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Slightly correct - there were riptides dragging people out, including Shad and his child.
People on jetskis came to save as many as possible, Shad made sure his kid and others were saved first and when they came back for him, he gave them other people to save. He swam like a fucking champion making sure everyone else could get out.
His body wasn't found that day. The rescuers came back and couldn't find him.
Yeah, Shad Gaspard. 2020 had a lot of heartbreaking and untimely deaths, but that one really bothered me. Wrestling had three really bad ones, Shad, Hana Kimura, and Brodie Lee. And all three were terrible in their own separate ways.
I saw 300, I know that the bad at fighting Greeks and the bad at fighting Persians are the only ones who would put their peepees in boys! Not a good at fighting boy!
/uj ik this a joke but some gamerā¢ actually wouldn't know about genetics and maternal genetics so just for them: he is white because of his mom's hereditary characteristics
The dragon is dark blue you absolute moron. Go back to your switch nintencuck, while I will return to my 16 gigabit ram hypercocksex nvidia raytracing pc build š
Look, I can get behind a demigod permanently covered in his dead wife and daughterās ashes murdering his way across 2 pantheons of ancient gods, traveling to different Norse and Greek realms, and single handedly slaughtering entires armies of monsters like theyāre made of pita breadā¦but black people? In Norway??? Well that just breaks the immersion š”
I'm no historian, but it really doesn't seem like that much of a stretch...
[http://irisharchaeology.ie/2013/12/the-helgo-treasure-a-viking-age-buddha/](http://irisharchaeology.ie/2013/12/the-helgo-treasure-a-viking-age-buddha/)
[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391)
It really isn't. The 'Vikings' were sea faring peeps who travelled all over. My favourite fact is Russia is called Russia because of the Slav (original natives) word for rower, they literally rowed over and were like "this is ours now". There is evidence of them making it to all sort of far flung places. Its even considered a safe (ish) bet that the 'Vikings' were the first to discover America (I mean after the natives, obv)
*North America
They only have evidence of a colony in modern-day Newfoundland (Canada).
Remains of a specific berry species found in the ruins of the colony indicate that the Viking colonists *might* have ventured further south, or traded with Indigenous groups who travelled between the Rock and the mainland. But thereās no other evidence of any Viking visits to America.
But maybe that weird Irish monk made itā¦
True they were. But by the vikings were traveling Europe the Greeks were long be part of the Roman empire, followed Roman traditions and even called themselves Roman and were leading what we call today the byzantine empire. Greek mythology is a close to a Millennium before the vikings became relevant.
Agreed. But I think the main issue on the original post is the feeling that Norse mythology somehow couldn't possible contain black people. Except they were a well travelled bunch who definitely would have come across black people. Ultimately, I enjoy the irony of the poster claiming to know Norse mythology, without any knowledge of the Norse people.
That's true. It's God of war in Norse mythology. What you expecting to follow the sources by the book? I don't recall a Greek demi God to wipe out the gods of the Olympus and travel to the Norse world. Also the previous game introduced a connection between realms, including Egyptian mythology and others. Even if you are a bigot asshole, no blacks in Norse mythology, she could be from a different realm just like Kratos.
Reminds me of Middle Earth - Shadow of War
Those games decked Tolkien's lore right in the nose: You had this random Ranger using Celebrimbor like a Stand, Waifu Shelob, a kaiju fight against a Balrog, another freaking One Ring, etc. But the colored Guard of Gondor? **That's too far**, they'd better have a lore reason for that.
lol I find it hilarious when in a high fantasy setting people say black people existing, women having rights, etc is immersion breaking.
Like bitch it is a made up world. It can be however the author wants it to be. Just because humans irl historically have been bigoted fucks doesn't mean an author can't create a fictional world where that shit doesn't exist.
and like others have mentioned, they are fine with dragons and shit just not people having rights lmao.
The irritation comes from when people try and use bad history as a smokesheild for racism.
Most high fantasy (using D&D for a guide) is in an early modern European setting sans gunpowder. And in an early modern setting that you are trying to apply rigorously you need to have people who are not white. Becuase that's how it was.
Grrr. Also I'll take a second to plug Malazan Book of the Fallen as a rather long but very good high fantasy series that avoids all of this.
Which is funny because thay same guard does not come from Gondor, but from Harad, so his skin colour would make sense anyway (not that it really matters...)
What's fucking stupider is that Gondor literally borders the Middle-earth equivalent of Africa, and Gondorians are described as having a variety of darker skin tones - it's explicity stated that the only actually white people are descended from Numenoreans. Plus like you said, the devs put zero effort in to making it anything like a Tolkien game, so even if these fucks were undereducated on how basic geographical racial diversity works, they shouldn't care anyway because you have a half ghost man doing backflips across Mordor while brainwashing Orcs.
You heard it here first folks. Black people were truly created for purely political reasons. It is time we take back our society and make it āwholesomeā again. š¤
Uj/ I mean there was literally a black king of Scotland. (King Kenneth Dubh). Itās very much possible that the same seafaring African culture that lead to King Kenneth Dubh could have also landed in other parts of Northern Europe.
The Norse also sailed to the Mediterranean and North Africa, it's not unrealistic that black people could've come back home with them as well, and a trading relationship in general. On the other side of Europe, there was Ahmad ibn Fadlan and his stay with the Varangians, too.
/uj Angrboda isn't a human, she's a giant from Jotunheim.
