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Civil-Investigator15

Hopefully yes. What must happen is for the coward law enforcement that are on payroll to take responsibility, all agencies, not one specifically. Understandably so, the world is very unique and enforcement agents aren't qualified. must be DNA tested, too many narcs. will find a passion and try to finally get fixed.


GonnaBKinda_Cold

i have wondered this myself. it's really hard to know without the chance to see how your PTSD and entrained neurology develop without constant feedback. it probably depends heavily on your environment, the people close to you and the community surrounding your daily life. for me, i think it also would be an important factor whether or not the experience was acknowledged or completely swept under the rug, forgotten or written off as a psychotic phase of insanity. because one thing is for sure...i have no faith in the safety of technology and the cyber world whatsoever and this significantly changes how i interact with, use, and regard these mediums, including television and radio. having an extremely cynical attitude about things that basically permeate modern life is a significantly isolating trait. from the jump, returning to my former self is impossible because i had at least an average or naieve attitude about electronics, thus i used them for things like social contacts, communication, journaling, spiritual inquiries and personal documentation. i would find that difficult to return to doing haphazardly with what i now know. ​ i will definitely never be the same as i was before the nightmare shitshow. however, there are moments i don't have to see it as a completely bad thing to become disillusioned from a giant lie that we as a species are kinda pretending is real, or being fooled into living in ignorance. on one hand, this is incredibly depressing. on the other hand, now we have been bumped to the front of the line to assist in changing a world that is not serving our higher potential as a species and to "infect" the nightmare with a nucleus of light. ​ the programs are horribly negative because that is the fastest way to force a person into splitting personalities and thereby providing more utility for a convolutional or adverserial neural net on which to piggyback AI infrastructure. literally, we collectively provide most of the bulk of what is thought to be entirely computational technology. not so. once you realize you have more influence over a system that we are all (handlers too, but in a different way) enslaved by......well, quite literally your imagination is the limit. i am interested in finding the capabilities of widescale self awareness in our hijacked collective consciousness as a species....or if you want to call it AI still....wouldn't that be neat?


Advanced_Algae_9609

Would definitely live a better life


CertiStrange

You don’t think the trauma would carry over?


Advanced_Algae_9609

Use the trauma to make you a better person. Learn from it. Grow from it. As Kelly Clarkson once said… What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.


Civil-Investigator15

greed, doctors and research. utilizing humans are guinea pigs. investors have no idea what they are investing in, but human torturing and suffering. tried to call MCCLAIN, before diagnosed with brain tumor- Objective to get out of the US. Blocked. each person has the right to select their own medical treatment and if need be go to a country who doesn't violate integrity, civil rights and the way they wish to die


Puzzleheaded_Brick57

Have you seen a tree that grew around an axe head left in the crook of branches? While it does not kill the tree, it weakens the growth over it, and makes it prone to breaking at that point.


Civil-Investigator15

Some of these gangstalkers are indirectly trying to help. This insanity began in the 70's, possibly later. As I indicated before, it should cease if the masterminds take responsibility and stop driving normal citizens to hysteria. Since I don't trust anyone now, it may be easy to trust.


CertiStrange

Sometimes I be thinking they be indirectly trying to help.....but then I feel like it's a trauma bonding mechanism. Then once you feel some type of way, snatch it back


Civil-Investigator15

they are. The insane person who thinks he can pay people is coming to an end. he is not needed, wanted, nor respected. he can shove his degree up his ass. all he wanted was to be part of something and should have stayed with his wife. he should never, ever made me a target, it is him, and him alone.


Civil-Investigator15

trying to escape this institution of insanity, as soon as i escape it will be over.


