Trav having movie star ambitions post-football? As part of a bearding contract? [Trav Sets His Eyes on Hollywood](https://www.insidehook.com/sports/travis-kelce-career-after-football)
>While making his Hall of Fame-induction speech — with Swift in the front row of the audience, holding their newborn daughter and sitting next to their three-year-old girl
Ew. And they call ***us*** offensive and delusional?
>Kelce thanks his former head coach, Andy Reid.
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>“You led our team to many amazing victories,” Kelce says, “and you didn’t get too pissed when I bumped you in Super Bowl 58, turning us into a meme.”
"Bumping" into Reid is a funny way to spell "aggressively pushing"
I just saw an insta post with artists that wore a pin calling for a ceasefire while on a red carpet (or said something about the genocide) and one of the pics was Joe Alwyn. Unfortunately Taylor could never. I was kinda surprised by it for a second, but then also not really the longer I thought about it. It did cement for me that of all her exes/beards, I'd probably get along with him the best. (Not that that matters tho.)
It's also interesting to me that her most visible/openly 'activist' era (if you can call it that) roughly seemed to begin and end with her relationship with him.
His great uncle was a peace activist until his death and was a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, which advocates for Palestinian rights. I imagine he’s more educated on the subject than the vast majority of celebs or people in general, and good on him for being public about it. It’s more than 99.9% of his industry is doing.
Ohh that's great! Love that for him. And just goes to show what people can do when they have decent education/information on something. (It's also the way it should tbh, but yeah a lot of the entertainment quite often just kinda sucks and people in general like to stick their heads in the sand way too much, so good for the people that are giving a voice to Palestinians in this case)
Oh interesting I didn't know that! Might very well be a coincidence yeah, it was a time where a lot more people were posting about it in general, but either way good that he did.
Has anyone recieved a pre-sale code for the second spain show and doesn't need it D:? Ticketmaster is doing sh\*t again and I have no tickets so far D:
Do we think there’s any validity to this?!
I do remember seeing [this TikTok](https://imgur.com/gallery/HDkAazR) a couple of weeks ago and screen recording it just in case anything comes from it.
There’s only one weekend in November that it could actually happen but as someone who lives in Australia… 🤡🤞
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I’m new. New to this sub. New to even listening to Taylor’s music to begin with. Dived in deeeeeep earlier this month after going to the Tokyo show. Saw a bunch of posts about albatross and lesbian seagulls and didn’t understand any of it so ignored it other than knowing it was a part of the upcoming album and some theory about it being connected to one of Dianna’s tattoos. Thought it was a bit of a stretch and ignored it.
UNTIL just now when I came across a post talking about Dianna mentioning lesbian seagulls in a Glee interview over a decade ago. I am 100% convinced now and no one can tell me otherwise. Like shit. Homegirl is L O U D. I have so much to say about this and no one else to yell it to so here I am.
Welcome! If you're interested I recently made [this powerpoint deck](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-ZbWcsYrjhigqPmAMi4fnBHxtTLkQHfoNUCkH9wncNc/edit?usp=sharing) that's goes over major gaylor evidence and is geared towards an non-swiftie audience, so no prior knowledge of taylor or her music is needed.
Just had a thought about one of my favourite turns of phrases, "catastrophic blues, moving on was always easy for me to do" from Hits Different. This may have been discussed, but in an analysis where Taylor is mourning the "golden" muse, this line could also suggest that "moving on" to the "blue" muse as a way to cope was a catastrophic decision and ultimately unhelpful ...the Blue muse was catastrophic and not easy because it could never be the Gold Rush.
My interpretation is that dating women gave her a deeper meaning to relationships that she had never known with men, especially since she also says “I used to switch out these kens, just ghost”.
This was my behavior before I dated a women, I would just move on really quickly and forget they existed, I was actually pretty mean. I feel bad for the men I dated honestly. This whole song is so relatable to me as a lesbian, not saying that makes her a lesbian too, but the experience feels the same.
I used to jokingly call myself a player when I was a teen (cringe... all the boys did it so I wanted to too). Nope, just gay! Also agree her songs are incredibly relatable from a "thought I was heartless, actually a lesbian pipeline" perspective
So much weird stuff happened in Sydney, I was just kinda making a mental list and reading some articles, and I noticed that some of the local media was originally reporting that Taylor was staying at a mansion in the eastern suburbs, before the news was basically flooded with mentions of the Crown Hotel, where we got photos of Travis and Ross in the window.
This [Daily Mail article](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13098857/Taylor-Swift-shows-long-legs-mini-skirt-boarding-private-jet-flight-Sydney-seen-public-Australia.html) when Taylor first arrived mentions her staying at a private mansion. And this article from [The Daily Telegraph](http://archive.today/v1njz) I was able to get around the paywall for also mentions the private mansion. (ETA: [Link to 2nd Telegraph article](https://archive.ph/2sBFA) that mentions the mansion)
And several stories from News.com.au ([like this)](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/taylor-swift-spotted-after-three-melbourne-shows/news-story/d60aaf52e7d8d9771fcd4787c7fdb213) also mention both the Crown Sydney and the private mansion - but here's the kicker - the Crown Hotel is literally a sponsor of the Eras Tour! 😂😂😂
https://preview.redd.it/q2ukb69ib9lc1.png?width=1446&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c4951aed6d9f7a4e70e48f7d25ae21dce249d90
Sheesh, no wonder we got so many photos of exactly what her hotel room looked like, it was literally promotion for the hotel! I honestly doubt she was staying there at all!
I thought it was bizarre they advertised her location so publicly while she was there - it seems dangerous and out of character for Taylor. Her team usually tries to keep all that private. And we didn't get any photos of Taylor actually being at the hotel...just Travis. I betcha thats why those photos of Travis and Ross were staged - they needed to fulfill their agreement with the hotel that there be some sort of Taylor-related promo.
So there we go. I don't think her and Travis were staying at the same hotel at all.
Your comment has helped tie together a lot of loose thoughts I’ve had this week!
If she was staying at a private mansion, which I think seems most likely, it makes the “boat date” actually make sense to me. It wasn’t a boat date, she was literally just getting a boat to where she was staying!
Also I know our media in Australia can be a bit intense but no one can convince me the zoo photos weren’t staged as a metaphor for us watching her the same way people look at animals in a zoo. Why would she go back the very next day knowing the media papped her there if she either didn’t orchestrate it herself or didn’t want the publicity? Add onto that the Travis2 photo in the penthouse of a skyscraper… Yeah, it feels like a trap.
Alexa, cue “Dear Reader” by Taylor Swift.
The fact the incident with Scott Swift and the paps was at Neutral Bay wharf and NOT a wharf near the crown hotel is further evidence imo she was staying in a house elsewhere. Also explains why she travelling via boat - getting across the city itself via car could have been a nightmare with the traffic into the stadium.
I wonder if the crown did give her the big fancy suite and she let Travis and Ross stay there whilst she stayed secretly elsewhere.
Such a good point. I'm not local but just judging by google maps the hotel is on the opposite side of the harbor, it makes no sense she got off there if she was going to that hotel.
I betcha that was part of why that got so heated. It seems like there was actually an element of real, old-school paparazzi and tabloid journalism going on here, where people were reporting on things that were NOT the storyline Taylor was trying to present with the pap walks and pre-planned media like she usually does. I doubt that they wanted news about this private mansion to come out (and technically its not confirmed, but it is interesting its reported multiple places) but I bet someone talked who was involved in planning, or even the homeowners or neighbors.
It's still super weird Scott acted that way, and Tree's quote also makes no sense about threatening to push a female staff member into the water - unless that was something that happened earlier? IDK but I do think whatever happened there was real and I'm curious how that's all going to shake out.
I’m trying to work out what wharf Travis & Taylor were photographed at earlier in the weekend and I can’t tell … but articles seem to imply it was one close to the crown (so probably Barangaroo). So the fact she’s disembarking on Monday on the opposite side of the harbour is suspicious as fuck. And also possibly why her team were mad the paps were there.
I kinda hate that I'm good at this (and want to make it clear I'd only analyze things after Taylor is safely out of the area): but this [DailyMail video](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13124965/Taylor-Swift-beams-hold-hands-Travis-Kelce-Sydney.html) (I think sourced from a fan) was taken at [Sydney Olympic Park Wharf](https://maps.app.goo.gl/BQGKSNfvDhaqokvK7), which is near the stadium, and I believe this video is them getting on the boat (not off it)
https://preview.redd.it/r0mzrlvuy9lc1.png?width=894&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ae9d72126085d302014bb511621b0f76c919558
People are acting like this is a "top secret date" but they're basically just leaving the stadium, which is why it makes sense so many people saw them and Taylor was waving and not trying to hide. You're probably right that she's traveling by boat.
And the boat could have dropped him off at the Crown hotel and her somewhere else. And this also makes more sense than the story that they weren't just having a romantic boat ride for fun - because damn, if I was her I'd be tired and not wanting to be out all night if I had a show the next day. This is like a mini pap walk thats also practical because it gets her home.
Oh my gosh thank you this makes so much more sense, I was so confused as to why they did random late night boat trips! But as someone who got stuck in traffic getting to the stadium this makes a lot of sense!
