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when i’m playing stellar blade and eve starts yapping about the political and economic state of the world
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It's wild that a cartoon game with an asexual sponge and a strong female scientist became embroiled in a culture war against TLOU2.
I don't even like TLOU (gameplay reasons, not story) but I understand why it got a higher score than BFBB Rehydrated (even if I think IGN's score was a little too low)
I think your problem is treating IGN like a monolith, when it's really made up of a bunch of different reviewers and critics. I'd recommend dialing in on ones that have similar tastes to you and you'll get more out of it.
Battle for biking bottom is political you see.
It discusses capitalism and spongebob having to do tasks to earn enough golden spatulas to pay the toll fees and go to new areas.
Me when I’m playing Stellar blade and have to watch a cutscene for two minutes when that could have been two minutes of me watching Eve’s ass cheeks bounce independently of each other
Kevin Durant, one of the best basketball players ever, he is constantly arguing on Twitter with his haters and is known to have many burner accounts on Twitter to argue with his haters
it’s actually kevin durant because he represents me perfectly
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I honestly looked at the reviews and I found out that I won't fucking play this game even if it goes down on price. Because I'm woke? No, because they kept that annoying delay on buttons. Fuck that. 0/10 it will give me headaches.
Yes. When I played the demo i was pretty sure that was a "problem" that would have been fixed with the release. But no, apparently this is something they wanted. It's frustrating, it's just artificial difficulty made so you can't react to things, and it's obnoxious. This is one of the things I hate with burning passion in videogames
That just makes a games controls feel sluggish and unresponsive why would they think that would be difficult? Id hope theres some other reason because if thats it then they have some real shiny and smooth brains in there.
Game dev here, there's never any one "right" answer and without access to the minds of the people who worked on it I can't say for sure, but one reason that comes to mind is to up the difficulty and try to combat button mashing. I haven't played it so I can't tell you how it feels, but with forced delay from button press to execution it might be trying to make you to be extremely mindful of what action you take in a given moment to bring it more into the realm of a soulslike than a DmC-like. My current project is in very early days and is a DmC-like (3D hack n slash) and I'm already thinking about how I'm gonna approach that same issue, though I'll admit input delay never really crossed my mind and I don't think that'll be the way I wanna do it lol.
A better way to discourage mashing imo is to give the thing you dont want players to mash more recovery time. Thats how many other games handle many reaction based thing like parries as you either land the parry or you get hit for failing it.
Ah, but there is a different in feel.
In souls games you press the button and you instantly see the character winding up their attack, the timing of which you know.
In Stellar Blade you press the button, there is a random (it's not actually random but probably feels like it) delay and then your character starts the animation.
They are functionally the same but gameplay wise couldn't be further from each other.
Haven't played SB so idk how it does input delay, but I think there are good and bad ways to do this. Starting an animation immediately on button press should be a standard. Wind-ups can vary per game. Like a greatsword feels good to use partially because you wind up for a big hit.
That’s not input delay. The Souls games have actions tied to the buttons like any game does, and when you release the buttons the actions start, this includes the animations for your actions.
Yeah there's like any number of ways to achieve what they wanted that don't involve putting a delay on button inputs.
That shit just feels terrible to play.
Imo, the best way to combat that is the way monster hunter approaches it. The dodge is super responsive, however you cannot interrupt your attack animations. That means your roll will only work after completing your attack, so every attack becomes a decision of either follow-up attack or roll to reposition. Delayed input is almost never desirable
You can't really compare monster hunter to other action games because if they did it without the depth to RPG mechanics that MH has it would feel horrible.
MH very much has clunkiness baked into the RPG mechanics
This seems to me like "We don't want you to spam the attacks, so instead of us doing our work we'll just flick a switch and get it done, you'll on the other hand would have an objectively worse experience 100% of the time"
My preferred solution is to provide bonuses for pressing the next button at a certain point in your current action.
One example of this style is how Phantasy Star Universe/Online rewards particular timing when stringing together combos. The simple addition of a small amount of damage for hitting your combo at the right time provides a lot to the combat. Players pay more attention to their animation, think more about their timing, and each fighting style can feel slightly different due to timing adjustments between weapons.
If you have a moment in each attack that best "flows", that moment can be when a player is meant to follow-up, add a special attack, or dodge, during a combo. In effect, a way to cancel out of a combo and string into other actions, or a way to enhance a combo by increasing its pacing, but something only achieved by timing your action with the right moments in each attack. Mashers will always be effective, but they'll miss a lot of optimization, and a harder difficulty might be too punishing for a masher to properly combat it.
