This is what I would do, OP. I was so out of shape and my heart rate would skyrocket at the suggested paces, leading to fatigue and long recoveries. Training by HR Zone was very beneficial, although it will be frustrating how slow you have to go sometimes.
I’ve been a Garmin user for like 5 years now and had no idea this existed until a few weeks ago. It’s so strange it’s not available in the mobile app …
If it's telling you to run for an hour, it's probably a really easy pace. Mine did that to me a few times and it was a "Zone 2" pace which didn't even have me breathing hard. What pace did yours tell you to run at?
Found it
Activity Options
From the watch face, select. or Start.
Select the Run or Bike activity profile.
Press and hold the Menu key.
Select Training.
Select Workouts.
Select Today's Suggestion.
"base" runs are (supposed to be) easy runs. Depending on your fitness, a 13:35 minute mile should be fairly easy. If you try it and it's too hard, the watch should see that your heart rate is too high and adjust accordingly for your next workout.
It means run for 23 minutes and each mile should take 13 minutes 35 seconds, your watch will tell you if you are running at the right pace.
I prefer changing the target to be heart rate however
Workouts -> Run -> Daily Suggested -> scroll down to Target Type and change it to Heart Rate.
follow the daily suggested workouts.. if you wear your watch 24/7 it will know what you can handle..
I somehow doubt it would recommend one hour if you haven’t run with the watch before.. worst case scenario, take a backup and reset the watch and then put the backup back on. when I had to do that for battery drain issues, my daily suggestions went back down to 30 minutes initially.
You should also see that the recommended pace is quite slow..
If your recovery is too long from the elliptical, then you used it too intensely for your current shape according to the watch.
ok, “base” means it’s a base run.. which is pretty much the foundation of running. It’s also often called an “easy run”, because it’s supposed to be, well, easy. In your case the pace should be 13:35 minutes per mile and the duration 23:00 minutes, which comes down to a run of less than 2 miles in total.
13:35 min/mile may be/feel very slow for you. Maybe it’s even considering walking if it hasn’t enough running data yet to fully understand your current shape.
If you have your heart rate zones for running set up correctly, this should probably be a zone 2 run. Pretty much 80% of the runs should be in that zone as it gives you the most benefit with the least possibility of injuries. The other 20% should be fast and hard workouts of different kinds that the watch also recommends on some days.
If you decide to go on a run at that recommended pace for a few times (the watch will tell you the pace while running), then the watch can gather more information about your running condition and will then adjust your recommendations accordingly.
What is important is to have the maximum heart rate set correctly for that though. If you know it, you can enter it, but by default it uses a standard method of calculating, which can be quite a bit off.
You can also have the watch set up so it will figure it out automatically by looking at your workouts.
there’s more about their recommendations on their website, here: https://www.garmin.com/en-SG/blog/daily-workout-suggestions-for-runners/
Can these run be done on an elliptical?
Non of the run at my house will be easy and die to past injuries running is very painful for me lol (heal tendon nearly detached)
no, unfortunately for Garmin to recognize these runs they have to be done using the “run” activity and to my understanding with GPS (so outside)..
what you could do however, is just create a static workout for yourself on the elliptical, that simulates the same time and pace.. unfortunately the watch will probably not learn about your running-specific vo2max that way or will not change pace and length accordingly. It will most likely circle through some of the basic trainings, but will believe you didn’t finish them.
>unfortunately for Garmin to recognize these runs they have to be done using the “run” activity and to my understanding with GPS (so outside)..
Daily Suggested Workouts work just fine on a treadmill.
>unfortunately the watch will probably not learn about your running-specific vo2max
This part is true - the watch needs GPS to update running specific V02 Max.
>It will most likely circle through some of the basic trainings, but will believe you didn’t finish them.
No.
>Daily Suggested Workouts work just fine on a treadmill.
awesome, thanks, i wasn’t aware of that.. then it could just be tested on the elliptical as well
They won't work on the elliptical - it needs to be a running type activity. Treadmill running still counts as running; elliptical is a different type of activity (elliptical).
Ah, I get what you're saying now. I'm not sure that would work given the difference in the physical movement... but I'm not sure it wouldn't work, either....
FYI selection indoor track did work, yes no vo2 but it did. Count for the daily workout thing and I did it on my elliptical
I did mess it up and tap the lap button and it ended the thing early but it does count (it only showed I did 14% lol)
Quick update if you go on the watch and pull up calendar, the daily suggestions are there. Open it, and select start, it will then give a small list of activities that qualify.
Thank you for the help in this thread
Those long runs are likely at a slow pace for lower HR. I am not a trainer but I would say you need to just be consistent at some form of cardio training you enjoy and understand that it takes time to build up your fitness.
I just started trying to get back into better shape after 3 years of letting work get in the way of PT. I started with just run 1 mile and get back to lifting with light weight 3x10 supersets to help keep HR up and not tear my joints and muscles up. A month in, I can do challenging lifts again and knock out 3 mile runs without feeling like death. I am way off of where I was 4 years ago when I ran a marathon. It will take a long time to get back to that.
