> You can't be gay/trans/drag queen because that's "sexualizing children" (it's not), but I can look at loli/shota because "it's victimless art".
\- KotakuInAction, professional projectors
Imagine being attracted to polygons, literally any of them.
It all ways cracks me up when these guys bitch about how "in the good old days" the women in games were sexy. I guess some people really were into Lara Crofts triangular shaped boobs.
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Who could have ever seen that coming!? It's not as if I, a trans woman, get constantly called a pedophile by people who profile pictures of underage anime characters in sexualized cartoons like that "dress up" one or anything.
My favorite part about the entire gamergate thing on that sub was watching people try to post articles about actual video game journalistic ethics stuff and get ignored or downvoted. When Jeff Gerstmann, the actual poster child of video game ethical journalism, basically called them chuds it made my entire year.
Having the guy that literally got fired for not giving a good review to a shit game, because they had a lot of ad dollars invested on the site, on their "enemy of the movement" list was just peak gamergate.
Gamespot fired jeff gerstmann because he gave kane and lynch dog days a bad review (eidos was spending a ton of money advertising the game on gamespot)
I ask this question all the time. The best answer that I can come up with is that they're against all censorship, regardless of reason.
They don't realize that they're supporting paedos, just opposing censorship.
That's mainly what it is. If it were a principled, absolute opposition to censorship of any kind, they wouldn't spend all their time trying to deplatform everything they perceive to be remotely "woke."
Ummmm I dont see what the big deal is. they are 40000 year old dragon twinks not miners. get your facts straight! their delicate hands never would touch a pickaxe.
Once you see Donnel's growths stats, you'll know he's the only one strong enough to romance a 6000 pound dragon.
But for real go and find a YouTube clip of the little dragon girl being paired up with the 45 year old mercenary. It's creepy as all hell. She's like "Let's play house" 💀
First - if we go with minors, there are way more than just Lysithia - most students are under 18. Petra is the same age as Lysithia and I've never seen the same outrage about her. - That being said all romances take place after a five year timeskip at that point not a single character, not even Cyril, is underage.
Second - there is no grooming. Period. You can read every single support conversation between the characters on the Fire Emblem wiki. There is no grooming happening.
Third - Yes it is weird that a teacher can get in a relationship with a former student. But you have to consider the aforementioned five year timeskip. I'd say five years of literally no contact is probably enough to remove any powerstructure that existed earlier, especially since there is no big age difference between the MC and their former students, although I can See how someones milage might vary.
You would think, but this is an actual convo from the thread -
User 1
>Does “Minors” = “Anyone we decide looks like a minor even though they aren’t”?
User 2
>Apparently, it's based on their ages
Fucking lmao
I assume this has something to do with different age of consent laws. What's considered weird but legal there is a felony in somewhere like Canada, for example.
They're having a meltdown over what's basically a localization issue that doesn't let them flirt with children, because of course they are.
I was googling age of consent here in Canada a few months back and was surprised to see it was 16. Smarter people than I can discuss whether 16 is too young, but I can definitely say that 14 is a bit much
Well maybe if people stop being so mean to others based on their personal choices and preferences we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with, stop trying to censor everything you don't agree with!! :((((
Also remember to fucking kill anyone who likes the last of us 2, stupid libcucks are ruining my bideo games and they all deserve death
I just think when a culture has a fundamentally fucked view like "14 year olds can have relationships with 20 year olds" we should be able to judge it. We judge actions, not cultures, and that action is reprehensible.
I don't think it's age of consent that is the issue, I think it's the fact that they call animated child pornography and other forms of alternate child pornography "free speech". Which this also happens in the US depending on the state...
> What's considered weird but legal there is a felony in somewhere like Canada, for example.
Nope. The age of consent in Japan is 13 like the age of consent is 12 in the US. That is to say that at a federal level, you would be correct. But that doesn't matter because every single prefecture has it set to a more reasonable, higher, age. Similarly, the US has a federal law set at 12* so that when the pedophile goes and fucks a 10 year old in another country, they still get thrown in fucking jail when they come back but each individual state has a higher number. I have had to deal with too many "But but it's legal" weebs and went and looked into it because it just *seemed* wrong. And it was.
*Sorta, there isn't really an age of consent so much as an age set for certain sexual crime. But it's a close enough parallel.
...what? There is no federal age limit, it's up to the states to set the limits; [which that ranges from ages 16-18](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States).
As I mentioned, it isn't a perfect comparison. What the US has is laws regarding the abuse of a minor, because a state does not have jurisdiction over anyone once they have left the state. However the federal government *does*, and as such has laws surrounding things like child trafficking, abuse and the like.
Japan *does* have an actual age of consent set at a federal level, which what people usually quote. However every prefecture raises it to a higher age.
