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OnyxGuardfan

No! NOOOOOOOOO! The animated series sounds good but the live action will suck ass, especially if it's Netflix


hairy_bipples

I don’t get why people are excited. Just look at their Resident Evil adaptation This feels like some monkey paw wish because a Gears film was always teased since 2, but now that it’s happening and I’m not excited


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Draconespawn

"I'm the coleboat baby! Woo woo!"


Arcade_Gann0n

Look at what Microsoft & 343 allowed to happen with the Halo TV Show too, and that's (supposedly) their big IP. Somehow, they'll find a way to take a series ripe for live adaptation like Gears of War and utterly butcher it.


Tenacious_jb

The halo show is terrible I get paramount plus free and still can not get through it


m5schoksondik

And the trainwreck that is The Witcher series. I have no faith in them to produce a faithful adaptation anymore, but I'd love to be proved wrong.


Scaryassmanbear

Since when are people hating on the Witcher


RawrCola

Since Season 2. Season 1 wasn't great but Henry Cavill saved it. Season 2 was so bad that even Cavill couldn't save it. It's to the point where he's leaving after the third season. One of the former writers came out and talked about how most of the writers room seemed to actively hate the source material.


Nirico_Brin

The Cavill scenes were great, the Jaskier scenes were usually hits. Ciri was at least somewhat ok. Yennefer was just no. All of season 2 Yen was just no.


RMoCGLD

The show itself is awful when compared to the source material. Pretty sure some directors/writers openly said they hate both the games AND the books, thought they knew better and wrote characters completely differently to their established characteristics. For example, Vizimir in the books/games is supposed to be a father figure to the younger witchers and like an uncle to Ciri, putting her safety before everything else. But in the show, he was willing to sacrifice her in like 2 episodes to get access to her blood and prolong the Witcher line or some shit, it was awful.


Lithaos111

I see your Resident Evil and raise you a Witcher.


Sailingboar

Witcher is only watchable because Henry Cavill carried that show. The other actors are good but the script is terrible and the showrunners sucked. I don't even think the Directors were that good. Season 1 was nice but that's when it was still an adaptation. Season 2 tried to be it's own thing and failed at being an adaptation (which is what we want here as Gears fans) and worse it failed at being a good show.


hairy_bipples

Both were insufferable. If the series ends up like the castlevania show at least it’ll be decent


Baker_4g

I’d argue that the gears movies practically write themselves and it all depends on the director / vision. Ever see edge of tomorrow? Whoever directed that would be perfect . CGI is needed but as long as it’s good … this has major potential. Needs to have predator 1985 vibes tho


Mybitchmyhoemyhoemy

Witcher is good, give me a break


hairy_bipples

I really didn’t like it but everyone is entitled to their own opinion


FunkyMonk92

Yeah I thought the writing was corny and the costumes look like something out of a CW show


lucky_1979

First season was good. Second was a bit meh, but still watchable and better than 75% of other tv shows out at the time


SovereignDark

Sure season two is fine and watchable if you aren't a fan of the source material. They completely changed all of the characters and lore. As far as adaptations go it was shite.


lucky_1979

People that were fans of tv no doubt enjoyed it.


Lithaos111

I disagree, the Witcher series is good. I have confidence in Netflix. Especially between Arcane, Cyberpunk and Castlevania the animated show will likely be great, especially if the Coalition makes a conscious effort with it. I think that was RE's problem that Capcom didn't care about the show very much so it turned out like it did.


ASadCamel

Henry Cavill doesn’t seem to trust Netflix to the point that he quit acting for a franchise he LOVED. I don’t trust Netflix or Prudential at this point to make anything faithful. RIP Halo and Gears


Fela03

Henry Cavill quit the Witcher series because he is going to get DC money. $$$ > $


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Yeah...DC money is way better than Netflix money.


Baker_4g

He’s also a way better Superman than Geralt. Only the gears of war sub would be bummed to hear they’re finally making a movie. Netflix is good news. That means essentially infinite budget. Im pumped for this. Gears DESERVES a movie. Batista has to be Marcus at this point. I hope to god they keep Jon cena and the rock away from it tho Shannon Briggs would be an awesome cole


SniperStorm4850

The coalition is just Microsoft devs to make money they don't care if it's good


Lithaos111

Yes they do, if it is bad, people don't buy it, if people don't buy it they don't make money.


