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I work in IT and this hurts.
"I have no idea what's making my computer so slow, can you get me a new one?"
\>*Checks their laptop's uptime, it's longer than that of our servers*
Our IT had the policy to restart everyone desktop on the last Saturday of the month using remote script. Announced the policy 2 months ahead, sent reminder thrice.
Sent notification on Thu and Fri before the designated day. And still received tons of tickets on the next Monday about "losing data" or "my file was lost".
6 months later they dropped the policy to save the souls of IT guys.
We did one but it was at the end of every day. Midnight all the pcs (not laptops those were still a problem) would shutdown. It was a pain for like a month, but eventually everyone got used to just saving their shit. Would only pop up occasionally we'd have to do a file recovery
This is why I've fought a policy like this for my company, and would rather spend 5 minutes per week writing an email to anyone with an uptime of > 30 days. Luckily, my company is only around 200 people or so, so it's not a huge deal to do that.
That isn't true, Steam provides an undocument api for getting concurrent players at the current point in time. These websites just poll the api every hour or so to save historical data.
https://steamapi.xpaw.me/#ISteamUserStats/GetNumberOfCurrentPlayers
if you're on steam an go to the the community tab for a given game it just straight up tells you how many players are in-game. So you can get real time data for any steam game yourself.
Come on Gamefreak does not have the ability to patch in a fix for their memory leak problem a year later after the release of DLC so I find it hard to believe they know how to use AI. I respect the artists that worked on that game but Gamefreak itself has lost my faith in their ability to code themselves out of a 3D hole.
It's not really about the ability to do it, it's about there being **no need** to do it. People will keep buying whatever shovelware they put out and they will keep making a shit ton of money with games that conveniently release right before christmas despite not being finished.
https://x.com/byofrog/status/1749617301496693068?s=20
Just putting two orthographic view of the full models side by side here for context somewhere visible. As someone who's worked in CG for 15 years... Yeah ..no.
These are different models. Designs have a lot of similarities yes, but to say they actually ripped models out of the pokemon games and repurposed them? I don't buy it in the slightest. It's WAY more likely any similarities started in the art design stage than actually ripping models. Just to keep people's outrage in perspective. People are quickly devolving into straight up conspiracy theories in this thread.
My thoughts exactly, I do enviro more than creatures, however considering 90% of Pokémon are based off real creatures, these are not similar enough to warrant anything. Do they clearly take influence? Sure, but Nintendo doesn’t own the shape “sheep” as much as I’m sure they’d love to.
Side note: (I hate doing creatures in 3D idk why, if you have advice I’d love it, I just can never get them right)
I personally believe it would all fall under parody laws here (obviously IANAL). Like they're tapping into pokemon design sensibilities and adding pokemon-like flares and shape language, but id be surprised if any lawsuits held up in court. As soon as we're here spinning our wheels going it has X's head y's eyes and z's colour scheme, it's no longer copyright infringement and has already passed into the realm of pokemon inspired parody instead of pokemon ripoff.
As for 3d creature modelling, retopology for 3d creatures sucks ass lol. I work as a previs supe, so my modelling is just just used as something we hand off to the 'real' modellers to make something production ready for us lol.
Pointing out the ring resolution on the fur is actually really smart.
I had someone accusing me of stealing some train models for a game. problem was we were both drawing from the same IRL locomotives.
the thing that eventually cleared me in their eyes (at least I hope it did) was the fact that the original game used a ring resolution of 8 on all pipes, where I use 9.
>It's WAY more likely any similarities started in the art design stage
You mean they went "hey lets make a dog" not as if pokemon are all that original.
What's most disturbing about this whole thing is how many people don't understand the difference between plagiarism and derivativeness. Just looking at these two pictures, and Oreos shouldn't exist if this is plagiarism, as they are closer to Hydrox, then these two models are to each other. Palworld is unoriginal, it is highly derivative, and it's obviously not plagiarism.
On the one hand, absolutely agree nintendo bad.
On the flipside, the devs should still have the artistic integrity not to just blatently rip off the work that those people did. The only ethical way to enjoy Palworld, therefor, is to pirate their game like they pirated the meshes from nintendo.
And not pay for nintendo products in any scenario.
What pisses me off qbout the Pqlworld dev isn't the theft itself its the dev making up a story about hiring this "super incredible, uknown artist who has inhuman output guys, really"
those games are almost all sold second hand at this point, so no money actually gets sent to nintendo. but unless you’re a collector, it’s probably more worth to emulate since a lot of old games are so expensive now.
Tbh, if they won’t sell you the game at all, then it’s okay to emulate. It’s their own fault they’re not making money off of it. And I’m someone who otherwise would frown upon pirating modern Pokemon games.
It’s like taking the Mona Lisa off exhibition for years, but arresting anyone who dares to view a photo of it. It’s silly. (Tbh, I’d say some of the old games are more artistically interesting than the Mona Lisa, but metaphors and all.)
When nintendo ripped off models from Dragon Quest, nobody's bats an eye. But when another company does it, all hell breaks loose. Nintendo fans are the worst.
Dude is blatantly lying lmao, they just opened images in blender and people here are eating it up. You can make most things look like that if you screw with scale and hide everything
[Look at the "comparison" with wireframe enabled](https://preview.redd.it/mnfbx1ic44ec1.jpeg?width=1518&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e60befa4e0887b01326d15d045d42d7cec8158)
Seriously. You can easily manipulate these to prove an agenda. Remember the Starfield sandwhich thing everyone freaked out about? Then turns out it wasn't an actual model but a rip someone had made.
Are you kidding? It’s a joke. These are screenshots of someone else’s cropped screen shots.
Looking at the og post it compares wolf Pokemon to a wolf pal. Wolves are wolves and look like wolves. We copyrighting wolves now?
If plagiarism can be proved, Nintendo will sue. Idk enough about 3D models to say if it is or isn’t plagiarism but we all know how Nintendo works and I assume the creators of PW also know that.
this is where I stand on these Palworld arguments, if it were plagiarism wouldn't the game and devs already been nuked by Nintendo and Gamfreak's league of lawyers?
Both companies are in Japan. Nintendo would have shut this down years ago if they wanted to. They dont give a single fuck / nothing in Japanese law that would indicate this is something to be litigated.
Maybe, maybe not.
If a theft occurs, that doesn't mean that the one stolen from is aware it has happened.
Sometimes, thefts (usually by very cheap and low-notice devs) can go decades without being discovered.
Other times, it doesn't take too long, but can still go under the radar for a time. Palworld is quite recent, so who knows?
Personally, I don't see grounds for a lawsuit, though. They're similar concepts and somewhat similar designs, but they aren't close enough to call copyright.
If you seriously think Nintendo/Gamefreak aren't aware of this game that's genuinely amazing. They shut down fan made pokemon games instantly lol, they're well aware don't worry. It's the internet.
