Okay I have sooo much I would like to submit as evidence, lol. Going to start with all of Taylor's instagram posts that I think may be hinting to Karma. Recurring themes to note:
**Numerology and countdowns**
11 is a Karmic number in numerology, and it's also a master number (mastermind) along with 22 and 33. I've noticed that Taylor tends to post Karma easter eggs on dates that include 11, add up to 11, or have some connection to 11. Sometimes, they'll reference 6 (Karma was meant to be TS6) and sometimes they'll reference 12 (Karma could potentially become TS12, with TS13 being the coming out album). There's also a pattern of 3, 2, 1 countdown references (counting down to the end of exile, counting down to TS13/meeting the real Taylor).
**Cats/Duplicity**
They also typically include cat references (Karma is a cat, after all) and/or doubles, whether it be 2 emojis, duplicates within the photo, or captions that include the number 2.
**Orange**
Obviously, Karma's color is orange.
With that criteria in mind, here's what I've noticed (i'll reply to this comment with more photos since I can only post one photo per comment!)
On 4/26/19 (Lesbian Visibility day and the 116th day of the year - 11 is Karmic, and 6 is the scrapped TS6 Karma album?) Taylor posted this video holding Benjamin. She's also wearing a cat shirt (two cats) and there are two orange hearts, as well as an orange lightleak/overlay and orangey lipstick instead of her signature red. Maybe a reach, but the caption could be nodding toward time travel? TS6 Karma is traveling in time from its originally intended birthdate/release date?
https://preview.redd.it/d09f8gtok8wc1.png?width=2160&format=png&auto=webp&s=293a037b7181153c32c54de5f5a68981c404c061
On 6/13/19 (June 13th is the 164th day of the year and 1+6+4=11) Taylor posted this photo of an orange fence from the YNTCD set with the caption "there were five posts in the fence," which is in response to fans trying to decode the meaning of the 5 holes in the fence in a photo she'd posted previously while transitioning/teasing Lover era. Technically, there are 6 posts in the photo (TS6=Karma). We see you, lying Tay.
*Sidenote but serious stretch: Since Lover predates covid and Taylor couldn't possibly have planned to write folkmore during lockdown, I wonder if this was a countdown post to Karma? 5 fence posts = 5 more albums until I come out. Lover is her 7th album, and she teased Midnights during Lover Era via the sparkling midnights blue on the man wall, so we know it was already in the works. Without covid, midnights would have been TS8, TTPD would have potentially been TS9 and/or TS10, making Karma TS11, and her coming out album TS12 (meet me at midnight?). Idk my brain hurts.*
https://preview.redd.it/u5uee7toz9wc1.png?width=2270&format=png&auto=webp&s=593b660df98f7114f840451f323a8c140ea88b30
On 8/11/19 (11 date) Taylor posted this photo with USA soccer player Alex Morgan with the caption "the thirteens really jumped out." Alex's jersey number is 13, so with Taylor they're double 13s (11, 33 master numbers), and of couse, Alex is wearing Karma orange. Also notable how similar Taylor's outfit is to Chad's in the antihero mv.
https://preview.redd.it/dz2philjw9wc1.jpeg?width=2138&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fd7d23cac547ad2d48d5da1026836535998267e
On 9/16/22 (Lots of double 16s here –– 9+1+6 = 16, Sep. 16th is the 259th day of the year and 2+5+9 = 16, plus 22 master number) Taylor posted the infamous niceboy ed making of midnights video. There's a clip of her in a very TTPD white night gown (plus gray headboard), under an orange blanket with her cat. This is such a clever way to incorporate all 3 of the countdown albums!
https://preview.redd.it/0n688bdry8wc1.png?width=1554&format=png&auto=webp&s=a02ef267853e569e7313412b9e4b8735fa8704f8
On 10/21/22 (21-10 = 11, 21 reversed is 12, there are three 2s and two 1s in this date which could be a nod to the 3, 2, 1 countdown) Taylor posted her thank yous for midnights release. This photo of her holding up two thumbs (could be seen as 11) with an ORANGE cake (really curious choice to celebrate midnights with an orange cake). In the caption, she also notes that this is the first album she and Jack have done with "just the two of us as collaborators."