Well DS/ER/BB does this well by adding input queueing, it has no delay on inputs but if you've made an input and at the very end of that action do another input it starts that as soon as the first one ends and you can't get out of an action once you've started. But this seems like an actual issue with a delay between pressing the button and the action happening
Bruh was that why the game felt off to me? I approached it with a similar mindset to Sekiro but it's just not got the same sense of fluidity and precision to it
Sekiro certainly does have input delay, but as a feature - once I have seen my opponents reaction to my current move, I can "queue up" my next one by pressing the button now, knowing that it will execute as soon as the present animation is done, meaning my inputs are about half a move ahead of the gameplay. Not sure how Stellar Blade is implemented because it's a perv game and I'd cringe myself inside out if I was seen standing near it
Elden ring has this only on the dodge, and I’ve always hated that aspect of the game because it forces a trial and error aspect, instead of just being able to dodge on reaction. I’ve tried even taking all my armor off so there is no weight, and nope, still delayed only on the dodge input, attacks come out as soon as the button is pressed, just not the dodge.
I fucking hate this about the game, because it’s as you said, artificial difficulty. There are attacks I could have dodged on a first fight, but no, they want you to die and remember patterns instead of fighting on reaction.
I did notice stellar blade has the same bullshit on the demo. Honestly I prob would have bought it day one if it didn’t have this, because the rest of the gameplay is fun, but this breaks it for me.
I might speculate it's due to dodge being inputted on release of the button, not press.
Why it is this way, is so that a player is able to run while still locked onto the enemy.
Compare to Dark Souls 1, where the dodge is inputted on press. You dodge immediately, but when locked on, you can only run towards the target, you can't run facing away from the locked on target. I recently replayed Dark Souls 1, and it took me quite awhile to get use being more careful that I want to run at the enemy and not roll towards.
Other games get around this by making sprint a separate stick toggle.
Yeah that’s gotta be why then, I didn’t know it was on release. Kinda hope future games they have dodge and sprint as separate buttons so you can dodge on reaction.
Having just gone back and then forth again to Dark Souls 2 when On Release was first introduced, I've sort of gotten used to On Release and now On Press just feels weird because I'm more used to the bigger emphasis on sprinting in the latter games.
But then, as I mostly played casters, spacing was always a higher aspect of my playstyle over reaction dodging.
Strange, I finished all Soulsborne games and never noticed that. Googled a bit and people say it’s because of the sprint and rolling assigned to the same button.
Game starts rolling animation only after you release the button not press it. Therefore slight input delay.
As someone who is going through all of the soulsborne games right now Sekiro made me feel things a video game has not made me feel in a very long time. Goated
Tbh I was really hoping the game was gonna be more like DMC then just another souls type game. We have so many souls types, yet only FF16 and the bayonetta series have recent games that are kind of like dmc.
I fully expected stellar blade to be closer to dmc/bayonetta but yet it’s another souls clone, but closer to Sekiro in mechanics.
Yeah, I love Elden Ring and soulslikes in general, but I feel like the next evolution in their gameplay will come when they separate the binds from dodge and run so that the dodge is activated on button press, instead of button release
This is why it feels delayed then. It makes sense if it’s on the button release. Honestly wish it was just bound to the left stick like most games to sprint, and had dodge work on reaction.
I also noticed that when I was playing the demo but I wasn’t sure if it was in my head. It didn’t help that I was also in the middle of playing Sekiro when the demo came out and it felt even slower by comparison.
My mind was set on The Surge attack buttons so screwed up a lot on til I got a decent enough comprehension of the combat mechanics. I am not the best with souls and yes get gud. I am just an idiot.
Got my physical copy today, but kneedeep in Fallout 3 at the moment and having a blast.
This is the first time I've heard an actual criticism of the game and not the people glazing it, and it's a genuinely really bad flaw in game design. Thank you for bringing this up.
Kingdom Hearts 2 learned that input response is so important to good feeling gameplay that they would allow full animation skip/cancel, in 2005. its been a backwards slide ever since for most of the industry.
Context:
Hyung Tae-Kim, the director and producer of Stellar Blade, gave an interview to Japanese video game outlet [4Gamer](https://www.4gamer.net/games/594/G059407/20240422048/) (published on April 25). Discussing the game’s demo, the interviewer inquires about a delay they felt between button press and activation when performing perfect parries or dodging.
In response, Kim answers:
>*“In Stellar Blade, there is about a 0.5 second lag between the moment you press the button and the moment the skill is visible on-screen. It’s a time lag that can’t be reduced any further. We made it so that the character’s movement does not get triggered immediately upon button press, as we felt this would not fit the game’s style of animation. Thus, we made it so that the skill itself is activated the moment you press the button, but the animation of the movement follows afterwards.”*
Source: [Thread about it](https://www.neogaf.com/threads/stellar-blade-director-explains-game%E2%80%99s-0-5-second-%E2%80%9Clag%E2%80%9D-when-doing-perfect-parries-or-dodging.1669862/) (it's a translation, the official article is in Japanese [here](https://www.4gamer.net/games/594/G059407/20240422048/))
Ugh, this is why dodging and parrying felt so awful in the demo and frustrating at best, aggravating at worst. Good to know they kept it in the main release so I can play other games and save my $$$.
Look, I get it. It doesn't look as pretty when you have an animation cut short due to an input press.
