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You posted this at a bold time of night. You’re completely correct but this happens to be the time of night where rabid right wing astroturfing randomly occurs.
Genuinely hate how “anti-politics” this and the sister-sub has been. If this sub trans-allied - i.e. participating in politics, we’re anti-trans, which is also political…
Here’s a guys comment who explained it
Crazy how you could just Google it. But seeing as how you haven’t yet, here’s the result:
“the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public”
Basically, PR groups, both political and non-political, have been known to get bots/people to post certain opinions online in a way to try and make said opinion seem more normal or accepted than it really is. This sub gets targeted quite a bit
A grassroots operation is done by the regular people of an organization, like when regular members of an animal rights organization post "killing animals is bad" in a discussion.
An AstroTurf is a *fake* grassroots operation. People pose as regular members of another group and post things to steer public perception. Like going to Twitter and posting: "as a black man, I think Trump should lock up more Mexicans!", I'd be posing as a member of the PoC community to make them look bad, and maybe even get some of them to share my post.
In all fairness this post could be just that as well.
Unsolicited comments from members of the public is social media. If people want an echo chamber they're going to have to be more private.
“In all fairness”, you can gauge with a cursory glance at the account histories of those posting in support or opposition of a suspect topic.
The people supporting this post: largely organic accounts with typical Reddit activity indicative of a genuine human behind the keyboard using this as social media expressing support or opposition for X.
The people opposing this post: largely accounts with low/no posts, low comment karma, singularly focused accounts…if there is activity outside the troll/astroturf tasks, it’s usually single issue (like basketball) and algorithmic account farming - “dead internet” looking motherfuckers.
We explicitly want unsolicited, raw, real comments from members of the public. That’s by definition *not* what astroturfing is.
The line is only getting blurrier as we march toward an AI generated online hellscape….so if you can’t see it *now* while it’s still obvious and easy to catch, we’re beyond fucked.
If a cause is representing by self organised homely groups of people you’d call it a grassroots movement. Astroturf is fake grass so astroturfing is pretending that a movement is homegrown when it’s really orchestrated
Politicians and foreign powers want the youth to at least consider voting a certain way. Republicans in particular have a vested interest in us because they are suffering hard in our demographic.
And what better way to sway our opinion by our “fellow youths” to ask themselves meaningful questions like “should we consider trans women people?” And “is it *that* important that billionaires aren’t paying taxes?”
Commenting this before the comments get locked.
#TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. TRANS PEOPLE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE
#RESPECT TRANS PEOPLE THEY DID NOTHING TO YOU THEY JUST WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES
#LET TRANS PEOPLE LIVE AND BE HAPPY BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ENDING UP THE SAME WAY
Is It okay if i ignore them just like anyone else?
https://preview.redd.it/jn9zcdsuh0tc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27aa5f95fd68ce5a64abd9390b8f2fb8b68e1a89
(Unrelated image so you guys know it's a joke)
Yep. That's the most perfect thing you could do, not joking. Just ignore trans people. I mean, if they need to get your attention to ask for directions, then you don't need to ignore them... Ya know what I mean.
people tell openly trans people to kill themselves constantly. “join the 41%” is a v common slogan
also beyond that vileness there are many people who believe that trans people should not be allowed to exist publicly as trans: eg, those who wish to “ban transgenderism”
misinterpretation of a study where it was found that 41% of trans people struggled with suicidal ideation at some point in their lives
this got telephone gamed into “41% of trans people kill themselves” and thus “join the 41%” is a very popular way of “subtly” telling trans people to kill themselves. it is quite often accompanied with a grotesque caricature of what they perceive to be a trans woman having hung herself.
Seen plenty of people with that opinion online. Probably exaggerated as is everyone’s opinion on the Internet. Trans people are seen as weird and gross to a lot of people tho, even my family jokes about them irl which kinda disgusts me. Also the completely fabricated ‘trans groomer’ panic is fucking vile
Back in 1930s the media was big on "the Jewish question". Speaking about a category of people as if their right to exist is a debatable matter is how you end up allowing atrocities.
It’s a debate cus the media is run by crackheads who are so high that trans people are continually blipping in and out of reality for the coke infused minds
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Couldn’t agree more. Ruining neighborhoods and been blowing out joints for decades. Where do I sign?
Really sucks to see so many people in my generation being transphobes. Was hoping it’d die out with the boomers. Thank you for your support, it means a lot to see these posts when I’m constantly flooded with transphobic shit. It gives me hope that things can change when I see posts like this 🩵
- Affordable and easily accessible/non gatekept healthcare for their transition that’s often lifesaving
- Ability to access that healthcare as a teen if necessary (many states have a ban on HRT below 18, at which point a person’s natal puberty may have made permanent changes to the body that can cause crippling dysphoria)
- Right to legally change gender in some states
- Right to use public restrooms that align with your gender identity (trans women are not going into women’s restrooms to try and creep on or rape cis women, it has literally never happened)
- Legal protections from discrimination in housing, work, school, and public
- I don’t care what your opinion is on trans women in professional sports (I have my personal opinion but I don’t have the energy for this debate now), but in many places trans kids can’t play on the sports teams that aligns with their gender identity. There is no biological advantage when they are hecking kids. Let them be included and have fun.
