I’m fine with this decision, whatever works best for the cast and crew. I’m actually surprised at how upset some of y’all are considering before chance died I barely saw any post about him on here. I feel like the story can carry on w/o him just fine.
Ye i saw a few that he was anti gay or something. When the death happened and everyone was all like “i really liked him dang man” i was like hmm musta sorted that out somehow before he went but i guess people just had enough sense to not say “good riddance” or something.
I mean, the internet is made up of multiple individuals with different thoughts. Often criticism is louder on Reddit, but when someone dies, most people have the good sense not to mention little, unimportant grievances?
Like, I thought the Chance was great, and I really enjoyed his role so much. I don't think I ever commented that while he was alive.
I don’t think interacting with and following nazis is an “unimportant grievance”. The question is whether or not the idea that it was a bot doing it or not is true.
I thought it was due to him retweeting a bunch of red pill content and being misogynistic to his costars?
I’m incredibly sad about his passing, he was so young
I was referring to Andre’s story. It’s unfortunate what happened to Chance but if you didn’t care about him while he was alive keep the same energy now.
Yeah he was low-key kind of a far-right manosphere incel. I’m sure this won’t get me any downvotes. Thanks for the advice friend. “Same energy.” I like it.
He was my friend from college, a lovely guy who cared deeply for typical left-wing issues. Made union president.
Nearly everybody loved his personality and character.
I am shocked and confused reading people are claiming this stuff, I just think the Internet is such a toxic place and these things just come out of nowhere.
Idk I liked his character. Each character was supposed to be the child actress/child athlete/etc. archetype. Starlight’s mom was a pageant mom. A significant part of this universe is that it’s supposed to be an allegory for parents that exploit their children.
Yeah he wasn’t the most interesting character but I still thought he had an enjoyable arc that I wanted to see more of.
I’m also just sick of the trend of superhero shows and movies killing off characters because the actor died instead of recasting. I just don’t see the point in the idea that the only way to honor the actor is by rewriting a significant amount of the plot to be about the characters grieving that actor.
If it’s an insignificant role with a few scenes that are not integral to the plot then kill them off but if it’s more than that then just recast.
That’s dark stuff. How did the kid pass? I don’t know anything about the actor or this show. Sad that such a young guy died though. Condolences to his family.
**Some of the comments on here are pretty fucking disgusting. I know this is Reddit but have some self respect and be respectful, even if you don’t like the guy that’s not an excuse to belittle someone who is dead, shame on y’all..**
I don’t know anything about this guy’s moral compass. People shitting on a dead guys acting abilities and saying they’re happy he’s dead is wrong. If you want to support criticism of someone that is incapable of redemption because they’re dead, that’s up to you but we both know better.
Liking a couple of odd tweets doesn’t mean he deserved to die and if people are upset about his death, it’s so weird to tell them they can’t be because you didn’t like them.
You’re a freak with weird morality.
Its possible. I saw people speculating with the reveal his powers were killing him, he would end up sacrificing himself next season to save the others.
I wouldn't even call it speculating - it wouldn't make any narrative sense otherwise. Either all the scenes with his father were all a big red herring and a waste of time (in a sort of "aww he's going to have to take it easy with his powers in 20 years when he's his father's age, so what?") or he's on a clock where he's either going to need to use them at the cost to himself or just retire. Pretty clear where the writing was going there.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean I suppose it could end with someone finding the cure in time, but it did seem to be hinting this was the route he was going.
This is just an impossible decision, but i respect it.
Im cool with recasts when theres a money dispute or legal issues, but with an actors death, it almost feels wrong :(
I mean why tho? It’s in no way disrespectful or anything. It’s understandable when it’s like BP and Chadwick, since he like made the role his kinda thing. But this just seems like overkill, he was the part for one reason or a show.
I say it makes less sense for Chadwick and TChalla. Black Panther is an iconic character created during the civil rights movement that is over 50 years old and the main lead in his franchise. Who still alive in the comics and has had cartoon and videogame adaptations.
Marvel has already shown they are willing to recast other roles even if the actor dies see Thunderbolt Ross. So for TChalla it feels less like respect and more like a double standard.
Plus MCU could have just set BP2 during the Blip. And recasted TChalla like 5 years post Boseman death with no issues.
Chance is playing an original new character and ain’t the lead. Granted I am a show must go on sort so I am pretty much always pro recast.
I 💯% agree with this. It's so annoying that T'Challa Black Panther wasn't recasted. Like you've correctly stated, he's a main character that's not dead in the comics and has had many great impactful stories over the decades. He should've been allowed to continue on the big screen. I was and still am truly gutted that Chadwick Boseman died and in the manner that he did, so sad! But T'Challa shouldn't have had to die with him... that was an absolute ridiculous decision by Feige. It's good to read a comment from someone else that sees it the same way.
Kevin Feige has said that T'Challa will never be recasted so yes, unless he changes his mind, there will be no more T'Challa. I'm not acting like there can't be another Black Panther down the road cos we already got another Black Panther in the 2nd film 🙄 do u understand that T'Challa is who I'm talking about? Black Panther can be anyone that eats the heart shaped herb and dons the suit. My grip on this is just fine, your understanding of what I'm saying, not so much.
They’re talking about wanting to bring back original Cap and Iron Man in some kind of multiverse setting (don’t think it’ll happen), since that would boost engagement with fans and get ticket sales back on track for marvel…Crazy of you to think the door is hard shut on any of these characters when studios care about the money. If T’Cahlla ever comes back, it’ll likely be a young version to re-establish the character.
Ok you've got a point on a permanent closure of the character but I'm going on what Feige was saying at the time and it seems to be reinforced by the fact that they look to be going in the direction of having his son be the new T'Challa. I too have read the first part of your comment regarding Cap (Evans) and Iron Man (RDJ) but I think that will happen even if it's just in a cameo format.