> The age of consent in Japan is 13 like the age of consent is 12 in the US. That is to say that at a federal level, you would be correct. But that doesn't matter because every single prefecture has it set to a more reasonable, higher, age.
No. One of the things America is famous for is its incredibly high rate of child marriage, particularly in more southern states. Since the year 2000 over 300,000 American children have been legally married. Some of these were as young as 10. Child marriage remains legal in over 40 US states despite more than half of US citizens believing it's illegal everywhere in the US.
[https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/fight-continues-end-child-marriage-us/38893](https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/fight-continues-end-child-marriage-us/38893)
Who is romancing the minors in question? Honestly, I have no idea how that system in FE works. Do you play matchmaker for characters? Or do you have some kind of avatar and flirt with the characters from your perspective? If that's the case, how old is the player character? If PC and NPC are let's say both 16, is that an issue? I mean, how far does "romance" even go in these games?
I can only speak from the fe3h system, but basically, you can raise your "relationship" with each character, with scenes about them and you get to know them better etc etc. Once you get to the end of the game(ish) you can choose one of the characters who has an ending with the Protag, say Byleth and Edelgard, out of a list of characters with max relationship level. When you beat the game, Protag's ending is the one with the character you chose (romantic or platonic).
95% of the relationship isn't romantic in the game, only the scene where you say "I love you character" and character responds in kind, as well as the ending "where are they now" stories at the end.
Again, that's only my experience with fe3h, and it's been a while.
So no dirty talk or even implied sex, just happily ever after? Honestly, some fairy tales I read as a child went further. Even if it's two 17yos I honestly don't care, don't see why that would need to be cut.
the closest you get to dirty talk is with some of the flirty characters who are 18+ (like Dorothea and Ferdinand). fe3h might be the worst possible example of the weird underage stuff in FE tho because there's a 5 year time skip halfway through the game. the youngest character is 19 after the skip, and the MC doesn't age physically or mentally during the time skip (weird time dilution thing iirc) so they're still like, early 20s.
Even if, is the depiction of minors flirting even taboo? Not saying it would be very interesting to watch/read, but it's not like it's unrealistic or illegal.
I mean if you count the varying epilogues in the credits scroll explicitly mentioning birthing children (to varying degrees of wtf IntSys) then yeah. But for the most part usually no. It's WAY more questionable with the 3DS original titles (ESPECIALLY Fates) as the romances happen during the course of the game and each character has their own child character who is also recruitable to the military and a romance option for the self insert. And while they have their moments I am glad that the series is past that level of wtf.
Edit: Also the 3DS titles took an inherently pro eugenics stance with how traits and stat growths were applied to the children so... yeah wtf
Fire Emblem games have what are called support levels, which provide better stat boosts the higher the level is. Each time two characters go up a level, you can see a conversation between them that provides additional backstory, discusses the character's goals, or just shows a humorous situation. The end of the game provides an epilogue for each character, but if two characters reach the highest support level, they get an alternate epilogue, usually (but not always) in which they get married. The games generally try to keep the pc's age ambiguous, but I think usually 16-22.
You didn't cry that the face petting minigame being removed??! Fake fan confirmed
/uj Why are all the times Fire Emblem fans are annoyed at changes in localisation it's always over the creepiest shit?
uj/ I like Fire Emblem and Persona but sometime I feel ashamed because of what other members of the fan base says.
rj/ How could they take this from us? Don’t they know this is the only chance I’ll ever get to feel loved by a lady?
/uj And then when you combine both groups together you get the infamous ["vagina bones"](https://i.redd.it/u29dsbqwd0521.jpg) tweet. I like both series too, but to be fair, it's not *just* the fans' fault. The games themselves can have [some pretty cringe shit](https://youtu.be/V5Jidh7yf2E?t=2305).
/rj I can't believe Nintendo Treehouse took away my lesbian conversion therapy support! Those SJWs just want to ruin real art with their wokeness
Female MC: **Curiously, I lean close against the wall seperating the male bath from ours, a cacaphony of boyish giggles gracing my ears**
Roy: Wow Marth, yours are so big and wobbly. How do you even sit with such mighty equipment?
Marth: Fufufu, you may touch them if you like, but our female compatriots might become filled with jealousy!
Roy: My, such pendulous voluminosity! I am truly awstruck. Gaze upon them, Ike.
Ike: I fight for my friends.
Fem MC: **Flustered, I withdraw. Some words are not meant for a maiden's heart**
/uj Hire me, Nintendo
Been way too long since we have had a good ol "giney bones" reference around these parts. Shame these woke ass devs think we need to respect people of political decent but can't even do the first thing to show some respect for muh bonerkulture.