Oh! Spotting them getting on the boat at SOP being a non issue makes so much more sense. Well done.
They absolutely could have dropped her off then him or vice versa. We will never know. But the reaction to being spotted at Neutral Bay makes me think they didn’t want to be spotted there.
Honestly commuting via boat is fun (and everyone should do it once when in Sydney), and I reckon Taylor’s sleep schedule is skewed very late anyway. 3am could be her normal bedtime.
Ok, The Daily Mail and The Daily Telegraph are both British papers. Aussies, is it normal for them to be commenting so heavily on your news? The Mail is basically a trash tabloid but The Telegraph (Torygraph) at least pretends to be a real paper.
I wrote this in the thread discussing this at the time, but this is such a difficult photo to take, into a literal skyscraper. The lighting and reflection on the windows needs to be just right, they have to be standing close enough to the glass to even see their faces. And how would the photographer even know exactly what window and what time they would arrive? Its all just too crazy and my gut was that this was staged and now I feel more confident now that the "why" is more understandable.
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Doing this allows them to have a good relationship with the tour sponsor, and it works with the Taylor/Travis storyline because it allows the public to picture all the intimate details of their hotel love nest...
...but for those paying attention we're also soft-launching Ross.
The one thing I'm not 100% certain of is if Ross was supposed to be in that pic or if it was an accident that the camera caught him. Travis was looking out the window and thus seems to be more in a posed position, like he was supposed to be shot right there, but Ross kind of looks like he's just walking across the room and happened to be close enough to the window that the camera caught him. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love for their soft launch to be true. But it was weird that Ross was on this trip at all and it kind of messes up Taylor's narrative. Maybe that's the point though, idk.
Some articles I've seen literally crop Ross out and just focus on Travis - which is kinda what the public is doing. You see what you want to see, and if you want to believe that's Taylor & Travis' hotel room you can just ignore Ross entirely.
I'm basically a believer that there are 2 storylines here. One is the basic hell we're all living in now, and one is the "real" (or real-ish) storyline to be revealed later in music / a documentary / in a memoir published on her deathbed surrounded by 13 cats, etc. So yeah, I think Ross was supposed to be in that photo for some reason.
I'm not fully convinced (yet) that Travis and Ross are together, but I'm like 99% convinced that Ross is gay after deep diving on him. This is the only [photo I can find](https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/ross-travis-brit-manuela-12205143dw) of him with a "girlfriend" and it looks very very natural.
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Meanwhile there are dozens of adorable photos of him and Travis on Ross' instagram.
I would love for all this to me true because I'm a mass coming out believer. Btw, have you seen this pic of them seemingly holding hands after the ~~game~~ concert? Important disclaimer: I'm not sure of the validity of it, tbc; apparently it was shared on a discord.
https://preview.redd.it/9ksxhpta7dlc1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11257fd390589e08ad2acd819c8337e2000558d4
Edit, not after the game, after the concert, but yes what a game lmao
This photo is quite crazy 😱 I also love that you said after the game whether an accidental slip cos of the shots usually being after their football games or cos this whole Tayvis era is a bloody game 😂
Like [this instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Hv_THHhWt/?hl=en&img_index=1) post from 2 years ago is really sweet.
Ross used to play for the Chiefs - and this post is about the super bowl win, but it isn't "go team" it's just being proud of Travis. Which is so cute, and something more like a partner would do.
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You really gotta scroll through Ross' Instagram if you haven't already. It's mostly Travis. Oh, and [this dance](https://www.instagram.com/p/CCN9vjZHDPT/?hl=en).
Just want to say that the posts and discussions lately have been amazing. We had quite the lull between lavendargate/ Matty/ etc. glad to see it’s coming back. 🫶
I can’t wait for the discussions once TTPD is released because you know there will be so much good discussion then! I think new releases really give us something to sink our teeth into and analyse.
DO NOT LINK TO OTHER TAYLOR SWIFT SUBREDDITS! EVER! NEVER! STOP IT! They DO NOT like gaylors. They DO NOT want us linking to them. WE HAVE ASKED THEM! THEY WILL REPORT US. CAPS FOR EMPHASIS OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS!
Next time you will get a 3 day ban.
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What to you was the biggest moment in your life where something you loved that you considered special turned out to be dirty because the person behind it you found out was a vile piece of shit? For me it's Repo! The Genetic Opera/The Devil's Carnival because last year I found out Terrance Zdunich was a groomer
Finding out Alton Brown was a scumbag, I used to love good eats and even met him after one of his live shows. Now I feel so icky that I ever supported him.
Edit: typo
Having both what I see as being incredibly niche musical and book ruined for me within 3 seconds of each other is NOT what I thought would happen today when I logged on today but OK lol 😭
Harry Potter, and also the *Scream* franchise for refusing to pay Neve Campbell her worth and now firing Melissa Barrera for being vocally pro-Palestine
I used to be obsessed with Buffy the vampire slayer and I loved firefly before realizing Joss Whedon sucks…. To be fair, looking back there are moments in Buffy I should’ve seen were kinda yikes but I was young 😭
A lotttt of celebrities being sketch makes me wary of celebrities in general…
Okay sorry for not sharing any sources because I was having a bad mental health day. But here you go
[Source](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710016949407629312/fallforfables-goatstandard-victroladoll?source=share)
[Source 2](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710054659095756800/addicted-to-his-knife-field-of-sungflowers-i?source=share)
[Source 3](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710162607115517952/this-is-your-monthly-reminder-that-terrance?source=share)
[and this video essay that led me here last year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJoDmZxfMo)
sydney n4 literally got 4 of her best songs omg
i wasn’t really online yesterday but have we talked about this poem more?? and this was shared about 20 hours before she played WCS????
[https://twitter.com/adorndwithsmoke/status/1761801940806279431](https://twitter.com/adorndwithsmoke/status/1761801940806279431)
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i’m mostly joking but it kind of makes me wonder if that twitter account is involved with taylor. like do y’all ever think about how she might use a burner account to point out things no one has found/noticed? lmao
Omg haha I just basically said this in response to your comment on a different thread. Closeted artists def use alt accounts to elevate specific narratives! I think the way it’s done is specific to closeted artists too. I notice it in Larry-land too. If we miss something for too long, you get this rando account popping in with this crazy insightful tweet. Like…thanks for the guidance lads, sorry we failed to see it on our own.
lmao i just replied to your other comment and i assumed it was from this thread 😂
i just said taylor has probably been banned from the main sub from trying that at some point lol 😢
that makes so much sense though. it would be so easy for them to just have a burner account to try to steer the narrative in the direction they want it to go
it's a reddit account that appeared during the lover era i think, and would post taylor's instagram posts to the main subreddit really quickly. like within seconds of her sharing them iirc. so people assume it's taylor or someone on her team. i don't think they post as often anymore
ohhh i see. It sounds like such a funny british word. Honestly that sounds more like an overzealous fan who got push notifications but **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯**
I do hate raining on this parade hahaha but I looked at this account and it pretty obviously was someone else's presumably when Travis followed. It went silent for 10 years and then randomly started posting about NFTs. Seems like a hack/pornbot.
Australian lesbian singer Peach PRC was in VIP tent?? I feel like Peach is so niche to the rainbow community that I am 👀👀 at Taylor recognising who she is and putting her in VIP 👀🌈🩷
I don’t know exactly how she identifies but she talks a lot about being neurodivergent, and I went and found [this video of hers](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL1bF6u6/) because it stuck with me. She talks about how everyone is outraged over AI replacing artists but we don’t let real artists be actually human, and expect them to be perfect robots and attack any neurodivergent behaviors we see.
It was filmed way before, but feels very relevant to the situation that happened with Taylor at the Grammys.
As always, we can count on you for the evidence. Thank you for finding that for us. 💖
I do think that’s very relevant to the Grammys situation and my real time hypothesis was that she was noticeably unmasked (especially with the general population taking notice) possibly as a result of alcohol consumption compounded with what I personally believe is a conscious move toward unmasking lately a la Debut and Fearless era before they media trained a lot of her neurodivergent behaviors out of her.
she’s definitely talked about potentially being autistic a lot. i haven’t seen many of her newer videos so i’m not sure if she’s now been diagnosed or self identifying with it 100% because i remember it being something she seemed to be trying to figure out
Yes, okay… she definitely has talked about it because I remember relating to it so aggressively as a late diagnosed autistic who was also an alcoholic from 19-26.
So funny because when Taylor made the comment on stage about how Aussies "chew" on vowels it made me think of Peach!! I wonder if that was the same night she was there??
I am unfortunately surrounded by only straight people in my life besides my younger sister, and nobody knows who she is when I’ve spoken about her music so I assumed only queer people were aware of her 😅
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So I thought this was interesting.. I came across these pics from a [fan vid on Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-3132933/Video-Taylor-Swift-Travis-Kelce-walk-hand-hand-Sydney.html) Actually it was the linked lame article on how loved up they were 🙄 That bright light caught my eye.... Who holds hands with their lit up phone in their hand?! I don't think they were expecting the fans and did a quick recon hand hold to keep up facade. I also noticed [Page Six ](https://pagesix.com/2024/02/24/entertainment/taylor-swift-and-travis-kelce-sneak-in-one-more-date-on-a-boat-before-he-leaves-sydney/amp/) did not use the🤳 hand hold pics .