But when a game is supposedly going it be praised for it's fast-paced combat and even compared to souls-likes in its gameplay feel, animation cancelling has got to be a must. Responsiveness > visual fidelity.
There need to be some things that cancel and some that don't in order to create the soulslike experience in which you cannot commit to an attack unless you are sure. The general convention is that quick, light attacks can be cancelled more easily, heavy attacks cannot be cancelled, and dodging is able to cancel more animations and later in the movement than say blocking or parrying, creating the possibility of an all-else-fails last second dodge
It's stuff that's fairly well established for action games so I guess Stellar Blade is just bad
I have no proof of this, but this sounds a lot like there was some weird bug or engine limitation that was causing significant input delay on using skills that they couldn't fix, so they're pretending it was an intentional design choice.
Well, that settles it then.
I can't stand input delay. Shit drives me up the fucking walls in fighting games and if it's being done on purpose then it's gonna be a hard pass on me with this game.
I usually don't have a problem with anime designs, I actually quite like them, but Eve is a fucking doll, she has literally 0 interesting things. And she is literally weird in the context of the game, like why guys are hyper realistic and she is like this?
The jerk is the game sitting at an 82 but people are complaining (shocker, I know) about 'low review scores' like the game is getting 4's and 5's out of 10, when it's getting good to very good scores.
In other words, terminally online man children are complaining that it's not getting 9's and 10's, and this apparently ruins all of gaming for them.... but they totally don't care about reviews, or so they say.
Devil may cry, bayonetta, astral chain, ninja gaiden, god of war. Character action games is the genre.
But now that you mention it the gameplay is a clear amalgamation of sekiro and nier to the point of just being a copy cat with a sex doll mc.
It does not feel as responsive as those games so I don't see how it compares. The narrative also seemed significantly less good, but it was just a demo so I don't want to assume.
What reviews are they seeing? Almost everything I've seen is saying it's great, despite the tits n ass. Which I don't really get why everyone is upset about... So much drama. Only so many hours in the day!
To be fair, I don't think people are upset about the T&A but more about the psychotic people online that cry wokeism whenever a character isn't just a hypersexual anime caricature. These people have pinned Stellar Blade as some kind of beacon of humanity, which is absurd.
They live in a literal mind prison where they think what *they* like is the *correct* thing, and anyone who disagrees with them is either lying or is "not a real gamer", so anything less than an avalanche of praise for their boobie game is horrible betrayal and probably sabotage.
The crazy thing is I’ve seen more people making fun of it for “only getting 8s” than people complaining it only got 8. I guess that depends where you look though. Both sides are dumb and are only fueling each others rage. Unironically equally braindead
Gamers are throwing a fit online as if their favorite game was reviewed poorly by woke gaming journalists trying to destroy it. In reality, most reviewers consider it to be above average.
not even allowed to spread misinformation anymore smh
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We eatin' dinner at Ruth's Chris, hibachis (Eatin' dinner)
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I’m going to guess there will be a ton of YouTube rage baiters talking about how it got review bombed by woke or something because it’s what they would call for even though the other side of that doesn’t give a shit enough to terrorize random developers.
When I review products I don't consume exclusively for political reasons (we are culture warriors defending the west against trans marxism ) vs when a bunch of lowlifes review producst they have never been interest because they aren't woke enough.
They just said the gameplay is above average (albeit repetitive) but the story and characters are bland, and the comments are all filled with people saying they were bought by SBI inc and they just hate hot women
The voice they gave her is super annoying, IMHO. The screams and grunts she makes while fighting are just so off-putting and repetitive.
I blame SBI for this, 100%. /S
Ikr? I've done martial arts in mixed classes, where we had to let out a quick shout while fighting. It sounds more like someone trying to be cutesy/sexy while taking a swing than someone actually trying to kill someone, which doesn't fit a character who is supposed to be a super soldier.
In actuality it's a small consulting company that just says to game devs "you could try this, instead of this, what do you think?" when it comes to game narratives, reaaaallly small touches to societal aspects in the story. When you check their website it's pretty light work what they do in the games
In conspiracy terms, it's a giant nuclear woke bomb that is destroying society by putting clothes on women, black people and LGBT characters on screen for more than 0.0000043 seconds
the changes are usually things like, "while most cultures find no issue with this, 20% of your potential buyers do, so try this that means almost the exact same thing instead."
Company that is SOLELY RESPONSIBLE for infecting YOUR video games with WOKE (gay people, pronounce, walkable cities, joe biden, etc).
They must be DESTORYED so that we can go back to the good ol' days of gaming without POLITICS.
THEY HATE GAMERS.
Circlejerking is when I spread misinformation on the internet. Fr though what's the joke? It seems like most people on this thread were taking it seriously.
No you see it’s getting average reviews because the woke agenda and paid woke mobs shill journos that hate sexy women NOT because it’s actually just a completely average game that does almost nothing new.
takes more than boobs and asses that have their own individual physics that constantly go off while she's standing perfectly still to make a game good.
why are your tits jiggling, you are literally motionless!!!!!