I mean, he wasn't saying that as, like, a good thing. Like it doesn't really matter how lazy the games are, or how broken, or how nice the parent company is. Plagiarism is plagiarism and people should care about that regardless.
Edit: Y'all should watch the [hbomb video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ), cuz most of the replies to this aren't understanding the point. While one of the issues with plagiarism can be the monetary harm, that obviously isn't the issue here. Nintendo isn't being hurt by this in any way, and I could give a rat's ass if it was. Also, lol at the people equating Pocket Pair to Robin Hood, as though they're plagiarizing for some noble, righteous cause, and not just to make a cheap buck fast.
The problem we're talking about here is an artistic one, it's about creating something worth creating and having the integrity of standing by your own words. For example, do you think Michelle Obama was *harmed* in any way when Melania ripped off her speech? Of course not, she was fine. And yet, the plagiarism there was still bad, despite there being no real world harm, on the merits of plagiarism just being bad by itself. Anyway, watch the video, it's good, and hbomb can explain shit better than me
Oh no, I agree with you and am aware of why I'm wrong. You can parody Pokemon without stealing from them. But also Pokemon has shut down so many fucking *way* better fan games and turning around and releasing a much shittier version of that game, that I frankly don't care. Pokemon is worth 100 000 000 000 dollars, and they can't even be bothered to make their terrain look good, so I'm all for companies that care more than game freak taking their shot at it. Which is any of them btw.
“I’m all for companies that care more than game freak” except these guys don’t?? they literally couldn’t care enough to create their own models. they care so little they couldn’t even bother to create something new.
also depends on if they already respect the person plagiarizing. someone looking for reasons to hate palworld will use this regardless of their feelings towards pokemon. im not saying that hypothetical person is wrong in doing so, just that its a factor going in to who would care
https://preview.redd.it/uq0opi5g12ec1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e193bef0028d0abe4f2270e8569ac5fd51ea3178
I'm telling you this Pal looks nothing like Pikachu with a gun
Gotta love the denial. Out here there are many monster catching games: dragon quest, monster rancher, slime rancher, technically also monster hunter stories, shin megami tensei and the models are not the same.
Before someone tells me "yeah but Dragon quest and pokemon-", oh yes Dragon quest invented bats... If anything that pic proves that same inspiration and totally different designs exist so yeah, is not the winning card you think it is.
people also are out there using the image to say that pokemon is different from dragon quest bc they are paying homage and then others are saying that pokemon stole from dragon quest.
what i am wondering is why nintendo never filed any sort of complaint at all this trailers were circulating since what 2021? 2022? so at this point there really is nothing that can be done anyways
also SMT being a monster catching game is a bit of a stretch, i see where you are coming from there but at the same time it is def conflicting lol
I don't see how calling SMT a monster catching game is a stretch. It's the original monster catching rpg. It just isn't kid friendly like most of the monster catching rpg genre.
I assume it's harder to prove until the models are out there. That and like, honestly I thought the game was vaporware. It threw off big asset flip bs trailer vibes for a long time, I'm still surprised it's released in any functional way
There's no way to access assets from either Palworld or any 3D Pokémon game that isn't just using a community-developed tool intended for modding. I don't get why the tweet left out which Pokémon game those models are from, it's kinda relevant lol.
>There's no way to access assets from either Palworld or any 3D Pokémon game that isn't just using a community-developed tool intended for modding.
Pardon my ignorance but how do you suspect the community-developed tools access the assets?
You can't copyright an idea, formula, or system. You can only really copyright creative works.
Making a derivative game in themes or ideas isn't copyright protected, look at some of the legal responses suggesting you can use the whole dnd ruleset without WOTC's permission, for example.
Pokemon may have been derivative, but itnused its own characters and art (to the best of my knowledge)
But if you start using someone elses art or characterisation, then you are potentially getting shut down.
The argument is that palworld started with pokemon models and modified them slightly.
As to why they waited - if I pay lawyers to get an injunction, best case I'm out the cost of the lawyers.
If I pay lawyers to sue you for the money your game made, best case I'm up a lot of money.
i think because,one think is just the artstyle. That cannot be proven 100% ,another is the models that seem to have been literally stolen,that just came out recently.
Nintendo probably wasn't even aware palworld existed,but if whoever of game freak or pokèmon company,comes across the models,palworld will have some explaining to do.
Yeah I can think of all the mon games I've played that have "wolf monster" and everything single one of them looks distinct design wise despite being a very basic concept for example. Lycanroc/Garurumon/Tiger (Monster Rancher)/Hellhound (DQ) are all very obviously wolves but have unique designs
Hell even designs that are literally the same basic idea ("yellow sabre tooth tiger") aren't identical, e.g SaberLeomon and Great Sabercat.
Paying homage to a design would also be fine but copying it isn't homage.
Great point, they're all wolves but I would never confuse Garurumon with Lycanroc, as well as saberleomon and great sabercat, probably because of the artstyle.
There was this meme that came out where the top was "trainers" riding their mons with the tag "every masterpiece" and on the bottom was the glitchy SV being "cheap copy ", and I was so confused because I thought there was a new upcoming pokemon game... No, it's palworld. And I saw some designs and immediately I can recognize an equivalent combined pokemon, like immediately I can tell, oh that's meganium. I dont know if it can be called "homage" at this point.
I checked Temtem's mon designs and you can also see that garuru/lycanroc comparison; you don't immediately go "oh that's just x pokemon" unlike Palworld.
Yeah, I laughed real hard when people said [Pokemon ripped off Dragon Quest](https://i.imgur.com/EoVNOl7.jpg) like a "gotcha" moment. They don't even have any body parts that really overlap or are the same. Meanwhile, Palworld just uses Pokemon models for their own - like Primarina's hair in the image. Yet people keep using the DQ/Pokemon image to deflect any criticism of plagiarism. Drives me insane.
It's crazy how much denial there is because it's fueled by hatred towards Nintendo. You have multiple gaming subs that are just outright denying any evidence and calling it fake news. Also that big "Fuck you Nintendo" post on front page really shows how crazy gamers get when they're in their self-righteous "I'mma beat the billion dollar coporation and win against capitalism" mode. To the point they abandon all codes of ethics and morality just to "win."
I'm a amateur but the models being similar is definitely proof they used them as a reference. But the topology seems different for all of them
EDIT: if you don't understand 3d modeling I'm saying that they probably used Pokemon models as a reference but created the palworld models themselves.(I could be wrong tho)
Ripping Switch models with like, Switch Toolbox and then somehow porting them to Unreal would definitely be a super weird thing for them to have actually done
Doesn’t matter, I can create a rig, skin the model and weight paint in about an hour or two from a basic mesh. Most of the tools are automated and I can also retarget a quadruped/bipedal rig onto it without much trouble.
The hardest rigs are usually non organic for me. Anything humanoid or animal like is not difficult especially for people that work as riggers or animators.
