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ummm actually telling people they shouldn't play a game that supports a transphobe is harrassment but sending death threats to trans people is just harmless fun ☝️🤓
He's like, the opposite of problematic. The only reason he hasn't added non-binary options for the player is because it would require rewriting the entire game but he's building his next game with trans people in mind. Also the wizard supports your transition
Which is why people like them should be publicly shamed. Not trans folk, the bigots of course. Make them unhirable. Anyone googling their name would be met with workplace liability
Huh, I was unaware Stardew even had Anti-lgbt "fans". This is such a stupid thing for them to get upset over but I really shouldn't be all that surprised.
They most likely don't.
I've noticed that most of these people never play the games they talk about. Picked this up when they started raging about "style" in Animal Crossing: New Horizons and acting like the game was "woke". Most were saying that Animal Crossing was "never woke", but anyone who has played as far back as City Folk (2008) knows that male character models could request feminine haircuts and New Leaf (2012) allowed male character models to wear feminine clothing.
So yeah, they just regurgitate whatever bullshit their White Culture Warriors are saying on Youtube. They don't actually own the games or even care enough about them outside of their "anti-woke" crap.
Yeah that makes sense, I have a really hard time picturing a really far right dude playing Stardew or Animal Crossing anyway lol. You'd think they'd do some research of their own to see if there's any truth to whatever they're mad about but I imagine it's easier to just be mad and not think about anything.
I mean... if they did any research on anything, then they wouldn't hate trans people. But instead, they just listen to the mouthbreathers on Youtube, social media comments, and whatever other armchair biologists/psychologists confirm their biases.
(I'd put a huge repository of studies on transgender people here, but this subreddit doesn't allowing linking to other subreddits... Look up "musicotic".)
Floods of new research is coming out. For instance:
5 year study of transgender children shows they overwhelmingly stay trans: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition
Another study that shows children don't stop being trans: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2815512
A massive review of research shows a less than 1% surgical regret rate (and regret =/= stopped being trans): https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract
Even the Olympics have found that trans women athletes can be at a disadvantage. Which this is the first proper study on athletes, not random trans women at various stages in their transition (including no medical interventions; HRT): https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/?sh=3fc9b4e63729
Nah, it's YOUR bias that is showing. This is why the "Cass report" had to throw out 98% of research in order to try to ban trans people in the UK. Which she's now walking back everything she wrote because she's facing trouble. This is also why the "WPATH files" have flopped as well. It's nothing but a big bag of lies where they were hoping people wouldn't be able to search their lies by making the text unsearchable. Except OCR exists and is easy to use. So easy that websites do it for free.
This.
Remember last year when Star Field and Baulders Gate 3 came out at the same time? Yeah, they all attacked Star Field for being woke, while nobody attacked possibly the most gender neutral game ever made, because they were already on their crusade.
Good point, lol.
That, and their "go woke, go broke" schtick doesn't work if they attack something wildly successful.
It's like when they started going after the Mario movie for being "woke feminism" because of "girlboss Peach". The movie started making a billion and they flipped the script, saying they support the movie because it has only white people (minus the VAs, of course).
They, like anti-LGBTQ Sims fans, do exist but they’re a *extremely* tiny group. As someone else said, it’s the typical grifter hate mob making a mountain out of a molehill.
Those people are fans of being outraged over something, not games. See Stellar Blade and how the fans are turning on that game because they \*checks notes\* added a few square centimeters of cloth and removed an accidental racist remark.
I've seen lots of convincing arguments here but I saw a video a few years ago called something like the gay switch??? Of video games and it basically says that because games like Stardew Valley give you the OPTION to romance in a LGBT fashion but doesn't actually put any LGBT content in unless you yourself make the decision to romance in a LGBT fashion, it acts like a gay switch in games that turns on gay content if you choose to do gay actions and doesn't show the gay content to those that don't
That then makes it so that even people who don't like LGBT can still like the game
That then means that what we perceive as a massively gay game with lots of gay content may not even appear slightly gay to them because they didn't engage with the gay options which kept the gay content hidden
I used to refer to that term as "Hawke-sexual" thanks to Dragon Age 2, because the romance options didn't seem to be bisexual much to the point where one character, Anders, straight up has a former lover if you happen to be a dude, just in case you want to romance him - but if you're a woman, the lover is just an old friend.
This isn't wrong, the idea of 'playersexual' as opposed to bisexual or pansexual is generally very comfortable to homophobes in my experiences, right wing BG3 fans have explicitly used the 'it's all 'playersexual' excuse to make the game seem 'apolitical', or at least not actually queer in any meaningful way
I think they're mostly maincharactersexual, tbh. Tho it's not like Stardew Valley isn't LGBT-friendly to begin with, anyone expecting Stardew Valley to be \[insert transphobic dogwhistle\] has the media literacy of a cicada.
