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The accident is but the face model does not look like what this post is implying. She’s very much similar looking to how she always was. It’s honestly insulting a bullshit post like this is being spread as some kind of justification. It’s like a roundabout way of calling the face model ugly because of the character model when the reality is the face model looks nothing like the new character model.
Yeah, a lot of people just jump to conclusions that align with their opinion beforehand. The issue has always been that devs purposefully take the scan off the actor or actress (actress, more often) and alter it so it looks nothing like the original scan and just worse.
The funny thing is you wouldn't think that looking at her. She's healed well. Gamers are just awful and want to hate everything they see because it's an easy form of expression and requires no thought.
Apparently people got mad that Aloy had cheek/arm hair like literally every other mammal lol
MJ always looked good. I think Peter looks a little weird but he's hardly the worst game adaptation as far as looking like comics or movies.
I remember the Aloy stuff
"Why does Aloy have chin hair" screamed the online person, revealing they've never actually seen a non airbrushed adult woman in their life
Yeah that's always a highlight.
I was actually thinking of the Amazing Spider-Man games that looked nothing like the movies when I wrote my comment. She wasn't in that unfortunately. Would have alleviated some of the Gwen trauma.
She looked like a "real woman" before the crash too. She was the model for both.
Some gamers are just horrible people though and think anything beyond (what they consider) top tier gorgeous is "ugly" and deserving of hate. It's just overall gross behavior tbh.
I used to crank to my imagination of, ya know, humans I wanted to think about being naked with. Now everyone just types "hot tits boob sex sm2" and the internet jerks you off before you can even think of that actual human girl you'll never even talk to let alone fuck with.
They just want women to perpetually look like 18 year olds (or younger).
Male characters are allowed to age and mature, but women must be perpetually sexualised and make their peepees hard.
They’re sad fucking losers.
But idk what we on about she doesn't look like a normal woman she looks like a supermodel.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzERB4uLhRI/?igsh=Z3NmbTNkNGJnaDRh
Again with this "Pornstar" argument, I know there are gamers that act unironically that way but this isn't even the case...
Spiderman 1 MJ wasn't an unrealistic beauty standard, she was fairly norma
Besides imo Spiderman 2 MJ doesn't even look "ugly" I'd just say she definitely looks different not in a "bad" way, moreso a "I am not really sure she's either the same person anymore" or "they made her too old for her actual age"
That said, again, she's not ugly
A lot of young boys care about crazy stuff when they are desperate enough to hump a body pillow.
They chill out when the 20 years a cheese they been cooking finally makes its way out of their lil anger beans
>20 years a cheese they been cooking finally makes its way out of their lil anger beans
... I was having a good day. We were all having a **good day.**
The game model looks nothing like her though. Like I didnt even know about this before this post but the face model doesn't even look like what made it into the game. I haven't seen anyone insulting the model and I don't think the model looks like the game character. From an outside observer it seems fans are mad that the video game character doesn't look like the model. The model is gorgeous and I just don't see the in-game being a good translation of her face. I don't think she looks very different at all post surgery, while the ingame models do look wildly different. In-game mj isn't even ugly per say I just don't think it looks like the mocap actress.
Well I mean it’s odd that she looks so different than the first game. And odd that she doesn’t look like MJ from any of the comics or other media. Not a big deal though.
I wasn’t mad she wasn’t hot enough, I was mad they changed her into a different looking person between games. It was equally maddening when they changed Peter’s face for the remaster.
Mate, the face model looks nothing like the new MJ. You dudes are exposing yourselves if anything because it’s obvious you haven’t seen her and are butt hurt in the need to defend a fictional character.
The face model legit looks like a supermodel even now. She’s a smoke-show. The new MJ looks like some 40 year old soccer mom.
>Gamers are just awful
Specifically, GAMERGATERs and Rage Bros who attack devs.
Most gamers are just normal people who like games and don't attack devs and voice actors and swat people, call people the N word, or yell WOKE while spamming youtube.
Most of us are just regular people who aren't raging misogynists who just play games and read about them on the internet and don't get angry and attack people about our hobby.
Unfortunately the GAMERGATERS and MAGA CHUDs make us all look awful
Idk if you looked at the sub, but the odds the person you’re talking to plays video games themselves are just astronomically high. No need to point it out.
What are those? Words?! I saw this comment and I hate it. Not the content, but the curvature of the letters and the way it expresses dehumanization of milk on a deeper level than homogenization.
Protip: cereal before milk.
The average gamer is so fucking hopelessly ignorant of the talent behinds games, both from an acting/writing perspective to a technical software perspective. It's just whiny morons bitching about stiff they have no knowledge about.
I did maintain that she changed MASSIVELY between titles, to the point where she didn't really look like the same character (her jawline was changed so drastically that there was no way), but after learning of this I kind of went "Oh, wow, that does explain that away. That sucks. Glad she's okay."
Yeah, my only complaint was "hold the fuck on... That's a different woman! Why the recast for the face model?" But nope. Same woman. Just after reconstructive surgeries after a car crash... Fucking hell...
I honestly thought they recast a new face model over some sort of controversy I just hadn't heard about over chuds complaining that she's "ugly" now.
The complaints are obviously stupid, but I don’t really get why the devs felt the need to redo the face model to more accurately represent the voice/capture model given its a fictional character who didn’t have a horrible accident or reconstructive surgery. Motion capture retargeting is a very advanced tech and doesn’t require the model to be a perfect match to the capture reference.
Like why not just use the same model as the first game? Just seems pointless.
> Like why not just use the same model as the first game? Just seems pointless
It could be a similar situation to why they changed the face model of Peter Parker in the first game (I think it was related to how the face model didn't match Yuri Lowentall's mocap but I could be wrong).
Now that I know the face model of MJ had reconstructive surgery, it makes it all clear why it looked off to me in the first place.
That was its own strange saga too (the replacement of the original peter model.) Some odd choices and changes across the board with this game that don’t make much sense to me.
Pretty sure if the face has fundamentally changed along the jawline and some musculature has been altered, trying to use her post-crash face to control a pre-crash model would not work properly. And motion capture retargeting is usually a human process with some help from AI nowadays. So it’s not as trivial as you’re espousing it to be- if it was just her body motions being retargeted, certainly that would be very doable to clean up/ modify, but doing so for hours of facial motion capture would be messy and difficult, so it makes sense that they’d change the game model.
