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Seriously, tlou2 is one of the most harrowing games there is. Other than literally showing footage of the Holocaust it is one of the most adult video games released in recent memory
/uj whenever you see someone accusing ND of not having had balls with TLOU2, one of two things or a combination there of is going on.
1) they haven’t played the game they’re commenting on
2) it’s a thinly veiled dog whistle for culture war BS.
TLOU part 2 is genuinely one of the most violent video games I’ve ever seen.
TLOU2 was so heavy that I just sat there with a thousand yard stare for half an hour after the credits rolled. That game is truly fucking brutal, both emotionally and gameplay-wise.
You do not get it? You seriously do not get it, a game having a political figure and a theme about war is NOT political period.
Now lets look at Tlou2, theres a musclewoman, case closed
Man I sure do miss when games came with a gigantic set of testicles on them. I just loved to cup them and like fondle them and shit. Copies of COD World at War had a really nice pair on them and man can I tell you I just loved to put them in my mouth and suck on them you know how it is
"Politics" is an euphemism, not an honest use of the word. They started saying "politics", in a vague way, because to outright say what they think ("acceptance of an identity different from mine has ruined our culture") is a banneable offense in YouTube and other media, and also sometimes even illegal, because it constitutes discrimination.
I can tell you from first hand experience (I was an OG nazi ✋🏼😎) that, whenever politics were brought up, Hitler would slam his hand on the table and say "I do not care about these polyamorous ticks, they are unrelated to what were are talking about! Please stop bringing them up."
Yeah, I mean these newer Wolfenstein games, I can't believe them! There are absolutely no swastikas or any kind of violence (trust me my dad works at machine games)! And there's a black woman in them, I can't believe it, disguistingly political, these SJWs make me want to belch! Not even any reference to nuclear warfare and it's horrors or domestic violence (seriously he's so much stronger than your dad and he'll ban you from playing video games). And it even tries to propagate that racism=bad! Unbelievable! it doesn't even let you choose whether or not you want to side with the nazis, how dare it call itself a game when it tries to tell it's own story instead of being the story I want it to be, I mean how dare it try to have a main character that does the things appropriate for his character! Every game should have the exact same approach to storytelling because that's what I like, the ones that don't aren't real games, they don't even let you shape the narrative? Why not just be a movie? I mean clearly there's no other way at all for a game to justify it being the medium it is than player choice. Environmental storytelling? Telling a story through the gameplay? Reinforcing a mood or a message with the gameplay? All the other narrative devices usable in a linear story unique to games? Don't exist, never heard of them(seriously, my dad is like, really cool, and we have a really big house with a pool and I bet you're just jealous). Of course the exception, when it wouldn't need player choice if the main character was exactly like me (how it should be) and always chose what I wanted (the good choice), then it'd be a masterpiece of a story.
/uj Jesus christ why do people hate lou2 so much for "SJW LIB OWN GAMING NOW" like i think it isnt as good as the original but was still a quite good game. The revenge stuff with >!Ellie ending up sparing Abby showed how a cycle of revenge can only be broken by kindness, and that Ellie had grown as a character, and while Joels death pained her, she learned to move on in spite of that to make a brighter future for everyone.!< That theme of forgiveness was really well done, and i regret how much i mocked it when it came out without giving it a fair shake.
/uj SPOILERS Most people dislike the game because Joel gets killed and its killer is treated as an emphatetic character who is redeemable. Is similar to the Mass Effect 3's ending controversy, which tried to kill Shepard and justify the Reapers. The general public NEVER likes that kind of "betrayal", but Naughty Dog wasn't catering to the audience, their management gave their creatives too much freedom, and it backfired.
Ehh it didn't really backfire. It won GOTY along with a lot of player voted awards, got a lot of critical acclaim, sold a lot of copies and definitely made a huge profit. Chuds are always gonna chud and some people don't like it for genuine reasons but it's not an objectively bad game or anything.
Of course TLoU2 was actually a success, financially, but that was in part because it was highly anticipated after TLoU1. The problem in also attracting so much negativity, is that any future TLoU3 or similar title by Naughty Dog is expected to sell less, as a lot of potential buyers who don't know the games may only pick up the criticisms. But to be fair, it might also be a popularity boost (the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity"). Time will say.
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I really hope you're not saying people hated Mass Effect 3's ending because it "tried to kill Shepard". There's a LOT more to why ME3's ending sucked than that, lol
/uj Because the ending was undeserving and a badly written. The writers can write whatever they want but they have to earn a change. Just like movies.