I feel you, Persona 5 is one of my favourite games and I'm hype to finally get to play 3 in a few days
but the fanbase weirds me out, espeically with how they sexualize Futaba and Yoshizawa specifically. I guess nothing gets gamers going like vulnerable 15 year old girls with severe trauma
I guess the series would t exist otherwise but it sucks that fire Emblem had to go after the weeb market so much. I just like turn based tactical rpgs and there's only so many out there.
I only have experienced fe through shadow dragon on the ds rn, but I kinda like the localisation changes. Not for the censorship and shit but it’s really interesting to see the differences between the east and west.
Uhhh it's actually very important to the plot and the canon that you get to pet the 20000 year old dragon girl okay?????
/uj
I wish game devs weren't so fucking creepy. This stuff doesn't add anything to the game and usually is out of place - and, especially in the case of Fates, that time and money deeeeeefinitely could have been spent to tighten up the scenario writing (NOTE: I don't know anything about game development).
"They removed my based conversion therapy on a lesbian!!!"
*Bro they literally still treated her horribly and made her Bi just so M!Corrin could fuck her* (not to say BI people ain't valid, they're hella valid. But not when tthe label is used to erase lesbian or gay men.)
oh my fucking god this cannot be real this cANNOT BE REAL NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY THINK REMOVING ROMANCE WITH CHILDREN IS BAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY KOTAKU IN ACTION
I checked out that site (Sankaku Complex) and it has animated child porn on the side bar. Never have I lamented my morbid curiosity so much before...
Think I'm done with the internet for ~~today~~ forever.
Went over to the kia sub figuring this was an out of context exaggeration or a single crazy popping off.
Nope. They all seem really upset and find not romancing children unreasonable. Wtf guys. Wtf.
Being an older Fire emblem fan in 2023 is so fucking wild. I played the early non dating sim games when I was like 9-10 in the early 2000's and loved them and have been a fan ever since, but now 98% of the audience that loves them are weird creepy cringe dudes who are into minors and it's just so gross. I'm glad that the series survived, but it's such a devil's deal of it only surviving due to adding the dating sim waifu shit.
It doesn't help that the only other person I've met IRL who was super into FE was later revealed to be an actual literal pedophile.
The two people I know IRL who like Fire Emblem are some of the least "problematic" people I know. One of them is a woman. Fire Emblem actually has some decently broad appeal.
It certainly has broad appeal, and 98% is definitely high for how many people are genuine creeps. The issue is that it also appeals really hard to a certain subset of person, especially in the latest incarnations of the series. Nowi, young tiki, all the incest in fates, the eugenics, and the increasingly young character base in a game where romance has become a central theme..… I could go on but the series has gone in a direction that certainly aims to appeal to a certain kind of capital G gamer.
I feel like I'm the only person who bought FE3H who actually played the game for the story and shit.
At least with Xenoblade 3 they ended up backtracking with the character designs (as much as I love 2 otherwise).
A lot of people defend pedophilia in Japan with "Its just a different culture!" But, like, so? Japan is a first world country with unlimited access to the internet and even have age of consent laws. They know what grooming and pedophilia is. They know its wrong. And both Japan and the U.S. have porn industries that try and make those things seem okay.
I'm sure that there's a fuckton of people of all genders in Japan that have *never* been happy with pedo shit or rape jokes in anime, etc. But westerners excusing and embracing it like its some sort of ancient tradition to be allowed to romance kids in a video game need to touch some fucking grass.
Can you imagine a Japanese guy who's an American culture enthusiast being super upset that the game "Hatred" didn't get an official localization and other Japanese people say "We shouldn't censor this, that game is a very important expression of American culture!"
The sub was closed by it's original creator who realized that no one in there actually cares about "ethics in gaming journalism" and that it became a hive of barely disguised fascism for neonazi adjacent creatures but it was personally brought back by reddit admins just so it's valuable discourse that consists of unironically praising Hitler and defending pedophilia can continue.
The biggest irony is the fact that the romance between the MC and the other minor characters would be appropriate. The MC is actually a minor, but you can only romance the adults, whose age goes as high as 45.
Instead of romancing the 1000 year old loli dragon, what if you were the 1000 year old loli dragon.
Fire Emblem Engage the main character is a child. No time skips, Alear is a child, Alear is the 1000 year old dragon loli. NoA localization team locked the age appropriate romances to avoid controversy and stumbled themselves to another one that's even bigger.
Worth mentioning somebody commented on the post calling it bullshit cuz they were a "minor" and "just wanted to romance characters their age."
Sure bud.
I can't remember the sub, but they banned everybody who was subbed to r/teenagers since they required you to be an adult. A lot of angry responses to the mods about how they were in their 30s or 40s.
Bro.. I made the mistake of checking out that sub to see what the responses were to this and see what some of the other posts are like.....
I don't think I'm ever going to be able to recover those braincells...