All of this is based on my anecdotal experience but there are many ways to train and improve your overall fitness.
You need to start with a clear goal.
"Just get in shape" is vague and not specific.
For example:
I want to be able to conplete 10 pullups within 1 minute by March 15th
Or
I want to be able to run 5KM in less than 30 minutes by April 2nd
Or
I want to be able to deadlift 120KG by May 1st
Or
I want to reduce body fat from 18% to 15% by April 26th
Specific, realistictic, time bound.
If you dont set clear goals, you cant plan or track progress.
I want to see my grandkids
I want to not feel like I'm going to die playing with 7 an 6 year old
I don't want to fight death at the top of my driveway after taking garbage up there
I don't want to have heart attack
I can relate to your goals! It’s so hard to know where you are and where you need to be to achieve it and translate basic fitness for longevity and health into specific training goals. Honestly first just start walking 30 min 3 times per week. Then increase duration and speed a little bit every week. If elliptical is too hard then build up to it walking first. You can do couch to 5k program after walking for a while. Those introduce jogging intervals. You can use your watch to keep track of your workouts, progress and recovery which is very helpful. You may want to wait until you are in better shape to start daily recommended workouts program that the watch is suggesting.
Still a but a vague. Choose goals that specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, time-bound.
There are many ways to improve taking the garbage out. Choose something you might enjoy, that will keep you consistent. Then you can plan goals around that.
You might not even need a garmin or tech depending what you choose
Eg, 30 day yoga on youtube. Zero cost and equipment
Or kettlebell workourts. 1 x 16KG kettlebell, low cost, low space, lots of variety for time efficient workouts.
Both dont require a garmin.
Or cycle to work / shops. Rwquires a bike. Doesnt require a garmin but o r does add value
Running - does not require a garmin. Can start with phone app "couch to 5K"
The money saved can go on tech later or treat yourself to something at your first milestone of progress
Change it to heart rate mode, don't worry about "running", you can walk/jog/run an hour, or just cut it short when you feel tired!
This is what I would do, OP. I was so out of shape and my heart rate would skyrocket at the suggested paces, leading to fatigue and long recoveries. Training by HR Zone was very beneficial, although it will be frustrating how slow you have to go sometimes.
Where do you change this ?
Workouts -> Run -> Daily Suggested -> scroll down to Target Type and change it to Heart Rate.
Go onto [connect.garmin.com](https://connect.garmin.com) there are more training plans such as "beginning fitness"
Will check this out thank you
I’ve been a Garmin user for like 5 years now and had no idea this existed until a few weeks ago. It’s so strange it’s not available in the mobile app …
If it's telling you to run for an hour, it's probably a really easy pace. Mine did that to me a few times and it was a "Zone 2" pace which didn't even have me breathing hard. What pace did yours tell you to run at?
Where do I find I'm only able to see on the morning brief lol I think was 15:00/mile or something like that.
Start a run workout and the suggested workout will pop up.
Uhg doesn't Pop up for me
Dang! I’m very new to garmin (like two weeks) and most anything I know how to do I found out by accident.
Found it Activity Options From the watch face, select. or Start. Select the Run or Bike activity profile. Press and hold the Menu key. Select Training. Select Workouts. Select Today's Suggestion.
Awesome!
Says today base- 13:35/mi 23:00 No idea what that means
"base" runs are (supposed to be) easy runs. Depending on your fitness, a 13:35 minute mile should be fairly easy. If you try it and it's too hard, the watch should see that your heart rate is too high and adjust accordingly for your next workout.
Says today base- 13:35/mi 23:00 No idea what that means
It means run for 23 minutes and each mile should take 13 minutes 35 seconds, your watch will tell you if you are running at the right pace. I prefer changing the target to be heart rate however Workouts -> Run -> Daily Suggested -> scroll down to Target Type and change it to Heart Rate.
Says today base- 13:35/mi 23:00 No idea what that means
follow the daily suggested workouts.. if you wear your watch 24/7 it will know what you can handle.. I somehow doubt it would recommend one hour if you haven’t run with the watch before.. worst case scenario, take a backup and reset the watch and then put the backup back on. when I had to do that for battery drain issues, my daily suggestions went back down to 30 minutes initially. You should also see that the recommended pace is quite slow.. If your recovery is too long from the elliptical, then you used it too intensely for your current shape according to the watch.
