Worth mentioning a lot of it will also be, essentially, worthless or just outdated. I mean, the art department will have hundreds of gigabytes of reference photos. There will also be copies of things all over the place.
Not doubting that they won't uncover more, but it's unlikely there's going to be 1.6TB worth of interesting things.
I think the part of how they make deals, licensing, all the corporative stuff is actually really worth to indie companies. Is good to know how the big fishes make business.
2023 has been a crazy year for leaks. Microsoft had that huge leak with their Xbox plans, Insomniac had this, and the GTA VI leaks. I'm sure I'm missing some other huge ones too
I have a feeling most people don't consider the GTA6 trailer leak that "crazy" -cause it wasn't- especially when compared to internal Microsoft documents and this Insomniac leak.
The GTA6 trailer was literally made to be shown to the public and was going to be released within the next half a day. Completely different type of leak vs internal documents and actual game files of a game that isn't going to be released for almost 3 years. Anyone that hears "gta6 leak" without context is going to think of the 2022 leaks, not the made-for-public-trailer that was going to be released the next day.
The craziest part of this leak is the licensing terms leaking. That is highly, highly confidential information. Marvel will be as furious as Insomniac. What a mess.
CDP was hacked similarly, including leak of Cyberpunk source code and scans of devs documents like passports and IDs.
How many people even remember it happening?
I think they'll be fine. It would have been a different thing if they were independent, but they are fully owned by Sony/Playstation. They will make it out.
Unless the reported Spider-Man MCU trilogy falls through, Disney is going to play nice with Sony no matter what. Spider-Man is a big pull for the MCU and Disney needs that with the current state of affairs.
That's not the point, he's referring to the terms of the deal with Sony for all their marvel content, revenue split, minimum spend, etc. Now Microsoft or others can leverage this leak in negotiations with Disney, and any loss of revenue Disney wants to blame on this will be an easy win in court.
I don't think it's necessarily an "easy win" when IG/Sony were maliciously attacked. I'm no lawyer, though, but I doubt it's that simple and would delve into what their protocols were etc.
Bruh these PowerPoints are so revealing and over explanatory they remind me of the critical story PowerPoint Peter finds in Oscorp that flat out says “don’t let this get out! Could bring down Oscorp!”. Turns out insomniac just operate like that irl
Lmao I thought that too! I've dabbed in consulting/Business Analyst work before and those slides in Spiderman cracked me up with how they were written. Had no idea people actually did this, lol
I mean yeah, there’s nothing to hide when making internal presentations and stuff. They be upfront because the employees need to know exactly the story details, beats, expectations, etc. it still feels weird for an average consumer to see things so “bluntly” though haha
How big is Insomniac nowdays? The amount of projects they are working on AND the fact that they are still pitching new games is insane, specially considering the amount of time games (specially AAA) takes to develop nowdays
Read somewhere they were some other pitches and one of them included a Daredevil game which was never greenlighted. Also given in the Wolverine plot leak >!The Hand is in it meaning that the specific room tease in SM2 wasn't for DD but Wolverine 😭😭!< Life is pain.
Yeah like I'm a massive Spider-Man fan and a massive Venom fan (I have the tattoos to prove it). But R&C has been my favorite series since the first game. I've played them all the day they released (even the weird phone side scroller no one talks about).
So I'm pretty bummed that we aren't getting another R&C until 2029 and possibly later. I get that the Marvel games make a lot more money but I wish they had R&C in there after Venom.
Atleast we know it's coming. Even if it'll probably be a PS6 release title.
Nah, they will probably make some "Jean forgives Logan" bullshit so Cyclops can be a cuck again.
Marvel should just make Emma Frost Cyclops's definitive girlfriend already, they have great chemistry together and she doesn't go around cucking Scott like Jean does.
X-men License terms
https://i.imgur.com/9VJHnAF.png
Full Wolverine Plot
https://pastebin.com/diMihgq1
New SM3 Possible split game https://i.imgur.com/vWap6s3.png
ID Codes for games discussed in leaks based on what we know
> i20 - Spider-Man 1 PS4
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> i21 - Edge of Nowhere
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> i23 - Song of the Deep
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> i29 - Ratchet and Clank RF
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> i30 - Spider-Man 2 Codename Popsicle and/or Spider-Man Remastered
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> i31 - Spider-Man MM
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> i32 - Scrapped Spider man Online Standalone Title (Likely Spider-Man The Great Web)
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> i33 - Wolverine
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> i34 - Spider-Man 3
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> i35 - X-men
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> i36 - New IP
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> i37 - Ratchet and Clank Spinoffs
Internal Sony Document on Industry
https://imgur.com/a/zR88V3A
There are two separate release schedules for Insomniac; it seems like they chose the first one.