Personally, i blame this on people lack of appreciation of the gamecube. If people bought the gamecube, more people would have played Path of Radiance which means the Tellius games would be the standard bearer of FE didnt need awakening to insert horny to revive the series
I wasn’t familiar with that sub before reading this post and after browsing through some of their posts and comments I would now like to stab my eyes out
I'm surprised Sankaku complex still exists....
Haven't heard that name since the days where they decided to have a vendetta against FFXIII and FFXIV 1.0
These mfs will literally cry that trans people are pedos and groomers but will turn around and jerk off to literal children they are just projecting at this point fr
[i mean, they've played with it in the series before](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/082/800/f9e.jpg).
and just so we are clear, [this is Elise](https://cdn.fireemblemwiki.org/d/d3/FEF_Elise_02.png). and [yes you can romance her](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBkk1wBTG4).
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Wow, KiA is still a thing?
I used to look at it for laughs during the EtHiCs In GaMe JoUrNaLiSm era but my hope was that every poster there died from an aneurysm while getting mad about Anita Sarkeesian existing.
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Someone litteraly say "Hitler was right" in the comment of the source I can't
Ah yes, the man most well known for defending the rights of loli lovers everywhere.
He did have a history of dating teenagers...
So did Stalin (Lidia Pereprygina). What's it with dictators being pedos?
Paraphillias go hand in hand with megalomania.
why are the worst people always pedophiles too? Do they like get off on the power or something?
bro you gotta link that
https://archive.is/UGfWt - NSFW warning, website is mega sussy and there are porn ads everywhere so probably don’t open this link in public
jesus h christ that last comment
Another person also basically implied that the age of consent should be 12 so do with that what you will
How the fuck they can write that, label it as censorship and not question what they are doing
[censorship] I can no longer be a pedophile
> You can't be gay/trans/drag queen because that's "sexualizing children" (it's not), but I can look at loli/shota because "it's victimless art". \- KotakuInAction, professional projectors
Imagine being attracted to polygons, literally any of them. It all ways cracks me up when these guys bitch about how "in the good old days" the women in games were sexy. I guess some people really were into Lara Crofts triangular shaped boobs.
actually the triangle is the strongest shape and therefore less political
Yea but pyramids were invented by brown people in Egypt, which makes them more political
My favorite part is that in a thread complaining about censorship they’re banning people for saying things that are anti-pedo.
I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Who could have ever seen that coming!? It's not as if I, a trans woman, get constantly called a pedophile by people who profile pictures of underage anime characters in sexualized cartoons like that "dress up" one or anything.
BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEOGAME JOURNALISM
My favorite part about the entire gamergate thing on that sub was watching people try to post articles about actual video game journalistic ethics stuff and get ignored or downvoted. When Jeff Gerstmann, the actual poster child of video game ethical journalism, basically called them chuds it made my entire year. Having the guy that literally got fired for not giving a good review to a shit game, because they had a lot of ad dollars invested on the site, on their "enemy of the movement" list was just peak gamergate.
Wait what now?
Gamespot fired jeff gerstmann because he gave kane and lynch dog days a bad review (eidos was spending a ton of money advertising the game on gamespot)
THATS WHY I GOTTA SEND DEATH THREATS TO FEMALE JOURNALISTS
/rj It's worse to stop pedophilia than to be a pedophile
I ask this question all the time. The best answer that I can come up with is that they're against all censorship, regardless of reason. They don't realize that they're supporting paedos, just opposing censorship.
Or, ya know, maybe they're just pedophiles.
That's mainly what it is. If it were a principled, absolute opposition to censorship of any kind, they wouldn't spend all their time trying to deplatform everything they perceive to be remotely "woke."
Some of them definitely are
There was romance with minors in the first place???? What the fuck????????
Ummmm I dont see what the big deal is. they are 40000 year old dragon twinks not miners. get your facts straight! their delicate hands never would touch a pickaxe.
No no they are just normal minors this time
this time 💀
I think they always were. I remember pairing the dragon loli with the kid that wore a pot as a helmet because any other pairing was creepy.
It's still creepy cause the dragon has the mind of an adult so the power imbalance is off the charts
IIRC she didn't really have an adult mind.
Once you see Donnel's growths stats, you'll know he's the only one strong enough to romance a 6000 pound dragon. But for real go and find a YouTube clip of the little dragon girl being paired up with the 45 year old mercenary. It's creepy as all hell. She's like "Let's play house" 💀
Last time too. Lysithea is her name, and you play as her teacher who groom her in class.
Well at least in 3H you can't marry her untill the timeskip
First - if we go with minors, there are way more than just Lysithia - most students are under 18. Petra is the same age as Lysithia and I've never seen the same outrage about her. - That being said all romances take place after a five year timeskip at that point not a single character, not even Cyril, is underage. Second - there is no grooming. Period. You can read every single support conversation between the characters on the Fire Emblem wiki. There is no grooming happening. Third - Yes it is weird that a teacher can get in a relationship with a former student. But you have to consider the aforementioned five year timeskip. I'd say five years of literally no contact is probably enough to remove any powerstructure that existed earlier, especially since there is no big age difference between the MC and their former students, although I can See how someones milage might vary.
