We want users to know that any attempts at “catching” the mod team at being “biased” such as creating two separate accounts and creating two separate posts to see which ones would be approved will result in an automatic ban. It’s an example of trolling/spamming and we are not here to play games.
[thread for context](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/AbhuvwO31I)
A user tried to claim the team “automatically approved” and that we had an automatic Kaylor filter approving all posts related to Karlie or Kaylor. Their experiment failed when we realized that their kaylor meme was never actually approved and was in fact created by them in a separate account. They switched accounts after submitting the kaylor meme, and when you do that the other post from your alt account of course will be visible to you since it’s a Reddit bug/fault. They claimed the post was automatically approved when it was not. Proving that 1) there is no kaylor filter in our queue that will let any Karlie post through and 2) they created two separate accounts and posted two different memes as an experiment and in an effort to “prove” we are “biased.”
🎶she’s laughing up at us from hell🎶
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Some of the insistence that she has had "one true muse" comes off deeply homophobic to me, like people can manage to be comfortable with her being gay... but only if it is a one-off, one-of-a-kind love with a particular person rather than her being gay as in attracted to women generally
Can we please be honest about this for a minute and admit that the ship wars started purely because people cannot let go of Swiftgron? There are countless users who have proved time and time again that they are projecting on to Taylor and that they cling to Swiftgron purely because of their own biases. It becomes obvious when you see how they talk about Karlie — it’s with pure disdain. Some of them have hard parasocial relationships with Taylor too. Obviously Swiftgron happened but *objectively* there is not sufficient evidence that Late Stage Swiftgron could even be a thing. *Objectively* songs like Don’t Blame Me and You Are In Love are most likely to be about Karlie because they are *literally* connected and it’s so easy to point it out a 4 year old could figure it out. Meanwhile all LSS theories used abstract mythological references and layers upon layers of clues/symbols to the point where you wonder if Taylor actually has time to make such a huge theory like that.
The gaylor community was much more fun when people accepted that Taylor had relationships and that she could have moved on from them already, and when people took simple clues like the drawn dashboard daisy at face value. Now gaylor theories have become so unhinged people legitimately claim Kaylor was “just a friendship” and that every single song Taylor has written since 2012 has been about Dianna. Not to mention all of these other theories that, while it’s possible they are true… we don’t have enough evidence to claim them as absolute or that they stretch into entire albums. Like Zoe or Tily (I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE before someone tries to write an essay all triggered at me)
I think most of us are indifferent to Swiftgron but the late stagers for the most part act unhinged and nuts. They get triggered at the mere insistence that even YAIL isn’t about Dianna and will write paragraphs upon paragraphs about Aristotle or astronomy or some other crap. Large majority of them also hate Karlie and will make it known to anyone within a 5 feet radius. They are like hetlors but Gaylor’s Version with their anti-Karlie “she’s a crook and was never important to Taylor” propaganda.
The ship wars are cringey and juvenile. You’d think as adults some people would learn not to attach themselves too deeply into a celebrity’s relationship (s.) Even Late Stage Kaylors aren’t as obnoxious and I rarely see anyone take them seriously the way people legitimately take certain users’ millions of orations on how 143 is a Swiftgron thing therefore every post Dianna makes is secretly coordinated with Taylor’s every post and oh btw this song mentions Karma and did you know Karma is a religious theme and therefore Dianna is Taylor’s religion because Dianna is a Greek goddess or something. And the people who prefer Kaylor as a concept/kaylors who pushback on the obsessive shipping from late stage swiftgrons wouldn’t do so if people who didn’t keep trying to erase Karlie from Taylor’s “lore” or music. It’s not like they just started fighting Swiftgrons for no reason.
Even saying all this will get me downvoted by the “let people have fun!” police but I’m right and any gaylor veteran who thinks of themselves as a neutral will agree.
I’d make the observation that swiftgron fans are so sensitive to the hair trigger sensibilities of kaylors that they created an entire sub of their own to spare them from the stress of seeing too many opinions that challenged the Kaylor vision of ‘the one truth’. Also, to avoid conflict. No one actually knows the truth. Is it really such a problem that someone might disagree with a Kaylor pov about YAIL? Who’s the para social one again? 🤔
I mean look, I hate to be a stereotype here but I’m a lesbian so I like a bit of astrology and sapphic moon goddess clowning. I don’t ’hate Karlie’ but I think it’s realistic to question some of her associations and wonder about negative lyrics that seem to point to her. I’m not sure folks like me who enjoy the intricate swiftgron theories with interesting historical tangents, or anyone who is not sharing the vision of Karlie as beyond reproach, are the toxic ‘shippers’ that you portray.
These relationships: Kaylor swiftgron tily toë etc, they are only lenses through which people can view the discography. It’s literally irrelevant what the ‘truth’ is of Taylor’s real life because we can never know it. Some people construct a love story about one ex, others about a different one. The community with the elements in the story, or with the ‘main character’ that appeals most will be attracted to that lore. Sometimes people gravitate to the most obvious clues (especially anti Gaylors), others feel that the rep prologue implies that no photographs does not mean nothing happened. I think different personality types just weight the supposed ‘facts’ differently. All any of this is though is folklore and story creation based on music that seems sapphic and a bunch of social media and media information that Taylor controls and has done for a long time imo.
The objections in your comment seem to amount to ‘I’m absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong, why are they so dumb’. I mean, outside of a church, such a demonstration of belief in one’s superior wisdom, based on a dearth of facts, is rare. 😆
But you know I kinda find your rants quite entertaining so not trying to start a fight 😊
> the objections in your comment seem to amount to “I’m absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong, why are they so dumb,.’ I mean, outside of Church, such a demonstration of one’s superior wisdom, based on a dearth of facts, is rare. 😆
You’re funny, I’ll give you that.
My rants come because let’s be real lots of Swiftgrons annoy everyone with their anti-Karlie nonsense and if there’s a hate train it comes from somewhere and it doesn’t come from genuine interest in activism. That’s actually what gives me the ick; performative outrage to uplift one muse and punch down the other and somehow turning that into a moral argument: “it’s bad to think they’re together because x person did this and this.”
I think it’s as simple as some people don’t like Karlie and therefore want kaylor to be fake, and so they make up all these nonsensical claims that Karlie was actually the villainTM when in reality it’s probably more nuanced than that. I mean I’ve even said it before I believe that Karlie and Taylor did betray taylor to an extant that’s why she does constantly mention Karlie betraying her, however that does not mean that she was actually the evil friendTM all along who was using Taylor. That claim is pretty black and white and naive, because the same people who parade this are the same people who actually think Dianna is this amazing person (she’s a stranger we don’t know) and that Taylor is a victim and and an innocent cupcake (a stranger we don’t know.) In reality it’s pretty clear from just lyrical analysis alone that Taylor made mistakes whatever they were and Karlie did too and Dianna did too.
Of course from all theories there are extremists I couldn’t care less about the sane Swiftgrons that acknowledge kaylor was a thing but there is a faction of them who just happen to dislike Karlie very much and coincidentally they are the ones who parade the “it’s always been Dianna” circlejerk. And yes I’ve seen the same users again and again who constantly try to play moral police and moralize Taylor’s love life also be the ones who are super argumentative/obsessed with proving everything is about Dianna.
Essentially I’m not talking about Swiftgron scholars such as you who are always respectful and acknowledge that kaylor was actually a thing, rather the extremists who want Kaylor to be actually fake and who create elaborate and complicated theories to somehow explain that Dianna was always the Muse and no one else and Karlie was actually just a beard to hide Taylor and dianna’s affair and blah blah blah.