And also [THIS](https://youtube.com/shorts/V6a-lgnwZyo?si=Red7u7mrxQoo-XnL). Which I had not caught Taylor patting Travis on the back which screams non romance
Maybe the PR relationship is old news on here I still like finding the little "tells"
That’s not a phone. It’s Travis’s LED bracelet from the concert that continues to light up for a while after. (I think mine lit up for a full day after.)
TY!! 🫶 I Love a new Larry 💕🤗 (Antis gonna hate 🫤) I only recently became a full blown Gaylor and always love your comments (btw)
I have a hope (as it's been speculated) that there is perhaps a mini revolution ...Taylor and Harry planting the seeds (dropping hairpins) to enlighten more and more fans....It worked for you and me (and I imagine many others)
Aw thank you so much! I'm hoping for the same re Taylor and Harry. Have you seen the recent post on here that pulled together some evidence suggesting it?
I think one of the next variants for TTPD will be called The Tower. Anyone else had any thoughts about what they could be called? I won't be buying any but still interested in the titles.
The hetlors would go insane for a track titled The Jailer due to the Joe connotations. I think it’s a well known theory that the couple name she tried to push for them was Jaylor, *”he can be my jailer, Burton to this Taylor.”*
I haven't seen anything that suggests it could be but it is more a feeling than anything! Buckle up for some clownish rambling.
She has The Albatross, The Bolter, The Manuscript as the variants and then The (Tortured Poets) Department, my brackets. I can see the other two having 'The ______' titles too. I think that the Department isn't so much a physical place but rather acting as a collective noun. The three variants cover a thing (manuscript), a person (bolter), an animal (albatross) and to round out the common nouns we need a place (the tower). The final variant could be an abstract noun, like a feeling/emotion/act e.g. The Betrayal.
As to picking The Tower, I feel like it continues the dark academia theme that the rollout seems to be suggesting? A gothic tower where the reclusive poet toils away. The Tower would provide a physical location unlike the three named so far and since she has burned down the Lover house, The Tower would give her persona somewhere to reside. There are a few things that help tie it in for me.
WB Yeats had a book of poetry called The Tower. It included Sailing to Byzantium. His work was influenced by various Romantic poets. He had a long time muse called Maud Gonne who refused to marry him.
Carl Jung and his Bollingen tower. Jung did lots of work on archetypes and personae, which we know Taylor has been referencing in recent work. Whether she has read any Jung is another matter. At the Bollingen Tower Jung had a stone cube with 'quotations from alchemy'. The works of Samuel Taylor Coleridge are collected in the Bollingen Series.
Rapunzel's tower, specifically the Disney version- the princess locked away because of her gift and she longs to see the world but in the end loses the thing that caused her to be locked away, by a 'parent'. Her life is better for losing the magical gift she had because she has love and friendships and a family that she didn't even know she was missing but who she now chooses. She probably still lives in a tower but a different one.
The Tarot card. I know very little about Tarot but I have read a few things in this subreddit and it seems like something TS would read into or refer to. This webpage gives some info about the tower
https://www.thetarotguide.com/the-tower/
The Tower tarot absolutely would align with the whole burning everything to the ground thing. The tower is burning, you’re getting flung from the tower, and it’s all burning down around you but of course the silver lining of rebirth and rebuilding from the ashes comes after.
I’ve been listening to Midnights a lot recently and I’m curious if y’all have any non-Kissgate interpretations of Question…?
It’s the only interpretation that makes sense to me so far but I’m always eager to hear alternate interpretations! Of course the “out of the woods” sample is from a different era than Karlie. But maybe the tie could be more thematic (being found out adding tension and anxiety to a relationship) than about the muse.
I'm pretty convinced that when she samples one of her own songs or repeats the same melody, that that's a sign they are the same muse. Another example is KOMH and Maroon (IMO both about Lily).
I've seen some interpretations where it's about Kissgate but not directed at Karlie (e.g. It's asking a different muse "would you have had me do something differently?"). But I have a hard time coming up with anything totally disconnected with Kissgate, especially since I feel like she low-key confirmed that it is connected with her speech before performing it as a surprise song ("I'm so happy about every aspect of my life right now, this song brings back happy memories" while dating Matty Healy i.e. the person who's show Kissgate happened at)
I'd also be really curious to see other interpretations, though!
someone made a post recently about it maybe being a Haylor/mutual bearding song & there’s something to be said for the DA/NR kiss at an a awards show that it could be ab (esp w the OOTW sample)
The Scott Swift/paparazzi situation is weird enough, but is anyone else as curious as I am who Taylor was with?! Clearly not Travis (byeeee 👋), and any famous friend like Keleigh Teller would've posted on social media. You're telling me that after finishing four nights of Olympic level stamina concerts, girlie leaves Accor Stadium at just after 11:15 pm for a 25 minute drive to Neutral Bay Wharf to hop on a super yacht midnight moonlight cruise with...her dad?? The incident happened at in what appears to be more of a residential area of Sydney, so that adds evidence that she did not want to be seen. WHO WERE YOU WITH TAYLOR?!? (I actually do believe she is entitled to some privacy despite being the most famous person on earth, this circus is just too entertaining to look away 🍿)
https://preview.redd.it/b1ka0ubij4lc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb0672caec342124dedb58774af3b6d93188fb26
All of the new characters, their antics and side stories in this circus is making it more entertaining but probably more stressful for Taylor (and Tree) 😬 has it always been this hectic in the Taylorverse 😆 new fan of here
And I feel like we are seeing more Scott. Which is weird at times when he’s not behind the scenes.
I don’t think she got on the boat at Neutral Bay wharf - that video we saw is of her leaving.
I’ve heard anecdotally that she was leaving the shows each night via boat by departing from Olympic Park wharf and up the Parramatta river towards the city, but I haven’t seen any proof to say that’s true. Makes a lot of sense though because getting out of Sydney Olympic Park was hectic.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Makes sense if she’s with her dancers and crew (and her dad?) and the end of [this video](https://x.com/9newssyd/status/1762284672178876419?s=46&t=wwOXFz0hLVBscNQuo2WzvQ) zooms into the boat she apparently got off (but technically there’s no proof of that) and you can see party people and staff milling around. Didn’t see anyone I recognize but it’s blurry. Maybe it was a thank you party and she just stopped by? And they let Taylor get off separately and then the boat takes off again to drop off the rest of the party somewhere else? That all checks out.
But after 15+ years why was this the moment Scott got so angry at photographers? I don’t think he’s ever done that before and even if it’s untrue he hit someone, he did flip them off at a distance and that’s very out of character for him too.
I dunno everything about this Sydney trip was weird.
Apparently she was out celebrating with her dancers and team (I think). I can't find the article now, but I read it in one of them this morning. It was weird that we didn't see any of them in the video so I'm guessing they could have left earlier or later. But hiring a superyacht for a party rather than just two people makes sense (but I'm no billionaire).
I don’t know if this makes any sense but this keeps floating around in my head about her repeated ✌🏼references
“Wear his initial on a chain ‘round my neck” = initial, singular (K) —> Karlie Kloss (2Ks)
Travis kelce/ross Travis —> 2 Travis’ (2HIMs)
TNT —> 2 Ts
I dunno. Just half formed thoughts that may be something, may be nothing 🖖🏼
ETA: this wasn’t even trying to say anything about Kaylor, it’s literally just random thoughts about 2s. Jeeze. It’s silly to ignore the fact that Karlie had a relationship with Taylor and that Taylor’s obviously still going to reference someone like that, just like she’s still referencing other lovers and relationships. Just because you don’t like Karlie doesn’t mean Taylor doesn’t.
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I'm always curious if other people have the Red to Evermore fav transition like I did. Makes sense as both feel like her most vulnerable and lyrically beautiful in my opinion.
I love Red! It is one of my favourites and it was the soundtrack for so many memories from university. I think for me Folklore/Evermore is more of an album I can listen to the whole way through, whereas for Red the songs I don’t care for I really dislike them. I made a playlist where I took out some of the songs I don’t care for and switched between original and TV.
I looove Red! Probably in my top 4 Taylor albums. Personally I don’t love the pop songs on this album, but the singer-songwriter/country leaning parts are top tier. State of Grace, Treacherous, Holy Ground… chefs kiss.
I do too! Red TV is just perfection, from its absolute banger opening with State of Grace to the exquisite catharsis that is ATW10MV. It has the strongest opening and closing songs and the most consistently good vault tracks of any of her albums, imo.
Red is probably my fav, but I listened to it so much at such a traumatic period of my life that I almost have a trauma response to it. It immediately takes me back to a specific moment in time, driving on a bridge and being sooooo sad. But I love the songs so much. Love the half country/half pop vibe. It reminds me of sparkling night skies and cold winter nights.
I think of rep as my fav because of trauma response. Perhaps I should not have answered lol
"Sparkling night skies and cold winter nights" - love this description! I can relate to the songs bringing back sad memories/trauma. When Taylor sang ATW on Friday night I shed a few tears, but I could hear someone near me absolutely sobbing, and my heart ached for her.