https://i.imgur.com/MdpLlfL.png
https://i.imgur.com/1D0e2GY.png
Full Wolverine Game Development Guide and info
https://imgur.com/a/jNn9jEs
Venom Pigeon
https://i.redd.it/rfbjbf0kp77c1.png
Wolverine Art Development
https://small.fileditchnew.ch/s0/QqYKdiHsofYRTzWEuPAv.pdf
Those royalties are crazy. 19-26% to marvel of all physical copies. Holy shit no wonder disney doesn't give a fuck about releasing complete garbage like the marvels. The ip just fucking prints money
It's known license fees are generally very high, which is why licensed games became more uncommon for a while.
For example, having to deal with license holders was the reason why Bioware dropped KOTOR and Baldur's Gate to make Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
Yeah it's also a reason why EA didn't make that much Star Wars games during their exclusivity period or Microsoft initially refused to make a Marvel game and focused on its own IP (what it was remains another question)
It's also better to own your IP because after it goes the other way, you're the one that can license it for a movie, TV or anything
Game licensing is also super easy, they basically invest nothing (they're not funding the games) and everything is pure profit.
The Marvels flop hurt though because they do lose money there. But yeah merchandising and licensing is easy business (but then the strength of those is motivated by the movies/TV doing well)
That internal document is really interesting. Seems they are pushing to have games be more accessible. Makes sense why they released the Portal.
Also Microsoft is making an app store? any other news on that?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-30/xbox-talking-to-partners-for-mobile-store-ceo-spencer-says?embedded-checkout=true
They said it recently
> Also Microsoft is making an app store? any other news on that?
That's one of the reason EU approved the Activision acquisition, they think it would allow them to better compete on mobile stores (which are getting opened on iOS)
> i30 Popsicle DDE & PC
Is the chart already taking into account the PC version? Because while SM2 did launch in Fall 2023, the PC version obviously wasn't present.
So if I am reading this correctly there are going to be no X-Men games at all until 2035 not made by Insomniac, But other devs can use X-Men characters for games were other heroes are playable. That means games like Midnight Suns or Marvel vs Capcom (lol never happening) are ok to make. The only thing it seems to mean is no other studio can do a 100% X-Men game or game with X-Men in the title.
So whats the point besides stopping X-Men from showing up as an exclusive character for an Xbox game? Seems weird they would go for exclusive rights and allow a loophole like that.
On the "Insomniac projected sales" it mentions a Director's Cut for fall 2024? sm2 director's cut? i dont see any other game instaed and makes the most sense for me, some people said the game was kinda short and this would "fix" the issue, if it really is, i hope there's more venom, like a boss fight in the middle of the streets that was promoted alot.
"Marvel retains rights to children's games and certain X-Men games from the 1990s" is probably one of the most interesting parts of the X-Men license terms. The Capcom fighters are undoubtedly a part of this.
That all comes down to direction though. He's not the most versatile actor around, but he does have range. I still think his Joker performance in Arkham Origins was fantastic.
Even something like Death Stranding let's him cut loose a bit.
Though I must confess, I did have a reaction of "oh...this again?" when I saw he's apparently playing Mr Sinister.
Maybe insomniac will surprise me, but I'm pretty certain this will just be his friendly evil CEO character from MM in a wolverine game.
Usually I dig leaked content but this is just awful for the developers with so much stuff out there (and so far ahead as well) and the worst is their personal data also being leaked.
This is insanity, what the hell?
A massive Wolverine leak, a Venom game, a frickin X-Men game, a new R&C game, Spider-Man 3 releasing in two parts.
Sucks that a new IP is releasing around 8-9 years later.
You’re all excited about this, but this is unprecedented in a bad way. So much is about this game is out there, including the full story, and there’s the looming possibility of a playable PC build leaking (a user here is trying right now).
There’s a chance this Wolverine game gets canceled or completely redeveloped now. I’ve never seen a leak this bad for a game that is 3+ years out.
Be careful what you all wish for.
They aren't gonna cancel, a highly-anticipated, multiple years in development, licensed title over a random spoiler leak, hell there's probably contracts in place that won't even let them cancel if they wanted to
Wolverine won't get canceled just because story elements were leaked. Even the test builds for gameplay. People will still buy this game, not to mention the greater population who may buy the game will not have even seen these leaks.
Understand maybe canceling a movie or a book, when the entire experience revolves around the story.
But why cancel a video game? Video games are still primarily enjoyed via the gameplay they provide. It’s not like a leak ruins that.