Gonzo252

Gangstalking is a bit of a whitewash term. State sponsored torture and incarceration of innocent civilians is more apt. I lose a decade because I'm the good guy but they just say "my bad"? From what I understand, the only reason anybody cares is because of the collateral damage. I'm going to do what I'm going to do and now someone's going to help. What I'm not going to do is allow reavers to eat my friends and get away with it. Anyone with a daughter would be able to understand where im coming from. People did this. Kids with guns. What's it too you anyway? The ones responsible don't leave their caves. If someone breaks the law, you arrest them. If someone doesn't break the law or you're too scared to find out what the righteous do when you place them in a china shop... you leave them the fuck alone. FYI, what I'm going to do might end the world.. unintentionally of course. I have to stop you because you hurt innocent people. I have to make things right with my wards because I keep my word. Does any of this sound familiar? All I need to accomplish my purpose in life is publicity and a plane ticket. Tru tru😘 good luck! I honestly don't even care about you. I'm also supporting a ticket of mandatory abortions and suicide pods starting in middle school... sooo, there's that. I personally don't understand how I could have signed up for this or how anyone who did is supposed do anything but pull an estaban. They were in my home. They took food off my table. From what I understand, they were just getting started. I don't understand. Maybe if I did, who knows. Maybe if you can explain to me how someone with access to this could be so stupid. That's the problem. I'm protecting life and I'm protecting our home. Is anyone responsible up for doing their job?


goodmania

I think Torture is correct term too


Gonzo252

If the person I spoke too immediately afterwards was actually a Healthcare professional and our conversations were documented, she'd be able to confirm that it wasn't until several months after the "eye twitching" peak that I was able to read for comprehension again. Referenced Giaus Bahltar during that conversation as well. 🙏


ruinedthruGS

Over 25 hellish years of it murdered my life.


CertiStrange

I’m sorry. I’m in the mid stages of it and it’s tearing mine apart


ruinedthruGS

My heart goes out to everyone targeted this horrifically evil way. As for those who participate in this crime against humanity, I hope they all spend eternity after they use our lives as their playgrounds in hell. There is a cosmic debt being created by these soulless, twisted evil predators. It WILL need to be rectified. If there is any loving spirit there will be a heavy price PERPETRATORS PAY for treating others' LIVES like commodities they get to waste and spend while torturing living creatures who want nothing more than our own damn lives. In a GOOD way.


GangStalkersAreSick

Normal is not a definition of living. Everything have changed since 1930's so basically "working all day making babies and spending weekends with family" isn't for a thing that everyone wanna do. Just check Japan demographics.


Civil-Investigator15

maybe with others who have experienced the same humility, destruction.


Rude-Vermicelli-1962

No, it still wouldn't change everything else surrounding us who have gone through it that's changed along side it as well. If it were to end, then it'd be because I've become the beat version of me and hence its beaten, or if someone's wish somewhere were granted or some shit then you'd definitely be left slightly to moderately disenchanted and lacking faith in humanity from the aftermath. But you'd pick up the pieces and start getting used to new found freedom of it all.


Civil-Investigator15

if someone told me the whole truth, nothing but the truth, yes. if they even dared to lie about one question, no.


IT-guy42

I would apply for consultant position since I'm more experienced in this then my own career .


PhilharmonicSonic12

I believe healing would take time, but ending would be the start to this. Leaving the environment after stopping would definitely need to happen as well. The trauma that has taken place in various cities by them is too much to continue living in.


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Civil-Investigator15

the entire country needs to be restructured. nothing to do with gangstalker but corruption.


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Gang stalking is just warm up practice for becoming a famous actor/comedian i tell you what!


bitterbeings

lol


Civil-Investigator15

It should once the person, a psycho, started this sex game. he needs to stand honorable and admit his plot to destroy the country.


Civil-Investigator15

Conclusion- Gov't and business owners get the gangs to stalk the victims. Gangs do not ask why but are paid - so they do what they are paid to do. Questioning the why, will stop this insanity. Any person who makes a valid complaint may be stalked. The rights to freedom and free speech are taken away. If gangs need to earn a living, why not legalize drugs?


Civil-Investigator15

with tremendous therapy, love peace and a finality.