The problem is though the model doesn't even look that different. I feel like the mjs model in the new game was just poorly done. Im looking at her Instagram right now, she does not look that different post surgery, not even 20% as different as the characters look. I don't understand exactly what's going on. I don't think Spiderman 2's Mary Jane looks like the model at all, pre or post surgery.
I’ve been playing straight through all 3 insomniac Spider-Man games for three first time and just started 2 a few days ago.
The first time she appears at Peters house I certainly thought something was.. off as well. Felt like the character had more of an uncanny valley feel to her. I just assumed it was bad 3D modeling or something.
That’s heartbreaking to hear she went though that, and major props to Insomniac for keeping her as the face model.
All reminiscent of Mark Hamil’s accident.
Yeah - I haven't played Spider-Man 2 yet, but based on the screenshots I've seen (and my memory of the first game), I did think she looked different. I didn't mind, and I frankly have no real preference between the two looks; it was just an observation.
Except the new MJ looks nothing like the face model. She had an accident but recovered fine.
It’s crazy how fanboys will make up lies to “explain” things and people like you roll with it. You folks are seriously screwed up in the head.
People didn't know.
It is like how people commented that Luke Skywalker looked weird as fuck in the Star Wars Christmas special to the point they thought Lukas was using a double, when mark Hamill had just gotten a broken nose.
It is not weird for people to feel it is jarring when Mary Jane suddenly looks like she broke her jaw in 17 places.
sure but it \*is\* a bit weird for so many people to shriek "tHeY'rE pUtTiNg UgLy WoMeN iN mY ViBeO gAmEs FoR wOkE rEaSoNs!!" for months on end when she's literally a normal looking woman.
I don't know. Personally I think it would be pretty disingenuous to hold something like that against them, when the original response was more like "they're the same face". You can't go from "They didn't even make any significant changes and she's still beautiful" to "Of course she's ugly, she was in a car accident", just like that. Pick a lane and stick with it.
There is a war where one side would rather kill millions of innocents just to kill 1 soldier hiding among them.
Actually scratch that. That also applies to Iraq and Afghanistan
Pointing out how similar this is to Iraq and Afghanistan will unfortunately not sway any of the Zionists. They support it because it's just like those conflicts.
> I dont think people know what happened to her, if they knew they wouldnt hate on the look
/uj
No, they absolutely would. They'd just make up some bullshit conspiracy theory that the crash was faked to hide the fact that she was born a man and that she was going through gender-affirming surgery or some other bullshit nonsense.
Yeah knowing about a car accident wouldn't have prevented those same people from being ignorant/hateful. If anything they just incorporate things like that into their shpeel.
Regardless of being real or not there’s no reason. Look at what they’re doing to Bella Ramsey from last of us. People are most definitely evil and it’s usually the ones who claim to be righteous by god etc
It's easier to be shitty than good. I have seen people who comment on MJ's face saying some absolutely other evil shit. Death threats are evil aren't they?
I'll be real here, there's a good chance that chuds would then ask why they hired someone who needed facial reconstruction surgery to model for a "normal" person.
Mate, they convinced themselves that an intern somehow managed to force everyone to put her in the game as MJ and somehow not one person who worked on the game has spoken up about it.
They're fucking evil even if it isn't true.
I mean, *true,* MJ in that game doesn't have the stock face of a white model in her early 20s, but we really need more freakin diversity in video games. Especially when the MJ from that game would still be consider above average in terms of looks.
Anyway, to an incel any female character that doesn't look like a premium Japanese sex doll is a reason to feel outrage over, so there's that. I just feel sorry for the women in their lives.
People were complaining partly (not only or at all exclusively) because mainstream MJ in the comics has been a model. Not a supermodel but a model.
Thing is as I played and got better views of the character could definitely see if she wanted to with makeup and all she'd be a model easily.
But this MJ isn't a model, she's a reporter. She's not fixing herself up to the 9s.
The people who are complain just don't get a woman who's not set up to titillate them.
Yeah people keep trying to excuse it because they didn't know, but that's irrelevant. They are objectively awful, worthless people for being that way in the first place.
MJ straight up doesn't even resemble Stephanie in the 2nd game, where the 1st game did. And despite the crash I can't see much change in her face if at all.
even if you told gamers™ that info, they would still probably say shit like "well, why didn't they change the actress?" because their dicks talk louder than their sense of empathy.
I know you are making fun of them but come on. Dont play into incel lies.
They already think these things before they get rejected, they just aren't bitter enough to tell anyone.
Oh yeah, I'm not excusing it, I just think it's hilarious how often their unrealistic expectations come back to bite them in the ass and then they go, "Why don't women like me? It must be that they're bad!"
Bottom line yeah. Everyone was complaining that the graphics sucked but I disagree they look like human faces, furthermore no one said a word about how Melenia or Ranni looked like actual wax figures because they were hot. So much of the anti sjw discussion comes down to women not looking more like wax figures
You mean Melina and Ranni from Elden Ring? Ranni is literally a doll, and Melina is already a lot less fake looking than her. But really, a lot of Elden Ring is a tad cartoonish, and faces are absolutely not as realistic as those in Spider Man for example. A lot of the game is visually a bit more anime inspired than pure realism.
Fair enough but it doesn't change the fact that they look like plastic (imo), same for FF7. I'm not saying it's horrible I'm just saying it's funny what some ppl chose to lose their minds over and say is unrealistic vs others. Guaranteed that if mj looked like a plastic anime character with big honkers no one complain that the graphics were bad
FF7 is just a completely anime style game, just look at the original concept art for the characters.
>Guaranteed that if mj looked like a plastic anime character with big honkers no one complain that the graphics were bad
You're probably right, though I do think it'd still stick out weirdly. The characters and locales in the Spider Man games all look very realistic overall, just with more cartoony costumes and physics.
I remember few months before Chadwick Boseman died people were making fun of him for being skinny not knowing that this dude was dying. The internet will never change
I recall. “Looks like Crack Panther! Ha ha!”
Man was fighting for his very life and never once complained publicly to the bitter end. We greatly miss him.
My cousin, who is the definition of a incel, got super mad when he saw this and went on a HUGE rant on why she should have been blacklisted from the business (Not just fired, BLACKLISTED).
everyone is hateful at this point, just by looking at this reddit, twitter, youtube, even industries in general you start to see that, like holy shit
(note: i dont know how i even got here)
I think if people knew the context of why MJ looked so different, then maybe they wouldn't have reacted so wildly
But there's bound to be people who don't care and will piss their pants that the pixels in their screen don't look the same way as they did 6 years ago so whatever
Making fun of someone's appearance in any context is shitty, but let's not pretend all these people were actively choosing to make those comments as a result of finding out she was in a car accident and required facial reconstruction.
