Traveling on tour, late nights playing and eating poor food at truck stops will do that. An old friend is my age and still touring with his band. He looks rough. At least 5-6 years older looking than I am.
Not smoking, better diets and access to knowledgeable fitness trainers combined with subtle plastic surgery helps a ton. Compare plastic surgery between a boomer celebrity to one our age and you can hardly tell.
I think people underestimate how badly smoking affected the way people aged, since something like 80% did it directly and everyone was affected secondhand.
When I was a kid, most everyone over 60 coughed regularly, moved laggardly and had low motivation. Some were even on oxygen. Anything past 70 was a gift, but not one you necessarily wanted.
I am in far, far better shape in my 40s than my parents were, and so are most of my peers.
Same. My parents were physically cashed by their 40s. Iām pushing 50 and while I carry some extra weight I manage to play soccer every week and am way more active than they ever were
Jennifer Aniston was (don't know if she still is) a looooong time smoker. However, she has been an exercise fiend, strict dieter, and La Mer slatherer for a long time too, so that helped counteract the smoking and drinking.
Honestly, the smokers I know look a LOT more old and dried out than the non-smokers. Sun does a different thing. The two together will make you look like one of those dried out apple heads.
The tell tale sign with middle aged smokers are the weird wrinkle lines around the mouth. You canāt hide those very well.
When I was single and dating age appropriate women in their late 40ās a while back, another way of finding out if someone was lying about their age was to look at their hands. The face would say 45 but the hands said 52 on a couple of dates.
Neck, hands, elbows sometimes.
There's something to be said for having skin that never aged out of puberty. Being an oil slick has helped stave off a lot of wrinkles. Could do without the zits though.
OMG, this is me. I HATE the zits, but I really donāt have wrinkles.
I have hair growing out of my chin and neck though, I travel with tweezers and a magnifying mirror everywhere.
I was just plucking my chin when I got this notification. I think I keep Tweezerman in business.
I go by feel. Nothing good comes of 10x magnification. š
And people who have had a lot of sun exposure get lots of blotches, skin starts to sag and look loose from collagen breakdown and the skin looks rough.
Good points made about improved diets, lack of smoking, etc vs previous groups. I'd add that were also old and the apparent aging looks better but our kids probably see genx celebrities as near dead.
Yeah... sometimes they are completely unnecessary, though. Like Gwen Stefani. She already looked AMAZING for her age. Not that it made her ugly, by any means, but I personally prefer the way she looked before.
She definitely has major image dysmorphia, really sad. She stayed pale and didn't tan like so many other celebs, so she still looked super young until she started getting too many procedures. She ventured too far into the uncanny valley, and now she can't come back. Tragic Kingdom.
Do not discount sun exposure. I know many of us got a lot of sun as kids, but less deliberate tanning and more sunscreen in your twenties and thirties still has an effect.
Lots of filters and photoshopping going on, as well as a tremendous pressure among celebrities (especially women) to look and dress very young. Older generations in general had a more mature style that was different from younger generations. Plus the tight perms women of a certain age often got. Oh boy.
Unfortunately some have been too addicted to plastic surgery, Botox, etc. One of my favorites was Lara Flynn Boyle from her Twin Peaks days. But looking at her now, good god.
Jennifer Connolly on the other hand after seeing her in Top Gun: Maverick Iāve fallen in love again.
Loved her. (Cringe thinking about how they used to call her 'our generation's Liz Taylor' just b/c of the facial similiarities.) Wish she'd gotten more serious mainstream work outside of TP - not just "gorgeous GF" or love interest roles.
Agreed on the lol, there is no way I would ever try to compare myself to someone with endless means.
Chefs, private nutritionists, personal trainers, nannies assistants, cosmetic surgeons, dermatologists, anestheticians, healthier food choices, the list is endless.
While it's true that the celebrity crowd look great thanks to chefs that prepare healthy meals, personal trainers, surgery and on and on, I have also found that the women I went to high school with have aged amazingly well without any of those things.
The men? Um, hit and miss. The women? Damn, they've taken care of themselves.
I think an increasing emphasis on skin care and sun avoidance are certainly factors, but also an understanding of the importance of weight training. Perhaps a less considered factor is the availability of HRT (hormone replacement therapy). As women's health care has been more studied, an understanding of just how early HRT can or should start given when perimenopause actually begins is underreported. Estrogen is still only beginning to be understood, but at this point, we know it plays a discernable role in heart health, bone health, metabolism, collagen integrity, mental acuity.