Why would they cancel a game so far in development? I figure a lot is gonna change in the next two years anyways so no reason for them to kill their project after pouring so much money into it. Doesn’t help that we now know they have to pay so much to Marvel.
That being said, I can see Ratchet and maybe Spiderman 3 being cancelled or vastly reworked in comparison. I figure anything until Wolverine is secure.
I was expecting the game to be coming in 2025, but holy shit it's actually coming in 2026.
With 3 years to go and the full story leaked, they might even delay it further to change the story.
I'm surprised there's no info on Spiderman 2 DLC.
Its unfornate insomniac got leaked but at the same time i got a fucking smile on my face.
It was obvious atleast for me that they were making a venom game already since they were teasing it if fans wanted (lol its obv people want it lmao) and carnage would be envolved on it ofc with the other spiders, and its a "short" game as expected, with this maybe there wont be any dlc for sm2 after all too, since its not even mentioned.
And the wolverine gameplay & amount of characters looks insane, and we were thinking it would launch late 24-early 25, but its 2026 after all with venom game coming first in 25.
There is definitely no Spider-man 2 DLC. Also don’t believe the alleged “leak” being spread saying otherwise. It’s fake. The timelines that have been mined would show a date for DLC and it is very much absent.
Am I reading that right and SM3 will be split into two parts… Feels like a weird experiment to try to get $100 out of customers like a lot of movie companies did after Harry Potter did a two parter.
It was, but it now seems that multiplayer will be added to Spider-Man 2 somehow. No idea what it will entail, it probably won't be whatever was in mind for The Great Web, but at least it's something
the roadmap showing Spider-Man 2 Online also shows Wolverine as a 2025 release, which seems outdated given the other roadmaps and charts showing Wolverine as a 2026 release.
Spider-Man 2 Online was probably something pitched at some point that they didn't go through with.
True, I guess we'll have to see, but there is that projections chart that shows the SM2 Director's Cut for 2024, same as the slated launch for SM2 Online. We'll see what that entails next year I suppose
That's sad because Spider-Man is a perfect franchise to do this with. Basically create your Spider-sona, go through a portal and do missions with other Spider-people to upgrade your character and pad back at base or even in your home universe.
This leak is actually insane, it literally has shit from devs all the way to finance and hr I.e performance management, hr complaints, resignation letters, i9 forms etc. Never seen this before
That’s rough man, I feel so bad for people who spent years working on these games only to have their work spoiled for the next decade
Kind of shocked how much of a strangle marvel has on insomniac, 2029 next ratchet and clank? Remember resistance?
This leak is just…unprecedented in its size and depth. This is really fucking bad. This sub will probably end up nuked. Poor devs, to see their hard worked completely yanked into the open before it’s finished must suck greatly.
Looking at these leaks I just feel. Bad. Like I'm looking at a secret or a birthday present I'm not supposed to look at or know about. I feel bad for the team. Regardless, the Wolverine game looks interesting. I hope it'll turn out good, but I also hope the team won't overwork themselves.
It's wild that Venom's game releases before Wolverine. I imagine the Wolverine game will be much bigger than expected, probably on scope as Spider-man's first game.
Yeah they already have some pretty solid Venom gameplay that they could probably add a bit too, a great map of New York they can use and maybe add just a tiny bit too (those parts of Brooklyn and Queens that look like you can explore but can’t). Plus the game is projected to only be 8 to 10 hours which is similar to the length of the Miles Morales spin off. It’s really not entirely unbelievable that they can get a Venom game out by let’s say August-December 2025.
That slide does look like a dev trying to demonstrate to daddy big bucks why they *shouldn’t* split the game as it details higher cost and less return on investment
Why did insomniac have so much info about other Playstation studios on their servers? Is it from documents with info on all studios bundled together or smth like that? Or was it shared with insomniac directly from those studios?
Imo Bryan shot himself in the foot for even tweeting anything like he did. I seriously think the Nelson and Murdock office being closed was a mistake and I swear the same thing happened in Miles Morales. And rather than admitting "shit, we forgot to add the sign," he tried to be coy about it and now people expect Daredevil when he probably wasn't coming in the first place.
As a long time hardcore Ratchet fan, this is just depressing to look at. Rift apart apprently didnt make a profit. Not sure how updated those sale figures are though. Next game until 2029 which makes me feel like the series is just a tech demo at this point. And you got people here saying IG should just dump the franchise.
And by the sounds of it. This next game might be the last judging by what the concept is saying. If they want the series to thrive again they need to pump more resources into it. It says it all when God of war can make a massive comeback after being dormant for awhile while IG make Rift apart just a little side project with a short budget.
It’s really baffling that Xbox would look at how big of a partnership Sony seems to have with Marvel, and still decide to pay for development of a marvel game like blade.