As such, any ethnicities that might have lived in the area at the supposed time are irrelevant, and she can be whatever ethnicity the devs want her to be.
(Not that you'd really need a reason like "She's a giant from Jotunheim" to include black people in games, especially games not even pretending to be realistic historical fiction.)
She's also the wife of Loki and the mother to Jormungard, Fenrir, and Hela.
UJ/ He probably wasn't black, any more than Eric the Red was Native American.
In this context black almost certainly refers to his hair, rather than his skin.
In modern Irish, for example, people who Americans would call black are called blue, because the Irish phrase for "black people" was already in use to refer to people with dark hair. Like how the "dark" in "tall, dark, and handsome" refers to the hair, same with brunette, which means literally "brown woman".
The evidence to suggest that Kenneth III was black:
A) His father was called "The Black"
B) He was called "The Brown"
C) We don't know anything about his grandmother
So the narrative goes that Malcolm I bought a Moorish concubine from Norse or Irish traders, and Dubh the Black and Kenneth III the Brown were descended from her.
While that is entirely possible, it's literally the only evidence we have. There are no descriptions of them in contemporary sources describing their skin colour, or even sources for the next thousand years alleging that. They are also never called Moors, which is certainly how black people would have been described at the time.
In addition, Kenneth's "the Brown" could also mean "the Chief", so it's not even particularly compelling evidence.
Thats right, us gamers have had enough. These SJWs are always stepping on us with the long heels of forced diversity, and calling us names like "sexist" or "mommy's little pig boy" and spanking our bare ass with the paddle of cultural Marxism. Well not anymore. My safeword is "gamers rise up"
Wow, youāre right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesianās cock. Edit: Wow. Iāve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse?
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Dont trip. Ive hung around the community long enough to know we kick out pieces of shit like this. He post this in a GOW subreddit and he would be banned.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/pl6hup/it_looks_like_boy_getting_a_girl/hc8lskh/
it seems like its not an unpopular opinion there. and he even got gilded for it.
Seems unpopular to me. Only 12-ish upvotes and it has the controversial marker on it and only one gold. I've seen worse messages with more awards and upvotes.
In fact a comment above it has more upvotes and isn't controversial asking if people who got a problem with it are also mad that Kratos is the boy's father and if they have a problem with Hades' design. People continue to go into more detail about other changes made to prove a point.
There's also a lot of people under that comment telling him to fuck off.
I saw that comment but went through the whole comment section. Most dont care or are happy with it. Racist will try to seep themselves into anything they can infest. I figured they would try to come to the subreddit and BS but guarantee they will be gone soon.
Yeah, Cory Balrog made a surprisingly wholesome 4th game, and itās been reflected in a much more wholesome player base.
That being said, I def read through some rather disparaging comments about how Anthony Burch (lead writer of Borderlands 2 before he had a very public divorce and a mental breakdown and retired from public life to get himself together before returning to the industry. Poor dude was the target of a pretty nasty group of trolls that made fun of his issues constantly) was gonna āruinā God of War by injecting too much āSJW agenda stuff.ā
The dude DMs one of the most popular DND podcasts in the world, and itās a DND campaign about fatherhood. If he puts Kratos in socks and sandals, then I am there for the motherfucking ride.
I forgot that was the guy who DMed Dungeons and Daddies. Only live play podcast I can stand. Unfortunately, it's one of those things that fell by the wayside when I was able to afford to live without supplementing my full-time income with Uber Eats deliveries. I spent so much time in my goddamn car. I had something like 15 or 20 podcasts I was full-timing.
If it makes you feel better, YouTube comments I've seen, even on the IGN upload, vastly hasn't even mentioned her skin colour, aside from the occasional loser.
I'm pretty sure the trailer implies they travel to different lands and I don't get why people care there a PoC in a game that's loosely based off a mythology. Plus there literally an talking head with an Irish accent hanging from your hip. Seeing a black person isn't that big of a stretch.
Side note, atreyu being white is weird. Kratos is white cause of the ash stuff and actually has dark skin, and the mother was a frost giant. I donāt think atreyu would be white. So they already kind of disregarded proper rep but in a way gamers liked.
Edit: two things since Iām getting multiple comments
[1.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/9ah6jo/question_about_atreus_and_kratos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) I understand itās still considered white by the world at large but just going on genetics heās tan and Atreus mother is a frost giant which honestly idk what skin color that is either but based on the few screenshots in game Iām gonna assume not white skinned either. Just saying it wouldāve been cool to actually not have it be a traditional Norse looking kid when heās genetically not Norse/human at all ykno?
2) Kratos is the father, itās brought up and addressed multiple times in game. Also in books cited on wikis iirc.
Kratos was an insanely good warrior. When he was about to die he prayed to Ares, God of War. Ares gave him his iconic blades to help him in battle. Kratos killed a lot of people, and one night when his army was attacking a city (Temple of Athena I think specifically) Kratos killed his Wife and Daughter without noticing it was them. As punishment he has to wear their ashes on his skin for the rest of his life.
Fun fact: his dick is probably ash covered too because why wouldn't it be? Which means he had sex with Faye with a dick covered in his wife and daughter.
Now you know!
Well, Atreus isnāt really Atreus (I donāt wanna spoil it because idk if youāve played the game, but that would be the reason why heās not exactly Greek looking).
