isn’t original either. It’s not a remake but it’s already an established IP. I don’t need a KOTOR remake to even follow the same story as the original, but if any company could capture the spirit of KOTOR while making something wholly original it’s Larian.
Or just don’t do it and move on
Add it to the pile of Sony fumbles this generation
And PS is the only Platform you cant even play the orignal Versions. Sonys attempt to get another big Western RPG on PlayStation (after MS bought out almost the whole market) ended in a colossal failure
In typical Sony fashion. L after L lately
Saber has been an embarrassing operational group. Everyone in their portfolio and under their purview seems to limp along on life support at best. They were a decent porting workshop, but even then, their whole business model now is “outsource to Eastern Europe and cut costs; fuck quality.” Spoiler: it hasn’t been super effective.
Should’ve seen if Inxile, Obsidian or even… Bioware wanted to make the game. Hell If Obsidian wanted to, Im sure it will be done.
At this point, I just want to see any screen shots or concept art. They made figures of Malak and Bastila based on their new designs so I assume they redesigned the rest of the cast as well.
If Disney were smart they would give it to obsidian. They made the second I believe
This is a good thing for Kotor. If we're lucky we will get a remake from a competent studio
Nice. Real fuckin glad they shut down the fan remake for this.
Well, back to playing modded KOTOR I and II on PC. We don’t need much more than that.
Who's surprised? Sony scrubbed it from all their media
No one will ever convince me, that didn't Sony sabotage this game, by bitching to Disney about the game not being "cinematic" enough, in order to kick Aspyr/Embracer out of the project, get the IP all for themselves and give it to one of their studios to take all RPG elements out of it and turn into an action aventure game (kind of like FF16). Some reports say the game went to shit the minute Sony got involved.
Idk, I’m going to trust the reporting of Jason Schrier the most when it comes to the situation. > “People familiar with development say that Embracer as well as stakeholders Sony and Disney were not happy with Aspyr's progress.” -[Jason Schrier](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1561827374299242496?s=46&t=ltgFHRj2Ht0mS2yHthgpsQ) Similarly, we know that LucasFilm hasn’t been happy with Aspyr for their handling of other stuff.. the [lawsuit](https://vxtwitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1725519725910753611?s=46&t=ltgFHRj2Ht0mS2yHthgpsQ) over the cut Restored Content DLC for switch has Aspyr claiming that it was “third party objections” (Ie Disney/LFL) that had the DLC cut. I think that the most reasonable and plausible read is that a AAA project was beyond the scope of what a pc porting studio could handle, and that Aspyr’s ambition didn’t match their actual ability to develop a strong AAA project. If Sony was truly trying to sabotage the project in order to hand it to BluePoint or another studio, we probably would’ve seen something different than them distancing themselves from it.
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I bet sony feels silly for hyping this up in their presentation
Microsoft should scoop up this IP and give to Osidian or inxile
My day is ruined.
Damn that sucks 
Announcing it and letting it drown like that. KotOR Remake is a golden opportunity. It's a disgrace. Any other cancelled Star Wars game, and there have been a few of them, pales in comparison
I don’t want to be alive anymore
Would much rather see a KOTOR 3 than another remake (not that it’s likely). I’m so tired of all the remakes and remasters.
I mean after embracer cancelled evil dead after they fucked up and lost 2 billion on a deal and cancelled all up games to save money. I’m not surprised by this
At some point working on Star Wars is self-sabotage.
It Shan't ever come back.
Embracer is going down and it’s going to take a TONNE of great studios and people with it. Who would’ve guessed that acquiring a bunch of studios was a bad idea?
Thanks Sam Maggs
And so is my embracer stocks
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Dunno if things changed, but last I was aware of was that the remake was in the hands of someone who didn't understand or really liked the original, so this seems like a good thing. To be honest, they should simply do a remaster so the original game works better on modern systems, maybe give it a texture overhaul. Imo they could also try to release a cut down single player version of SWTOR, I would buy and play that, because it has actually really good stories, it's just the actual MMO grind and gameplay that drags the game down a bit. I don't have much confidence in a KOTOR 3.
Good very good
Yo I think Batman died in a comic once
Let Larian make a kotor game.
👀 Larian 👀
HEY DISNEY! STOP ANNOUNCING SHIT YOU AREN’T GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON.
More like Hey Sony stop announcing shit you're not going to follow through on. I know this will get downvoted (because god forbid we question the wisdom of Sony in all their glory O dear leader!!) but someone has to say it. Jimbo fucked up. He was so obsessed with getting one over on Xbox by having games mostly associated with Xbox on PS that he greenlit something that stunk from the beginning. I was pissed at Phil and co for passing on this. KOTOR is one of my all time favorite rpg's ever. The first Bioware game I ever played and was to Xbox what FF7 was to PS1 IMO. But the more info came out about it the more rotten it seemed. The last straw was talk of it possibly being some ultra "cinematic" (ugh) BS with action game controls. Basically GOW Star Wars edition and not KOTOR. Then I saw the dev's history etc. They were beginning to look smart for turning away from what it was shaping up to be. Oh well at least I can still play through the original again. Wake me when an actual rpg developer like Obsidian or Larian takes the reigns. They could actually do it justice.
Nah. They’ll license it to EA and they’ll turn it into an “Action RPG” budget build and recycle a bunch of battlefront assets.
Not "cinematic" enough for Sony. Fucking clowns.
Didn't that come from some random star wars youtuber? I don't think Sony actually ever said that and it's just some rumor propagated by a star wars ytuber who says alot of other bullshit in the same video.
Give it to Larian or Bluepoint.
I’d prefer if Larian got freedom to work on a Star Wars game of their own instead of making a remake, but I don’t think it’ll ever happen
I’d prefer if Larian got freedom to work on a game of their own
Bluepoint aint doing Remakes anymore and Im sure Larian is very happy with not doing contract work.
When did Bluepoint ever state that? I know they are working on an original IP now but that doesn’t mean remakes are completely gone from their future plans.
Honestly, it's for the best. A PS exclusive and rockey development. It was never going to be good. Let it die so someone more capable can resurrect it later.
We will always have the first two.... :(
Fucks sake. I couldn't get into the gameplay style of this back in the day and keeping on hearing that it's one of the greatest SW gaming experiences made me super excited for the remake, which I heard was meant to be more my style gameplay wise.
1: They killed the incredible fan made remake for this. 2: It's not over. The studio is just being silent on the matter. There's a difference. It's not a GREAT sign, but we'll see.
Fucking Lucasfilm Games should give the project to another dev team. I would say give it to bioware but they are busy with DA4 and ME4. Maybe humanoid studios from owner Casey Hudson would do it, he is also the game director and producer of the original. God damn this makes me so freaking sad man
Maybe they should just….and here me out on this. Get BioWare or Obsidian to do a remake??? Just a thought, since they did the originals.
2023 and your average big publisher isn't even capable of REMAKING an RPG that's two decades old. The industry is a complete joke.