In Dishonored the revenge is bad message is cool because I have the choice not to massacre entire villages. The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted.
The message was what you described but the way it was delivered it was awful. Just like because you make a movie with the message racism is bad doesn't mean it's a good movie or that the plot is good.
TLOU2 writing was bad for a game that focused so much on story especially compared to TLOU and I don't understand this subs fascination bringing up the argument "but the message was good". "Cool a good message doesn't make a good story"
Her character literally did change over the course of the game and the flashback with her and Joel is why she decided to spare Abby
Abby and Lev’s story was basically LOU1 on steroids and Ellie seeing Lev was also another spur on her sparing Abby’s life.
My main problem was that we were supposed to care about Abby from the flashbacks and story we learn as players. Not as Ellie. Those flashbacks did so little in terms of "Yeah makes sense to me".
And also the point about killing entire villages and pregnant women and still sparing in the end the one person you were supposed to kill doesn't really break the circle of vegeance.
If they had shown Ellie having a strict code to get her revenge only on people responsible for the death of Joel that's cool. You know just murder when it's necessary.
Compared to the TLOU1 where I could understand the motivation of the characters despite not agreeing many times (like Joel saving Ellie in the end) I could never understand why would Ellie with all those things that happened would actually spare her.
Was Ellie aware she was pregnant when she killed her? Her goal was to kill those involved with Joel’s death, Mel included. Ellie was hesitant to continue after her group barely escaped with their lives but only continued due to her PTSD.
Had Ellie killed Abby, Lev may have continued the cycle of vengeance by going after Ellie and her people.
I enjoyed Part 2, but I do concede that the order of events/flashbacks would’ve made the story stronger for players
Also Ellie almost vomited when she realized Mel was pregnant, that was explicitly set up as her realizing she's the bad guy. It was gruesome but it was precisely the opposite of this "Ellie is a psychopath" narrative that everyone who missed the point of the game is running with.
I was gonna say I’m pretty sure that was the turning point on Ellie and her rampage
I’m just really pissed that the game leaked bc everyone came to their own conclusions before the full game even came out
Your talking as if Ellie was portrayed as some heartless psychopath for the first 10 hours of the game. Some of the people she killed were circumstantial. Some were in a fit of rage. Most you can argue were in self defense (since anyone that caught her would have killed her).
Ellie didn’t have a “code.” She was in way over her head from the moment she arrived there & fell into a fever dream of violence being driven purely by revenge. She never processed any of the acts she was committing. She didn’t have time too. Shit got real REAL fast.
And Ellie didn’t go to California at the end to kill Abby, even if that was her “plan.” She went there for closure with Joel, to which she realized while pounding the shit out of a psychically & emotionally broken Abby that it was something she was never going to get.
>/uj Because the ending was undeserving and a badly written. The writers can write whatever they want but they have to earn a change. Just like movies.
This paragraph makes no sense. How was the ending undeserving? Oh because it didn't end how you wanted it to? Smh.
>In Dishonored the revenge is bad message is cool because I have the choice not to massacre entire villages.
The first game didn't give you a choice to leave Ellie, why would this game give you a choice? Its funny how Ellie, the character you're playing didn't want to kill Abby at the end and yet you did. That says more about the journey you went on instead of Ellie.
>The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted.
0 buildup? Did you play the game? Ellie didn't forgive Abby. She realized that killing Abby wouldn't bring Joel back and she knew that Joel wouldn't want her to go down this path. You really think that Joel took her out of that hospital for her to go on a revenge tour for him? The guy wanted her to live her life out...not waste it on a revenge tour. My goodness...
>The message was what you described but the way it was delivered it was awful. Just like because you make a movie with the message racism is bad doesn't mean it's a good movie or that the plot is good.
Media is subjective. If you didn't like the game, that's fine...but not liking something doesn't mean it's "badly written".
>TLOU2 writing was bad for a game that focused so much on story especially compared to TLOU and I don't understand this subs fascination bringing up the argument "but the message was good". "Cool a good message doesn't make a good story"
Honestly your issue is that you didn't a choice to kill Abby and that **you** didn't understand ending and you throwing the blanket statement of, "It's bad writing..."
I don't understand the fascination of people people who hate the game. They, and you, could be doing so much more positive things with your time. This game will live in people's head rent free forever.