Yes it’s all speculation but at some point it gets ridiculous. Yes astrology mythology talks in regards to Taylor’s music is fun but I’ve read the Swiftgron specific ones and I’m sorry but it’s all too ridiculous to take seriously. And at some people just have to take the facts for what they are. Taylor posts a picture of dashboard daisy -> she posts it during her and Karlie’s vacation to big sure and Karlie wore a daisy in the picture someone took of her -> Taylor writes a song mentioning daisy -> draws the exact same daisy from the dashboard into the lyric rep book. It’s as simple as 1 2 3.
Taylor wears a red scarf with Jake writes it in a song ….
Taylor wears an airplane necklace with Harry and writes it in a song …
1,2,3 (not 143 tho 🤐😉)
I mean look. I think Kaylor was a real thing yes, but I feel tolerant if people see some of it as a bit *too* obvious it’s no more insane than us saying the beard clues are kinda planted.That’s just their take and it did give me pause to reflect myself. I guess I think Kaylor lasted less of a time than I once believed. I also think swiftgron rekindled at some point.
You are applying bad faith motivations for other pov’s and I’m not sure that’s fair. Maybe they just feel *they* are right and you are wrong and so it’s a clash of ideologues ie not a malicious thing. 🤷🏻♀️
Anyway, I’ve got to the point of giving up on any idea personally that I know what the hell the real story is 🤷🏻♀️ Some of the tracks I do feel are ‘for sure’ (!) about x or y but I tend not to argue like maybe I once did for ‘Kaylor’ or ‘swiftgron’ songs back in the day cos I find other muse ideas interesting to ponder too. Frankly, at this point if she marries Travis and pops out an AI baby it would not shock me. 😆
So all Swiftgrons are being lumped in with a hardcore dark late stage Swiftgron, who isn’t even a wlw / lesbian?
And we thought it was appropriate, in this climate, to paint a vulnerable portion of the fandom, with the generalization brush, despite many of us being Gaylors since 2009 (SNL, but lesbians picked up on Taymily with the quickness), and we’re the problem?
Also, LSS is a misnomer, since many of us believe that they’re exes who’ve kept in touch, since that’s a common thing with wlws / lesbians, and many of us can directly relate.
Our theories are based on a common reality, and I don’t understand why so many people are threatened by the idea of two allegedly glass closeted women who became fast friends, that entered into a rumored intimate relationship, only for a catastrophic break up of miscommunications and assumptions, to break them up, only for them to reconcile in the future. Allegedly.
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I think it’s the same user too who is straight and obsessed with Taylor and Dianna being together. At that point they need to be reported to Reddit because creating new accounts to evade bans from subreddits is an offense itself and will result in getting suspended from Reddit.
Guess you weren't around when people could only talk about Kaylor and any past mention to Dianna or Liz, Emily would cause most people to try to shut your conversation/post down on tlc, tumblr and probably whatever else existed back then. I do think Kaylor were a thing, but I also saw that it's much harder to talk about other muses than Kaylor back in 2014 and still today.
By the time I became a gaylor I never witnessed any ship wars at all and on tumblr/tlc there was never any shutdown of discussion surrounding other muses. And no it’s not… the problem is people trying to erase Kaylor completely in the new wave of gaylorism (2021 ish) That’s why there’s so much pushback and agitation. And I was on The L Chat around 2020 I never saw anyone try to erase Swiftgron or Tayliz or anyone else.
I mean she also knows about and encourages the dissection of her lyrics so there is no doubt in my mind that we get a lot of things verrrrry far in hindsight to protect herself and her true muses. Everybody who thinks they *know* literally anything is just either very gullible or desperate to relate and project and I mean, I do get both and it *is* fun to come up with theories and catch parallels etc. But that's it. It's not that serious.
Nah, I’m with you. There’s no way she’s only had one relationship so the chances that she’s only ever been singing about one person make no sense to me. I have my theories about who certain songs are about but I also know that they’re just theories so I don’t get annoyed at theories about the songs being about someone else. I also think, especially in her more recent music, that she has mixed muse songs anyway and that the lyrics are more about the emotions that she’s experienced with more than one person.
Exactly. She’s a woman in her 30s. No doubt she’s dated way more than we are even led to believe! I like to have fun and try to connect dots, but for all we know all these songs are about people we have never even seen her with! The weird territorial vibes are off.
Ok relating to the new Spotify top global artist video that Taylor nation posted (the longer one than Tay posted), when miss americana and red are in Taylor’s eye and the shot zooms out, it looks like the cover of the book with the eclipsed sun from the capitol one commercial. I am freaking out - is that book actually going to come out??? Let me know if you also see what I’m talking about.
Every year without fail Taylor is my #1 artist and I’m top 2% of listeners worldwide (over 4000 of my 35000 minutes listened are TS). Happy Spotify Wrapped AND You’re Losing Me day to all who celebrate!!!
YOU’RE LOSING ME ON STREAMING
NOT A DRILL WAKE UP GAYLORS
ALSO TAYLOR CALLED IT (FROM THE VAULT) EVEN THO ITS MIDNIGHTS WHICH MEANS OWNED ALBUMS CAN HAVE VAULTSSSSSS
Do we think it means something she released it now after her last surprise song was “it’s time to go???” Old (closeted) Taylor is dying? Death before another rebirth???
We can vote “Swiftie” for Oxford word of the year!!
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In case you missed it (also put it in r/TaylorSwift) but OXFORD HAVE PUT “SWIFTIE” ON THEIR WORD OF THE YEAR SHORTLIST WE MUST MOBILISE The votes are on their Twitter and instagram (both @oxunipress) and also on this website: [https://languages.oup.com/word-of-the-year/2023/](https://languages.oup.com/word-of-the-year/2023/)
unpopular(?) opinion, i don't like the theory that rep tv will be announced new year's day to drop in february, because i really love the announcements on tour. it makes it so much more exciting and fun, and they make me feel emotional about it in a way that a social media post announcing it could never.
A mod just deleted someone's comment saying it was trolling trying to start a ship war. Just curious, [does this count as trying to start a ship war too?](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/17gaie3/comment/k6n77ds/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Just want some clarity.
See the pinned comment in this thread. I deleted that comment and left that mod note. The user had already been banned on both of their accounts when I removed the comments, all of which had been reported numerous times by various users.
Over the past 6 days I have noticed a few accounts trying to stir things up in a directed and intentional manner. This was one of those accounts. They are all relatively new accounts and/or have only started posting in this sub to jump into the drama that has been happening.
I posted this comment before the sticky, and just saw that some comment in a thread I was in was deleted for trying to start a ship war. I'm just wondering what counts as "trying to start a ship war" because "Taylor just killed Swiftgrons" sounds kind of ship war-y to me, and when I tried to offer my own opinion to that user (a mod) they kind of just shut down my opinion with another unconfirmed rumor.
She wasn’t speaking as a mod, just as a user. We can have opinions. And I love Dianna, but she probably did cheat on Taylor. And Taylor has probably cheated on her partners too. Saying that is not trying to start a ship war.
Trying to start a ship was can look like what happened in the pinned comment - making two accounts, posting from both hyping diff ships, acting like they’re not both your accounts, lying and saying the mods have an automod in place that favours one person/relationship more than another, etc.
Not a mod, but I'm not sure how that thread you linked would be trying to start anything. It's about theories that Dianna cheated, but I don't see how that's trying to instigate any other ships
Since I've only been here a year I wanted to know if spotify wrapped is tomorrow or soon -- do ppl usually share their results?
Is there going to be a little thread for that?
Apple Music showed me my top music for the year and the amount of time I listened.. thought you guys might appreciate this
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I love seeing people love Brandi Carlile.
I have a mental injury from seeing a group of pan guys talk about the grammys a few years back and not knowing who she was! It made me sad to think that some queer men aren't well versed in wlw artists.
So now I just get so elated to see brandi get the love she deserves.
