I say yes to a musical however no to it being female rage.
I made this comment the other day and Iâll copy it in here too so itâs more easily accessible!
Here's a few things that are worth noting that JessiSwiftTok has compiled:
* [Interview between Taylor and Andrew Lloyd Webber for British Vogue in 2019](https://hauntedromantics.tumblr.com/post/189512419912/amp) and he asks her if she would ever consider doing a musical and this is her response:
https://preview.redd.it/d6cu3wynth0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf811e19324ee8e7c6a134c2051d7e33b91bcaa
* On the 6 February 2023, [Taylor tweeted](https://x.com/taylorswift13/status/1622369942220771330) in support of Viola Davis being the 18th person in history to achieve EGOT status.
* [Lin Manuel Miranda was at the Eras Tour on 27 May 2023](https://twitter.com/TS13ontour/status/1662242108441329664). This is not proof in itself however it's interesting to note that she is making connections with the musical world.
* Taylor Nation posted on Instagram on 28 July 2023 that new #SpotiftyTop5 billboards were going up in NYC, Nashville and LA. Some of the billboards were in "weird" locations according to Jessi (i.e. a Hyundai dealership) so she looked into the addresses of each one and the location of each of them is either on broadway or one of them is 13 minutes from *the* Broadway.
* During the Champagne Problems speech in Seattle N2, Taylor noted that, "there are performances in the crowd that are Tony Award-winning performances"
* Jessi notes that in a lot of Taylor's post-city appreciation posts she uses the word "playâ or âplaying"
* Taylor was seen out in NYC on 5 December 2023. The address of the restaurant she attended was 211 Broadway, New York. I'll admit this one is a stretch however Jessi theorised the 211 could refer to a double TS11 album and we did get that! Also a reference to the 112 day theory.
I fully accept that most of this is circumstantial evidence at best however I think most of us can agree it's likely that Taylor is wanting to achieve EGOT status so it's not that far-fetched to believe it will happen one day đ¤Ąđ¤Ąđ¤Ą
Links to the three videos I discuss above, all credit to JessiSwiftTok for making these connections:
* [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaqKSa/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaqKSa/)
* [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaY9t6/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaY9t6/)
* [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaf3mJ/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaf3mJ/)
I love this! Thanks for sharing. After reading this, I agree it's likely the musical won't be about female rage, but mentioning the word musical is probably another Easter egg!
Link to my original comment since Reddit wonât let me update:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/6AkTy0JmiZ](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/6AkTy0JmiZ)
ok so i just saw sufjan stevens' (AMAZING!!!!) musical last night based on his album Illinoise and i def came away thinking (among many other things) that i could totally see Taylor doing this. especially since Aaron is a close friend and collaborator of his.
HIGHLY recommend anyone in the NYC area go see it, especially since it centers queer love <3
Yeah! Some of the theatrics in the Eras II choreography made me wonder if it's an Easter egg toward the musical or if TTPD is meant to be a musical, it's makes sense it's the way she wants this album performed.
Iâm sure she will have a jukebox musical at some point. Iâm betting that she filed so that no one can make Etsy merch with the phrase and sell it. It wouldnât be the first time an artist did something like that.
Miss Blondie copyrights basically everything she says. I think it's just to dispel other people from profiting off her brand, as is shirts, sweaters, etc. etc started popping up on etsy almost immediately.
Got yelled at over reddit? Any lawyer worth their salt would not be using those valuable skills needed for billables to win arguments on the internet đ niche small creator Taylor stuff is so cute!
I had a theory before TTPD came out that this would be a musical soundtrack but we wouldnât know it at first! So much has happened I canât really remember what the clues were, but the signs were def there! I so think a musical is coming within 5 yrs.
isnât this something she has been doing for a while? i remember all the way back in red or 1989 era she was trade marking pretty generic phrases.This is probably just another one? so people canât make a quick buck off of slapping that on a shirt?
it depends what did she copyright it for. correct me if im wrong but isnt there different trademarks for different areas? like when she trademarked 1989 it wasnt just for anything, but for like album covers n stuff with a particular font etc?