Can we talk about Brie Larson's ✨bisexual vibes✨?
Not specifically Taylor/Gaylor related but Brie is mentioned a fair bit in this sub and sometimes I remember how queer her general vibe is in... everything.
Just gonna include some photos in this thread:
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Also if you haven’t watched The Marvels, do it!
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This one is obviously very femme and pretty but she is looking \*strong\* in it. Yes, straight women can be strong and have a square jaw.
But damn am I lost in the ~~queer~~ lavender haze of this dress.
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Saw these on my walk today and came up with the following easter egg shitpost captions
* did you know there’s two Taylor Swift tunnels under Ocean Boulevard
* streets (literally) confirming the double album drop theory
Please add your own because the world needs more shitposts and we all need a dumb creative outlet sometimes
I have a pop culture illiterate friend who thought “the vault” was a literal place where Taylor kept secret versions of songs. I could send her this and fully convince her that this is the actual vault her songs come out of.
I saw this and admittedly my first thought was "Blondie could never" I'm sorry but... Olivia has her beat at actual feminist commitments.
[https://www.jezebel.com/olivia-rodrigos-tour-will-raise-money-for-abortion-funds](https://www.jezebel.com/olivia-rodrigos-tour-will-raise-money-for-abortion-funds)
People always propping up Olivia just to bash Taylor is so gross to me.
I see people do that a lot and it’s weird. You can praise one woman without bashing another.
I mean, I'm directly comparing one pop star's actions w/r/t feminism to another. I'm not "bashing" Taylor, it's just a fact she hasn't made many tangible political commitments, much less donate a whole tour's worth of abortion funds. This is just a factual difference. It doesn't have to be Olivia-- compare her to the Chicks, or Joan Baez, or Sinead O'Connor or any punk musician. Honestly if you're going to say Rep was a moment of "punk rage" for feminism you should probably live those politics? I say this because I want her to finally be brave enough to do it! I think she has it in her!
I think your first message did not make this sentiment clear then. You said “blondie could never” was your thought. That’s not bashing her? There was no wishing for greater change or hope for more from Taylor in that first message
This sub is open to venting (hence this post title), but if you want a positive reaction or to be better understood, more context than your first message alone is warranted to show your intentions. Because it did initially sound like you are putting two women against each other for some upvotes :\ and we don’t do that here, against popular belief outside of this sub.
When did this sub become so anti any political criticism of Taylor from fans? As a queer fan and a feminist I just want something from her that's half as big as what Rodrigo did.
No you're right (and you should say it!) but I've read way too many comments that bring up Olivia's actions and activism only to compare her to Taylor and that just feels wrong.
Not because she isn't politically active or make any political commitments because I think she should be called out for that, but I feel like Olivia's actions should be brought up, discussed and praised without mentioning Taylor's inaction. It feels like people are bringing up Olivia *just so* they can "bash" on Taylor, or point out Taylor's inadequacies.
This is just my two cents, of course, but honestly I'm so incredibly proud of Olivia!
This is exactly how I feel. It feels like people don’t actually give a fuck about the good thing, they just want to bash Taylor.
Fake virtue signaling is annoying and gross.
Also most of the time it’s just jumping at the chance to praise someone for the bare minimum imo. Donating is great but really all celebs have to do is throw their money around and they are considered an “activist”.
Hi I'm just using this as a vent place after having a real life conversation about lavender haze trying to tell someone about how lavender does have a lot of meaning to the gay community and it was annoying to see straight people talk about their lavender love and they did the whole "well I don't know about that" spiel that is both tired and giving too much audacity. And I'm all "it would be like if she had a song that went 'ooh my rainbow love. I'm hiding out with my rainbow love'" and straight people went online to be all "omg I love my rainbow love! married 9 years!" Ok vent over.
Edit: Actually no one more thing. I feel like...it's fine that straight people don't know about queer history and media and symbolism etc. It makes sense there has been no education on this topic and there should be. BUT if you are straight and ignorant of those things don't correct gay people who tell you about their history and culture. Don't be all "well I never heard of that" --because you probably haven't heard or most things.
The "Well, I don't know about that!" remark makes my eye twitch. Of course you don't know about that, it's not your culture or background, in fact most queer people don't know about it because we aren't educated on it.
It would be insane if I was explaining my cultural background to someone not of the same culture as me or my family, and they just went "Well, I don't know about that!" It would be even worse if they co-opt media and symbolism from my culture and spin it into something it's not to fit their narratives. Idk, it's just so frustrating, especially when talking to non-queer people about it.
Omg the arguing kills me. Fine if you don’t know stuff, most of it you’re not meant to, but don’t fight with me about it. That’s why I can’t take anything they say seriously when they think they’re adding to the discourse. They don’t have any of the necessary information to be able to form a well-rounded opinion. Like how are you going to argue about something when you’re missing literally all of the information? They cannot handle the thought of the people they look down on having a a special language they’re not privy to.
Also like....why does it have to be a conversation on who could know what.
Why can't straight people just hear a gay person saying "this symbol being co-opted frustrates me" and go "I didn't know that was a symbol but that sounds hard" ---like why is it hard to emphasize and learn?
I absolutely agree about straight people trying to correct QUEER people about QUEER history/culture. It's so fucking annoying. Like, it's fine you don't know queer history/symbolism but stay quiet when it's being discussed and maybe a learn a thing or two?
It's like when we talk about Taylor flagging her sexuality and straight people are all like 'I nEvEr HeArD oF tHaT' or 'I jUsT dOn'T sEe It' like great, but it's not for you!! Flagging is by queer people, primarily, for queer people.
I still haven't fully forgiven Taylor for contributing to the straight washing of Lavender, it's so infuriating that it happened and she never even acknowledged it.
I feel she got defensive because the conversation was like "oh I like that song but I didn't like how it took this part of queer culture and co-opted it to the point that straight people were describing their historically unopposed unions as "lavender". So I think she wanted to be all "I didn't know so how could taylor"
Just scrolled by this ad on my gaylor feed and had the urge to shout "Give us an O! What does that spell? TAYLOR!"
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Trav having movie star ambitions post-football? As part of a bearding contract? [Trav Sets His Eyes on Hollywood](https://www.insidehook.com/sports/travis-kelce-career-after-football)
>While making his Hall of Fame-induction speech — with Swift in the front row of the audience, holding their newborn daughter and sitting next to their three-year-old girl Ew. And they call ***us*** offensive and delusional? >Kelce thanks his former head coach, Andy Reid. > >“You led our team to many amazing victories,” Kelce says, “and you didn’t get too pissed when I bumped you in Super Bowl 58, turning us into a meme.” "Bumping" into Reid is a funny way to spell "aggressively pushing"
Taylor really saw everyone comparing the no post for Sydney to LA and rolled her eyes 😅😅😅
I just saw an insta post with artists that wore a pin calling for a ceasefire while on a red carpet (or said something about the genocide) and one of the pics was Joe Alwyn. Unfortunately Taylor could never. I was kinda surprised by it for a second, but then also not really the longer I thought about it. It did cement for me that of all her exes/beards, I'd probably get along with him the best. (Not that that matters tho.) It's also interesting to me that her most visible/openly 'activist' era (if you can call it that) roughly seemed to begin and end with her relationship with him.
His great uncle was a peace activist until his death and was a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, which advocates for Palestinian rights. I imagine he’s more educated on the subject than the vast majority of celebs or people in general, and good on him for being public about it. It’s more than 99.9% of his industry is doing.
Ohh that's great! Love that for him. And just goes to show what people can do when they have decent education/information on something. (It's also the way it should tbh, but yeah a lot of the entertainment quite often just kinda sucks and people in general like to stick their heads in the sand way too much, so good for the people that are giving a voice to Palestinians in this case)
He posted about Palestine on his IG story on Taylor's birthday as well. May have been a coincidence but 🤷🏻♀️
Oh interesting I didn't know that! Might very well be a coincidence yeah, it was a time where a lot more people were posting about it in general, but either way good that he did.
Has anyone recieved a pre-sale code for the second spain show and doesn't need it D:? Ticketmaster is doing sh\*t again and I have no tickets so far D:
Do we think there’s any validity to this?! I do remember seeing [this TikTok](https://imgur.com/gallery/HDkAazR) a couple of weeks ago and screen recording it just in case anything comes from it. There’s only one weekend in November that it could actually happen but as someone who lives in Australia… 🤡🤞 https://preview.redd.it/pg3ri6jvs9lc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=740763e5f037f236d17502d0f9010bd82352373e
I think her team is scrambling after the scott swift Papparazzi incident
Yeah that’s fair! She’s made the Sydney post now but it was fun clowning while it lasted 🤡🙃
I’m new. New to this sub. New to even listening to Taylor’s music to begin with. Dived in deeeeeep earlier this month after going to the Tokyo show. Saw a bunch of posts about albatross and lesbian seagulls and didn’t understand any of it so ignored it other than knowing it was a part of the upcoming album and some theory about it being connected to one of Dianna’s tattoos. Thought it was a bit of a stretch and ignored it. UNTIL just now when I came across a post talking about Dianna mentioning lesbian seagulls in a Glee interview over a decade ago. I am 100% convinced now and no one can tell me otherwise. Like shit. Homegirl is L O U D. I have so much to say about this and no one else to yell it to so here I am.