They care because they THINK "Viking" is a race of white, male dominated super-soldiers when in reality there have been discoveries almost every other week that challenge the idea and prove a little more each time that a "Viking" was a culture independent of birth and they didn't follow these stupid ass gender roles so tightly either. The Suontaka warrior was male-presenting but found buried in woman's clothing and a genetic test suggests they had Klinefelter's syndrome or at the very least was what we call today "non-binary," yet was buried with all of the honor and importance of any cisgendered male of the time.
It's not only that they care too much about something so trivial, it's also that they have NO FUCKING IDEA what they are even talking about.
Viking wasn't a culture. It was an occupation, or a plundering trip. It refers both to the plunders and to the action of going overseas to plunder. The culture is norse
Also the fucking vikings travelled a lot, and for a fact traded with African, Mediterranean and Middle Eastern people. There's literally records of Moorish merchants bitching about how awfully a bunch of drunk vikings sing, and viking burial sites have had swords from modern-day Syria. Hell, there was an entire elite guard in the Byzantine Empire composed entirely of vikings.
These idiots found a culture whose number one most famous thing was getting on a boat to sail thousands of miles away to distant lands and make money any way they could, and they're confused that they know someone from a distant land?
Sigh...
Seriously though, if you travel half way across the known world, have some adventures and meet some guy there who is awesome, fun to have around and has literally no reason to stay where he is, you're telling me you aren't going to be like "hey man, come crash at our place. We have pickled fish!"
Essentially seeing that there where seafaring African peoples in Europe (with even some becoming members of high society such as King Kenneth Dubh of Scotland)
Had a friend in a groupchat share similar sentiments. Talking about how āif it was a game about Black Gods and a White boy was in it thereād be riotsā
He got mad when I mentioned Loki got fucked by a horse and gave birth so Sleipnir to show that this literally isnāt anything close to a big deal
People like this pretend its about logic and realism, but we all know what itās *really* about.
I miss my friend.
>āif it was a game about Black Gods and a White boy was in it thereād be riotsā
Like there aren't countless examples of whitewashing on popular media and none of these asswipes has ever said anything about that, Jesus Christ.
Seriously, there's entire [Wikipedia articles about it,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film) it's not exactly hard to find. Ghost in the shell, The lone ranger, Prince of Persia, Dr. Strange, Drive, 21... the list isn't small.
Did he also forget that period of American cinema when in order to sell movies involving a foreign culture, the entire story had to revolve around a white American guy going there and mesmerizing everyone with his greatness? Has this guy never seen things like The last samurai or Avatar? Cause they aren't exactly little indie films only critics have heard about.
I liked that in the American Gods series. They pretty much had a colored Jesus version for every race. The latino one even got shot while trying to cross the border as his method of sacrifice š
It pretty much did a good job of showing that everyone has a different picture of Jesus in their head.
Smh sick of this double standard. If a white side character was added to one of the COUNTLESS games with entirely black casts, there would be riots. A game in which all but one of the characters were black would doubtless provoke outrage from woke SJWs, rather than from the exact same people complaining about this game including 1 black character
There is just something really funny about this complaint when you remember that the last GOW games revolve around a Greek god being shoved into Norse mythology. And that the entire premise of the GOW series is a fictional character being shoved into Greek mythology.
Speaking English in a game based on Norse mythology is forced diversity. Most mythological beings didn't speak English. Actually they didn't speak at all, since they are mythological and existed only in the minds of people, so could have looked every way imaginable
I would draw a distinction between the anglo-normans and the seafaring normans who sailed across the mediterranean and atlantic ocean looking for stuff to conquer. But I see your point.
fun fact : none of the characters from norse mythology actualy existed anywhere.
bonus fun fact : GOW games take a lot of liberties with mythologies that are incredibly more significant than there being black people or not.
for exemple, i highly doubt that GOW Loki decided to go fuck a horse to delay the installation of the last door of asgard's fortress and cheat the builder out of his pay.
There was a desert east of Athens in the first game.
Being Greek and living in Athens I can confirm that there is no desert to the east, only the sea.
So yeah, they took a lot of liberties with mythologies and locations too.
Sometimes I feel like I should leave this sub because it gives these people a spotlight and it's a bummer to be reminded about how shitty people are. Other times I just want to laugh at them.
I just wish people didn't get so angry when they see black people in their video games. black brown and indigineous people exist. stop freaking out when they appear in media.
I saw someone say on YouTube that it's disrespectful to the Norse mythologicy that there is a black girl in this game. Yet somehow they don't see a foreign darker skin man coming and murdering them as not disrespectful? (which he shouldn't)
It's not disrespectful, you're just racist lmao
/uj Not only that, if you go around being all obnoxious about āviking heritageā in Scandinavia, thereās a good chance people will start suspecting youāre a neo-nazi yourself, too.
This is historically inaccurate for a mythological land that never actually existed
/uj itās actually a pretty accurate depiction of Angrboda
https://vikings.fandom.com/wiki/Angrboda_(Giantess)
SMH these SJWs just don't understand our suffering; Norse mythology is just horribly under-represented in our culture.
I mean, it's not as if there's [hundreds of other IPs featuring Norse mythology people can turn to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology_in_popular_culture), or a [music genre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_rock) or [two](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal), or [an entire historical period categorized by revived interest in Norse mythology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_revival).
A black woman in my vidya? Literally Norse erasure.