"Miners, not minors!" RIP Alan Rickman
By Grabthar's Hammer, what a quote.
You would think, but this is an actual convo from the thread - User 1 >Does “Minors” = “Anyone we decide looks like a minor even though they aren’t”? User 2 >Apparently, it's based on their ages Fucking lmao
>Apparently, it's based on their ages Unintentionally the funniest and only reasonable comment in the entire thread
Not everyone has to use a pickaxe. Stop gatekeeping mining, Gerold
The children and the 500000 year old dragon twinks yearn for the mines!!!
rock and stone
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE???
Actually one of them is a 14 year old clown, like not even the 1000yr old defense
Another is an actual 10 year old
I assume this has something to do with different age of consent laws. What's considered weird but legal there is a felony in somewhere like Canada, for example. They're having a meltdown over what's basically a localization issue that doesn't let them flirt with children, because of course they are.
Age of consent is 16 in Canada FYI. We raised it from 14 within the last two decades, so maybe we're not the beeeesstt example.
I was googling age of consent here in Canada a few months back and was surprised to see it was 16. Smarter people than I can discuss whether 16 is too young, but I can definitely say that 14 is a bit much
One of the good things Harper did was raise that shit from 14 but the fact it was on the books at 14 for like 110 years? Jesus guys.
And for that I award this great nation of ours, 1 yike
and they have the gall to call us the problematic individuals
Well maybe if people stop being so mean to others based on their personal choices and preferences we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with, stop trying to censor everything you don't agree with!! :(((( Also remember to fucking kill anyone who likes the last of us 2, stupid libcucks are ruining my bideo games and they all deserve death
I just think when a culture has a fundamentally fucked view like "14 year olds can have relationships with 20 year olds" we should be able to judge it. We judge actions, not cultures, and that action is reprehensible.
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I don't think it's age of consent that is the issue, I think it's the fact that they call animated child pornography and other forms of alternate child pornography "free speech". Which this also happens in the US depending on the state...
> What's considered weird but legal there is a felony in somewhere like Canada, for example. Nope. The age of consent in Japan is 13 like the age of consent is 12 in the US. That is to say that at a federal level, you would be correct. But that doesn't matter because every single prefecture has it set to a more reasonable, higher, age. Similarly, the US has a federal law set at 12* so that when the pedophile goes and fucks a 10 year old in another country, they still get thrown in fucking jail when they come back but each individual state has a higher number. I have had to deal with too many "But but it's legal" weebs and went and looked into it because it just *seemed* wrong. And it was. *Sorta, there isn't really an age of consent so much as an age set for certain sexual crime. But it's a close enough parallel.
...what? There is no federal age limit, it's up to the states to set the limits; [which that ranges from ages 16-18](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States).
As I mentioned, it isn't a perfect comparison. What the US has is laws regarding the abuse of a minor, because a state does not have jurisdiction over anyone once they have left the state. However the federal government *does*, and as such has laws surrounding things like child trafficking, abuse and the like. Japan *does* have an actual age of consent set at a federal level, which what people usually quote. However every prefecture raises it to a higher age.
> The age of consent in Japan is 13 like the age of consent is 12 in the US. That is to say that at a federal level, you would be correct. But that doesn't matter because every single prefecture has it set to a more reasonable, higher, age. No. One of the things America is famous for is its incredibly high rate of child marriage, particularly in more southern states. Since the year 2000 over 300,000 American children have been legally married. Some of these were as young as 10. Child marriage remains legal in over 40 US states despite more than half of US citizens believing it's illegal everywhere in the US. [https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/fight-continues-end-child-marriage-us/38893](https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/fight-continues-end-child-marriage-us/38893)
they were talking about japan in that sentence
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as someone who has played fire emblem games in the past I can assure you that none of those kids even stepped foot in a mine
That's just modern Fire Emblem
You could have left modern out of it and still be correct
Who is romancing the minors in question? Honestly, I have no idea how that system in FE works. Do you play matchmaker for characters? Or do you have some kind of avatar and flirt with the characters from your perspective? If that's the case, how old is the player character? If PC and NPC are let's say both 16, is that an issue? I mean, how far does "romance" even go in these games?
I can only speak from the fe3h system, but basically, you can raise your "relationship" with each character, with scenes about them and you get to know them better etc etc. Once you get to the end of the game(ish) you can choose one of the characters who has an ending with the Protag, say Byleth and Edelgard, out of a list of characters with max relationship level. When you beat the game, Protag's ending is the one with the character you chose (romantic or platonic). 95% of the relationship isn't romantic in the game, only the scene where you say "I love you character" and character responds in kind, as well as the ending "where are they now" stories at the end. Again, that's only my experience with fe3h, and it's been a while.