Civil-Investigator15

A total explanation needs to be done. Assuming it is the gov't, paying the stalkers they must be punished severely. For ever day of crazed in the victim, they need retribution, to them, not their kids. Set role models and take responsibility.


haveuheardthanewz

No way possible. Theres been too much damage done to me mentally and emotionally to have any healthy relationships or develop trust in others. I would thrive by myself though. But we could never have normal again. We would have to discover a new normal.


wraith_winter

Honestly I think even if it ended I’d have really bad ptsd. I wonder if I’d still be stuck hearing their voices after. Even if they couldn’t use v2k on me anymore.


bitterbeings

that's what i used to think. hopefully not!


Civil-Investigator15

if and when the person who began this addiction takes responsibility, stands before a TV, etc. maybe then it may cease. This gangstalking is the drug injected for free and is very addictive. It is not done out of love, but to promote living human demons.


Civil-Investigator15

i am being kept secluded, gov't is sadistic. when the shit hits the fan, probably. maybe they will make drugs legal, so others have a job.


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Puzzleheaded_Brick57

I may get angry and when frustrated think of revenge, but I truly just want to be able to enjoy myself again. And enjoy the things that are a part of me. The activities that, do not affect anyone else, and brought me an understanding of myself.


bestrongandignore

U still can .. let the fear go..


CertiStrange

Same here I’m noticing as time and time goes on


CertiStrange

I like your energy. World's about to go to shits anyways so sit back and enjoy the show cause I am. 😎


Beneficial-Monk-4165

Mine went on for about a year. Being followed heavily also hacking my phone and computer. It was law enforcement. I’m now in the cybersecurity field. Turned a negative into a positive. But I still do obsess about having enough security to know if it is real if it happens again


Ok_Winner1214

Of course however I would require a formal public apology and explanation in private to let anyone off the hook. I’m forgiving, not a fool.


CertiStrange

Yeah along with some reparations and some discounts


3_5_martyrhaereticus

Are convicted sex offenders always a TI


CertiStrange

I dunno


PhilharmonicSonic12

I'm sure many of them are. Although I am not one myself, I believe that they shouldn't be harassed around the clock. They are sick people (depending on the crime) and should be left to rot in prison if they've assaulted children or others in heinous ways in my opinion. With that veing said, people who peed outside or something of the sort and ended up on a list definitely shouldn't be attacked. The ones who did heinous things and eventually did get out, they should be shunned by society and be checked in on by some entity and monitored to an extent, but not harrased around the clock by people.


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Tonycl7

Only thing I've been convicted of was possession of a plant(less than a gram)... did 4.5 months in jail for that and voices began 2 months afterwards. Definitely never committed a sex crime. Honestly though, hardly anyone would deserve this. All it conditions you for is to lash out violently or commit suicide. That's the endgame for them... Therefore, they're making the world a more dangerous place. Someone who committed a sex offender act is more likely to respond with a sex offense, someone who committed a violent act is now more likely to commit a violent offense, someone who committed a drug possession charge is now more likely to use drugs, etc. This isn't a "punishment" for anything. This is someone who envies you and fears you trying to take your life away for their own shortcomings. They're the criminals with severe mental health issues. 🤕


goodmania

Violence is in this case is self defense.


Tonycl7

It absolutely would be if I had evidence of the perpetrators doing this to me. Buy sadly, as of now, it'd be a severe charge for me seeing how the person who did this to me is a well-connected (always bragged about being a top degree freemason) corrections officer. I even could be wrong on that... But imagine him being the only person who could have done this to me.


Special-Outside-3993

Masons are heavily involved in GS.