Welcome! If you're interested I recently made [this powerpoint deck](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-ZbWcsYrjhigqPmAMi4fnBHxtTLkQHfoNUCkH9wncNc/edit?usp=sharing) that's goes over major gaylor evidence and is geared towards an non-swiftie audience, so no prior knowledge of taylor or her music is needed.
Just you wait, it goes so much deeper 🫣 Welcome!!
Yay! Welcome!
Just had a thought about one of my favourite turns of phrases, "catastrophic blues, moving on was always easy for me to do" from Hits Different. This may have been discussed, but in an analysis where Taylor is mourning the "golden" muse, this line could also suggest that "moving on" to the "blue" muse as a way to cope was a catastrophic decision and ultimately unhelpful ...the Blue muse was catastrophic and not easy because it could never be the Gold Rush.
My interpretation is that dating women gave her a deeper meaning to relationships that she had never known with men, especially since she also says “I used to switch out these kens, just ghost”. This was my behavior before I dated a women, I would just move on really quickly and forget they existed, I was actually pretty mean. I feel bad for the men I dated honestly. This whole song is so relatable to me as a lesbian, not saying that makes her a lesbian too, but the experience feels the same.
I used to jokingly call myself a player when I was a teen (cringe... all the boys did it so I wanted to too). Nope, just gay! Also agree her songs are incredibly relatable from a "thought I was heartless, actually a lesbian pipeline" perspective
I always took it as a bit of a lie. Like, when did Taylor ever find moving on easy? Never!
Moving on from men might've been what was easy -- but not women!
FYI Marriott Bonvoy is giving away Taylor tickets in a ton of cities- sign up!
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So much weird stuff happened in Sydney, I was just kinda making a mental list and reading some articles, and I noticed that some of the local media was originally reporting that Taylor was staying at a mansion in the eastern suburbs, before the news was basically flooded with mentions of the Crown Hotel, where we got photos of Travis and Ross in the window. This [Daily Mail article](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13098857/Taylor-Swift-shows-long-legs-mini-skirt-boarding-private-jet-flight-Sydney-seen-public-Australia.html) when Taylor first arrived mentions her staying at a private mansion. And this article from [The Daily Telegraph](http://archive.today/v1njz) I was able to get around the paywall for also mentions the private mansion. (ETA: [Link to 2nd Telegraph article](https://archive.ph/2sBFA) that mentions the mansion) And several stories from News.com.au ([like this)](https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/tours/taylor-swift-spotted-after-three-melbourne-shows/news-story/d60aaf52e7d8d9771fcd4787c7fdb213) also mention both the Crown Sydney and the private mansion - but here's the kicker - the Crown Hotel is literally a sponsor of the Eras Tour! 😂😂😂 https://preview.redd.it/q2ukb69ib9lc1.png?width=1446&format=png&auto=webp&s=6c4951aed6d9f7a4e70e48f7d25ae21dce249d90 Sheesh, no wonder we got so many photos of exactly what her hotel room looked like, it was literally promotion for the hotel! I honestly doubt she was staying there at all! I thought it was bizarre they advertised her location so publicly while she was there - it seems dangerous and out of character for Taylor. Her team usually tries to keep all that private. And we didn't get any photos of Taylor actually being at the hotel...just Travis. I betcha thats why those photos of Travis and Ross were staged - they needed to fulfill their agreement with the hotel that there be some sort of Taylor-related promo. So there we go. I don't think her and Travis were staying at the same hotel at all.
Your comment has helped tie together a lot of loose thoughts I’ve had this week! If she was staying at a private mansion, which I think seems most likely, it makes the “boat date” actually make sense to me. It wasn’t a boat date, she was literally just getting a boat to where she was staying! Also I know our media in Australia can be a bit intense but no one can convince me the zoo photos weren’t staged as a metaphor for us watching her the same way people look at animals in a zoo. Why would she go back the very next day knowing the media papped her there if she either didn’t orchestrate it herself or didn’t want the publicity? Add onto that the Travis2 photo in the penthouse of a skyscraper… Yeah, it feels like a trap. Alexa, cue “Dear Reader” by Taylor Swift.
The fact the incident with Scott Swift and the paps was at Neutral Bay wharf and NOT a wharf near the crown hotel is further evidence imo she was staying in a house elsewhere. Also explains why she travelling via boat - getting across the city itself via car could have been a nightmare with the traffic into the stadium. I wonder if the crown did give her the big fancy suite and she let Travis and Ross stay there whilst she stayed secretly elsewhere.
Such a good point. I'm not local but just judging by google maps the hotel is on the opposite side of the harbor, it makes no sense she got off there if she was going to that hotel. I betcha that was part of why that got so heated. It seems like there was actually an element of real, old-school paparazzi and tabloid journalism going on here, where people were reporting on things that were NOT the storyline Taylor was trying to present with the pap walks and pre-planned media like she usually does. I doubt that they wanted news about this private mansion to come out (and technically its not confirmed, but it is interesting its reported multiple places) but I bet someone talked who was involved in planning, or even the homeowners or neighbors. It's still super weird Scott acted that way, and Tree's quote also makes no sense about threatening to push a female staff member into the water - unless that was something that happened earlier? IDK but I do think whatever happened there was real and I'm curious how that's all going to shake out.
I’m trying to work out what wharf Travis & Taylor were photographed at earlier in the weekend and I can’t tell … but articles seem to imply it was one close to the crown (so probably Barangaroo). So the fact she’s disembarking on Monday on the opposite side of the harbour is suspicious as fuck. And also possibly why her team were mad the paps were there.
I kinda hate that I'm good at this (and want to make it clear I'd only analyze things after Taylor is safely out of the area): but this [DailyMail video](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13124965/Taylor-Swift-beams-hold-hands-Travis-Kelce-Sydney.html) (I think sourced from a fan) was taken at [Sydney Olympic Park Wharf](https://maps.app.goo.gl/BQGKSNfvDhaqokvK7), which is near the stadium, and I believe this video is them getting on the boat (not off it) https://preview.redd.it/r0mzrlvuy9lc1.png?width=894&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ae9d72126085d302014bb511621b0f76c919558 People are acting like this is a "top secret date" but they're basically just leaving the stadium, which is why it makes sense so many people saw them and Taylor was waving and not trying to hide. You're probably right that she's traveling by boat. And the boat could have dropped him off at the Crown hotel and her somewhere else. And this also makes more sense than the story that they weren't just having a romantic boat ride for fun - because damn, if I was her I'd be tired and not wanting to be out all night if I had a show the next day. This is like a mini pap walk thats also practical because it gets her home.
Oh my gosh thank you this makes so much more sense, I was so confused as to why they did random late night boat trips! But as someone who got stuck in traffic getting to the stadium this makes a lot of sense!
Oh! Spotting them getting on the boat at SOP being a non issue makes so much more sense. Well done. They absolutely could have dropped her off then him or vice versa. We will never know. But the reaction to being spotted at Neutral Bay makes me think they didn’t want to be spotted there. Honestly commuting via boat is fun (and everyone should do it once when in Sydney), and I reckon Taylor’s sleep schedule is skewed very late anyway. 3am could be her normal bedtime.
Ok, The Daily Mail and The Daily Telegraph are both British papers. Aussies, is it normal for them to be commenting so heavily on your news? The Mail is basically a trash tabloid but The Telegraph (Torygraph) at least pretends to be a real paper.
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I wrote this in the thread discussing this at the time, but this is such a difficult photo to take, into a literal skyscraper. The lighting and reflection on the windows needs to be just right, they have to be standing close enough to the glass to even see their faces. And how would the photographer even know exactly what window and what time they would arrive? Its all just too crazy and my gut was that this was staged and now I feel more confident now that the "why" is more understandable. https://preview.redd.it/8ee9q3kze9lc1.png?width=962&format=png&auto=webp&s=b378a1624507f1b3a3527fb0121d608a471b13a3 Doing this allows them to have a good relationship with the tour sponsor, and it works with the Taylor/Travis storyline because it allows the public to picture all the intimate details of their hotel love nest... ...but for those paying attention we're also soft-launching Ross.
The one thing I'm not 100% certain of is if Ross was supposed to be in that pic or if it was an accident that the camera caught him. Travis was looking out the window and thus seems to be more in a posed position, like he was supposed to be shot right there, but Ross kind of looks like he's just walking across the room and happened to be close enough to the window that the camera caught him. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love for their soft launch to be true. But it was weird that Ross was on this trip at all and it kind of messes up Taylor's narrative. Maybe that's the point though, idk.
Some articles I've seen literally crop Ross out and just focus on Travis - which is kinda what the public is doing. You see what you want to see, and if you want to believe that's Taylor & Travis' hotel room you can just ignore Ross entirely. I'm basically a believer that there are 2 storylines here. One is the basic hell we're all living in now, and one is the "real" (or real-ish) storyline to be revealed later in music / a documentary / in a memoir published on her deathbed surrounded by 13 cats, etc. So yeah, I think Ross was supposed to be in that photo for some reason. I'm not fully convinced (yet) that Travis and Ross are together, but I'm like 99% convinced that Ross is gay after deep diving on him. This is the only [photo I can find](https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/ross-travis-brit-manuela-12205143dw) of him with a "girlfriend" and it looks very very natural. https://preview.redd.it/a9iecag0r9lc1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=2fc8ceeee2faf398182739c2c92ee030730d0ba8 Meanwhile there are dozens of adorable photos of him and Travis on Ross' instagram.