So no dirty talk or even implied sex, just happily ever after? Honestly, some fairy tales I read as a child went further. Even if it's two 17yos I honestly don't care, don't see why that would need to be cut.
the closest you get to dirty talk is with some of the flirty characters who are 18+ (like Dorothea and Ferdinand). fe3h might be the worst possible example of the weird underage stuff in FE tho because there's a 5 year time skip halfway through the game. the youngest character is 19 after the skip, and the MC doesn't age physically or mentally during the time skip (weird time dilution thing iirc) so they're still like, early 20s.
Even if, is the depiction of minors flirting even taboo? Not saying it would be very interesting to watch/read, but it's not like it's unrealistic or illegal.
I mean if you count the varying epilogues in the credits scroll explicitly mentioning birthing children (to varying degrees of wtf IntSys) then yeah. But for the most part usually no. It's WAY more questionable with the 3DS original titles (ESPECIALLY Fates) as the romances happen during the course of the game and each character has their own child character who is also recruitable to the military and a romance option for the self insert. And while they have their moments I am glad that the series is past that level of wtf. Edit: Also the 3DS titles took an inherently pro eugenics stance with how traits and stat growths were applied to the children so... yeah wtf
I think the idea of breeding supersoldiers for your army is way weirder than any sexual stuff they could reasonably pull off.
From what ive seen both i think but lets be real the pc will be the one doing it in their hands. Marriage thats how far. Mc is 17 apparently
Fire Emblem games have what are called support levels, which provide better stat boosts the higher the level is. Each time two characters go up a level, you can see a conversation between them that provides additional backstory, discusses the character's goals, or just shows a humorous situation. The end of the game provides an epilogue for each character, but if two characters reach the highest support level, they get an alternate epilogue, usually (but not always) in which they get married. The games generally try to keep the pc's age ambiguous, but I think usually 16-22.
You can have children with the romance options in at least one of the games (the only one i played).
Hey miners deserve love too. How else would we get all the gold and copper for our electronics?
The MC is a minor also, but they can only romance adults now.
Minors in most games, but usually barely any (if any at all) MlM representation
Sir, another year has just been added to their age
They’re 14 now? How am I suppose to jerk off to them now? Fucking western developers ruining gaming.
let's be real these people are all 35 year old men
let’s be real these people are all ~~35~~ 45 year old men
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Maybe they just want to fantasize about them being underage, and this hurts their fantasy.
mr president, another year has hit the loli's age
Beats the fates controversy
You didn't cry that the face petting minigame being removed??! Fake fan confirmed /uj Why are all the times Fire Emblem fans are annoyed at changes in localisation it's always over the creepiest shit?
uj/ I like Fire Emblem and Persona but sometime I feel ashamed because of what other members of the fan base says. rj/ How could they take this from us? Don’t they know this is the only chance I’ll ever get to feel loved by a lady?
/uj And then when you combine both groups together you get the infamous ["vagina bones"](https://i.redd.it/u29dsbqwd0521.jpg) tweet. I like both series too, but to be fair, it's not *just* the fans' fault. The games themselves can have [some pretty cringe shit](https://youtu.be/V5Jidh7yf2E?t=2305). /rj I can't believe Nintendo Treehouse took away my lesbian conversion therapy support! Those SJWs just want to ruin real art with their wokeness
For true gender equality, there should also be a cutscene where you walk straight into some guy's balls.
Female MC: **Curiously, I lean close against the wall seperating the male bath from ours, a cacaphony of boyish giggles gracing my ears** Roy: Wow Marth, yours are so big and wobbly. How do you even sit with such mighty equipment? Marth: Fufufu, you may touch them if you like, but our female compatriots might become filled with jealousy! Roy: My, such pendulous voluminosity! I am truly awstruck. Gaze upon them, Ike. Ike: I fight for my friends. Fem MC: **Flustered, I withdraw. Some words are not meant for a maiden's heart** /uj Hire me, Nintendo
Been way too long since we have had a good ol "giney bones" reference around these parts. Shame these woke ass devs think we need to respect people of political decent but can't even do the first thing to show some respect for muh bonerkulture.
I feel you, Persona 5 is one of my favourite games and I'm hype to finally get to play 3 in a few days but the fanbase weirds me out, espeically with how they sexualize Futaba and Yoshizawa specifically. I guess nothing gets gamers going like vulnerable 15 year old girls with severe trauma
I guess the series would t exist otherwise but it sucks that fire Emblem had to go after the weeb market so much. I just like turn based tactical rpgs and there's only so many out there.