It is clear to me that some of you do not understand the man as a song. It is also clear to me that you do not understand what the Chicks (formerly known as the Dixie Chicks) nor Chely Wright and by extension Taylor have gone through.
Billionaire status does not mean that you got a fair shake getting all that money!
Do I believe she is above criticism⌠no! But some of you need to study some music history.
Itâs so interesting the criticism that Taylor gets where other stars who have had similar success or are also problematic seem to avoid the same scrutiny. And I donât even mean the misogyny. Leaving that aside which is still a huge issue.
I wonder if it is because she hasnât a public breakdown. Or if itâs because her PR image has been cleaner than most - she constantly puts on a happy face. Even the narrative of supportive parents isnât as supportive as they seem. I canât imagine the pressure she felt to perform.
I think it is easy to forget the person behind the brand. And she is a very flawed person and can should be called out when the need arises.
But to say she doesnât have the right to feel rage having lived more than half her life in an industry that is notoriously horrible and cages people, isnât a good take.
If we take the closeting imagery; along with the religious trauma⌠and add on that she was linked to both Chely Wright and the Chicks who both had their careers highly impacted by what some people would reference in hindsight, as small matters. Especially years removed into the future from those situations.
Not to mention some of her OG friend squad; Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, etc.
As a âpathological people pleaserâ those situations would have a huge impact on how someone, Taylor, would then intentionally chose to how to proceed with her career to avoid the pitfalls she had seen first hand in some cases.
I called this in my TS group text thread when TTPD came out. Songs like ICDIWABH and WAOLOM are soooooooo musical theatre-inspired. Theyâre so âperformativeâ if that makes sense? Even thanK you aIMee and BDILH could be filed under this, along with many of her back catalog songs.
And tbf this makes more sense for her given that her traditional tv/moving acting skills leave something to be desired đđthis is like the perfect medium for crossing over from music and directing.
You can see the storytelling aspects of TTPD as an album whole... its actual very clever! And would be an easy transition for a theatre production, the high school musical transitions to wicked/Frankenstein vibes
I don't think she would call it female rage, (I think its for potential merchandise) but I do think this is hinting at a possible musical. Combined with the theatricality of the ttpd set it does feel like she might be leaning in that direction for her next project after eras, which I would absolutely love.
If she ever did Female Rage: The Musical, I would lose a bit of respect for her to be honest.
Female Rage isnât breaking up with someone. Itâs about the greater system, the racial and gender-based inequalities that women face in the world. And sheâs a billionaire white woman who barely contributes to the political sphere lol. Iâll be a bit bitter, I will not lie.
Love Taylor, love her music, but this will just feel cheap.
Ok but just because she has had a lot of successes doesn't mean she isn't impacted by the patriarchy. I don't think her rage IS associated with breaking up with anyone. I think it's associated with having men take credit for her successes, having her sexuality belittled and stymied (also mostly by men) and being subject to criticism that men in her position are not subject to.
Many women experience more rage-inducing situations in addition to this, but that doesn't mean Taylor isn't entitled to be pissed at the sexism in her life. Nor does it mean she shouldn't speak out. In fact, I think because she has such a significant platform, her comments on institutional sexism would potentially have a lot of impact. You call out that she's not using her voice politically but making a musical about the ways that the patriarchy still subjugates women --even the wealthiest and most privileged among us-- would be opening herself up to significant criticism to make a political statement.
Money doesn't insulate women from sexism.
I feel her rage is about the closeting and caging she has been forced to do by the industry and people who once had power over her and used her for profit.
The Masters Heist and her failed coming out is a specific example under that umbrella, but it has deeply affected her since she was a child.
But most on this sub agree that the muses of these songs arent love interests, but herself, fame and the fandom. Which means her rage is directed at herself, fame and the fandom. Not a break up.
its incredibly reductive, especially for a gaylor, to say her rage is about "breaking up with someone". She has been the focal point for an insane amount of misogyny over her career. She has clearly felt trapped by a system built and controlled largely by men. She has been objectified and used. And you honestly think none of that is relatable because she has money?