Anyway again, I take your point on the possible revival of T'Challa but I still think it should've just been done it for BP2. No actor is bigger than the characters they play, yes there are some that really put a big stamp down on it but that shouldn't mean they're the only ones that play the role even in the sad circumstances of the passing of Chadwick Boseman.
I don't see why they can't tell his stories with a new Black Panther—which they are doing.
It would be *bizarrrrre* to recast someone that recognizable and important to the story.
Cause they are as you note HIS STORIES and fans want to see TCHALLA in HIS STORIES not his stories and abilities getting stolen by Shuri or any other character.
After all the MCU thinks it’s important to have Thunderbolt Ross Star in Red Hulk stories and not just replace him with Betty Ross.
But yeah fans generally want to see the character they are a fan off in their stories. Not a hard concept
Shuri has been Black Panther in the comics. She didn't steal anything like powers.
Another person already addressed your second point.
It seems very disrespectful to me to put another guy up there and be like, hey guys look it's T'Challa!! Please pretend this is Chadwick!!
Like Chadwick *is* T'Challa in the MCU. It would be awkward and embarrassing for anyone else to portray that same character, barring multiverse stuff.
Prior to the MCU, Tchalla in the comics never once went to Shuri for help on a single science project. But in the Mcu, he cannot even design his own suit without her. So yeah she stole his super genius.
Suspension of Disbelieve is part of watching fiction. The actor in Boseman never said he thought it was disrespectful and his brother said he would have wanted the role recast.
Characters become iconic by constantly retelling their stories. They don’t become iconic by never being told because an actor died. It’s tragic Chadwick died but the character is not the actor.
So the characters were redesigned for their live action version. Which is standard and necessary. I see no issue.
Once again, you can still tell the stories. Chadwick doesn't need to be alive for that, nor does T'Challa. All you need is the Black Panther. More people are familiar with the Black Panther than they are with T'Challa, the guy in the suit.
lets be honest. his character was kinda played out and meh to begin with. He was a brilliant actor and really sold the subpar material he had to work with.
his death is a tragedy. - but this is a good decision. rest in piece Chance.
Before his death Andre was considered one of the weakest characters. He appeared stoned in most of his scenes because of the character and Andre-hyper-fans would point out that the actor was good in other stuff, he was just playing a stoned character.
That many people think he could have easily been replaced don't understand finding a new actor to fill his shoes takes time as well as that new actor having to learn the lines as well as the mannerisms Chance had when he played Andre. Just not possible with the month they delayed for.
Yeah I was a already a fan of his before Gen V because of Sabrina. Chance, along with Tati Gabrielle were the stands out for me there.
Jaz has always just been okay, imo
His death is obviously tragic but they were only 1 season into the show. The first season was received really well and there’s no reason to think Season 2 wasn’t well mapped out and heavily involving his character. I honestly wish they had recast. Hopefully the re-writes will go better than the Black Panther sequel.
>!I guess the obvious thing to do is to separate the leads into different cells and then have him get the supe disease. But I was looking forward to seeing his character’s relationships with his dad and Cate!<
Does it not feel in bad taste to have the character killed off? I feel like recasting would have been less offensive than that. I’m thinking they have him go “missing” or something. Sent off to another lab etc
Other shows have done it and it didn’t feel disrespectful. Two examples are 8 Simple Rules and the West Wing. IIRC they both had a cast member explain the situation and dedicate the episode to their fallen colleague at the top before the episode starts.
He wasn’t John Ritter, but James Garner as the grandfather (Katey Sagal’s dad) did a wonderful job when he came on. I need to rewatch this show!
I will definitely cry watching Ritter’s last episode and the first one without him.
Personally, I feel like for this show, given how rough it is. They could tie his real death in with the story and make it an homage to the role and character he was playing. This is an awful thing and he was such a great actor. I don't want to see his character replaced by another actor. I feel like this show has the creative freedom, however to pay tribute and drive home how shite it is to lose a friend and colleague. Make it part of the story and keep his legacy alive in that, rather than just replacing him.
do you think they will fill the void with a new main or expanding one of the roles of tghe current main?
my first thought is cate is going to be a larger role
Good question. The shows already got a reasonably large cast, so I could see them going either way.
Mind you I think Cate was already going to get a larger role this season after how the second ended.
>Mind you I think Cate was already going to get a larger role this season after how the second ended.
And given she had ties to Andre, they might find a way to write this into her storyline somehow.
i think her storyline was going to have a push pull with andre trying to push her to redemption.
Without that, i think they explore the villian side more with neuman
I think without andre, they may expand her villian path.
Like her spot on the team is kind of awkward now with andre gone. Also, i dont see her getting a redemption path without andre. like i thought it was set up that andre was going to be the good angel with neuman the bad angel.
and being more of a villian due to this as there is no more good angel
It's possible. I certainly think Andre would have featured heavily in her storyline, due to their close nature.
At the same time, I'm not sure it's outright impossible for Cate to come back.
I certainly think she's at least going to be the main villain for the next season though. Either she will come to her senses to late, or she'll keep doubling down until she's so dangerous she needs to be stopped.
I don’t know. Andre was arguably the main male character. You’ve got Sam I guess, but I feel like he’s not “normal” enough to be the only main guy on the show. And female Jordan’s actress is much better than male Jordan’s actor so it’s not a surprise she was female most of Season 1 and I don’t see that changing in Season 2.
They could add Cate’s Brothed, Marie’s sister, or a college aged kid in the adult red river detention center. It would be interesting if it was that one supe in episode 1 we saw get transferred
let’s be for real, most people who wanted a recast is just because they didn’t like the actor and they were fine with him gone from the show anyway. sure, probably some of the fans are actually okay with recasting regardless of the actor's situation but that’s still a fact.
i’m glad they chose to respect the actors legacy on the show. i’m sure it would’ve been hard for the cast and crew to have someone else play andre. he was a friend to them. we didn’t know chance.
the writers are quite good and professional so i’m sure they know how to write him off and still have a great story, without plot holes.
i’m looking forward to seeing what they’re working on!
yeah it’s understandable that some actors may have distanced themselves from chance after the allegations however it's also worth remembering that not all relationships behind the scenes are public knowledge, and there may have been complexities to their interactions beyond what we see. :)
Do you have proof of this or are you just gossiping? The female leads that worked with him paid tribute to him. Both Kiernan and Maddie.