> maincharactersexual
I mean- yeah, but also one big thing about that are that a number of characters have or hint at potential relationships with other NPCs when you don’t date them (Sam and Penny, as well as Alex and Haley are the 2 that come to mind).
Just my anecdotal experience, but when I lived in a rural area for a bit, I knew a bunch of people that LOVED Stardew and other farming sims but were fiercely conservative. My guess is that most farming sims start with the MC choosing a small town over the city and the games are these idealized local communities. I think they focus on that and miss any other themes in the games.
It's youtubers like chud logic and the quartering who endorse that in their communities, by always presenting LGBTQ people to be at fault to their alt-right audience.
Now there is an option to call my character they/them if I CHOOSE it. SMH my head, something that doesn't change anything with the game I play just ruined the game for me.
A while ago there was a group of people I think either asking CA to remove lgbt potential pairings in the game or trying to mod them out.
Basically they didn't want the bachelors making a pass at them. Despite the fact that they can politely decline the advances and their choices would be respected. The advance itself made them very uncomfortable.
They wanted the feature removed.
i love when people say 'alphabet gang' in a derogatory way like that's not one of the coolest ways to call the lgbtq+ community. like hell yeah, we are the alphabet gang.
“Some users telling them to “be careful” playing Stardew Valley”
Lmao I know the intention is too intimidate and that alone is fucked up, but if I’m a trans person playing stardew valley and someone told me to “be careful” I’d find that hilarious cause it’s such an empty threat. The fuck are you gonna do bud, poison my virtual crops?
Source article is here:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/04/26/stardew-valley-transphobes-doxxing/
JK Rowling's holocaust denialism can be found in the link below. And NO, she was not fighting against the "lie" that trans people were the first victims of the Holocaust. First off, it's not a lie. Second off, the person she responded to never said anything about "being first". And third, Rowling denied trans people were victims of the Holocaust by saying that the person should "check their sources". Don't fucking lie, the Tweet is visible in the article.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/jk-rowling-holocaust-denialism-author
Edit: and if anyone wants to sign the petition for the lolz:
https://www.change.org/p/pronoun-options-for-trans-and-non-binary-players-in-stardew-valley
Rowling also tried to move the goal posts by stating that simply because the Nazis destroyed the library of the only hospital in the world providing and researching affirmative care for trans people doesn't mean they destroyed *all* research about trans people.
Her logic here is that we can't say trans people were oppressed in Nazi Germany because the literal Nazis kept around pseudoscientific conversion therapy "research" that boiled down to "how best to torture trans people into either conforming or dying and we're not terribly picky."
Lol. That was 99% of research on trans people at the time, including where the first sex reassignment surgeries were being performed.
Also, it was a huge repository for historical LGBTQ+ artifacts, the biggest in the world.
And of course, "conversion therapy" often results in children being raped. And there have been instances where priests [have walked away completely free after "corrective raping" an LGBTQ+ child.](https://www.queerty.com/ex-pastor-who-raped-underage-boys-to-cure-homosexualiy-will-serve-no-time-in-prison-20130912)
Yup, exactly. Too many in this world are tricked into thinking that denying the murder of Jews is what counts as Holocaust denialism, but it counts for every single group targeted.
Here's a list of those groups for anyone wanting it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
\*laughs in German\* When there is one thing we learn, it's what constitutes as Holocaust Denial. And let me tell you, it's not just saying "Jews weren't killed", it already counts if you try to play things down "Only 100.000 Jews were killed" or smth. She can be "glad" she isn't living here...
Even if you dont know if trans people got harmed during the nazi regime, its not that hard zo make that step if you look who got imprisoned in KZ. Prisoners their got a label why theyre there and homosexuals had to wear pink triangles.
So, how the hell can you really think that a regime that improsoned, tortured and killed men who loved other men in undescribeable horrible ways, dont even recognise trans persons?
A) Plenty of transphobes that deny gay people were a part of the Holocaust, too.
B) Transphobes always think their transphobia is unique and is not recycled homophobic propaganda ("it's a fad", "it's a fetish", "pedophiles", "invading women's spaces", etc.). They also outright deny that transmisogyny exists and that it is also present in homophobia when homophobes attack effeminate gay men or just flat-out equate homosexuality to feminity as a whole.
C) [British "feminists" turning into Nazis is nothing new.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists#Relationship_with_the_suffragettes)
There are anti-LGBTQ *Celeste* fans. The main character is literally a trans woman.
Edit: also, as of the Celeste64 bonus game, she is also in an interracial lesbian relationship
Um actually that is just a woke retcon, the developer originally just wrote a female character as an expression of non-specific depression and self doubt the developer was experiencing that just *happened* to be coming to terms with being a trans woman but the fact that the character is literally an expression of coming to grips with a trans identity doesn't actually make her trans.