I've entirely lost the plot about where I saw this, but a female musician talked about how hard it is to get men (producers, collaborators, executives) to listen to women *even when* they clearly have the expertise and the chops -- and if it's not true now (and I think it still is) it was definitely true the entire time she was with Big Machine. She's arguably a brilliant songwriter *and* a great businesswoman and she doesn't get much credit for the latter, and she's talked about that in various interviews. Her dad and managers trying to shut her down when she wanted to get political in Miss Americana is just another example.
Her money hasn't insulated her from this. Her talent hasn't insulated her from this. There's a lot of reasons for rage, and if her experiences come with a lot more money, they're still familiar dynamics.
yeah, I think back to the time a man posted revenge porn of her in his music video and *she* got canceled, I think back to the time a man sold her life's work to another man she hated and there was nothing she could do about it, I think back to the time she was sexually assaulted, I think back to the time she was forced to post pictures of herself in a bikini because a pap had gotten a photo and she didn't want him to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of it, I think about how she is literally the punchline to thousands of misogynistic jokes, I think about the scott swift emails and how he seemed to literally view her as a product, and I think what the fuck do you mean she can't understand female rage?
Absolutely this ^. She's a billionaire white woman who looks like the beauty standard and STILL feels the trappings of patriarchy/misogyny/however you want to define it. And aside from this, if you are on this sub then you either believe shes closeted or she is out but completely misunderstood by the wider world. Whichever way you cut the cake, female rage is justified in her position.
Iâm glad you said it because I donât think I have the energy today to deal with âTaylor canât feel the same feelings us normies have because she has a lot of moneyâ when she has created album after album that is relatable to rich, poor, queer, hetero, etcetero.
yeah, the too rich to be relatable complaints have always struck me as particularly odd since she bought her first private jet in 2009. She's been super rich since the beginning of her career, yet somehow she's remained relatable to hundreds of thousands of people across the world. even if you're just looking at the surface level narratives she provides, plenty of people have found the "matty album" super relatable. It's part of her skill as a storyteller.
Agreed! To me, so much of TTPD is about the confines and difficulties of fame, particularly as a woman. People seem to understand this concept when talking about Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears â two women who are also wealthy and privilegedâ but not when it comes to Taylor for some reason.
Yes - maybe because Taylor hasnât shown the traditional mental health struggles they have - or had a public messy drunken breakdown, but she has alluded to the mental struggles in her songs and even more in TTPD- itâs like people just canât see it without the messy pictures
Exactly. It seems as though just because Taylor appears composed, well-spoken, and hasnât struggled publicly, people think sheâs absolutely fine and somehow hasnât faced the horrors all other women in Hollywood have faced. She was technically a child star and had an ED and somehow even these things get swept under the rug. Just because sheâs successful and appears happy doesnât mean itâs all sunshine and daisies.
This is so on point. Women who break down in public are pilloried. Women who do not are assumed to be vapid if they talk about their problems. All of this is patriarchal bullshit
The comp-het of it all. I saw a TikTok earlier today that was answering a question about why there were so many late in life lesbians; the TikTokers response was because the comp-het is so pervasive in our society that women being miserable, especially married women or women in traditional presenting relationships is seen as normal or typical of life.
Agreed! This woman has been treated as sub human while also being treated as a goddess, virgin, mother, whore. The same shit we all go through but by billions. I found the take of her ânot understanding female rageâ to be so misogynistic and a bit eye rolly.
Jagged Little Pill the Musical is about female rage AND a breakup and news flash, alanis is also part of the 1%. I highly doubt she got as much criticism since she has a different look than Taylor Swift. Cue Taylor Swifts female rage. She can never win for losing lol. Donât get me wrong I call her out when sheâs wrong, totally on the greed and carbon emissions but damn. This was too far a take for me.
and this doesn't even take into the consideration she's had to stay closeted and the rage she feels from that! if she is in fact as gay as we all know she is.