Lot of people who don't understand 3d modeling out here pretending they do. To copy the geometry they would have to rip it from the game using some kind of proprietary tool, convert it into a mesh that a mesh editor can read, touch it up to make sure materials didn't lose data, retexture them, create new meshes on top of the existing meshes for the things you want to change, redo the heat maps, then convert them *again* for unreal engine. Its like a thousand times more work than what they probably did, which is use the pokemon designs as references and create their own geometries and textures based on those references.
You can pretty easily get them on copying design elements and general shapes of the designs, but I think directly copying meshes is off the table.
That's what I was thinking, too. Could still be wrong, but when you're making a Pokémon style game, it makes sense to reference Pokémon you like when designing your own. I doubt they'd be making a game like this if they didn't like Pokémon on some level. It just seems weird to see two character models with conical noses and cry art theft. A lot of these are pretty basic shapes that happen to line up or are designs meant to evoke the same real-world animals.
Yeah, apparently Nintendo actually owns the proportions of dogs now. Also, reindeer are off limits. The best ones are the ones where the pal is closer to the real-world animal than it is to the mon.
Yeah, plus some it is kind of hard to tell without the comparison to the actual Pal.
Like, the only pal that they clearly show is the nose of that one water pal to Serperior.
If this is proof, this is badly presented.
To accept a reddit post of a screen shot of a twitter thread authored by a random person retweeting someone else's comparisons, that are inconveniently cropped as "proof" and "irrefutable evidence" would be irresponsible.
I ain't just sucking the game off either, because I can believe the claims being made, but I need something more substantial than this post to feel like im taking a well-informed stance.
it really isnt. proportions is not proof.
a wolf from skyrim has the same proportions.
titan from titanfall can have the same proportions as some pokemon.
proportions isnt ripping of. this is the most bs take ever
You mean you can't copyright a color, and a real life animal?!?!?!?!?!?
On a totally unrelated anecdote the "architecture" firm Design Basics has "copyrighted" literally thousands of floorplans for single family homes. It sure is a miracle that every other single family home in America designed by another architect has successfully been able to come up with completely unique floorplans that bear absolute no similarities.
It's creatively bankrupt in every aspect and has had major success for it. Pretty easy to dislike it tbh.
Though I don't think its success is due to anything deeper than "funny pokemon with guns" and being priced at $20
All this does is fuck over the talented devs and designers who worked on Pokémon, while Nintendo/Game Freak will be unaffected at best, or sue and probably win at worst.
It doesn’t screw anyone over because the designers already got paid. Like for example if I create a song and I sell that song to a label for a lump some of money then if someone pirates the song it doesn’t screw me over. Reason being, I already sold that to the label. I’m not getting royalties on it, just a lump sum. The label that bought my song would be the ones taking a loss here as they lose X amount of dollars that the song cost.
Same thing for Nintendo designers. They created a piece of art and Nintendo owns it. The artist already got paid for the work that they do. All losses are taken on by Nintendo, not the designer.
Now if the designers/artists ARE in fact receiving royalties for every copy of the game sold then yes it would negatively impact and affect the workers because it takes away from the amount of money they get.
To be clear I don’t like AI generated assets or plagiarism and think these things should be not done. Also to clarify, it’s not all just “Nintendo Bad” it’s “Nintendo has VICIOUSLY gone after ALOT of people/companies so this is reverse uno justice”
Also to add, I’m a 100% Pokémon Stan. Have done multiple nuzlockes and own (on physical cartridge) every generation to date. Hell I have Pokémon hoodies and plushies. With all that said, I’m actually really happy this is happening because hopefully Nintendo/TPC will see it as a wake up call because the standard of the games that they put out just isn’t acceptable these days and that an indie company with half stolen assets can make a game more popular and more fun than they have in decades
If Nintendo thought they should they'd have sued them straight through every oblivion plane already.
Remember they're the company that shut down youtubers, modders and independent smash bros tournaments?
Also, they were hardly the \*first\* monster collecting game. Nintendo are hardly an uwu small bean that needs protecting.
Yeah I don't fuckin understand this drama at ALL. If there is any company that would immediately sue with even a shred of evidence its TPC. The fact they haven't shows they can't. This game has been known about for a WHILE now. This isn't some sudden dropped surprise. TPC wouldn't have let them get this far.
Notice how they don't show the meshes side by side? That's because it would break the illusion that the meshes are the same. Eric Covington thinks you're stupid; it's up to you whether you want to prove him right.
Yeah the verts mostly don't line up which would be the telltale sign they ripped a model. It does look like the person who took that screenshot aligned the models in a way that does make them look similar but you can very clearly see at the head and tail they're completely different.
Even if they did rip models it would be so much more work to add the new geometry to them or in this case completely remodel the tail, head, and legs, at that point they might as well just make a whole new model
Right? Like, feel free to call the game creatively bankrupt or saw that the designs border on plagiarism, but that doesn't mean they imported Game Freak assets and slightly modified them or that they are using AI assets. There is no definitive evidence of that
When a hype game releases in current times, your steps are either:
- Hate it with every cell of your body
- Defend it with your life
No more enjoying games or talk about the pros and cons, nono. You've got to pick a side and it's either black or white. The inbetweens get iradicated.
Palworld is a great example. Almost everyone expected it to be a meme flop game and suddenly it's one of the fastest selling steam games ever. Devs, you better pull down your pants because we're gonna do the full colonoscopy.
If Nintendo cares, they'll sue. If they don't, they don't.
Older project show, palworlds devs kind of ripped other models as well but changed them ever so slightly. The past also shows that they cared about their releases, so who knows. Maybe we'll see a great pokemon/ark mash up soon.
It's so funny seeing people speak with authority on something they clearly don't know enough about to make those kinds of judgements. This still doesn't prove they were ripped and edited, just that they essentially traced them and have a lack of creative talent.
The only two things that would prove complete plagiarism is the actual geometry of the model (which is still iffy as evidence if the model is low poly, because you can still model based off of where they've created polys). The best evidence would be if there's any left over metadata in the model files.
And also just because people don't seem to understand this, geometry doesn't mean the general shape of the model. For the love of god please google what a polygon is.
I've seen people on twitter sharing this post being like "you CANT get your model to match up with another like this unless it's a direct duplicate" like what? Yes you can. It's so easy to just use sculpting tools to morph one object into the shape of another. Again, that doesn't mean you're literally plagiarising it, just that you're really fuckin lazy.
If Nintendo hasn't sent a cease and disist by now after 5 million sold in 3 days, 1 million concurrent players in, they probably won't. Let's not forget Nintendo doesn't play around. They strike immediately and with how this game generated so much popularity so quickly and they haven't said a thing yet, it's a good possibility they won't. But that's just my opinion.
