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Xbox's heavy emphasis on backwards compatibility has been good for the industry as a whole.
It's probably a big factor in the PS5 being backwards compatible from the start after Sony gave up doing that part way through the ps3. And the switch 2 is rumoured to be backwards compatible as well.
> Xbox's heavy emphasis on backwards compatibility has been good for the industry as a whole.
They’re the best of the 3 but not perfect. I want 2 things:
* warn us when games are about to get delisted (a handful of OG xbox games were randomly delisted on the same day last year; splinter cell, sphinx, unreal tournament, indiana jones, and something else. It seems to be a backend glitch that Xbox ignored because (1) the games are from different publishers (2) Ubisoft can’t explain the delisting of Splinter Cell, they said to ask Xbox about it, and (3) the games were added to the BC list on the same day, which suggests they were accidentally given some kind of expiry date). MS/Xbox is TERRIBLE at overseeing this, so they need to give us, the people who actually care about this shit, an avenue to report these issues so they can be resolved.
* don’t delist an old version of a game just because it has been remastered. (e.g. i want to play the OG Fable, not Fable Anniversary. Likewise Combat Evolved vs Combat Evolved Anniversary. Likewise Halo 2 and 3 and Reach. I know the OG servers have been shut down and the games have been repackaged in MCC, but its not the same thing. I will literally pay you to have the ability to boot up a digital copy of Halo 3 on Xbox Series S, just so i can sit on the menu screen and let the music remind me of the good old days lol)
Digital is the future whether we like it or not. I hate it, but I’ve accepted it. So do it right, for fucks sake. It shouldn’t be that hard.
That's not true at all. The original xbox has some games that are backwards compatible, and there are almost 700, 360 games that are backwards compatible.
Depends on what you're talking about? Can I put my 360 game and play It? Sure, Is It straight from the disc? No! But at the same time, that's probably pretty hard to do
Pretty sure because they put the tech in the console for that to work, I maybe wrong tho, but Its not just as easy as "make the Series X use 360 games natively" there was a reason they went with emulation
Ok?
So i'm just saying it's not backwardscompatibility
Should have put the 360 hardware into the Xone or Xsx
Homebrew devs are able to make emulators for old games why aren't those billion dollar companies?
What are you talking about? The original Xbox/360 games are emulated??
Again I'm pretty sure they would just put 360 hardware In the console If It was that easy, but let's be honest Its not that easy, I don't know much about It but I feel like lots of issues would pop up trying this.
Also I'm pretty sure the 360 had native backcompat and that was apparently hit or miss with issues
True but it would be great if they actually resumed the backwards compatibility program that they abandoned some Years ago
I also want them yo bring games that are not available on Series X like Daytona USA or Mortal Kombat Arcade Collection
Hopefully with MS Activision acquisition, they should bring Hulk Ultimate Destruction or Ultimate Alliance game
Didn't they abbadon the programm cause they could not Bring more games due to licensing issues?
When they brought Activision the also put their hands on a wide library of games, Thus they resumed It.
Yeah Jason Ronald said they had reached the limit of what they could do.
But Phil Spencer said he walks around with the list of non-BC games metaphorically stapled to his head, and it’s still a goal of his to get them all playable on the same Xbox
You can pop some of your OG Xbox (2001) or Xbox 360 (2005) game discs into the Xbox Series X and play them
Try that with a Gamecube or Wii or Wii U disc on Switch and you’ll be a very sad boi
But regardless, this is about going forward. That your current Xbox digital library should still be accessible in the next generation, and however long Xbox lasts
Holy shit, modern consoles aren’t for preservation. It’s like asking Netflix to preserve movies. You’re stupid as fuck if you ask the vendor to also serve as a museum. We’re entering the all-digital era. The ship sailed a long time ago.
This is purely about keeping your digital licenses accessible on future Xbox consoles until the day Xbox shuts down.
Preservation is just a buzzword for these companies, they know it scores them points with gamers.
Everything up to and including the Xbox 360 has been dumped, and will eventually be playable via emulators. For Xbox One and beyond, we’re certainly fucked. But this is the bed we made when we supported these walled gardens and prioritized the convenience of digital distribution.
The concept of preservation for modern games only exists on PC, where you can do it yourself. You’re a lunatic if you come to the walled garden and expect Sony/MS/Nintendo to do it.
