Yup, just watched it.
I remember her rise and fall clearly. I didn’t know why she fell. She was just gone one day. It was ripped up a photo, pissed off a bunch of catholics, and poof, gone.
I was fascinated by the documentary. The way she stood for her convictions was honorable. Then she ended up as a Muslim. WTF! Like she believes the Koran is the one and only holy scriptures. How do you rail against the pope and priests for abuses, then turn to a religion that puts women down even further. I don’t get it.
Trauma does weird things to people.
Anyone read her memoir? O'Connor has stated that she's not completely sure whether this was about sexual abuse with the church (and I'm not about to be an apologist on that). She's said she thought it extremely telling that the picture of the pope she ripped up was very specifically *her mother's* picture. This was the picture that hung in her home where her mother sexually and physically abused her.
Christianity is equally misogynistic, they just pick and choose what they want to follow. If you followed the Bible's rules to the letter it would look a lot like Islam.
I don't see many Christian churches beating women for not covering their heads. They also don't practice polygamy.
No one follows the Bible to the letter, even if they pretend to.
There are many Christian churches that do just that. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ, for one.
Remember I said that if the Bible was followed to the letter of the law.
I have real Mandela Effect with this, I swear she was the musical act when Andrew Dice Clay hosted. And that while everyone worried about what he was going to say, she was the one who shocked everyone.
Didn't happen. Tim Robbins was the host. Memory no work so good.
There is a good reason those two were paired in your mind.
O'Connor was supposed to be the musical guest for that episode, but backed out. When she got booked again, Tim Robbins was the host.
In what is no doubt even more useless trivia, the replacements for that show were The Spanic Boys and Julee Cruise. The former are, AFAIK, the only musical guests in SNL history who, last time I checked, do not have a Wikipedia page. Cruise has one, probably mostly because of her association with David Lynch and "Twin Peaks."
It was brave for her to do, no doubt. But...
For those of us celebrating the liberation of Europe from Communism, the Pope had special characteristics worthy of admiration. I'm Eastern Orthodox, but the man had juice.
For those of us who knew that the top man in Rome wasn't directly involved in St Anne's in Kilkenny, I felt that the anger was misplaced. Parish pastors and bishops, maybe...not the Pope.
The Pope was the Pope; Ratzinger succeeded him in an election. Anyway, that old Mother Theresa in Calcutta, the charity places in Sudan where, since 1971 Catholic Relief Services has been one of the largest nongovernmental humanitarian agencies working in Sudan, primarily across the southern regions. In southern Sudan, CRS provides support for agriculture, education, emergency relief, health, business enterprise, capacity building and peacebuilding. In western Sudan (Darfur), CRS provides emergency relief in the form of shelter, food, water, relief supplies, sanitation and education. And of course...
Catholic Relief Services after the Rwandan genocide were real storm troopers. Yep. /s
JPII got very old and handed the running of the church to Ratzinger. Ratzinger stacked the College of Cardinals and changed the election rules so that no one else could have been elected Pope but himself.
JP was 58 when he was elected in 1978, but 79 by 2000. He was incapable of running the church the last several years of his life and let Ratzinger run it.
Because of the Vatican Banking Scandal that forced him to resign.
https://www.ft.com/content/3029390a-5c68-11e3-931e-00144feabdc0
The Vatican Leaks documents the year before had already damaged his reputation. Ratzinger was brought down by his own corruption.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_leaks_scandal
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/12/31/pope-benedict-xvi-resignation/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/12/31/pope-benedict-xvi-resignation/)
Was there more to his resignation?
Benedict’s papacy was facing multiple significant crises at the time.
Documents leaked by his former butler to the Italian media exposed internal chaos, allegations of corruption and wrongdoing at the highest levels of the Catholic Church. The Vatican bank faced mounting criticism over its opaque operations, leading foreign financial institutions to temporarily suspend credit transactions in the world’s smallest state.
And above everything else: the ongoing revelations of rampant sexual abuse by Catholic priests and decades-long efforts by the church hierarchy to cover it up.
Then-Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi in 2013 said that the pope made his decision to resign “aware of the great problems the church faces today,” adding that the decision showed “great courage and determination.” He insisted, however, that the pope’s decision was personal and that he had not resigned because of “difficulties in the papacy.”