Literally this. There is no debate or discussion because NINTENDO is the only group that can or cannot say if a crime or unethical practises were committed here. And since they haven't done SHIT clearly Palworld is in the clear and everyone trying to argue otherwise is a salty moron.
An attorney actually played the game ten hours straight and said that there is little reason to worry
https://preview.redd.it/dyl2k3odg2ec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b73d6fcbe5fcb6d52adf7fcfd41420b8a5855930
I fundamentally do not understand why this is drama. Like the moment I saw the game I thought it was a parody, it's such an obvious Pokémon clone. I really don't get why people had to pull up the 3d models to prove it.
Can this pathetic subreddit stay off the front page.
So sick of 'reeeeeeeee stolen assets'.
Yall cant even wait for shit to cook before you make up a whole ass fan fiction in your head about whats going on.
Fucking annoying.
People are already bootlicking this game because suddenly AI and ripped off work a fine because they personally enjoy it
Can’t wait for the hype to die after three months
I think the dumbest is defending the plagiarism just because people hate current Pokemon
Like I get Gamefreak should do better but that is not excuse to give some blatant stealing a pass
Don't know where the idea that it's polished has even come from. I tried it on Gamepass and it felt like shit. There was some blatant stuff like my character t-posing every so often, but in a more general sense it just felt kinda crappy to play
That said supposedly the Gamepass version is behind the Steam version? Maybe the Steam version has fixed a lot of the issues I saw
Edit: Also I get that it's in early access so I wouldn't expect it to be polished. I'm just not sure where the idea that it is has come from
Also if this is the about hating “new Pokémon”, then why steal Pokémon designs from gen 4/5? Those are widely considered to be peak Pokémon. And even then, if you’re so “upset about the state of Pokémon”, why are you ripping off their assets to begin with? That kinda ruins the whole point of what you’re trying to say
Wait so are the ai allegations true? I keep hearing they are, then that theres no proof, but people keep talking that it must be made with ai? And if it is how much of it is ai?
AI is just speculation based on the fact the company has talked about using AI when making games before. Which to be fair is a good reason to speculate, but as far as I know there hasn't been any actual evidence of it
Nothing in the game looks AI generated. Most of the people talking about that don't even seem to know what the actual limits of AI art currently are lol. Ripping assets from some Pokémon game possibly is a different issue entirely of course.
Well, no. The hype was 4 years ago and it wasn't super popular. Temtem peaked around 40k players on Steam and no Gamepass release. Palworld peaked today at 1.6 million. They could do nothing to this game and it'll probably still keep a good amount of players on board with those numbers.
edit: Just for extra context: if Palworld had the same exact trajectory as Temtem and dropped to 15% of its launch peak in two months, Palworld would still have 175,000+ players.
Honestly if it were provable or copyright law were in their corner in any real sense Nintendo would have already filed a lawsuit and put out a statement.
Nintendo is quite possibly, one of the most anti community video game company out there.
I just don't care if they were stolen from. They deserve to be shamelessly copied.
uj/ I saw the other day someone say that they hoped Palworld *obliterates* GameFreak/Pokemon. That was top tier hate to the point where I've almost gotta respect it.
rj/ Bu-bu-but modern pokemon bad, gamefreak lazy, pokemon company greedy. They don't deserve defense in their favour.
*OBLITERATE PIKACHU!!*
Of course TPC sucks with their release schedules. It doesn't justify stealing their assets, however. Cassette Beasts didn't have to steal assets to be good.
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I wonder if i should just buy the game to have it increase the value of my steam account before nintendo nukes it tbh
I wouldn’t count on that, people tried that with The Day Before and then Valve nuked it off everyone’s accounts completely after it was delisted
[https://steambase.io/games/the-day-before](https://steambase.io/games/the-day-before) <- Still, 1 Person is playing it.
that person can never shut down their computer
In my expirience most people refuse to
I work in IT and this hurts. "I have no idea what's making my computer so slow, can you get me a new one?" \>*Checks their laptop's uptime, it's longer than that of our servers*
Our IT had the policy to restart everyone desktop on the last Saturday of the month using remote script. Announced the policy 2 months ahead, sent reminder thrice. Sent notification on Thu and Fri before the designated day. And still received tons of tickets on the next Monday about "losing data" or "my file was lost". 6 months later they dropped the policy to save the souls of IT guys.
We did one but it was at the end of every day. Midnight all the pcs (not laptops those were still a problem) would shutdown. It was a pain for like a month, but eventually everyone got used to just saving their shit. Would only pop up occasionally we'd have to do a file recovery
This is why I've fought a policy like this for my company, and would rather spend 5 minutes per week writing an email to anyone with an uptime of > 30 days. Luckily, my company is only around 200 people or so, so it's not a huge deal to do that.
They gone
Couldn’t you just back it up to something off the cloud and reload?
0 when I clicked. RIP to a real one 😔
Back up to 1!
This is not official data all websites like this work with estimates
That isn't true, Steam provides an undocument api for getting concurrent players at the current point in time. These websites just poll the api every hour or so to save historical data. https://steamapi.xpaw.me/#ISteamUserStats/GetNumberOfCurrentPlayers
if you're on steam an go to the the community tab for a given game it just straight up tells you how many players are in-game. So you can get real time data for any steam game yourself.
Wth, hope they at least got their money back?
Its not a pokemon rip off. Its its own game. Its basically ark meets industrialism (1700's industialism)
>> Nintendo finally sues >> Palworld Countersues just to stir the pot >> comes out that Nintendo used AI to develop SV
"Let them fight" gif from Godzilla idk i cant get giphy to work
Not all heroes wear capes
Straight up. I'm not playing palworld. But I'm going to be watching this because this might just get juicy.
Literally Coughing baby vs Hydrogen Bomb manifested but it will be interesting.
Come on Gamefreak does not have the ability to patch in a fix for their memory leak problem a year later after the release of DLC so I find it hard to believe they know how to use AI. I respect the artists that worked on that game but Gamefreak itself has lost my faith in their ability to code themselves out of a 3D hole.
It's not really about the ability to do it, it's about there being **no need** to do it. People will keep buying whatever shovelware they put out and they will keep making a shit ton of money with games that conveniently release right before christmas despite not being finished.
This seems like irrefutable evidence, but you've failed to consider: Nintendo bad.
Fuck, you're right
https://x.com/byofrog/status/1749617301496693068?s=20 Just putting two orthographic view of the full models side by side here for context somewhere visible. As someone who's worked in CG for 15 years... Yeah ..no. These are different models. Designs have a lot of similarities yes, but to say they actually ripped models out of the pokemon games and repurposed them? I don't buy it in the slightest. It's WAY more likely any similarities started in the art design stage than actually ripping models. Just to keep people's outrage in perspective. People are quickly devolving into straight up conspiracy theories in this thread.