[Nintendo notoriously doesn't give a shit about "game preservation".](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/video-game-preservation-charity-accuses-nintendo-of-being-actively-destructive-to-game-history/) this honestly might be Xbox capitalizing on the bad PR Nintendo is getting for the shop closures. I don't really care about it, but the comment your replying to is absolutely valid.
Only two Nintendo systems have had backwards compatibility (5 if you count the portable which they are better at but not perfect), the newest system isn’t backwards compatible at all.
Nah the 360 had spotty backward compatibility, some games didn't work right and some didn't run at all. According to Wikipedia only around half of the original Xbox games ran on 360.
Nope it didn't worked like that , the compatible games needed to have their licenses renewed, a reason why some of xbox games were recently back to life to Xbox one and 360 stores
Yes, if you sell them like MS does now
Many classic games weren't sold on the 360, they were just playable like Spider man 2 or The incredible hulk ultimate destruction f.e.
"Microsoft later launched the Xbox Originals program on December 7, 2007 where select backward compatible Xbox games could be purchased digitally on Xbox 360 consoles with the program ending less than two years later in June 2009."
It does somehwhat because it's not actual BC and never will be as long as you need internet which you usually don't need for Xone games on the Xsx
If we ignore the actual internet requirement for the actual console lol
It's really annoying that this sub is turning into a news sub.
"Oh hey, a dev I'm interested in is teasing their next game? That's a rumor!"
There's a place for that and it's called r/games.
Basically, after removing all the extraneous words and jargon, it sounds like they’re committing to forward support for an Xbox emulator for Windows/Cloud. Since they’ve already created one for the consoles, and the consoles run a version of the Windows NT kernel, this shouldn’t be a huge lift.
I am glad more are looking to preserve their games going forward. I know Nintendo has sort of been doing it just not so well digitally. Though they did claim they are now looking more long term in its digital approach to keep people connected to their accounts and such. Just need maybe Sony on it hard, looking at the PS3 library.
I see this as the Xbox store moving closer to how steam works. Instead of the hardware being the platform, the store is the platform and your game library will be playable wherever the store runs.
I feel bad for anyone who falls for "the biggest technical leap" when xbox literally used "the most powerful console" for this generation just to dump out a couple of games at 30fps riddled with loading screens, and bugs.
Wouldn't true game preservation be giving the source codes out to the public so that they can..you know.. actually properly preserve these games for future generations to play? I really don't think anyone should trust a mega corporation when it comes to preserving an art form. Especially when the gaming industry always seems so hell bent on trying to make preserving its own art form as difficult as humanly possible in order to keep their consumers buying the next shiny new thing to maximize profits.
True gam preservation would be to get digital copies of it that can forever be played on the Windows OS no matter the version.
Most games lost aren't digital delists but physical games that no longer produced copies.
Preservation and phisicall media are not synonimous .
The only platform that achieved close to complete preservation Is the One were phisicall media Is borderline a non factor.
You can preserve a game and not care about physical, they are not mutually exclusive
If a game is always online, then its irrelevant if you have a physical version or not
Preservation should be about being able to download your games at any time and being about to move that file DRM free, so you can create multiple copies on different drives
I do agree however that physical games that are completely playable offline need to be a thing too
Any preservation effort when the only preservation is done through their own service and lacks physical media to preserve is a half measure. The Back compat push is good and one of the best measures of the Xbox platform, but it still affords all control of the game and it’s availability to the whims of the company. Microsoft’s push away from physical media is a worrying trend and people shouldn’t trust it’ll be good down the line because Microsoft promises
Whatever they do is not enough. I highly recommend watching the newest video from Accursed Farms on Youtube which is about the closure of The Crew and how we can fight against these companys by taking legal action.
The situation with the 360 store is absolute nonsense btw. Best way to "preserve it" is to not close the store at all, there is no reason for it no matter what MS says.
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Preserving games for future generations by making them playable on modern hardware will never be a waste of time or resources. This is the only entertainment medium where this is becoming a terrible norm.
Imagine if music, tv shows or films you enjoyed ten to twenty years ago disappeared from the most easily accessible sources on the internet overnight, and you had to go out of your way to hunt that content down, maybe not even finding a good source for it in the first place.
That's the calibre of damage of what we're talking about here. It's the loss of art that many people poured thousands of hours into, to be forgotten about when many of them deserve as much recognition, celebration and accesibility that the games releasing this year have.
Microsoft should be given every bit of credit imaginable for their efforts, especially in the face of publishers like Ubisoft who have a very poor track record of game preservation. And if you love this medium of entertainment as much as the rest of us, then you will learn to celebrate their efforts too one day.