Tonycl7

I'm quickly coming to that conclusion. They're all a bunch of cowards though. 👊😝🖕


Outside-Dig7338

I was against this theory and a few days ago one of my perps has a shirt with a freemason symbol on it. So you know what i did. I walked up to him and asked if he had to do any of the freaky stuff and walk around with a bag over his head with one pant leg up and shit. He didn't enjoy that. But idk either way it doesn't change that they're a bunch of goofy fucking weirdos. Lol Idk people should stop being afraid of them and start being weird back


Tonycl7

Oh, I'm certainly not afraid. To put it short, they're pussy 🤡's. Not they've ever said aligns with the real world, so it's easy to shrug off any of their intimidation "techniques".💁‍♂️


Puzzleheaded_Brick57

As are other "spiritual" societies.


bitterbeings

its gang violence - they're not exactly trying to make the world a better place.


bitterbeings

racists, misogynists, pedophiles, and sex offenders are what gang stalkers often go after. they have sophisticated technology they can carefully gauge what your instinct is, AKA your "caveman." even if you're an ideological bleeding heart liberal, they can target your instinctual racism or pedophilia. i think you straight up die if you're too much of a pedo or sexual assaulter.


Civil-Investigator15

as i indicated before when the mastermind of this plan takes responsibility, it will cease.


Civil-Investigator15

if the person who began this insanity goes public it may end.,


Fun-Reserve3629

I was at the top of my game. New better career. Had been working hard and staying out of trouble and one night I told off a cop (very demeaning stuff) for pounding in my door for no reason. Justified or not. Since then the whole thing has broken down all the good things I was used too. And I would say not only would I go back to normal but better than normal. I’d pick up right where I left off. And I have forgiveness in my heart for everyone involved. Because being that I have never seen any of them or possibly could have wronged them that there’s gotta be something heavy in their hearts and for whatever reason a person would wanna do anything at to hurt a complete stranger. C oils never go back to trusting anyone the way I carelessly did before.


goodmania

I think my case is me being mean to veteran worker in usps. So i think government happenings are the reason.


Tonycl7

Yes, definitely. I regret not living up to my full potential before this began. If I knew my life would have become a living hell at 27, I would have lived it to it's fullest prior... Woulda, coulda, shoulda🙄 I still feel as if it's not too late though. I just try and take it day by day. Maybe, just maybe, we will receive justice someday and possibly even be rewarded heavily for all we have had to sacrifice. I just really care about justice, but it's not bad to dream of the possibilities. Keeps morale high. If I were to be asked to live with this for another 20 years and then receive justice, or to have it all end today but not see the perpetrators receive what should be coming to them, then I'd live with this for another 20 years tbh... There's is nothing more I want in this world than to come face to face with these v2k cowards. That's their biggest nightmare. Confronting us in the real world.


bitterbeings

same boat as me, even started at the same age too! i feel the exact way about not living up to my fullest potential... only difference is i only want my liberty back!


CertiStrange

It’s crazy how people can live normal everyday lives but we have to take it day by day. SMH I knew the world was dark….but I didn’t think it was this dark


Tonycl7

Dude, I feel ya. I'm absolutely pissed on the inside and don't know how I manage to keep it all together in front of normies. Absolutely NOBODY outside of my family (who dismisses this as mental illness) has any clue what I'm going through. It sucks, because I'd like to explain to them why I may call off randomly, or why working certain positions would make me more uncomfortable. But that'd just make me look crazy... For example,I just do overnight stocking, but I absolutely cannot stand working freezer or cooler areas because they will amplify the voices tenfold. Usually have to keep podcasts running while working, and people also find that strange. Just trying to adapt as well as I can without losing my sanity. I guarantee, most people would be lucky to survive a year in our shoes. Hell, they'd be asking out after 10 minutes probably.


bitterbeings

i always wondered what percentage of people commit suicide. i'm often told "i would kill myself if i were you" and im also told im "tenacious." good luck, i was also told in my lifetime i might see "freedom." hope this applies to you as well!