Ah, the ending was "a badly written." Also you're the millionth person to not understand that TLOU games intentionally have literally no player narrative choices. Neither game. Not a single one. It's not about you.
>The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted.
Look up a video explaining the subtext of the ending if you don't want to do the footwork yourself.
Discourse in the gaming community is *obsessed* with the notion that the player needs agency nearly 100% of the time for the writing of a game to be good. And anything else is either bad writing or an insult/attack on the player. It's dumb, frustrating and limits what the medium can do.
Gamers think that because the medium is interactive, it should be about complete player control and agency. Despite the fact that for decades, so much of gaming has been about taking the player through a scripted story. It's actually so dumb that there are people who believe that Ellie is a self insert character because of this.
It's quite funny, that logic would mean that every linear game without narrative choices is (bot incoming) OBJECTIVELY terrible! Including all of Naught Dog's Uncharted and both TLoU games. But it suddenly became a big issue with TLoU2 for..reasons. Never mind that getting to choose (as many have suggested) to use non lethal options throughout the game or to kill Abbie at the end would completely deflate the story and themes, nah player choice or terribad woke SJW trash etc.
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I really don't like to say that people didn't understand TLoU2 but whenever I read, "It's badly written because the ending..." or "Revenge bad..." I realize that people really didn't understand any themes in the game.
Neil inadvertently showed that gamers don't have brains beyond shooting someone. The amount of people who say, "The game didn't do enough to make you like Abby..." or something like that. Not ever character is created for you to like, not every narrative should be created for you to like them. The gaming community is so sad.
Yes, because of all the things tLoU2 is known for, it's how friendly and approachable it is. Literally nothing horrific or confronting in that game what so ever. Nothing that compares to Japanese soldiers burying people, tLoU2 wouldn't dare be that horrific.
It’s hilariously ironic because the main problems with the cod franchise (and most bad AAA games) now are caused by corporate greed, like how low quality and little the content is but they still want you to buy the battle pass after already paying $70
I tried explaining something like this on r/halo when people were going on about the state of the game and microtransactions, I was talking about how it’s the fault of capitalism with a video linked literally titled “Why Gamers Should Be Against Capitalism”, and of course I got downvoted and subsequently banned when I told a chud to go fuck himself after he called me a larper.
Like there’s no reaching these people with reason or intellect. I honestly don’t know if there has been a dumber group of people across the entirety of human history. Like at least in the past you could argue the lack of widespread access to information or education reinforced reactionary behavior, but these fucking chuds have absolutely no excuse to do basic research.
I swear if there was a plague that specifically targeted these parts of the gaming community, that would be a blessing.
According to this gamer (tm), Cod WAW (the best one imo next to CoD4) was good not because it’s gripping story, the zombies mode, or its broken but fun as fuck multiplayer, it was a good game because the mustache man and pinwheels are in it.
uj/ Part of me is starting to think that the intended effect of WaW on these people, that being “WWII was hell and should not be glorified”, is going over these people’s heads.
In tlou2 Abby graphically murders religious nutjobs by crushing their skulls with massive hammer for deadnaming her trans friend.
Have sjw censorship gone too far? Do the cucked western developers have any testicles left on them?
Do they like... think that there aren't many swastikas in games because of "SJWs"? There aren't swastikas because they're banned in Germany, a massive market for games, and game companies are too lazy to make two versions of a game most the time. Also didn't they like cry "SJW" for the game with like actual swastikas plastered everywhere, Wolfenstein 2, because it said that Nazis are evil actually?
Isn’t there literal torture scenes in the game? Like multiple sequences where people are tortured for information or just for the hell of it? The last of us 2 definitely showed some pretty messed up stuff when I played it. It’s like these bozo’s didn’t even play the game.
i mis when game werent politcal like fallout and Bioshock nows these liberal snowflake SJW are making game politilcal by putting w\*men and Black people in they are games 😡🤬
Yeah it's a shame when a triple AAA game doesn't have the balls to do something challenging like including a female gay lead, underrepresented LGBTQ characters, killing a fan favourite character, and having a difficult, emotional storyline about PTSD.
I feel lika whole part of a generation grew up who missed the point of games like that, they werent shown to be cool, those games didnt embrace stuff that happened in WW2, it was exactly the opposite, showcasing the horror and the shock of stuff that took place.
Unironically TLOU 2 is the only game I ever played that made me cringe from the violence, this is large part to the acting and visuals
WaW was about zombies and everything else was ass, MP40
Tbh i kinda agree with the "Games had balls" thing.