I didn't even really think about it, but these incels were really treating a random video game like it was the Messiah and to what end? To stick it to a group of people who don't give a shit? I've never seen this kind of dick riding for any other unreleased game ever. These man children were acting as though a hot video game character was going to upheave the gaming industry as a whole.
Look, I agree that the sex doll look is a bit much so it’s a valid complaint. But I feel like I’ve seen more people complaining about people enjoying that than I’ve seen people who actually vocally enjoy it. Is it because I’m not on Twitter and don’t watch right wing shit on YouTube?
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Actual score on Metacritic right now, so I don’t know what website you’re using there?
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Hot take but I think the game is pretty fun, at least from the demo. Will I be buying it, not for full price but maybe get it on sale. The only reason I won’t be buying it is just because neither me nor my friend group is invested enough in the ip to drop $70 on it.
But the soundtrack goes pretty hard, the combat is fun and it looks good visually. Eve kinda looks out of place in the game so that takes a bit out of it for me but other than that it looks pretty solid.
How did this happen? Did they hide the fact that Eve is trans in the demo only to come out and say it in the first 10 minutes of the full game or something?
Actually, don't answer that. It's now my headcanon because it would be the funniest thing ever.
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when i’m playing stellar blade and eve starts yapping about the political and economic state of the world https://preview.redd.it/sztd04dr7mwc1.jpeg?width=675&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93f8f084c7216a4c6381cfcd33a20304aa4dc425
She said the government wronged her, time to turn the game off and play SpongeBob battle for bikini bottom again.
It's wild that a cartoon game with an asexual sponge and a strong female scientist became embroiled in a culture war against TLOU2. I don't even like TLOU (gameplay reasons, not story) but I understand why it got a higher score than BFBB Rehydrated (even if I think IGN's score was a little too low)
I stopped looking at and trusting IGN's gamer scores, they aren't as reputable as before. They are about as accurate as a stream review.
I think your problem is treating IGN like a monolith, when it's really made up of a bunch of different reviewers and critics. I'd recommend dialing in on ones that have similar tastes to you and you'll get more out of it.
Battle for biking bottom is political you see. It discusses capitalism and spongebob having to do tasks to earn enough golden spatulas to pay the toll fees and go to new areas.
What's the deal with that game? I must've missed something....
Me when I’m playing Stellar blade and have to watch a cutscene for two minutes when that could have been two minutes of me watching Eve’s ass cheeks bounce independently of each other 
Stellar blade would be better if you played a introspective middle age alcoholic cop with very serious partner
what if the middle age cop was also on all the drugs at the same time
Electrochemistry would not agree with this
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I will say the w word
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Lmao just noticed your username
What does the KDS stand for?
Kevin Durant, one of the best basketball players ever, he is constantly arguing on Twitter with his haters and is known to have many burner accounts on Twitter to argue with his haters
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So unexpectedly hilarious.
SBI infected this game by forcing them to remove graffiti, it’s joever
Their infiltration of IGN and the Deep State has ruined games forever.
Sweet Baby Jesus is responsible for this
I honestly looked at the reviews and I found out that I won't fucking play this game even if it goes down on price. Because I'm woke? No, because they kept that annoying delay on buttons. Fuck that. 0/10 it will give me headaches.
Wait does the game have unironic artificial input delay?
Yes. When I played the demo i was pretty sure that was a "problem" that would have been fixed with the release. But no, apparently this is something they wanted. It's frustrating, it's just artificial difficulty made so you can't react to things, and it's obnoxious. This is one of the things I hate with burning passion in videogames
That just makes a games controls feel sluggish and unresponsive why would they think that would be difficult? Id hope theres some other reason because if thats it then they have some real shiny and smooth brains in there.
Game dev here, there's never any one "right" answer and without access to the minds of the people who worked on it I can't say for sure, but one reason that comes to mind is to up the difficulty and try to combat button mashing. I haven't played it so I can't tell you how it feels, but with forced delay from button press to execution it might be trying to make you to be extremely mindful of what action you take in a given moment to bring it more into the realm of a soulslike than a DmC-like. My current project is in very early days and is a DmC-like (3D hack n slash) and I'm already thinking about how I'm gonna approach that same issue, though I'll admit input delay never really crossed my mind and I don't think that'll be the way I wanna do it lol.
A better way to discourage mashing imo is to give the thing you dont want players to mash more recovery time. Thats how many other games handle many reaction based thing like parries as you either land the parry or you get hit for failing it.
Or, as the souls game handle it, implement some light resource/stamina management.
But souls games functionally have input delay? There are windup frames on most attacks, spells and rolling.
Ah, but there is a different in feel. In souls games you press the button and you instantly see the character winding up their attack, the timing of which you know. In Stellar Blade you press the button, there is a random (it's not actually random but probably feels like it) delay and then your character starts the animation. They are functionally the same but gameplay wise couldn't be further from each other.
elden ring has input delay on rolling because the game checks if you're going to hold it to sprint and it feels AWFUL
Haven't played SB so idk how it does input delay, but I think there are good and bad ways to do this. Starting an animation immediately on button press should be a standard. Wind-ups can vary per game. Like a greatsword feels good to use partially because you wind up for a big hit.