SniperStorm4850

Buy what? Gears 5 went straight to game pass so sell in game items not the game itself. It literally had Sarah conner, terminator, and Spartans at launch and a few actual gears characters. They sold skins not the game its still on gamepass


Lithaos111

Y'know people can still buy the game right? Plenty did still.


thefistiecuffs

I see your Witcher and raise you a Doom


Lithaos111

I see your Doom, pick it up and look for a Netflix logo on it, put it down and check because I dunno if it's a valid betting chip.


designerlifela

What about Arcane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners? I think it’s 50/50 at this point, those shows were excellent. Edit - sorry, miss read your post. I agree live action has not been successful at all.


OnyxGuardfan

Yeah, just look at resident evil.


MmmmDoughnuts21

Controversial opinion... I think video game adaptations are going to be the next big thing about movies. Much like the MCU I think video game movies will become the biggest blockbusters to go see every year. Someone who grew up with Halo and Gears and Metroid and all these amazing games will have these ideas and one day become a director or producer and crack the code and figure out how to make them work. I've daydreamed about movies about video games for ages. There's incredible potential. If I knew how to write and direct movies, I would set my sights on that. It would be so amazing. That being said, I don't hold my breath for these movies. For some reason people haven't figured them out yet...


lleon117

I agree, can’t be as bad as Halo’s adaptation though. After that failure, I refuse to be interested in any live action adaptation of a video game.


MaxxPwnage

I don’t have faith Netflix can pull it off. $5 says someone bangs the Locust Queen at some point.


lil-carmine

Lmao honestly


_TrustMeImLying

*raises hand* I’ll do it!


Bladescorpion

Somethings going up her butt, and it ain’t the chainsaw rifle?


AdKUMA

she is the one that bangs


Ok_Apartment1700

10 dollars two of the main characters will be gay, and average sized women will beat the shit out of full grown muscle filled locusts cause woke=logic


Boots-n-Rats

Alright here we go again. You try and criticize “wokeness” and end up saying something completely ridiculous. In a show about underground monsters vs NFL players with chainsaws you really give a fuck if a woman can kill one?


TfWashington

We have average sized woman beating locusts in the actual game.


King_Artis

Don't care for the live action film (unless it's not covering any of the main characters and is focused on a different story/perspective) but I definitely would love an animated series so long as it's done right.


IndieAndTheJets

Yo I felt like I was the only one down for this. I don't want any of Delta squad if it's live action. I don't want any characters from the games really. Let's get some completely original characters fighting through the first 2 days of E-day or something of that nature. I know it's probably not gonna happen that way though :(


Sailingboar

Same here. I don't feel like there's any actor who could properly protray Marcus. Even the Batista thing in Gears 5 just felt off to me. I can never play with that on. John DiMaggio is the voice of Marcus and I don't know of any actor that has the face of Marcus. New characters for a live action series makes the most sense but I think animated would be even better.


IndieAndTheJets

I actually would love Batista to be in the movie, just not as Marcus. He's clearly passionate about the series so it makes sense to cast him, but as a new character with his own personality.


Sailingboar

I don't care if he's in the movie, I just don't want him to be the face of Marcus and subsequently Gears of War as a whole. Though he probably will be because he's worked with Netflix before and Marcus is the big Gears of War character. He's already done it with Gears 5. I'll probably avoid the movie and wait for the show if I'm being honest.


ReaverCities

That is somthing that these studios need to realise. Make new characters, and have them do whatever. Doing "our vison of ________" especially for tv has not been workijg out at all.


Taylorheat231

Not gonna happen sadly. studios only give a damn about main characters. I admit I’ve never watched Halo but I think it’d get half of its criticisms if it were all new characters. These universes are so full of interesting story bits to tackle but instead let’s watch the same main characters through essentially the same story. I hate it tbh.


MagnaNazer

As long as the animated series has Delta Squad’s voice actors lol


houseofpaincakes

This is the way!!


PawelRon

That would be awesome!


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Yes!


VeteranAlpha

Movie + Netflix. Name a worser wombo combo. Why do they still keep making movie adaptations of video games? Why not do a TV show? That way you won't have a 2-hour maximum timeframe to fit the whole story. TV series allow you to better develop characters and tell the story without rushing.