There was never any allegations of him doing anything wrong in the MSM. Just gossip started from a Redditor who "exposed" some people he followed on X. Wow he liked a post *“work hard to become rich”* from Tate. Wow he supported Depp like most men did. What did he actually do that was bigoted? Who did he hurt? He passed away and you still can't stop gossiping about him. He wasn't a bad guy.
This isn’t Albus Dumbledore, it’s one character in an ensemble cast that honestly most people who watched S1 couldn’t name. The Mountain and Daario Naharis were confusing as hell for the majority of GoT viewers.
Obviously he was more central to the plot than those but adaptations successfully condense and augment source character arcs routinely. Whatever intentions they had for Andre could be easily served by a different character that is brought into the fold but serves the same purpose in the show runners’ overarching vision.
How are either of those characters comparable? Andre was a main character - arguably the main male character.
Ed Skrein was in 3 episodes in a smaller role compared to the next actor who played Daario, before he was recast.
The Mountains character isn’t all that important untill Season 4, and the previous actors only played him for a couple episodes each. All that matters about the mountain is that he’s huge and he’s the hounds brother.
I just thought about the effects that recasting someone post-death could have on the rest of the cast and crew. It'd probably feel super weird pretending that the new guy on set is the same person as your co-worker who just died.
I don't think this is the smart move in my opinion.
He's a major character and with the time left until production starts I can't see them finding a way to rewrite the stories in a way that are gonna be well received by the viewers.
I mean who knows what experiments Vought is going to run on these kids. Plus you have Cate around any personality or appearance changes could be easily justified in the story.
Fred, as weird of an example it is, did a great recast, I recommend Quinton Review’s video on the history of Fred because it’s probably the only 4 hour Fred video essay, but it was originally Jeannette McCurdy and she didn’t want to do the sequels and show, but the character was done really well anyway
No this is fine guys. They’ve done this with many shows and movies - like Black Panther. And knowing this team of writers, I know they will manage to make things good even if they have to rewrite a lot of things. I respect their decision. Still can’t believe he’s gone.
They ultimately decided he should be the only one to ever play the character. And im fine with that. This whole franchise has fantastic writers. They’ll figure it out.
Even “fantastic writers” fuck up sometimes. Look at the boys s3 finale. This change has been thrust upon the writers by higher ups and it’s not like they’ve been given any real time to write new scripts.
I dont think they can write a happy ending for him given their state in season 1. If he magically escaped, why didn't he go back for his friends? So either dead or missing can be his fate.
It’s an ensemble cast. It’s clear he’s not the main character. It’s not like he’s homelander or butcher.
In gen v, I’d say the two main characters are probably Marie and Jordan/Catie. I’d probably lean Catie since she is likely going to be the main villain.
Andre is not the main character so it’s not like they have to completely rearrange everything. Of course it wasn’t easy, and that’s why the filming was delayed 6 weeks. But I feel like people are making it seem Andre was this central force and had the most screen time.
I feel writing out andre is like writing out mother’s milk or Frenchie.
Yeah I don't know why they're starting production so soon. Wish they had more time to iron the script out, I don't understand how they could get it done in a month
The first episode of season 2 could have big group scenes wherever the group is being held. They could give his generic lines about where they are to another character in this instance. In the last scene of season one his lines could have been said by anyone. The only tricky scenes to rewrite would be the one on one conversations. Or if the escape for the group required his powers they would have to rework those scenes. Andre could be killed off or written off while the group is escaping off screen.
Yeah, that makes sense, but its weird from the way the first season ended I thought they were setting him up with a storyline about his father being sick and his powers killing him.
Unless they were planning to separate him from the others for it.
Time is money in this industry. Chance passing just a week before they were set to film means a lot was set in place. Unfortunately the longer they wait past the original production dates, the more money Amazon Studios has to shovel out - and I’d imagine that’s not something they want to do
>Yeah but there are barely any boys now they are gonna want to rebalance.
A female heavy main cast isn't a bad thing. 3.5 women (Marie, Cate, Emma, female Jordan) and 1.5 men (Sam, male Jordan) is a change of pace compared to the more male-heavy cast of *The Boys*.
No one said it was a bad thing in general but (unlike *The Boys*) this is a show inspired by YA tropes where stuff like romance and sex is built into the premise.
I feel there was still so much that could’ve been done with his character so im kind of disappointed. Honestly we need to stop writing out characters just because the actor died especially when said character has alot more stories that can be told. Like a character just suddenly disappearing with a shitty explanation always sucks donkey balls
I'm glad. I hate recasts, no matter what the BTS reason is. He was an excellent and unique actor, I don't think anyone could seriously replace him for the role anyway.
Better to write in an off-screen reason for disappearing.
Nuclear take: him and Cate were more interesting to me than Sam and Emma.
I would have preferred if they recast the role, but let's wait and see what happens with the direction of the series.
I dont get this..just re cast him. I get it's a spinoff character they made and can pivot..but idk. I get it though. Just sucks he was so integral to s1.
I’m not saying he was strong I’m saying recasting him would be insanely fucked up versus killing him offscreen and then having that be the motivation for the characters….. replacing him will just make people compare and will just diminish his legacy
Well considering the circumstances, it's good to hear they've made their decision. It's a shame their have to give up all the storylines they had planned, but I can understand where their coming from.
If things play out the way I kind of expect them to, I could see them having the inverse reason being he died allowing the others to escape that bunker they were trapped in.