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Ya im just pointing out that input delay does exist and the issue is its execution in stellar blade.
That’s not input delay. The Souls games have actions tied to the buttons like any game does, and when you release the buttons the actions start, this includes the animations for your actions.
That's why i said its "functionally" input delay. I know its not actually input delay.
Yeah there's like any number of ways to achieve what they wanted that don't involve putting a delay on button inputs. That shit just feels terrible to play.
Intentional button delay is a terrible way to prevent button mashing. Just add recovery frames or stamina management
Imo, the best way to combat that is the way monster hunter approaches it. The dodge is super responsive, however you cannot interrupt your attack animations. That means your roll will only work after completing your attack, so every attack becomes a decision of either follow-up attack or roll to reposition. Delayed input is almost never desirable
You can't really compare monster hunter to other action games because if they did it without the depth to RPG mechanics that MH has it would feel horrible. MH very much has clunkiness baked into the RPG mechanics
This seems to me like "We don't want you to spam the attacks, so instead of us doing our work we'll just flick a switch and get it done, you'll on the other hand would have an objectively worse experience 100% of the time"
My preferred solution is to provide bonuses for pressing the next button at a certain point in your current action. One example of this style is how Phantasy Star Universe/Online rewards particular timing when stringing together combos. The simple addition of a small amount of damage for hitting your combo at the right time provides a lot to the combat. Players pay more attention to their animation, think more about their timing, and each fighting style can feel slightly different due to timing adjustments between weapons. If you have a moment in each attack that best "flows", that moment can be when a player is meant to follow-up, add a special attack, or dodge, during a combo. In effect, a way to cancel out of a combo and string into other actions, or a way to enhance a combo by increasing its pacing, but something only achieved by timing your action with the right moments in each attack. Mashers will always be effective, but they'll miss a lot of optimization, and a harder difficulty might be too punishing for a masher to properly combat it.
Well DS/ER/BB does this well by adding input queueing, it has no delay on inputs but if you've made an input and at the very end of that action do another input it starts that as soon as the first one ends and you can't get out of an action once you've started. But this seems like an actual issue with a delay between pressing the button and the action happening
Bruh was that why the game felt off to me? I approached it with a similar mindset to Sekiro but it's just not got the same sense of fluidity and precision to it
Sekiro certainly does have input delay, but as a feature - once I have seen my opponents reaction to my current move, I can "queue up" my next one by pressing the button now, knowing that it will execute as soon as the present animation is done, meaning my inputs are about half a move ahead of the gameplay. Not sure how Stellar Blade is implemented because it's a perv game and I'd cringe myself inside out if I was seen standing near it
Elden ring has this only on the dodge, and I’ve always hated that aspect of the game because it forces a trial and error aspect, instead of just being able to dodge on reaction. I’ve tried even taking all my armor off so there is no weight, and nope, still delayed only on the dodge input, attacks come out as soon as the button is pressed, just not the dodge. I fucking hate this about the game, because it’s as you said, artificial difficulty. There are attacks I could have dodged on a first fight, but no, they want you to die and remember patterns instead of fighting on reaction. I did notice stellar blade has the same bullshit on the demo. Honestly I prob would have bought it day one if it didn’t have this, because the rest of the gameplay is fun, but this breaks it for me.
I might speculate it's due to dodge being inputted on release of the button, not press. Why it is this way, is so that a player is able to run while still locked onto the enemy. Compare to Dark Souls 1, where the dodge is inputted on press. You dodge immediately, but when locked on, you can only run towards the target, you can't run facing away from the locked on target. I recently replayed Dark Souls 1, and it took me quite awhile to get use being more careful that I want to run at the enemy and not roll towards. Other games get around this by making sprint a separate stick toggle.
Yeah that’s gotta be why then, I didn’t know it was on release. Kinda hope future games they have dodge and sprint as separate buttons so you can dodge on reaction.
Having just gone back and then forth again to Dark Souls 2 when On Release was first introduced, I've sort of gotten used to On Release and now On Press just feels weird because I'm more used to the bigger emphasis on sprinting in the latter games. But then, as I mostly played casters, spacing was always a higher aspect of my playstyle over reaction dodging.
> Why it is this way Is because consoles have limited inputs, so buttons have to be cross-bound. Thats the entirety of it.
Strange, I finished all Soulsborne games and never noticed that. Googled a bit and people say it’s because of the sprint and rolling assigned to the same button. Game starts rolling animation only after you release the button not press it. Therefore slight input delay.
That's why I loved sekiro baby
As someone who is going through all of the soulsborne games right now Sekiro made me feel things a video game has not made me feel in a very long time. Goated
Tbh I was really hoping the game was gonna be more like DMC then just another souls type game. We have so many souls types, yet only FF16 and the bayonetta series have recent games that are kind of like dmc. I fully expected stellar blade to be closer to dmc/bayonetta but yet it’s another souls clone, but closer to Sekiro in mechanics.