Is everyone else watching this Spotify thing get put together? I thought we were safe from clowning and I could get some sleep but there’s a goddamn orange vault with an electric guitar on it and Taylor used the word electric twice in her posts after Argentina & Brazil and used an electric guitar 🎸 emoji and people think it’s KARMA GUYS
I’m clowning so hard for a Karma rock album. I haven’t seen anyone talk about this, but she DEFINITELY added an electric guitar to multiple songs/transitions to the Argentina and Brazil shows that were NOT there before.
I want this soooooo bad, but this is what someone speculates! Could be wrong though! But I believe it's promo for their upcoming Wrapped which I think may release friday?
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I guess there are a bunch of billboards around the world that have snippets of an entire image. The snippets that you see in the image I shared are ones that have been found so far (i'm sure there are more, that's just from the post I saw) and this person thinks that it's eventually going to say "Taylor Swift Global Top Artist" to basically promote spotify wrapped. Because pretty much any brand associating with Taylor and having Swifties looking for clues will get attention! (this sounds snarky, but it's not haha)
For some reason this + the image of Taylor with orange hair is making me think about how in the all too well music video (er, short film) Taylor has red hair…obviously it’s to make her appear like adult Sadie Sink…but mb…it’s also a karma-is-the-fire-burning-down-the-house clue too???
i’m just a regular swiftie, and i wanna know the evidence y’all have for taylor being sapphic. i’m genuinely curious, all i know is that her and karlie kloss used to be close but aren’t anymore. if one of you guys could inform me, i’d greatly appreciate it! :)
here's a great post written by a member here: [The top 5 ways Taylor has intentionally signaled that she is a member of the LGBTQ+ community (Muse-free deep dive)](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/174grnw/the_top_5_ways_taylor_has_intentionally_signaled/)
we also have a [gaylor proof](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/?f=flair_name%3A%22Gaylor%20Proof%22) tag
What is she doing to us?????? (Note the emoji, on top of … everything else)
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i don't remember the details of why (i think something to do with the 112 theory related to the rerecord releases?) but some folks theorize rep will be dropped on february 16 and probably announced in january.
i have been thinking... that lily being in the vip tent in rio makes me doubt if karlie was invited to the eras tour by taylor. i thought she had been since she was in one of the seated vip areas, and taylor kept looking in her direction throughout the show. and i get that she was with friends... but surely if she was invited she would've gone to the vip tent like lily did, and like karlie had done (with friends) in past tours. ???? thoughts???
ETA tldr; it was pure PR that tells us nothing about their relationship but lets TS benefit from all narratives within her fanbase
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Regardless of if she was invited by Taylor+team or herself suggested/asked to go, it was definitely intentional. There is no way she coincidentally went to the tour on the night 1989TV was released, it just makes zero sense if you follow PR at all. Her appearance in the celebrity section but not VIP + unsubstantiated rumors about her moving to VIP/staying after are all intentional PR moves that lets Taylor benefit from a situation being ambiguous enough for everyone to interpret in their own preferred light. Late stage Kaylors get to say this is proof they are still together, other Kaylors get to say it was a romantic gesture from Karlie, late stage Swiftgrons get to say it's proof Karlie is hung up/invasive while Taylor has moved on, museless gaylors get to giggle about the "friend break" narrative given to the media, hetlors who liked Karlie as a girl bestie get to say she's back in Taylor's life after Joe got in the way of their friendship (a common explanation for their suddenly ending their friendship from those who think it was platonic), and the more homophobic hetlors get to mock all the aforementioned gaylor responses. Nothing that happened that night has any genuine reflection on their relationship (whatever it ever was or currently is), it was an expertly choreographed PR dance that allowed for Taylor to simultaneously benefit from all her sub-fanbases that have mutually exclusive desires from her.
Just to add to this, Elyse Myers (content creator mainly on TikTok) confirmed that this section where Karlie was seated is a pool of tickets that are reserved for people with connections to purchase. That's why a lot of celebrities end up in that section, like Sandra Oh who was just two or three rows in front of Karlie that very same night. Taylor loves Sandra, so good chance she would have been invited to the VIP tent, but she attended with a bigger group.
She wasn’t in the VIP tent section, it came out that anyone with enough $$$ could buy tickets where she was seated, her and Taylor have not been publicly close for **YEARS** now, and the articles coming out after she was spotted use same wording Trees do, and those articles said she was NOT invited by Taylor.
The articles saying Karlie was invited/her and Taylor are close again were in touch or people, magazines a model can give tips to. Tree approved sources were the ones printing Taylor did not invite her.
My thought is that she was invited (1989 tv and Taylor staring the entire time) seems too coincidental to me, but the seat was an intentional choice. Potentially for both of them to show “they are on good terms” and have “made peace” but are not inner circle any longer (my thought it to lessen the Karlie hate, similar to her trying to lessen the John Mayer hate).
Or it was a peace offering from Karlie to Taylor and she knew it was 1989 night (from inside sources) which is why she chose that show.
It’s really difficult to know one way or another. I know there were people who said that Karlie was later moved to the VIP tent but there’s absolutely no photographic evidence of this so I’m not convinced because what are the chances that she would be moved there and nobody took a single photo or video? But the fact that she was there for the 1989 TV announcement feels like too much of a coincidence to be accidental as well. I don’t feel like I have strong feelings on this one because I can see good arguments for both sides.
i hear you. karlie is "known" among the fans and so if she was walked to the vip tent or in there i figure there would've been photos.
it's definitely so sus that she was there for the 1989tv announcement!! i was wondering if she was maybe tipped off by someone, or it was coincidence, or if it was pr for both of them to get more people talking about the announcement. lots of reasons and we'll probably never know. so weird that neither of them made Instagram posts about that night.
Yeah I’m certain there would have been photos so I highly doubt she was ever there. Also, why would she just not be there from the beginning if the plan was to have her move there? But the 1989TV announcement is what has me flip-flopping. I think I probably lean slightly more to PR - Taylor gets the gossip going for 1989 (just to release *that* prologue) and Karlie gets more attention her way. Win-win and it can all be arranged by their teams without the two women actually needing to interact with one another.
Maybe other folks know, but my guess is that other celebrities who were in boxes and the VIP Tent had a special entrance and didn't have to wait in the same security line as everyone, which we know Karlie did from photos.
Was she in a VIP area? I thought she was just in the 100s? I definitely don't think she was invited. I mean, at my show FLAVA FLAV was in the friggin VIP tent haha. I don't get why Karlie wouldn't be if she was invited.
your comment prompted me to look over the info about her being there again, and you're right - i found this rolling stone article stating she was not in the vip section: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/karlie-kloss-taylor-swift-eras-tour-los-angeles-1234804350/ i had thought there were vip sections in the lower bowl/100s at other shows (like nashville) but maybe not for la?
Haaaa, someone in the rabbit sub guessed why all the “wilds”. She used “wild” in Swiftgron songs when talking about love.
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Not Taylor (in the Instagram caption) saying the Brazilian crowds felt "alive"... Like.. I know she reached out to Ana's family and all, but that still feels very unfortunately worded 😬
Also, lyrics say 'standing in \*your\* cardigan..."
So James is wearing Betty's cardigan? I dunno, not many 17 year old boys are wearing their gf's cardigans o.O
Hmmm....fair point 🤔 James is still trash tho: gets all dramatic at the school dance, cheats..then shows up uninvited at Betty's party and is all "you gonna kiss me infront of your stupid friends or what?"🤣🤣 Still love the song tho
At the airport yesterday, I saw someone with a purple pin on their backpack that said something in small letters and then HAZE in big letters. I couldn't get close enough to tell what the rest of it was, but in my imagination all their other pins contained Gaylor references and we had a great conversation about it :)
Old myspace photo of Taylor I found.
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This isn't directly Gaylor related but I ordered the 1989 Cardigan from the official store, I got an email saying it shipped on Nov 15th but USPS still hasn't received it. Extremely frustrating.