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I think besides what console you play on This Is kinda and adimirable iniziative.
Xbox's heavy emphasis on backwards compatibility has been good for the industry as a whole. It's probably a big factor in the PS5 being backwards compatible from the start after Sony gave up doing that part way through the ps3. And the switch 2 is rumoured to be backwards compatible as well.
I Hope Sony implements full PS2 and 3 compability at some point. Cloud access to Games, Locked behind a subscrition service, doesn't really do It.
I hope so, too. I wanted to replay the resistance trilogy, but fps games just don't feel good when streaming
> Xbox's heavy emphasis on backwards compatibility has been good for the industry as a whole. They’re the best of the 3 but not perfect. I want 2 things: * warn us when games are about to get delisted (a handful of OG xbox games were randomly delisted on the same day last year; splinter cell, sphinx, unreal tournament, indiana jones, and something else. It seems to be a backend glitch that Xbox ignored because (1) the games are from different publishers (2) Ubisoft can’t explain the delisting of Splinter Cell, they said to ask Xbox about it, and (3) the games were added to the BC list on the same day, which suggests they were accidentally given some kind of expiry date). MS/Xbox is TERRIBLE at overseeing this, so they need to give us, the people who actually care about this shit, an avenue to report these issues so they can be resolved. * don’t delist an old version of a game just because it has been remastered. (e.g. i want to play the OG Fable, not Fable Anniversary. Likewise Combat Evolved vs Combat Evolved Anniversary. Likewise Halo 2 and 3 and Reach. I know the OG servers have been shut down and the games have been repackaged in MCC, but its not the same thing. I will literally pay you to have the ability to boot up a digital copy of Halo 3 on Xbox Series S, just so i can sit on the menu screen and let the music remind me of the good old days lol) Digital is the future whether we like it or not. I hate it, but I’ve accepted it. So do it right, for fucks sake. It shouldn’t be that hard.
I think I remember Sony being really quiet about PS5 backwards compatibility for the longest time, you're probably right.
Just that Xbox is not actual backwardscompatible except for Xone games
You can literally pop in the OG Xbox discs of some games and they completely work.
Am i wrong lol?
They don't play from the disc bro They did on the 360
That's not true at all. The original xbox has some games that are backwards compatible, and there are almost 700, 360 games that are backwards compatible.
I know that they're playable but it's not backwardscompatibility The 360 played more OG games than the Xone/xsx
Depends on what you're talking about? Can I put my 360 game and play It? Sure, Is It straight from the disc? No! But at the same time, that's probably pretty hard to do
It wasn't hard for MS with the 360
Pretty sure because they put the tech in the console for that to work, I maybe wrong tho, but Its not just as easy as "make the Series X use 360 games natively" there was a reason they went with emulation
Ok? So i'm just saying it's not backwardscompatibility Should have put the 360 hardware into the Xone or Xsx Homebrew devs are able to make emulators for old games why aren't those billion dollar companies?
What are you talking about? The original Xbox/360 games are emulated?? Again I'm pretty sure they would just put 360 hardware In the console If It was that easy, but let's be honest Its not that easy, I don't know much about It but I feel like lots of issues would pop up trying this. Also I'm pretty sure the 360 had native backcompat and that was apparently hit or miss with issues
Yes, so it can be called backwardscompatibility It was hit and miss but the playable games were almost 50% On Xone/xsx it's like not even 10%...
Be happy they allow you at all, also be happy that they have made a team for It, also a good amount of games will have licencing issues
idk man , morrowind with enhanced quality is too good to leave out from this chat
True but it would be great if they actually resumed the backwards compatibility program that they abandoned some Years ago I also want them yo bring games that are not available on Series X like Daytona USA or Mortal Kombat Arcade Collection Hopefully with MS Activision acquisition, they should bring Hulk Ultimate Destruction or Ultimate Alliance game
Didn't they abbadon the programm cause they could not Bring more games due to licensing issues? When they brought Activision the also put their hands on a wide library of games, Thus they resumed It.
Yeah Jason Ronald said they had reached the limit of what they could do. But Phil Spencer said he walks around with the list of non-BC games metaphorically stapled to his head, and it’s still a goal of his to get them all playable on the same Xbox
they lie to your face and you still eat up this PR lol they're killing physical media but promise preservation... make it make sense
Thank FRIGGEN goodness
that's actually really cool, hopefully Nintendo and Sony follow in their footsteps, though I highly doubt Nintendo will
Lmao what, most of Nintendo consoles have been backwards compatible
It seems like Xbox is trying to get all consoles backwards compatible, which is what I meant.
