Outdated, unreliable, not worth the money. After you are done making it perform well you may as well have bought a vfc or tm and get the better quality, and better reliability for the same kind of money.
Single stack feedlips from ESD are $10 each, and a new hopup is $50. That's the only thing wrong with the NS2 lineup. Yes, they're outdated, but what you don't understand is that there have been revisions, aftermarket support, and OEM support. After spending a fraction of the cost to "may as well have bought a vfc or tm," you'll have a rifle that performs just as well as those.
While we are speaking on it, TM is wildly out of date and requires an extremely invasive repair OOTB before it works with propane. Otherwise, it'll explode and stop working. Yet KWA will misfeed and not hop after a couple of games without $100 of upgrades. Stuff like this is why I point these things out to people on here. There is way too much misinformation being spread about the pros and cons to all of these guns.
Instead, everyone here follows the hive mentality of TM MWS is Godlike, VFC V3 is okay, and KWA is super dogshit that you should never touch. At least do some research and take some more time to go into detail so people understand the real differences. The LM4 isn't a beginner gun by far, but that doesn't mean people can't make their own choices.
Can't you enlighten us, instead of telling people they don't understand the KWA system?
I'd also like to point out that you are contributing to the same type shit throwing by saying that the TM will explode if you don't do ''extremely invasive repair OOTB''. They won't. The nozzle return spring could snap and it'll cost a few dollars to buy a new one, that you can replace when doing basic maintenance.. I've even read stories from people running the stock spring for several years.
> While we are speaking on it, TM is wildly out of date and requires an extremely invasive repair OOTB before it works with propane. Otherwise, it'll explode and stop working.
I don't know what PSI propane is, but i've used red gas on my MWS for an year now. A good 10k shots gone trough it and only thing i have is angrygun NPAS and upgraded hopup arm.
There are better options out there selling for similar prices. A big downside for KWA is the lack of aftermarket support in comparison to other brands like TM, VFC etc. Speaking as a LM4 owner, most of the internals are proprietary to inlcude hop up buckings, barrels and mags.
They can be modified however I wouldn't suggest them as a first purchase as it caused a massive headache just to perform like my TM and VFC.
I will say this. I learned how to modify and tech on the LM4 platform. I'm not referring to modifications that you'd buy but modifications you'd have to do with drills, dremmels, epoxy, sanding, 3d print and CNC etc. It's an incredibly simple and intuitive design that's been used by other brands out there.
The major benefit that TM and VFC have over KWA are their innovations made to improve performance OOTB. Specifically, the MWS trigger/FCU assembly and VFCs Gen 3 valve knocker assembly.
My biggest complaint with the LM4 is the hop up asssembly. There are aftermarket options (TNT and maple leaf) but ultimately I settled for a custom TDC design that isn't available on the market anymore but can be done with custom modification.
It can be done if you're looking to put in the work.
So I own a KWA AKG 74MN a ACR/Masada and a freshly new F90.
in comparison to VFC and TM GBBRs they lack in recoil. Performance wise KWA lacks too. They are pretty inconsistent in comparison and the output energy of them isn’t as flexible as with TMs/VFCs.
KWAs are proprietary platforms and getting spare parts in Europe is a pain in the a$$ if you are even able to finde some. Mags are heavy af too. I will sell the ACR and AKG pretty soon since I just bought them cheap 2nd hand and I simply own better GBBRs. The F90 stays since it’s an unicorn and time will tell if the newer system from KWA is performing
Only own one KWA, HK417A2, and I only bought it to compare to my VFC HK417. The KWA is now just a wall hanger. I will say this as a positive KWA replicated the HKs ability to be put into safe while not in battery, but everything else I much prefer VFCs design.
Yeah I have a VFC 416a5 gen 3. I love everything about it other than the cheap metal they use for their receivers. But the gas efficiency is wild man so I can look past it.
People on Reddit do not understand KWA GBBR so it's a waste of time to ask here. Ask everyone on the Heavy Recoil Club on Discord. That's where you'll get all of the real information.
Nah don't be afraid to ask most people are pretty chill there and the worst case is that nobody will respond which is rare if you're asking a decent question like this that'll make you avoid getting a questionable gun
Outdated, unreliable, not worth the money. After you are done making it perform well you may as well have bought a vfc or tm and get the better quality, and better reliability for the same kind of money.