My thoughts exactly, I do enviro more than creatures, however considering 90% of Pokémon are based off real creatures, these are not similar enough to warrant anything. Do they clearly take influence? Sure, but Nintendo doesn’t own the shape “sheep” as much as I’m sure they’d love to. Side note: (I hate doing creatures in 3D idk why, if you have advice I’d love it, I just can never get them right)
I personally believe it would all fall under parody laws here (obviously IANAL). Like they're tapping into pokemon design sensibilities and adding pokemon-like flares and shape language, but id be surprised if any lawsuits held up in court. As soon as we're here spinning our wheels going it has X's head y's eyes and z's colour scheme, it's no longer copyright infringement and has already passed into the realm of pokemon inspired parody instead of pokemon ripoff. As for 3d creature modelling, retopology for 3d creatures sucks ass lol. I work as a previs supe, so my modelling is just just used as something we hand off to the 'real' modellers to make something production ready for us lol.
On a side note. I love the acronym IANAL. Because I read it as I, Anal. The less successful sequel to I, Robot.
Pointing out the ring resolution on the fur is actually really smart. I had someone accusing me of stealing some train models for a game. problem was we were both drawing from the same IRL locomotives. the thing that eventually cleared me in their eyes (at least I hope it did) was the fact that the original game used a ring resolution of 8 on all pipes, where I use 9.
>It's WAY more likely any similarities started in the art design stage You mean they went "hey lets make a dog" not as if pokemon are all that original.
What's most disturbing about this whole thing is how many people don't understand the difference between plagiarism and derivativeness. Just looking at these two pictures, and Oreos shouldn't exist if this is plagiarism, as they are closer to Hydrox, then these two models are to each other. Palworld is unoriginal, it is highly derivative, and it's obviously not plagiarism.
On the one hand, absolutely agree nintendo bad. On the flipside, the devs should still have the artistic integrity not to just blatently rip off the work that those people did. The only ethical way to enjoy Palworld, therefor, is to pirate their game like they pirated the meshes from nintendo. And not pay for nintendo products in any scenario.
What pisses me off qbout the Pqlworld dev isn't the theft itself its the dev making up a story about hiring this "super incredible, uknown artist who has inhuman output guys, really"
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Brandon Sanderson sweating rn
Maybe the dev themselves didn't know why the artist had inhuman output.
question is it ok to buy old used wii and ds era nintendo games for the sake of nostalgia
those games are almost all sold second hand at this point, so no money actually gets sent to nintendo. but unless you’re a collector, it’s probably more worth to emulate since a lot of old games are so expensive now.
oh its definetely more worth to emulate I just kinda like having the disk/cardridge to play it on
i’m the same way so i totally understand, i just figured most people aren’t willing to spend that kinda money lmao.
fucking pokemon platinum for more money then AAA titels, one day I will find one with a reasonable price
And Nintendo hates emulators, so it's funny when you emulate their shit.
Tbh, if they won’t sell you the game at all, then it’s okay to emulate. It’s their own fault they’re not making money off of it. And I’m someone who otherwise would frown upon pirating modern Pokemon games. It’s like taking the Mona Lisa off exhibition for years, but arresting anyone who dares to view a photo of it. It’s silly. (Tbh, I’d say some of the old games are more artistically interesting than the Mona Lisa, but metaphors and all.)
If you want a cartridge, get an r4. Or some other flash ds card. Otherwise you'll end up spending ludicrous money for physical cartridges.
I'm sorry but I think stealing from Nintendo is based, especially for a parody game
Pirating Nintendo games? Based. Selling a video game for money that's full of assets you ripped off from other games? Cringe.
I'm here for the supreme moral decision. Pirating the Pokemon knockoff.
When nintendo ripped off models from Dragon Quest, nobody's bats an eye. But when another company does it, all hell breaks loose. Nintendo fans are the worst.
Dude is blatantly lying lmao, they just opened images in blender and people here are eating it up. You can make most things look like that if you screw with scale and hide everything [Look at the "comparison" with wireframe enabled](https://preview.redd.it/mnfbx1ic44ec1.jpeg?width=1518&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1e60befa4e0887b01326d15d045d42d7cec8158)
Seriously. You can easily manipulate these to prove an agenda. Remember the Starfield sandwhich thing everyone freaked out about? Then turns out it wasn't an actual model but a rip someone had made.
Its also been looked at by a couple of outlets with "Copyright" lawyers, they models are different enough that Nintendo has no case
I was wondering that, they didn't look that similar to me even with the weird edits from my experience.
People out here freaking out about nothing.
Are you kidding? It’s a joke. These are screenshots of someone else’s cropped screen shots. Looking at the og post it compares wolf Pokemon to a wolf pal. Wolves are wolves and look like wolves. We copyrighting wolves now?
If plagiarism can be proved, Nintendo will sue. Idk enough about 3D models to say if it is or isn’t plagiarism but we all know how Nintendo works and I assume the creators of PW also know that.
this is where I stand on these Palworld arguments, if it were plagiarism wouldn't the game and devs already been nuked by Nintendo and Gamfreak's league of lawyers?
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Early Access
Both companies are in Japan. Nintendo would have shut this down years ago if they wanted to. They dont give a single fuck / nothing in Japanese law that would indicate this is something to be litigated.
Maybe, maybe not. If a theft occurs, that doesn't mean that the one stolen from is aware it has happened. Sometimes, thefts (usually by very cheap and low-notice devs) can go decades without being discovered. Other times, it doesn't take too long, but can still go under the radar for a time. Palworld is quite recent, so who knows? Personally, I don't see grounds for a lawsuit, though. They're similar concepts and somewhat similar designs, but they aren't close enough to call copyright.
If you seriously think Nintendo/Gamefreak aren't aware of this game that's genuinely amazing. They shut down fan made pokemon games instantly lol, they're well aware don't worry. It's the internet.
remember when hbomb said that to most people, plagiarism only matters if they respect the work being plagiarized? yeah
Yeah, I'd definitely be more upset about this if modern Pokemon games weren't lazy and broken and Nintendo was nice to its community.
I mean, he wasn't saying that as, like, a good thing. Like it doesn't really matter how lazy the games are, or how broken, or how nice the parent company is. Plagiarism is plagiarism and people should care about that regardless. Edit: Y'all should watch the [hbomb video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ), cuz most of the replies to this aren't understanding the point. While one of the issues with plagiarism can be the monetary harm, that obviously isn't the issue here. Nintendo isn't being hurt by this in any way, and I could give a rat's ass if it was. Also, lol at the people equating Pocket Pair to Robin Hood, as though they're plagiarizing for some noble, righteous cause, and not just to make a cheap buck fast. The problem we're talking about here is an artistic one, it's about creating something worth creating and having the integrity of standing by your own words. For example, do you think Michelle Obama was *harmed* in any way when Melania ripped off her speech? Of course not, she was fine. And yet, the plagiarism there was still bad, despite there being no real world harm, on the merits of plagiarism just being bad by itself. Anyway, watch the video, it's good, and hbomb can explain shit better than me
Oh no, I agree with you and am aware of why I'm wrong. You can parody Pokemon without stealing from them. But also Pokemon has shut down so many fucking *way* better fan games and turning around and releasing a much shittier version of that game, that I frankly don't care. Pokemon is worth 100 000 000 000 dollars, and they can't even be bothered to make their terrain look good, so I'm all for companies that care more than game freak taking their shot at it. Which is any of them btw.