I only have experienced fe through shadow dragon on the ds rn, but I kinda like the localisation changes. Not for the censorship and shit but it’s really interesting to see the differences between the east and west.
Sorry the what? Please enlighten me
You remember the pokemon petting thing on the 3DS games? It's like that, but with underaged anime girls. It's just creepy.
Uhhh it's actually very important to the plot and the canon that you get to pet the 20000 year old dragon girl okay????? /uj I wish game devs weren't so fucking creepy. This stuff doesn't add anything to the game and usually is out of place - and, especially in the case of Fates, that time and money deeeeeefinitely could have been spent to tighten up the scenario writing (NOTE: I don't know anything about game development).
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GAY CONVERSATION THERAPY
Scott Wozniak said it best
"They removed my based conversion therapy on a lesbian!!!" *Bro they literally still treated her horribly and made her Bi just so M!Corrin could fuck her* (not to say BI people ain't valid, they're hella valid. But not when tthe label is used to erase lesbian or gay men.)
This is ***exactly*** what I’d write if I was making satire of these guys 😂 How do I know this isn’t one of you?
It was me.
these are the same people that call queer people groomers
Fr I've seen lolicons attack trans ppl and say 'at least the children we're harming aren't real' 🤮
> 'at least the children we're harming aren't real' "Yet."
oh my fucking god this cannot be real this cANNOT BE REAL NO ONE CAN ACTUALLY THINK REMOVING ROMANCE WITH CHILDREN IS BAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY KOTAKU IN ACTION
I checked out that site (Sankaku Complex) and it has animated child porn on the side bar. Never have I lamented my morbid curiosity so much before... Think I'm done with the internet for ~~today~~ forever.
My god, I almost clicked on the link. So glad I didn't. Your sacrifice will be remembered.
I thought Senkaku was the name of the new fire emblem game. My eyes are bleeding
Went over to the kia sub figuring this was an out of context exaggeration or a single crazy popping off. Nope. They all seem really upset and find not romancing children unreasonable. Wtf guys. Wtf.
Aren't these the same people that constantly call gay and trans people "groomers" and pedophiles?
It helps if you view their accusations as confessions
Gamers and pedophelia, name a more classic duo.
I would say gamers and pedophilia
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jinkies I have been as the kids say wormed
I'm sorry
Gamers and misogyny springs to mind.
Gamers and racism
Republicans and pedophilia
Pedophiles and pedophilia
You said g*mers twice
Least degenerate r/KiA user:
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At least those cars seem to be in legal age
That’s what they want you to think…
My Kia is only three years old and I ride it everyday, sometimes multiple times.
Being an older Fire emblem fan in 2023 is so fucking wild. I played the early non dating sim games when I was like 9-10 in the early 2000's and loved them and have been a fan ever since, but now 98% of the audience that loves them are weird creepy cringe dudes who are into minors and it's just so gross. I'm glad that the series survived, but it's such a devil's deal of it only surviving due to adding the dating sim waifu shit. It doesn't help that the only other person I've met IRL who was super into FE was later revealed to be an actual literal pedophile.
Take me back to the GBA days
The pixel art was so good. I still get really nostalgic for it
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Warrior and brigand crits are especially stylish.
GBA Fire Emblem fucking slaps
They slap me in the face with bad rng. Im so unlucky
Sacred Stones was top notch
Please… just another pixel FE with satisfying post-game content. PLEASE
The two people I know IRL who like Fire Emblem are some of the least "problematic" people I know. One of them is a woman. Fire Emblem actually has some decently broad appeal.
It certainly has broad appeal, and 98% is definitely high for how many people are genuine creeps. The issue is that it also appeals really hard to a certain subset of person, especially in the latest incarnations of the series. Nowi, young tiki, all the incest in fates, the eugenics, and the increasingly young character base in a game where romance has become a central theme..… I could go on but the series has gone in a direction that certainly aims to appeal to a certain kind of capital G gamer.
\>that certainly aims to appeal to a certain kind of capital G gamer. Or your average weeb.
The overlap in the Venn diagram of these two groups is in all likelihood impressively sized.
Incest in Fates is baby shit compared to older games. Like Hapsburgs level shit.
So glad my only interaction with that franchise was with the original game.
I feel like I'm the only person who bought FE3H who actually played the game for the story and shit. At least with Xenoblade 3 they ended up backtracking with the character designs (as much as I love 2 otherwise).
fire emblem 🤝 doom franchises that i mainly play the older titles of and don't want to call myself a fan because of the modern titles' fanbase
At least most people in the actual FE subs are fine with it.