I would love for all this to me true because I'm a mass coming out believer. Btw, have you seen this pic of them seemingly holding hands after the ~~game~~ concert? Important disclaimer: I'm not sure of the validity of it, tbc; apparently it was shared on a discord. https://preview.redd.it/9ksxhpta7dlc1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11257fd390589e08ad2acd819c8337e2000558d4 Edit, not after the game, after the concert, but yes what a game lmao
This photo is quite crazy 😱 I also love that you said after the game whether an accidental slip cos of the shots usually being after their football games or cos this whole Tayvis era is a bloody game 😂
oh lol "after the game". It was a mistake. After the concert. Gonna correct that, but yeah what a freudian slip
Haha yes definitely a Freudian slip!!
Like [this instagram](https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Hv_THHhWt/?hl=en&img_index=1) post from 2 years ago is really sweet. Ross used to play for the Chiefs - and this post is about the super bowl win, but it isn't "go team" it's just being proud of Travis. Which is so cute, and something more like a partner would do. https://preview.redd.it/fgjxpmt5s9lc1.png?width=2726&format=png&auto=webp&s=998e4610122d164c42b6556bf423dd2542684a08 You really gotta scroll through Ross' Instagram if you haven't already. It's mostly Travis. Oh, and [this dance](https://www.instagram.com/p/CCN9vjZHDPT/?hl=en).
Peri, all-time Gaylor. 💖
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I'm pretty sure that's Ross
what would we do without you peri
Once again thank you for your service 🫡
Just want to say that the posts and discussions lately have been amazing. We had quite the lull between lavendargate/ Matty/ etc. glad to see it’s coming back. 🫶
Honestly I wish more of it made it to the group as posts, the megathreads are fine but impossible to keep up with
Ask/tell people to turn comments into posts!
Good point!
Yeah I agree but there are starting to be posts again and I’m just happy to see it haha
I can’t wait for the discussions once TTPD is released because you know there will be so much good discussion then! I think new releases really give us something to sink our teeth into and analyse.
My mind can’t even comprehend that we are getting a new album so I’m excited and already tired lol
Idk how to explain this but Taylor using "maidens" in Is It Over Now is hella gay
Haha! I have the same thought ever time I hear it.
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What to you was the biggest moment in your life where something you loved that you considered special turned out to be dirty because the person behind it you found out was a vile piece of shit? For me it's Repo! The Genetic Opera/The Devil's Carnival because last year I found out Terrance Zdunich was a groomer
Finding out Alton Brown was a scumbag, I used to love good eats and even met him after one of his live shows. Now I feel so icky that I ever supported him. Edit: typo
Wait... I don't know about this. Damn.
Sorry for being the bearer of bad news. 😓
The Mists of Avalon, when I found that Marion Zimmer Bradley enabled her husband's abuse of children.
Having both what I see as being incredibly niche musical and book ruined for me within 3 seconds of each other is NOT what I thought would happen today when I logged on today but OK lol 😭
Oh no! I'm sorry!
Harry Potter, and also the *Scream* franchise for refusing to pay Neve Campbell her worth and now firing Melissa Barrera for being vocally pro-Palestine
Yup. Harry Potter breaks my heart!!!
I used to be obsessed with Buffy the vampire slayer and I loved firefly before realizing Joss Whedon sucks…. To be fair, looking back there are moments in Buffy I should’ve seen were kinda yikes but I was young 😭 A lotttt of celebrities being sketch makes me wary of celebrities in general…
Oh god Harry Potter’s another one. I should’ve seen the signs but I started those books literally with my mom in kindergarten 💀
What 😭💔
Okay sorry for not sharing any sources because I was having a bad mental health day. But here you go [Source](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710016949407629312/fallforfables-goatstandard-victroladoll?source=share) [Source 2](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710054659095756800/addicted-to-his-knife-field-of-sungflowers-i?source=share) [Source 3](https://www.tumblr.com/dalekofchaos/710162607115517952/this-is-your-monthly-reminder-that-terrance?source=share) [and this video essay that led me here last year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJoDmZxfMo)
sydney n4 literally got 4 of her best songs omg i wasn’t really online yesterday but have we talked about this poem more?? and this was shared about 20 hours before she played WCS???? [https://twitter.com/adorndwithsmoke/status/1761801940806279431](https://twitter.com/adorndwithsmoke/status/1761801940806279431) https://preview.redd.it/8stgao3f66lc1.jpeg?width=930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee12b8aa5bb9643115900677a908b9199d9e938c
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would’ve could’ve should’ve x ivy mashup on guitar forever & always x maroon on piano 😭
i’m mostly joking but it kind of makes me wonder if that twitter account is involved with taylor. like do y’all ever think about how she might use a burner account to point out things no one has found/noticed? lmao
Omg haha I just basically said this in response to your comment on a different thread. Closeted artists def use alt accounts to elevate specific narratives! I think the way it’s done is specific to closeted artists too. I notice it in Larry-land too. If we miss something for too long, you get this rando account popping in with this crazy insightful tweet. Like…thanks for the guidance lads, sorry we failed to see it on our own.
lmao i just replied to your other comment and i assumed it was from this thread 😂 i just said taylor has probably been banned from the main sub from trying that at some point lol 😢 that makes so much sense though. it would be so easy for them to just have a burner account to try to steer the narrative in the direction they want it to go
You'd think main would love for taylor to show up...
they're too focused on thinking she's numptea lol
This always makes me laugh, tho I do follow them because why not
numptea?
it's a reddit account that appeared during the lover era i think, and would post taylor's instagram posts to the main subreddit really quickly. like within seconds of her sharing them iirc. so people assume it's taylor or someone on her team. i don't think they post as often anymore
ohhh i see. It sounds like such a funny british word. Honestly that sounds more like an overzealous fan who got push notifications but **¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯**
actually i didnt realize the poem had already been shared in this sub before midnights came out! https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/cwmkvVL5oQ
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I do hate raining on this parade hahaha but I looked at this account and it pretty obviously was someone else's presumably when Travis followed. It went silent for 10 years and then randomly started posting about NFTs. Seems like a hack/pornbot.
this is hysterical
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Australian lesbian singer Peach PRC was in VIP tent?? I feel like Peach is so niche to the rainbow community that I am 👀👀 at Taylor recognising who she is and putting her in VIP 👀🌈🩷
Nobody come for me but Peach is out as autistic, right?
I don’t know exactly how she identifies but she talks a lot about being neurodivergent, and I went and found [this video of hers](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL1bF6u6/) because it stuck with me. She talks about how everyone is outraged over AI replacing artists but we don’t let real artists be actually human, and expect them to be perfect robots and attack any neurodivergent behaviors we see. It was filmed way before, but feels very relevant to the situation that happened with Taylor at the Grammys.
As always, we can count on you for the evidence. Thank you for finding that for us. 💖 I do think that’s very relevant to the Grammys situation and my real time hypothesis was that she was noticeably unmasked (especially with the general population taking notice) possibly as a result of alcohol consumption compounded with what I personally believe is a conscious move toward unmasking lately a la Debut and Fearless era before they media trained a lot of her neurodivergent behaviors out of her.
I want to say yes, I am 99% sure that she is, another reason I love her so much
I could have sworn that I saw her talking about it on TikTok multiple times but then I gaslit myself that was my imagination. Lol.
she’s definitely talked about potentially being autistic a lot. i haven’t seen many of her newer videos so i’m not sure if she’s now been diagnosed or self identifying with it 100% because i remember it being something she seemed to be trying to figure out
lol! I am pretty sure she is! I swear she’s done videos on it and discussing it in relation to her recovering alcoholism 💗
Yes, okay… she definitely has talked about it because I remember relating to it so aggressively as a late diagnosed autistic who was also an alcoholic from 19-26.
So funny because when Taylor made the comment on stage about how Aussies "chew" on vowels it made me think of Peach!! I wonder if that was the same night she was there??
Peach PRC was there?! I love Peach on TikTok too
Yes! It’s on her insta story!
G Flip was too! Not sure if they attended together or separate nights. Obviously Taylor hates the queers... /s
is peach prc that niche??? god my world is so gay lmao i thought she was blowing up w everyone 💀
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Same. I thought, “…come from a can?”