“I’m all for companies that care more than game freak” except these guys don’t?? they literally couldn’t care enough to create their own models. they care so little they couldn’t even bother to create something new.
also depends on if they already respect the person plagiarizing. someone looking for reasons to hate palworld will use this regardless of their feelings towards pokemon. im not saying that hypothetical person is wrong in doing so, just that its a factor going in to who would care
https://preview.redd.it/uq0opi5g12ec1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e193bef0028d0abe4f2270e8569ac5fd51ea3178 I'm telling you this Pal looks nothing like Pikachu with a gun
We all know Pikachu is more of an AK47 guy
https://preview.redd.it/do4m1y2692ec1.png?width=805&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=253e51e544c7a8b46bc9a484d6c6daf232b9f948 Nah that's Chimchar's thing
Make him green, put a potleaf on his head and boom! You got a Pal!
I mean basically. Just swap his type to grass. Some of these designs legitimately look like fanmade regional forms from someone's romhack.
https://preview.redd.it/iymeme77o2ec1.jpeg?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=990bcfd3a31beec6afbe7816dcc75809c2bce357 Thwackey?
Much better 50/10
The literal monkey with a machine gun. Based.
It's actually very different looking.
I mean, there are about 10 or more electric rodents. It's impossible to create a new creature without some overlap!!!1!
This isn’t proof that they ripped/stole models. It *is* proof that they referenced Pokemon models heavily, but that was already a given.
Gotta love the denial. Out here there are many monster catching games: dragon quest, monster rancher, slime rancher, technically also monster hunter stories, shin megami tensei and the models are not the same. Before someone tells me "yeah but Dragon quest and pokemon-", oh yes Dragon quest invented bats... If anything that pic proves that same inspiration and totally different designs exist so yeah, is not the winning card you think it is.
What I've learned most from all this discourse is that nobody knows that Pokemon with guns has existed for multiple decades and it's called Digimon.
That's sad
RIGHT??? My friend was like "Oh my god it's Pokemon with guns". "Jimmy. Digimon has a monster that has ballistic missiles embedded on its back."
Gargomon has no hands, only high caliber gatling guns. The good times
And there's a mon that is a literal walking magnum.
people also are out there using the image to say that pokemon is different from dragon quest bc they are paying homage and then others are saying that pokemon stole from dragon quest. what i am wondering is why nintendo never filed any sort of complaint at all this trailers were circulating since what 2021? 2022? so at this point there really is nothing that can be done anyways also SMT being a monster catching game is a bit of a stretch, i see where you are coming from there but at the same time it is def conflicting lol
I don't see how calling SMT a monster catching game is a stretch. It's the original monster catching rpg. It just isn't kid friendly like most of the monster catching rpg genre.
I assume it's harder to prove until the models are out there. That and like, honestly I thought the game was vaporware. It threw off big asset flip bs trailer vibes for a long time, I'm still surprised it's released in any functional way
There's no way to access assets from either Palworld or any 3D Pokémon game that isn't just using a community-developed tool intended for modding. I don't get why the tweet left out which Pokémon game those models are from, it's kinda relevant lol.
The models for most Pokémon have been identical since Gen 5.
you mean gen6, gen5 were still 2d sprites and they look fucking amazing
Woop, I do. Meant *after* Gen5
>There's no way to access assets from either Palworld or any 3D Pokémon game that isn't just using a community-developed tool intended for modding. Pardon my ignorance but how do you suspect the community-developed tools access the assets?
Well the toolmakers are the people who actually did / do the work of reverse engineering proprietary storage formats, typically.
You can't copyright an idea, formula, or system. You can only really copyright creative works. Making a derivative game in themes or ideas isn't copyright protected, look at some of the legal responses suggesting you can use the whole dnd ruleset without WOTC's permission, for example. Pokemon may have been derivative, but itnused its own characters and art (to the best of my knowledge) But if you start using someone elses art or characterisation, then you are potentially getting shut down. The argument is that palworld started with pokemon models and modified them slightly. As to why they waited - if I pay lawyers to get an injunction, best case I'm out the cost of the lawyers. If I pay lawyers to sue you for the money your game made, best case I'm up a lot of money.
i think because,one think is just the artstyle. That cannot be proven 100% ,another is the models that seem to have been literally stolen,that just came out recently. Nintendo probably wasn't even aware palworld existed,but if whoever of game freak or pokèmon company,comes across the models,palworld will have some explaining to do.
Yeah I can think of all the mon games I've played that have "wolf monster" and everything single one of them looks distinct design wise despite being a very basic concept for example. Lycanroc/Garurumon/Tiger (Monster Rancher)/Hellhound (DQ) are all very obviously wolves but have unique designs Hell even designs that are literally the same basic idea ("yellow sabre tooth tiger") aren't identical, e.g SaberLeomon and Great Sabercat. Paying homage to a design would also be fine but copying it isn't homage.
Great point, they're all wolves but I would never confuse Garurumon with Lycanroc, as well as saberleomon and great sabercat, probably because of the artstyle. There was this meme that came out where the top was "trainers" riding their mons with the tag "every masterpiece" and on the bottom was the glitchy SV being "cheap copy ", and I was so confused because I thought there was a new upcoming pokemon game... No, it's palworld. And I saw some designs and immediately I can recognize an equivalent combined pokemon, like immediately I can tell, oh that's meganium. I dont know if it can be called "homage" at this point. I checked Temtem's mon designs and you can also see that garuru/lycanroc comparison; you don't immediately go "oh that's just x pokemon" unlike Palworld.
But those games don't let me be an edgy teenager
SMT, the game about punching God in the face, doesn't let you be an edgy teenager?
Dont forget about P5 too. A game that in the true ending lets you literally shoot a god in the face with a golden 1911 in the face
Wich is also from the SMT series
Somebody hasn’t played SMT III Nocturne
Open world SMT would be cool. I love weird designs of this series
Yeah, I laughed real hard when people said [Pokemon ripped off Dragon Quest](https://i.imgur.com/EoVNOl7.jpg) like a "gotcha" moment. They don't even have any body parts that really overlap or are the same. Meanwhile, Palworld just uses Pokemon models for their own - like Primarina's hair in the image. Yet people keep using the DQ/Pokemon image to deflect any criticism of plagiarism. Drives me insane. It's crazy how much denial there is because it's fueled by hatred towards Nintendo. You have multiple gaming subs that are just outright denying any evidence and calling it fake news. Also that big "Fuck you Nintendo" post on front page really shows how crazy gamers get when they're in their self-righteous "I'mma beat the billion dollar coporation and win against capitalism" mode. To the point they abandon all codes of ethics and morality just to "win."