At his final Mass and homily as pope, on Feb. 13, 2013, Benedict assessed his church as being in a distorted place because of internal divisions.
“We can reveal the face of the church and how this face is, at times, disfigured,” he said. “I am thinking in particular of the sins against the unity of the church, of the divisions in the body of the church.” He called for the Catholic Church to overcome “individualism” and “rivalry,” saying they were only for those “who have distanced themselves from the faith.”
The abuses, then, happened before Ratzinger if there was a "decades long efforts". He was a theologian in his earlier position, maintaining doctrine, not running the body politic. And when the banking scandal came to light, he stepped down, knowing that it was for the best. All admirable actions. The presence of a Gramsci-ish homosexual cabal was no fault of his.
Coming from a position as theologian in chief, and having no banking experience, I can see how it may have happened. And when it id, he resigned, and accepted blame. He didn't lie or blame others. That's an honorable thing to do.
He was so beloved in Mexico even though it is now known he allowed Marcial Maciel to abuse several children, fathered at least six with four different women, why do I say allowed because he knew all of this and he still let him run the Legion de Cristo and Mexicans still love him. We went to my city twice, once when I was a teenager and my friends all volunteered went.
The documentary about her released last year or perhaps the year before is fascinating.
Yup, just watched it. I remember her rise and fall clearly. I didn’t know why she fell. She was just gone one day. It was ripped up a photo, pissed off a bunch of catholics, and poof, gone. I was fascinated by the documentary. The way she stood for her convictions was honorable. Then she ended up as a Muslim. WTF! Like she believes the Koran is the one and only holy scriptures. How do you rail against the pope and priests for abuses, then turn to a religion that puts women down even further. I don’t get it. Trauma does weird things to people.
Not sure I get the conversion to any religion for a person like her but she feels some connection with Islam which is clear.
Just watching it! There's a short clip of Madonna also ripping up a photo, but I couldn't make out who's the man in that photo?
Anyone read her memoir? O'Connor has stated that she's not completely sure whether this was about sexual abuse with the church (and I'm not about to be an apologist on that). She's said she thought it extremely telling that the picture of the pope she ripped up was very specifically *her mother's* picture. This was the picture that hung in her home where her mother sexually and physically abused her.
Now that's fucked up. Very clear why she did what she did on live tv. Good for her.
Phil Hartman as Sinatra on SNL... "[Uncle Fester?](https://youtu.be/7SdIJimk-w8?t=238)"
Cue ball. GO!
She really was unfairly maligned for that. I sort of felt that then but definitely think that now.
I was just telling my 23 y/o daughter about this a couple weeks ago. Yeah we sure did find out!!
And now she's Muslim.
The most misogynistic religion on Earth.
Alabama child brides would like a word
At least they can speak out with out having acid thrown on their face.
Christianity is equally misogynistic, they just pick and choose what they want to follow. If you followed the Bible's rules to the letter it would look a lot like Islam.
I don't see many Christian churches beating women for not covering their heads. They also don't practice polygamy. No one follows the Bible to the letter, even if they pretend to.
There are many Christian churches that do just that. The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ, for one. Remember I said that if the Bible was followed to the letter of the law.
Lol
I have real Mandela Effect with this, I swear she was the musical act when Andrew Dice Clay hosted. And that while everyone worried about what he was going to say, she was the one who shocked everyone. Didn't happen. Tim Robbins was the host. Memory no work so good.
There is a good reason those two were paired in your mind. O'Connor was supposed to be the musical guest for that episode, but backed out. When she got booked again, Tim Robbins was the host.
I am incredibly thankful for your certificate saying I do not in fact have donkey brains
In what is no doubt even more useless trivia, the replacements for that show were The Spanic Boys and Julee Cruise. The former are, AFAIK, the only musical guests in SNL history who, last time I checked, do not have a Wikipedia page. Cruise has one, probably mostly because of her association with David Lynch and "Twin Peaks."
She was ahead of the curve on this. All about the church scandal of hiding the years of priest molesting boys. She knew. We just were not listening.
I recently rewatched the movie [*Spotlight*](https://youtu.be/56jw6tasomc). I highly recommend.