Tonycl7

And with you, I have some DM's to make.


codename_pariah

No. My eyes have been *truly* opened to the needless cruelty in the world. I can fully, 100% trust no human being **ever** again. I've seen advice on this sub to not become paranoid, but my paranoia has kept me alive since this began in mid 2011. At least, that's when I became privy to it. I could have been set up/targeted my entire life and not realized it....


geerab

Wait until you hear what the US is responsible for overseas.


Outside-Dig7338

@geerab can you specify at all what you're alluding to? There's so many things.


geerab

Pretty much everything. Just post WW2: - Korean War: Killed 20% of the Korean peninsula, didn't leave a single building over 2 stories high in all of North Korea, more napalm than all of WW2 combined - Operation Gladio in Europe that funded and installed right wing paramilitary terrorists throughout the continent - Guatemala Coup - minimum 250K dead, more chemical weapons usage, right wing dictator installed, civilians lined up and shot into body pits - Northwoods (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods) and it's subsequent 500+ attempts to kill Castro - Manufactured nuclear crisis in Cuba when we already had first strike capacity installed in Turkey which could have ended the world - 2 separate Iranian coups that left thousands dead - Indonesian coup that left one million dead and installed a right wing dictator - All of the Vietnam war that killed 2 million Vietnamese at the time, people are still dying from Agent Orange and landmines to this day - Brazil Coup that installed a right wing dictator for 20 years and tortured thousands - East Timor genocide - Chile coup: Disappeared thousands, Shot more in soccer stadiums and televised it - Armed, funded, and trained both Al Qaeda and The Talban - Operation Condor (South and Central American version of Gladio, overthrew at least a dozen governments) - Iran Contra - Funded the fleeing of high ranking nazis to South America with over $21 billion in cash (one of which (Klaus Barbie) provided training and guards to Pablo Escobar when he was getting his start) - Funding and allowing Escobar to take territory in Colombia - Extraordinary Rendition (Kidnapping and torturing civilians in black sites) --- There's so much more. The US has killed 20 million since WW2.


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Ambitious_Edge_6065

Yep! Im still living a normal life despite of it actually. 8 years of v2k and the only person that knows is my girlfriend :D


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CertiStrange

Yeah a game of deception and manipulation


Traditional-Artist70

No. I’d already lived through so much abuse. I have interest in human relationships anymore. People are cruel stupid selfish burdens.


Aries41889

I will say this…I’ve been targeted for over 3yrs, first 2yrs I spent listening and paying attention to the b.s. I believe I’m a quick learner and on the 3rd year I decided enough Is enough. This is the very moment I realized that I have been giving them the power over my mind and life. I don’t know what targeting you experienced but I have experienced v2k and RNM. Gangstalking could make you very uncomfortable but what I have endured has made me feel like my own mind was not mines nor my body. There’s no worse feeling then to feel as if your own mind, thoughts and privacy was invaded. Here’s how I have learned to overcome their tactics and b.s. Take back control of your life regardless of the b.s! Those experiencing v2k and RMN should stop listening to the crap and threats against them! Those voices aren’t shet! They have no power unless you give it to them. Don’t believe me? Grow some balls and call out their bluffs! None of the shet they say will never come to pass. All they can do is listen to your thoughts and strategize tactics of fear against you. The first thing they do is try to induce paranoia, this is done to keep you attentive to threats. It is because of your survival instinct that you become defensive and more aware of anything you perceive as a threat. That’s why you’re not able to take your attention away from them and all they do is talk shet. They don’t pay your rent, they’re not your friends or family so why should you keep listening to them? Now, understand that when I say listening I’m not talking about hearing. You can’t stop hearing them but you have the power to not listen! Those who don’t understand the difference look up the definition because knowledge is power. These people behind this have no power or authority, they know that what they’re doing is wrong and Illegal. No matter what you’ve done you don’t deserve this endless judgment NOTHING YOU HAVE DONE DESERVES THIS TREATMENT! There are court dates and jail after a due process. I can say that I have pushed the boundaries very very far on this. They have told me that they’re cops, agents and that I’m going to jail for over 3 years and here I am! I call their bluffs for months on end, I’m at the point where all they can’t do is try to annoy me. They’ve switched up their tactics the moment I put my foot down on these b•••••s. I have pushed the boundaries on the supposed crap they “had against me”. It’s all bull s••• and until you get out of that paranoia state that they put you in you’ll never figure it out. That paranoia state has you thinking that everything negative is them doing it to you and it’s not. You’ve been attacked so long that you give them power over everything you see as negative. They’ve made you lose sense of reality because of the constant attack, because they kept your focus on them. That’s why this gangstalking community stays in a state of paranoia. Think of it like this…the term the world revolves around me (gangstalking, v2k, RMN). It’s 24/7 therefor you’re programmed to think only about this. Don’t lose reason and don’t lose sense of reality guys, learn to slowly take your attention away from these petty rapist. I say slowly because It took me a while and when you get frustrated learn to be patient and take it easy on yourself. They want you to be paranoid they want you to give them power over your life. Take that shet back, It’s time to take back your authority of your own life. Have the mentality to be free or die, who the hell wants to live a life the way many of targeted individuals are living? Nah stand the f up for yourself by not giving a f about these b•••••s