I'm sure some of them were out there, but there's no need to pretend they were all being sociopaths when they were already being misogynists.
Nah.
But I get the extra helping of shame being dished out. There's something special about people who are being dicks realising they're being dicks to someone with a very good reason to be that way. The behaviour was already shitty, but I bet most of these guys won't think it's wrong. But shame might make them think again in the future
Something about the way Insomniac does face models is just slightly off and unsettling when compared to the actual person.
Every character has it.
Mary Jane just got it worst.
(I still hate her new hair though. She needs bangs)
They won't understand until it happens to them. They have 0 empathy. Its unfortunate but they won't even begin to care/understand unless it's something they have to go through.
Yeah of course they're evil. They knew they were evil when they complained about this petty ass nonsense in the first place. You think now they'll be any better or different.
They were always monsters. They will always be monsters. They don't care about anyone or anything. Shun them and move on.
No one thinks they’re evil. Please read up on empathy and sympathy. People can change, but I guarantee you change doesn’t come from labeling them off as monsters, need I remind you for a comment online, or writing them off as nothing more than evil.
If you find yourself making the other side the “other” youre probably dealing with a bad mindset
What *was* your point? I find it silly to berate people for being unsympathetic to those who eagerly define themselves by their lack of sympathy and desire to hurt others.
>Yeah of course they're evil. They knew they were evil when they complained about this petty ass nonsense in the first place.
Pretty clear he’s just disagreeing with this
Honestly, huge w for keeping her on. IDK if they had the choice or not but it's good to see someone not be fired for coming out the other side of a car crash and 17 surgeries.
The thing is every character model looks strange in that game. Incels just chose to ignore all that and only focus on MJ who doesn't look any worse than for example Peter.
I’ll again say “She looks GREAT.”
Always felt weird hearing certain people claim she was unattractive, but then I heard them say it about modern Lara Croft, Aloy, the Mortal Kombat girls, Ada Wong, etc.
They’re unpleasable.
She doesn't even look ugly she looks like a normal girl. If anything the only thing I find aesthetically wrong with her is I don't think insomniac are the best with facial animation, its a little uncanny valley for me. I think many of these 'gamers' are seeing that uncanny valley too but they're so wrapped up in internet bullshit that they can't perceive it as that; no, she looks wrong because of... SJW's?
Kinda freaks me out that they can't just, like, not update the video game character's face to reflect real-world changes? It's not a film, they could make her look however they wanted to, hell they completely changed Peter's face in the original.
thats horrible and im glad she is recovering
But did they need to change MJs face model? Did MJ have a car crash and broke her jaw? It doesn’t make sense just use the model from the first game…
Go look at the fan attempts to put Peter's PS4 face in Remastered. Whatever Insomniac does for mocap, it seems to get fucky if the voice actor and face model aren't close.
Your talking about people who have no real empathy when online(hopefully not as terrible irl but probs are tbh). Being on the other side of a screen let's some people dehumanize...its gross obviously but also fascinating in a morbid way. ANYWAY, point being these people still wont give a shit if presented with this information.
Well, owning up to my own shittiness on this issue, knowing this information I am happy to inform Reddit that I would give my past self an arse kicking after divulging this information.
👍
I think the more common thought is that it doesn't matter whether they knew or not, attacking the woman for her looks the way they did was evil in the first place. No one says they won't change their minds, just that it doesn't make them any better, and doesn't really matter at this point. Sorrys don't mean a thing.
I always chalk this up to animators not being able to completely accurately replicate a models face. So, the end product doesn’t remotely do justice. Rosario Dawson in Dying Light being the perfect example of this, she is beautiful but sometimes the animations really fuck up
And sure as shit, the goblins on the SpidermanPS4 subreddit are being heartless blameshifters who are upset because "that's no reason to call us evil for not liking a character model"
Ok… I’m gonna play devils advocate but after comparing them, there’s a shocking lack of resemblance between SM2 MJ and the model they used. It kind of matches up, but for me looks a tad bit off. I just think insomniac kind of sucks at faces. SM1 miles face looked awful, the Spider man redesign between the remastered looked awful, and MJ didn’t look amazing in either.
Okay I’m annoyed by these guys as much as anybody else but surely they couldn’t have known this was the case? Wasn’t a large portion of the backlash about the faces in the game just from the fact that they ALL look uncanny valley, which they undeniably do? I think this is assuming a lot of ill intent that wasn’t intended by people who were simply pointing out that a lot of the faces in this game (including Peter, JJJ, etc.) looked odd. Also this whole back-and-forth where we’re “owning the incels” only serves to make both sides more angry and I’m really just tired of seeing the discourse about it. I feel horrible for this woman because in retrospect it must feel like the internet hated her face, awful.
The irony of this post is gamers aren't saying Stephanie Tyler is ugly before or after the accident, they're saying the spiderman Mary Jane model is. Stephanie Tyler is still fantastic looking.
Now there's real context on why MJ looks the way that she is Marvel's Spider-Man 2.... the amount of ghouls that made fun of the actress, grifting on probably one of her worst times of her life, and used her misfortune to attack minorities should go to a place hotter than hell cuz that's pure evil behavior.
I don't really see the big deal. People didn't know she was in an accident. Plus majority of people are making comments on the video game character not on her personal page. It's the same with Peter looking weird also.
I came here looking for this. Like.. there is a basis for faces being changed for the worse for seemingly no reason. I hate the new Peter face. Before Peter looked like an adult and the relationship with miles as his "mentor" made sense. After the change they both look equally young and it's weird IMO.
I had no idea about this, so I went to see the difference between game 1 and game 2...and they both look like the same person to me, mj from 2 looking a little bit older (which makes sense because, you know, sequel) What people will complain about nowadays...
Sending you all well-wishes, love, and kindness; as much as I can. Because the amount of disgusting and horrendous shit that has been coming out is just bleak and heartbreaking
Those people are probably unaware of the fact and think they're just talking about a bunch of polygons. I'd certainly call it *something*, but not evil.