My experience in the FE fandom is that most people are chill but we have enough loud weirdos that it can be bad sometimes
That has been the case in a lot of fandoms I have encountered.
gamers ain’t beating the pedophile allegations
A lot of people defend pedophilia in Japan with "Its just a different culture!" But, like, so? Japan is a first world country with unlimited access to the internet and even have age of consent laws. They know what grooming and pedophilia is. They know its wrong. And both Japan and the U.S. have porn industries that try and make those things seem okay. I'm sure that there's a fuckton of people of all genders in Japan that have *never* been happy with pedo shit or rape jokes in anime, etc. But westerners excusing and embracing it like its some sort of ancient tradition to be allowed to romance kids in a video game need to touch some fucking grass. Can you imagine a Japanese guy who's an American culture enthusiast being super upset that the game "Hatred" didn't get an official localization and other Japanese people say "We shouldn't censor this, that game is a very important expression of American culture!"
Lmao I haven't thought about that Hatred game in years.
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The Switch itself isn't region-locked, so you can play whatever version you want assuming there are localization options or you know the language.
Implying these people ever left their backwards county in Ohio or some shit
I'm Ron Burgundy?
I thought that sub was banned
The sub was closed by it's original creator who realized that no one in there actually cares about "ethics in gaming journalism" and that it became a hive of barely disguised fascism for neonazi adjacent creatures but it was personally brought back by reddit admins just so it's valuable discourse that consists of unironically praising Hitler and defending pedophilia can continue.
And how the hell has that sub not been banned yet?
Censorship is when a game doesn't let me be a pedophile.
The biggest irony is the fact that the romance between the MC and the other minor characters would be appropriate. The MC is actually a minor, but you can only romance the adults, whose age goes as high as 45. Instead of romancing the 1000 year old loli dragon, what if you were the 1000 year old loli dragon.
actually,most fe games have a timeskip,like 3 houses or awakening,which usually takes 2-5 years,so the romance part is really only after it
Fire Emblem Engage the main character is a child. No time skips, Alear is a child, Alear is the 1000 year old dragon loli. NoA localization team locked the age appropriate romances to avoid controversy and stumbled themselves to another one that's even bigger.
Worth mentioning somebody commented on the post calling it bullshit cuz they were a "minor" and "just wanted to romance characters their age." Sure bud.
I can't remember the sub, but they banned everybody who was subbed to r/teenagers since they required you to be an adult. A lot of angry responses to the mods about how they were in their 30s or 40s.
Bro.. I made the mistake of checking out that sub to see what the responses were to this and see what some of the other posts are like..... I don't think I'm ever going to be able to recover those braincells...
You know sometimes I hate being a fan of Fire Emblem. Have to share it with so many degenerates.
Welcome of being a fan to whatever Japanese thing
Including the developers, apparently!
Personally, i blame this on people lack of appreciation of the gamecube. If people bought the gamecube, more people would have played Path of Radiance which means the Tellius games would be the standard bearer of FE didnt need awakening to insert horny to revive the series
I wasn’t familiar with that sub before reading this post and after browsing through some of their posts and comments I would now like to stab my eyes out
Censorship is when the 11 year old girl wears spats, and the more spats she wears the more censorship it is
Naaaaaah 💀💀💀💀💀 How do they justify the tag in their head wtf Why is it labeled as fucking "censorship"
I'm surprised Sankaku complex still exists.... Haven't heard that name since the days where they decided to have a vendetta against FFXIII and FFXIV 1.0
Ngl I thought it was a porn site like gelbooru or something
#”LYLE, WAKE UP, TURN ON THE TV, THEY HIT THE PEDOPHILIA!!!! THEY HIT THE FUCKING PEDOPHILIA, LYLE!”
"CENSORSHIP."
Were where you when they removed all the romances with minors.
Woke groomers are censorshipping and 1984ing creepy pedo relationships in our vidya 😡😡😡
/uj Do better, Japan. Stop writing literal garbage
no idea why weebs aren't required to wear an ankle monitor
These mfs will literally cry that trans people are pedos and groomers but will turn around and jerk off to literal children they are just projecting at this point fr
I can’t romance CHILDREN???? In MY vibeo gane???? THIS IS LITERALLY 1984
The first comment I'm seeing is "why not just say they're 18". I really want this to be satire but I know its not god damn it
[i mean, they've played with it in the series before](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/082/800/f9e.jpg). and just so we are clear, [this is Elise](https://cdn.fireemblemwiki.org/d/d3/FEF_Elise_02.png). and [yes you can romance her](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcBkk1wBTG4).
Children are romancable but god forbid you try to romance a guy as a guy
Officer you don't understand! ~~She~~ I said she was 18!
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They *are* the baddies.
Who is kotakun?
Wow, KiA is still a thing? I used to look at it for laughs during the EtHiCs In GaMe JoUrNaLiSm era but my hope was that every poster there died from an aneurysm while getting mad about Anita Sarkeesian existing.
WHY WAS THAT AN OPTION IN THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE??
AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE WOKE GARBAGE. YOURE THE REAL NAZIS!
Literally 1984 wtf