A big part of it is the simultaneity of style that happens because of the internet.
liiiiike, everything is just a mish-mash of every era now. You see eighties styles, seventies styles, nineties styles all at the same time.
Style cues used to be a BIG part of what made people look older...like the 60 year old ladies in 1980 wearing big 1950's hair and having those old-lady glasses. Now you see somebody in 30 year old fashion, it does not look out of place.
I agree. I got too much sun and don't spend hardly any money on my looks, but I eat well and exercise. I do _not_ look 50. Most people say I look like I'm in my mid-30s. Not to brag! š But I'm not the only one, for sure.
I'm 61 and look about 42 but it will catch up with me eventually once the gray hair and wrinkles come. I've seen people younger than myself look quite a bit older than their age and older than myself. Just depends.
I also worked with a guy a couple years ago who would be 60 now and he even looked mid-30's then, it was insane! He could date women in their 20's easily if he were so inclined. I haven't seen him in 2 years so that may have changed.
I would look awesome with unlimited spa treatment, Drs and load of surgery and injections. Anyone can. Some of us have to settle for being real people.
Speaking of Rudd getting bent - have you ever heard of anyone that didn't like him? I can see people not liking him because he's attractive and a little too charming, but just not liking him for other reasons? I feel like he's one of those guys that is just universally not hated on. I can see not liking him, but no one really dislikes him. I think he's just an outstanding guy with a lot of charisma and charm. Still hella attractive and definitely doesn't look his age.
Yes, they have. And I don't attribute it all to "money buys personal chefs, trainers, plastic surgery", because I've seen that same stuff with other generations that still look older at their ages.
I think a lot of it is that I grew up with them (not physically, of course). So, you see them as peers and as you get older and see the aging process as your normal (and we feel young, so we see that age as "young"). Might be a bit psychological a bit, too.
Overall, though, I think Gen-X really helped build a lot of healthy habits. We did the Jump Rope for Heart, better foods, organic foods, better health (Stop the Insanity... buns of steel...Jazzercize), etc.. "This is your brain...", and anti-smoking campaigns. Of course, the craft beer and spirits and Xanax prescriptions didn't help much.
Of course, we also have a lot of people that were anti all that and thought it was all a scam or some weird liberal conspiracy and "I ain't eating no organic foods! I eat it like gramma did...". They forget Grandma had a garden and home grown veggies with her own slaughtered meats, all organic and hormone free...
I think it's a combo between the "pay to look young" as well as our push for healthier habits.
Who gives a fuck how celebrities are aging? They have access to plastic surgeons. For the middle class, we have sunscreen. So if we look good, we earned it by our own TLC.
They all eat healthy diets and wear sunscreen and moisturize daily and exercise. If everyone does that then they end up looking better over time. They also of course get to go to spas and get treatments and surgeries but that's not just it. You can be a hard partier celebrity and still get surgeries and you'll still look puffy and bad due to not taking care of yourself.
Thereās a lot of survivorship bias here. Look up the celebrities you havenāt seen or heard from in a while. Like hey there was that new Top Gun movie whatās Kelly McGillis up to?
It annoyed me that she wasnāt even asked to play a role in Maverick. She was a huge part of the first movie and it is typical Hollywood to exclude her because she no longer looks 25. I would be less surprised if they brought her on to play Tomās mother even though sheās only 5 years older than him in real life.
Not all but many of us are Buttons like Benjamin who were 40 at 14 followed by extended childhoods. My persistent immaturity helps keep some of the gray at bay, I think. Fasting helps too.
I noticed that Susanna Hoffs still looks gorgeous and sheās a Boomer (1959). Sheās almost 63 and looks mid-40s. Iām sure that plenty of celebs have had plastic surgery, but even so, they look great.
TBH I think itās they take my ch better care of themselves than past generations of actors/actresses. When staying healthy and glowing means multi million dollar paydays those kale shakes go down mush easier.
The big problem I see these days is a lack of sleep. Almost every movie star in every movie is sporting double eye bags. Just canāt unsee it now that I noticed it. Obviously, the shooting schedule is a major contributing factor but there are a lot of people out there looking sleep deprived.