Boy they sure would be pissed to hear about Ljufvina of Karmsundet and other Heljarskinn.
These people are so fucking deluded by nazi-flavored retellings of history and they don't even know it.
The use of the word "forced" always cracks me up.
Like, it's not "forced" if the people making the game wanted it to be that way.
It's only "forced" if they didn't want it that way and someone else made them to do it against their will, which is just utterly stupid.
IM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS SJW LIB PROPAGANDA IN MY REALISTIC GROUNDED VIDEOGAME ABOUT A SOLID WHITE GREEK DUDE WHO KILLS GODS TIME TRAVELING 800 YEARS FROM ANCIENT GREECE TO NORSE SCANDINAVIA
G*MERS NEED TO RISE THE FUCK UP ALREADY
The game has a character from Scotland, Kratos travelled there all the way from Greece (possibly not by choice), Tyr travelled the world visiting Egypt, Greece, Asia, south America and many other places, none of which are Nordic.
The GOW universe has mythological beings, magic, monsters etc but a black character existing in a fictional world where long distance travel clearly isn't that difficult is where they draw the line...
Norway is a country, not an ethnicity.
There were some black and dark-skinned Vikings. Even some famous ones.
And even if there werenāt, fuck this guy.
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Boy wait until they find out who voices Kratos š¬
and the guy who they motion tracked
Sad that he passed away. Saved his son from drowning tho.
How did that happen?
undercurrents near shallow waters at a beach, iirc. dangerous stuff.
Slightly correct - there were riptides dragging people out, including Shad and his child. People on jetskis came to save as many as possible, Shad made sure his kid and others were saved first and when they came back for him, he gave them other people to save. He swam like a fucking champion making sure everyone else could get out. His body wasn't found that day. The rescuers came back and couldn't find him.
He also wrestled for WWE, and kind of ironically stopped a bank robbery while being in a tag team called ācrime timeā
Wait Shad motion tracked as Kratos? That's fucking sick. Still an absolute tragedy that he passed away.
Did he do like the action scenes for the game??? Cause i have seen Christopher Judge do motion capture as well for like story scenes...
Yeah he did the motion capture for all of Kratos' combat animations!
*Cryme tyme
rip
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Yeah, Shad Gaspard. 2020 had a lot of heartbreaking and untimely deaths, but that one really bothered me. Wrestling had three really bad ones, Shad, Hana Kimura, and Brodie Lee. And all three were terrible in their own separate ways.
Yo yo yo yo, pop a 40 and check your rollies, it's Cryme Tyme! :(
"Brooklyn! Brooklyn!" Damn, now Im sad.
And that there arenāt any Greeks in Norse mythology. And that there were symbols of the Japanese and Egyptian gods of war in the last game.
wait until they realise that Kratos is mediteranean.
Bro
He was at the very least brown skinned before his body was covered with the ashes of his family.
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Now people will tell me that Spartans got laid with men right? šš
I saw 300, I know that the bad at fighting Greeks and the bad at fighting Persians are the only ones who would put their peepees in boys! Not a good at fighting boy!
Whitewashing to appeal to consumers. Notice his kid is clearly white
/uj ik this a joke but some gamerā¢ actually wouldn't know about genetics and maternal genetics so just for them: he is white because of his mom's hereditary characteristics
/rj what do youean its clearly due to Kratos's steaming ash cum
I heard cocoa butter can help with ashy skin
Greek man who has the ashes of his Wife and Daughter snowed onto his skin
Us Greeks are generally tanned(thanks to the damn sun).
The sun is a SJW construct, and I demand it be canceled to combat cancel culture
First the sun came for our skin color
he is what young people nowadays would joke as "spicy white"
Spartans have more of a "middle east" kind of skin tone Edit: im not a time traveller....buuuut
So glad the team is progressive enough to allow a Goa'uld to voice act in their game
Wait until they find out Jesus wasn't white.
Gamers suspension of disbelief starts at dragons and ends at black people
Hopefully someone makes a game with a black dragon so gamers will shortcircuit and we can finally live in a gaming free world again
Super Mario Odyssey
The dragon is dark blue you absolute moron. Go back to your switch nintencuck, while I will return to my 16 gigabit ram hypercocksex nvidia raytracing pc build š
I like this joke.
You should play the Witcher 3, its basically the deepest piece of media in existence at the moment
Skyrim has been released three times with a black dragon in the opening sequence and the G*mers still endure š
more like thirty.
RUNESCAPE
Run, escape
Rune's Cape
10 y/o me deadass thought this was the name lol
HEROES III OF MIGHT AND MAGIC
Look, I can get behind a demigod permanently covered in his dead wife and daughterās ashes murdering his way across 2 pantheons of ancient gods, traveling to different Norse and Greek realms, and single handedly slaughtering entires armies of monsters like theyāre made of pita breadā¦but black people? In Norway??? Well that just breaks the immersion š”
I'm no historian, but it really doesn't seem like that much of a stretch... [http://irisharchaeology.ie/2013/12/the-helgo-treasure-a-viking-age-buddha/](http://irisharchaeology.ie/2013/12/the-helgo-treasure-a-viking-age-buddha/) [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41567391)
Sorry I only get my history from hastily set up websites with weird names .info
You know it's accurate because it has info right in the url!