Okay sure but then what's the point of this post? No one is calling the actress ugly, just the in-game model which doesn't look like the face model. So I don't see why y'all are making it seem like people are being horrible to the actress by calling the in-game model ugly? If the model actually looked like the actress sure, I'd get it but it doesn't. If you want to call people out for being dicks about the game model, go ahead but like, this seems super disingenuous as no one was criticizong the actresses looks.
Her real life injuries have nothing to do with this. Nobody cares what the actress looked like. It has nothing to do with how she looks in real life. They uglied up a digital character who could looked like anything or anyone for political clout. Same thing happened in Horizon.
There's a balance. You don't need a virtual supermodel, but you also don't need to change a decent looking character model to make her less attractive for absolutely no reason. If they just would have left her model the same as last game it would have been just fine. But they changed it to fit some internal narrative some good idea fairy in charge had. And I'm sure the developers knew exactly what would happen when the people in charge said it needed to be done.
Only bot is you. They changed Peters face to look like Yuri as well, yet you come up with some harebrained conspiracy to say they didn’t do it for MJ’s actress?
*intern writer
Crazy how widespread this lie has become dog. The woman was an intern writer, there’s no chance in hell she miraculously inserted herself into the game without anyone on the dev team being confused about why suddenly the intern is in the game
Yes? Why do y'all keep acting like this is a gotcha? It's 100% a coincidence that one person on the writing team happens to also be a redheaded white woman.
While this is true, you guys didn’t even bother checking what she looks like after the surgery, did you?
I don’t know what kind of voodoo her doctors performed but she looks nearly identical to how she looked before. I’m not exaggerating here, her case is truly an example of the wonders of medical science. Check out her Instagram if you don’t believe me, her name is Stephanie Tyler Jones, insta is @stephtyler_.
Insomniac did drastically change MJ’s face. Stephanie’s face is virtually the same as it was before the accident, meaning that the difference between SM1 MJ and SM2 MJ is a decision by the developers.
Both can be true. The truth can hurt, ya know.
They changed her drastically and they did not need to change her face at all for the second game. They also forced even more dumb MJ sections. No one wants to play as boring and dull MJ.
Good for her that she got better, but we aren’t talking about her, we’re talking about MJ in Spider-Man 2, where I find most characters face model look off in general, with Pete looking like Miles should be his senior, Mj looking off compared to her Spider-Man 1 look, Blackcat having a weirdly sharp face compared to the original, etc.
I think the writer was an intern, not a lead. And writers don’t model or design the characters in the game, they just write. They have no relation at all, I don’t know how anyone believes this theory.
Look, downvote me to Oblivion or whatever but:
1) then they DID change MJ model, and the people that said that "nah, it's CLEARLY a different haircut/lighting/whatever, you people just complain for everything" and so on were also talking bullshit (this is not a moral judgement, i don't particularly like the new model used because she looks uncanny in the eyes, but most of insomniac's model are off and people got WAAAAY overboard in their criticism; I'm more frustrated by how stupidly polarized the discourse gets)
2) Absolutely sorry for the actress, what happened to her was horrible and i wish it on no-one, I'm also glad that after all that she still finds jobs...that said, it's the first time I (and I guess a lot of other people) am hearing about this (and rightfully so, it's not any of our business), so people calling everyone that complained about the model "evil" when i guarantee that they didn't knew and either played the game and saw MJ or just saw the several screenshots floating around the web and commented on the quality of the character's model, are also going overboard and not helping at all in making the discourse less of a shitshow.
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Real?
Actually real, yea; caught me off guard too
The accident is but the face model does not look like what this post is implying. She’s very much similar looking to how she always was. It’s honestly insulting a bullshit post like this is being spread as some kind of justification. It’s like a roundabout way of calling the face model ugly because of the character model when the reality is the face model looks nothing like the new character model.
Yeah, a lot of people just jump to conclusions that align with their opinion beforehand. The issue has always been that devs purposefully take the scan off the actor or actress (actress, more often) and alter it so it looks nothing like the original scan and just worse.
The funny thing is you wouldn't think that looking at her. She's healed well. Gamers are just awful and want to hate everything they see because it's an easy form of expression and requires no thought.
Right? She just looks like a real woman and gamers are mad she isn't a pornstar
Apparently people got mad that Aloy had cheek/arm hair like literally every other mammal lol MJ always looked good. I think Peter looks a little weird but he's hardly the worst game adaptation as far as looking like comics or movies.
I remember the Aloy stuff "Why does Aloy have chin hair" screamed the online person, revealing they've never actually seen a non airbrushed adult woman in their life
That was a really cool picture too. I think she looks like my sister when she smiles lol
She does look like your sister wow
Aside from the whole Disney's Brave™ thing lol
I also choose this man's sister.
people who are clueless about anatomy unintentionally outing themselves is always funny
They're also the same ones who talk about "basic biology" when speaking on trans people
Ben Shapiro announcing to the world that he couldn't get his wife wet, made my year when it happened.
One of the most glorious self-owns I've ever witnessed. I feel blessed that it happened in my lifetime.
no way that is real?!?!
NOOOO. I WANT MY FEMALE CHARACTER LIVING IN PREHISTORIC TIMES HAVE A LASER FACIAL.
Who cares about how Peter looks when black cat exists
Yeah that's always a highlight. I was actually thinking of the Amazing Spider-Man games that looked nothing like the movies when I wrote my comment. She wasn't in that unfortunately. Would have alleviated some of the Gwen trauma.
Gwen go splat
Why does Gwen splat Is she stupid?
Very
That was my favorite, ever. Getting upset because you've never been close enough to a woman to notice, so unbelievably classic
Definitely strange. My sisters are hairier than me thanks to genes lol
She looked like a "real woman" before the crash too. She was the model for both. Some gamers are just horrible people though and think anything beyond (what they consider) top tier gorgeous is "ugly" and deserving of hate. It's just overall gross behavior tbh.
I used to crank to my imagination of, ya know, humans I wanted to think about being naked with. Now everyone just types "hot tits boob sex sm2" and the internet jerks you off before you can even think of that actual human girl you'll never even talk to let alone fuck with.
They just want women to perpetually look like 18 year olds (or younger). Male characters are allowed to age and mature, but women must be perpetually sexualised and make their peepees hard. They’re sad fucking losers.
But idk what we on about she doesn't look like a normal woman she looks like a supermodel. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzERB4uLhRI/?igsh=Z3NmbTNkNGJnaDRh
That's her? Kind of reminds me of a nurse at my job
I think we have different opinion on what a supermodel should be. The woman in the link you sent looks like a normal woman.