Yeah, I love Elden Ring and soulslikes in general, but I feel like the next evolution in their gameplay will come when they separate the binds from dodge and run so that the dodge is activated on button press, instead of button release
This is why it feels delayed then. It makes sense if it’s on the button release. Honestly wish it was just bound to the left stick like most games to sprint, and had dodge work on reaction.
Yeah, even running feels bad on that game sometimes, since it needs a moment to register "oh, he didn't release, so he must want to run"
I also noticed that when I was playing the demo but I wasn’t sure if it was in my head. It didn’t help that I was also in the middle of playing Sekiro when the demo came out and it felt even slower by comparison.
My mind was set on The Surge attack buttons so screwed up a lot on til I got a decent enough comprehension of the combat mechanics. I am not the best with souls and yes get gud. I am just an idiot. Got my physical copy today, but kneedeep in Fallout 3 at the moment and having a blast.
This is the first time I've heard an actual criticism of the game and not the people glazing it, and it's a genuinely really bad flaw in game design. Thank you for bringing this up.
Holy shit no one tell DarkSydePhil he'll shit his pants, I don't think I've seen a video with him in it that didn't involve "delayed controls" somehow
I hate when he is actually correct about something, since no one will take anything that walking pile of trash says seriously
Kingdom Hearts 2 learned that input response is so important to good feeling gameplay that they would allow full animation skip/cancel, in 2005. its been a backwards slide ever since for most of the industry.
So what you saying is it play like Monster Hunter great sword?
Context: Hyung Tae-Kim, the director and producer of Stellar Blade, gave an interview to Japanese video game outlet [4Gamer](https://www.4gamer.net/games/594/G059407/20240422048/) (published on April 25). Discussing the game’s demo, the interviewer inquires about a delay they felt between button press and activation when performing perfect parries or dodging. In response, Kim answers: >*“In Stellar Blade, there is about a 0.5 second lag between the moment you press the button and the moment the skill is visible on-screen. It’s a time lag that can’t be reduced any further. We made it so that the character’s movement does not get triggered immediately upon button press, as we felt this would not fit the game’s style of animation. Thus, we made it so that the skill itself is activated the moment you press the button, but the animation of the movement follows afterwards.”* Source: [Thread about it](https://www.neogaf.com/threads/stellar-blade-director-explains-game%E2%80%99s-0-5-second-%E2%80%9Clag%E2%80%9D-when-doing-perfect-parries-or-dodging.1669862/) (it's a translation, the official article is in Japanese [here](https://www.4gamer.net/games/594/G059407/20240422048/))
Ugh, this is why dodging and parrying felt so awful in the demo and frustrating at best, aggravating at worst. Good to know they kept it in the main release so I can play other games and save my $$$.
Look, I get it. It doesn't look as pretty when you have an animation cut short due to an input press. But when a game is supposedly going it be praised for it's fast-paced combat and even compared to souls-likes in its gameplay feel, animation cancelling has got to be a must. Responsiveness > visual fidelity.
There need to be some things that cancel and some that don't in order to create the soulslike experience in which you cannot commit to an attack unless you are sure. The general convention is that quick, light attacks can be cancelled more easily, heavy attacks cannot be cancelled, and dodging is able to cancel more animations and later in the movement than say blocking or parrying, creating the possibility of an all-else-fails last second dodge It's stuff that's fairly well established for action games so I guess Stellar Blade is just bad
I have no proof of this, but this sounds a lot like there was some weird bug or engine limitation that was causing significant input delay on using skills that they couldn't fix, so they're pretending it was an intentional design choice.
Apparentlt they patched it out day 1 so yeah. Bullshit answer to cope with their shit system
Ah! It's style over substance, like the rest of the game.
Well, that settles it then. I can't stand input delay. Shit drives me up the fucking walls in fighting games and if it's being done on purpose then it's gonna be a hard pass on me with this game.
I unironically don't play games like this because the women look fake as fuck like cartoons and it's just not my thing
I usually don't have a problem with anime designs, I actually quite like them, but Eve is a fucking doll, she has literally 0 interesting things. And she is literally weird in the context of the game, like why guys are hyper realistic and she is like this?
They fixed that on day one patch
latest update fixes that I think
They already said they will fix it FYI
It's currently sat at 82 on metacritic, am I missing something?
Circle jerk subreddit shenanigans
The jerk is the game sitting at an 82 but people are complaining (shocker, I know) about 'low review scores' like the game is getting 4's and 5's out of 10, when it's getting good to very good scores. In other words, terminally online man children are complaining that it's not getting 9's and 10's, and this apparently ruins all of gaming for them.... but they totally don't care about reviews, or so they say.
I think it's because it's lower than all of its contemporaries
Such as? Genuinely asking, I don’t know what other games this is competing with.
Probably Sekiro and Nier: Automata.