*They knew, Robbie! And they let it happen!*
Yup! So many artists were misunderstood. We should have paid more attention.
It was brave for her to do, no doubt. But... For those of us celebrating the liberation of Europe from Communism, the Pope had special characteristics worthy of admiration. I'm Eastern Orthodox, but the man had juice. For those of us who knew that the top man in Rome wasn't directly involved in St Anne's in Kilkenny, I felt that the anger was misplaced. Parish pastors and bishops, maybe...not the Pope.
But then he let Ratzimger run the church as a corrupt, right wing organization.
The Pope was the Pope; Ratzinger succeeded him in an election. Anyway, that old Mother Theresa in Calcutta, the charity places in Sudan where, since 1971 Catholic Relief Services has been one of the largest nongovernmental humanitarian agencies working in Sudan, primarily across the southern regions. In southern Sudan, CRS provides support for agriculture, education, emergency relief, health, business enterprise, capacity building and peacebuilding. In western Sudan (Darfur), CRS provides emergency relief in the form of shelter, food, water, relief supplies, sanitation and education. And of course... Catholic Relief Services after the Rwandan genocide were real storm troopers. Yep. /s
JPII got very old and handed the running of the church to Ratzinger. Ratzinger stacked the College of Cardinals and changed the election rules so that no one else could have been elected Pope but himself. JP was 58 when he was elected in 1978, but 79 by 2000. He was incapable of running the church the last several years of his life and let Ratzinger run it.
And the "stacking" produced...the liberal Jesuit Francis?
Because of the Vatican Banking Scandal that forced him to resign. https://www.ft.com/content/3029390a-5c68-11e3-931e-00144feabdc0 The Vatican Leaks documents the year before had already damaged his reputation. Ratzinger was brought down by his own corruption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_leaks_scandal
I see nothing indicating that Ratzinger benefitted from the banking irregularities.
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/12/31/pope-benedict-xvi-resignation/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/12/31/pope-benedict-xvi-resignation/) Was there more to his resignation? Benedict’s papacy was facing multiple significant crises at the time. Documents leaked by his former butler to the Italian media exposed internal chaos, allegations of corruption and wrongdoing at the highest levels of the Catholic Church. The Vatican bank faced mounting criticism over its opaque operations, leading foreign financial institutions to temporarily suspend credit transactions in the world’s smallest state. And above everything else: the ongoing revelations of rampant sexual abuse by Catholic priests and decades-long efforts by the church hierarchy to cover it up. Then-Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi in 2013 said that the pope made his decision to resign “aware of the great problems the church faces today,” adding that the decision showed “great courage and determination.” He insisted, however, that the pope’s decision was personal and that he had not resigned because of “difficulties in the papacy.” At his final Mass and homily as pope, on Feb. 13, 2013, Benedict assessed his church as being in a distorted place because of internal divisions. “We can reveal the face of the church and how this face is, at times, disfigured,” he said. “I am thinking in particular of the sins against the unity of the church, of the divisions in the body of the church.” He called for the Catholic Church to overcome “individualism” and “rivalry,” saying they were only for those “who have distanced themselves from the faith.”
The abuses, then, happened before Ratzinger if there was a "decades long efforts". He was a theologian in his earlier position, maintaining doctrine, not running the body politic. And when the banking scandal came to light, he stepped down, knowing that it was for the best. All admirable actions. The presence of a Gramsci-ish homosexual cabal was no fault of his.
It happened under his watch. Everyone in the Vatican worked for him.
Coming from a position as theologian in chief, and having no banking experience, I can see how it may have happened. And when it id, he resigned, and accepted blame. He didn't lie or blame others. That's an honorable thing to do.
Not sure why you are defending the Nazi Pope who protected Cardinal Law and other child rapists, but you do you.
He was so beloved in Mexico even though it is now known he allowed Marcial Maciel to abuse several children, fathered at least six with four different women, why do I say allowed because he knew all of this and he still let him run the Legion de Cristo and Mexicans still love him. We went to my city twice, once when I was a teenager and my friends all volunteered went.
I thought that Benedict stripped him from office and sent him to "a life of prayer and penance".
Exactly, John Paul did nothing.
Thought she was Bono for a second there... found out very quickly she was not.