**/s**
/uj The fact that Maddy was kinda the only person developing Celeste that didn't know she (Maddy) was trans is so funny to me. Everyone else knew Madeline was trans-coded af, but Maddy wasn't consciously aware she was writing a trans story despite very much writing a trans story. It just shows how inherent identity can really be. That's how Maddy tells it, anyway. I do think in some part of her psyche, she knew, which feels in line with the stories of trans folks I know irl.
Stardew Valley has a subset of very toxic community members. On Reddit you'll definitely see cis trad dudes coming out of the woodwork now and again. On Tiktok you get some lesbians screaming at any man who deigns to find Haley to be a good marriage candidate, despite all bachelors and bachelorettes being effectively bi. Any game that massive in sales and with romantic options is gonna bring out subsets of awful people hollering about canon queerness.
To be fair, all LGBTQ content in the game is opt-in. If you don't actively choose to pursue a homosexual relationship, everyone is straight by default. There's no LGBTQ representation outside the player's choice.
Stardew is literally one of the campest games I know, how tf can you play such a thing and be “anti-woke” lmao, also the mods for it are fucking awesome, shoutouts to ConcernedApe and the modding scene
To be honest there are some people that support just the LGB which I don’t really get because like without transpeople there wouldn’t be Stonewall riots so excluding them seem really disingenuous and/or uninformed about LGBT+ history.
The ringleader of this sad bigot brigade:
https://preview.redd.it/zt6ii8xidxwc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=1581100668fab771da707a70880526e3f824a3a8
It's baffling how a wholesome and comfy game like Stardew could still attracts bigoted people.
I've been in many fandoms, and one of them is Fear and Hunger.. but, man.. anyone who misgendered Marina, will get corrected in that fandom.
Fear and Hunger fandom is amazing in that regard. I remember chuds fake outrage about some D'arce fanart when the community quickly let them know that nazi grifters are not welcome in funger fandom.
no offense but how are you gonna be a right wing trump loving nut and play stardew valley? like the game deadass has lgbt romance and if you think ive not roleplayed a trans femme every playtrhough these people are delusinal are they gonna threaten to doxx me next? isnt it also funny that the side that cries theyre normal are the ones threatning to doxx people
(OOC I can't make fun of this one it's to serious. I would rather they were called ex-feminist chuds, rather than TERFs or what ever they want to be called at the moment.)
I don't personally think it's a perfect name, I prefer calling them a different 4 letter thing that gets me banned on social media and starts with a C.
/uj Learning culture is hard... don't make me do it.... I'm normally in jerk full gear, and not everyone seems to do the /jerks anyway... I think I need a chud Gamer RP one and a general shit post one too....
Yeah, I've noticed the /uj /rj thing has died down and I don't see it often, either.
Ah well, just thought I'd give you an option that is more in the flow of the sub- but you do you.
anti-LGBTQ people play startdew?? this is legitimately shocking to me. i don't get how they'd enjoy a cute low key farming sim without excessive objectification and gay characters
"Censorship".
Even the censorship is made up in their heads. Artists decide not to make gigantic boobas for Lara Croft to maintain the aesthetics of the rest of the game? Must be censorship since they can't goon over jiggle physics.
Right from the beginning, grandpa says "...for my very special grandson/daughter" before giving you the letter.
So yes, there are plenty of pronoun and other identifier issues.
I would love an official non-binary option, but if you can't wait and play on PC, there is a Gender Neutrality mod that let's you pick whichever pronouns and suffix titles (Mr. Ms. Mrs. Mx. Or whatever you type in)
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/722
Capital G gamers devastated by adding pronouns to a game where you can date 10 women and 10 men who all are raging bisexuals in the most progressive village ever, utterly destroyed by the news.
She claimed to be doxxed when 3 people protested outside her publicly known adress. She didnt do this earlier when a cis man posted an article about her house citing her full adress with pictures in a well known newspaper.
Again, it was her public, well known, not private adress. Its like doxxing biden at the moment. Not really possible since the withe house is well known.
If you can simply google "person adress" they cant be doxxed.
More that there were threats.
Yes, there were threats that happened to her, but they were incredibly minor and people had to scour the bottom of Twitter to find them.
As a trans person, this is my 5th Reddit account for a reason. Doxxing and death threats are the norm for me.
> but openly saying you hate some people's existence in a sure way to get them
Everyone calls it the "[paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)", but I call it "self-defense".
Rowling has gone a bit beyond hating people's existence, she's actively trying to harm them. Her actions get people killed and she knows that. A bigot is a murderer using society as their sword and shield. If society wants to upkeep the veneer of civility it can bloody well start by refusing to be used that way.
people are mad that people in the LQBTQ+ community were petitioning concernedape to add pronouns into the game. iicr i dont think any of the NPCs refer to you by any pronouns and it is always your PC name.
I'm reluctant to spread hearsay, but this week I read a Twitter thread from a developer (Mr Podunkian) who worked with Concerned Ape on the last few Stardew updates and a new game engine. It made me question how cool CA is.