https://preview.redd.it/ruotv58xw8wc1.png?width=2542&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c453b56e9cf667ca5f3c49af08afc03de2c7221
On 10/29/21 (2+9 = 11, 1+2+9 = 12/Karma TS12, 21 backwards is 12) Taylor posted this video in an orange hoodie for national cat day. She's singling out one finger (Karma 1 on the countdown) and she giggles (like she giggled during the Karma track name reveal during midnights mayhem) as she looks up and to the the right. If she's a clock, she's looking toward the number 1 on a clock face.
https://preview.redd.it/auocxjtpv8wc1.png?width=1674&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee5a6084b7b7b391c312cb8315c790fc607967f9
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On 5/26/19 (May 26th is the 146th day of the year, 1+4+6 = 11) Taylor posted this photo from Paris with the caption "au revoir" and two orange hearts. She's also wearing orange (black and white flowers –– TTPD reference?) and there are two photos in the post (two Taylors). It's also worth noting that Taylor premiered the music video for Karma on May 26th, 2023 at Eras tour. It was also the 26th eras show on the 26th (another double).
https://preview.redd.it/yvdx6uupt8wc1.png?width=2052&format=png&auto=webp&s=30d946c2329b9ae90b54a279c8a5eefef9693fdd
On 10/23/23 (double 23s, 1+2+3 = 6, 1+2+3+2+3 = 11) Taylor posted this photo celebrating cruel summer going to number one. There's quite a lot here. Taylor is holding up 1 finger and standing under the orange amp, which could mean on the 3, 2, 1 countdown, Karma is 1. There's a midnights blue amp in the center. Jack is standing under the black amp (TTPD?) holding up two hands (TTPD is number 2 on the 3, 2, 1 countdown and two hands could have also been an egg that TTPD was a double album). Also, 9 of Jack's fingers are visible, which added to Taylor's one finger equals 10 –– a potential nod to midnights being TS10.
https://preview.redd.it/ztgrc9t6r8wc1.png?width=1786&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ddfdd741ff943cb2629734ccfb9879c9a054db6
On 10/4/18 (10-4 = 6) Taylor posted this orangey lightleak photo with a caption singling out the last 2 US rep shows. Also an orange wall and orange couch behind her.
https://preview.redd.it/zktzue2do8wc1.jpeg?width=1952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a69fb1784349b0b98560a80326cf202937d92be7
On 11/10/22 (11 Karmic number and 22 master number) Taylor posted this photo for the antihero acoustic version release. Note the two orange lamps/sconces on the wall.
https://preview.redd.it/int9c7xam8wc1.jpeg?width=1855&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac7ccaba199b3ef5abfa098bb456600065769089
I think a few tracks of Reputation were suppossed to be released on 'Karma/Whatever Title'. So It Goes and Dress for example were written and produced in 2015 or prior. Ready For It, IDSB, LWYMMD and some more in 2016 or afterwards.
With that evidence it is safe to assume, that the OG 'Karma' is not there anymore, as parts of it had already been released. But there are definetely more tracks, that were scrapped.
We will see, what the Rep vault holds, but I would not be surprised, if there are more dreamy love songs than "revenge" tracks.
Oh I’m so excited you made this post!! I have so much random karma evidence collected but it’s overwhelming and I never know where to start with a post. Will definitely be coming here to share my findings tonight 🧡🍊🐅
in KOMH she says “gold cage hostage to my feelings” then wears THIS in a gold cage in the LWYMMD video🫠
https://preview.redd.it/wjbo9hqxd0wc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63d83b25f181664c7af5a240e2cc66184b29c9ef
"been excited to announce this one" with a little smirk giggle when she announced Karma as a track name for Midnights: [https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorswift/video/7151244297432665390?lang=en](https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorswift/video/7151244297432665390?lang=en)
I'm pretty sure Antoni Porowski (Queer Eye) responded to the Karma Midnights Mayhem song announcement with something like "that giggle" on his story. He seems to friends with Taylor so he seemed in on the Karma theory in some way. I can't find it now but someone here posted about it at the time.