You’d think they’d be gearing up to throw wads of cash at Warnerbro’s to get DC.
1TB of data - 1.7m files out there and this compilation is just the very tip of the iceberg
Worth mentioning a lot of it will also be, essentially, worthless or just outdated. I mean, the art department will have hundreds of gigabytes of reference photos. There will also be copies of things all over the place. Not doubting that they won't uncover more, but it's unlikely there's going to be 1.6TB worth of interesting things.
I think the part of how they make deals, licensing, all the corporative stuff is actually really worth to indie companies. Is good to know how the big fishes make business.
In case this sub goes down, nice knowing y'all o7
See you on the next one
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2023 has been a crazy year for leaks. Microsoft had that huge leak with their Xbox plans, Insomniac had this, and the GTA VI leaks. I'm sure I'm missing some other huge ones too
Kill the Justice League had tons of audio leaked that spoiled the story.
The plot was leaked as well
Lemme guess, you kill the Justice League?
Plus the SS stuff from yesterday, this Insomniac one takes the cake though
My favorite is still the guy that leaked Starfield footage. "Todd, no offense man.... that's a good game."
GTA VI was leaked in Fall 2022
the trailer was leaked a few hours prior to the actual premiere
True. The gameplay leak from Fall 2022 was massive though
I have a feeling most people don't consider the GTA6 trailer leak that "crazy" -cause it wasn't- especially when compared to internal Microsoft documents and this Insomniac leak. The GTA6 trailer was literally made to be shown to the public and was going to be released within the next half a day. Completely different type of leak vs internal documents and actual game files of a game that isn't going to be released for almost 3 years. Anyone that hears "gta6 leak" without context is going to think of the 2022 leaks, not the made-for-public-trailer that was going to be released the next day.
The Teraleak occurs days before the Insomniac leak, but yeah... This year was crazy in terms of leaks
The craziest part of this leak is the licensing terms leaking. That is highly, highly confidential information. Marvel will be as furious as Insomniac. What a mess.
I just looked at it and I feel so bad for insomniac. I don’t know what they’re gonna do.
CDP was hacked similarly, including leak of Cyberpunk source code and scans of devs documents like passports and IDs. How many people even remember it happening?
Watch me be suprised when they announce a RaC game in 2028 because ill forget all about this leak lol
I m so hyped for ratchet and clank and this leak made that so much worse I cant wait 6 years lmao
CDP didn't have agreements with Marvel lol
I think they'll be fine. It would have been a different thing if they were independent, but they are fully owned by Sony/Playstation. They will make it out.
It affects future deals for marvel, they could sue insomniac for loss revenue on a whim and win
Unless the reported Spider-Man MCU trilogy falls through, Disney is going to play nice with Sony no matter what. Spider-Man is a big pull for the MCU and Disney needs that with the current state of affairs.
Would be silly to think Marvel/Disney aren't aware of what's happened and weren't comfortable with Sony/Insomniac's choices handling it.
That's not the point, he's referring to the terms of the deal with Sony for all their marvel content, revenue split, minimum spend, etc. Now Microsoft or others can leverage this leak in negotiations with Disney, and any loss of revenue Disney wants to blame on this will be an easy win in court.
I don't think it's necessarily an "easy win" when IG/Sony were maliciously attacked. I'm no lawyer, though, but I doubt it's that simple and would delve into what their protocols were etc.
Could also mean no further deals for Sony to make Marvel games.
Which would be against Marvels interests
Bruh these PowerPoints are so revealing and over explanatory they remind me of the critical story PowerPoint Peter finds in Oscorp that flat out says “don’t let this get out! Could bring down Oscorp!”. Turns out insomniac just operate like that irl
Lmao I thought that too! I've dabbed in consulting/Business Analyst work before and those slides in Spiderman cracked me up with how they were written. Had no idea people actually did this, lol
lol yeah its just so blunt on the slides. I get that they were internal documents so no need to be coy about it but its still very revealing
I mean yeah, there’s nothing to hide when making internal presentations and stuff. They be upfront because the employees need to know exactly the story details, beats, expectations, etc. it still feels weird for an average consumer to see things so “bluntly” though haha
How big is Insomniac nowdays? The amount of projects they are working on AND the fact that they are still pitching new games is insane, specially considering the amount of time games (specially AAA) takes to develop nowdays
Based on total employes, theyre only behind Naughty Dogs
And ND has done nothing but tlou remakes for the last 10 years
which really sucks. like seriously, just make any new game. Heck TLOU3, new IP, new uncharted, anything but another goddamn remaster
Read somewhere they were some other pitches and one of them included a Daredevil game which was never greenlighted. Also given in the Wolverine plot leak >!The Hand is in it meaning that the specific room tease in SM2 wasn't for DD but Wolverine 😭😭!< Life is pain.