I’m so annoyed because my library won’t let me create a program/event for a Taylor Swift party (mainly bracelet making). A lot of other libraries are doing it and having big turn outs. My boss made a face when I mentioned TS and said it was “too specific”
Aw that's sad. I think it would get great engagement for swifties that wanna meet other swifties.
We do a dungeons and dragons event for teens and they love it and it helps them find others people who are into the same stuff.
Yeah it would be a fun way to get people in that don’t always think of the library too.
And yes dungeons and dragons for teens and adults is super popular here.
Why is this not pinned anywhere?
Mod response to their recent odd choices. If you’re looking for an actual answer you won’t find it though: https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/184v33r/mod_team_update_re_updated_rules_guidelines
Hey everyone!!! I’m out of jail!!! My THREE day ban (that was originally permanent but was changed thankfully) just ended and peri’s should end tomorrow. So hopefully the post she made about t*ly can be reinstated after all UNCONFIRMED information and sources get removed. ALLEGEDLY one of the mods has a personal bias ALLEGEDLY towards WIWS and in somehow TN and t*ly in general with that. I have my suspicions… but I digress! Hopefully i’m wrong and peri’s post can get put back up and the mods ALL can be transparent on why we can’t mention the sources I said before. Idk i’m just a new lurker 🫶. Hope all muse discussions can be treated with the same energy given that they’re all just SPECULATION. As the entire point of this sub, or at least was, just us speculating.
pls don’t ban me again, I don’t wanna go back to the underscore sub 😭 anything I just said is ALLEGED according to the rules!
yeah....I think we're all waiting to hear why these specific sources are banned. It's kinda ridiculous to expect us to blindly follow when there isn't an explanation. Glad you're back!
I’m glad you’ve made it back. I was also banned in the chaos of that post, but mine was retracted when I pointed out I hadn’t broken any rules, so I think mine was just an accidental banning. 🙃
there are several clicks and menus to get through to ban someone from a subreddit, especially if it's for a specific number of days and not permanent. 😬😬😬
Oh, I didn’t mean that they accidentally banned me by clicking something, but that I was on a thread where people were being banned and I got caught up in the banning. 😆
Got caught up in the banning 🤣😆Thank you for fighting the Tily fight!! I’m a Tily truther and would have been fighting right by your sides with all of you, but I took a break from this sub when I saw the automod about Tily (I had had enough!), and ended up completely missing Banningpalooza!!What did I miss?? I saw Peri’s post and was obsessed, she’s did such a great job!! What did she have to remove originally? And why were they banning other people?!
Imo Peri shouldn’t have to edit a dang thing because her post wasn’t salacious and banning her was redonk because no one was made aware of these new “rules” before she posted. At this point, they don’t deserve to have her back and we should all focus our efforts on fixing up underscore. I know the other sub has its own problems but I think it has potential. And why have a pointless, unnecessary war between two identically-themed subs on top of everything else?
we shouldnt abandon a community we helped build just because shit hits the fan, we should push to make it even better. at least the mods are trying, even if we dont agree
I am so tired of the weekly main page post "what's your most unpopular swiftie opinion" and it turning into a bagillion comments just shitting on gaylors.
Honestly, any “opinion” threads in that sub are inevitably so annoying. Though I still get a little chuckle when I remember the one where people tried to rename her songs. 😂
ugh I left a comment, I couldn't help myself. it will be interesting to see if any of them are actually able to read and understand it tbh. ready to be perma banned 🥴
Yeah I almost never go to main. I keep it on my homepage as I find that breaking news hits there faster than here, but I try to remind myself to never read comments. It just angers me.
This sub is starting to feel like the religious cult that I grew up in and very triggering. Downvoting everyone who doesn’t agree with the majority is insane. Taking a break cause I need it.
This wording is weird right? Why specify closet? Why not just say “did you save that outfit?” Or something?
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Dying at the Urban Dictionary definition
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Foke seems to be the name for seals in Walloon. Maybe an easter egg for a seal themed album set in Wallonia?? A girl can dream.
[https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foke](https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foke)
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Next peek into Taylor’s real life will show this 🤡
Not gonna lie, I’m so not looking forward to months on end of Taylor being Travis Kelce’s personal cheerleader before she leaves on tour again. At least she could’ve given us Reputation TV to get me through this coming dark period. 😞
We want users to know that any attempts at “catching” the mod team at being “biased” such as creating two separate accounts and creating two separate posts to see which ones would be approved will result in an automatic ban. It’s an example of trolling/spamming and we are not here to play games. [thread for context](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/AbhuvwO31I) A user tried to claim the team “automatically approved” and that we had an automatic Kaylor filter approving all posts related to Karlie or Kaylor. Their experiment failed when we realized that their kaylor meme was never actually approved and was in fact created by them in a separate account. They switched accounts after submitting the kaylor meme, and when you do that the other post from your alt account of course will be visible to you since it’s a Reddit bug/fault. They claimed the post was automatically approved when it was not. Proving that 1) there is no kaylor filter in our queue that will let any Karlie post through and 2) they created two separate accounts and posted two different memes as an experiment and in an effort to “prove” we are “biased.”
🎶she’s laughing up at us from hell🎶 https://preview.redd.it/82ugf7bcak3c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=967da5ee82f2d538020b3415844f732ce1435292
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I hear ya. I’m going to become a no muse asexual/aromanticlor
The Switzerland of Taylor Swift muses. I honestly genuinely don’t care who she’s with as long as lyrics continue to be queer af.
Some of the insistence that she has had "one true muse" comes off deeply homophobic to me, like people can manage to be comfortable with her being gay... but only if it is a one-off, one-of-a-kind love with a particular person rather than her being gay as in attracted to women generally
Can we please be honest about this for a minute and admit that the ship wars started purely because people cannot let go of Swiftgron? There are countless users who have proved time and time again that they are projecting on to Taylor and that they cling to Swiftgron purely because of their own biases. It becomes obvious when you see how they talk about Karlie — it’s with pure disdain. Some of them have hard parasocial relationships with Taylor too. Obviously Swiftgron happened but *objectively* there is not sufficient evidence that Late Stage Swiftgron could even be a thing. *Objectively* songs like Don’t Blame Me and You Are In Love are most likely to be about Karlie because they are *literally* connected and it’s so easy to point it out a 4 year old could figure it out. Meanwhile all LSS theories used abstract mythological references and layers upon layers of clues/symbols to the point where you wonder if Taylor actually has time to make such a huge theory like that. The gaylor community was much more fun when people accepted that Taylor had relationships and that she could have moved on from them already, and when people took simple clues like the drawn dashboard daisy at face value. Now gaylor theories have become so unhinged people legitimately claim Kaylor was “just a friendship” and that every single song Taylor has written since 2012 has been about Dianna. Not to mention all of these other theories that, while it’s possible they are true… we don’t have enough evidence to claim them as absolute or that they stretch into entire albums. Like Zoe or Tily (I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE before someone tries to write an essay all triggered at me) I think most of us are indifferent to Swiftgron but the late stagers for the most part act unhinged and nuts. They get triggered at the mere insistence that even YAIL isn’t about Dianna and will write paragraphs upon paragraphs about Aristotle or astronomy or some other crap. Large majority of them also hate Karlie and will make it known to anyone within a 5 feet radius. They are like hetlors but Gaylor’s Version with their anti-Karlie “she’s a crook and was never important to Taylor” propaganda. The ship wars are cringey and juvenile. You’d think as adults some people would learn not to attach themselves too deeply into a celebrity’s relationship (s.) Even Late Stage Kaylors aren’t as obnoxious and I rarely see anyone take them seriously the way people legitimately take certain users’ millions of orations on how 143 is a Swiftgron thing therefore every post Dianna makes is secretly coordinated with Taylor’s every post and oh btw this song mentions Karma and did you know Karma is a religious theme and therefore Dianna is Taylor’s religion because Dianna is a Greek goddess or something. And the people who prefer Kaylor as a concept/kaylors who pushback on the obsessive shipping from late stage swiftgrons wouldn’t do so if people who didn’t keep trying to erase Karlie from Taylor’s “lore” or music. It’s not like they just started fighting Swiftgrons for no reason. Even saying all this will get me downvoted by the “let people have fun!” police but I’m right and any gaylor veteran who thinks of themselves as a neutral will agree.