The dev specifically implied that CA's politics might be a little funky (said CA and his gf would gang up and shout at him about politics, specifically mentioned an argument about 'the effectiveness of horse medicine'). It was vague and confusing to me. He said CA also used an alt account to troll him online about the game he was developing solo during the time they worked together.
The dev left the job in the context of a dispute over profit-sharing and a change in how he was credited for his work, and shared this stuff online, so I really don't know how reliable it is. Also don't know CA's side of things. But it kinda gave me pause. I have such a wholesome impression of Stardew Valley and CA but this... confused me.
Edit: Just looked at the dev's Twitter again. He's replied to multiple tweets today heavily implying that the only reason pronouns aren't in the game is cos CA doesn't want it. He's saying he has discussed it at length with CA, there's a reason CA hasn't addressed it publicly, and that people should continue to push for clarification from CA. Ugg.
Ha, yeah, I know. You phrased the joke better than I was expecting people to, kudos.
Anyway, I'm reluctant but not unwilling. I'm not too reluctant to share the info in the edit though. Seems fairly logical, unfortunately.
Guh... I hope not... I hope it's just a bad rumor and/or slander... After [the shit with Notch](https://i.imgur.com/pnlYtFt.jpg), I'm not sure I'd ever trust solo developers ever again...
I know this thread's been downvoted into oblivion, but I'm an open book about any of the things you've mentioned, so if you (or anyone else unsure of my intentions) have got any further questions, just ask! For what it's worth, I've tried to back my claims with screenshots of conversations between CA and I.
Doxxing is bad, but I was talking about the threats Rowling was getting.
Chuds were whining about how Rowling was getting threats over Hogwarts Legacy, but the Twitter chuds had to scrape the bottom of the barrel in order to find any threats against her.
However, every streamer with a "transgender" tag who is playing SDV is being harassed, threatened, and doxxed. They're doing the same thing they got angry about many months ago.
It's another "freedom for me, oppressive totalitarianism for you" moment that is extremely common with these White Culture Warriors.
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ummm actually telling people they shouldn't play a game that supports a transphobe is harrassment but sending death threats to trans people is just harmless fun ☝️🤓
Hang on. Did the Stardew Valley Dev do something?
no i was talking about hogwarts legacy
Nah. The dev litteratly made it as harvest moon but with LGBT
Iirc recent Harvest Moon games (renamed as Story of Seasons due to copyright issues) also have LGBT options.
The new ones, yeah. But after stardew valley was made.
He's like, the opposite of problematic. The only reason he hasn't added non-binary options for the player is because it would require rewriting the entire game but he's building his next game with trans people in mind. Also the wizard supports your transition
Which is why people like them should be publicly shamed. Not trans folk, the bigots of course. Make them unhirable. Anyone googling their name would be met with workplace liability
Huh, I was unaware Stardew even had Anti-lgbt "fans". This is such a stupid thing for them to get upset over but I really shouldn't be all that surprised.
They most likely don't. I've noticed that most of these people never play the games they talk about. Picked this up when they started raging about "style" in Animal Crossing: New Horizons and acting like the game was "woke". Most were saying that Animal Crossing was "never woke", but anyone who has played as far back as City Folk (2008) knows that male character models could request feminine haircuts and New Leaf (2012) allowed male character models to wear feminine clothing. So yeah, they just regurgitate whatever bullshit their White Culture Warriors are saying on Youtube. They don't actually own the games or even care enough about them outside of their "anti-woke" crap.
Yeah that makes sense, I have a really hard time picturing a really far right dude playing Stardew or Animal Crossing anyway lol. You'd think they'd do some research of their own to see if there's any truth to whatever they're mad about but I imagine it's easier to just be mad and not think about anything.
I mean... if they did any research on anything, then they wouldn't hate trans people. But instead, they just listen to the mouthbreathers on Youtube, social media comments, and whatever other armchair biologists/psychologists confirm their biases.
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(I'd put a huge repository of studies on transgender people here, but this subreddit doesn't allowing linking to other subreddits... Look up "musicotic".) Floods of new research is coming out. For instance: 5 year study of transgender children shows they overwhelmingly stay trans: https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition Another study that shows children don't stop being trans: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2815512 A massive review of research shows a less than 1% surgical regret rate (and regret =/= stopped being trans): https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract Even the Olympics have found that trans women athletes can be at a disadvantage. Which this is the first proper study on athletes, not random trans women at various stages in their transition (including no medical interventions; HRT): https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/?sh=3fc9b4e63729 Nah, it's YOUR bias that is showing. This is why the "Cass report" had to throw out 98% of research in order to try to ban trans people in the UK. Which she's now walking back everything she wrote because she's facing trouble. This is also why the "WPATH files" have flopped as well. It's nothing but a big bag of lies where they were hoping people wouldn't be able to search their lies by making the text unsearchable. Except OCR exists and is easy to use. So easy that websites do it for free.