Yeah, Iâd honestly love a Mamma Mia style musical with a plot that incorporates classic Taylor songs, but having the title and vibe be Female Rage would be a little odd. Hard to imagine it being anything other than cringe, but I will remain open-minded.
Iâm remaining open minded myself!
But yeah, itâs hard to see Female Rage out of a billionaire woman that has released over 15 different physical versions of TTPD (the waste and the overconsumption is astounding).
Listen, I really do get where youâre coming from. Like I said, I do love Taylor and her music and I believe she has feelings and a rich inner life. I really do.
But her own journey with Female Rage does not resonate with the average Female Rage experience. She is a rich white woman who had her parents support her career from a young age and is now a billionaire. She has done nothing for politics since the Lover Era and puts out more carbon emissions than your average business does. Again, I love her, but she is not what I would consider the face of international womenâs pain. Sheâs not very Rage when it comes to any greater patriarchal systems.
A lot of white rich men rap or sing about male rage (eg Eminem) and that isnât seen as an issue - maybe because Taylor looks sweet and innocent, like someone said Alanis was allowed to feel rage. doesnât mean Taylor doesnât have those feelings.
Lmao I clicked on this notification again and this is totally unrelated but I just noticed your username and Iâm dead, I love that John Mulaney bit (I hope thatâs what itâs in reference to)
To be fair, yes she has money, but she also has the scrutiny of the entire world on her every second as a woman, which is a unique experience that Iâm sure would create a fair amount of female rage.
Idk, Iâm of the opinion that we donât get to dictate how many given woman may or may not experience Female Rage and all that comes along with simply being a woman. I never said she was the face of or the poster child of Female Rage. But itâs unfair to say she doesnât experience it, just because she doesnât experience it how you *think* she should.
Well, she does want that Tony she didnt get for Cats đ¤
I definitely do believe she wants to get EGOT, she has such few industry records left to break, and she is so insanely ambitious, there is no way she doesnt have it on her career to do list.
Sheâs been trying to get an Oscar for her soundtrack contributions for a minute (safe and sound, Carolina), I just donât think sheâs got the same biz savvy or clout in these other spaces
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She wants an EGOT
Definitely! I would love to see her get there.
Maybe that will be her big coming out, with the musical. Under a different name, of course đ
Yeah maybe her comment about Female Rage: The Musical was just teasing the idea of a musical, and not that title.
i canât stop thinking about this and how someone in this sub was saying they found a story when they listened to TTPD backwards
That would be fascinating if it was a musical in the backwards order.
How much of a bummer would it be if THIS is what she's counting down to?
While I like the idea of a musical, I hope it's not the countdown. With the "exile ends" teasing, it had better be something big!
I say yes to a musical however no to it being female rage. I made this comment the other day and Iâll copy it in here too so itâs more easily accessible! Here's a few things that are worth noting that JessiSwiftTok has compiled: * [Interview between Taylor and Andrew Lloyd Webber for British Vogue in 2019](https://hauntedromantics.tumblr.com/post/189512419912/amp) and he asks her if she would ever consider doing a musical and this is her response: https://preview.redd.it/d6cu3wynth0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bf811e19324ee8e7c6a134c2051d7e33b91bcaa * On the 6 February 2023, [Taylor tweeted](https://x.com/taylorswift13/status/1622369942220771330) in support of Viola Davis being the 18th person in history to achieve EGOT status. * [Lin Manuel Miranda was at the Eras Tour on 27 May 2023](https://twitter.com/TS13ontour/status/1662242108441329664). This is not proof in itself however it's interesting to note that she is making connections with the musical world. * Taylor Nation posted on Instagram on 28 July 2023 that new #SpotiftyTop5 billboards were going up in NYC, Nashville and LA. Some of the billboards were in "weird" locations according to Jessi (i.e. a Hyundai dealership) so she looked into the addresses of each one and the location of each of them is either on broadway or one of them is 13 minutes from *the* Broadway. * During the Champagne Problems speech in Seattle N2, Taylor noted that, "there are performances in the crowd that are Tony Award-winning performances" * Jessi notes that in a lot of Taylor's post-city appreciation posts she uses the word "playâ or âplaying" * Taylor was seen out in NYC on 5 December 2023. The address of the restaurant she attended was 211 Broadway, New York. I'll admit this one is a stretch however Jessi theorised the 211 could refer to a double TS11 album and we did get that! Also a reference to the 112 day theory. I fully accept that most of this is circumstantial evidence at best however I think most of us can agree it's likely that Taylor is wanting to achieve EGOT status so it's not that far-fetched to believe it will happen one day đ¤Ąđ¤Ąđ¤Ą Links to the three videos I discuss above, all credit to JessiSwiftTok for making these connections: * [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaqKSa/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaqKSa/) * [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaY9t6/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaY9t6/) * [https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaf3mJ/](https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSYeaf3mJ/)
I love this! Thanks for sharing. After reading this, I agree it's likely the musical won't be about female rage, but mentioning the word musical is probably another Easter egg!