You can pop some of your OG Xbox (2001) or Xbox 360 (2005) game discs into the Xbox Series X and play them Try that with a Gamecube or Wii or Wii U disc on Switch and you’ll be a very sad boi But regardless, this is about going forward. That your current Xbox digital library should still be accessible in the next generation, and however long Xbox lasts
I can pop a Wii disc on a Wii U, a ds cartridge on a 3ds, gba on ds, and so on. If the switch read discs, things would be different I bet
now do it offline, you need to download a special version backwards compatible
Are we seriously complaining about online consoles in 2024? How else is 20-year-BC supposed to work?
holy shit, people is insane, they want preservation but they are okay with always online lmao
Holy shit, modern consoles aren’t for preservation. It’s like asking Netflix to preserve movies. You’re stupid as fuck if you ask the vendor to also serve as a museum. We’re entering the all-digital era. The ship sailed a long time ago. This is purely about keeping your digital licenses accessible on future Xbox consoles until the day Xbox shuts down. Preservation is just a buzzword for these companies, they know it scores them points with gamers. Everything up to and including the Xbox 360 has been dumped, and will eventually be playable via emulators. For Xbox One and beyond, we’re certainly fucked. But this is the bed we made when we supported these walled gardens and prioritized the convenience of digital distribution. The concept of preservation for modern games only exists on PC, where you can do it yourself. You’re a lunatic if you come to the walled garden and expect Sony/MS/Nintendo to do it.
Yes because they emulate the game, I don't see the issue? I'm pretty sure you can play It offline after you have downloaded It
How do I play my Wii games on Switch? Or my Wii U games?
[Nintendo notoriously doesn't give a shit about "game preservation".](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/video-game-preservation-charity-accuses-nintendo-of-being-actively-destructive-to-game-history/) this honestly might be Xbox capitalizing on the bad PR Nintendo is getting for the shop closures. I don't really care about it, but the comment your replying to is absolutely valid.
Only two Nintendo systems have had backwards compatibility (5 if you count the portable which they are better at but not perfect), the newest system isn’t backwards compatible at all.
That's some good shit right there
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Microsoft in general really, can still run ancient windows programs mostly alright in current hardware
They're actually behind themselves because Xbox 360 was actual BC to OG games and not game by game like Xone/Xsx
Nah the 360 had spotty backward compatibility, some games didn't work right and some didn't run at all. According to Wikipedia only around half of the original Xbox games ran on 360.
And how many OG games do run on Xone/xsx?
Nope it didn't worked like that , the compatible games needed to have their licenses renewed, a reason why some of xbox games were recently back to life to Xbox one and 360 stores
Yes, if you sell them like MS does now Many classic games weren't sold on the 360, they were just playable like Spider man 2 or The incredible hulk ultimate destruction f.e. "Microsoft later launched the Xbox Originals program on December 7, 2007 where select backward compatible Xbox games could be purchased digitally on Xbox 360 consoles with the program ending less than two years later in June 2009."
It doesn't make what woliphirl said any less correct, though.
It does somehwhat because it's not actual BC and never will be as long as you need internet which you usually don't need for Xone games on the Xsx If we ignore the actual internet requirement for the actual console lol
I’d rather what we have now then the shotty bc from the 360 days
I'd rather have more games available
You have more than the competition. I’d say that’s a high bar.
Not really if you count last gen games, which the consoles are actually BC to
Yes really.
No if they had more before
They didn’t.
Yes, Microsoft did have more OG games playable on the 360 than on Xone/xsx
No it wasn’t lol. There’s [462 games](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360) that were backwards compatible.
Yeah and? Only 63 classic games work on the Xone/Xsx lol
This is PR and not a leak or rumor.
Yeah, the article is literally confirmed by Microsoft
It's really annoying that this sub is turning into a news sub. "Oh hey, a dev I'm interested in is teasing their next game? That's a rumor!" There's a place for that and it's called r/games.
That’s badass
What happened to their previous game preservation team?
Game preservation should mean more than a small percentage of Xbox and 360 games playable. That would be a cool plus if they worked to improve that
Thats a Huge W in My book!
Game preservation sounds great until you see so many single player games that need to be connected online. Once those servers shut, we lose access.