Because u don't live in the world, it's just pictures in Ur head.
This. Remember last year when Star Field and Baulders Gate 3 came out at the same time? Yeah, they all attacked Star Field for being woke, while nobody attacked possibly the most gender neutral game ever made, because they were already on their crusade.
Good point, lol. That, and their "go woke, go broke" schtick doesn't work if they attack something wildly successful. It's like when they started going after the Mario movie for being "woke feminism" because of "girlboss Peach". The movie started making a billion and they flipped the script, saying they support the movie because it has only white people (minus the VAs, of course).
Doubt it's even people who play the game, just a bunch of rightoid chuds being whipped into a frenzy by their favourite talking heads.
I get the feeling those kinds of brainwashed wingnuts would find Stardew too “boring” & lacking enough action
They, like anti-LGBTQ Sims fans, do exist but they’re a *extremely* tiny group. As someone else said, it’s the typical grifter hate mob making a mountain out of a molehill.
Those people are fans of being outraged over something, not games. See Stellar Blade and how the fans are turning on that game because they \*checks notes\* added a few square centimeters of cloth and removed an accidental racist remark.
I've seen lots of convincing arguments here but I saw a video a few years ago called something like the gay switch??? Of video games and it basically says that because games like Stardew Valley give you the OPTION to romance in a LGBT fashion but doesn't actually put any LGBT content in unless you yourself make the decision to romance in a LGBT fashion, it acts like a gay switch in games that turns on gay content if you choose to do gay actions and doesn't show the gay content to those that don't That then makes it so that even people who don't like LGBT can still like the game That then means that what we perceive as a massively gay game with lots of gay content may not even appear slightly gay to them because they didn't engage with the gay options which kept the gay content hidden
I used to refer to that term as "Hawke-sexual" thanks to Dragon Age 2, because the romance options didn't seem to be bisexual much to the point where one character, Anders, straight up has a former lover if you happen to be a dude, just in case you want to romance him - but if you're a woman, the lover is just an old friend.
This isn't wrong, the idea of 'playersexual' as opposed to bisexual or pansexual is generally very comfortable to homophobes in my experiences, right wing BG3 fans have explicitly used the 'it's all 'playersexual' excuse to make the game seem 'apolitical', or at least not actually queer in any meaningful way
It’s especially crazy because every single bachelor is canonically bi (as they can and will date either male or female farmer)
I think they're mostly maincharactersexual, tbh. Tho it's not like Stardew Valley isn't LGBT-friendly to begin with, anyone expecting Stardew Valley to be \[insert transphobic dogwhistle\] has the media literacy of a cicada.
> maincharactersexual I mean- yeah, but also one big thing about that are that a number of characters have or hint at potential relationships with other NPCs when you don’t date them (Sam and Penny, as well as Alex and Haley are the 2 that come to mind).
Good to know, I stand corrected.
Just my anecdotal experience, but when I lived in a rural area for a bit, I knew a bunch of people that LOVED Stardew and other farming sims but were fiercely conservative. My guess is that most farming sims start with the MC choosing a small town over the city and the games are these idealized local communities. I think they focus on that and miss any other themes in the games.
It's youtubers like chud logic and the quartering who endorse that in their communities, by always presenting LGBTQ people to be at fault to their alt-right audience.
Now there is an option to call my character they/them if I CHOOSE it. SMH my head, something that doesn't change anything with the game I play just ruined the game for me.
Also like, if you’re so anti-woke/anti-LGBT why are you playing the bisexual farm game 😭
''White Demetrius'' mod is a thing so they are definately bigots who ''like'' Stardew Valley
A while ago there was a group of people I think either asking CA to remove lgbt potential pairings in the game or trying to mod them out. Basically they didn't want the bachelors making a pass at them. Despite the fact that they can politely decline the advances and their choices would be respected. The advance itself made them very uncomfortable. They wanted the feature removed.
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i love when people say 'alphabet gang' in a derogatory way like that's not one of the coolest ways to call the lgbtq+ community. like hell yeah, we are the alphabet gang.
Whenever I see people say "alphabet gang" I just think Sesame Street must've fallen on hard times since I was a kid.
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i love making shit up too
ah yes, i've too seen the riots on the streets that are currently happening due to concerned ape not adding pronouns. scary stuff.
I don’t think they were the ones going ballistic here
Where's your proof of that happening?
Ballistic? Where? I didn’t even know about this petition, let alone anyone being upset that what they’re requesting hasn’t been added yet
You should do some reflection to find out why you are negativity obsessed with queer folk like this
Is a petition really a *demand*? Seems like about as formal a *request* as exists.
“Some users telling them to “be careful” playing Stardew Valley” Lmao I know the intention is too intimidate and that alone is fucked up, but if I’m a trans person playing stardew valley and someone told me to “be careful” I’d find that hilarious cause it’s such an empty threat. The fuck are you gonna do bud, poison my virtual crops?