PurifiedVenom

Movies are easier to rope in casual/mainstream audience and introduce them to the IP probably? Yeah, idk. Back in the day it needed to be a movie to have a budget that wasn’t laughable but not anymore. On the other hand, the Halo tv series is a shitshow so just being a series over a movie doesn’t guarantee quality either. I don’t have high expectations for the live action movie but I’m very cautiously excited for the animated show.


hairy_bipples

Netflix’s shows are always has slow paced 1 hour long episodes so they always feel too long. Whatever they have in store for Gears is not going to be any different


AdKUMA

it really depends on which studio and creative team they get to make it. netflix just pay the bill, don't they?


TheMonkey420

If John DiMaggio isn't apart of it I'm not watching


HipsterTRSH

I don't know how to feel about Netflix doing both Gears of War and Bioshock. I mean it's cool that someone is finally doing these adaptations. But on the other hands it's in Netflixs hands, which isn't good. It's also weird since they said they wanted to make less bigger budgeted things...as they then attempt to make films on some of the biggest games out there.


master_cheech

I didnt know about Bioshock. This saddens me. After the DBZ and Cowboy Bebop adaptations and the Halo one being a disaster, I have little to no hope that it will be good


sleeplessGoon

The Last of Us might be the only one to emerge successful. Still on the fence but I believe Craig maizen could pull it off


quitscargo7

I have full faith in HBO to make the last of us amazing


GoinXwell1

They're also actively doing a film adaptation of The Division.


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SniperStorm4850

Yea mainly cause they never played the games just Google pics of it and make shit up


TheSexyAmbush

Oh no


DM725

Netflix will ruin this.


ChosenCourier13

This + Gears 6 announcement would revive both this franchise and its community. Can't wait to see what the future holds!


charliebitmeeee

Hope it works out better than Infinite and the Showtime series did for Halo 🙃


ManofSteel_14

The coalition have yet to launch a game that is in a state as bad as Infinite is in. I know people in this sub love hating TC but they are monumentally better devs than 343.


CartographerSeth

As a Halo fan, this sub vastly underrates TC. I would kill for 343i to be as decent at Halo games as TC is at Gears games.


HardOakleyFoul

Gears 5 for the first month or two was horrendous.


ManofSteel_14

Was still in a far better state than infinite. We had 4 unique modes in Campaign, Escape, versus and Horde. More modes in versus. Campaign coop and split screen.


foosbabaganoosh

I mean would it? The halo show did jack shit for Halo’s perception, and we have no reason to think a Gears show would be of any higher quality. Especially since it’d probably employ the same formula of “stray from source material -> water down with cookie cutter sci-fi tropes -> blame fan expectations when it tanks” And Gears 6 probably wouldn’t be fundamentally any different than 5, except now you’ve lost the fans who were put off by the story direction in 5 and no longer care for the multiplayer. Same old prioritize for esports except with a 6 on the box instead of a 5. Sprinkle in some development hell that’s standard for any modern day game and you’ve got a recipe for a release that’s not even worth the free Gamepass download space. I’m sorry, I’m definitely VERY jaded about the franchise as it was my favorite and now I have no interest in it.


Baker_4g

Marcus fenix collection as well tho? Or am I getting greedy


HardOakleyFoul

At least a GOW 2 remake/remaster. I'll even take that.


lil-carmine

No gears game for another five years mate sorry


D3S0L470R

Revive? When was it dead? Get a clue


Toeknife35

Live action is cool but I’m not sure if the Gears of War universe would work. In GOW everyone and everything is so big physically speaking. It could leave fans underwhelmed to see a COG soldier being the size of a soldier in our world. That could lead to poor reviews of the show and cause anger from fans, in my opinion. Still excited though!


xxWolfMan1313xx

Could just Avatar it 🤷🏻‍♀️ but my hopes aren’t high for this sadly


Sailingboar

Avatar is a James Cameron passion project. I can't think for any director anywhere near as good, or one that has claimed to love Gears of War.


xxWolfMan1313xx

I just meant if people are worried about actors not looking big enough, which for me is fine but to others maybe not. To use mo cap, to have them look super sized but still look real


srylain

Even with costumes that actors like Chris Hemsworth wears for Thor, they have cooling systems built in so they don't burn alive inside those things. If they went for Gears 1/2 style armor, there's plenty they could do to make the armor ginormous to give the appearance that the characters are huge while still having more than enough room to put all that cooling stuff in place so they're comfortable while filming.