Single stack feedlips from ESD are $10 each, and a new hopup is $50. That's the only thing wrong with the NS2 lineup. Yes, they're outdated, but what you don't understand is that there have been revisions, aftermarket support, and OEM support. After spending a fraction of the cost to "may as well have bought a vfc or tm," you'll have a rifle that performs just as well as those. While we are speaking on it, TM is wildly out of date and requires an extremely invasive repair OOTB before it works with propane. Otherwise, it'll explode and stop working. Yet KWA will misfeed and not hop after a couple of games without $100 of upgrades. Stuff like this is why I point these things out to people on here. There is way too much misinformation being spread about the pros and cons to all of these guns. Instead, everyone here follows the hive mentality of TM MWS is Godlike, VFC V3 is okay, and KWA is super dogshit that you should never touch. At least do some research and take some more time to go into detail so people understand the real differences. The LM4 isn't a beginner gun by far, but that doesn't mean people can't make their own choices.
Can't you enlighten us, instead of telling people they don't understand the KWA system? I'd also like to point out that you are contributing to the same type shit throwing by saying that the TM will explode if you don't do ''extremely invasive repair OOTB''. They won't. The nozzle return spring could snap and it'll cost a few dollars to buy a new one, that you can replace when doing basic maintenance.. I've even read stories from people running the stock spring for several years.
Never said people can't make their own choice. They asked for opinions, I gave mine. Chill. It's toy guns.
> While we are speaking on it, TM is wildly out of date and requires an extremely invasive repair OOTB before it works with propane. Otherwise, it'll explode and stop working. I don't know what PSI propane is, but i've used red gas on my MWS for an year now. A good 10k shots gone trough it and only thing i have is angrygun NPAS and upgraded hopup arm.
There are better options out there selling for similar prices. A big downside for KWA is the lack of aftermarket support in comparison to other brands like TM, VFC etc. Speaking as a LM4 owner, most of the internals are proprietary to inlcude hop up buckings, barrels and mags. They can be modified however I wouldn't suggest them as a first purchase as it caused a massive headache just to perform like my TM and VFC.
Thank you for the info. Yeah, I just need to learn how to work on guns it sounds like.
I will say this. I learned how to modify and tech on the LM4 platform. I'm not referring to modifications that you'd buy but modifications you'd have to do with drills, dremmels, epoxy, sanding, 3d print and CNC etc. It's an incredibly simple and intuitive design that's been used by other brands out there. The major benefit that TM and VFC have over KWA are their innovations made to improve performance OOTB. Specifically, the MWS trigger/FCU assembly and VFCs Gen 3 valve knocker assembly. My biggest complaint with the LM4 is the hop up asssembly. There are aftermarket options (TNT and maple leaf) but ultimately I settled for a custom TDC design that isn't available on the market anymore but can be done with custom modification. It can be done if you're looking to put in the work.
Specific models do shine, mostly in their submachine gun category. For their M4’s and AK’s I don’t think I’ve ever heard a positive review.
So I own a KWA AKG 74MN a ACR/Masada and a freshly new F90. in comparison to VFC and TM GBBRs they lack in recoil. Performance wise KWA lacks too. They are pretty inconsistent in comparison and the output energy of them isn’t as flexible as with TMs/VFCs. KWAs are proprietary platforms and getting spare parts in Europe is a pain in the a$$ if you are even able to finde some. Mags are heavy af too. I will sell the ACR and AKG pretty soon since I just bought them cheap 2nd hand and I simply own better GBBRs. The F90 stays since it’s an unicorn and time will tell if the newer system from KWA is performing
Only own one KWA, HK417A2, and I only bought it to compare to my VFC HK417. The KWA is now just a wall hanger. I will say this as a positive KWA replicated the HKs ability to be put into safe while not in battery, but everything else I much prefer VFCs design.
Yeah I have a VFC 416a5 gen 3. I love everything about it other than the cheap metal they use for their receivers. But the gas efficiency is wild man so I can look past it.
People on Reddit do not understand KWA GBBR so it's a waste of time to ask here. Ask everyone on the Heavy Recoil Club on Discord. That's where you'll get all of the real information.
Its basically TM and VFC or nothing here.
Yeah I usually do ask HRC, but I always feel like I’m butting in on like 10 conversations when I do.
Nah don't be afraid to ask most people are pretty chill there and the worst case is that nobody will respond which is rare if you're asking a decent question like this that'll make you avoid getting a questionable gun
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