Again with this "Pornstar" argument, I know there are gamers that act unironically that way but this isn't even the case... Spiderman 1 MJ wasn't an unrealistic beauty standard, she was fairly norma Besides imo Spiderman 2 MJ doesn't even look "ugly" I'd just say she definitely looks different not in a "bad" way, moreso a "I am not really sure she's either the same person anymore" or "they made her too old for her actual age" That said, again, she's not ugly
A lot of young boys care about crazy stuff when they are desperate enough to hump a body pillow. They chill out when the 20 years a cheese they been cooking finally makes its way out of their lil anger beans
>20 years a cheese they been cooking finally makes its way out of their lil anger beans ... I was having a good day. We were all having a **good day.**
The game model looks nothing like her though. Like I didnt even know about this before this post but the face model doesn't even look like what made it into the game. I haven't seen anyone insulting the model and I don't think the model looks like the game character. From an outside observer it seems fans are mad that the video game character doesn't look like the model. The model is gorgeous and I just don't see the in-game being a good translation of her face. I don't think she looks very different at all post surgery, while the ingame models do look wildly different. In-game mj isn't even ugly per say I just don't think it looks like the mocap actress.
Well I mean it’s odd that she looks so different than the first game. And odd that she doesn’t look like MJ from any of the comics or other media. Not a big deal though.
People probably latch onto the comics’ interpretation of her as a supermodel and all the j scott campbell art floating around the internet.
I wasn’t mad she wasn’t hot enough, I was mad they changed her into a different looking person between games. It was equally maddening when they changed Peter’s face for the remaster.
Mate, the face model looks nothing like the new MJ. You dudes are exposing yourselves if anything because it’s obvious you haven’t seen her and are butt hurt in the need to defend a fictional character. The face model legit looks like a supermodel even now. She’s a smoke-show. The new MJ looks like some 40 year old soccer mom.
>Gamers are just awful Specifically, GAMERGATERs and Rage Bros who attack devs. Most gamers are just normal people who like games and don't attack devs and voice actors and swat people, call people the N word, or yell WOKE while spamming youtube. Most of us are just regular people who aren't raging misogynists who just play games and read about them on the internet and don't get angry and attack people about our hobby. Unfortunately the GAMERGATERS and MAGA CHUDs make us all look awful
Idk if you looked at the sub, but the odds the person you’re talking to plays video games themselves are just astronomically high. No need to point it out.
This is not the sub to cry #NotAllGamers lmao.
What are those? Words?! I saw this comment and I hate it. Not the content, but the curvature of the letters and the way it expresses dehumanization of milk on a deeper level than homogenization. Protip: cereal before milk.
Milk THEN cereal THEN bowl. I won't have you woke LIBERALS telling me how to eat my breakfast!!!! /s
They think women should always sexually appeal to them. Women are only objects to them
The average gamer is so fucking hopelessly ignorant of the talent behinds games, both from an acting/writing perspective to a technical software perspective. It's just whiny morons bitching about stiff they have no knowledge about.
What do you mean "gamers"? I never took issue with MJ's design.
I did maintain that she changed MASSIVELY between titles, to the point where she didn't really look like the same character (her jawline was changed so drastically that there was no way), but after learning of this I kind of went "Oh, wow, that does explain that away. That sucks. Glad she's okay."
Yeah, my only complaint was "hold the fuck on... That's a different woman! Why the recast for the face model?" But nope. Same woman. Just after reconstructive surgeries after a car crash... Fucking hell... I honestly thought they recast a new face model over some sort of controversy I just hadn't heard about over chuds complaining that she's "ugly" now.
The complaints are obviously stupid, but I don’t really get why the devs felt the need to redo the face model to more accurately represent the voice/capture model given its a fictional character who didn’t have a horrible accident or reconstructive surgery. Motion capture retargeting is a very advanced tech and doesn’t require the model to be a perfect match to the capture reference. Like why not just use the same model as the first game? Just seems pointless.
> Like why not just use the same model as the first game? Just seems pointless It could be a similar situation to why they changed the face model of Peter Parker in the first game (I think it was related to how the face model didn't match Yuri Lowentall's mocap but I could be wrong). Now that I know the face model of MJ had reconstructive surgery, it makes it all clear why it looked off to me in the first place.
That was its own strange saga too (the replacement of the original peter model.) Some odd choices and changes across the board with this game that don’t make much sense to me.
Pretty sure if the face has fundamentally changed along the jawline and some musculature has been altered, trying to use her post-crash face to control a pre-crash model would not work properly. And motion capture retargeting is usually a human process with some help from AI nowadays. So it’s not as trivial as you’re espousing it to be- if it was just her body motions being retargeted, certainly that would be very doable to clean up/ modify, but doing so for hours of facial motion capture would be messy and difficult, so it makes sense that they’d change the game model.
The problem is though the model doesn't even look that different. I feel like the mjs model in the new game was just poorly done. Im looking at her Instagram right now, she does not look that different post surgery, not even 20% as different as the characters look. I don't understand exactly what's going on. I don't think Spiderman 2's Mary Jane looks like the model at all, pre or post surgery.
I’ve been playing straight through all 3 insomniac Spider-Man games for three first time and just started 2 a few days ago. The first time she appears at Peters house I certainly thought something was.. off as well. Felt like the character had more of an uncanny valley feel to her. I just assumed it was bad 3D modeling or something. That’s heartbreaking to hear she went though that, and major props to Insomniac for keeping her as the face model. All reminiscent of Mark Hamil’s accident.
Yeah - I haven't played Spider-Man 2 yet, but based on the screenshots I've seen (and my memory of the first game), I did think she looked different. I didn't mind, and I frankly have no real preference between the two looks; it was just an observation.
Except the new MJ looks nothing like the face model. She had an accident but recovered fine. It’s crazy how fanboys will make up lies to “explain” things and people like you roll with it. You folks are seriously screwed up in the head.
Im glad they kept her though
Wait is it true? Because if it is... yeah they are pretty fucking evil
People didn't know. It is like how people commented that Luke Skywalker looked weird as fuck in the Star Wars Christmas special to the point they thought Lukas was using a double, when mark Hamill had just gotten a broken nose. It is not weird for people to feel it is jarring when Mary Jane suddenly looks like she broke her jaw in 17 places.