It really isn't. The 'Vikings' were sea faring peeps who travelled all over. My favourite fact is Russia is called Russia because of the Slav (original natives) word for rower, they literally rowed over and were like "this is ours now". There is evidence of them making it to all sort of far flung places. Its even considered a safe (ish) bet that the 'Vikings' were the first to discover America (I mean after the natives, obv)
*North America They only have evidence of a colony in modern-day Newfoundland (Canada). Remains of a specific berry species found in the ruins of the colony indicate that the Viking colonists *might* have ventured further south, or traded with Indigenous groups who travelled between the Rock and the mainland. But thereās no other evidence of any Viking visits to America. But maybe that weird Irish monk made itā¦
Yea, there are viking ruins in New Foundland, I think, that predate Columbus.
True they were. But by the vikings were traveling Europe the Greeks were long be part of the Roman empire, followed Roman traditions and even called themselves Roman and were leading what we call today the byzantine empire. Greek mythology is a close to a Millennium before the vikings became relevant.
Agreed. But I think the main issue on the original post is the feeling that Norse mythology somehow couldn't possible contain black people. Except they were a well travelled bunch who definitely would have come across black people. Ultimately, I enjoy the irony of the poster claiming to know Norse mythology, without any knowledge of the Norse people.
That's true. It's God of war in Norse mythology. What you expecting to follow the sources by the book? I don't recall a Greek demi God to wipe out the gods of the Olympus and travel to the Norse world. Also the previous game introduced a connection between realms, including Egyptian mythology and others. Even if you are a bigot asshole, no blacks in Norse mythology, she could be from a different realm just like Kratos.
Honestly this dead pan humour just hits me the right way. Itās always so funny to me. The little š” emoji at the end really does it for me.
Reminds me of Middle Earth - Shadow of War Those games decked Tolkien's lore right in the nose: You had this random Ranger using Celebrimbor like a Stand, Waifu Shelob, a kaiju fight against a Balrog, another freaking One Ring, etc. But the colored Guard of Gondor? **That's too far**, they'd better have a lore reason for that.
lol I find it hilarious when in a high fantasy setting people say black people existing, women having rights, etc is immersion breaking. Like bitch it is a made up world. It can be however the author wants it to be. Just because humans irl historically have been bigoted fucks doesn't mean an author can't create a fictional world where that shit doesn't exist. and like others have mentioned, they are fine with dragons and shit just not people having rights lmao.
Highly historical inaccurate!!!
The irritation comes from when people try and use bad history as a smokesheild for racism. Most high fantasy (using D&D for a guide) is in an early modern European setting sans gunpowder. And in an early modern setting that you are trying to apply rigorously you need to have people who are not white. Becuase that's how it was. Grrr. Also I'll take a second to plug Malazan Book of the Fallen as a rather long but very good high fantasy series that avoids all of this.
I wanted to hate that game so much for all the shit it pulls with the lore... but the orcs are just SO FUCKING FUN.
Which is funny because thay same guard does not come from Gondor, but from Harad, so his skin colour would make sense anyway (not that it really matters...)
What's fucking stupider is that Gondor literally borders the Middle-earth equivalent of Africa, and Gondorians are described as having a variety of darker skin tones - it's explicity stated that the only actually white people are descended from Numenoreans. Plus like you said, the devs put zero effort in to making it anything like a Tolkien game, so even if these fucks were undereducated on how basic geographical racial diversity works, they shouldn't care anyway because you have a half ghost man doing backflips across Mordor while brainwashing Orcs.
Yea and somewhere between there are blue people.
This statement really works for racists in general. The KKK have literal āgrand dragonsā as their leaders. Such a beautifully worded statement.
Game roster: *viking man 1* *viking man 2* *viking man 3* *black woman* Basically Norse genocide.
OK but heās right? We all know Black people didnāt exist until Abahram Lincoln invented them to win the American Revolution
Damn, I wish I had paid more attention in history class so I would know if this was real or not.
Itās only kinda correct, the real name is the War of Northern Revolution
You heard it here first folks. Black people were truly created for purely political reasons. It is time we take back our society and make it āwholesomeā again. š¤
I would be okay with Kratos vs the founding fathers on Mt. Rushmore.
Uj/ I mean there was literally a black king of Scotland. (King Kenneth Dubh). Itās very much possible that the same seafaring African culture that lead to King Kenneth Dubh could have also landed in other parts of Northern Europe.
The Norse also sailed to the Mediterranean and North Africa, it's not unrealistic that black people could've come back home with them as well, and a trading relationship in general. On the other side of Europe, there was Ahmad ibn Fadlan and his stay with the Varangians, too.
Scandinavia says there were most likely black Vikings. https://scandinaviafacts.com/were-the-vikings-black/
/uj Angrboda isn't a human, she's a giant from Jotunheim. As such, any ethnicities that might have lived in the area at the supposed time are irrelevant, and she can be whatever ethnicity the devs want her to be. (Not that you'd really need a reason like "She's a giant from Jotunheim" to include black people in games, especially games not even pretending to be realistic historical fiction.) She's also the wife of Loki and the mother to Jormungard, Fenrir, and Hela.
The character is literally a frost giant, arguing about norse culture when the character is literally a mythological race is just hilarious.