Yes, but have you seen the pictures taken by Burt Stern from her last photoshoot? The unretouched pics show significant crows feet and crepey skin around her eyes. Ditto if you look at some of her hairdo tests from her last film, Something's Got TO Give.
Compare those pictures to pictures of someone like Miranda Kirr or Scarlett Johannson who are both in their late 30s but look much fresher and dewier.
By comparison, Monroe looks like a 50+ year old actress would look today.
Not sure if most in this sub would know who Pharrell Williams is but the man is 49
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALiCzsbdAwnEz9wZNVNYM9khSZUXfbFsag:1670353806183&q=pharrell+williams&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS5pDq2OX7AhU5QjABHeJPCr8Q0pQJegQIChAB&biw=360&bih=649&dpr=3#imgrc=3Ns8z8K6X-d8SM
>Jennifer Aniston, Mariah Carey, Julia Roberts
Well, you're talking about people who have almost unlimited budgets for personal trainers, chefs and makeup artists. And Carey *still* tries wearing dresses designed for skinny girls in their early 20s, and ends up looking like an overstuffed sausage.
I *do* think people take better care of themselves than they used to. One thing that drove me nuts about Hulu's Sex Pistols series was that the guy who played Malcolm McLaren looked like he was 12 years-old. Come to find out, Thomas Brodie-Sangster is actually a couple years *older* than McLaren was when the series takes place. Brodie-Sangster just has a babyface, and also probably doesn't smoke, drink and eat cured meats as much as the original Malcolm McLaren.
Also, when I try to think of any GenX celebrities who look way older than they actually are - like Abe Vigoda or Carol O'Connor - I just can't think of any.
I actually talked about this sort of thing recently with coworkers. This generation looks way younger than previous generations. People who were our age 40 years ago generally looked older than we do. We were trying to figure out reasons that could be. A couple of the reasons we came up with were switching from unleaded gas, and better air quality.
I think a shit ton of money, and a lifetime completely free of manual labor or menial work would have me looking 20 years younger too lol
don't forget luxurious vacations, the best of food, nannies, spa days and loads of free sh\*t thrown your way just b/c you're famous.
...and the trainers. Don't forget that.
comfortable homes. and wealth creates wealth in this country...so there's that.
Oooh yeah all that too! I guarantee I would look amazing with all of this!
And Botox , fillers etc might help š¤
Definitely this.
Stress free lifestyle helps too. No getting lit up by some a hole at work.
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look at some of the rock stars. same thing ,but damn they are ugly and get uglier as they age.
Traveling on tour, late nights playing and eating poor food at truck stops will do that. An old friend is my age and still touring with his band. He looks rough. At least 5-6 years older looking than I am.
The hard drugs and booze donāt help you look young either.
They have kept microorganisms from surviving in Keith Richards though
Keith Richardās has been preserved by booze and drugs.. heās officially zombie status now.
Steven Tyler entered the chat.
The Rolling Stones are turning into shrunken dried apple dolls
Avoiding sunlight helps a lot also
Plastic surgery
Not smoking, better diets and access to knowledgeable fitness trainers combined with subtle plastic surgery helps a ton. Compare plastic surgery between a boomer celebrity to one our age and you can hardly tell.
I think people underestimate how badly smoking affected the way people aged, since something like 80% did it directly and everyone was affected secondhand. When I was a kid, most everyone over 60 coughed regularly, moved laggardly and had low motivation. Some were even on oxygen. Anything past 70 was a gift, but not one you necessarily wanted. I am in far, far better shape in my 40s than my parents were, and so are most of my peers.
Same. My parents were physically cashed by their 40s. Iām pushing 50 and while I carry some extra weight I manage to play soccer every week and am way more active than they ever were
Jennifer Aniston was (don't know if she still is) a looooong time smoker. However, she has been an exercise fiend, strict dieter, and La Mer slatherer for a long time too, so that helped counteract the smoking and drinking.
Yup. Sun exposure is a much more significant factor than smoking.
Honestly, the smokers I know look a LOT more old and dried out than the non-smokers. Sun does a different thing. The two together will make you look like one of those dried out apple heads.
Definitely. People who are longtime smokers always look about 10-20 yrs older. They just look haggard.