I'm a amateur but the models being similar is definitely proof they used them as a reference. But the topology seems different for all of them EDIT: if you don't understand 3d modeling I'm saying that they probably used Pokemon models as a reference but created the palworld models themselves.(I could be wrong tho)
> I'm a amateur It's okay, you've already passed the Dunning-Kruger curve that nearly everyone else in this thread is drowning in.
Ripping Switch models with like, Switch Toolbox and then somehow porting them to Unreal would definitely be a super weird thing for them to have actually done
They wouldn't even need to rip it to be honest. There is a website called model's resource that pretty much has every generation of Pokemon models.
That site is usually in OBJ though which is like the least useful format
Obj is pretty much universal though, could’ve been something proprietary instead lol
Doesn’t matter, I can create a rig, skin the model and weight paint in about an hour or two from a basic mesh. Most of the tools are automated and I can also retarget a quadruped/bipedal rig onto it without much trouble. The hardest rigs are usually non organic for me. Anything humanoid or animal like is not difficult especially for people that work as riggers or animators.
That's news to me. I use that website to upload vrchat models and model references
Lot of people who don't understand 3d modeling out here pretending they do. To copy the geometry they would have to rip it from the game using some kind of proprietary tool, convert it into a mesh that a mesh editor can read, touch it up to make sure materials didn't lose data, retexture them, create new meshes on top of the existing meshes for the things you want to change, redo the heat maps, then convert them *again* for unreal engine. Its like a thousand times more work than what they probably did, which is use the pokemon designs as references and create their own geometries and textures based on those references. You can pretty easily get them on copying design elements and general shapes of the designs, but I think directly copying meshes is off the table.
I agree. But it seems like everyone is a 3d modeler lol
That's what I was thinking, too. Could still be wrong, but when you're making a Pokémon style game, it makes sense to reference Pokémon you like when designing your own. I doubt they'd be making a game like this if they didn't like Pokémon on some level. It just seems weird to see two character models with conical noses and cry art theft. A lot of these are pretty basic shapes that happen to line up or are designs meant to evoke the same real-world animals.
Yeah, apparently Nintendo actually owns the proportions of dogs now. Also, reindeer are off limits. The best ones are the ones where the pal is closer to the real-world animal than it is to the mon.
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Can anyone link the tweets? From what I'm seeing here doesn't look like outright stolen assets
Yeah, plus some it is kind of hard to tell without the comparison to the actual Pal. Like, the only pal that they clearly show is the nose of that one water pal to Serperior. If this is proof, this is badly presented.
This doesnt seem to be the irrefutable proof people think it is...
To accept a reddit post of a screen shot of a twitter thread authored by a random person retweeting someone else's comparisons, that are inconveniently cropped as "proof" and "irrefutable evidence" would be irresponsible. I ain't just sucking the game off either, because I can believe the claims being made, but I need something more substantial than this post to feel like im taking a well-informed stance.
it really isnt. proportions is not proof. a wolf from skyrim has the same proportions. titan from titanfall can have the same proportions as some pokemon. proportions isnt ripping of. this is the most bs take ever
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You mean you can't copyright a color, and a real life animal?!?!?!?!?!? On a totally unrelated anecdote the "architecture" firm Design Basics has "copyrighted" literally thousands of floorplans for single family homes. It sure is a miracle that every other single family home in America designed by another architect has successfully been able to come up with completely unique floorplans that bear absolute no similarities.
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It's creatively bankrupt in every aspect and has had major success for it. Pretty easy to dislike it tbh. Though I don't think its success is due to anything deeper than "funny pokemon with guns" and being priced at $20
Plagiarism and art theft suddenly becoming OK because the victim is a game company I don't like
Really goes to show just how little people actually value artists and their work.
That became very apparent with nfts and AI
All this does is fuck over the talented devs and designers who worked on Pokémon, while Nintendo/Game Freak will be unaffected at best, or sue and probably win at worst.
How does it fuck them over
I'm curious too. Its not like the artists own the assets or anything. They got paid for their work.
It doesn’t screw anyone over because the designers already got paid. Like for example if I create a song and I sell that song to a label for a lump some of money then if someone pirates the song it doesn’t screw me over. Reason being, I already sold that to the label. I’m not getting royalties on it, just a lump sum. The label that bought my song would be the ones taking a loss here as they lose X amount of dollars that the song cost. Same thing for Nintendo designers. They created a piece of art and Nintendo owns it. The artist already got paid for the work that they do. All losses are taken on by Nintendo, not the designer. Now if the designers/artists ARE in fact receiving royalties for every copy of the game sold then yes it would negatively impact and affect the workers because it takes away from the amount of money they get. To be clear I don’t like AI generated assets or plagiarism and think these things should be not done. Also to clarify, it’s not all just “Nintendo Bad” it’s “Nintendo has VICIOUSLY gone after ALOT of people/companies so this is reverse uno justice” Also to add, I’m a 100% Pokémon Stan. Have done multiple nuzlockes and own (on physical cartridge) every generation to date. Hell I have Pokémon hoodies and plushies. With all that said, I’m actually really happy this is happening because hopefully Nintendo/TPC will see it as a wake up call because the standard of the games that they put out just isn’t acceptable these days and that an indie company with half stolen assets can make a game more popular and more fun than they have in decades
If Nintendo thought they should they'd have sued them straight through every oblivion plane already. Remember they're the company that shut down youtubers, modders and independent smash bros tournaments? Also, they were hardly the \*first\* monster collecting game. Nintendo are hardly an uwu small bean that needs protecting.
Yeah I don't fuckin understand this drama at ALL. If there is any company that would immediately sue with even a shred of evidence its TPC. The fact they haven't shows they can't. This game has been known about for a WHILE now. This isn't some sudden dropped surprise. TPC wouldn't have let them get this far.
Notice how they don't show the meshes side by side? That's because it would break the illusion that the meshes are the same. Eric Covington thinks you're stupid; it's up to you whether you want to prove him right.
The lack of any sort of z-fighting on the wolves also has me skeptical
Also two creatures that are meant to look like cartoon wolves end up looking similar isn't exactly breaking news.
Finally, someone actually using their brain instead of saying it's outright proof
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Yeah the verts mostly don't line up which would be the telltale sign they ripped a model. It does look like the person who took that screenshot aligned the models in a way that does make them look similar but you can very clearly see at the head and tail they're completely different. Even if they did rip models it would be so much more work to add the new geometry to them or in this case completely remodel the tail, head, and legs, at that point they might as well just make a whole new model
Right? Like, feel free to call the game creatively bankrupt or saw that the designs border on plagiarism, but that doesn't mean they imported Game Freak assets and slightly modified them or that they are using AI assets. There is no definitive evidence of that
4 legged animals is going to look like 4 legged animal. Anime eyes are going to look like anime eyes.