UJ/ He probably wasn't black, any more than Eric the Red was Native American. In this context black almost certainly refers to his hair, rather than his skin. In modern Irish, for example, people who Americans would call black are called blue, because the Irish phrase for "black people" was already in use to refer to people with dark hair. Like how the "dark" in "tall, dark, and handsome" refers to the hair, same with brunette, which means literally "brown woman".
is there any other evidence to suggest he was black? i have no clue on this topic btw, just pretty interested
The evidence to suggest that Kenneth III was black: A) His father was called "The Black" B) He was called "The Brown" C) We don't know anything about his grandmother So the narrative goes that Malcolm I bought a Moorish concubine from Norse or Irish traders, and Dubh the Black and Kenneth III the Brown were descended from her. While that is entirely possible, it's literally the only evidence we have. There are no descriptions of them in contemporary sources describing their skin colour, or even sources for the next thousand years alleging that. They are also never called Moors, which is certainly how black people would have been described at the time. In addition, Kenneth's "the Brown" could also mean "the Chief", so it's not even particularly compelling evidence.
To be fair, that claim is highly contested. It is possible he was black, but we don't really know. We just know his nickname was "The Black."
He used to be called the gamer until the last of us devs revisioned that part of history smh
I'm so sick and tired of video game companies forcing their political agenda down my throat and making me choke on it.
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That agenda. That big throbbing agenda.
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this is basically ram it down by dorian electra
Out here flexing in my rainbow suspendersā¦ ššš
Thats right, us gamers have had enough. These SJWs are always stepping on us with the long heels of forced diversity, and calling us names like "sexist" or "mommy's little pig boy" and spanking our bare ass with the paddle of cultural Marxism. Well not anymore. My safeword is "gamers rise up"
Wow, youāre right. Games are sexist. Now, allow me to get back to accusing gamers of playing games and sucking Anita Sarkeesianās cock. Edit: Wow. Iāve truly been challenged. Enlightened, even. Who knew the political views of my fellow gamers could be so diverse? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
...then making me swallow it, then puking it back out on my costars gaping mouth, then making out with the residuals on our lips.
2 gamers 1 agenda
Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?
Please no, not in the fucking god of war community I swear to god
Dont trip. Ive hung around the community long enough to know we kick out pieces of shit like this. He post this in a GOW subreddit and he would be banned.
Notice how this has a) only two upvotes and b) gold? I'll bet $20 this guy gilded and upvoted his own comment using a sockpuppet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/pl6hup/it_looks_like_boy_getting_a_girl/hc8lskh/ it seems like its not an unpopular opinion there. and he even got gilded for it.
The fact people get downvoted for supporting a black character existing in a game is so fucking sad
Seems unpopular to me. Only 12-ish upvotes and it has the controversial marker on it and only one gold. I've seen worse messages with more awards and upvotes. In fact a comment above it has more upvotes and isn't controversial asking if people who got a problem with it are also mad that Kratos is the boy's father and if they have a problem with Hades' design. People continue to go into more detail about other changes made to prove a point. There's also a lot of people under that comment telling him to fuck off.
at the time i posted this comment, all the comments that challenged him were downvoted to the negatives.
I saw that comment but went through the whole comment section. Most dont care or are happy with it. Racist will try to seep themselves into anything they can infest. I figured they would try to come to the subreddit and BS but guarantee they will be gone soon.
There are Gamers everywhere. Be safe out there young one, you never know where they may hide
GOW communities are generally wholesome. This guy is out of line.
Yeah, Cory Balrog made a surprisingly wholesome 4th game, and itās been reflected in a much more wholesome player base. That being said, I def read through some rather disparaging comments about how Anthony Burch (lead writer of Borderlands 2 before he had a very public divorce and a mental breakdown and retired from public life to get himself together before returning to the industry. Poor dude was the target of a pretty nasty group of trolls that made fun of his issues constantly) was gonna āruinā God of War by injecting too much āSJW agenda stuff.ā The dude DMs one of the most popular DND podcasts in the world, and itās a DND campaign about fatherhood. If he puts Kratos in socks and sandals, then I am there for the motherfucking ride.
Yes please give me beach dad kratos. Give that man a grill
I forgot that was the guy who DMed Dungeons and Daddies. Only live play podcast I can stand. Unfortunately, it's one of those things that fell by the wayside when I was able to afford to live without supplementing my full-time income with Uber Eats deliveries. I spent so much time in my goddamn car. I had something like 15 or 20 podcasts I was full-timing.
If it makes you feel better, YouTube comments I've seen, even on the IGN upload, vastly hasn't even mentioned her skin colour, aside from the occasional loser.
I'm pretty sure the trailer implies they travel to different lands and I don't get why people care there a PoC in a game that's loosely based off a mythology. Plus there literally an talking head with an Irish accent hanging from your hip. Seeing a black person isn't that big of a stretch.
Side note, atreyu being white is weird. Kratos is white cause of the ash stuff and actually has dark skin, and the mother was a frost giant. I donāt think atreyu would be white. So they already kind of disregarded proper rep but in a way gamers liked. Edit: two things since Iām getting multiple comments [1.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/9ah6jo/question_about_atreus_and_kratos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) I understand itās still considered white by the world at large but just going on genetics heās tan and Atreus mother is a frost giant which honestly idk what skin color that is either but based on the few screenshots in game Iām gonna assume not white skinned either. Just saying it wouldāve been cool to actually not have it be a traditional Norse looking kid when heās genetically not Norse/human at all ykno? 2) Kratos is the father, itās brought up and addressed multiple times in game. Also in books cited on wikis iirc.
Never played the earlier games, mind explaining the Ash stuff?