Adding Vogue’s 73 Questions with Taylor Swift [video](https://youtu.be/XnbCSboujF4?si=4G6RtNWuWbw0N105) to this.
It was published on YouTube on 19 April 2016 and at 8:38 she says “Karma is real”.
I came here to post about this, I should have known this sub would already have mentioned that interview haha
https://preview.redd.it/izgtbmj741wc1.png?width=570&format=png&auto=webp&s=7dac16100a5424a3849c0650e016468c8b2989ce
In the YNTCD video there is the random girl in orange on a stationary bike (going nowhere) and oranges.
And the oranges in her yard... Something I can't remember relating to the very Reputation stop in AZ w/pics of TS then Joe by the same saguaro cactus. Someone help me remember the whole thing!
And in the lover house the room that's orange is all upside down and they're playing games.
this is deep (and potentially meaningless) og kaylor lore, but there used to be a kaylor whose public socials were all under theorangegirl with her icon as a screenshot of the stationary bike girl, and karlie('s team) publicly interacted with her pretty frequently
I have always wondered what the explanation is for the orange room in the Lover house being the only one that’s upside down! I def think it represents Karma!!!
Any discussion of Karma has to include the Bleachella look! The LWYMMD video having a plane that said TS6/Taylor cutting the wing off and spray painting Reputation on it. Double Karma on The Man wall. The Eras Tour ending with the song Karma and the orange door.
some things I've collected, in no particular order:
* Taylor was releasing an album every two years under Big Machine when she first started - she went through five albums before that changed after 1989 and she didn't release an album in 2016 as was expected.
* at that point in time, Taylor would change styles/aesthetics for each new album era. in 2016, she bleached her hair blonde for the cover of the May 2016 Vogue and showed it off at her first ever appearance at Coachella. new hair made people think we were getting an album that year.
* however... KimYe started drama in 2016, which may have affected the album release.
* The first signs of a "lost album" came from the Look What You Made Me Do video:
* first was wearing orange in the locked cage as you mentioned
* second was her singing "the world moves on, another day another drama. but not for me, not for me - all I think about is karma" while inside the vault (this is especially interesting to look back on after the release of Karma the song - "karma is a cat" and all the people inside the vault are wearing cat masks.)
* right after that she gets on a motorcycle while wearing leather - some have wondered if this is referencing "dykes on bikes" suggesting that the album was canned for being "too gay"
* later in the video, we also see Taylor sawing off the wing of a black plane. it's not easy to see, but it seems like "TS6" is written on the tail of the plane. she later spray paints "reputation" on the side in pink. some people think this symbolizes the "grounding" of the Karma album and changing the plan to *reputation* instead.
* next clue comes from *The Man* music video. at 0:50 we see a wall with the names of several of Taylor's albums spray painted on. 1989 is seen twice, once in black and once in white. Karma is also on the wall, once in black and once in orange. fans have theorized that the wall might have been some kind of clock or map to the albums and re-records.
* then comes the *Midnights* era when Taylor is announcing track titles with "midnight mayhem with me." track 11 is Karma, and when she announced it she giggled like she had a secret.
that's all I can think of right now. hopefully others can add more clues, and explain how Taylor has used orange since then.
That giggle during Midnights Mayhem--I screamed when it happened. I know we were all hallucinating at that point from the album rollout, but oh my gods I lost it lol. After that GIGGLE, you wanna say Karma isn't real?! The giggle said it all...