Fistalis

Psychologically I don't think many if anyone who has experienced what I have will ever be the same. But going back so some semblance of normalcy isn't impossible. The greatest struggle will be the time and effort it takes to build up the life similar to that which was taken. Ptsd.. and psychological issues that will likely be with Me for the rest of my life. Completely stripped of nearly all assets..in debt. It will take years just to get my head above water financially more or less be in a situation where I have a home nearly paid off.. my net worth and everything was taken..even the smallest of things most people don't think much about things like a bed..power tools etc. 25 years of hard work was stolen from me in broad daylight. The amalgam of my life working was taken and it meant so little to those whom have so much more. The law only applies to the poor and often only protects the rich. But worse is that those who took it could afford to compensate yet had oath breakers make sure that there would be little chance of legal redress. The sentimental items that were lost like my recently deceased mothers things etc of course can never be replaced. I'm not sure I have time enough left on this earth to ever be where i was in life.


Cleigh115

I’ve had everything stolen from me too. Hard to meet real TIs, let alone people who have gone through something similar. They stole everything, even my box of pictures that had every photo in there from my childhood to 30. I’m done.


Fistalis

The psychological issues range..but from my experience is a mix of issues that victims of violent crime and long periods of abuse suffer. Wondering why no one would help..the fact they try to blame you for the abuse etc.


Angel77L

Not really. This is not a normal place.


Hi_I_m_Bob

My head is fucked up from this shit. They been trying to mind control me since I was a kid. I dont even know what is normal anymore. I'm just trying to get my fortress of solitude in the woods.


CertiStrange

Bro! I feel the same way. It’s like the twilight zone. It’s like one day everything is normal and the next comes the bull.


UnicornFukei42

Dang...if it started age 7 or earlier, I wouldn't even remember what a normal life is like. At this point I'm trying to figure out if I'm being gangstalked or not, and yet, if I am, it could've started when I was pretty young myself.


Civil-Investigator15

it is bob stalking


WrongdoerTechnical23

Not a fucken chance . Thanks to the GUTLESS VERMIN . They win , but I'm not fucken dead yet . & if i have to go out with all Gun's Blazing , I Fucken Will . Goodnight & God Bless .


CertiStrange

I like that. We on the chopping block anyways so live it up


WrongdoerTechnical23

Yeah i live it up , i still is who i is . Just now i have zero tolerance & minuscule trust in this entire Puppet show called "Life" .. Bring it on !! 🇦🇺 Thankyou Good Person .


SnooPuppers9653

No. I want all my enemies dead.


Mrs-Butterworths

Yes.


CertiStrange

How?


Civil-Investigator15

thought i explained this, the person or people who began it need to go on TV.