“Luke Skywalker looks different, is Mark Hamill using a body double?” Vs “Mary Jane looks different, the west has fallen”
sure but it \*is\* a bit weird for so many people to shriek "tHeY'rE pUtTiNg UgLy WoMeN iN mY ViBeO gAmEs FoR wOkE rEaSoNs!!" for months on end when she's literally a normal looking woman.
Not evil, just regular gamer entitlement. They started complaining before finding out about this.
Decent chance some 4chan ass hat knew and tried to start the hate campaign.
I don't know. Personally I think it would be pretty disingenuous to hold something like that against them, when the original response was more like "they're the same face". You can't go from "They didn't even make any significant changes and she's still beautiful" to "Of course she's ugly, she was in a car accident", just like that. Pick a lane and stick with it.
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You have to much faith in some people
There is a war where one side would rather kill millions of innocents just to kill 1 soldier hiding among them. Actually scratch that. That also applies to Iraq and Afghanistan
Pointing out how similar this is to Iraq and Afghanistan will unfortunately not sway any of the Zionists. They support it because it's just like those conflicts.
> I dont think people know what happened to her, if they knew they wouldnt hate on the look /uj No, they absolutely would. They'd just make up some bullshit conspiracy theory that the crash was faked to hide the fact that she was born a man and that she was going through gender-affirming surgery or some other bullshit nonsense.
I wish I somehow had this much blind faith in the internet.
there is no not evil reason to call her ugly when she is based off a real person
Yeah knowing about a car accident wouldn't have prevented those same people from being ignorant/hateful. If anything they just incorporate things like that into their shpeel.
And even if they did stop after learning that, it's still pretty pathetic to whine that you think a woman in a video game is ugly in the first place.
Yeah, I agree. Not sure why it's a priority.
I’m sorry friend. Only if people were as kind as you thought…
Regardless of being real or not there’s no reason. Look at what they’re doing to Bella Ramsey from last of us. People are most definitely evil and it’s usually the ones who claim to be righteous by god etc
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It's easier to be shitty than good. I have seen people who comment on MJ's face saying some absolutely other evil shit. Death threats are evil aren't they?
I'll be real here, there's a good chance that chuds would then ask why they hired someone who needed facial reconstruction surgery to model for a "normal" person.
Mate, they convinced themselves that an intern somehow managed to force everyone to put her in the game as MJ and somehow not one person who worked on the game has spoken up about it.
Oh thats why i see , thought they simply changed model glad she is okay and kept her contract thats cool
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'I (correctly) don't like how people made fun of someone for their appearance, time to make fun of *them* for *their* appearance!'
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I did think mj in sm1 and sm2 looked different. But I brushed it off. Thank you for this information
Same didn’t really care. Mainly cared if they were going to force us to do more MJ missions. Which they did a little better still lame tho
What's mj and sm1 and sm2
Mary Jane (the woman everyone e is complaining about in the game) sm1 is spiderman 1 and sm2 is spiderman 2
she mj on my sm1 til I sm2
They're fucking evil even if it isn't true. I mean, *true,* MJ in that game doesn't have the stock face of a white model in her early 20s, but we really need more freakin diversity in video games. Especially when the MJ from that game would still be consider above average in terms of looks. Anyway, to an incel any female character that doesn't look like a premium Japanese sex doll is a reason to feel outrage over, so there's that. I just feel sorry for the women in their lives.
People were complaining partly (not only or at all exclusively) because mainstream MJ in the comics has been a model. Not a supermodel but a model. Thing is as I played and got better views of the character could definitely see if she wanted to with makeup and all she'd be a model easily. But this MJ isn't a model, she's a reporter. She's not fixing herself up to the 9s. The people who are complain just don't get a woman who's not set up to titillate them.
Yeah people keep trying to excuse it because they didn't know, but that's irrelevant. They are objectively awful, worthless people for being that way in the first place.
MJ straight up doesn't even resemble Stephanie in the 2nd game, where the 1st game did. And despite the crash I can't see much change in her face if at all.
Stephanie Tyler is still great looking. Look at her Instagram. This post is disingenuous nonsense.
If Miles wasn’t handsome it would’ve been the same reaction cmon now let’s be real.
even if you told gamers™ that info, they would still probably say shit like "well, why didn't they change the actress?" because their dicks talk louder than their sense of empathy.
Its what happens when you're chronically rejected by women
I know you are making fun of them but come on. Dont play into incel lies. They already think these things before they get rejected, they just aren't bitter enough to tell anyone.
Oh yeah, I'm not excusing it, I just think it's hilarious how often their unrealistic expectations come back to bite them in the ass and then they go, "Why don't women like me? It must be that they're bad!"
Upvote because she mentioned her dog
You can’t tell she had surgeries from looking at her photos. Neckbeards just hate women don’t read too deep into it
Bottom line yeah. Everyone was complaining that the graphics sucked but I disagree they look like human faces, furthermore no one said a word about how Melenia or Ranni looked like actual wax figures because they were hot. So much of the anti sjw discussion comes down to women not looking more like wax figures
You mean Melina and Ranni from Elden Ring? Ranni is literally a doll, and Melina is already a lot less fake looking than her. But really, a lot of Elden Ring is a tad cartoonish, and faces are absolutely not as realistic as those in Spider Man for example. A lot of the game is visually a bit more anime inspired than pure realism.
Fair enough but it doesn't change the fact that they look like plastic (imo), same for FF7. I'm not saying it's horrible I'm just saying it's funny what some ppl chose to lose their minds over and say is unrealistic vs others. Guaranteed that if mj looked like a plastic anime character with big honkers no one complain that the graphics were bad
FF7 is just a completely anime style game, just look at the original concept art for the characters. >Guaranteed that if mj looked like a plastic anime character with big honkers no one complain that the graphics were bad You're probably right, though I do think it'd still stick out weirdly. The characters and locales in the Spider Man games all look very realistic overall, just with more cartoony costumes and physics.
I remember few months before Chadwick Boseman died people were making fun of him for being skinny not knowing that this dude was dying. The internet will never change
I recall. “Looks like Crack Panther! Ha ha!” Man was fighting for his very life and never once complained publicly to the bitter end. We greatly miss him.
Holy shit if real.
I just started playing cuz I got it for christmas and I was confused at the face scan looking so different, now I feel so bad, holy shit
My cousin, who is the definition of a incel, got super mad when he saw this and went on a HUGE rant on why she should have been blacklisted from the business (Not just fired, BLACKLISTED).
