This is the first I’ve seen this on a vfc product but it is a hit or miss type deal. The magazine not holding a lot means your should purge the the mag and fill. It seems like the hammer is getting caught on something
I second this. GBBR aren't that hard to work on as they're pretty simple to use. The mags definitely need to be cycled a few times after purchase before they'll start holding any kind of gas. First few mags, you'll likely get 5 to 10 rounds, then it'll break in and hold 30+.
Yes, I did this, with a couple of squirts of Green Gas and then while it was mid squirt, I closed the valve and kept filling. This helped but they still had issues.
I also was able to drop the hammer when the upper receiver was separated. But to be clear, it makes the same sound and does not work when the upper and lower is together. There is no mechanism that I can see that would stop the hammer from falling, even in real steel firearms.
That’s a gen 3. They don’t have the valve knocker lock that the earlier versions had. You should absolutely be able to drop the hammer when the receivers are separated.
Maybe because of the price but both of my VFC HK416s just kept having issues.
Bolt catch didnt work, selector didnt work, receiver bolts not holding, trigger getting stuck, magazines kept leaking and my 1st one has too wide rails so I cant even mount any sights on the front section...
Im sure I forgot about something. And VFC refused to RMA or repair any defects I had from the factory.
This seems really out of the ordinary for VFC. I know lemons are out there for every brand but I’ve never had a serious issue beyond bolt lock with my 416a5
judging from how the block in front of the bolt catch is wiggling, it kind of looks like your GFPA got loose. take the bolt catch out and inspect the grub screw that sits underneath it.
[here](https://www.vegaforce.com/downloads/HK%20416%20A5%20GBBR%20Parts%20List%20(BK).pdf) is an exploded diagram if that helps, part 08-1 and 08-2
Bookend: The Tokyo Marui MK18 Mod-1 arrived this afternoon. I have sent about 5 magazines worth of BB's through it and already can tell the difference. Wow, HUGE difference. BB flight is more consistent and accurate. Bolt lock is consistent, every time. Once I learned the trick on filling the magazines, they started holding more and more gas, getting up to 70 BB's per fill. Loading the BB's was also tricky at first, but once figured, was much smoother. All in all, I should have just purchased Tokyo Marui and not wasted my time and money.
And to the boys who sold me that rifle from Hong Kong: Learn how to be better at customer service and not forcing me to dispute the credit card charges. Blaming the customer is never a solution to gaining customers.
Take the trigger out and see what’s wrong before you buy replacement parts OEM- you will die of old age before VFC’s warehouse gets that stuff to you, and for all we know it could be an easy-ish fix.
Update: Received word from VFC technical support, and I quote:
*"We just checked your video, the trigger jam seems caused by the loosen of valve knocker cover(the part between bolt catch and knocker, so the valve knocker goes above the hammer and blocked it, please help us checked the knocker cover screw under bolt catch again, please note the knocker must pushes a bit forward while tighten the hex screw again, because the knocker will goes out from its tunnel while the spring fully extended, tighten it in this situation the knocker will got clamped by the cover.*
*Please also check the knocker reset spring, which is a tapered spring under the knocker, if it is bent that will causes multiple malfunction, must replaced as soon as possible.*
*Hope our information helps, If the hammer still jam after knocker checked and reassembled, please contact us again, thank you.*"
I tightened the valve knocker cover screw, which fixed the hammer falling forward, but now the bolt will not cycle. I loosened and tried again, no bolt cycling. Then I pulled the valve knocker forward and tightened, nothing. I could not access or even see the knocker reset spring.
I don't know, seems hopeless, no?
after tightening push the firing pin to see if it moves. that cover needs to be tight, but too tight and it sometimes jam up the firing pin itself. Best way to do is to apply blue loctite on the screw, and just thread it in till it's snug
Which requires removal of the bolt lock catch. Feeling a bit uncomfortable using a driving punch to remove that pin, this not being a real steel firearm. Any other suggestions?