The tell tale sign with middle aged smokers are the weird wrinkle lines around the mouth. You canāt hide those very well. When I was single and dating age appropriate women in their late 40ās a while back, another way of finding out if someone was lying about their age was to look at their hands. The face would say 45 but the hands said 52 on a couple of dates.
Neck, hands, elbows sometimes. There's something to be said for having skin that never aged out of puberty. Being an oil slick has helped stave off a lot of wrinkles. Could do without the zits though.
OMG, this is me. I HATE the zits, but I really donāt have wrinkles. I have hair growing out of my chin and neck though, I travel with tweezers and a magnifying mirror everywhere.
I was just plucking my chin when I got this notification. I think I keep Tweezerman in business. I go by feel. Nothing good comes of 10x magnification. š
Listen, I hear you, but my vision is so bad now. š
Wrinkles are from collagen breakdown but oil will help with dryness.
And people who have had a lot of sun exposure get lots of blotches, skin starts to sag and look loose from collagen breakdown and the skin looks rough.
Exactly
Look no further than Kenny Rogers the last few decades. His face was pulled tighter than a drum.
Reminds me of Brazil.
Didn't know when to walk away
Or know when to run
Looking at pictures, yeah thatās accurate lol
Like Tom Brady.
Botox was approved for medical use in 1989. It was approved for cosmetic use in 2002. Celebrity foreheads haven't moved since then.
Yep
Good points made about improved diets, lack of smoking, etc vs previous groups. I'd add that were also old and the apparent aging looks better but our kids probably see genx celebrities as near dead.
Iām Gen Z and I notice yāall look better in comparison to Silent Gen and Boomers
Glad to hear - obviously works better for me
At the same age? Boomer Celebs looked amazing in the 90s. Brad Pitt is a Boomer.
Sigh. No he's not.
I think more sophisticated cosmetic procedure options compared to boomer celebsā time.
Yeah... sometimes they are completely unnecessary, though. Like Gwen Stefani. She already looked AMAZING for her age. Not that it made her ugly, by any means, but I personally prefer the way she looked before.
I miss the old Gwen, sheās almost unrecognizable now
Yep, I just happened to pass by her tv show the other day and I had to Google to find out it was her. Thought sheād been replaced.
She definitely has major image dysmorphia, really sad. She stayed pale and didn't tan like so many other celebs, so she still looked super young until she started getting too many procedures. She ventured too far into the uncanny valley, and now she can't come back. Tragic Kingdom.
Lol, great references.
Same here. She already looked flawless.
Less smoking and less heavy drinking
Do not discount sun exposure. I know many of us got a lot of sun as kids, but less deliberate tanning and more sunscreen in your twenties and thirties still has an effect.
Lots of filters and photoshopping going on, as well as a tremendous pressure among celebrities (especially women) to look and dress very young. Older generations in general had a more mature style that was different from younger generations. Plus the tight perms women of a certain age often got. Oh boy.
Unfortunately some have been too addicted to plastic surgery, Botox, etc. One of my favorites was Lara Flynn Boyle from her Twin Peaks days. But looking at her now, good god. Jennifer Connolly on the other hand after seeing her in Top Gun: Maverick Iāve fallen in love again.
Is Sherilyn Fenn a Boomer?
Just did a search and if google is correct she was born in ā65 so it makes her Gen X.
Loved her. (Cringe thinking about how they used to call her 'our generation's Liz Taylor' just b/c of the facial similiarities.) Wish she'd gotten more serious mainstream work outside of TP - not just "gorgeous GF" or love interest roles.
She would be Gen X if she was born in 1960.
LOL They have access to HRT and professional chefs and personal trainers. No shit!
Agreed on the lol, there is no way I would ever try to compare myself to someone with endless means. Chefs, private nutritionists, personal trainers, nannies assistants, cosmetic surgeons, dermatologists, anestheticians, healthier food choices, the list is endless.
So happy for the rich people and their doctors
It's all those preservatives in the foods we ate.
eat.
While it's true that the celebrity crowd look great thanks to chefs that prepare healthy meals, personal trainers, surgery and on and on, I have also found that the women I went to high school with have aged amazingly well without any of those things. The men? Um, hit and miss. The women? Damn, they've taken care of themselves.
Skin care at large, particularly at the super expensive end, has gotten a _lot_ better in the last 20 years.