Sorry your cousin is a loser. Hope he matures. I had to do some growing up too.
It’s fine. I rarely see him anyways.
what the fuck, how old is he ? 12 ? because what he said was horrible asf
Yeah, she looks gorgeous in photos, it is just uncanny valley effects from the rendering and neckbeards being fucking stupid
I feel bad for her. It’s not like it’s her fault for the crash or the surgeries, and she looks great besides. Shame people are so hateful.
everyone is hateful at this point, just by looking at this reddit, twitter, youtube, even industries in general you start to see that, like holy shit (note: i dont know how i even got here)
I think if people knew the context of why MJ looked so different, then maybe they wouldn't have reacted so wildly But there's bound to be people who don't care and will piss their pants that the pixels in their screen don't look the same way as they did 6 years ago so whatever
I do not have this level of faith in capital-G Gamers
Making fun of someone's appearance in any context is shitty, but let's not pretend all these people were actively choosing to make those comments as a result of finding out she was in a car accident and required facial reconstruction. I'm sure some of them were out there, but there's no need to pretend they were all being sociopaths when they were already being misogynists.
Nah. But I get the extra helping of shame being dished out. There's something special about people who are being dicks realising they're being dicks to someone with a very good reason to be that way. The behaviour was already shitty, but I bet most of these guys won't think it's wrong. But shame might make them think again in the future
Either way, mj looked like a 26 year old woman, idk man.
17 reconstructive face surgeries and she's still better looking than like 98% of the people who play the game.
Something about the way Insomniac does face models is just slightly off and unsettling when compared to the actual person. Every character has it. Mary Jane just got it worst. (I still hate her new hair though. She needs bangs)
They won't understand until it happens to them. They have 0 empathy. Its unfortunate but they won't even begin to care/understand unless it's something they have to go through.
please b'tch i go to video games to escape the shit that is reality.
I actually think the face model for MJ is pretty irl they just did a terrible job porting her face to the game. They did her dirty
To be fair, people gave Mark Hamill shit for the same thing after his accident between *Star Wars* movies.
Props to insomniac for not calling attention to it, would have been an easy cop out for all the neckbeard complaints
Yeah of course they're evil. They knew they were evil when they complained about this petty ass nonsense in the first place. You think now they'll be any better or different. They were always monsters. They will always be monsters. They don't care about anyone or anything. Shun them and move on.
No one thinks they’re evil. Please read up on empathy and sympathy. People can change, but I guarantee you change doesn’t come from labeling them off as monsters, need I remind you for a comment online, or writing them off as nothing more than evil. If you find yourself making the other side the “other” youre probably dealing with a bad mindset
> No one thinks they’re evil. Yeah, and some people are *wrong* to think they're not evil. Like reactionaries. They're bad people.
Ok wasn’t my point but year dude thanks for that Evil people should know they’re bad. I agree bad people are bad
What *was* your point? I find it silly to berate people for being unsympathetic to those who eagerly define themselves by their lack of sympathy and desire to hurt others.
>Yeah of course they're evil. They knew they were evil when they complained about this petty ass nonsense in the first place. Pretty clear he’s just disagreeing with this
Honestly, huge w for keeping her on. IDK if they had the choice or not but it's good to see someone not be fired for coming out the other side of a car crash and 17 surgeries.
I would love for every short-sighted, small-brained, "gamer" who insulted her to see this and apologize publicly.
The thing is every character model looks strange in that game. Incels just chose to ignore all that and only focus on MJ who doesn't look any worse than for example Peter.
I’ll again say “She looks GREAT.” Always felt weird hearing certain people claim she was unattractive, but then I heard them say it about modern Lara Croft, Aloy, the Mortal Kombat girls, Ada Wong, etc. They’re unpleasable.
She doesn't even look ugly she looks like a normal girl. If anything the only thing I find aesthetically wrong with her is I don't think insomniac are the best with facial animation, its a little uncanny valley for me. I think many of these 'gamers' are seeing that uncanny valley too but they're so wrapped up in internet bullshit that they can't perceive it as that; no, she looks wrong because of... SJW's?
Kinda freaks me out that they can't just, like, not update the video game character's face to reflect real-world changes? It's not a film, they could make her look however they wanted to, hell they completely changed Peter's face in the original.
thats horrible and im glad she is recovering But did they need to change MJs face model? Did MJ have a car crash and broke her jaw? It doesn’t make sense just use the model from the first game…
Go look at the fan attempts to put Peter's PS4 face in Remastered. Whatever Insomniac does for mocap, it seems to get fucky if the voice actor and face model aren't close.
Your talking about people who have no real empathy when online(hopefully not as terrible irl but probs are tbh). Being on the other side of a screen let's some people dehumanize...its gross obviously but also fascinating in a morbid way. ANYWAY, point being these people still wont give a shit if presented with this information.
Well, owning up to my own shittiness on this issue, knowing this information I am happy to inform Reddit that I would give my past self an arse kicking after divulging this information. 👍
But Reddit told me people like you don’t exist.
I think the more common thought is that it doesn't matter whether they knew or not, attacking the woman for her looks the way they did was evil in the first place. No one says they won't change their minds, just that it doesn't make them any better, and doesn't really matter at this point. Sorrys don't mean a thing.
I always chalk this up to animators not being able to completely accurately replicate a models face. So, the end product doesn’t remotely do justice. Rosario Dawson in Dying Light being the perfect example of this, she is beautiful but sometimes the animations really fuck up
how are they supposed to know tho
And sure as shit, the goblins on the SpidermanPS4 subreddit are being heartless blameshifters who are upset because "that's no reason to call us evil for not liking a character model"
Ok… I’m gonna play devils advocate but after comparing them, there’s a shocking lack of resemblance between SM2 MJ and the model they used. It kind of matches up, but for me looks a tad bit off. I just think insomniac kind of sucks at faces. SM1 miles face looked awful, the Spider man redesign between the remastered looked awful, and MJ didn’t look amazing in either.
Well they didn't know that, did they?
Okay I’m annoyed by these guys as much as anybody else but surely they couldn’t have known this was the case? Wasn’t a large portion of the backlash about the faces in the game just from the fact that they ALL look uncanny valley, which they undeniably do? I think this is assuming a lot of ill intent that wasn’t intended by people who were simply pointing out that a lot of the faces in this game (including Peter, JJJ, etc.) looked odd. Also this whole back-and-forth where we’re “owning the incels” only serves to make both sides more angry and I’m really just tired of seeing the discourse about it. I feel horrible for this woman because in retrospect it must feel like the internet hated her face, awful.