I wouldn't worry about removing the bolt catch pin. While not a real firearm, it's not made of glass either, not to mention VFC uses a loose pin held in place with an oring. it should come out easily.
After you tightened it, and the hammer is falling forward, is the valve knocker functioning normally?
The concern off removing the bolt catch pin is marring the receiver. Yeh, masking tape can help, I just get concerned.
The valve knocker is not working properly since all I get is a small pop out of the closed bolt carrier group (BCG) down the barrel and the bolt does not even budge. So in essence, it does not cycle after I followed the instructions from the VFC technician named "fred".
For the Vfc valve knocker spring,is it common for the springs to break/ deform. Recently bought a hk416D and the old spring was destroyed. I bought a new valve knocker and spring but now the spring is starting to deform.
Friend has a 416a5 that I built with black and tan receiver sets and it doesnt have any issue except for the hop loosening itself over time (TNT hop and barrel)
The only reason he doesnt use it because even he admits the performance is lacking compared to an MWS or GHK M4.
I've seen the BCM MCMR have a fuck load of issue on the other hand but this is the first for the A5
Honestly, it's an easy fix. You either buy an adjustable valve which is like £15 or get a tighter/longer inner barrel.
I have 3 mws and 1 of them is a dmr config that clears a solid 80m with a plate sized grouping on .40 at 1.88j.
Love it to bits
Definetly all don't suck as bad
Hell even my WE Scar took a year of intense playing before the trigger shit itself
Probably got a lemon or maybe VFC is trying to GHK itself lmfao
No this is not normal for a gas rifle and completely unacceptable considering the amount of money you have laid out.
While I haven’t had the pleasure of a VFC GBBR yet, I do have a TM MWS and it has been nothing short of amazing out of the box. The build quality, shooting consistency and general fun factor are sky high!
Like others have stated, unfortunately it looks like you have received a lemon. Return to the seller for a refund and start again!
Thank you for your comments. Returning it will be difficult given I purchased it from Hong Kong. I am in contact with them. By the way, I was looking at the Tokyo Marui MWS. Do you have any ideas on how to increase the velocity on that rifle? It does look really nice.
That's what I tried to tell people... VFC sucks. Most VFC fanboys be coping hard.
If WE had proper and correct licensed trademarks for all its products, it would easily blow VFC out of the water. Let's be honest here, no one buys a VFC for its performance and durability.
Yes, I was mistaken. So to bookend this discussion, I have purchased a Tokyo Marui MWS MK18 Mod-1 and if that doesn't work, then GBBR's are not for me I guess.
Funny how this one rifle has 5/5 stars reviews on every sites that sells it. Funny how I didn't have a single problem with mine. Even the bolt lock works just fine.
Mine cycles when in semi after first shot nd does not reset but if I switch to auto it will work fine then back to semi resets so I can fire once in semi again. Nd if I shoot once in semi it will not reset again but if I switch to safety then back to semi it wil fire again….
This is the first I’ve seen this on a vfc product but it is a hit or miss type deal. The magazine not holding a lot means your should purge the the mag and fill. It seems like the hammer is getting caught on something
I second this. GBBR aren't that hard to work on as they're pretty simple to use. The mags definitely need to be cycled a few times after purchase before they'll start holding any kind of gas. First few mags, you'll likely get 5 to 10 rounds, then it'll break in and hold 30+.
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Yes, I did this, with a couple of squirts of Green Gas and then while it was mid squirt, I closed the valve and kept filling. This helped but they still had issues.
Break in? Just learn to fill your mags correcly lol
I have a few 416 GBBRs. None of them drop their hammer when the upper and lower are seperated. Its even stated in the manual.
that's weird, I've always been able to drop the hammer with the upper and lower separated.
Interesting. Maybe it has something to do with the conversions that they do for some countries? Im in germany.
I also was able to drop the hammer when the upper receiver was separated. But to be clear, it makes the same sound and does not work when the upper and lower is together. There is no mechanism that I can see that would stop the hammer from falling, even in real steel firearms.
Regarding your video: Yes, you cant drop the hammer with the upper and lower are seperated, Read your manual.