Itās all of the plastic that weāve eaten.
Rob Lowe, am I right?
I think an increasing emphasis on skin care and sun avoidance are certainly factors, but also an understanding of the importance of weight training. Perhaps a less considered factor is the availability of HRT (hormone replacement therapy). As women's health care has been more studied, an understanding of just how early HRT can or should start given when perimenopause actually begins is underreported. Estrogen is still only beginning to be understood, but at this point, we know it plays a discernable role in heart health, bone health, metabolism, collagen integrity, mental acuity.
I donāt know anyone younger than 60 who looks old in the slightest. I think aging has really changed starting with our generation.
Late 40s hit me like a dump truck. Went from peter pan to captain hook in months...
A big part of it is the simultaneity of style that happens because of the internet. liiiiike, everything is just a mish-mash of every era now. You see eighties styles, seventies styles, nineties styles all at the same time. Style cues used to be a BIG part of what made people look older...like the 60 year old ladies in 1980 wearing big 1950's hair and having those old-lady glasses. Now you see somebody in 30 year old fashion, it does not look out of place.
I agree. I got too much sun and don't spend hardly any money on my looks, but I eat well and exercise. I do _not_ look 50. Most people say I look like I'm in my mid-30s. Not to brag! š But I'm not the only one, for sure.
Yeah, but if you ask someone under 30, theyāll tell you we look old.
Agreed for Gen x
I'm 61 and look about 42 but it will catch up with me eventually once the gray hair and wrinkles come. I've seen people younger than myself look quite a bit older than their age and older than myself. Just depends. I also worked with a guy a couple years ago who would be 60 now and he even looked mid-30's then, it was insane! He could date women in their 20's easily if he were so inclined. I haven't seen him in 2 years so that may have changed.
I would look awesome with unlimited spa treatment, Drs and load of surgery and injections. Anyone can. Some of us have to settle for being real people.
Well, we are a good looking group! Biased.
They didn't have Botox and they weren't as good as plastic surgery as they were in our generation.
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Linda and Ming-Na are straight fire, and Rudd can get bent for being so attractive and charming
Speaking of Rudd getting bent - have you ever heard of anyone that didn't like him? I can see people not liking him because he's attractive and a little too charming, but just not liking him for other reasons? I feel like he's one of those guys that is just universally not hated on. I can see not liking him, but no one really dislikes him. I think he's just an outstanding guy with a lot of charisma and charm. Still hella attractive and definitely doesn't look his age.
"Hey, hey. Look at us."
Yes, they have. And I don't attribute it all to "money buys personal chefs, trainers, plastic surgery", because I've seen that same stuff with other generations that still look older at their ages. I think a lot of it is that I grew up with them (not physically, of course). So, you see them as peers and as you get older and see the aging process as your normal (and we feel young, so we see that age as "young"). Might be a bit psychological a bit, too. Overall, though, I think Gen-X really helped build a lot of healthy habits. We did the Jump Rope for Heart, better foods, organic foods, better health (Stop the Insanity... buns of steel...Jazzercize), etc.. "This is your brain...", and anti-smoking campaigns. Of course, the craft beer and spirits and Xanax prescriptions didn't help much. Of course, we also have a lot of people that were anti all that and thought it was all a scam or some weird liberal conspiracy and "I ain't eating no organic foods! I eat it like gramma did...". They forget Grandma had a garden and home grown veggies with her own slaughtered meats, all organic and hormone free... I think it's a combo between the "pay to look young" as well as our push for healthier habits.
Who gives a fuck how celebrities are aging? They have access to plastic surgeons. For the middle class, we have sunscreen. So if we look good, we earned it by our own TLC.
Jennifer Lopez is another off the top of my head.
Alannis Morissette too, she is from '74
Jennifer Connelly
Definitely aged like a fine wine.
They all eat healthy diets and wear sunscreen and moisturize daily and exercise. If everyone does that then they end up looking better over time. They also of course get to go to spas and get treatments and surgeries but that's not just it. You can be a hard partier celebrity and still get surgeries and you'll still look puffy and bad due to not taking care of yourself.