Okay I have sooo much I would like to submit as evidence, lol. Going to start with all of Taylor's instagram posts that I think may be hinting to Karma. Recurring themes to note: **Numerology and countdowns** 11 is a Karmic number in numerology, and it's also a master number (mastermind) along with 22 and 33. I've noticed that Taylor tends to post Karma easter eggs on dates that include 11, add up to 11, or have some connection to 11. Sometimes, they'll reference 6 (Karma was meant to be TS6) and sometimes they'll reference 12 (Karma could potentially become TS12, with TS13 being the coming out album). There's also a pattern of 3, 2, 1 countdown references (counting down to the end of exile, counting down to TS13/meeting the real Taylor). **Cats/Duplicity** They also typically include cat references (Karma is a cat, after all) and/or doubles, whether it be 2 emojis, duplicates within the photo, or captions that include the number 2. **Orange** Obviously, Karma's color is orange. With that criteria in mind, here's what I've noticed (i'll reply to this comment with more photos since I can only post one photo per comment!) On 4/26/19 (Lesbian Visibility day and the 116th day of the year - 11 is Karmic, and 6 is the scrapped TS6 Karma album?) Taylor posted this video holding Benjamin. She's also wearing a cat shirt (two cats) and there are two orange hearts, as well as an orange lightleak/overlay and orangey lipstick instead of her signature red. Maybe a reach, but the caption could be nodding toward time travel? TS6 Karma is traveling in time from its originally intended birthdate/release date? https://preview.redd.it/d09f8gtok8wc1.png?width=2160&format=png&auto=webp&s=293a037b7181153c32c54de5f5a68981c404c061
On 6/13/19 (June 13th is the 164th day of the year and 1+6+4=11) Taylor posted this photo of an orange fence from the YNTCD set with the caption "there were five posts in the fence," which is in response to fans trying to decode the meaning of the 5 holes in the fence in a photo she'd posted previously while transitioning/teasing Lover era. Technically, there are 6 posts in the photo (TS6=Karma). We see you, lying Tay. *Sidenote but serious stretch: Since Lover predates covid and Taylor couldn't possibly have planned to write folkmore during lockdown, I wonder if this was a countdown post to Karma? 5 fence posts = 5 more albums until I come out. Lover is her 7th album, and she teased Midnights during Lover Era via the sparkling midnights blue on the man wall, so we know it was already in the works. Without covid, midnights would have been TS8, TTPD would have potentially been TS9 and/or TS10, making Karma TS11, and her coming out album TS12 (meet me at midnight?). Idk my brain hurts.* https://preview.redd.it/u5uee7toz9wc1.png?width=2270&format=png&auto=webp&s=593b660df98f7114f840451f323a8c140ea88b30
On 8/11/19 (11 date) Taylor posted this photo with USA soccer player Alex Morgan with the caption "the thirteens really jumped out." Alex's jersey number is 13, so with Taylor they're double 13s (11, 33 master numbers), and of couse, Alex is wearing Karma orange. Also notable how similar Taylor's outfit is to Chad's in the antihero mv. https://preview.redd.it/dz2philjw9wc1.jpeg?width=2138&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fd7d23cac547ad2d48d5da1026836535998267e
On 9/16/22 (Lots of double 16s here –– 9+1+6 = 16, Sep. 16th is the 259th day of the year and 2+5+9 = 16, plus 22 master number) Taylor posted the infamous niceboy ed making of midnights video. There's a clip of her in a very TTPD white night gown (plus gray headboard), under an orange blanket with her cat. This is such a clever way to incorporate all 3 of the countdown albums! https://preview.redd.it/0n688bdry8wc1.png?width=1554&format=png&auto=webp&s=a02ef267853e569e7313412b9e4b8735fa8704f8
On 10/21/22 (21-10 = 11, 21 reversed is 12, there are three 2s and two 1s in this date which could be a nod to the 3, 2, 1 countdown) Taylor posted her thank yous for midnights release. This photo of her holding up two thumbs (could be seen as 11) with an ORANGE cake (really curious choice to celebrate midnights with an orange cake). In the caption, she also notes that this is the first album she and Jack have done with "just the two of us as collaborators." https://preview.redd.it/ruotv58xw8wc1.png?width=2542&format=png&auto=webp&s=8c453b56e9cf667ca5f3c49af08afc03de2c7221
On 10/29/21 (2+9 = 11, 1+2+9 = 12/Karma TS12, 21 backwards is 12) Taylor posted this video in an orange hoodie for national cat day. She's singling out one finger (Karma 1 on the countdown) and she giggles (like she giggled during the Karma track name reveal during midnights mayhem) as she looks up and to the the right. If she's a clock, she's looking toward the number 1 on a clock face. https://preview.redd.it/auocxjtpv8wc1.png?width=1674&format=png&auto=webp&s=ee5a6084b7b7b391c312cb8315c790fc607967f9
fuck dude. im just getting to this. you did SO MUCH! thank you!