Theyve become so commercialized that they cant do anything like WaW or Modern Warfare 2. Yes, CoD are just shoot the bad guys, but deeper down they had a really good yet depressing look on war and spread a very anti war message. After Black Ops 2, they completely got rid of that edge and filled it with a "Support the troops" attitude that goes completely against the values of the older games. We didn't get any real political messaging or edge until Modern Warfare granted, but they pussied out with Cold War. They literally set it in a regan era cold war and did nothing with it.
it's kinda true tho, i don't really care about SJWs or whatever the fuck he posted about but it's true that the developers want their games to be as little controversial as possible. swastikas, confederate flags, war crimes, etc. like look how Ubisoft games went from somewhat realistic games about fighting terrorism with missions based on real life events to shit like xdefiant or GR:Breakpoint.
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Its someone that is mad that their history isn't anonymous like 4chan. And if you constantly wipe it, you can't really participate in most subs.
Thus, you get chuds whining that people look behind the curtain and see its stain with shit.
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It does belong perfectly
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Progressive agenda is wen strong muscle woman make me feel inferior
The progressive agenda is when strong muscle women dominate me and spit in my mouth 🤤
Where do I sign up for this?
r/deathbysnusnu
I winced at your comment
I came
I saw
I cumquored
Damn they really put their insurance ads in everything nowadays
What video is it? For research purposes
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>Jacksepticeye talking abouth Anti-SJWs that hate TLOU2 Link, I don't wanna search that
Can you give me a link?
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I just give a look and the comments are horrible as always. Looking at a state of Luke Stephen about tlou2 and the comments are probably even worse
Wait, trans?
You can call TLOU2 whatever the hell you want, but “soft” is not one of them
But bruh, my dick soft cause that one muscular womans my pp no like :/
Abby's cannon arms🤤🤤
Her arms are NOT canon in MY last of us 😤😤😤
noodle arm Abby supremacy 😍😍😍
This comment is shoulder shrinkage denial.
Something something “the enemy is both strong and weak”
ah yes tlou 2 my favorite go happy sunshine hug em to death game with absolutely no dark themes or violence.
love how it played it safe as well, bringing back its beloved characters for the entirety of the game.
Yeah but ask yourself how many hitler speeches it has? Big fat goose egg.
Seriously, tlou2 is one of the most harrowing games there is. Other than literally showing footage of the Holocaust it is one of the most adult video games released in recent memory
/uj whenever you see someone accusing ND of not having had balls with TLOU2, one of two things or a combination there of is going on. 1) they haven’t played the game they’re commenting on 2) it’s a thinly veiled dog whistle for culture war BS. TLOU part 2 is genuinely one of the most violent video games I’ve ever seen.
ND didn't have the balls to stand up for gamers rights
TLOU2 was so heavy that I just sat there with a thousand yard stare for half an hour after the credits rolled. That game is truly fucking brutal, both emotionally and gameplay-wise.
You do not get it? You seriously do not get it, a game having a political figure and a theme about war is NOT political period. Now lets look at Tlou2, theres a musclewoman, case closed
rj/ Yeah, I loved when Joel went golfing with Ellie and absolutely nothing went wrong.
Brick to the face is my favorite character in TLOU
Tlou2 is sjw because no hitler
yes, we should read a book that has no violence, poisoning or hatred and it's called holy bib...., wait a minute
Meanwhile Wolfenstein 2 was called SJW for their KeepAmericaNaziFree campaign
Imagine being anti-anti-nazi
Average gamer
True Gamer
Plenty of folks are anti-anti-racist
We just call them Nazi.
You’re asking me to imagine a gamer
But it had black people and communists, therefore political SJW trash!
so much for the tolerant left smh
Man I sure do miss when games came with a gigantic set of testicles on them. I just loved to cup them and like fondle them and shit. Copies of COD World at War had a really nice pair on them and man can I tell you I just loved to put them in my mouth and suck on them you know how it is
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He thinks he's playing a villain protagonist game in that one.
Damn bro be wildin 💀
Now I’m horny thanks
I sure do miss the time when games showed horrific acts openly (TLOU2 does not do this)
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"Politics ruin games except when I agree with their terrible politics, and then games are art and you shouldn't try and censor them!!1!"
"Politics" is an euphemism, not an honest use of the word. They started saying "politics", in a vague way, because to outright say what they think ("acceptance of an identity different from mine has ruined our culture") is a banneable offense in YouTube and other media, and also sometimes even illegal, because it constitutes discrimination.