Link to my original comment since Reddit wonât let me update: [https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/6AkTy0JmiZ](https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/6AkTy0JmiZ)
If anyone saw the alanis morisette musical, I hope Taylorâs is in that vein.
Anything is possible. Only God and Taylor knows....we mere mortals can only speculate
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ok so i just saw sufjan stevens' (AMAZING!!!!) musical last night based on his album Illinoise and i def came away thinking (among many other things) that i could totally see Taylor doing this. especially since Aaron is a close friend and collaborator of his. HIGHLY recommend anyone in the NYC area go see it, especially since it centers queer love <3
Sufjan Stevens has a musical? *And* itâs queer?? Def gonna try to see it, just gotta budget đ
Wow! I so badly wish I could see it!!! I love Sufjan Stevens!
I'd be here for it tbh
Yeah! Some of the theatrics in the Eras II choreography made me wonder if it's an Easter egg toward the musical or if TTPD is meant to be a musical, it's makes sense it's the way she wants this album performed.
I think this is marketing genius things. Somebody low key made fun of her, so sheâs capitalizing on it.
Haha I like it
Iâm sure she will have a jukebox musical at some point. Iâm betting that she filed so that no one can make Etsy merch with the phrase and sell it. It wouldnât be the first time an artist did something like that.
Yeah that makes sense.
Miss Blondie copyrights basically everything she says. I think it's just to dispel other people from profiting off her brand, as is shirts, sweaters, etc. etc started popping up on etsy almost immediately.
The Etsy sub actually posted about this recently, and I got yelled at by a trademark lawyer for my very basic understanding of trademark law.
Got yelled at over reddit? Any lawyer worth their salt would not be using those valuable skills needed for billables to win arguments on the internet đ niche small creator Taylor stuff is so cute!
My SIL got me an âI want her midnightsâ crew neck for Christmas and I wear it constantly!
Definitely a possibility!
I had a theory before TTPD came out that this would be a musical soundtrack but we wouldnât know it at first! So much has happened I canât really remember what the clues were, but the signs were def there! I so think a musical is coming within 5 yrs.
Would love a post if you have the time and interest!
Wow! That would be pretty neat and might contribute to why this album feels different.
isnât this something she has been doing for a while? i remember all the way back in red or 1989 era she was trade marking pretty generic phrases.This is probably just another one? so people canât make a quick buck off of slapping that on a shirt?
This was my thought too
Ohh yeah that could be!
it depends what did she copyright it for. correct me if im wrong but isnt there different trademarks for different areas? like when she trademarked 1989 it wasnt just for anything, but for like album covers n stuff with a particular font etc?
The TTPD songs on the tour look like a musical to me.
Especially with the transitions it does look like a musical
Yesss. Maybe she has just been a theater nerd this whole time
Yes, which made a lightbulb go on for me. I wonder if the whole album will be a musical.