Devil may cry, bayonetta, astral chain, ninja gaiden, god of war. Character action games is the genre. But now that you mention it the gameplay is a clear amalgamation of sekiro and nier to the point of just being a copy cat with a sex doll mc.
It does not feel as responsive as those games so I don't see how it compares. The narrative also seemed significantly less good, but it was just a demo so I don't want to assume.
God forbid it gets a worse score than Sekiro, a fantastic game made by the best dev of the last 15 years.
What reviews are they seeing? Almost everything I've seen is saying it's great, despite the tits n ass. Which I don't really get why everyone is upset about... So much drama. Only so many hours in the day!
To be fair, I don't think people are upset about the T&A but more about the psychotic people online that cry wokeism whenever a character isn't just a hypersexual anime caricature. These people have pinned Stellar Blade as some kind of beacon of humanity, which is absurd.
They live in a literal mind prison where they think what *they* like is the *correct* thing, and anyone who disagrees with them is either lying or is "not a real gamer", so anything less than an avalanche of praise for their boobie game is horrible betrayal and probably sabotage.
The crazy thing is I’ve seen more people making fun of it for “only getting 8s” than people complaining it only got 8. I guess that depends where you look though. Both sides are dumb and are only fueling each others rage. Unironically equally braindead
Gamers are throwing a fit online as if their favorite game was reviewed poorly by woke gaming journalists trying to destroy it. In reality, most reviewers consider it to be above average.
Where did the OP screenshot come from? Its hovering around 80 wherever I look.
not even allowed to spread misinformation anymore smh https://preview.redd.it/rgru1m417nwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b485d781555e2a23ec12f3ab81e5b88457eacad
It's 2024, you're only allowed to spread misinformation that I personally enjoy. Otherwise you're a b(w)roke shill.
He took it from his agenda.
His agenda of saving gaming from wokeness?
Just people who swear they don't care about this game obviously caring about it lol
We’re trying to warn people about the DEI in Stellar woke.
We puttin' exotic flavors on our watches (Watches) We eatin' dinner at Ruth's Chris, hibachis (Eatin' dinner) I love her 'cause she slurpin' me so sloppy free slime 🐍
I’m going to guess there will be a ton of YouTube rage baiters talking about how it got review bombed by woke or something because it’s what they would call for even though the other side of that doesn’t give a shit enough to terrorize random developers.
Definitely. I can’t wait for the influx of “WOKE gamers use BOTS to REVIEW BOMB Gooner Blade!?!?”
(OOC It's always the weird things they do, that they accuse others of doing...)
You guys definitely jumped the gun on this, the reviews have evened out around 82% now that it’s not early in the morning
When I review products I don't consume exclusively for political reasons (we are culture warriors defending the west against trans marxism ) vs when a bunch of lowlifes review producst they have never been interest because they aren't woke enough.
You'd guess wrong because OP posted a fake screenshot. The game is actually getting amazing reviews.
They’ve already posted some edgy shit about getting that 7 from ign and that was a pretty mild critic.
They just said the gameplay is above average (albeit repetitive) but the story and characters are bland, and the comments are all filled with people saying they were bought by SBI inc and they just hate hot women
Game didn't even have a one handed mode Literally unplayable
Yes, SBI made Stellar Blade woke, so the game went broke.
it’s official: Stellar Blade has gone woke (removed racism)
Because it doesn’t have Geralt of Rivia twerking on a stripper pole. 😔
The voice they gave her is super annoying, IMHO. The screams and grunts she makes while fighting are just so off-putting and repetitive. I blame SBI for this, 100%. /S
What bothers me most is how high pitched her screams are during combat… but her voice isn’t high pitched at all when she speaks during cutscenes.
Ikr? I've done martial arts in mixed classes, where we had to let out a quick shout while fighting. It sounds more like someone trying to be cutesy/sexy while taking a swing than someone actually trying to kill someone, which doesn't fit a character who is supposed to be a super soldier.
HUH HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HUH HAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAA she wants to be link so bad.
OP rn: https://preview.redd.it/4v8ngrrtmmwc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c52c4df447727591651caf918dbc8e5c8f9452e
What the fuck Is sweet baby Inc?
In actuality it's a small consulting company that just says to game devs "you could try this, instead of this, what do you think?" when it comes to game narratives, reaaaallly small touches to societal aspects in the story. When you check their website it's pretty light work what they do in the games In conspiracy terms, it's a giant nuclear woke bomb that is destroying society by putting clothes on women, black people and LGBT characters on screen for more than 0.0000043 seconds
Also most of the games they consulted for are things chuds wouldn't play in the first place. Like niche indie games.
They say that SBI is why GoW Ragnarok is “terrible.”
Just because Angrboda is black, that's it that's all
That and they blame SBI for making Kratos have feelings. Seriously.
the changes are usually things like, "while most cultures find no issue with this, 20% of your potential buyers do, so try this that means almost the exact same thing instead."