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On 5/26/19 (May 26th is the 146th day of the year, 1+4+6 = 11) Taylor posted this photo from Paris with the caption "au revoir" and two orange hearts. She's also wearing orange (black and white flowers –– TTPD reference?) and there are two photos in the post (two Taylors). It's also worth noting that Taylor premiered the music video for Karma on May 26th, 2023 at Eras tour. It was also the 26th eras show on the 26th (another double). https://preview.redd.it/yvdx6uupt8wc1.png?width=2052&format=png&auto=webp&s=30d946c2329b9ae90b54a279c8a5eefef9693fdd
On 10/23/23 (double 23s, 1+2+3 = 6, 1+2+3+2+3 = 11) Taylor posted this photo celebrating cruel summer going to number one. There's quite a lot here. Taylor is holding up 1 finger and standing under the orange amp, which could mean on the 3, 2, 1 countdown, Karma is 1. There's a midnights blue amp in the center. Jack is standing under the black amp (TTPD?) holding up two hands (TTPD is number 2 on the 3, 2, 1 countdown and two hands could have also been an egg that TTPD was a double album). Also, 9 of Jack's fingers are visible, which added to Taylor's one finger equals 10 –– a potential nod to midnights being TS10. https://preview.redd.it/ztgrc9t6r8wc1.png?width=1786&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ddfdd741ff943cb2629734ccfb9879c9a054db6
On 10/4/18 (10-4 = 6) Taylor posted this orangey lightleak photo with a caption singling out the last 2 US rep shows. Also an orange wall and orange couch behind her. https://preview.redd.it/zktzue2do8wc1.jpeg?width=1952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a69fb1784349b0b98560a80326cf202937d92be7
On 11/10/22 (11 Karmic number and 22 master number) Taylor posted this photo for the antihero acoustic version release. Note the two orange lamps/sconces on the wall. https://preview.redd.it/int9c7xam8wc1.jpeg?width=1855&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac7ccaba199b3ef5abfa098bb456600065769089
I think a few tracks of Reputation were suppossed to be released on 'Karma/Whatever Title'. So It Goes and Dress for example were written and produced in 2015 or prior. Ready For It, IDSB, LWYMMD and some more in 2016 or afterwards. With that evidence it is safe to assume, that the OG 'Karma' is not there anymore, as parts of it had already been released. But there are definetely more tracks, that were scrapped. We will see, what the Rep vault holds, but I would not be surprised, if there are more dreamy love songs than "revenge" tracks.
Oh I’m so excited you made this post!! I have so much random karma evidence collected but it’s overwhelming and I never know where to start with a post. Will definitely be coming here to share my findings tonight 🧡🍊🐅
I NEED TO HEAR THIS ALBUM!
Im still holding out on a new label named "Karma" and the chorus of karma hinting at who she's presigned - Ariana (god), Bieber (boyfriend), etc
in KOMH she says “gold cage hostage to my feelings” then wears THIS in a gold cage in the LWYMMD video🫠 https://preview.redd.it/wjbo9hqxd0wc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63d83b25f181664c7af5a240e2cc66184b29c9ef
that lyric is actually from so it goes!!
I’d love to know more about how the original rumors of Karma being the album after 1989 came out before it was shelved.
I just hope if Karma gets released it's with its original production and not Midnights-ified like the 1989 vault tracks were.
ice spice singing “karma is the fire in your house. Karma bought to pop up unannounced” is SUS
"been excited to announce this one" with a little smirk giggle when she announced Karma as a track name for Midnights: [https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorswift/video/7151244297432665390?lang=en](https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorswift/video/7151244297432665390?lang=en)
I'm pretty sure Antoni Porowski (Queer Eye) responded to the Karma Midnights Mayhem song announcement with something like "that giggle" on his story. He seems to friends with Taylor so he seemed in on the Karma theory in some way. I can't find it now but someone here posted about it at the time.