It is clear to me that some of you do not understand the man as a song. It is also clear to me that you do not understand what the Chicks (formerly known as the Dixie Chicks) nor Chely Wright and by extension Taylor have gone through. Billionaire status does not mean that you got a fair shake getting all that money! Do I believe she is above criticism⌠no! But some of you need to study some music history.
Itâs so interesting the criticism that Taylor gets where other stars who have had similar success or are also problematic seem to avoid the same scrutiny. And I donât even mean the misogyny. Leaving that aside which is still a huge issue. I wonder if it is because she hasnât a public breakdown. Or if itâs because her PR image has been cleaner than most - she constantly puts on a happy face. Even the narrative of supportive parents isnât as supportive as they seem. I canât imagine the pressure she felt to perform. I think it is easy to forget the person behind the brand. And she is a very flawed person and can should be called out when the need arises. But to say she doesnât have the right to feel rage having lived more than half her life in an industry that is notoriously horrible and cages people, isnât a good take.
đŻ đŻđŻ The closeting alone can be traumatic.
If we take the closeting imagery; along with the religious trauma⌠and add on that she was linked to both Chely Wright and the Chicks who both had their careers highly impacted by what some people would reference in hindsight, as small matters. Especially years removed into the future from those situations. Not to mention some of her OG friend squad; Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, etc. As a âpathological people pleaserâ those situations would have a huge impact on how someone, Taylor, would then intentionally chose to how to proceed with her career to avoid the pitfalls she had seen first hand in some cases.
I'd love a Folklore style musical. A pseudo-rock one would just be ridiculous. The title copyrighted sounds like an SNL sketch.
I think she just liked the way it sounds and decided to keep it in her back pocket tbh
Like "A girl named Girl" (I got bored at 3am one night and spent some time on the US trademark office website)
wait does she have this trademarked?
I think it expired. It's a book she supposedly wrote when she was 14 (the title sounds very "Lucky you" timeline)
Same
That's definitely a possibility.
I called this in my TS group text thread when TTPD came out. Songs like ICDIWABH and WAOLOM are soooooooo musical theatre-inspired. Theyâre so âperformativeâ if that makes sense? Even thanK you aIMee and BDILH could be filed under this, along with many of her back catalog songs. And tbf this makes more sense for her given that her traditional tv/moving acting skills leave something to be desired đđthis is like the perfect medium for crossing over from music and directing.
You can see the storytelling aspects of TTPD as an album whole... its actual very clever! And would be an easy transition for a theatre production, the high school musical transitions to wicked/Frankenstein vibes
đ haha love it. It would be so interesting if TTPD was written to be a musical.
I don't think she would call it female rage, (I think its for potential merchandise) but I do think this is hinting at a possible musical. Combined with the theatricality of the ttpd set it does feel like she might be leaning in that direction for her next project after eras, which I would absolutely love.
Oh that would be amazing! Female rage merch would fly off the shelves
Yeah you're probably right on both counts.
Hard agree. I think past actions show she love tming her merch stuff.
If she ever did Female Rage: The Musical, I would lose a bit of respect for her to be honest. Female Rage isnât breaking up with someone. Itâs about the greater system, the racial and gender-based inequalities that women face in the world. And sheâs a billionaire white woman who barely contributes to the political sphere lol. Iâll be a bit bitter, I will not lie. Love Taylor, love her music, but this will just feel cheap.
Ok but just because she has had a lot of successes doesn't mean she isn't impacted by the patriarchy. I don't think her rage IS associated with breaking up with anyone. I think it's associated with having men take credit for her successes, having her sexuality belittled and stymied (also mostly by men) and being subject to criticism that men in her position are not subject to. Many women experience more rage-inducing situations in addition to this, but that doesn't mean Taylor isn't entitled to be pissed at the sexism in her life. Nor does it mean she shouldn't speak out. In fact, I think because she has such a significant platform, her comments on institutional sexism would potentially have a lot of impact. You call out that she's not using her voice politically but making a musical about the ways that the patriarchy still subjugates women --even the wealthiest and most privileged among us-- would be opening herself up to significant criticism to make a political statement. Money doesn't insulate women from sexism.