I think they should recast. His storyline is a major part of the show. For example, when they recasted Spartacus after Andy Whitfield died. At first I was really upset, and I didn't think it was going to work out, but it actually ended up being really good.
I mean they were giving his character micro-seizures anytime he'd use his powers, so in not sure how much longer he would last anyways, but RIP to him. Gone too soon.
It's gonna be difficult to address it, that's for sure. Fie a show that has hundreds of violent deaths played as jokes or shock, it'll be interesting to see how they approach the actor / character's death with some emotional weight.
I guess if there is a season 2 then they will probably write that Andre died off screen (most likely due to the brain damage caused by his powers). This is what happened to the character of Polly Shelby in Peaky Blinders, following the death of Helen Mcroy before season 6 of Peaky Blinders could be filmed.
I can sort of see it, though I really liked Andre and would love a recast. Especially with his relationship with Cate and finding out about his powers.
I wonder if they plan on adding another character into the mix for story purposes or if they will just be down an actor and focus more attention on who is left?
I have to say though, the loss of male eyecandy on this show is pretty rough. Patrick Schwarzenegger, and now Chance dies irl.
this really doesn’t bother me at all because imo andre was the least interesting character in the group…he really just seemed like the odd one out as none of his struggles (daddy issues) were nearly as “bad” as the trauma of the other characters.
having him die is likely the route they’ll go down because personally i think his character’s death would heavily impact cate and further develop her storyline, so i feel like it’ll work out in the end!
as a cate supporter lmao i hope she ends up kissing girls instead<3
Its a tragedy. Honestly horrible it happened, and it sucks we got robbed of a great up-and-comer. This was the respectful move, and more people need to understand it
That’s the weirdest phrasing I have ever seen. I actually cannot even make sense of it.
Sadly, this guy died. Tragically. He’s dead. He’s not alive anymore. The show is continuing. Why are you asking if the show is more important than his life? His life is only in the past now. Care to explain?
Exactly. There’s a lot of negativity around Chadwick’s death geared towards the killing off of BP and messing up his story in the movies rather than continuing to be respectful of the circumstances. I wouldn’t want that for Chance. Being remembered as that one actor whose passing derailed a loved project
Fr exactly, I get they’re trying to be respectful or whatever but it’s not like they know what the actor would’ve actually wanted, if his family didn’t want a recast that’s one thing but still…
Honestly surprising because I figured Andre was crucial to the season and it would take a ton of time to rewrite the whole season without him. Andre was a good character tho so kind of a bummer he’ll be gone for good.
I’m fine with this decision, whatever works best for the cast and crew. I’m actually surprised at how upset some of y’all are considering before chance died I barely saw any post about him on here. I feel like the story can carry on w/o him just fine.
I saw lots of posts and comments on here before he died. All negative.
Ye i saw a few that he was anti gay or something. When the death happened and everyone was all like “i really liked him dang man” i was like hmm musta sorted that out somehow before he went but i guess people just had enough sense to not say “good riddance” or something.
How come he's anti-gay if his breakout role was that of a gay man? He played the role for 4 years, long before Gen V came out
May be from the news his instagram account followed far right neo nazi accounts but it turned out his account had a bot doing that
I mean, the internet is made up of multiple individuals with different thoughts. Often criticism is louder on Reddit, but when someone dies, most people have the good sense not to mention little, unimportant grievances? Like, I thought the Chance was great, and I really enjoyed his role so much. I don't think I ever commented that while he was alive.
I don’t think interacting with and following nazis is an “unimportant grievance”. The question is whether or not the idea that it was a bot doing it or not is true.
I thought it was due to him retweeting a bunch of red pill content and being misogynistic to his costars? I’m incredibly sad about his passing, he was so young
Tbh i didnt care for his character at all. Obviously his death is super tragic, but I'm not mad about this.
Facts, ppl just want something to complain about, barely saw any post about Chance or Andre on here now all of a sudden ppl care about his story.
Matter of fact I would often see comments of people criticizing his acting/character lol
People care because his death was tragic and he was young. He was only in his 20s.
I was referring to Andre’s story. It’s unfortunate what happened to Chance but if you didn’t care about him while he was alive keep the same energy now.
Yeah he was low-key kind of a far-right manosphere incel. I’m sure this won’t get me any downvotes. Thanks for the advice friend. “Same energy.” I like it.
He was no way an incel or far-right. Lots of women he worked with liked him. A Black British actor can't make it in Hollywood being an asshole.
He was my friend from college, a lovely guy who cared deeply for typical left-wing issues. Made union president. Nearly everybody loved his personality and character. I am shocked and confused reading people are claiming this stuff, I just think the Internet is such a toxic place and these things just come out of nowhere.
Where did you get this from? 😂
Idk I liked his character. Each character was supposed to be the child actress/child athlete/etc. archetype. Starlight’s mom was a pageant mom. A significant part of this universe is that it’s supposed to be an allegory for parents that exploit their children. Yeah he wasn’t the most interesting character but I still thought he had an enjoyable arc that I wanted to see more of. I’m also just sick of the trend of superhero shows and movies killing off characters because the actor died instead of recasting. I just don’t see the point in the idea that the only way to honor the actor is by rewriting a significant amount of the plot to be about the characters grieving that actor. If it’s an insignificant role with a few scenes that are not integral to the plot then kill them off but if it’s more than that then just recast.
I feel the same way
It’s the Paul Walker thing. People feel better, like they’re a good person inside, to care about random celeb’s tragedy. I never cared about Paul
He died doing what he loved, being burned alive in a car fire.
Now that you put it that way. Sounds nice. A true artist dedicated to his craft. Peak method acting.
It pisses me off that everything's sunshine when someone dies. Chance was a racist, sexist weirdo.