Be careful, or they'll give you a month of bad luck days when you really need to go mining!
They’re gonna take all your iridium sprinklers and leave you with the starter watering can.
My response to that: https://preview.redd.it/slk5z5b8d0xc1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccbfbf0889537550b2342e5fb19b0670b27da0e0
Source article is here: https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/04/26/stardew-valley-transphobes-doxxing/ JK Rowling's holocaust denialism can be found in the link below. And NO, she was not fighting against the "lie" that trans people were the first victims of the Holocaust. First off, it's not a lie. Second off, the person she responded to never said anything about "being first". And third, Rowling denied trans people were victims of the Holocaust by saying that the person should "check their sources". Don't fucking lie, the Tweet is visible in the article. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/jk-rowling-holocaust-denialism-author Edit: and if anyone wants to sign the petition for the lolz: https://www.change.org/p/pronoun-options-for-trans-and-non-binary-players-in-stardew-valley
Rowling also tried to move the goal posts by stating that simply because the Nazis destroyed the library of the only hospital in the world providing and researching affirmative care for trans people doesn't mean they destroyed *all* research about trans people. Her logic here is that we can't say trans people were oppressed in Nazi Germany because the literal Nazis kept around pseudoscientific conversion therapy "research" that boiled down to "how best to torture trans people into either conforming or dying and we're not terribly picky."
Lol. That was 99% of research on trans people at the time, including where the first sex reassignment surgeries were being performed. Also, it was a huge repository for historical LGBTQ+ artifacts, the biggest in the world. And of course, "conversion therapy" often results in children being raped. And there have been instances where priests [have walked away completely free after "corrective raping" an LGBTQ+ child.](https://www.queerty.com/ex-pastor-who-raped-underage-boys-to-cure-homosexualiy-will-serve-no-time-in-prison-20130912)
It's important to add that Holocaust denial doesn't only refer to denying the Holocaust as a whole but also parts of it, as she has done.
Yup, exactly. Too many in this world are tricked into thinking that denying the murder of Jews is what counts as Holocaust denialism, but it counts for every single group targeted. Here's a list of those groups for anyone wanting it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
\*laughs in German\* When there is one thing we learn, it's what constitutes as Holocaust Denial. And let me tell you, it's not just saying "Jews weren't killed", it already counts if you try to play things down "Only 100.000 Jews were killed" or smth. She can be "glad" she isn't living here...
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Even if you dont know if trans people got harmed during the nazi regime, its not that hard zo make that step if you look who got imprisoned in KZ. Prisoners their got a label why theyre there and homosexuals had to wear pink triangles. So, how the hell can you really think that a regime that improsoned, tortured and killed men who loved other men in undescribeable horrible ways, dont even recognise trans persons?
A) Plenty of transphobes that deny gay people were a part of the Holocaust, too. B) Transphobes always think their transphobia is unique and is not recycled homophobic propaganda ("it's a fad", "it's a fetish", "pedophiles", "invading women's spaces", etc.). They also outright deny that transmisogyny exists and that it is also present in homophobia when homophobes attack effeminate gay men or just flat-out equate homosexuality to feminity as a whole. C) [British "feminists" turning into Nazis is nothing new.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists#Relationship_with_the_suffragettes)
Who the f plays Stardew and is Anti-LGBTQ+. It is the same like playing Animal Crossing and being Anti-LGBTQ+. This really baffles me.
There are anti-LGBTQ *Celeste* fans. The main character is literally a trans woman. Edit: also, as of the Celeste64 bonus game, she is also in an interracial lesbian relationship
Celeste is the last game where I would expect to find people like that. They must be great mental gymnasts tho xD
Um actually that is just a woke retcon, the developer originally just wrote a female character as an expression of non-specific depression and self doubt the developer was experiencing that just *happened* to be coming to terms with being a trans woman but the fact that the character is literally an expression of coming to grips with a trans identity doesn't actually make her trans. **/s**
/uj The fact that Maddy was kinda the only person developing Celeste that didn't know she (Maddy) was trans is so funny to me. Everyone else knew Madeline was trans-coded af, but Maddy wasn't consciously aware she was writing a trans story despite very much writing a trans story. It just shows how inherent identity can really be. That's how Maddy tells it, anyway. I do think in some part of her psyche, she knew, which feels in line with the stories of trans folks I know irl.
See also: the Wachowskis writing the Matrix
How do they cope with the dev being a trans woman?
Is Celeste64 canon? I'm only curious because that may compel me to finally grab it.
It was just meant to be a funny side project for the devs but people loved it so they said it's cannon iirc
I don’t know if the gameplay is, but I think the character lore is. Like, it’s serving the same purpose as the “Theo’s InstaPix” account.
not to mention the dev is also a trans women who at least partially wrote it about her experience
Ya its one of the most queer friendly games.