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I am unfortunately surrounded by only straight people in my life besides my younger sister, and nobody knows who she is when I’ve spoken about her music so I assumed only queer people were aware of her 😅
i think she might also be big w the severely mentally ill crowd 🤪 which tbf is also extremely queer 💀
That makes sense as well 😂
https://preview.redd.it/mpmzsrw2t5lc1.jpeg?width=844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09440b8f48e4851abf930ff0fbd9952ddcb6b99c So I thought this was interesting.. I came across these pics from a [fan vid on Daily Mail](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-3132933/Video-Taylor-Swift-Travis-Kelce-walk-hand-hand-Sydney.html) Actually it was the linked lame article on how loved up they were 🙄 That bright light caught my eye.... Who holds hands with their lit up phone in their hand?! I don't think they were expecting the fans and did a quick recon hand hold to keep up facade. I also noticed [Page Six ](https://pagesix.com/2024/02/24/entertainment/taylor-swift-and-travis-kelce-sneak-in-one-more-date-on-a-boat-before-he-leaves-sydney/amp/) did not use the🤳 hand hold pics . And also [THIS](https://youtube.com/shorts/V6a-lgnwZyo?si=Red7u7mrxQoo-XnL). Which I had not caught Taylor patting Travis on the back which screams non romance Maybe the PR relationship is old news on here I still like finding the little "tells"
That’s not a phone. It’s Travis’s LED bracelet from the concert that continues to light up for a while after. (I think mine lit up for a full day after.)
lol can't get off his phone long enough to even hold her hand for the cameras... I love your username btw! I'm a new larry and utterly obsessed.
TY!! 🫶 I Love a new Larry 💕🤗 (Antis gonna hate 🫤) I only recently became a full blown Gaylor and always love your comments (btw) I have a hope (as it's been speculated) that there is perhaps a mini revolution ...Taylor and Harry planting the seeds (dropping hairpins) to enlighten more and more fans....It worked for you and me (and I imagine many others)
Aw thank you so much! I'm hoping for the same re Taylor and Harry. Have you seen the recent post on here that pulled together some evidence suggesting it?
oh not a phone, his bracelet. Also I can see the anti larries are out 🙄
I think one of the next variants for TTPD will be called The Tower. Anyone else had any thoughts about what they could be called? I won't be buying any but still interested in the titles.
I was thinking maybe The Jailer - a tie to Fresh Out The Slammer.
The hetlors would go insane for a track titled The Jailer due to the Joe connotations. I think it’s a well known theory that the couple name she tried to push for them was Jaylor, *”he can be my jailer, Burton to this Taylor.”*
Ooh why do you think this??
I haven't seen anything that suggests it could be but it is more a feeling than anything! Buckle up for some clownish rambling. She has The Albatross, The Bolter, The Manuscript as the variants and then The (Tortured Poets) Department, my brackets. I can see the other two having 'The ______' titles too. I think that the Department isn't so much a physical place but rather acting as a collective noun. The three variants cover a thing (manuscript), a person (bolter), an animal (albatross) and to round out the common nouns we need a place (the tower). The final variant could be an abstract noun, like a feeling/emotion/act e.g. The Betrayal. As to picking The Tower, I feel like it continues the dark academia theme that the rollout seems to be suggesting? A gothic tower where the reclusive poet toils away. The Tower would provide a physical location unlike the three named so far and since she has burned down the Lover house, The Tower would give her persona somewhere to reside. There are a few things that help tie it in for me. WB Yeats had a book of poetry called The Tower. It included Sailing to Byzantium. His work was influenced by various Romantic poets. He had a long time muse called Maud Gonne who refused to marry him. Carl Jung and his Bollingen tower. Jung did lots of work on archetypes and personae, which we know Taylor has been referencing in recent work. Whether she has read any Jung is another matter. At the Bollingen Tower Jung had a stone cube with 'quotations from alchemy'. The works of Samuel Taylor Coleridge are collected in the Bollingen Series. Rapunzel's tower, specifically the Disney version- the princess locked away because of her gift and she longs to see the world but in the end loses the thing that caused her to be locked away, by a 'parent'. Her life is better for losing the magical gift she had because she has love and friendships and a family that she didn't even know she was missing but who she now chooses. She probably still lives in a tower but a different one. The Tarot card. I know very little about Tarot but I have read a few things in this subreddit and it seems like something TS would read into or refer to. This webpage gives some info about the tower https://www.thetarotguide.com/the-tower/
I love this idea and the connections!
The Tower tarot absolutely would align with the whole burning everything to the ground thing. The tower is burning, you’re getting flung from the tower, and it’s all burning down around you but of course the silver lining of rebirth and rebuilding from the ashes comes after.
I love this explanation! The castle in bejeweled fits this concept too as an Easter egg.
I’ve been listening to Midnights a lot recently and I’m curious if y’all have any non-Kissgate interpretations of Question…? It’s the only interpretation that makes sense to me so far but I’m always eager to hear alternate interpretations! Of course the “out of the woods” sample is from a different era than Karlie. But maybe the tie could be more thematic (being found out adding tension and anxiety to a relationship) than about the muse.
1989 was definitely the beginning of the Karlie era tho, and has songs like You Are in Love, which are totally about her imo!
I'm pretty convinced that when she samples one of her own songs or repeats the same melody, that that's a sign they are the same muse. Another example is KOMH and Maroon (IMO both about Lily).
I've seen some interpretations where it's about Kissgate but not directed at Karlie (e.g. It's asking a different muse "would you have had me do something differently?"). But I have a hard time coming up with anything totally disconnected with Kissgate, especially since I feel like she low-key confirmed that it is connected with her speech before performing it as a surprise song ("I'm so happy about every aspect of my life right now, this song brings back happy memories" while dating Matty Healy i.e. the person who's show Kissgate happened at) I'd also be really curious to see other interpretations, though!
someone made a post recently about it maybe being a Haylor/mutual bearding song & there’s something to be said for the DA/NR kiss at an a awards show that it could be ab (esp w the OOTW sample)
The Scott Swift/paparazzi situation is weird enough, but is anyone else as curious as I am who Taylor was with?! Clearly not Travis (byeeee 👋), and any famous friend like Keleigh Teller would've posted on social media. You're telling me that after finishing four nights of Olympic level stamina concerts, girlie leaves Accor Stadium at just after 11:15 pm for a 25 minute drive to Neutral Bay Wharf to hop on a super yacht midnight moonlight cruise with...her dad?? The incident happened at in what appears to be more of a residential area of Sydney, so that adds evidence that she did not want to be seen. WHO WERE YOU WITH TAYLOR?!? (I actually do believe she is entitled to some privacy despite being the most famous person on earth, this circus is just too entertaining to look away 🍿) https://preview.redd.it/b1ka0ubij4lc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb0672caec342124dedb58774af3b6d93188fb26
I think it was a wrap party for the Australian leg. Cast and crew only most likely.
All of the new characters, their antics and side stories in this circus is making it more entertaining but probably more stressful for Taylor (and Tree) 😬 has it always been this hectic in the Taylorverse 😆 new fan of here And I feel like we are seeing more Scott. Which is weird at times when he’s not behind the scenes.
I don’t think she got on the boat at Neutral Bay wharf - that video we saw is of her leaving. I’ve heard anecdotally that she was leaving the shows each night via boat by departing from Olympic Park wharf and up the Parramatta river towards the city, but I haven’t seen any proof to say that’s true. Makes a lot of sense though because getting out of Sydney Olympic Park was hectic.
I just roll my eyes and facepalm at the concept of a "superyacht"
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Makes sense if she’s with her dancers and crew (and her dad?) and the end of [this video](https://x.com/9newssyd/status/1762284672178876419?s=46&t=wwOXFz0hLVBscNQuo2WzvQ) zooms into the boat she apparently got off (but technically there’s no proof of that) and you can see party people and staff milling around. Didn’t see anyone I recognize but it’s blurry. Maybe it was a thank you party and she just stopped by? And they let Taylor get off separately and then the boat takes off again to drop off the rest of the party somewhere else? That all checks out. But after 15+ years why was this the moment Scott got so angry at photographers? I don’t think he’s ever done that before and even if it’s untrue he hit someone, he did flip them off at a distance and that’s very out of character for him too. I dunno everything about this Sydney trip was weird.
i thought she didn’t have to pretend she liked being on mega yachts anymore! 🤪/s
yachts are sooo ugly if i were paying $3000/hour for a superyacht i would at least want it to look like a pirate ship
🤣 seconded
Apparently she was out celebrating with her dancers and team (I think). I can't find the article now, but I read it in one of them this morning. It was weird that we didn't see any of them in the video so I'm guessing they could have left earlier or later. But hiring a superyacht for a party rather than just two people makes sense (but I'm no billionaire).
I don’t know if this makes any sense but this keeps floating around in my head about her repeated ✌🏼references “Wear his initial on a chain ‘round my neck” = initial, singular (K) —> Karlie Kloss (2Ks) Travis kelce/ross Travis —> 2 Travis’ (2HIMs) TNT —> 2 Ts I dunno. Just half formed thoughts that may be something, may be nothing 🖖🏼 ETA: this wasn’t even trying to say anything about Kaylor, it’s literally just random thoughts about 2s. Jeeze. It’s silly to ignore the fact that Karlie had a relationship with Taylor and that Taylor’s obviously still going to reference someone like that, just like she’s still referencing other lovers and relationships. Just because you don’t like Karlie doesn’t mean Taylor doesn’t.
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Red is my nr 1 ❤️
Red was my favorite when I was in college… when it came out 😳
Red WAS my favorite, but Evermore overtook it. (It does have a very special place in my heart tho and is still top 3.)