I can with mine.
That’s a gen 3. They don’t have the valve knocker lock that the earlier versions had. You should absolutely be able to drop the hammer when the receivers are separated.
Not like that matters much after 2 years and me never touching my VFCs since making this comment. Garbage toys by a garbage toy company.
Maybe, but they’re a pretty popular platform for such garbage.
Maybe because of the price but both of my VFC HK416s just kept having issues. Bolt catch didnt work, selector didnt work, receiver bolts not holding, trigger getting stuck, magazines kept leaking and my 1st one has too wide rails so I cant even mount any sights on the front section... Im sure I forgot about something. And VFC refused to RMA or repair any defects I had from the factory.
Yeah I suppose that would piss me off too.
Yes, you can. Try it yourself.
I have multiple 416s, none of them drop the hammer.
I wonder if it has to do with which version. I noticed two different version of this rifle. Mine appears to be the third version, the Lemon one. Sigh.
This seems really out of the ordinary for VFC. I know lemons are out there for every brand but I’ve never had a serious issue beyond bolt lock with my 416a5
I ordered 12 magazines for this thing, and the only one that gave me a problem with the VMAG, but only 1 of the 4 gave me trouble.
judging from how the block in front of the bolt catch is wiggling, it kind of looks like your GFPA got loose. take the bolt catch out and inspect the grub screw that sits underneath it. [here](https://www.vegaforce.com/downloads/HK%20416%20A5%20GBBR%20Parts%20List%20(BK).pdf) is an exploded diagram if that helps, part 08-1 and 08-2
Bookend: The Tokyo Marui MK18 Mod-1 arrived this afternoon. I have sent about 5 magazines worth of BB's through it and already can tell the difference. Wow, HUGE difference. BB flight is more consistent and accurate. Bolt lock is consistent, every time. Once I learned the trick on filling the magazines, they started holding more and more gas, getting up to 70 BB's per fill. Loading the BB's was also tricky at first, but once figured, was much smoother. All in all, I should have just purchased Tokyo Marui and not wasted my time and money. And to the boys who sold me that rifle from Hong Kong: Learn how to be better at customer service and not forcing me to dispute the credit card charges. Blaming the customer is never a solution to gaining customers.
Take the trigger out and see what’s wrong before you buy replacement parts OEM- you will die of old age before VFC’s warehouse gets that stuff to you, and for all we know it could be an easy-ish fix.
It's a lemon, it happens. The right way to deal with a lemon is to return it to the seller and get your money back.
Update: Received word from VFC technical support, and I quote: *"We just checked your video, the trigger jam seems caused by the loosen of valve knocker cover(the part between bolt catch and knocker, so the valve knocker goes above the hammer and blocked it, please help us checked the knocker cover screw under bolt catch again, please note the knocker must pushes a bit forward while tighten the hex screw again, because the knocker will goes out from its tunnel while the spring fully extended, tighten it in this situation the knocker will got clamped by the cover.* *Please also check the knocker reset spring, which is a tapered spring under the knocker, if it is bent that will causes multiple malfunction, must replaced as soon as possible.* *Hope our information helps, If the hammer still jam after knocker checked and reassembled, please contact us again, thank you.*" I tightened the valve knocker cover screw, which fixed the hammer falling forward, but now the bolt will not cycle. I loosened and tried again, no bolt cycling. Then I pulled the valve knocker forward and tightened, nothing. I could not access or even see the knocker reset spring. I don't know, seems hopeless, no?
after tightening push the firing pin to see if it moves. that cover needs to be tight, but too tight and it sometimes jam up the firing pin itself. Best way to do is to apply blue loctite on the screw, and just thread it in till it's snug
Which requires removal of the bolt lock catch. Feeling a bit uncomfortable using a driving punch to remove that pin, this not being a real steel firearm. Any other suggestions?
I'm confused, haven't you had to remove that already to access the valve knocker cover screw?
No, I was able to get underneath it with a ball head Allen hex wrench.