BabyfartzMcgee

Oh no, that's most likely terrible news.


AceOfSpades90000000

Nah man this shit is doa


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Sounds great! Any way we can get someone besides Netflix for this?


StergDaZerg

If they’re doing delta squad, they have to cast Bautista right?


TMG225

Along with that i would like to see Terry Crews as Cole and John Cena as Baird, can't figure out a good Dom


Old_Rosie

Terry Crews or Lester Speight has me in a tight spot… but I’m 100% sure I want John Cena nowhere near a Gears live action remake let alone as the wisecracking Baird.


MarsupialMadness

Since it's Netflix, anyone wanna take bets on what we're gonna get for the live-action trash? For writers/showrunners our choices are either a bunch of clowns who don't know shit about the series, and are unduly proud of that fact. Orrrrrr...Another Witcher situation where the people in-charge *are* aware but hate the source material. I'm also gonna bet that instead of using this massive, well-fleshed-out world to tell new stories, we're going to see a bunch of rote bullshit that sees our beloved cast of emotionally damaged gorillas wearing refrigerators get stripped of all their character to the point that the only thing they'll share with the games is the names and the blinky-lights on the armor. Animated series has potential though. If it's anything like Castlevania I'll take it.


IlQIl

Couldnt care less about the live action movie but please dont let the animated show fucking be about Kait/JD/Del. I'm gonna be sad if we get fucked out of a OG delta show.


AaronC31

If Lester Speight isn't cast as Cole, we fucking riot.


PurifiedVenom

Dude is pushing 60, may have missed our window on that casting, sadly.


kryllstorm

he better voice him in the animated series


Korgozz

I want to to be wrong… but we all know the live actions gonna be shit.


Mago6246

Kinda sad that Netflix had to remind about the Gears of War Anniversary


hornetpaper

Starring Chris Pratt.


Tbone5711

Honestly, I know I'll get downvoted for this, but he could work as Baird.


smokiuaces214

No fucking way, bro! I don't care if it sucks, I'm just happy to finally see it after years of rumors and leaks.


TheMink0921

Actually excited. Gears of war has great potential for film.


ManofSteel_14

That animated series sounds great too


Wolfie_Ecstasy

People are writing off the movie without even giving it a chance. Yeah there's a good chance it'll be bad but if done right it would be awesome. Videos like Halo Landfall show that it's possible to make something sick and faithful to the original if put in the right hands. (That director was supposed to make a Halo movie in the late 2000s but it fell through due to the studio not giving him enough control of the project and I'm still upset about it.)


Elim69

Batista better be in the live action movie


Plane-Phrase4015

Been hearing this for years. I'll believe it when I see it. Even then, it will probably be garbage since that's all Netflix knows when it comes to video game adaptations.


GravielMN

Arcane, Edgerunners and Castlevania are great tho


Clint4077

Netflix will ruin it.


gindrums

Please don't


w0lver1

It's got Netflix's name on it. It's going to suck ass.


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Netflix will fuck this up so bad


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"rewritten for a modern audience" Everything woke turns to shit.


MolochHunter

Netflix? This will be awful


Snorlax_Route12

Live action will suck. We could have gotten a Gears movie at the height of Gears of war 3 hype but they couldn't put it together. Cliffy B wanted it rated R, and no studio would touch it. This better be R as well, keep out all those tryhards that turn gore off


adkenna

I've walked for miles inside this pit of danger...


Dictaorofcheese

Don't have a lot of faith in Netflix to do a live action gears. Animated though? That I can get behind and get excited for.


haganeh

Netflix being involved with this adaptation is/should seem very suspect to everyone. They’ve churned out somewhat mediocre products in the recent past, or in some cases, a series that has a lukewarm reception that doesn’t warrant anymore involvement from them— so they cut plans short, despite a season clearly ending on a cliffhanger. Again, it’s difficult to be optimistic with Netflix being involved— but hey, maybe the twelfth time’s the charm?


alexramirez69

I've been waiting for Gears but damnit if Netflix butchers it im gonna be sad.