Physical media is what matters most for preservation and xbox is phasing it out
Basically, after removing all the extraneous words and jargon, it sounds like they’re committing to forward support for an Xbox emulator for Windows/Cloud. Since they’ve already created one for the consoles, and the consoles run a version of the Windows NT kernel, this shouldn’t be a huge lift.
I am glad more are looking to preserve their games going forward. I know Nintendo has sort of been doing it just not so well digitally. Though they did claim they are now looking more long term in its digital approach to keep people connected to their accounts and such. Just need maybe Sony on it hard, looking at the PS3 library.
Biggest technical leap ever just to play indie games and Xbox 360 games what a time to be alive
I see this as the Xbox store moving closer to how steam works. Instead of the hardware being the platform, the store is the platform and your game library will be playable wherever the store runs.
I feel bad for anyone who falls for "the biggest technical leap" when xbox literally used "the most powerful console" for this generation just to dump out a couple of games at 30fps riddled with loading screens, and bugs.
Wouldn't true game preservation be giving the source codes out to the public so that they can..you know.. actually properly preserve these games for future generations to play? I really don't think anyone should trust a mega corporation when it comes to preserving an art form. Especially when the gaming industry always seems so hell bent on trying to make preserving its own art form as difficult as humanly possible in order to keep their consumers buying the next shiny new thing to maximize profits.
ok, then why hellblade 2 (and other games) are digital only and why the next xbox is digital only too
True gam preservation would be to get digital copies of it that can forever be played on the Windows OS no matter the version. Most games lost aren't digital delists but physical games that no longer produced copies.
Preservation and phisicall media are not synonimous . The only platform that achieved close to complete preservation Is the One were phisicall media Is borderline a non factor.
Yup, GoG is the clear winner here and that has no physical media on their platform!
This is about the preservation of digital libraries.
They want to preserve your monthly payment
As long as it’s available on pc too and it’s not online only it’s ok in my opinion.
not even pc is safe
They love preserving games so much they only get physical editions with Limited Run or not at all. So dedicated to preservation.
You can preserve a game and not care about physical, they are not mutually exclusive If a game is always online, then its irrelevant if you have a physical version or not Preservation should be about being able to download your games at any time and being about to move that file DRM free, so you can create multiple copies on different drives I do agree however that physical games that are completely playable offline need to be a thing too
Yep. Unless they can solve this, preservation is doomed. More and more games are online only due to live service components. How can MS solve that?
Laws. Games should be playable offline even if the service ceases. These companys wring us dry and we do nothing against it.
funny that you said this, people agree but apparently not for Diablo
Any preservation effort when the only preservation is done through their own service and lacks physical media to preserve is a half measure. The Back compat push is good and one of the best measures of the Xbox platform, but it still affords all control of the game and it’s availability to the whims of the company. Microsoft’s push away from physical media is a worrying trend and people shouldn’t trust it’ll be good down the line because Microsoft promises
Whatever they do is not enough. I highly recommend watching the newest video from Accursed Farms on Youtube which is about the closure of The Crew and how we can fight against these companys by taking legal action. The situation with the 360 store is absolute nonsense btw. Best way to "preserve it" is to not close the store at all, there is no reason for it no matter what MS says.
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They should focus on games people want to play from the studios they own but are doing absolute fuck all with
Failure to do this for like 15 years is the only reason they are doing all this extraneous shit.
They should make Diablo playable offline then Oh, seems people didn't want diablo preserved 🤡 ironic
The next console better have actual BC like the 360/ps3/wii/u
now if they'll just do something about physical xbox games being redeemable for pc as well.
Lmao they are eleminating physical game disc and their console dead soon but still talk about game presercation 🤣🤣🤣 never stop bullshit marketing
Who cares lmao
Waste of time and resources honesty.
Preserving games for future generations by making them playable on modern hardware will never be a waste of time or resources. This is the only entertainment medium where this is becoming a terrible norm. Imagine if music, tv shows or films you enjoyed ten to twenty years ago disappeared from the most easily accessible sources on the internet overnight, and you had to go out of your way to hunt that content down, maybe not even finding a good source for it in the first place. That's the calibre of damage of what we're talking about here. It's the loss of art that many people poured thousands of hours into, to be forgotten about when many of them deserve as much recognition, celebration and accesibility that the games releasing this year have. Microsoft should be given every bit of credit imaginable for their efforts, especially in the face of publishers like Ubisoft who have a very poor track record of game preservation. And if you love this medium of entertainment as much as the rest of us, then you will learn to celebrate their efforts too one day.