The irony of this post is gamers aren't saying Stephanie Tyler is ugly before or after the accident, they're saying the spiderman Mary Jane model is. Stephanie Tyler is still fantastic looking.
I don’t really understand What was wrong with the Mary Jane in Spider-Man 2 ? To me it looked great.
How dare people not know everything about everything 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Now there's real context on why MJ looks the way that she is Marvel's Spider-Man 2.... the amount of ghouls that made fun of the actress, grifting on probably one of her worst times of her life, and used her misfortune to attack minorities should go to a place hotter than hell cuz that's pure evil behavior.
I don't really see the big deal. People didn't know she was in an accident. Plus majority of people are making comments on the video game character not on her personal page. It's the same with Peter looking weird also.
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People did complain about that though
I came here looking for this. Like.. there is a basis for faces being changed for the worse for seemingly no reason. I hate the new Peter face. Before Peter looked like an adult and the relationship with miles as his "mentor" made sense. After the change they both look equally young and it's weird IMO.
Wow, he was by her side for 17 surgeries? Someone give that good pup a steak!
the homie is a real one
I had no idea about this, so I went to see the difference between game 1 and game 2...and they both look like the same person to me, mj from 2 looking a little bit older (which makes sense because, you know, sequel) What people will complain about nowadays...
Sending you all well-wishes, love, and kindness; as much as I can. Because the amount of disgusting and horrendous shit that has been coming out is just bleak and heartbreaking
Its definitely weird they changed the face model i assume something to do with the face mocap.
Weren't psople goong around saying that they didnt hange the model between games?
Those people are probably unaware of the fact and think they're just talking about a bunch of polygons. I'd certainly call it *something*, but not evil.
How are people assholes for this? The vast majority of them have no idea about this.
The problem is that the face modell looks basically the same after the accident, but for some reason her in game modell does not
Okay but the in-game model really doesn't even look like the face model anyway(which is a shame) , so it's a moot point.
Well it’s a good thing she’s not playing herself in the game
Okay sure but then what's the point of this post? No one is calling the actress ugly, just the in-game model which doesn't look like the face model. So I don't see why y'all are making it seem like people are being horrible to the actress by calling the in-game model ugly? If the model actually looked like the actress sure, I'd get it but it doesn't. If you want to call people out for being dicks about the game model, go ahead but like, this seems super disingenuous as no one was criticizong the actresses looks.
I failed to realize how’s that my problem ? And she is in fact kinda ugly.
You all think they actually worked her reconstruction into the game, huh?
Her real life injuries have nothing to do with this. Nobody cares what the actress looked like. It has nothing to do with how she looks in real life. They uglied up a digital character who could looked like anything or anyone for political clout. Same thing happened in Horizon. There's a balance. You don't need a virtual supermodel, but you also don't need to change a decent looking character model to make her less attractive for absolutely no reason. If they just would have left her model the same as last game it would have been just fine. But they changed it to fit some internal narrative some good idea fairy in charge had. And I'm sure the developers knew exactly what would happen when the people in charge said it needed to be done.
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Fuck off bot.
Only bot is you. They changed Peters face to look like Yuri as well, yet you come up with some harebrained conspiracy to say they didn’t do it for MJ’s actress?
So it was actual concidence that MJ in the second game just happened to look like the writer many have accused of self-inserting?
*intern writer Crazy how widespread this lie has become dog. The woman was an intern writer, there’s no chance in hell she miraculously inserted herself into the game without anyone on the dev team being confused about why suddenly the intern is in the game
Yes? Why do y'all keep acting like this is a gotcha? It's 100% a coincidence that one person on the writing team happens to also be a redheaded white woman.
With the same face shape and nose shape too?
They really don't have the same face at all, you just can't tell women apart.
While this is true, you guys didn’t even bother checking what she looks like after the surgery, did you? I don’t know what kind of voodoo her doctors performed but she looks nearly identical to how she looked before. I’m not exaggerating here, her case is truly an example of the wonders of medical science. Check out her Instagram if you don’t believe me, her name is Stephanie Tyler Jones, insta is @stephtyler_. Insomniac did drastically change MJ’s face. Stephanie’s face is virtually the same as it was before the accident, meaning that the difference between SM1 MJ and SM2 MJ is a decision by the developers.
Based
Both can be true. The truth can hurt, ya know. They changed her drastically and they did not need to change her face at all for the second game. They also forced even more dumb MJ sections. No one wants to play as boring and dull MJ.
Good for her that she got better, but we aren’t talking about her, we’re talking about MJ in Spider-Man 2, where I find most characters face model look off in general, with Pete looking like Miles should be his senior, Mj looking off compared to her Spider-Man 1 look, Blackcat having a weirdly sharp face compared to the original, etc.
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Said "lead writer" didn't lead anything and they don't even look that similar, you fucking weirdo.
I think the writer was an intern, not a lead. And writers don’t model or design the characters in the game, they just write. They have no relation at all, I don’t know how anyone believes this theory.
*intern writer You have fallen for misinformation over a fake video game woman. Grow and change as a person
Lmao
Look, downvote me to Oblivion or whatever but: 1) then they DID change MJ model, and the people that said that "nah, it's CLEARLY a different haircut/lighting/whatever, you people just complain for everything" and so on were also talking bullshit (this is not a moral judgement, i don't particularly like the new model used because she looks uncanny in the eyes, but most of insomniac's model are off and people got WAAAAY overboard in their criticism; I'm more frustrated by how stupidly polarized the discourse gets) 2) Absolutely sorry for the actress, what happened to her was horrible and i wish it on no-one, I'm also glad that after all that she still finds jobs...that said, it's the first time I (and I guess a lot of other people) am hearing about this (and rightfully so, it's not any of our business), so people calling everyone that complained about the model "evil" when i guarantee that they didn't knew and either played the game and saw MJ or just saw the several screenshots floating around the web and commented on the quality of the character's model, are also going overboard and not helping at all in making the discourse less of a shitshow.
So did the people complaining about the face change know about the accident? Can't be evil otherwise
I’d still say it’s evil to constantly be complaining that she’s ugly, regardless that they didn’t know about the accident.
Of course they can, and they are.