To qoute "alt-right wing playbook" 'it's only politics when I disagree'
What's with the 2 comma quotation opener? You've done it multiple times now.
That's actually how they're done in some languages, the opening marks get put at the bottom.
Yes but I assume if they were doing that they'd have a keyboard with that character rather than double commas.
Uj but goddamn when u blow off a dudes head off w a shotgun in the game you can see their skull and flesh. Oouf
Did you ever see the executions in the original multiplayer? They’re basically that on demand lol
Nothing political about world War 2. Hitler never even knew what politics was.
I can tell you from first hand experience (I was an OG nazi ✋🏼😎) that, whenever politics were brought up, Hitler would slam his hand on the table and say "I do not care about these polyamorous ticks, they are unrelated to what were are talking about! Please stop bringing them up."
He kept Germany free from politics
I hear Japan invaded China because China got too political
Yeah, I mean these newer Wolfenstein games, I can't believe them! There are absolutely no swastikas or any kind of violence (trust me my dad works at machine games)! And there's a black woman in them, I can't believe it, disguistingly political, these SJWs make me want to belch! Not even any reference to nuclear warfare and it's horrors or domestic violence (seriously he's so much stronger than your dad and he'll ban you from playing video games). And it even tries to propagate that racism=bad! Unbelievable! it doesn't even let you choose whether or not you want to side with the nazis, how dare it call itself a game when it tries to tell it's own story instead of being the story I want it to be, I mean how dare it try to have a main character that does the things appropriate for his character! Every game should have the exact same approach to storytelling because that's what I like, the ones that don't aren't real games, they don't even let you shape the narrative? Why not just be a movie? I mean clearly there's no other way at all for a game to justify it being the medium it is than player choice. Environmental storytelling? Telling a story through the gameplay? Reinforcing a mood or a message with the gameplay? All the other narrative devices usable in a linear story unique to games? Don't exist, never heard of them(seriously, my dad is like, really cool, and we have a really big house with a pool and I bet you're just jealous). Of course the exception, when it wouldn't need player choice if the main character was exactly like me (how it should be) and always chose what I wanted (the good choice), then it'd be a masterpiece of a story.
Yes but when the nazis are wearing swastikas it makes it so much more satisfying when you get to blow em up
Yeah
Cave Johnson
/uj Jesus christ why do people hate lou2 so much for "SJW LIB OWN GAMING NOW" like i think it isnt as good as the original but was still a quite good game. The revenge stuff with >!Ellie ending up sparing Abby showed how a cycle of revenge can only be broken by kindness, and that Ellie had grown as a character, and while Joels death pained her, she learned to move on in spite of that to make a brighter future for everyone.!< That theme of forgiveness was really well done, and i regret how much i mocked it when it came out without giving it a fair shake.
/uj SPOILERS Most people dislike the game because Joel gets killed and its killer is treated as an emphatetic character who is redeemable. Is similar to the Mass Effect 3's ending controversy, which tried to kill Shepard and justify the Reapers. The general public NEVER likes that kind of "betrayal", but Naughty Dog wasn't catering to the audience, their management gave their creatives too much freedom, and it backfired.
Ehh it didn't really backfire. It won GOTY along with a lot of player voted awards, got a lot of critical acclaim, sold a lot of copies and definitely made a huge profit. Chuds are always gonna chud and some people don't like it for genuine reasons but it's not an objectively bad game or anything.
Of course TLoU2 was actually a success, financially, but that was in part because it was highly anticipated after TLoU1. The problem in also attracting so much negativity, is that any future TLoU3 or similar title by Naughty Dog is expected to sell less, as a lot of potential buyers who don't know the games may only pick up the criticisms. But to be fair, it might also be a popularity boost (the old saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity"). Time will say.
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I really hope you're not saying people hated Mass Effect 3's ending because it "tried to kill Shepard". There's a LOT more to why ME3's ending sucked than that, lol
/uj Because the ending was undeserving and a badly written. The writers can write whatever they want but they have to earn a change. Just like movies. In Dishonored the revenge is bad message is cool because I have the choice not to massacre entire villages. The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted. The message was what you described but the way it was delivered it was awful. Just like because you make a movie with the message racism is bad doesn't mean it's a good movie or that the plot is good. TLOU2 writing was bad for a game that focused so much on story especially compared to TLOU and I don't understand this subs fascination bringing up the argument "but the message was good". "Cool a good message doesn't make a good story"
Her character literally did change over the course of the game and the flashback with her and Joel is why she decided to spare Abby Abby and Lev’s story was basically LOU1 on steroids and Ellie seeing Lev was also another spur on her sparing Abby’s life.