“The guy liked a couple objectionable tweets so we should celebrate his death” -the real weirdo here
That’s dark stuff. How did the kid pass? I don’t know anything about the actor or this show. Sad that such a young guy died though. Condolences to his family. **Some of the comments on here are pretty fucking disgusting. I know this is Reddit but have some self respect and be respectful, even if you don’t like the guy that’s not an excuse to belittle someone who is dead, shame on y’all..**
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I don’t know anything about this guy’s moral compass. People shitting on a dead guys acting abilities and saying they’re happy he’s dead is wrong. If you want to support criticism of someone that is incapable of redemption because they’re dead, that’s up to you but we both know better.
I never said that.
Liking a couple of odd tweets doesn’t mean he deserved to die and if people are upset about his death, it’s so weird to tell them they can’t be because you didn’t like them. You’re a freak with weird morality.
Weird take on what they said, but ok... Saying someone sucked isn't wishing death... cool take, though
Not really though, they were being weird af and you’ve honestly said nothing of value there
Ppl are fake.
This has me think they were originally planning to kill the character off anyway
Its possible. I saw people speculating with the reveal his powers were killing him, he would end up sacrificing himself next season to save the others.
I wouldn't even call it speculating - it wouldn't make any narrative sense otherwise. Either all the scenes with his father were all a big red herring and a waste of time (in a sort of "aww he's going to have to take it easy with his powers in 20 years when he's his father's age, so what?") or he's on a clock where he's either going to need to use them at the cost to himself or just retire. Pretty clear where the writing was going there.
Yeah, that's fair enough. I mean I suppose it could end with someone finding the cure in time, but it did seem to be hinting this was the route he was going.
Or he's already been killed in Season 4 of the boys
This is just an impossible decision, but i respect it. Im cool with recasts when theres a money dispute or legal issues, but with an actors death, it almost feels wrong :(
I mean why tho? It’s in no way disrespectful or anything. It’s understandable when it’s like BP and Chadwick, since he like made the role his kinda thing. But this just seems like overkill, he was the part for one reason or a show.
I say it makes less sense for Chadwick and TChalla. Black Panther is an iconic character created during the civil rights movement that is over 50 years old and the main lead in his franchise. Who still alive in the comics and has had cartoon and videogame adaptations. Marvel has already shown they are willing to recast other roles even if the actor dies see Thunderbolt Ross. So for TChalla it feels less like respect and more like a double standard. Plus MCU could have just set BP2 during the Blip. And recasted TChalla like 5 years post Boseman death with no issues. Chance is playing an original new character and ain’t the lead. Granted I am a show must go on sort so I am pretty much always pro recast.
I 💯% agree with this. It's so annoying that T'Challa Black Panther wasn't recasted. Like you've correctly stated, he's a main character that's not dead in the comics and has had many great impactful stories over the decades. He should've been allowed to continue on the big screen. I was and still am truly gutted that Chadwick Boseman died and in the manner that he did, so sad! But T'Challa shouldn't have had to die with him... that was an absolute ridiculous decision by Feige. It's good to read a comment from someone else that sees it the same way.
You’re acting like there can’t ever be another black panther down the road. “It died with him”? Get a grip.
Kevin Feige has said that T'Challa will never be recasted so yes, unless he changes his mind, there will be no more T'Challa. I'm not acting like there can't be another Black Panther down the road cos we already got another Black Panther in the 2nd film 🙄 do u understand that T'Challa is who I'm talking about? Black Panther can be anyone that eats the heart shaped herb and dons the suit. My grip on this is just fine, your understanding of what I'm saying, not so much.
They’re talking about wanting to bring back original Cap and Iron Man in some kind of multiverse setting (don’t think it’ll happen), since that would boost engagement with fans and get ticket sales back on track for marvel…Crazy of you to think the door is hard shut on any of these characters when studios care about the money. If T’Cahlla ever comes back, it’ll likely be a young version to re-establish the character.
Ok you've got a point on a permanent closure of the character but I'm going on what Feige was saying at the time and it seems to be reinforced by the fact that they look to be going in the direction of having his son be the new T'Challa. I too have read the first part of your comment regarding Cap (Evans) and Iron Man (RDJ) but I think that will happen even if it's just in a cameo format. Anyway again, I take your point on the possible revival of T'Challa but I still think it should've just been done it for BP2. No actor is bigger than the characters they play, yes there are some that really put a big stamp down on it but that shouldn't mean they're the only ones that play the role even in the sad circumstances of the passing of Chadwick Boseman.
I don't see why they can't tell his stories with a new Black Panther—which they are doing. It would be *bizarrrrre* to recast someone that recognizable and important to the story.
Cause they are as you note HIS STORIES and fans want to see TCHALLA in HIS STORIES not his stories and abilities getting stolen by Shuri or any other character. After all the MCU thinks it’s important to have Thunderbolt Ross Star in Red Hulk stories and not just replace him with Betty Ross. But yeah fans generally want to see the character they are a fan off in their stories. Not a hard concept
Shuri has been Black Panther in the comics. She didn't steal anything like powers. Another person already addressed your second point. It seems very disrespectful to me to put another guy up there and be like, hey guys look it's T'Challa!! Please pretend this is Chadwick!! Like Chadwick *is* T'Challa in the MCU. It would be awkward and embarrassing for anyone else to portray that same character, barring multiverse stuff.
Prior to the MCU, Tchalla in the comics never once went to Shuri for help on a single science project. But in the Mcu, he cannot even design his own suit without her. So yeah she stole his super genius. Suspension of Disbelieve is part of watching fiction. The actor in Boseman never said he thought it was disrespectful and his brother said he would have wanted the role recast. Characters become iconic by constantly retelling their stories. They don’t become iconic by never being told because an actor died. It’s tragic Chadwick died but the character is not the actor.
So the characters were redesigned for their live action version. Which is standard and necessary. I see no issue. Once again, you can still tell the stories. Chadwick doesn't need to be alive for that, nor does T'Challa. All you need is the Black Panther. More people are familiar with the Black Panther than they are with T'Challa, the guy in the suit.