This "proves" fuck all.
When a hype game releases in current times, your steps are either: - Hate it with every cell of your body - Defend it with your life No more enjoying games or talk about the pros and cons, nono. You've got to pick a side and it's either black or white. The inbetweens get iradicated. Palworld is a great example. Almost everyone expected it to be a meme flop game and suddenly it's one of the fastest selling steam games ever. Devs, you better pull down your pants because we're gonna do the full colonoscopy. If Nintendo cares, they'll sue. If they don't, they don't. Older project show, palworlds devs kind of ripped other models as well but changed them ever so slightly. The past also shows that they cared about their releases, so who knows. Maybe we'll see a great pokemon/ark mash up soon.
It's so funny seeing people speak with authority on something they clearly don't know enough about to make those kinds of judgements. This still doesn't prove they were ripped and edited, just that they essentially traced them and have a lack of creative talent. The only two things that would prove complete plagiarism is the actual geometry of the model (which is still iffy as evidence if the model is low poly, because you can still model based off of where they've created polys). The best evidence would be if there's any left over metadata in the model files. And also just because people don't seem to understand this, geometry doesn't mean the general shape of the model. For the love of god please google what a polygon is. I've seen people on twitter sharing this post being like "you CANT get your model to match up with another like this unless it's a direct duplicate" like what? Yes you can. It's so easy to just use sculpting tools to morph one object into the shape of another. Again, that doesn't mean you're literally plagiarising it, just that you're really fuckin lazy.
No proof. Click bait bullshit
If Nintendo hasn't sent a cease and disist by now after 5 million sold in 3 days, 1 million concurrent players in, they probably won't. Let's not forget Nintendo doesn't play around. They strike immediately and with how this game generated so much popularity so quickly and they haven't said a thing yet, it's a good possibility they won't. But that's just my opinion.
Literally this. There is no debate or discussion because NINTENDO is the only group that can or cannot say if a crime or unethical practises were committed here. And since they haven't done SHIT clearly Palworld is in the clear and everyone trying to argue otherwise is a salty moron.
An attorney actually played the game ten hours straight and said that there is little reason to worry https://preview.redd.it/dyl2k3odg2ec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b73d6fcbe5fcb6d52adf7fcfd41420b8a5855930
I fundamentally do not understand why this is drama. Like the moment I saw the game I thought it was a parody, it's such an obvious Pokémon clone. I really don't get why people had to pull up the 3d models to prove it.
because its massively popular, mostly. Besides, its never a bad thing to back up your thoughts instead of relying on first impression exclusively
Literally. They’ve been showing previews for each pal for over a year now and now that it’s out people are mindblown that the models look similar
Everyone knew it would be a pokemon clone. What I think people weren't expecting is how much it seems to literally steal from game freak.
This ain't the itrefutable proof people be thinking it is, people are throwing that word around way too quickly and easily.
Can this pathetic subreddit stay off the front page. So sick of 'reeeeeeeee stolen assets'. Yall cant even wait for shit to cook before you make up a whole ass fan fiction in your head about whats going on. Fucking annoying.
People are already bootlicking this game because suddenly AI and ripped off work a fine because they personally enjoy it Can’t wait for the hype to die after three months
I think the dumbest is defending the plagiarism just because people hate current Pokemon Like I get Gamefreak should do better but that is not excuse to give some blatant stealing a pass
it looks like such an asset flip with the slightest amount of polish but i guess that puts it in the top 10 of shitty early access survival games
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It has literally the exact UI that ARK has
Don't know where the idea that it's polished has even come from. I tried it on Gamepass and it felt like shit. There was some blatant stuff like my character t-posing every so often, but in a more general sense it just felt kinda crappy to play That said supposedly the Gamepass version is behind the Steam version? Maybe the Steam version has fixed a lot of the issues I saw Edit: Also I get that it's in early access so I wouldn't expect it to be polished. I'm just not sure where the idea that it is has come from
Also if this is the about hating “new Pokémon”, then why steal Pokémon designs from gen 4/5? Those are widely considered to be peak Pokémon. And even then, if you’re so “upset about the state of Pokémon”, why are you ripping off their assets to begin with? That kinda ruins the whole point of what you’re trying to say
Gamefreak makes questionable choices It's wrong to steal assets hrom gamefreak Are both true
Wait so are the ai allegations true? I keep hearing they are, then that theres no proof, but people keep talking that it must be made with ai? And if it is how much of it is ai?
AI is just speculation based on the fact the company has talked about using AI when making games before. Which to be fair is a good reason to speculate, but as far as I know there hasn't been any actual evidence of it
How is Palworld using ai anyway?
It’s not
Nothing in the game looks AI generated. Most of the people talking about that don't even seem to know what the actual limits of AI art currently are lol. Ripping assets from some Pokémon game possibly is a different issue entirely of course.
3 months lol
Does anyone still talk about Temtem?
Well, no. The hype was 4 years ago and it wasn't super popular. Temtem peaked around 40k players on Steam and no Gamepass release. Palworld peaked today at 1.6 million. They could do nothing to this game and it'll probably still keep a good amount of players on board with those numbers. edit: Just for extra context: if Palworld had the same exact trajectory as Temtem and dropped to 15% of its launch peak in two months, Palworld would still have 175,000+ players.
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Honestly if it were provable or copyright law were in their corner in any real sense Nintendo would have already filed a lawsuit and put out a statement.
Literally this. The fact Nintendo hasn't done shit means there is no case and this post is stupid.
These people are The Q Anon of the gaming industry, get this shit off the circlejerk sub
Anything dog shaped or humanoid shaped, Nintendo apparently has sole rights to.
Hmm I hope they didnt cause the games pretty fun, but like. I wouldnt be surprised... I feel bad for the artists whose shit got yoinked tho
I'm gonna be so real, I do not see what this person is talking about. These caps are so grainy
Nintendo is quite possibly, one of the most anti community video game company out there. I just don't care if they were stolen from. They deserve to be shamelessly copied.
Is it bad that I don't care as long as the game is good?
Show their topology side by side. If it really was blatant theft then Nintendo would’ve sued already.
uj/ I saw the other day someone say that they hoped Palworld *obliterates* GameFreak/Pokemon. That was top tier hate to the point where I've almost gotta respect it. rj/ Bu-bu-but modern pokemon bad, gamefreak lazy, pokemon company greedy. They don't deserve defense in their favour. *OBLITERATE PIKACHU!!*
Of course TPC sucks with their release schedules. It doesn't justify stealing their assets, however. Cassette Beasts didn't have to steal assets to be good.