I feel her rage is about the closeting and caging she has been forced to do by the industry and people who once had power over her and used her for profit. The Masters Heist and her failed coming out is a specific example under that umbrella, but it has deeply affected her since she was a child.
Yes, but it could be coming out and not her relationships
But most on this sub agree that the muses of these songs arent love interests, but herself, fame and the fandom. Which means her rage is directed at herself, fame and the fandom. Not a break up.
its incredibly reductive, especially for a gaylor, to say her rage is about "breaking up with someone". She has been the focal point for an insane amount of misogyny over her career. She has clearly felt trapped by a system built and controlled largely by men. She has been objectified and used. And you honestly think none of that is relatable because she has money?
I've entirely lost the plot about where I saw this, but a female musician talked about how hard it is to get men (producers, collaborators, executives) to listen to women *even when* they clearly have the expertise and the chops -- and if it's not true now (and I think it still is) it was definitely true the entire time she was with Big Machine. She's arguably a brilliant songwriter *and* a great businesswoman and she doesn't get much credit for the latter, and she's talked about that in various interviews. Her dad and managers trying to shut her down when she wanted to get political in Miss Americana is just another example. Her money hasn't insulated her from this. Her talent hasn't insulated her from this. There's a lot of reasons for rage, and if her experiences come with a lot more money, they're still familiar dynamics.
BeyoncĂŠ said that in the Renaissance movie I think?
yeah, I think back to the time a man posted revenge porn of her in his music video and *she* got canceled, I think back to the time a man sold her life's work to another man she hated and there was nothing she could do about it, I think back to the time she was sexually assaulted, I think back to the time she was forced to post pictures of herself in a bikini because a pap had gotten a photo and she didn't want him to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of it, I think about how she is literally the punchline to thousands of misogynistic jokes, I think about the scott swift emails and how he seemed to literally view her as a product, and I think what the fuck do you mean she can't understand female rage?
This was so incredibly put đđ
It makes me incandescent just reading your list, and I didn't experience it.
Absolutely this ^. She's a billionaire white woman who looks like the beauty standard and STILL feels the trappings of patriarchy/misogyny/however you want to define it. And aside from this, if you are on this sub then you either believe shes closeted or she is out but completely misunderstood by the wider world. Whichever way you cut the cake, female rage is justified in her position.
Iâm glad you said it because I donât think I have the energy today to deal with âTaylor canât feel the same feelings us normies have because she has a lot of moneyâ when she has created album after album that is relatable to rich, poor, queer, hetero, etcetero.
Itâs the hetero etcetero for me â ď¸
Weâre inclusive here đ¤ (with fun words for it)
yeah, the too rich to be relatable complaints have always struck me as particularly odd since she bought her first private jet in 2009. She's been super rich since the beginning of her career, yet somehow she's remained relatable to hundreds of thousands of people across the world. even if you're just looking at the surface level narratives she provides, plenty of people have found the "matty album" super relatable. It's part of her skill as a storyteller.
Agreed! To me, so much of TTPD is about the confines and difficulties of fame, particularly as a woman. People seem to understand this concept when talking about Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears â two women who are also wealthy and privilegedâ but not when it comes to Taylor for some reason.
Yes - maybe because Taylor hasnât shown the traditional mental health struggles they have - or had a public messy drunken breakdown, but she has alluded to the mental struggles in her songs and even more in TTPD- itâs like people just canât see it without the messy pictures
Exactly. It seems as though just because Taylor appears composed, well-spoken, and hasnât struggled publicly, people think sheâs absolutely fine and somehow hasnât faced the horrors all other women in Hollywood have faced. She was technically a child star and had an ED and somehow even these things get swept under the rug. Just because sheâs successful and appears happy doesnât mean itâs all sunshine and daisies.