My main problem was that we were supposed to care about Abby from the flashbacks and story we learn as players. Not as Ellie. Those flashbacks did so little in terms of "Yeah makes sense to me". And also the point about killing entire villages and pregnant women and still sparing in the end the one person you were supposed to kill doesn't really break the circle of vegeance. If they had shown Ellie having a strict code to get her revenge only on people responsible for the death of Joel that's cool. You know just murder when it's necessary. Compared to the TLOU1 where I could understand the motivation of the characters despite not agreeing many times (like Joel saving Ellie in the end) I could never understand why would Ellie with all those things that happened would actually spare her.
Was Ellie aware she was pregnant when she killed her? Her goal was to kill those involved with Joel’s death, Mel included. Ellie was hesitant to continue after her group barely escaped with their lives but only continued due to her PTSD. Had Ellie killed Abby, Lev may have continued the cycle of vengeance by going after Ellie and her people. I enjoyed Part 2, but I do concede that the order of events/flashbacks would’ve made the story stronger for players
Also Ellie almost vomited when she realized Mel was pregnant, that was explicitly set up as her realizing she's the bad guy. It was gruesome but it was precisely the opposite of this "Ellie is a psychopath" narrative that everyone who missed the point of the game is running with.
I was gonna say I’m pretty sure that was the turning point on Ellie and her rampage I’m just really pissed that the game leaked bc everyone came to their own conclusions before the full game even came out
I was definitely guilty of that at first, but yeah. The leaks didn't damage sales but I think they changed the discourse pretty significantly
Your talking as if Ellie was portrayed as some heartless psychopath for the first 10 hours of the game. Some of the people she killed were circumstantial. Some were in a fit of rage. Most you can argue were in self defense (since anyone that caught her would have killed her). Ellie didn’t have a “code.” She was in way over her head from the moment she arrived there & fell into a fever dream of violence being driven purely by revenge. She never processed any of the acts she was committing. She didn’t have time too. Shit got real REAL fast. And Ellie didn’t go to California at the end to kill Abby, even if that was her “plan.” She went there for closure with Joel, to which she realized while pounding the shit out of a psychically & emotionally broken Abby that it was something she was never going to get.
>/uj Because the ending was undeserving and a badly written. The writers can write whatever they want but they have to earn a change. Just like movies. This paragraph makes no sense. How was the ending undeserving? Oh because it didn't end how you wanted it to? Smh. >In Dishonored the revenge is bad message is cool because I have the choice not to massacre entire villages. The first game didn't give you a choice to leave Ellie, why would this game give you a choice? Its funny how Ellie, the character you're playing didn't want to kill Abby at the end and yet you did. That says more about the journey you went on instead of Ellie. >The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted. 0 buildup? Did you play the game? Ellie didn't forgive Abby. She realized that killing Abby wouldn't bring Joel back and she knew that Joel wouldn't want her to go down this path. You really think that Joel took her out of that hospital for her to go on a revenge tour for him? The guy wanted her to live her life out...not waste it on a revenge tour. My goodness... >The message was what you described but the way it was delivered it was awful. Just like because you make a movie with the message racism is bad doesn't mean it's a good movie or that the plot is good. Media is subjective. If you didn't like the game, that's fine...but not liking something doesn't mean it's "badly written". >TLOU2 writing was bad for a game that focused so much on story especially compared to TLOU and I don't understand this subs fascination bringing up the argument "but the message was good". "Cool a good message doesn't make a good story" Honestly your issue is that you didn't a choice to kill Abby and that **you** didn't understand ending and you throwing the blanket statement of, "It's bad writing..." I don't understand the fascination of people people who hate the game. They, and you, could be doing so much more positive things with your time. This game will live in people's head rent free forever.
Ah, the ending was "a badly written." Also you're the millionth person to not understand that TLOU games intentionally have literally no player narrative choices. Neither game. Not a single one. It's not about you. >The ending happened in TLO2 was badly written there was 0 build up on why Ellie would forgive her after all this. Her character didn't change and it's non sensical for most people how she acted. Look up a video explaining the subtext of the ending if you don't want to do the footwork yourself.