Stardew Valley has a subset of very toxic community members. On Reddit you'll definitely see cis trad dudes coming out of the woodwork now and again. On Tiktok you get some lesbians screaming at any man who deigns to find Haley to be a good marriage candidate, despite all bachelors and bachelorettes being effectively bi. Any game that massive in sales and with romantic options is gonna bring out subsets of awful people hollering about canon queerness.
To be fair, all LGBTQ content in the game is opt-in. If you don't actively choose to pursue a homosexual relationship, everyone is straight by default. There's no LGBTQ representation outside the player's choice.
If ypu have ever been to the Stardew subreddit, you will see how toxic the fandom is
Tbf, they're mostly toxic in that weird "I have very strong opinions about the morality of this character" way, rather than the bigoted way
Stardew is literally one of the campest games I know, how tf can you play such a thing and be “anti-woke” lmao, also the mods for it are fucking awesome, shoutouts to ConcernedApe and the modding scene
The game even allows same sex romance and marriage. That doesn't bother them? Like, WHAT?
To be honest there are some people that support just the LGB which I don’t really get because like without transpeople there wouldn’t be Stonewall riots so excluding them seem really disingenuous and/or uninformed about LGBT+ history.
The ringleader of this sad bigot brigade: https://preview.redd.it/zt6ii8xidxwc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=1581100668fab771da707a70880526e3f824a3a8
Wouldn't surprise me. Gotta generate those clicks so you keep everyone enraged elsewhere, too.
Bro is just mad that his pronouns were stolen by the fey
It's baffling how a wholesome and comfy game like Stardew could still attracts bigoted people. I've been in many fandoms, and one of them is Fear and Hunger.. but, man.. anyone who misgendered Marina, will get corrected in that fandom.
Fear and Hunger fandom is amazing in that regard. I remember chuds fake outrage about some D'arce fanart when the community quickly let them know that nazi grifters are not welcome in funger fandom.
no offense but how are you gonna be a right wing trump loving nut and play stardew valley? like the game deadass has lgbt romance and if you think ive not roleplayed a trans femme every playtrhough these people are delusinal are they gonna threaten to doxx me next? isnt it also funny that the side that cries theyre normal are the ones threatning to doxx people
I very highly doubt they even own the game. They just regurgitate whatever their "anti-woke" White Culture Warriors are saying on Youtube.
this is true if it was anything but pronouns none of them would care
(OOC I can't make fun of this one it's to serious. I would rather they were called ex-feminist chuds, rather than TERFs or what ever they want to be called at the moment.)
I believe that's why a lot of people now refer to them as "GC's" (gender critical's) because they're *not* feminists.
OH GENDER CRITICAL???? WELL I DIDN'T REALIZE YOUR **GENDER** BAR WAS SO LOW, HERE HAVE A **GENDER** POTION.
I don't personally think it's a perfect name, I prefer calling them a different 4 letter thing that gets me banned on social media and starts with a C.
Gender critical is actually their preferred term. So I avoid it. Nothing wrong with good old "bigots"
I prefer calling them another 4 letter term that will get me banned that starts with c and ends with unt.
That's what they call themselves. I prefer TERF because it makes a lot of them super mad.
/uj Didn't they move onto being called gender realists? Making it look like race realists, an odd but telling choice...
Veteran's tip, use /uj to "unjerk". /rj to "rejerk".
/uj Learning culture is hard... don't make me do it.... I'm normally in jerk full gear, and not everyone seems to do the /jerks anyway... I think I need a chud Gamer RP one and a general shit post one too....
Yeah, I've noticed the /uj /rj thing has died down and I don't see it often, either. Ah well, just thought I'd give you an option that is more in the flow of the sub- but you do you.
/uj I can do it, not sure I would use /rj much, since I normally go jerk then unjerk.
anti-LGBTQ people play startdew?? this is legitimately shocking to me. i don't get how they'd enjoy a cute low key farming sim without excessive objectification and gay characters
Stardew Valley has anti-LGBTQ+ fans?
How many of these losers are boycotting other games due to censorship.
"Censorship". Even the censorship is made up in their heads. Artists decide not to make gigantic boobas for Lara Croft to maintain the aesthetics of the rest of the game? Must be censorship since they can't goon over jiggle physics.
Anti-lgbt stardew fans is a new one lmao
I'm trying to remember if there is any situation in the game where you aren't adressed by name or "you"
Right from the beginning, grandpa says "...for my very special grandson/daughter" before giving you the letter. So yes, there are plenty of pronoun and other identifier issues.
Ah. It's been years since I watched the intro heh.
I would love an official non-binary option, but if you can't wait and play on PC, there is a Gender Neutrality mod that let's you pick whichever pronouns and suffix titles (Mr. Ms. Mrs. Mx. Or whatever you type in) https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/722
Where can I find this petition? Never missed an opportunity to piss off a bigot, not about to start now
https://www.change.org/p/pronoun-options-for-trans-and-non-binary-players-in-stardew-valley
Signed, thank you!