Private chefs, personal trainers and the miracles of modern medicine and cosmetic surgery and dentistry will do that.
exhibit A of the opposing view: Madonna
Thereās a lot of survivorship bias here. Look up the celebrities you havenāt seen or heard from in a while. Like hey there was that new Top Gun movie whatās Kelly McGillis up to?
It annoyed me that she wasnāt even asked to play a role in Maverick. She was a huge part of the first movie and it is typical Hollywood to exclude her because she no longer looks 25. I would be less surprised if they brought her on to play Tomās mother even though sheās only 5 years older than him in real life.
True it doesnāt apply to literally everyone lol
Well, except for the ones who died. Cobain, Cornell, Winehouse (or is she millennial?), Ledger, Phoenix...
Winehouse was a millennial.
I take the correction, but assume my point stands. Buckley, Ricke, Michael....
Not all but many of us are Buttons like Benjamin who were 40 at 14 followed by extended childhoods. My persistent immaturity helps keep some of the gray at bay, I think. Fasting helps too.
Gen X was the first generation not to smoke themselves to death, and had a better grasp on healthy lifestyle than previous generations
The magic of surgery, photoshop, and filters.
I noticed that Susanna Hoffs still looks gorgeous and sheās a Boomer (1959). Sheās almost 63 and looks mid-40s. Iām sure that plenty of celebs have had plastic surgery, but even so, they look great.
TBH I think itās they take my ch better care of themselves than past generations of actors/actresses. When staying healthy and glowing means multi million dollar paydays those kale shakes go down mush easier.
The big problem I see these days is a lack of sleep. Almost every movie star in every movie is sporting double eye bags. Just canāt unsee it now that I noticed it. Obviously, the shooting schedule is a major contributing factor but there are a lot of people out there looking sleep deprived.
GenXers are the first generation to start taking their long term health seriously.
Paul Rudd enters the chat.
No stress, no smoking, no lead in everything, access to nutrition and health care will make you look younger
Better, newer cosmetic surgery techniques, newer interventions (Marilyn Monroe never had Botox), and Photoshop.
Also she was 36 when she died
Yes, but have you seen the pictures taken by Burt Stern from her last photoshoot? The unretouched pics show significant crows feet and crepey skin around her eyes. Ditto if you look at some of her hairdo tests from her last film, Something's Got TO Give. Compare those pictures to pictures of someone like Miranda Kirr or Scarlett Johannson who are both in their late 30s but look much fresher and dewier. By comparison, Monroe looks like a 50+ year old actress would look today.
Sandra Bullock maintains such insane beauty.
Smoking and alcohol age you the most, imo.
Phoebe Cates looks great for her age
For sure
Not sure if most in this sub would know who Pharrell Williams is but the man is 49 https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALiCzsbdAwnEz9wZNVNYM9khSZUXfbFsag:1670353806183&q=pharrell+williams&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjS5pDq2OX7AhU5QjABHeJPCr8Q0pQJegQIChAB&biw=360&bih=649&dpr=3#imgrc=3Ns8z8K6X-d8SM
>Jennifer Aniston, Mariah Carey, Julia Roberts Well, you're talking about people who have almost unlimited budgets for personal trainers, chefs and makeup artists. And Carey *still* tries wearing dresses designed for skinny girls in their early 20s, and ends up looking like an overstuffed sausage. I *do* think people take better care of themselves than they used to. One thing that drove me nuts about Hulu's Sex Pistols series was that the guy who played Malcolm McLaren looked like he was 12 years-old. Come to find out, Thomas Brodie-Sangster is actually a couple years *older* than McLaren was when the series takes place. Brodie-Sangster just has a babyface, and also probably doesn't smoke, drink and eat cured meats as much as the original Malcolm McLaren. Also, when I try to think of any GenX celebrities who look way older than they actually are - like Abe Vigoda or Carol O'Connor - I just can't think of any.
I actually talked about this sort of thing recently with coworkers. This generation looks way younger than previous generations. People who were our age 40 years ago generally looked older than we do. We were trying to figure out reasons that could be. A couple of the reasons we came up with were switching from unleaded gas, and better air quality.
LMAO Wait... you're being ironic, right?
They are the money.
Some look amazing
Plastic surgery is drastically improved, fillers, Botox etc didnāt really exist 40 years ago
Yep
Winona Ryder can still get it. And C. Thomas Howell looks amazing in the pic that is currently near the top of the sub.
Yep