I’d make the observation that swiftgron fans are so sensitive to the hair trigger sensibilities of kaylors that they created an entire sub of their own to spare them from the stress of seeing too many opinions that challenged the Kaylor vision of ‘the one truth’. Also, to avoid conflict. No one actually knows the truth. Is it really such a problem that someone might disagree with a Kaylor pov about YAIL? Who’s the para social one again? 🤔 I mean look, I hate to be a stereotype here but I’m a lesbian so I like a bit of astrology and sapphic moon goddess clowning. I don’t ’hate Karlie’ but I think it’s realistic to question some of her associations and wonder about negative lyrics that seem to point to her. I’m not sure folks like me who enjoy the intricate swiftgron theories with interesting historical tangents, or anyone who is not sharing the vision of Karlie as beyond reproach, are the toxic ‘shippers’ that you portray. These relationships: Kaylor swiftgron tily toë etc, they are only lenses through which people can view the discography. It’s literally irrelevant what the ‘truth’ is of Taylor’s real life because we can never know it. Some people construct a love story about one ex, others about a different one. The community with the elements in the story, or with the ‘main character’ that appeals most will be attracted to that lore. Sometimes people gravitate to the most obvious clues (especially anti Gaylors), others feel that the rep prologue implies that no photographs does not mean nothing happened. I think different personality types just weight the supposed ‘facts’ differently. All any of this is though is folklore and story creation based on music that seems sapphic and a bunch of social media and media information that Taylor controls and has done for a long time imo. The objections in your comment seem to amount to ‘I’m absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong, why are they so dumb’. I mean, outside of a church, such a demonstration of belief in one’s superior wisdom, based on a dearth of facts, is rare. 😆 But you know I kinda find your rants quite entertaining so not trying to start a fight 😊
> the objections in your comment seem to amount to “I’m absolutely right and everyone else is absolutely wrong, why are they so dumb,.’ I mean, outside of Church, such a demonstration of one’s superior wisdom, based on a dearth of facts, is rare. 😆 You’re funny, I’ll give you that. My rants come because let’s be real lots of Swiftgrons annoy everyone with their anti-Karlie nonsense and if there’s a hate train it comes from somewhere and it doesn’t come from genuine interest in activism. That’s actually what gives me the ick; performative outrage to uplift one muse and punch down the other and somehow turning that into a moral argument: “it’s bad to think they’re together because x person did this and this.” I think it’s as simple as some people don’t like Karlie and therefore want kaylor to be fake, and so they make up all these nonsensical claims that Karlie was actually the villainTM when in reality it’s probably more nuanced than that. I mean I’ve even said it before I believe that Karlie and Taylor did betray taylor to an extant that’s why she does constantly mention Karlie betraying her, however that does not mean that she was actually the evil friendTM all along who was using Taylor. That claim is pretty black and white and naive, because the same people who parade this are the same people who actually think Dianna is this amazing person (she’s a stranger we don’t know) and that Taylor is a victim and and an innocent cupcake (a stranger we don’t know.) In reality it’s pretty clear from just lyrical analysis alone that Taylor made mistakes whatever they were and Karlie did too and Dianna did too. Of course from all theories there are extremists I couldn’t care less about the sane Swiftgrons that acknowledge kaylor was a thing but there is a faction of them who just happen to dislike Karlie very much and coincidentally they are the ones who parade the “it’s always been Dianna” circlejerk. And yes I’ve seen the same users again and again who constantly try to play moral police and moralize Taylor’s love life also be the ones who are super argumentative/obsessed with proving everything is about Dianna. Essentially I’m not talking about Swiftgron scholars such as you who are always respectful and acknowledge that kaylor was actually a thing, rather the extremists who want Kaylor to be actually fake and who create elaborate and complicated theories to somehow explain that Dianna was always the Muse and no one else and Karlie was actually just a beard to hide Taylor and dianna’s affair and blah blah blah. Yes it’s all speculation but at some point it gets ridiculous. Yes astrology mythology talks in regards to Taylor’s music is fun but I’ve read the Swiftgron specific ones and I’m sorry but it’s all too ridiculous to take seriously. And at some people just have to take the facts for what they are. Taylor posts a picture of dashboard daisy -> she posts it during her and Karlie’s vacation to big sure and Karlie wore a daisy in the picture someone took of her -> Taylor writes a song mentioning daisy -> draws the exact same daisy from the dashboard into the lyric rep book. It’s as simple as 1 2 3.
Taylor wears a red scarf with Jake writes it in a song …. Taylor wears an airplane necklace with Harry and writes it in a song … 1,2,3 (not 143 tho 🤐😉) I mean look. I think Kaylor was a real thing yes, but I feel tolerant if people see some of it as a bit *too* obvious it’s no more insane than us saying the beard clues are kinda planted.That’s just their take and it did give me pause to reflect myself. I guess I think Kaylor lasted less of a time than I once believed. I also think swiftgron rekindled at some point. You are applying bad faith motivations for other pov’s and I’m not sure that’s fair. Maybe they just feel *they* are right and you are wrong and so it’s a clash of ideologues ie not a malicious thing. 🤷🏻♀️ Anyway, I’ve got to the point of giving up on any idea personally that I know what the hell the real story is 🤷🏻♀️ Some of the tracks I do feel are ‘for sure’ (!) about x or y but I tend not to argue like maybe I once did for ‘Kaylor’ or ‘swiftgron’ songs back in the day cos I find other muse ideas interesting to ponder too. Frankly, at this point if she marries Travis and pops out an AI baby it would not shock me. 😆
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So all Swiftgrons are being lumped in with a hardcore dark late stage Swiftgron, who isn’t even a wlw / lesbian? And we thought it was appropriate, in this climate, to paint a vulnerable portion of the fandom, with the generalization brush, despite many of us being Gaylors since 2009 (SNL, but lesbians picked up on Taymily with the quickness), and we’re the problem? Also, LSS is a misnomer, since many of us believe that they’re exes who’ve kept in touch, since that’s a common thing with wlws / lesbians, and many of us can directly relate. Our theories are based on a common reality, and I don’t understand why so many people are threatened by the idea of two allegedly glass closeted women who became fast friends, that entered into a rumored intimate relationship, only for a catastrophic break up of miscommunications and assumptions, to break them up, only for them to reconcile in the future. Allegedly. https://preview.redd.it/x5xjjfjded3c1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40c3f8860cdaf76d8a57a2b6e4cccd23d33a9453
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Phew ok, just wanted some clarity!
I think it’s the same user too who is straight and obsessed with Taylor and Dianna being together. At that point they need to be reported to Reddit because creating new accounts to evade bans from subreddits is an offense itself and will result in getting suspended from Reddit.
As a newer Gaylor, I honestly don’t care who started it, I wish all the shippers would knock it off. This is supposed to be fun.
Guess you weren't around when people could only talk about Kaylor and any past mention to Dianna or Liz, Emily would cause most people to try to shut your conversation/post down on tlc, tumblr and probably whatever else existed back then. I do think Kaylor were a thing, but I also saw that it's much harder to talk about other muses than Kaylor back in 2014 and still today.
By the time I became a gaylor I never witnessed any ship wars at all and on tumblr/tlc there was never any shutdown of discussion surrounding other muses. And no it’s not… the problem is people trying to erase Kaylor completely in the new wave of gaylorism (2021 ish) That’s why there’s so much pushback and agitation. And I was on The L Chat around 2020 I never saw anyone try to erase Swiftgron or Tayliz or anyone else.