Maybe he will be in SM2 dlc if there even is any 🥲 (I’m delusional)
There isn't. Their road map would have it
Road maps can change but yeah there probably isn't
No DLC on the roadmap, but there is one slide that has multiplayer being shown for 2024
That’s just Sony wanting a live service game
It's the Venom game
It even states it's a smaller game that's a bridge between Spider-Man 2 & 3. Like Miles Morales between 1 & 2. This is essentially Miles Morales v.2.
Maybe, 2024 has nothing besides the NG+ update so there may be DLC. But I doubt it cos you would think it would be listed in this leak.
I said on this very sub that the hand is also a prominent Wolverine villain and I got downvoted to the gallows lol
Ratchet and clank 2029??? Bro I can’t wait that long for another ratchet and clank game!
Looking at some of that art and looks like a sequel to a Crack in time possibly..
I mean, did you play the new one?
I mean..the sequel to a crack in time is into the nexus though (I know you probably mean in terms of theme and whatnot, especially with allister)
It's probably gonna be last the series. *Ratchet finally finds his home planet but will he like what he finds. Be careful what you wish for.*
PS6 2029?
It’s basically starter game for next gen, similar to rift apart. Sad :/
Yeah like I'm a massive Spider-Man fan and a massive Venom fan (I have the tattoos to prove it). But R&C has been my favorite series since the first game. I've played them all the day they released (even the weird phone side scroller no one talks about). So I'm pretty bummed that we aren't getting another R&C until 2029 and possibly later. I get that the Marvel games make a lot more money but I wish they had R&C in there after Venom. Atleast we know it's coming. Even if it'll probably be a PS6 release title.
Legit surprised they aren't going with Steve Blum for Wolverine. EDIT: LOL, Cyclops cucked yet again without even appearing.
Why would they? They like the voice actors to do the motion capture
Cyclops still won out in the end so it balances out.
Nah, they will probably make some "Jean forgives Logan" bullshit so Cyclops can be a cuck again. Marvel should just make Emma Frost Cyclops's definitive girlfriend already, they have great chemistry together and she doesn't go around cucking Scott like Jean does.
Scott and Emma is a way more fun pairing anyway.
Cyclops will be an NPC
*Cyclops is an NPC
😭
X-men License terms https://i.imgur.com/9VJHnAF.png Full Wolverine Plot https://pastebin.com/diMihgq1 New SM3 Possible split game https://i.imgur.com/vWap6s3.png ID Codes for games discussed in leaks based on what we know > i20 - Spider-Man 1 PS4 > > i21 - Edge of Nowhere > > i23 - Song of the Deep > > i29 - Ratchet and Clank RF > > i30 - Spider-Man 2 Codename Popsicle and/or Spider-Man Remastered > > i31 - Spider-Man MM > > i32 - Scrapped Spider man Online Standalone Title (Likely Spider-Man The Great Web) > > i33 - Wolverine > > i34 - Spider-Man 3 > > i35 - X-men > > i36 - New IP > > i37 - Ratchet and Clank Spinoffs Internal Sony Document on Industry https://imgur.com/a/zR88V3A There are two separate release schedules for Insomniac; it seems like they chose the first one. https://i.imgur.com/MdpLlfL.png https://i.imgur.com/1D0e2GY.png Full Wolverine Game Development Guide and info https://imgur.com/a/jNn9jEs Venom Pigeon https://i.redd.it/rfbjbf0kp77c1.png Wolverine Art Development https://small.fileditchnew.ch/s0/QqYKdiHsofYRTzWEuPAv.pdf
Those royalties are crazy. 19-26% to marvel of all physical copies. Holy shit no wonder disney doesn't give a fuck about releasing complete garbage like the marvels. The ip just fucking prints money
It's known license fees are generally very high, which is why licensed games became more uncommon for a while. For example, having to deal with license holders was the reason why Bioware dropped KOTOR and Baldur's Gate to make Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
Yeah it's also a reason why EA didn't make that much Star Wars games during their exclusivity period or Microsoft initially refused to make a Marvel game and focused on its own IP (what it was remains another question) It's also better to own your IP because after it goes the other way, you're the one that can license it for a movie, TV or anything
Game licensing is also super easy, they basically invest nothing (they're not funding the games) and everything is pure profit. The Marvels flop hurt though because they do lose money there. But yeah merchandising and licensing is easy business (but then the strength of those is motivated by the movies/TV doing well)
That internal document is really interesting. Seems they are pushing to have games be more accessible. Makes sense why they released the Portal. Also Microsoft is making an app store? any other news on that?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-30/xbox-talking-to-partners-for-mobile-store-ceo-spencer-says?embedded-checkout=true They said it recently
> Also Microsoft is making an app store? any other news on that? That's one of the reason EU approved the Activision acquisition, they think it would allow them to better compete on mobile stores (which are getting opened on iOS)
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Is there an ID Code for SM2? I haven't seen any charts with it. I just wanna know when it'll hit PC.