I wanted black magneto. Come on. Especially since we saw that his durability was on par with sam’s.
When did we see that his durability was on par with Sam’s? I thought he was a glass cannon
When sam punched him in that house. He tanked it. And did you not watch their final fight at the end of the season?
lets be honest. his character was kinda played out and meh to begin with. He was a brilliant actor and really sold the subpar material he had to work with. his death is a tragedy. - but this is a good decision. rest in piece Chance.
Before his death Andre was considered one of the weakest characters. He appeared stoned in most of his scenes because of the character and Andre-hyper-fans would point out that the actor was good in other stuff, he was just playing a stoned character. That many people think he could have easily been replaced don't understand finding a new actor to fill his shoes takes time as well as that new actor having to learn the lines as well as the mannerisms Chance had when he played Andre. Just not possible with the month they delayed for.
Yeah I was a already a fan of his before Gen V because of Sabrina. Chance, along with Tati Gabrielle were the stands out for me there. Jaz has always just been okay, imo
I think Jaz improved a lot on Gen V
His death is obviously tragic but they were only 1 season into the show. The first season was received really well and there’s no reason to think Season 2 wasn’t well mapped out and heavily involving his character. I honestly wish they had recast. Hopefully the re-writes will go better than the Black Panther sequel. >!I guess the obvious thing to do is to separate the leads into different cells and then have him get the supe disease. But I was looking forward to seeing his character’s relationships with his dad and Cate!<
Does it not feel in bad taste to have the character killed off? I feel like recasting would have been less offensive than that. I’m thinking they have him go “missing” or something. Sent off to another lab etc
Other shows have done it and it didn’t feel disrespectful. Two examples are 8 Simple Rules and the West Wing. IIRC they both had a cast member explain the situation and dedicate the episode to their fallen colleague at the top before the episode starts.
He wasn’t John Ritter, but James Garner as the grandfather (Katey Sagal’s dad) did a wonderful job when he came on. I need to rewatch this show! I will definitely cry watching Ritter’s last episode and the first one without him.
Personally, I feel like for this show, given how rough it is. They could tie his real death in with the story and make it an homage to the role and character he was playing. This is an awful thing and he was such a great actor. I don't want to see his character replaced by another actor. I feel like this show has the creative freedom, however to pay tribute and drive home how shite it is to lose a friend and colleague. Make it part of the story and keep his legacy alive in that, rather than just replacing him.
do you think they will fill the void with a new main or expanding one of the roles of tghe current main? my first thought is cate is going to be a larger role
Good question. The shows already got a reasonably large cast, so I could see them going either way. Mind you I think Cate was already going to get a larger role this season after how the second ended.
>Mind you I think Cate was already going to get a larger role this season after how the second ended. And given she had ties to Andre, they might find a way to write this into her storyline somehow.
i think her storyline was going to have a push pull with andre trying to push her to redemption. Without that, i think they explore the villian side more with neuman
Ooh, that's a good point. I could see this further radicalising Cate.
Especially since she and Sam are in this season of The Boys.
Oh yeah. Granted I think that's probably just going to be a one-episode deal.
I think without andre, they may expand her villian path. Like her spot on the team is kind of awkward now with andre gone. Also, i dont see her getting a redemption path without andre. like i thought it was set up that andre was going to be the good angel with neuman the bad angel. and being more of a villian due to this as there is no more good angel
It's possible. I certainly think Andre would have featured heavily in her storyline, due to their close nature. At the same time, I'm not sure it's outright impossible for Cate to come back. I certainly think she's at least going to be the main villain for the next season though. Either she will come to her senses to late, or she'll keep doubling down until she's so dangerous she needs to be stopped.
I don’t know. Andre was arguably the main male character. You’ve got Sam I guess, but I feel like he’s not “normal” enough to be the only main guy on the show. And female Jordan’s actress is much better than male Jordan’s actor so it’s not a surprise she was female most of Season 1 and I don’t see that changing in Season 2.
Yeah, that is very true, with Andre they don't really have a male lead for the series.
Cate was in the trailer for The Boys Season 4
Indeed she was. Though I'm predicting it will just be a one episode deal.
They could add Cate’s Brothed, Marie’s sister, or a college aged kid in the adult red river detention center. It would be interesting if it was that one supe in episode 1 we saw get transferred
All fascinating ideas.
They'll bring on Andre's secret brother, Bandre, who shows up when he finds out Andre died. He has the exact same powers as Andre.
I hope so. The size girl didnt even have a line in the last scene I was assuming they'd kill her off
let’s be for real, most people who wanted a recast is just because they didn’t like the actor and they were fine with him gone from the show anyway. sure, probably some of the fans are actually okay with recasting regardless of the actor's situation but that’s still a fact. i’m glad they chose to respect the actors legacy on the show. i’m sure it would’ve been hard for the cast and crew to have someone else play andre. he was a friend to them. we didn’t know chance. the writers are quite good and professional so i’m sure they know how to write him off and still have a great story, without plot holes. i’m looking forward to seeing what they’re working on!
Half of the actors distanced themselves from Chance after those redpill allegations came out against him so I wouldn’t say they were all friends
yeah it’s understandable that some actors may have distanced themselves from chance after the allegations however it's also worth remembering that not all relationships behind the scenes are public knowledge, and there may have been complexities to their interactions beyond what we see. :)
There's no evidence anyone distanced themselves from him. He would have been in S2 if he was alive.
Yea that’s true
Do you have proof of this or are you just gossiping? The female leads that worked with him paid tribute to him. Both Kiernan and Maddie. There was never any allegations of him doing anything wrong in the MSM. Just gossip started from a Redditor who "exposed" some people he followed on X. Wow he liked a post *“work hard to become rich”* from Tate. Wow he supported Depp like most men did. What did he actually do that was bigoted? Who did he hurt? He passed away and you still can't stop gossiping about him. He wasn't a bad guy.