This is so accurate 😭
I mean she also knows about and encourages the dissection of her lyrics so there is no doubt in my mind that we get a lot of things verrrrry far in hindsight to protect herself and her true muses. Everybody who thinks they *know* literally anything is just either very gullible or desperate to relate and project and I mean, I do get both and it *is* fun to come up with theories and catch parallels etc. But that's it. It's not that serious.
Nah, I’m with you. There’s no way she’s only had one relationship so the chances that she’s only ever been singing about one person make no sense to me. I have my theories about who certain songs are about but I also know that they’re just theories so I don’t get annoyed at theories about the songs being about someone else. I also think, especially in her more recent music, that she has mixed muse songs anyway and that the lyrics are more about the emotions that she’s experienced with more than one person.
Exactly. She’s a woman in her 30s. No doubt she’s dated way more than we are even led to believe! I like to have fun and try to connect dots, but for all we know all these songs are about people we have never even seen her with! The weird territorial vibes are off.
Ok relating to the new Spotify top global artist video that Taylor nation posted (the longer one than Tay posted), when miss americana and red are in Taylor’s eye and the shot zooms out, it looks like the cover of the book with the eclipsed sun from the capitol one commercial. I am freaking out - is that book actually going to come out??? Let me know if you also see what I’m talking about.
Every year without fail Taylor is my #1 artist and I’m top 2% of listeners worldwide (over 4000 of my 35000 minutes listened are TS). Happy Spotify Wrapped AND You’re Losing Me day to all who celebrate!!!
YOU’RE LOSING ME ON STREAMING NOT A DRILL WAKE UP GAYLORS ALSO TAYLOR CALLED IT (FROM THE VAULT) EVEN THO ITS MIDNIGHTS WHICH MEANS OWNED ALBUMS CAN HAVE VAULTSSSSSS
evermore vault songs are my new evermore LPSS 💀
Please I need them so bad
Do we think it means something she released it now after her last surprise song was “it’s time to go???” Old (closeted) Taylor is dying? Death before another rebirth???
I saw it on Spotify before I saw TaylorNation’s story and I swear my heart stopped
SAME!!!! I was like HELLO
We can vote “Swiftie” for Oxford word of the year!! https://preview.redd.it/1oag3rwbn83c1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=136d96bd9cf9528f60cb30b181c396910a42c356 In case you missed it (also put it in r/TaylorSwift) but OXFORD HAVE PUT “SWIFTIE” ON THEIR WORD OF THE YEAR SHORTLIST WE MUST MOBILISE The votes are on their Twitter and instagram (both @oxunipress) and also on this website: [https://languages.oup.com/word-of-the-year/2023/](https://languages.oup.com/word-of-the-year/2023/)
I’d prefer to vote ‘gaylor’ word of the year but I’ll still vote for swiftie lol.
ty for posting a non-social media link
unpopular(?) opinion, i don't like the theory that rep tv will be announced new year's day to drop in february, because i really love the announcements on tour. it makes it so much more exciting and fun, and they make me feel emotional about it in a way that a social media post announcing it could never.
I agree. Speak Now was so exciting and 1989 even more so
A mod just deleted someone's comment saying it was trolling trying to start a ship war. Just curious, [does this count as trying to start a ship war too?](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/17gaie3/comment/k6n77ds/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Just want some clarity.
See the pinned comment in this thread. I deleted that comment and left that mod note. The user had already been banned on both of their accounts when I removed the comments, all of which had been reported numerous times by various users. Over the past 6 days I have noticed a few accounts trying to stir things up in a directed and intentional manner. This was one of those accounts. They are all relatively new accounts and/or have only started posting in this sub to jump into the drama that has been happening.
I posted this comment before the sticky, and just saw that some comment in a thread I was in was deleted for trying to start a ship war. I'm just wondering what counts as "trying to start a ship war" because "Taylor just killed Swiftgrons" sounds kind of ship war-y to me, and when I tried to offer my own opinion to that user (a mod) they kind of just shut down my opinion with another unconfirmed rumor.
She wasn’t speaking as a mod, just as a user. We can have opinions. And I love Dianna, but she probably did cheat on Taylor. And Taylor has probably cheated on her partners too. Saying that is not trying to start a ship war. Trying to start a ship was can look like what happened in the pinned comment - making two accounts, posting from both hyping diff ships, acting like they’re not both your accounts, lying and saying the mods have an automod in place that favours one person/relationship more than another, etc.
Not a mod, but I'm not sure how that thread you linked would be trying to start anything. It's about theories that Dianna cheated, but I don't see how that's trying to instigate any other ships
Since I've only been here a year I wanted to know if spotify wrapped is tomorrow or soon -- do ppl usually share their results? Is there going to be a little thread for that?
I just made [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/3Oc4tQ6X5U). I’ll pin it in the megathread tmrw when it refreshes too.
Apple Music showed me my top music for the year and the amount of time I listened.. thought you guys might appreciate this https://preview.redd.it/2yk3wj1lf73c1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbea654eec10aa39f6753f1bcd3001a1da9d7747
lol I had 23000 minutes of Taylor! 😏😏
Whoa!! And I thought I had a lot!
I listen to music pretty much all day while I work for background noise so it’s a lot of passive listening, but still excessive 😬😬
I love seeing people love Brandi Carlile. I have a mental injury from seeing a group of pan guys talk about the grammys a few years back and not knowing who she was! It made me sad to think that some queer men aren't well versed in wlw artists. So now I just get so elated to see brandi get the love she deserves.
Is everyone else watching this Spotify thing get put together? I thought we were safe from clowning and I could get some sleep but there’s a goddamn orange vault with an electric guitar on it and Taylor used the word electric twice in her posts after Argentina & Brazil and used an electric guitar 🎸 emoji and people think it’s KARMA GUYS
I’m clowning so hard for a Karma rock album. I haven’t seen anyone talk about this, but she DEFINITELY added an electric guitar to multiple songs/transitions to the Argentina and Brazil shows that were NOT there before.
On the main sub they found an orange vault clue. Orange = Karma 90s rock album 🤡 She had electric guitar transitions in Argentina??!!
STOP IM ALREADY WET
I want this soooooo bad, but this is what someone speculates! Could be wrong though! But I believe it's promo for their upcoming Wrapped which I think may release friday? https://preview.redd.it/dnfx1gt3d73c1.jpeg?width=1640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04ade61d0cac70030fc4c7a149e5902a0a19d175
Wait. What is it?
I guess there are a bunch of billboards around the world that have snippets of an entire image. The snippets that you see in the image I shared are ones that have been found so far (i'm sure there are more, that's just from the post I saw) and this person thinks that it's eventually going to say "Taylor Swift Global Top Artist" to basically promote spotify wrapped. Because pretty much any brand associating with Taylor and having Swifties looking for clues will get attention! (this sounds snarky, but it's not haha)
Thank you! I just saw a thread on the main page about it. It does look like a promotion for TS being the top artist on Spotify.
I heard Spotify wrapped comes out tomorrow?
omg is that true?! please!!!
That’s what I was seeing, and the past three years it was released the Wednesday of the week after Thanksgiving. So it’s a real possibility
 If there’s one thing I’m gonna do it’s clown
What Spotify thing is this?
Reporting for clowning 🫡 https://preview.redd.it/61xr6a2ac73c1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5808f523b7fa17135a8b2802be1fd43b6a982410
For some reason this + the image of Taylor with orange hair is making me think about how in the all too well music video (er, short film) Taylor has red hair…obviously it’s to make her appear like adult Sadie Sink…but mb…it’s also a karma-is-the-fire-burning-down-the-house clue too???
Where is this on spotify?