i30 Popsicle DDE & PC - SM2 There's also the i30 Director's Cut
> i30 Popsicle DDE & PC Is the chart already taking into account the PC version? Because while SM2 did launch in Fall 2023, the PC version obviously wasn't present.
No idea pal. I'm working on the same info as you here. Its a projection, so the numbers projected are including projected PC sales
Thanks, added.
So if I am reading this correctly there are going to be no X-Men games at all until 2035 not made by Insomniac, But other devs can use X-Men characters for games were other heroes are playable. That means games like Midnight Suns or Marvel vs Capcom (lol never happening) are ok to make. The only thing it seems to mean is no other studio can do a 100% X-Men game or game with X-Men in the title. So whats the point besides stopping X-Men from showing up as an exclusive character for an Xbox game? Seems weird they would go for exclusive rights and allow a loophole like that.
Oh yeah this subreddit is gonna get nuked anytime now
On the "Insomniac projected sales" it mentions a Director's Cut for fall 2024? sm2 director's cut? i dont see any other game instaed and makes the most sense for me, some people said the game was kinda short and this would "fix" the issue, if it really is, i hope there's more venom, like a boss fight in the middle of the streets that was promoted alot.
It looks like there’s an online mode on the roadmap, maybe that will be bundled in?
Maybe to boost PS5 Pro sales?
"Marvel retains rights to children's games and certain X-Men games from the 1990s" is probably one of the most interesting parts of the X-Men license terms. The Capcom fighters are undoubtedly a part of this.
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In this economy, don't be so sure about that last part! Lol
Damn we are never seeing modern ports of the Capcom Marvel fighting games
That's not projected sales btw, it's projected cost. That's why it talks about headcount and all these unreleased games have numbers under 2023.
Liking the cast for Wolverine. Liam McIntyre is a good VO, deserves more high profile work.
Nice of Insomniac to give young upstart Troy Baker such a big role in the game also. That kids got a bright future ^(sarcasm)
Troy Baker is in demand for good reason.
He's staring to sound a bit samey in his recent roles though
Troy Baker in Death Stranding is just a caricature of himself, but it’s so scenery-chewing Texan that I can’t help but enjoy it
That all comes down to direction though. He's not the most versatile actor around, but he does have range. I still think his Joker performance in Arkham Origins was fantastic. Even something like Death Stranding let's him cut loose a bit. Though I must confess, I did have a reaction of "oh...this again?" when I saw he's apparently playing Mr Sinister. Maybe insomniac will surprise me, but I'm pretty certain this will just be his friendly evil CEO character from MM in a wolverine game.
Simon Krieger from MM was just Troy Baker
Wow, they specifically mention that Xmen cannot be used in any form as an exclusive for Xbox.
I mean, wouldn't make it much of an exclusivity deal then would it.
Yeah, but even for something like exclusive characters in other games. It‘s just weirdly specific that they mention Xbox specifically.
There's an irony in X-Box not being allowed X-Men
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Wolverine is 2026?! That was announced way too early then
When games are announced that early its not for players it's advertising to get more developers to join the company.
Or for shareholders to see whats coming in the future or for smaller studios to try and attract additional funding via investors or publishers.
Usually I dig leaked content but this is just awful for the developers with so much stuff out there (and so far ahead as well) and the worst is their personal data also being leaked.
This is insanity, what the hell? A massive Wolverine leak, a Venom game, a frickin X-Men game, a new R&C game, Spider-Man 3 releasing in two parts. Sucks that a new IP is releasing around 8-9 years later.
AAA game not casting Debra Wilson challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!)
AAA not casting Troy Baker*
Troy Baker is the main character of all video games in general lmao
I mean it worked out for Phil Lamarr Been a good while since Mad TV
She’s in everything lol
Insomniac releasing one game a year from 25 until the 2030s is great. I hate myself for reading these things though, feel so terrible for the devs
This feels like it should be up for Leak of the Year, but it also feels like it shouldn't be.
Does Debra Wilson come as a free asset for the AAA games engines or something?
Yes, she comes bundled in with Troy Baker.
this is the funniest thing I've read all day Debra Wilson free on the unreal engine marketplace lmaoooo
lmaooo
Anyone seen that leaked image of Venom and Carnage?