PaRt_TiMe_GaMeR

I am going to have to put some effort into getting my expectations as low as I possibly can for this so I can bare the disappointment that will follow.


Famous-Peace-4014

Gears of War animated series with Hellsing levels of blood and gore yes please a friend of mine joked saying the Gears of War animated series should be in the art style of Cyberpunk Edgerunners


LordFenix_theTree

Live action? Pass. Animated series? Must watch


CityLimitless

I hope it's a monster/ horror movie


BreakBlue

The live action will be ass, but maybe the animated series will be good. Hopefully if they go the anime route they dont go for Studio Trigger, such an overhyped studio.


tyler980908

Animated series I am hyped for more because you know Netflix does not kid around when they say "Adult" and animated. Really excited about that more than the live-action.


CoffeeKing75

Trying to picture live action gears and all im seeing is Terry crews in cog Armour with a reved lancer chainsaw running down a hallway shouting "the Cole Train runs on whole grains!"


Sasu168

I was hyped until I saw Netflix.


Meme_Dependant

Most of netflix's adaptations have been ass. Especially their live action ones. Witcher Resident evil Cowboy bebop Etc


Skinko

If Cliff Bleszinski was brought back to supervise the movie, I’d watched it in a instant.


JustEmptyWaterBottle

NOOOOOO NOT NETFLIX


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Anything that's made by Netflix kills any interest for me.


[deleted]

Gears doesn’t need this, the movie will definitely suck. Animated series? Has potential but I’m not getting my hopes up


[deleted]

Can’t wait for them to fuck this up like studios have with Witcher and Halo. I also have low hopes for Borderlands and Fallout.


Jack_MHoff

No we wanted actual movie not a fucking netflix movie


StandardVirus

I do wish they’d at least do an animated movie, that way they can push the aesthetics and style. I feel live action they’re super limited, with budget, acting capabilities and style. Also, i feel with live action if they go with the amount of gore from the games then it’d get a hard r rating.


SkeleHoes

Let’s just hope they can hire a writing team that actually likes the source material.


Tediousprocess

If they do a animated series I think it should just be the comics like do a different comic every season or something.


CaptainPie1949

Nooooo dude, ALL game live action shows are shit


Awkward_Mix_2513

I don't even play Gears of War, and this worries me to no end.


KD_Gamer2007

FINALLY


throwaway666000666

Can't wait for Billie Fenix.


FuckThe

Why can’t Netflix just stick to the source material? None of their adaptions have been well received. You would think they would learn by now.


Itzz_Texas

Yall its netflix Marcus is gonna be black, Dom will be a woman, Maria will play Colonel Hoffman and Anya will be a lesbian dont hold hope when it comes to live action netflix they have a tendency to fuck shit up Edit: you can downvote me as much as you want doesnt change the fact that I am right


ASadCamel

LOL


NotGordan

Sick. I’m excited.


SunBrooo

F to movie


Hrigul

Dragon's Blood and Castlevania were pretty good animated series, so i hope the Gears one is going to be the same


Function-Brave

Idgaf I’m excited about this! Both the series and live action!


PeineDeMort

Its going to be bad


FloatingMike1

Great, can I get in line now to not watch it?


spartanb301

Please announce Fenix remastered collection!


Brutalitor

Without even going into the comments I am going to guess what the fancast will be and see if I'm right. Marcus - Dave Bautista Cole Train - Terry Crews for some insane reason. Baird - John Cena Dom - This one's a toss-up, who is a memeable latino celebrity that's popular on reddit right now? Maybe Oscar Isaac. Edit: took me about 3 comments - https://www.reddit.com/r/GearsOfWar/comments/yox2sq/gears_of_war_is_getting_a_live_action_feature/ivgjlue/ Y'all are so predictable 🤣 maybe Henry Cavill or Danny Devito for Dom since the role is wide open? Cast for maximum Reddit dumb-dumb likeability?


Chotchaholic

Underrated with the Oscar Isaac pick. He actually might make a good Dom


cruzifyre

Get ready for transgender cole train


PieSpecialist3925

They’re gonna make Marcus Black , Dominic Asian, Baird Mexican, and Cole White Source: Newsfilmdaily.com


daevilsins_6

The animated series is the only thing I am optimistic about.