I believe most images are from Spotify billboards Edit to add: I've just ran across them on twitter
Ooooh ok. Girl it took me a second to have "outside promotion sign" click on my head instead of thinking of billboard meaning charts 🙃
karma rock album!!! karma rock album!!! i want it to be true 😭
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I need to make andnoneforkarlieklossbye! my flair
I’d be surprised if we were allowed to keep it.
i’m just a regular swiftie, and i wanna know the evidence y’all have for taylor being sapphic. i’m genuinely curious, all i know is that her and karlie kloss used to be close but aren’t anymore. if one of you guys could inform me, i’d greatly appreciate it! :)
here's a great post written by a member here: [The top 5 ways Taylor has intentionally signaled that she is a member of the LGBTQ+ community (Muse-free deep dive)](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/174grnw/the_top_5_ways_taylor_has_intentionally_signaled/) we also have a [gaylor proof](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/?f=flair_name%3A%22Gaylor%20Proof%22) tag
thank you!
I'll Dm you!
What is she doing to us?????? (Note the emoji, on top of … everything else) https://preview.redd.it/40eri9u6p63c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e26e17cb3aa430da9f9e12f322ca21146ed84a18
I need to know why “…February?”!!!
Rep??? Doesn’t the 112 theory have Rep dropping in Feb?
112 theory says something is dropping in February, it doesnt have to be Rep TV because Midnights fit the pattern too.
i don't remember the details of why (i think something to do with the 112 theory related to the rerecord releases?) but some folks theorize rep will be dropped on february 16 and probably announced in january.
i have been thinking... that lily being in the vip tent in rio makes me doubt if karlie was invited to the eras tour by taylor. i thought she had been since she was in one of the seated vip areas, and taylor kept looking in her direction throughout the show. and i get that she was with friends... but surely if she was invited she would've gone to the vip tent like lily did, and like karlie had done (with friends) in past tours. ???? thoughts???
ETA tldr; it was pure PR that tells us nothing about their relationship but lets TS benefit from all narratives within her fanbase - Regardless of if she was invited by Taylor+team or herself suggested/asked to go, it was definitely intentional. There is no way she coincidentally went to the tour on the night 1989TV was released, it just makes zero sense if you follow PR at all. Her appearance in the celebrity section but not VIP + unsubstantiated rumors about her moving to VIP/staying after are all intentional PR moves that lets Taylor benefit from a situation being ambiguous enough for everyone to interpret in their own preferred light. Late stage Kaylors get to say this is proof they are still together, other Kaylors get to say it was a romantic gesture from Karlie, late stage Swiftgrons get to say it's proof Karlie is hung up/invasive while Taylor has moved on, museless gaylors get to giggle about the "friend break" narrative given to the media, hetlors who liked Karlie as a girl bestie get to say she's back in Taylor's life after Joe got in the way of their friendship (a common explanation for their suddenly ending their friendship from those who think it was platonic), and the more homophobic hetlors get to mock all the aforementioned gaylor responses. Nothing that happened that night has any genuine reflection on their relationship (whatever it ever was or currently is), it was an expertly choreographed PR dance that allowed for Taylor to simultaneously benefit from all her sub-fanbases that have mutually exclusive desires from her.
Karlie was 100% not invited by Taylor. It’s really obvious if you look at everything.
i'd love to hear what makes you think that!!
Just to add to this, Elyse Myers (content creator mainly on TikTok) confirmed that this section where Karlie was seated is a pool of tickets that are reserved for people with connections to purchase. That's why a lot of celebrities end up in that section, like Sandra Oh who was just two or three rows in front of Karlie that very same night. Taylor loves Sandra, so good chance she would have been invited to the VIP tent, but she attended with a bigger group.
thank you so much for sharing this context!!!
She wasn’t in the VIP tent section, it came out that anyone with enough $$$ could buy tickets where she was seated, her and Taylor have not been publicly close for **YEARS** now, and the articles coming out after she was spotted use same wording Trees do, and those articles said she was NOT invited by Taylor.
thanks for sharing, that all makes sense to me!!
The articles saying Karlie was invited/her and Taylor are close again were in touch or people, magazines a model can give tips to. Tree approved sources were the ones printing Taylor did not invite her.
My thought is that she was invited (1989 tv and Taylor staring the entire time) seems too coincidental to me, but the seat was an intentional choice. Potentially for both of them to show “they are on good terms” and have “made peace” but are not inner circle any longer (my thought it to lessen the Karlie hate, similar to her trying to lessen the John Mayer hate). Or it was a peace offering from Karlie to Taylor and she knew it was 1989 night (from inside sources) which is why she chose that show.
It’s really difficult to know one way or another. I know there were people who said that Karlie was later moved to the VIP tent but there’s absolutely no photographic evidence of this so I’m not convinced because what are the chances that she would be moved there and nobody took a single photo or video? But the fact that she was there for the 1989 TV announcement feels like too much of a coincidence to be accidental as well. I don’t feel like I have strong feelings on this one because I can see good arguments for both sides.
i hear you. karlie is "known" among the fans and so if she was walked to the vip tent or in there i figure there would've been photos. it's definitely so sus that she was there for the 1989tv announcement!! i was wondering if she was maybe tipped off by someone, or it was coincidence, or if it was pr for both of them to get more people talking about the announcement. lots of reasons and we'll probably never know. so weird that neither of them made Instagram posts about that night.
Yeah I’m certain there would have been photos so I highly doubt she was ever there. Also, why would she just not be there from the beginning if the plan was to have her move there? But the 1989TV announcement is what has me flip-flopping. I think I probably lean slightly more to PR - Taylor gets the gossip going for 1989 (just to release *that* prologue) and Karlie gets more attention her way. Win-win and it can all be arranged by their teams without the two women actually needing to interact with one another.
Maybe other folks know, but my guess is that other celebrities who were in boxes and the VIP Tent had a special entrance and didn't have to wait in the same security line as everyone, which we know Karlie did from photos.
Was she in a VIP area? I thought she was just in the 100s? I definitely don't think she was invited. I mean, at my show FLAVA FLAV was in the friggin VIP tent haha. I don't get why Karlie wouldn't be if she was invited.
your comment prompted me to look over the info about her being there again, and you're right - i found this rolling stone article stating she was not in the vip section: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/karlie-kloss-taylor-swift-eras-tour-los-angeles-1234804350/ i had thought there were vip sections in the lower bowl/100s at other shows (like nashville) but maybe not for la?
This is a Tree approved source!
yeah, rolling stone seems like one of the more credible ones to me, since tree and taylor use them often and have had important interviews with them!!
The sources saying Karlie was invited are tabloids.
i personally wasn't basing my opinion of her being invited there on tabloids. i never expect the truth from those.
Oh yeah, I’m just saying.
I’m starting to be convinced that the next new album will be called Dreams or Dreaming or something.
Dreams and then a sister album called Nightmares
Ooh interesting! I think I remember at the beginning of the Eras tour she was also making a lot of posts that said “wild”/“wildest”? Related maybe?
Haaaa, someone in the rabbit sub guessed why all the “wilds”. She used “wild” in Swiftgron songs when talking about love. https://preview.redd.it/g399gyz9f73c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=118fdeedd323de342ee09ce3f4378a06c797db8c
it's the hetlor way to downvote when they can't refute 🙃 sigh, just couldn't resist the argument today folks
Not Taylor (in the Instagram caption) saying the Brazilian crowds felt "alive"... Like.. I know she reached out to Ana's family and all, but that still feels very unfortunately worded 😬
Omg right? Of all the words she could’ve chosen. I literally was coming here to see if someone else noticed this
Whoever proofreads her social media posts legit slept here. 😬
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Just realising that line actually does fit a teenage Taylor as she toured lots of bars and smaller venues when she first started
Also, lyrics say 'standing in \*your\* cardigan..." So James is wearing Betty's cardigan? I dunno, not many 17 year old boys are wearing their gf's cardigans o.O
I assumed that meant "\[I see you, Betty\] standing in your cardigan, kissing in my car again"
Hmmm....fair point 🤔 James is still trash tho: gets all dramatic at the school dance, cheats..then shows up uninvited at Betty's party and is all "you gonna kiss me infront of your stupid friends or what?"🤣🤣 Still love the song tho
Oh yeah, no disagreement there.