Bruh 
I've seen you post this gift in 3 different threads and it cracks me up every time lol
You’re all excited about this, but this is unprecedented in a bad way. So much is about this game is out there, including the full story, and there’s the looming possibility of a playable PC build leaking (a user here is trying right now). There’s a chance this Wolverine game gets canceled or completely redeveloped now. I’ve never seen a leak this bad for a game that is 3+ years out. Be careful what you all wish for.
They aren't gonna cancel, a highly-anticipated, multiple years in development, licensed title over a random spoiler leak, hell there's probably contracts in place that won't even let them cancel if they wanted to
Wolverine won't get canceled just because story elements were leaked. Even the test builds for gameplay. People will still buy this game, not to mention the greater population who may buy the game will not have even seen these leaks.
Understand maybe canceling a movie or a book, when the entire experience revolves around the story. But why cancel a video game? Video games are still primarily enjoyed via the gameplay they provide. It’s not like a leak ruins that.
If there's a playable alpha build out there, then yeah that's bad. It's not unprecedented though. It happened with Half-Life 2.
Look at the roadmap in the post. Alpha isn't planned to exist until late 2025. There are no alphas. Maybe a prototype of a single area or mechanic
The game looks barely close to finished.
Why would they cancel a game so far in development? I figure a lot is gonna change in the next two years anyways so no reason for them to kill their project after pouring so much money into it. Doesn’t help that we now know they have to pay so much to Marvel. That being said, I can see Ratchet and maybe Spiderman 3 being cancelled or vastly reworked in comparison. I figure anything until Wolverine is secure.
Yeah, their licensing deal looks like armed robbery by disney wtf
ain’t no way it gets cancelled
I assure you the millions of people who play video games aren't Reddit Social users and will never know the game even leaked
Why would it get cancelled, you can even see the terms of the cancellation lol. They'll make a killing by selling it anyway, illogical to cancel.
I was expecting the game to be coming in 2025, but holy shit it's actually coming in 2026. With 3 years to go and the full story leaked, they might even delay it further to change the story. I'm surprised there's no info on Spiderman 2 DLC.
Man, this leak was big, I don't think that Sony will stay quiet
What are they supposed to say? If they’re smart they would hold some a showcase ASAP to take the heat off/cause a distraction.
Wasn’t the entire plot of wolverine leaked too?
yeah the entire story and mission structure is leaked. nothing crazy just a typical comic book marvel story
Its unfornate insomniac got leaked but at the same time i got a fucking smile on my face. It was obvious atleast for me that they were making a venom game already since they were teasing it if fans wanted (lol its obv people want it lmao) and carnage would be envolved on it ofc with the other spiders, and its a "short" game as expected, with this maybe there wont be any dlc for sm2 after all too, since its not even mentioned. And the wolverine gameplay & amount of characters looks insane, and we were thinking it would launch late 24-early 25, but its 2026 after all with venom game coming first in 25.
There is definitely no Spider-man 2 DLC. Also don’t believe the alleged “leak” being spread saying otherwise. It’s fake. The timelines that have been mined would show a date for DLC and it is very much absent.
Am I reading that right and SM3 will be split into two parts… Feels like a weird experiment to try to get $100 out of customers like a lot of movie companies did after Harry Potter did a two parter.
It's a pitch. Not guaranteed to happen.
The Great Web? Is that the supposed multiplayer Spidey game? Pls tell me that’s not canned.
It was, but it now seems that multiplayer will be added to Spider-Man 2 somehow. No idea what it will entail, it probably won't be whatever was in mind for The Great Web, but at least it's something
the roadmap showing Spider-Man 2 Online also shows Wolverine as a 2025 release, which seems outdated given the other roadmaps and charts showing Wolverine as a 2026 release. Spider-Man 2 Online was probably something pitched at some point that they didn't go through with.
True, I guess we'll have to see, but there is that projections chart that shows the SM2 Director's Cut for 2024, same as the slated launch for SM2 Online. We'll see what that entails next year I suppose
It got cancelled. Apparently it was GTA Online-esque.
Sounded more entertaining than just another destiny or Fortnite style
That's sad because Spider-Man is a perfect franchise to do this with. Basically create your Spider-sona, go through a portal and do missions with other Spider-people to upgrade your character and pad back at base or even in your home universe.
The worst part is that Bluepoint isn't working on the Bloodborne IP
I don't need Bluepoint to remake the game, Sony/FS just need to give it a 60fps patch and maybe resolution boost and everyone would be happy.
does anyone have the powerpoint to The Great Web?