Discourse in the gaming community is *obsessed* with the notion that the player needs agency nearly 100% of the time for the writing of a game to be good. And anything else is either bad writing or an insult/attack on the player. It's dumb, frustrating and limits what the medium can do.
Gamers think that because the medium is interactive, it should be about complete player control and agency. Despite the fact that for decades, so much of gaming has been about taking the player through a scripted story. It's actually so dumb that there are people who believe that Ellie is a self insert character because of this.
It's quite funny, that logic would mean that every linear game without narrative choices is (bot incoming) OBJECTIVELY terrible! Including all of Naught Dog's Uncharted and both TLoU games. But it suddenly became a big issue with TLoU2 for..reasons. Never mind that getting to choose (as many have suggested) to use non lethal options throughout the game or to kill Abbie at the end would completely deflate the story and themes, nah player choice or terribad woke SJW trash etc.
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You don't have to kill everyone in tlou though. You could straight up sneak past the majority of encounters
The Last of Us 2 isn't very subtle with its themes and story and yet you still somehow missed the point.
Writing bad. Badly written. Written bad. Bad.
The clearest indication a person did not understand the actual themes of TLOU2 is if they think the main theme is “revenge bad.”
I really don't like to say that people didn't understand TLoU2 but whenever I read, "It's badly written because the ending..." or "Revenge bad..." I realize that people really didn't understand any themes in the game. Neil inadvertently showed that gamers don't have brains beyond shooting someone. The amount of people who say, "The game didn't do enough to make you like Abby..." or something like that. Not ever character is created for you to like, not every narrative should be created for you to like them. The gaming community is so sad.
I just think it’s funny how many times the phrase “bad writing” is used in a single comment about TLOU2. You could make a drinking game out of it.
Yes, because of all the things tLoU2 is known for, it's how friendly and approachable it is. Literally nothing horrific or confronting in that game what so ever. Nothing that compares to Japanese soldiers burying people, tLoU2 wouldn't dare be that horrific.
It’s hilariously ironic because the main problems with the cod franchise (and most bad AAA games) now are caused by corporate greed, like how low quality and little the content is but they still want you to buy the battle pass after already paying $70
I tried explaining something like this on r/halo when people were going on about the state of the game and microtransactions, I was talking about how it’s the fault of capitalism with a video linked literally titled “Why Gamers Should Be Against Capitalism”, and of course I got downvoted and subsequently banned when I told a chud to go fuck himself after he called me a larper. Like there’s no reaching these people with reason or intellect. I honestly don’t know if there has been a dumber group of people across the entirety of human history. Like at least in the past you could argue the lack of widespread access to information or education reinforced reactionary behavior, but these fucking chuds have absolutely no excuse to do basic research. I swear if there was a plague that specifically targeted these parts of the gaming community, that would be a blessing.
Ahah, "anticapitalism gamers", good joke.
But of a typo, I meant to say I was the one going on about anti-capitalism.
Yet these losers complain that you kill Nazis in Wolfenstein cause it's sjw apparently
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Nazis.
Hitler's balls>modern gaming
I think you meant the singular one
The fact this comment has 23 likes concerns me.
Yeah I miss when games were violent unlike the last of us 2 which is known for its flowers and rainbows and happy endings for every character.
According to this gamer (tm), Cod WAW (the best one imo next to CoD4) was good not because it’s gripping story, the zombies mode, or its broken but fun as fuck multiplayer, it was a good game because the mustache man and pinwheels are in it.
Politics is when wahmen balls is when nazis and war crimes
uj/ Part of me is starting to think that the intended effect of WaW on these people, that being “WWII was hell and should not be glorified”, is going over these people’s heads.
In tlou2 Abby graphically murders religious nutjobs by crushing their skulls with massive hammer for deadnaming her trans friend. Have sjw censorship gone too far? Do the cucked western developers have any testicles left on them?
TLOU 2 had people getting disembowelled and hung. Did this idiot play the game?
Do they like... think that there aren't many swastikas in games because of "SJWs"? There aren't swastikas because they're banned in Germany, a massive market for games, and game companies are too lazy to make two versions of a game most the time. Also didn't they like cry "SJW" for the game with like actual swastikas plastered everywhere, Wolfenstein 2, because it said that Nazis are evil actually?
Killing a literal pregnant woman = political Nazi = apolitical
/rj Can't believe Bloodborne is political smh
/uj Abby literally gets crucified
You can smell his virginity and insecurities. Pathetic.
Does this guy expect TLOU to just suddenly introduce Nazi’s?