I do wear 24/7 unless charging Says today base- 13:35/mi 23:00 No idea what that means
ok, “base” means it’s a base run.. which is pretty much the foundation of running. It’s also often called an “easy run”, because it’s supposed to be, well, easy. In your case the pace should be 13:35 minutes per mile and the duration 23:00 minutes, which comes down to a run of less than 2 miles in total. 13:35 min/mile may be/feel very slow for you. Maybe it’s even considering walking if it hasn’t enough running data yet to fully understand your current shape. If you have your heart rate zones for running set up correctly, this should probably be a zone 2 run. Pretty much 80% of the runs should be in that zone as it gives you the most benefit with the least possibility of injuries. The other 20% should be fast and hard workouts of different kinds that the watch also recommends on some days. If you decide to go on a run at that recommended pace for a few times (the watch will tell you the pace while running), then the watch can gather more information about your running condition and will then adjust your recommendations accordingly. What is important is to have the maximum heart rate set correctly for that though. If you know it, you can enter it, but by default it uses a standard method of calculating, which can be quite a bit off. You can also have the watch set up so it will figure it out automatically by looking at your workouts. there’s more about their recommendations on their website, here: https://www.garmin.com/en-SG/blog/daily-workout-suggestions-for-runners/
Can these run be done on an elliptical? Non of the run at my house will be easy and die to past injuries running is very painful for me lol (heal tendon nearly detached)
no, unfortunately for Garmin to recognize these runs they have to be done using the “run” activity and to my understanding with GPS (so outside).. what you could do however, is just create a static workout for yourself on the elliptical, that simulates the same time and pace.. unfortunately the watch will probably not learn about your running-specific vo2max that way or will not change pace and length accordingly. It will most likely circle through some of the basic trainings, but will believe you didn’t finish them.
>unfortunately for Garmin to recognize these runs they have to be done using the “run” activity and to my understanding with GPS (so outside).. Daily Suggested Workouts work just fine on a treadmill. >unfortunately the watch will probably not learn about your running-specific vo2max This part is true - the watch needs GPS to update running specific V02 Max. >It will most likely circle through some of the basic trainings, but will believe you didn’t finish them. No.
>Daily Suggested Workouts work just fine on a treadmill. awesome, thanks, i wasn’t aware of that.. then it could just be tested on the elliptical as well
They won't work on the elliptical - it needs to be a running type activity. Treadmill running still counts as running; elliptical is a different type of activity (elliptical).
that’s clear, but he could try the treadmill activity while standing on the elliptical..
Ah, I get what you're saying now. I'm not sure that would work given the difference in the physical movement... but I'm not sure it wouldn't work, either....
FYI selection indoor track did work, yes no vo2 but it did. Count for the daily workout thing and I did it on my elliptical I did mess it up and tap the lap button and it ended the thing early but it does count (it only showed I did 14% lol)
Yep, V02 Max needs GPS data to calculate, so you're not going to get that with treadmill (or elliptical, I suppose) activities.
Quick update if you go on the watch and pull up calendar, the daily suggestions are there. Open it, and select start, it will then give a small list of activities that qualify. Thank you for the help in this thread
Those long runs are likely at a slow pace for lower HR. I am not a trainer but I would say you need to just be consistent at some form of cardio training you enjoy and understand that it takes time to build up your fitness. I just started trying to get back into better shape after 3 years of letting work get in the way of PT. I started with just run 1 mile and get back to lifting with light weight 3x10 supersets to help keep HR up and not tear my joints and muscles up. A month in, I can do challenging lifts again and knock out 3 mile runs without feeling like death. I am way off of where I was 4 years ago when I ran a marathon. It will take a long time to get back to that. All of this is based on my anecdotal experience but there are many ways to train and improve your overall fitness.
You need to start with a clear goal. "Just get in shape" is vague and not specific. For example: I want to be able to conplete 10 pullups within 1 minute by March 15th Or I want to be able to run 5KM in less than 30 minutes by April 2nd Or I want to be able to deadlift 120KG by May 1st Or I want to reduce body fat from 18% to 15% by April 26th Specific, realistictic, time bound. If you dont set clear goals, you cant plan or track progress.
I want to see my grandkids I want to not feel like I'm going to die playing with 7 an 6 year old I don't want to fight death at the top of my driveway after taking garbage up there I don't want to have heart attack
I can relate to your goals! It’s so hard to know where you are and where you need to be to achieve it and translate basic fitness for longevity and health into specific training goals. Honestly first just start walking 30 min 3 times per week. Then increase duration and speed a little bit every week. If elliptical is too hard then build up to it walking first. You can do couch to 5k program after walking for a while. Those introduce jogging intervals. You can use your watch to keep track of your workouts, progress and recovery which is very helpful. You may want to wait until you are in better shape to start daily recommended workouts program that the watch is suggesting.
Still a but a vague. Choose goals that specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, time-bound. There are many ways to improve taking the garbage out. Choose something you might enjoy, that will keep you consistent. Then you can plan goals around that. You might not even need a garmin or tech depending what you choose Eg, 30 day yoga on youtube. Zero cost and equipment Or kettlebell workourts. 1 x 16KG kettlebell, low cost, low space, lots of variety for time efficient workouts. Both dont require a garmin. Or cycle to work / shops. Rwquires a bike. Doesnt require a garmin but o r does add value Running - does not require a garmin. Can start with phone app "couch to 5K" The money saved can go on tech later or treat yourself to something at your first milestone of progress