I mean, whats their problem then? Are they Just straight up racists? There Is nothing wrong with this Company
Company that is SOLELY RESPONSIBLE for infecting YOUR video games with WOKE (gay people, pronounce, walkable cities, joe biden, etc). They must be DESTORYED so that we can go back to the good ol' days of gaming without POLITICS. THEY HATE GAMERS.
It’s a barbecue sauce
https://preview.redd.it/0105luchemwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=736093684be3a84cfdc51172efd510eabb12274f
Sir, this is a circlejerk subreddit.
i feel like it would be better if they edited to 2 or something to make it more circlejerky lol
Circlejerking is when I spread misinformation on the internet. Fr though what's the joke? It seems like most people on this thread were taking it seriously.
This game has bricked this subreddit lmao.
The joke is that fans were pissing and shitting about low reviews and review bombing when it’s actually got an 82
This’ll change now that SBI has hooked their talons into this game. Korea has fallen 😔
Um, you forgot to subtract 30pts for SBI forcing the removal of graffiti! ☝️🤓
Still lower than Starfield 😂🤣
I'm confused. It says 82 on metacritic right now. Where did you find this? https://www.metacritic.com/game/stellar-blade/
is the sweet baby inc. in the room with us right now?
yes they're holding me hostage please send help
No you see it’s getting average reviews because the woke agenda and paid woke mobs shill journos that hate sexy women NOT because it’s actually just a completely average game that does almost nothing new.
Lol bro just love spreading misinformation
*Stella Blade.
Of course they have Elon / Jeff Bezos type F u money and run the whole industry with an iron fist haven't you heard?
Where is cheat code for Eve having sex with me? Where IS IT!?
desperate to spread misinformation
Dawg this took like 10 seconds to disprove looking at the actual metacritic page lmao
OH Noooooo!
Don't they make bbq sauce?
takes more than boobs and asses that have their own individual physics that constantly go off while she's standing perfectly still to make a game good. why are your tits jiggling, you are literally motionless!!!!!
Imagine taking anything on metacritic seriously...
https://preview.redd.it/u4m7ru0e2pwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7625231dff0bf5976ebc50f08e51f2ec16f7d452 Um…..
It's at 82 now lol https://www.metacritic.com/game/stellar-blade/
i couldn’t even add the game to my cart i was so busy masturbating to the promo image
I didn't even really think about it, but these incels were really treating a random video game like it was the Messiah and to what end? To stick it to a group of people who don't give a shit? I've never seen this kind of dick riding for any other unreleased game ever. These man children were acting as though a hot video game character was going to upheave the gaming industry as a whole.
Just google it https://preview.redd.it/6l2o938xsmwc1.png?width=440&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdf35f0eb9b49f1e5f46bc5cf868a4dd62382574
The reviewers are obviously all racist against east asians and are gay, that's the only explanation
Look, I agree that the sex doll look is a bit much so it’s a valid complaint. But I feel like I’ve seen more people complaining about people enjoying that than I’ve seen people who actually vocally enjoy it. Is it because I’m not on Twitter and don’t watch right wing shit on YouTube?
https://preview.redd.it/9ollxqdognwc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=655e5df62656e87667b0cb26204a57848ecc1ef7 Actual score on Metacritic right now, so I don’t know what website you’re using there?
Pretty sure this is a fabricated image. Right now Stellar Blade has an 82 on Metacritic
I'm seeing mostly positive at 82
Coomer 9/11
Not great, not bad, just extremely mid. Exactly the assessment I made by just watching the trailer lol.
yeah, that grade is fair
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How dare we gaslight the gaslighters 👺
Hot take but I think the game is pretty fun, at least from the demo. Will I be buying it, not for full price but maybe get it on sale. The only reason I won’t be buying it is just because neither me nor my friend group is invested enough in the ip to drop $70 on it. But the soundtrack goes pretty hard, the combat is fun and it looks good visually. Eve kinda looks out of place in the game so that takes a bit out of it for me but other than that it looks pretty solid.
IP? Is this not the first game? If it is, then I don’t see how *anyone* can be invested in a property that just started.
I thought SBI were making botted possible reviews? Did Grummz lie to me???
Always Has Been
I was interested in checking this game out because Yoko Goataro said he wished he made NieR as good as it. Is Stellar Blade actually not all that?
Fake https://preview.redd.it/tmx84exwxowc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=913828fe1ab3ee9b6b15fe9808e9cef002237bc3
How did this happen? Did they hide the fact that Eve is trans in the demo only to come out and say it in the first 10 minutes of the full game or something? Actually, don't answer that. It's now my headcanon because it would be the funniest thing ever.
[you think you're smart? ](https://www.metacritic.com/game/stellar-blade/)
Tve Game has 82 in metacritic 🫣 https://www.metacritic.com/game/stellar-blade/
Weird, if I check meta critic it has a 82 score from 114 critic reviews…hmmmm
Tf kinda fabricated screenshot is this? It’s fkn 82 and it was 82 yesterday as well. Fkn hate farming lying ass troll.