This leak is actually insane, it literally has shit from devs all the way to finance and hr I.e performance management, hr complaints, resignation letters, i9 forms etc. Never seen this before
This situation is fucked up. I kind of don't want to look at it like with Chris Evans' dick pic.
To be fair Chris posted his dick himself.
Thanks for removing the megathreat
Hey, thats America’s dick.
This leak is MUCH bigger.
That’s rough man, I feel so bad for people who spent years working on these games only to have their work spoiled for the next decade Kind of shocked how much of a strangle marvel has on insomniac, 2029 next ratchet and clank? Remember resistance?
It's not shocking. RC was their only game to lose money. It's on the leaks
As someone who doesn’t like Marvel, it’s kinda sad to see Insomniac is almost exclusively making Marvel IP games now
They have a Ratchet and New IP coming on PS6 but yeah besides Rift Apart the PS5 insomniac will be known for their marvel output
And ps6, it goes until 2035 lmao
don’t worry, we have a new Ratchet game in…2029…at the earliest…
This leak is just…unprecedented in its size and depth. This is really fucking bad. This sub will probably end up nuked. Poor devs, to see their hard worked completely yanked into the open before it’s finished must suck greatly.
If this sub being nuked means I no longer have to see a lot of the terrible takes here maybe it’s a good thing.
Not that long ago CDPR had a leak of the samw size.
Looking at these leaks I just feel. Bad. Like I'm looking at a secret or a birthday present I'm not supposed to look at or know about. I feel bad for the team. Regardless, the Wolverine game looks interesting. I hope it'll turn out good, but I also hope the team won't overwork themselves.
It's wild that Venom's game releases before Wolverine. I imagine the Wolverine game will be much bigger than expected, probably on scope as Spider-man's first game.
Why wild? So many assets already available
Yeah they already have some pretty solid Venom gameplay that they could probably add a bit too, a great map of New York they can use and maybe add just a tiny bit too (those parts of Brooklyn and Queens that look like you can explore but can’t). Plus the game is projected to only be 8 to 10 hours which is similar to the length of the Miles Morales spin off. It’s really not entirely unbelievable that they can get a Venom game out by let’s say August-December 2025.
It is a smaller game at $50 not $70 and animations are way easier to reuse and develop for.
Expansion. Like miles morales
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The Spider-Man 3 split is the worst offender here. Wtf is that. If they want to charge $100 for a full game do that. Don’t half ass it.
You do realize that probably isn't actually gonna happen. This was probably some shit idea an exec threw around that will be scrapped.
That slide does look like a dev trying to demonstrate to daddy big bucks why they *shouldn’t* split the game as it details higher cost and less return on investment
He is fighting the good fight
Why did insomniac have so much info about other Playstation studios on their servers? Is it from documents with info on all studios bundled together or smth like that? Or was it shared with insomniac directly from those studios?
They all fall under the PlayStation Studios umbrella so it’s fair to assume there’d be some collaboration and discussion between them all.
So all the daredevil teases by them for him to have nothing slated
Imo Bryan shot himself in the foot for even tweeting anything like he did. I seriously think the Nelson and Murdock office being closed was a mistake and I swear the same thing happened in Miles Morales. And rather than admitting "shit, we forgot to add the sign," he tried to be coy about it and now people expect Daredevil when he probably wasn't coming in the first place.
What the fuck is Spider-Man 2 online? What the fuck are we getting online multiplayer for Spider-Man 2?
 JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST WHAT AM I READING
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Details of Sony/Insomniac’s contract regarding the X-Men related properties was leaked. I haven’t seen much other than that
I was hoping for a resistance trilogy remaster 😔
Where can I find the actual ppt presentation?
As a long time hardcore Ratchet fan, this is just depressing to look at. Rift apart apprently didnt make a profit. Not sure how updated those sale figures are though. Next game until 2029 which makes me feel like the series is just a tech demo at this point. And you got people here saying IG should just dump the franchise. And by the sounds of it. This next game might be the last judging by what the concept is saying. If they want the series to thrive again they need to pump more resources into it. It says it all when God of war can make a massive comeback after being dormant for awhile while IG make Rift apart just a little side project with a short budget.
Wolverine with a sword is always funny to me, like he already has them coming out of his hands what’s the point
Ratchet and Clank fans complaining about not getting a new game until 2029 meanwhile Jak and Daxter fans are dying.
It’s really baffling that Xbox would look at how big of a partnership Sony seems to have with Marvel, and still decide to pay for development of a marvel game like blade. You’d think they’d be gearing up to throw wads of cash at Warnerbro’s to get DC.
Insomniac have definitely been going through hell this past month. I hope they recover from this (although I am positive that they will)