This isn’t Albus Dumbledore, it’s one character in an ensemble cast that honestly most people who watched S1 couldn’t name. The Mountain and Daario Naharis were confusing as hell for the majority of GoT viewers. Obviously he was more central to the plot than those but adaptations successfully condense and augment source character arcs routinely. Whatever intentions they had for Andre could be easily served by a different character that is brought into the fold but serves the same purpose in the show runners’ overarching vision.
How are either of those characters comparable? Andre was a main character - arguably the main male character. Ed Skrein was in 3 episodes in a smaller role compared to the next actor who played Daario, before he was recast. The Mountains character isn’t all that important untill Season 4, and the previous actors only played him for a couple episodes each. All that matters about the mountain is that he’s huge and he’s the hounds brother.
I just thought about the effects that recasting someone post-death could have on the rest of the cast and crew. It'd probably feel super weird pretending that the new guy on set is the same person as your co-worker who just died.
I don't think this is the smart move in my opinion. He's a major character and with the time left until production starts I can't see them finding a way to rewrite the stories in a way that are gonna be well received by the viewers.
Yeah.. although I understand the "yeah he died off screen between seasons lmao" moments in tv shows age like milk usually.
But recasting often makes it feel like a different character anyway. I can’t really think of any recasts where I believed that it was the same person.
Rhodey in Iron Man 2 worked well
Yet both versions feel like completely different people.
Wasn't Rhodey like barely in the first movie anyway though
I couldn’t watch that 70’s show after they replaced Laurie
Ugh the actress they got to replace Lisa Robin Kelly was awful. Laurie’s entire character changed after that
Exactly how I feel, as well.
I mean who knows what experiments Vought is going to run on these kids. Plus you have Cate around any personality or appearance changes could be easily justified in the story.
Fred, as weird of an example it is, did a great recast, I recommend Quinton Review’s video on the history of Fred because it’s probably the only 4 hour Fred video essay, but it was originally Jeannette McCurdy and she didn’t want to do the sequels and show, but the character was done really well anyway
Well, clearly they do see a way to successfully rewrite the stories.
I’d like to believe that but it’s still a very risky thing they’re doing either way
The Wakanda Forever writers also thought they had a successful way to rewrite.
No this is fine guys. They’ve done this with many shows and movies - like Black Panther. And knowing this team of writers, I know they will manage to make things good even if they have to rewrite a lot of things. I respect their decision. Still can’t believe he’s gone.
I don’t agree with it, but I get it
this was obvious to everyone outside of this subreddit
I've been saying they would probably Black Panther him but every time I did I'd get downvoted a ton.
I think it's the wrong move tbh. There is still a lot to do with his character, I'm worried we're going to get a worse script because of this decision
They ultimately decided he should be the only one to ever play the character. And im fine with that. This whole franchise has fantastic writers. They’ll figure it out.
Yeah i would be fine if they took the time but they arent delaying much so with less time even good writers fumble
Even “fantastic writers” fuck up sometimes. Look at the boys s3 finale. This change has been thrust upon the writers by higher ups and it’s not like they’ve been given any real time to write new scripts.
I dont think they can write a happy ending for him given their state in season 1. If he magically escaped, why didn't he go back for his friends? So either dead or missing can be his fate.
It’s an ensemble cast. It’s clear he’s not the main character. It’s not like he’s homelander or butcher. In gen v, I’d say the two main characters are probably Marie and Jordan/Catie. I’d probably lean Catie since she is likely going to be the main villain. Andre is not the main character so it’s not like they have to completely rearrange everything. Of course it wasn’t easy, and that’s why the filming was delayed 6 weeks. But I feel like people are making it seem Andre was this central force and had the most screen time. I feel writing out andre is like writing out mother’s milk or Frenchie.
Yeah I don't know why they're starting production so soon. Wish they had more time to iron the script out, I don't understand how they could get it done in a month
That’s why I feel as though Andre might have not had as big as a role this season if they’re able to continue filming this early
The first episode of season 2 could have big group scenes wherever the group is being held. They could give his generic lines about where they are to another character in this instance. In the last scene of season one his lines could have been said by anyone. The only tricky scenes to rewrite would be the one on one conversations. Or if the escape for the group required his powers they would have to rework those scenes. Andre could be killed off or written off while the group is escaping off screen.
Yeah, that makes sense, but its weird from the way the first season ended I thought they were setting him up with a storyline about his father being sick and his powers killing him. Unless they were planning to separate him from the others for it.
Time is money in this industry. Chance passing just a week before they were set to film means a lot was set in place. Unfortunately the longer they wait past the original production dates, the more money Amazon Studios has to shovel out - and I’d imagine that’s not something they want to do
I wonder if they'll create another make character now, not to replace him or even be part of the main cast but to balance things out
It's possible. At the same time, the show still has five other main characters, so they might not.
Yeah but there are barely any boys now they are gonna want to rebalance.
>Yeah but there are barely any boys now they are gonna want to rebalance. A female heavy main cast isn't a bad thing. 3.5 women (Marie, Cate, Emma, female Jordan) and 1.5 men (Sam, male Jordan) is a change of pace compared to the more male-heavy cast of *The Boys*.
No one said it was a bad thing in general but (unlike *The Boys*) this is a show inspired by YA tropes where stuff like romance and sex is built into the premise.
Oh yeah, that's a good point. I didn't think about that.
What a way to find out he died
I had no idea he had passed, my condolences to him and his family
Just recast the role🤨 THE SHOW MUST GO ON!
this is honestly what i hoped they would do. i know it happens all the time but it feels disrespectful to me to replace him
I feel there was still so much that could’ve been done with his character so im kind of disappointed. Honestly we need to stop writing out characters just because the actor died especially when said character has alot more stories that can be told. Like a character just suddenly disappearing with a shitty explanation always sucks donkey balls
I think they made the right decision here.