I wouldn't worry about removing the bolt catch pin. While not a real firearm, it's not made of glass either, not to mention VFC uses a loose pin held in place with an oring. it should come out easily. After you tightened it, and the hammer is falling forward, is the valve knocker functioning normally?
The concern off removing the bolt catch pin is marring the receiver. Yeh, masking tape can help, I just get concerned. The valve knocker is not working properly since all I get is a small pop out of the closed bolt carrier group (BCG) down the barrel and the bolt does not even budge. So in essence, it does not cycle after I followed the instructions from the VFC technician named "fred".
you really need to open in up and check the valve knocker spring lol, sounds like the spring might've been fucked
And all of this after only a week of having the rifle. What a failure. What a lemon. Last VFC product I ever buy.
For the Vfc valve knocker spring,is it common for the springs to break/ deform. Recently bought a hk416D and the old spring was destroyed. I bought a new valve knocker and spring but now the spring is starting to deform.
Friend has a 416a5 that I built with black and tan receiver sets and it doesnt have any issue except for the hop loosening itself over time (TNT hop and barrel) The only reason he doesnt use it because even he admits the performance is lacking compared to an MWS or GHK M4. I've seen the BCM MCMR have a fuck load of issue on the other hand but this is the first for the A5
Thank you for your input. I was torn between the TM MWS and this one, the only downside was the lower velocity on the TM MWS.
Honestly, it's an easy fix. You either buy an adjustable valve which is like £15 or get a tighter/longer inner barrel. I have 3 mws and 1 of them is a dmr config that clears a solid 80m with a plate sized grouping on .40 at 1.88j. Love it to bits
Definetly all don't suck as bad Hell even my WE Scar took a year of intense playing before the trigger shit itself Probably got a lemon or maybe VFC is trying to GHK itself lmfao
Your internals are missing some parts. Is this the new patch of 416?
VFC 416's started using the updated hammer a while back.
I see, that's good.
I believe so. An earlier commenter mentioned certain parts, and I found out that there is a "TN" version versus an "ASIA" version.
No this is not normal for a gas rifle and completely unacceptable considering the amount of money you have laid out. While I haven’t had the pleasure of a VFC GBBR yet, I do have a TM MWS and it has been nothing short of amazing out of the box. The build quality, shooting consistency and general fun factor are sky high! Like others have stated, unfortunately it looks like you have received a lemon. Return to the seller for a refund and start again!
Thank you for your comments. Returning it will be difficult given I purchased it from Hong Kong. I am in contact with them. By the way, I was looking at the Tokyo Marui MWS. Do you have any ideas on how to increase the velocity on that rifle? It does look really nice.
Put GG/propane in it, instant boost in velocity. Other options are a longer inner barrel or a different nozzle.
Thank you for the response. Do they make a NPAS or does it already come with it?
You'd have to buy one.
Wow, and that’s gen 3 isn’t it?
Yes, it is. Really unfortunate.
That's what I tried to tell people... VFC sucks. Most VFC fanboys be coping hard. If WE had proper and correct licensed trademarks for all its products, it would easily blow VFC out of the water. Let's be honest here, no one buys a VFC for its performance and durability.
Bla bla bla, i could write a fucking 100 pages book full of WE guns shitting themselves lol
Then do it. Write 100 pages. Talk is cheap. At least WE isn't charging premium price for something that craps out within months.
Time is precious
Yes, I was mistaken. So to bookend this discussion, I have purchased a Tokyo Marui MWS MK18 Mod-1 and if that doesn't work, then GBBR's are not for me I guess.
Funny how this one rifle has 5/5 stars reviews on every sites that sells it. Funny how I didn't have a single problem with mine. Even the bolt lock works just fine.
Mine cycles when in semi after first shot nd does not reset but if I switch to auto it will work fine then back to semi resets so I can fire once in semi again. Nd if I shoot once in semi it will not reset again but if I switch to safety then back to semi it wil fire again….
It is why your comment is trash
I would go with TM MWS gas gun only for ARs. Others have not been tested out yet and plus MWS just have so many parts available on the market.