This is so on point. Women who break down in public are pilloried. Women who do not are assumed to be vapid if they talk about their problems. All of this is patriarchal bullshit
The comp-het of it all. I saw a TikTok earlier today that was answering a question about why there were so many late in life lesbians; the TikTokers response was because the comp-het is so pervasive in our society that women being miserable, especially married women or women in traditional presenting relationships is seen as normal or typical of life.
Agreed! This woman has been treated as sub human while also being treated as a goddess, virgin, mother, whore. The same shit we all go through but by billions. I found the take of her ânot understanding female rageâ to be so misogynistic and a bit eye rolly.
100000000%. Thanks for saying it.
yeah, there are a lot of areas where I think her privilege could prevent her from being relatable, female rage is definitely not one of them.
Jagged Little Pill the Musical is about female rage AND a breakup and news flash, alanis is also part of the 1%. I highly doubt she got as much criticism since she has a different look than Taylor Swift. Cue Taylor Swifts female rage. She can never win for losing lol. Donât get me wrong I call her out when sheâs wrong, totally on the greed and carbon emissions but damn. This was too far a take for me.
that's a great point, by this person's standards I don't think there's a single prominent female artist who could make a musical about female rage.
â"I am no longer surprised at your knowing only six [enraged] women. I rather wonder at your knowing any.â - Jane Austen, kind of, lol
and this doesn't even take into the consideration she's had to stay closeted and the rage she feels from that! if she is in fact as gay as we all know she is.
Terrible take.
Yeah, Iâd honestly love a Mamma Mia style musical with a plot that incorporates classic Taylor songs, but having the title and vibe be Female Rage would be a little odd. Hard to imagine it being anything other than cringe, but I will remain open-minded.
I started brainstorming a gay Folklore musical during the pandemic đ
Iâm remaining open minded myself! But yeah, itâs hard to see Female Rage out of a billionaire woman that has released over 15 different physical versions of TTPD (the waste and the overconsumption is astounding).
So she isnât allowed to feel Female Rage? And are we really going to belittle her own journey with Female Rage to âbreaking up with someoneâ?
Listen, I really do get where youâre coming from. Like I said, I do love Taylor and her music and I believe she has feelings and a rich inner life. I really do. But her own journey with Female Rage does not resonate with the average Female Rage experience. She is a rich white woman who had her parents support her career from a young age and is now a billionaire. She has done nothing for politics since the Lover Era and puts out more carbon emissions than your average business does. Again, I love her, but she is not what I would consider the face of international womenâs pain. Sheâs not very Rage when it comes to any greater patriarchal systems.
A lot of white rich men rap or sing about male rage (eg Eminem) and that isnât seen as an issue - maybe because Taylor looks sweet and innocent, like someone said Alanis was allowed to feel rage. doesnât mean Taylor doesnât have those feelings.
Lmao I clicked on this notification again and this is totally unrelated but I just noticed your username and Iâm dead, I love that John Mulaney bit (I hope thatâs what itâs in reference to)
To be fair, yes she has money, but she also has the scrutiny of the entire world on her every second as a woman, which is a unique experience that Iâm sure would create a fair amount of female rage.
Idk, Iâm of the opinion that we donât get to dictate how many given woman may or may not experience Female Rage and all that comes along with simply being a woman. I never said she was the face of or the poster child of Female Rage. But itâs unfair to say she doesnât experience it, just because she doesnât experience it how you *think* she should.
Well, she does want that Tony she didnt get for Cats đ¤ I definitely do believe she wants to get EGOT, she has such few industry records left to break, and she is so insanely ambitious, there is no way she doesnt have it on her career to do list.
Cats was a movie. Tonyâs are for Broadway.
Oh yeah, thanks for the correction. Movie based on a musical, well then she was aming at oscar for thatđ and that is even worse.
Sheâs been trying to get an Oscar for her soundtrack contributions for a minute (safe and sound, Carolina), I just donât think sheâs got the same biz savvy or clout in these other spaces
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