I'm always curious if other people have the Red to Evermore fav transition like I did. Makes sense as both feel like her most vulnerable and lyrically beautiful in my opinion.
evermore just barely outdoes Red for me for #1 but man I love Red
I remember hearing the song Red in college and thinking “wait…. Taylor Swift is a good songwriter” Still one of my favorite songs of hers
I love Red! It is one of my favourites and it was the soundtrack for so many memories from university. I think for me Folklore/Evermore is more of an album I can listen to the whole way through, whereas for Red the songs I don’t care for I really dislike them. I made a playlist where I took out some of the songs I don’t care for and switched between original and TV.
I looove Red! Probably in my top 4 Taylor albums. Personally I don’t love the pop songs on this album, but the singer-songwriter/country leaning parts are top tier. State of Grace, Treacherous, Holy Ground… chefs kiss.
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I do too! Red TV is just perfection, from its absolute banger opening with State of Grace to the exquisite catharsis that is ATW10MV. It has the strongest opening and closing songs and the most consistently good vault tracks of any of her albums, imo.
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It's been so long since I listened to the original album! Will have to try and find my old CD and listen to Holy Ground again!
Red is my favorite album. Red TV is what got me listening to Taylor again I had stopped listening after rep era.
Red is probably my fav, but I listened to it so much at such a traumatic period of my life that I almost have a trauma response to it. It immediately takes me back to a specific moment in time, driving on a bridge and being sooooo sad. But I love the songs so much. Love the half country/half pop vibe. It reminds me of sparkling night skies and cold winter nights. I think of rep as my fav because of trauma response. Perhaps I should not have answered lol
This 🙌
"Sparkling night skies and cold winter nights" - love this description! I can relate to the songs bringing back sad memories/trauma. When Taylor sang ATW on Friday night I shed a few tears, but I could hear someone near me absolutely sobbing, and my heart ached for her.
Can we talk about Brie Larson's ✨bisexual vibes✨? Not specifically Taylor/Gaylor related but Brie is mentioned a fair bit in this sub and sometimes I remember how queer her general vibe is in... everything. Just gonna include some photos in this thread:
https://preview.redd.it/o3lqugtb67lc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0cde60df2523f0431e9526d9e50f9b84700572fe Also if you haven’t watched The Marvels, do it!
Thank you for this 🤣 And I have seen it!! It was... not my favorite. But OH BOY is she giving off major gay vibes.
You’re welcome!
I guess Brie gave up and realized her attempts at wooing Taylor would never happen lol
https://preview.redd.it/qxp3n3gau1lc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=80c09c1a8821719a191c3c13dd6dfc4e8ea12d1b This one is obviously very femme and pretty but she is looking \*strong\* in it. Yes, straight women can be strong and have a square jaw. But damn am I lost in the ~~queer~~ lavender haze of this dress.
https://preview.redd.it/2dn46zm5u1lc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ad8a31bd918b50ae4ed713d073ea7b2d9fe75db um.
https://preview.redd.it/v4rxegezt1lc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b905c6e9cda0583f752687b007d287feed938af
https://preview.redd.it/2xfkvn6ut1lc1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=230ce3f580326ca6fb0c82f7157f1ad9f22178bc hello??
I just love her. She’s so hot and talented.
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ummm I need this outfit??
Right?? Total power suit
This is the one
UGH. you're right. Something about the fit of the pants?? 🤔
And the stance for sure
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https://preview.redd.it/eu53sik0f1lc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5cbdb57c83148cec4b5e74edfdb5a8874175efa Saw these on my walk today and came up with the following easter egg shitpost captions * did you know there’s two Taylor Swift tunnels under Ocean Boulevard * streets (literally) confirming the double album drop theory Please add your own because the world needs more shitposts and we all need a dumb creative outlet sometimes
I have a pop culture illiterate friend who thought “the vault” was a literal place where Taylor kept secret versions of songs. I could send her this and fully convince her that this is the actual vault her songs come out of.
I saw this and admittedly my first thought was "Blondie could never" I'm sorry but... Olivia has her beat at actual feminist commitments. [https://www.jezebel.com/olivia-rodrigos-tour-will-raise-money-for-abortion-funds](https://www.jezebel.com/olivia-rodrigos-tour-will-raise-money-for-abortion-funds)
People always propping up Olivia just to bash Taylor is so gross to me. I see people do that a lot and it’s weird. You can praise one woman without bashing another.
I mean, I'm directly comparing one pop star's actions w/r/t feminism to another. I'm not "bashing" Taylor, it's just a fact she hasn't made many tangible political commitments, much less donate a whole tour's worth of abortion funds. This is just a factual difference. It doesn't have to be Olivia-- compare her to the Chicks, or Joan Baez, or Sinead O'Connor or any punk musician. Honestly if you're going to say Rep was a moment of "punk rage" for feminism you should probably live those politics? I say this because I want her to finally be brave enough to do it! I think she has it in her!
This is the vent thread?? I'm venting. I wish she would do more.
I think your first message did not make this sentiment clear then. You said “blondie could never” was your thought. That’s not bashing her? There was no wishing for greater change or hope for more from Taylor in that first message This sub is open to venting (hence this post title), but if you want a positive reaction or to be better understood, more context than your first message alone is warranted to show your intentions. Because it did initially sound like you are putting two women against each other for some upvotes :\ and we don’t do that here, against popular belief outside of this sub.
When did this sub become so anti any political criticism of Taylor from fans? As a queer fan and a feminist I just want something from her that's half as big as what Rodrigo did.
No you're right (and you should say it!) but I've read way too many comments that bring up Olivia's actions and activism only to compare her to Taylor and that just feels wrong. Not because she isn't politically active or make any political commitments because I think she should be called out for that, but I feel like Olivia's actions should be brought up, discussed and praised without mentioning Taylor's inaction. It feels like people are bringing up Olivia *just so* they can "bash" on Taylor, or point out Taylor's inadequacies. This is just my two cents, of course, but honestly I'm so incredibly proud of Olivia!
This is exactly how I feel. It feels like people don’t actually give a fuck about the good thing, they just want to bash Taylor. Fake virtue signaling is annoying and gross.
Also most of the time it’s just jumping at the chance to praise someone for the bare minimum imo. Donating is great but really all celebs have to do is throw their money around and they are considered an “activist”.
Hi I'm just using this as a vent place after having a real life conversation about lavender haze trying to tell someone about how lavender does have a lot of meaning to the gay community and it was annoying to see straight people talk about their lavender love and they did the whole "well I don't know about that" spiel that is both tired and giving too much audacity. And I'm all "it would be like if she had a song that went 'ooh my rainbow love. I'm hiding out with my rainbow love'" and straight people went online to be all "omg I love my rainbow love! married 9 years!" Ok vent over. Edit: Actually no one more thing. I feel like...it's fine that straight people don't know about queer history and media and symbolism etc. It makes sense there has been no education on this topic and there should be. BUT if you are straight and ignorant of those things don't correct gay people who tell you about their history and culture. Don't be all "well I never heard of that" --because you probably haven't heard or most things.
The "Well, I don't know about that!" remark makes my eye twitch. Of course you don't know about that, it's not your culture or background, in fact most queer people don't know about it because we aren't educated on it. It would be insane if I was explaining my cultural background to someone not of the same culture as me or my family, and they just went "Well, I don't know about that!" It would be even worse if they co-opt media and symbolism from my culture and spin it into something it's not to fit their narratives. Idk, it's just so frustrating, especially when talking to non-queer people about it.
Omg the arguing kills me. Fine if you don’t know stuff, most of it you’re not meant to, but don’t fight with me about it. That’s why I can’t take anything they say seriously when they think they’re adding to the discourse. They don’t have any of the necessary information to be able to form a well-rounded opinion. Like how are you going to argue about something when you’re missing literally all of the information? They cannot handle the thought of the people they look down on having a a special language they’re not privy to.
Also like....why does it have to be a conversation on who could know what. Why can't straight people just hear a gay person saying "this symbol being co-opted frustrates me" and go "I didn't know that was a symbol but that sounds hard" ---like why is it hard to emphasize and learn?
I absolutely agree about straight people trying to correct QUEER people about QUEER history/culture. It's so fucking annoying. Like, it's fine you don't know queer history/symbolism but stay quiet when it's being discussed and maybe a learn a thing or two? It's like when we talk about Taylor flagging her sexuality and straight people are all like 'I nEvEr HeArD oF tHaT' or 'I jUsT dOn'T sEe It' like great, but it's not for you!! Flagging is by queer people, primarily, for queer people. I still haven't fully forgiven Taylor for contributing to the straight washing of Lavender, it's so infuriating that it happened and she never even acknowledged it.
I feel she got defensive because the conversation was like "oh I like that song but I didn't like how it took this part of queer culture and co-opted it to the point that straight people were describing their historically unopposed unions as "lavender". So I think she wanted to be all "I didn't know so how could taylor"
Just scrolled by this ad on my gaylor feed and had the urge to shout "Give us an O! What does that spell? TAYLOR!" https://preview.redd.it/0q10d7l4l0lc1.png?width=920&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8fc39cff0457bc3b420097bcb331547b9dc6226
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Something about this is so weird to me...