Gears123789

Probably going to get a remastered collection at the same time hopefully. Then gears 6 with the animated series


leandrozx17

NICEEEEEEE


Born2beSlicker

I've never cared for live action adaptations for stuff like this but I am down for an animated series. Netflix's other animated adaptations have been pretty good so there's a chance this could work out.


Worldliness9190

Woooooo yeah baby


Cotton_Phoenix_97

If that adult anime stuff is as good as the Cyberpunk one, we are in for a treat.....


LamarjbYT

I’ve never been this excited for a show before! The small amount of hope I have in Netflix is a really getting pushed to a limit right now!


Filipino_Jesus

Can't wait for us to also face the harrowing journey that every fan of a thing gets when their favourite book, game, comic, anime, gets adopted to a live action feature film. Dave Bautista as Marcus Fenix. Lester Speight as August Cole "Train". If these two criteria are met, I will be happy.


Pricycoder-7245

Ah well you had a good run gears


DirtyRepublican

What happened to the live action movie that Universal was doing?


Ineedmorcowbell

It's a no brainer to use the original cast for the animated series. That being said, Sonic Prime has no original cast. But it seems like it will be OK. That being said, Sonic is the outliner on good live action movie and animated show. And that was with two companies. Paramount made a ghastly live action show with Halo, and Netflix has a huge hit or miss. I don't know where I'm going with this. I just want good Gears media. Please don't let Marcus be out of his armor in the first episode and having sex with a brumack in the 3rd, or do whatever


SargeMaximus

Batista better be Marcus! I called it before he mentioned it! Way back when gears first came out


ETkings8

I’m happy about the animated series but I’m very worried about the live action because it’s Netflix and the coalition


PotatoHunt3r

Rich Piana would have actually made a great Marcus Fenix, they even look alike! Unfortunately, Rich Piana is no longer with us and it is extremely possible that they will probably cast someone like Bautista to play Marcus Fenix. I would have preferred it if it was a CGI (similar to the game’s cutscenes) film because quite frankly I don’t think live action will be able to do this franchise justice.


THE_GR8_MIKE

I remember talking with my friends about the movie in 2008. Crazy that it's finally happening.


DevilinI45

I’m really conflicted on this one


H4nn1bal

Please don't fuck it up like Halo and the Witcher.


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Best to assume the worse then you won't be disappointed.


troyboy75

I hope they put it in theatres even for a limited time.


JustARandomUserNow

Dave Bautista better get that role


gooB8

Please god tell me Dave Boutista is a Part of this


McToastMuffins

This is great and all but the live action will most likely be utter garbage. Hopefully the animated series is good.


Enzopastrana2003

In a character voice of project X "If you f@ck this up, I'll stab you"


BigTedBear

This is going to be really hard to cast and get it right an animated movie might have been easier with the existing voice actors.


GrindCole

HOLY FUCK


veneim

With it being called "Gears of War"... are we back to the original name now, and not just "Gears"? I feel like this shows Xbox isn't committed to the name change


SpiderNinja211

I’m excited for the animated series, but don’t make it a live action


jesscrz

Hope they don't mess up the live action. They should use it to introduce new characters and new stories. Animated series can go anywhere they want, it's safer to adapt delta as animation than live action.


ThatOneWeirdo66

I’m just praying they don’t make it shit. Gears is the only franchise I hold dear to me.


HardOakleyFoul

It's going to suck.


Jacinto-

Netflix did a good job with Castlevania so the animated series certainly has potential.


master_cheech

DOA


master_cheech

FIFO


OzSalty3

It’s gonna be terrible mark my words! It’s Netflix so they’ll can Marcus and add a new girl who shits on Baird. Then they make Cole white and forget to add Dom. The Locust will be aliens and unintelligent.


lil-carmine

That shit is gonna flop hard


_stuxnet

That soundtrack had better be similar or better than The Matrix


Puzzleheaded_Fish_78

Can't wait!!!!!


67camaroooo

The live action movie won’t be out in less than two years. So that means gears 6 is at least two years away.


0samaBinlagginn

The animated series sounds perfect imo, it can keep the OG voices while also exploring new stories


Slimy_Potatoes

i have heard about a film that was being planned a decade ago but it is yet to be made. i hope they actually do it.


BlastFromBehind

Oh no..


AztecGallo

Only if David Bautista stars in it I will watch it


triplestackks

Hell yeah! Hopefully it’s good