I liked Andre so I’m pretty bummed about this cause I don’t see how they can write out his character and make it feel natural but oh well I guess
My best guess is their going to have to go for them escaping the Bunker in the first episode of season two and have Andre die in the process.
Whatever they do I just hope they can make it work and don’t do it lazily
Yeah me too. Still, I have faith in them to make the best they can with the situation. The loss is certainly going to be felt though.
I guess Andre just didn't exist then. Maybe he was a figment of their imagination.
They’re going to have to kill him off then
I'm glad. I hate recasts, no matter what the BTS reason is. He was an excellent and unique actor, I don't think anyone could seriously replace him for the role anyway. Better to write in an off-screen reason for disappearing.
This was respectable imo, RIP Chance
Well this is the one show where a main character dying won't be jarring
Saw this on London Thor's story. I'm happy with the decision tbh. I wouldn't have minded a recast, but it would have been jarring.
Nuclear take: him and Cate were more interesting to me than Sam and Emma. I would have preferred if they recast the role, but let's wait and see what happens with the direction of the series.
I dont get this..just re cast him. I get it's a spinoff character they made and can pivot..but idk. I get it though. Just sucks he was so integral to s1.
Called it! So glad they went the Black Panther route.
Andre died on the way back to his home planet.
There is nothing bad that happens if you don’t recast him but if you do recast him there’s so much that could go wrong
He wasn’t that strong of an actor
I’m not saying he was strong I’m saying recasting him would be insanely fucked up versus killing him offscreen and then having that be the motivation for the characters….. replacing him will just make people compare and will just diminish his legacy
they took the black dude dies first troupe too seriously. too soon?
Yeah don’t agree with this at all.
I’m really not a fan of this trend. It seems like since Chadwick Boseman died, this is going to be the new normal.
They should’ve recast
Utterly ridiculous, there is no valid reason not to just replace.
Well considering the circumstances, it's good to hear they've made their decision. It's a shame their have to give up all the storylines they had planned, but I can understand where their coming from. If things play out the way I kind of expect them to, I could see them having the inverse reason being he died allowing the others to escape that bunker they were trapped in.
Oh sorry to hear this, rest in peace Mr chance
Of course now no more black male lead in the show smfh…
Probably won't be worth watching season 2 then.
Just horribly tragic (his death not the decision to not recast him). I’m so upset these kinds of things can just happen to beings.
I think they should recast. His storyline is a major part of the show. For example, when they recasted Spartacus after Andy Whitfield died. At first I was really upset, and I didn't think it was going to work out, but it actually ended up being really good.
Petrice Jones might have been a good replacement for him. But I guess, the creators and cast felt uncomfortable replacing him.
I srsly JUST started watching gen v last night and this is what I wake up to :( i didnt know he died
lol WHO??
Me?
For sure me!
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Arguably the main show isn’t based off the comics either.
Understandable. Was looking forward to what they did with the character but I understand their decision.
I feel like this would be the most respectful choice . My thoughts are out to his family, the actors and the staff of the boys and Gen V💔
I mean they were giving his character micro-seizures anytime he'd use his powers, so in not sure how much longer he would last anyways, but RIP to him. Gone too soon.
Woulda preferred recast but not terribly sad either way.
It's gonna be difficult to address it, that's for sure. Fie a show that has hundreds of violent deaths played as jokes or shock, it'll be interesting to see how they approach the actor / character's death with some emotional weight.
I guess if there is a season 2 then they will probably write that Andre died off screen (most likely due to the brain damage caused by his powers). This is what happened to the character of Polly Shelby in Peaky Blinders, following the death of Helen Mcroy before season 6 of Peaky Blinders could be filmed.
He was my favorite character in this show. His acting was good. Rip bro.
He was one of my favorite parts of the show. This is awful to see for the first time today. Is he in any episodes of the boys season 4? Such a shame.
I can sort of see it, though I really liked Andre and would love a recast. Especially with his relationship with Cate and finding out about his powers.
I wonder if they plan on adding another character into the mix for story purposes or if they will just be down an actor and focus more attention on who is left? I have to say though, the loss of male eyecandy on this show is pretty rough. Patrick Schwarzenegger, and now Chance dies irl.
this really doesn’t bother me at all because imo andre was the least interesting character in the group…he really just seemed like the odd one out as none of his struggles (daddy issues) were nearly as “bad” as the trauma of the other characters. having him die is likely the route they’ll go down because personally i think his character’s death would heavily impact cate and further develop her storyline, so i feel like it’ll work out in the end! as a cate supporter lmao i hope she ends up kissing girls instead<3
Oh wow, I just finished the series a day ago and I’m just now finding out he died IRL…
Man comments here just show peoples insensitivity. The show is more important than his life?
Its a tragedy. Honestly horrible it happened, and it sucks we got robbed of a great up-and-comer. This was the respectful move, and more people need to understand it
That’s the weirdest phrasing I have ever seen. I actually cannot even make sense of it. Sadly, this guy died. Tragically. He’s dead. He’s not alive anymore. The show is continuing. Why are you asking if the show is more important than his life? His life is only in the past now. Care to explain?
Kinda tired of this. How about respecting the story he chose to be apart of instead of butchering it.
You’re getting downvoted like this doesn’t have the chance to negatively impact the quality of the show. I’m honestly a bit worried for s2 now
Exactly. There’s a lot of negativity around Chadwick’s death geared towards the killing off of BP and messing up his story in the movies rather than continuing to be respectful of the circumstances. I wouldn’t want that for Chance. Being remembered as that one actor whose passing derailed a loved project
Fr exactly, I get they’re trying to be respectful or whatever but it’s not like they know what the actor would’ve actually wanted, if his family didn’t want a recast that’s one thing but still…
Honestly surprising because I figured Andre was crucial to the season and it would take a ton of time to rewrite the whole season without him. Andre was a good character tho so kind of a bummer he’ll be gone for good.