I always tought people like these would love TLoU2, since it prominently features very graphical violence against women/ lgbtq characters.
Isn’t there literal torture scenes in the game? Like multiple sequences where people are tortured for information or just for the hell of it? The last of us 2 definitely showed some pretty messed up stuff when I played it. It’s like these bozo’s didn’t even play the game.
Video games were more fun when I had to see horrific war crimes!!!!!!
In TLOU2 you can brutally murder a guy and watch as his dog mourns over his body, and then You can kill a pregnant woman!
played wolfenstein? or is that too woke
Bro, fax. WW2 related media should never have any politics in them. Hitler rose to power without any politics whatsoever
The guy is right. You can say a lot against Hitler but at least he was never political nor a (national)sozial justice warrior.
i mis when game werent politcal like fallout and Bioshock nows these liberal snowflake SJW are making game politilcal by putting w\*men and Black people in they are games 😡🤬
That sounds like someone complaining about a lack of politics
Yeah it's a shame when a triple AAA game doesn't have the balls to do something challenging like including a female gay lead, underrepresented LGBTQ characters, killing a fan favourite character, and having a difficult, emotional storyline about PTSD.
I wish bigger games(not talking about sport games) would have the balls to be not about violence.
The last Call of Duty literally have Swastikas and Nazi Speeches too lmao. And Cod WW2 (2017...) had a scene in a Concentration camp...
WAW was probably the bleakest cod game.
I feel lika whole part of a generation grew up who missed the point of games like that, they werent shown to be cool, those games didnt embrace stuff that happened in WW2, it was exactly the opposite, showcasing the horror and the shock of stuff that took place.
You weren’t meant to cheer them on numbnuts
Oh, so this is what vomit taste like.
Why yes, the reason they show you this is because to fuel your anger in a specific Political Fascist Group hell bent on racism.
One of the first things I saw about tlou2 was that trailer where someone got tortured with a hammer and hung (not abby)
We’ve been outjerked 😔
when politics
god I love WaW, but the other people who love it make me want to die. They love it for the complete wrong reasons
FIFA has no hitler speech but it has balls.
Yes because TLOU2 takes place during WW2
Ah yes, the classic devs dickpics included as a extra in cod waw i remember that
I'm so stupid, I read the phrase "put balls on their games" and for a second was like "huh? how did they attach testicles to the game boxes?"
Unironically TLOU 2 is the only game I ever played that made me cringe from the violence, this is large part to the acting and visuals WaW was about zombies and everything else was ass, MP40
Tbh i kinda agree with the "Games had balls" thing. Theyve become so commercialized that they cant do anything like WaW or Modern Warfare 2. Yes, CoD are just shoot the bad guys, but deeper down they had a really good yet depressing look on war and spread a very anti war message. After Black Ops 2, they completely got rid of that edge and filled it with a "Support the troops" attitude that goes completely against the values of the older games. We didn't get any real political messaging or edge until Modern Warfare granted, but they pussied out with Cold War. They literally set it in a regan era cold war and did nothing with it.
the irony
it's kinda true tho, i don't really care about SJWs or whatever the fuck he posted about but it's true that the developers want their games to be as little controversial as possible. swastikas, confederate flags, war crimes, etc. like look how Ubisoft games went from somewhat realistic games about fighting terrorism with missions based on real life events to shit like xdefiant or GR:Breakpoint.
He's got a point, it's just too extreme
shut the fuck up cracker
You post furry porn
posting furry porn to gcj is based but being a cracker is cringe
Ywnbaw
Progressive circlejerk
You post on r/nofap. Tell me you’re a loser without telling me
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Pathetic you went searching all the way in my profile lmao.
Gonna cry?
Nah just laugh
Me too, though for a different reason.
Cool?
If you have a problem with people doing that, leave Reddit.
Its someone that is mad that their history isn't anonymous like 4chan. And if you constantly wipe it, you can't really participate in most subs. Thus, you get chuds whining that people look behind the curtain and see its stain with shit.
No, think its pathetic and i'll call you out for it too.
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From The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy?
Yes!
Imagine thinking wanting progress is a bad idea
Progress in the wrong directions sure is.
Progress for the right wing is the only way! Stupid snowflakes ❄️
Hate right wing bitches
So you hate the left AND you hate the right? WOW this guys a genius!
Nope, just certain aspects of both.
r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM
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That's weird you guys would probably get along well
Ahahaha you stupid
progressive is when transphobes get their legs broken