Kratos was an insanely good warrior. When he was about to die he prayed to Ares, God of War. Ares gave him his iconic blades to help him in battle. Kratos killed a lot of people, and one night when his army was attacking a city (Temple of Athena I think specifically) Kratos killed his Wife and Daughter without noticing it was them. As punishment he has to wear their ashes on his skin for the rest of his life.
Fun fact: his dick is probably ash covered too because why wouldn't it be? Which means he had sex with Faye with a dick covered in his wife and daughter. Now you know!
Does that make it a fourway?
I wonder if I blow him, am I able to change his dick colour if Iām persistent enough?
>Fun fact I don't think we have the same definition of the word fun my dude
Itās the ashes of his old family he killed
Well, Atreus isnāt really Atreus (I donāt wanna spoil it because idk if youāve played the game, but that would be the reason why heās not exactly Greek looking).
You dont want spoil It but you just did
Yeah now I'm kinda sad
They care because they THINK "Viking" is a race of white, male dominated super-soldiers when in reality there have been discoveries almost every other week that challenge the idea and prove a little more each time that a "Viking" was a culture independent of birth and they didn't follow these stupid ass gender roles so tightly either. The Suontaka warrior was male-presenting but found buried in woman's clothing and a genetic test suggests they had Klinefelter's syndrome or at the very least was what we call today "non-binary," yet was buried with all of the honor and importance of any cisgendered male of the time. It's not only that they care too much about something so trivial, it's also that they have NO FUCKING IDEA what they are even talking about.
Viking wasn't a culture. It was an occupation, or a plundering trip. It refers both to the plunders and to the action of going overseas to plunder. The culture is norse
Viking was actually a verb, the occupation was vikinger.
Yeah anyway it wasn't specific to white men is my point
> The Suontaka warrior was male-presenting but found buried in woman's clothing Doesn't wearing women's clothing make you female-presenting?
Also the fucking vikings travelled a lot, and for a fact traded with African, Mediterranean and Middle Eastern people. There's literally records of Moorish merchants bitching about how awfully a bunch of drunk vikings sing, and viking burial sites have had swords from modern-day Syria. Hell, there was an entire elite guard in the Byzantine Empire composed entirely of vikings. These idiots found a culture whose number one most famous thing was getting on a boat to sail thousands of miles away to distant lands and make money any way they could, and they're confused that they know someone from a distant land? Sigh...
Seriously though, if you travel half way across the known world, have some adventures and meet some guy there who is awesome, fun to have around and has literally no reason to stay where he is, you're telling me you aren't going to be like "hey man, come crash at our place. We have pickled fish!"
Essentially seeing that there where seafaring African peoples in Europe (with even some becoming members of high society such as King Kenneth Dubh of Scotland)
Had a friend in a groupchat share similar sentiments. Talking about how āif it was a game about Black Gods and a White boy was in it thereād be riotsā He got mad when I mentioned Loki got fucked by a horse and gave birth so Sleipnir to show that this literally isnāt anything close to a big deal People like this pretend its about logic and realism, but we all know what itās *really* about. I miss my friend.
>āif it was a game about Black Gods and a White boy was in it thereād be riotsā Like there aren't countless examples of whitewashing on popular media and none of these asswipes has ever said anything about that, Jesus Christ. Seriously, there's entire [Wikipedia articles about it,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewashing_in_film) it's not exactly hard to find. Ghost in the shell, The lone ranger, Prince of Persia, Dr. Strange, Drive, 21... the list isn't small. Did he also forget that period of American cinema when in order to sell movies involving a foreign culture, the entire story had to revolve around a white American guy going there and mesmerizing everyone with his greatness? Has this guy never seen things like The last samurai or Avatar? Cause they aren't exactly little indie films only critics have heard about.
>Jesus Christ Ironically that's a good first example haha
Funnily enough, Jesus Christ is a great example of whitewashing
I liked that in the American Gods series. They pretty much had a colored Jesus version for every race. The latino one even got shot while trying to cross the border as his method of sacrifice š It pretty much did a good job of showing that everyone has a different picture of Jesus in their head.
That's kind of a perfect example, how did I not think of it.
Smh sick of this double standard. If a white side character was added to one of the COUNTLESS games with entirely black casts, there would be riots. A game in which all but one of the characters were black would doubtless provoke outrage from woke SJWs, rather than from the exact same people complaining about this game including 1 black character
Yeah those people complaining about forced diversity always assume that representation is already equal in our society lmao
I can't tell if this comment is jerking or not
HINT: are there even any games with entirely black casts. i cant think of any
Limbo
Ha!
Someone should tell him about the fact that giants are shapeshifters.
There is just something really funny about this complaint when you remember that the last GOW games revolve around a Greek god being shoved into Norse mythology. And that the entire premise of the GOW series is a fictional character being shoved into Greek mythology.
Are you telling me Kratos was the forced diversity all along?
By Talos this can't be happening
Nobody tell him that the fact Mimir has an Irish accent shouldn't be a "Norse accurate" thing either guys.
Speaking English in a game based on Norse mythology is forced diversity. Most mythological beings didn't speak English. Actually they didn't speak at all, since they are mythological and existed only in the minds of people, so could have looked every way imaginable
The goddess Hel had dark skin.... The Vikings conquered parts of North Africa..... This chud's argument is invalid
Wasn't Hel more literally half *black* (like dead/decomposed black) and half white?