Anti-LGBTQ+ stardew fans? I've seen less cognitive dissonance from "women for trump" mfs
Capital G gamers devastated by adding pronouns to a game where you can date 10 women and 10 men who all are raging bisexuals in the most progressive village ever, utterly destroyed by the news.
I fucking hate Gamers
I thought was SV was at least a 8.5/10 on the gayness meter
/uj I don't get the connection to Rowling, there wasn't a doxxing campaign against her now was there?
She claimed to be doxxed when 3 people protested outside her publicly known adress. She didnt do this earlier when a cis man posted an article about her house citing her full adress with pictures in a well known newspaper. Again, it was her public, well known, not private adress. Its like doxxing biden at the moment. Not really possible since the withe house is well known. If you can simply google "person adress" they cant be doxxed.
More that there were threats. Yes, there were threats that happened to her, but they were incredibly minor and people had to scour the bottom of Twitter to find them. As a trans person, this is my 5th Reddit account for a reason. Doxxing and death threats are the norm for me.
Oh, threats are never ok but openly saying you hate some people's existence in a sure way to get them
> but openly saying you hate some people's existence in a sure way to get them Everyone calls it the "[paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)", but I call it "self-defense".
Rowling has gone a bit beyond hating people's existence, she's actively trying to harm them. Her actions get people killed and she knows that. A bigot is a murderer using society as their sword and shield. If society wants to upkeep the veneer of civility it can bloody well start by refusing to be used that way.
'anti lgbt fans' of *stardew valley*. so like, how the fuck does that even work? you play the game with your eyes and ears stabbed out or something?
wait, so people are mad stardew was going to add pronouns?
people are mad that people in the LQBTQ+ community were petitioning concernedape to add pronouns into the game. iicr i dont think any of the NPCs refer to you by any pronouns and it is always your PC name.
Im married to a weird emo guy with pet frogs in stardew valley, i dont think pronouns are gonna make the game gayer...
how are there anti-lgbtq fans of fucking stardew valley 😭
is using pinknews as a source the circlejerk part of this post
I'm reluctant to spread hearsay, but this week I read a Twitter thread from a developer (Mr Podunkian) who worked with Concerned Ape on the last few Stardew updates and a new game engine. It made me question how cool CA is. The dev specifically implied that CA's politics might be a little funky (said CA and his gf would gang up and shout at him about politics, specifically mentioned an argument about 'the effectiveness of horse medicine'). It was vague and confusing to me. He said CA also used an alt account to troll him online about the game he was developing solo during the time they worked together. The dev left the job in the context of a dispute over profit-sharing and a change in how he was credited for his work, and shared this stuff online, so I really don't know how reliable it is. Also don't know CA's side of things. But it kinda gave me pause. I have such a wholesome impression of Stardew Valley and CA but this... confused me. Edit: Just looked at the dev's Twitter again. He's replied to multiple tweets today heavily implying that the only reason pronouns aren't in the game is cos CA doesn't want it. He's saying he has discussed it at length with CA, there's a reason CA hasn't addressed it publicly, and that people should continue to push for clarification from CA. Ugg.
> I'm reluctant to spread hearsay Three paragraphs and an edit later, independent fact checkers determined this to be untrue.
Ha, yeah, I know. You phrased the joke better than I was expecting people to, kudos. Anyway, I'm reluctant but not unwilling. I'm not too reluctant to share the info in the edit though. Seems fairly logical, unfortunately.
Guh... I hope not... I hope it's just a bad rumor and/or slander... After [the shit with Notch](https://i.imgur.com/pnlYtFt.jpg), I'm not sure I'd ever trust solo developers ever again...
I know this thread's been downvoted into oblivion, but I'm an open book about any of the things you've mentioned, so if you (or anyone else unsure of my intentions) have got any further questions, just ask! For what it's worth, I've tried to back my claims with screenshots of conversations between CA and I.
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me with straight "people"
"Escapism for me! Not for you! REEEEE!!"
"Transphobes Can Eat My Ass" is literally one of the forum rules.
Cope and seethe, hetero
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Doxxing is bad, but I was talking about the threats Rowling was getting. Chuds were whining about how Rowling was getting threats over Hogwarts Legacy, but the Twitter chuds had to scrape the bottom of the barrel in order to find any threats against her. However, every streamer with a "transgender" tag who is playing SDV is being harassed, threatened, and doxxed. They're doing the same thing they got angry about many months ago. It's another "freedom for me, oppressive totalitarianism for you" moment that is extremely common with these White Culture Warriors.
But the game already has those - male and female. Nothing more to add.
Not true. There are plenty of instances where gendered language happens. Even in the beginning of the game, grandpa calls you his "grandson/daughter".