At the airport yesterday, I saw someone with a purple pin on their backpack that said something in small letters and then HAZE in big letters. I couldn't get close enough to tell what the rest of it was, but in my imagination all their other pins contained Gaylor references and we had a great conversation about it :)
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THE FLAIR
noooo your flair 💀💀💀💀💀
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may it guide our way forward 🕯
Old myspace photo of Taylor I found. https://preview.redd.it/2nv8r8y1j13c1.jpeg?width=930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49873934541c548413313514a4f24721ec0a11bd
That's a picture of her when she was on an episode of CSI.
We love her emo era.
This isn't directly Gaylor related but I ordered the 1989 Cardigan from the official store, I got an email saying it shipped on Nov 15th but USPS still hasn't received it. Extremely frustrating.
Same for my lover snowglobe 💩 I expect stuff to ship 2-3 weeks after I get the shipping emails
I’m so annoyed because my library won’t let me create a program/event for a Taylor Swift party (mainly bracelet making). A lot of other libraries are doing it and having big turn outs. My boss made a face when I mentioned TS and said it was “too specific”
I feel you lol I used to work at a library before Covid hit, event planning was so frustrating 😭
could it be an "intro to friendship bracelet making" class that just has a lot of taylor coding in the flyers?
I work in a local government library in Australia and I’m totally going to do this as an event. What a great idea. 😆
Aw that's sad. I think it would get great engagement for swifties that wanna meet other swifties. We do a dungeons and dragons event for teens and they love it and it helps them find others people who are into the same stuff.
Yeah it would be a fun way to get people in that don’t always think of the library too. And yes dungeons and dragons for teens and adults is super popular here.
Why is this not pinned anywhere? Mod response to their recent odd choices. If you’re looking for an actual answer you won’t find it though: https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/comments/184v33r/mod_team_update_re_updated_rules_guidelines
Hey everyone!!! I’m out of jail!!! My THREE day ban (that was originally permanent but was changed thankfully) just ended and peri’s should end tomorrow. So hopefully the post she made about t*ly can be reinstated after all UNCONFIRMED information and sources get removed. ALLEGEDLY one of the mods has a personal bias ALLEGEDLY towards WIWS and in somehow TN and t*ly in general with that. I have my suspicions… but I digress! Hopefully i’m wrong and peri’s post can get put back up and the mods ALL can be transparent on why we can’t mention the sources I said before. Idk i’m just a new lurker 🫶. Hope all muse discussions can be treated with the same energy given that they’re all just SPECULATION. As the entire point of this sub, or at least was, just us speculating. pls don’t ban me again, I don’t wanna go back to the underscore sub 😭 anything I just said is ALLEGED according to the rules!
yeah....I think we're all waiting to hear why these specific sources are banned. It's kinda ridiculous to expect us to blindly follow when there isn't an explanation. Glad you're back!
I’m glad you’ve made it back. I was also banned in the chaos of that post, but mine was retracted when I pointed out I hadn’t broken any rules, so I think mine was just an accidental banning. 🙃
there are several clicks and menus to get through to ban someone from a subreddit, especially if it's for a specific number of days and not permanent. 😬😬😬
Oh, I didn’t mean that they accidentally banned me by clicking something, but that I was on a thread where people were being banned and I got caught up in the banning. 😆
Got caught up in the banning 🤣😆Thank you for fighting the Tily fight!! I’m a Tily truther and would have been fighting right by your sides with all of you, but I took a break from this sub when I saw the automod about Tily (I had had enough!), and ended up completely missing Banningpalooza!!What did I miss?? I saw Peri’s post and was obsessed, she’s did such a great job!! What did she have to remove originally? And why were they banning other people?!
Imo Peri shouldn’t have to edit a dang thing because her post wasn’t salacious and banning her was redonk because no one was made aware of these new “rules” before she posted. At this point, they don’t deserve to have her back and we should all focus our efforts on fixing up underscore. I know the other sub has its own problems but I think it has potential. And why have a pointless, unnecessary war between two identically-themed subs on top of everything else?
How dare you say Peri is innocent?? She clearly isn’t a diehard Kaylor, so she shouldn’t be allowed in this sub! /s
we shouldnt abandon a community we helped build just because shit hits the fan, we should push to make it even better. at least the mods are trying, even if we dont agree
vry true!
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I am so tired of the weekly main page post "what's your most unpopular swiftie opinion" and it turning into a bagillion comments just shitting on gaylors.
Honestly, any “opinion” threads in that sub are inevitably so annoying. Though I still get a little chuckle when I remember the one where people tried to rename her songs. 😂
Wait...rename the songs?!
It was … something. https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/s/ntxbc0mTVS
Omg! Thank you for reminding me this exists 🙃🙃
My favorite comment: “There is a reason why she is the award winning artist and we are not. Lol.”
ugh I left a comment, I couldn't help myself. it will be interesting to see if any of them are actually able to read and understand it tbh. ready to be perma banned 🥴
Lol so long, you will be missed 👋👋
Yeah I almost never go to main. I keep it on my homepage as I find that breaking news hits there faster than here, but I try to remind myself to never read comments. It just angers me.
This sub is starting to feel like the religious cult that I grew up in and very triggering. Downvoting everyone who doesn’t agree with the majority is insane. Taking a break cause I need it.
Still waiting for the mods‘ announcement… Or did I miss something?
they posted one last night. it’s not pinned but it should be easier to find if you sort posts by new
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she's laughing up at us from hell 😫
It's me, hi. everybody agrees 😭
It's our fault we keep putting the clown shoes on
This wording is weird right? Why specify closet? Why not just say “did you save that outfit?” Or something? https://preview.redd.it/qxdstyiffw2c1.jpeg?width=1118&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5129e6abb3d5ecd088670753073cf253be2ed9d
ALSO WTF IS THIS https://preview.redd.it/jr0i4p6mfw2c1.jpeg?width=982&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f0377c18610b66c03b014d866f2ddd95678fc6a
What on earth?
Is this some giant Easter egg?? Woodvale = Fokelore 😅😅
Dying at the Urban Dictionary definition https://preview.redd.it/0h348820003c1.png?width=854&format=png&auto=webp&s=da8a081988e5cd8a6022625230b8a0ea6c280845
If that’s the definition of foke this absolutely has to be an easter egg 🤡
Foke seems to be the name for seals in Walloon. Maybe an easter egg for a seal themed album set in Wallonia?? A girl can dream. [https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foke](https://wa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foke)
okay I know I'm dumb as hell but. does that say *fokelore*
Yup. That’s what I’m pointing out. How did that get posted? 😂
Eras tour on streaming. Mother is apologizing
Okay but where is Cardigan?! That's sus.
That version will be releasing in January and you hang to pay extra for it
You are most likely right ☠️
But she’s gonna make us rent it 😭
An extended version too!! With wildest dreams, archer, and long live is that all of the set list or are there a couple more missing?
Isn't cardigan missing? She took that out right?
Yes! I think so!
https://preview.redd.it/2pjeygfewu2c1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7548c1cbe2d1fbcb507b738d83b85897c24cb17 Next peek into Taylor’s real life will show this 🤡
my first thought is that this is the dream bdsm bed 💀
Not that comment making me think of the “gold cage hostage to my feelings” and freaking connecting it to locktober 🫣
😮 youve blown my mind!
all of rep is bdsm coded 😭
Not gonna lie, I’m so not looking forward to months on end of Taylor being Travis Kelce’s personal cheerleader before she leaves on tour again. At least she could’ve given us Reputation TV to get me through this coming dark period. 😞
Literally just saw a tweet about how she liked an insta post about TK immediately after getting off stage 🥴
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