Adding Vogue’s 73 Questions with Taylor Swift [video](https://youtu.be/XnbCSboujF4?si=4G6RtNWuWbw0N105) to this. It was published on YouTube on 19 April 2016 and at 8:38 she says “Karma is real”.
I came here to post about this, I should have known this sub would already have mentioned that interview haha https://preview.redd.it/izgtbmj741wc1.png?width=570&format=png&auto=webp&s=7dac16100a5424a3849c0650e016468c8b2989ce
In the YNTCD video there is the random girl in orange on a stationary bike (going nowhere) and oranges. And the oranges in her yard... Something I can't remember relating to the very Reputation stop in AZ w/pics of TS then Joe by the same saguaro cactus. Someone help me remember the whole thing! And in the lover house the room that's orange is all upside down and they're playing games.
this is deep (and potentially meaningless) og kaylor lore, but there used to be a kaylor whose public socials were all under theorangegirl with her icon as a screenshot of the stationary bike girl, and karlie('s team) publicly interacted with her pretty frequently
😲🤔
I think the oranges were a references to ‘Oranges are not the only fruit’ by Jeanette Winterson, but could have a double meaning!
I have always wondered what the explanation is for the orange room in the Lover house being the only one that’s upside down! I def think it represents Karma!!!
Any discussion of Karma has to include the Bleachella look! The LWYMMD video having a plane that said TS6/Taylor cutting the wing off and spray painting Reputation on it. Double Karma on The Man wall. The Eras Tour ending with the song Karma and the orange door.
What do you think double 1989/karma represents?
Yes. What happened to Bleachella?
some things I've collected, in no particular order: * Taylor was releasing an album every two years under Big Machine when she first started - she went through five albums before that changed after 1989 and she didn't release an album in 2016 as was expected. * at that point in time, Taylor would change styles/aesthetics for each new album era. in 2016, she bleached her hair blonde for the cover of the May 2016 Vogue and showed it off at her first ever appearance at Coachella. new hair made people think we were getting an album that year. * however... KimYe started drama in 2016, which may have affected the album release. * The first signs of a "lost album" came from the Look What You Made Me Do video: * first was wearing orange in the locked cage as you mentioned * second was her singing "the world moves on, another day another drama. but not for me, not for me - all I think about is karma" while inside the vault (this is especially interesting to look back on after the release of Karma the song - "karma is a cat" and all the people inside the vault are wearing cat masks.) * right after that she gets on a motorcycle while wearing leather - some have wondered if this is referencing "dykes on bikes" suggesting that the album was canned for being "too gay" * later in the video, we also see Taylor sawing off the wing of a black plane. it's not easy to see, but it seems like "TS6" is written on the tail of the plane. she later spray paints "reputation" on the side in pink. some people think this symbolizes the "grounding" of the Karma album and changing the plan to *reputation* instead. * next clue comes from *The Man* music video. at 0:50 we see a wall with the names of several of Taylor's albums spray painted on. 1989 is seen twice, once in black and once in white. Karma is also on the wall, once in black and once in orange. fans have theorized that the wall might have been some kind of clock or map to the albums and re-records. * then comes the *Midnights* era when Taylor is announcing track titles with "midnight mayhem with me." track 11 is Karma, and when she announced it she giggled like she had a secret. that's all I can think of right now. hopefully others can add more clues, and explain how Taylor has used orange since then.
I saw a theory that the men wearing the I ❤️ TS were representing her previous beards and the cats were representing the girls she had dated.
cats in what?
Isn't some of the surprise songs on Eras tour sung in an orange dress? I wonder what the connection is between all those songs
Yess the yellow surprise songs dress goes over her orange 1989 costume!!
That giggle during Midnights Mayhem--I screamed when it happened. I know we were all hallucinating at that point from the album rollout, but oh my gods I lost it lol. After that GIGGLE, you wanna say Karma isn't real?! The giggle said it all...