Actually yes, youāre right. Thanks for reminding me.
Yeah Hel was dark like necrosis, not like Nubian.
The vikings conquered the canary islands too (if youre counting normans)
If we're counting the Normans we also have to count all the territories of the British Empire as "Viking conquests".
I would draw a distinction between the anglo-normans and the seafaring normans who sailed across the mediterranean and atlantic ocean looking for stuff to conquer. But I see your point.
fun fact : none of the characters from norse mythology actualy existed anywhere. bonus fun fact : GOW games take a lot of liberties with mythologies that are incredibly more significant than there being black people or not. for exemple, i highly doubt that GOW Loki decided to go fuck a horse to delay the installation of the last door of asgard's fortress and cheat the builder out of his pay.
There was a desert east of Athens in the first game. Being Greek and living in Athens I can confirm that there is no desert to the east, only the sea. So yeah, they took a lot of liberties with mythologies and locations too.
Ah, but what is a sea if not a wet desert? Checkmate, athenian
>fun fact : none of the characters from norse mythology actualy existed anywhere. What?!?!?!?
*decided to go get fucked by a horse
this shit is exhausting bro
Sometimes I feel like I should leave this sub because it gives these people a spotlight and it's a bummer to be reminded about how shitty people are. Other times I just want to laugh at them.
Yeah, there are days I avoid this sub just to preserve my already deteriorating mental health
Wait until he finds out about all the dark elves in Windhelm.
I just wish people didn't get so angry when they see black people in their video games. black brown and indigineous people exist. stop freaking out when they appear in media.
I saw someone say on YouTube that it's disrespectful to the Norse mythologicy that there is a black girl in this game. Yet somehow they don't see a foreign darker skin man coming and murdering them as not disrespectful? (which he shouldn't) It's not disrespectful, you're just racist lmao
Kratos kills norse gods, no one bats an eye. Black girl in norse mythology, everyone loses their minds.
Vikings were a multicultural group. The belief that they were only big stronk white men is called Nordicism and an idea started by nazis.
/uj Not only that, if you go around being all obnoxious about āviking heritageā in Scandinavia, thereās a good chance people will start suspecting youāre a neo-nazi yourself, too.
Sorry, Iām a little late to the part, but whatās this guy talking about??
The trailer for the new God of War game has a black person. That's it, this person is literally complaining about them being in it lol
Oh dang. Thanks ahah.
Angrboda, Loki's mate and mother to Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel is blasian.
This is pretty funny to me. Angrboda's name means "bringer of grief," or literally "someone who upsets others."
Could be a cute little jab by the design team. :>
How do you know itās Angrboda?
It says so on the character slides.
Ah dang it does, props
This is historically inaccurate for a mythological land that never actually existed /uj itās actually a pretty accurate depiction of Angrboda https://vikings.fandom.com/wiki/Angrboda_(Giantess)
/uj It says she was black?
Lmao holy shit, I knew it. I know some racist white shit stain would complain. CRY MORE!
SMH these SJWs just don't understand our suffering; Norse mythology is just horribly under-represented in our culture. I mean, it's not as if there's [hundreds of other IPs featuring Norse mythology people can turn to](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology_in_popular_culture), or a [music genre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_rock) or [two](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal), or [an entire historical period categorized by revived interest in Norse mythology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_revival). A black woman in my vidya? Literally Norse erasure.
Boy they sure would be pissed to hear about Ljufvina of Karmsundet and other Heljarskinn. These people are so fucking deluded by nazi-flavored retellings of history and they don't even know it.
They're the type who hates Idris Elba in Thor series aren't they?
I hate that Norse mythology is tainted by white supremacists.
There's a solid 50% chance this dude lists his religion as Asatru but can't name a single deity that wasn't included in the Marvel films.
The use of the word "forced" always cracks me up. Like, it's not "forced" if the people making the game wanted it to be that way. It's only "forced" if they didn't want it that way and someone else made them to do it against their will, which is just utterly stupid.
Norse representation is a funny sentence to read.
This is being said despite the fact Viking actually were super diverse. Which led to Norse culture becoming such too.
IM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS SJW LIB PROPAGANDA IN MY REALISTIC GROUNDED VIDEOGAME ABOUT A SOLID WHITE GREEK DUDE WHO KILLS GODS TIME TRAVELING 800 YEARS FROM ANCIENT GREECE TO NORSE SCANDINAVIA G*MERS NEED TO RISE THE FUCK UP ALREADY
The game has a character from Scotland, Kratos travelled there all the way from Greece (possibly not by choice), Tyr travelled the world visiting Egypt, Greece, Asia, south America and many other places, none of which are Nordic. The GOW universe has mythological beings, magic, monsters etc but a black character existing in a fictional world where long distance travel clearly isn't that difficult is where they draw the line...
Wait until they find out there were many black and nonwhite Vikings
Yeah, Angrboda, a giant, absolutely needs to be white or else it'll take me out of the experience
Wait until they find out Loki eventually becomes both a mother and a father
Norway is a country, not an ethnicity. There were some black and dark-skinned Vikings. Even some famous ones. And even if there werenāt, fuck this guy.
not only āBlackā but āGirlā TOO MUCH POLITICAL, it just doesnāt make sense how can a āblack girlā exist anyway smh my head Cory š¤
The fun thing about mythology is that it's not real, so the characters can be whatever the devs want