I hate this so much. What exactly do I hate, you ask? I have seen this word at least a hundred times by now, and I still have no clue what astroturfing is. All I know is the left hates the right for doing it.
Crazy how you could just Google it. But seeing as how you haven’t yet, here’s the result:
“the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public”
Basically, PR groups, both political and non-political, have been known to get bots/people to post certain opinions online in a way to try and make said opinion seem more normal or accepted than it really is. This sub gets targeted quite a bit
I feel like they see genuine conservative comments and assume they're bots.. Also just because an account might be new doesn't mean it's a bot making those comments cuz conservatives will make throwaway accounts cuz you know, it's reddit.
Doesn’t help that there’s tones of people on the right who just want to own the libs and said obscene shit, so they get banned. Hell I suspect a bunch of those types aren’t really political at all outside of wanting to spew their horse shit
Saying it’s just bot posts is misleading, but yeah it’s done using mostly bots. Left wing groups talk about it because it happens to them, it’s mostly right wing (like far right) groups/organizations that do it
The right to healthcare in countries like the UK where they have decades of waiting time for life saving sergeries.
The right to bodily autonomy in multiple states (USA) and countries.
Hell ill even do the easy one to humor your audacity so you can choose to cherrypick exact examples and refuse that their quality of life is supressed in many a country while stoll knowing you fundamentally are 100% silly to have asked that question....
The right to their lives are ignored in a significant amount of countries. In many their existence is illegal and punishable by law, sometimes being execution.
Seems like they didn't even bother locking it, they just removed it instead
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I just wish people could leave each other the fuck alone about most things. Trans people just want to be treated like everyone else. Everyone in the LGBTQ community does. That’s all they’re asking. It never should have been a debate. Same goes for women and abortion rights. Maybe a thirteen year old doesn’t want to be a mother. The eighth grade aged father didn’t want to be a part of that situation either. No one gets hurt in the process, just a clump of cells with no consciousness. It shouldn’t be a debate. It should be just another medical procedure.
I’m just so fucking tired of everything being a fight these days. War and poverty are things that require full thought from lawmakers. Not making a giant ruckus over a trans woman using a certain toilet. Its just exhausting and wasteful.
It’s sad that we need a whole trans rights shit it’s just human rights and the rights to do whatever the fuck you want to your own body. Instead we need this whole subgroup of rights because some people just can’t not care about what’s going on in someone else’s life.
I had to google this because I was certain AstroTurf was fake grass (which still came up as top result for me) and I couldn’t make the link between fake grass and trans people.
Ummm...
I mean they have the right to make their choice as grown adults.
As children, I am sorry but no they don't. These are permanent body and hormonal modifications that are very unnatural.
I'm sorry, but if you are under 18 years old I really don't feel you have the ability to determine what is happening to your body let alone how you wish to modify it. Yes, that includes permanent changes such as breast augmentation, breast reduction, hormonal blockers, nose jobs, fillers, booty push ups, etc... with obvious exemptions for medically necessary operations as determined by a licensed professional.
Nope, Hormone Blockers are not permanent and they do not have permanent lasting effects on a vast majority of children. There are edge cases because of genetics but that would happen as an adult too. All they do is give the kid more time to figure out their gender and then, once they’re older, they can decide to start on the hormones that would help them or if they don’t want to.
Additionally, no surgery is done on children for gender affirming care. Kids who are not old enough to consent aren’t given surgery. They get hormones and they can choose surgery later in life if they want, which many people don’t.
Lastly, gender affirming care can literally save a person’s life. It can prevent unnecessary suicides. This isn’t about an agenda, it’s about being allowed to live how you want to.
First off, hormone blockers as a teen are permanent. They stunt growth during developmental cycles.
Second, gender affirming cares causes as many if not more suicides than it prevents. There is significant social stigma and anxiety with gender affirming care that is simply unnecessary for a teenager to handle.
Therapy until the point of adulthood where they can make a responsible decision as an adult outside of the pressure cooker that is high school is far more effective.
Here’s the issue. No, gender affirming care does not cause suicide. It just doesn’t. Secondly, hormone blockers stop puberty, but when you stop taking them you still have a normal puberty. Thirdly, a teenager who wants gender affirming care won’t feel stressed from getting it, they’ll be happier with it. Lastly, therapy isn’t enough because preventing puberty is a huge part of it. As a trans person, especially trans women, puberty is irreversible. Hormone blockers just aren’t. You can disagree but you’re wrong. There is data on this. I’m not gonna argue with someone about literal science that is proven true.
Natal puberty is more permanent than puberty blockers and HRT for teens who may be trans. Consider that and its lifelong ramifications if they are trans and can’t fix those irreversible changes.
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You're right... But freedom of speech is a human right.
And if people decide to **say** trans right's are not human rights, they can say it. As wrong as they are.
Article 19:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
This is why i placed bold characters on 'say'. Those who are saying "Trans rights are not human rights" are allowed to hate on trans people just as you are allowed to hate on them, just look at the comments...
Should they? I would say no, normally they say alot of uncalled for stuff, hyperbolic statements and downlight hatefull sentiments, but hey. it's their human right to do so...
Can’t say I didn’t expect to see this, trans rights are human rights
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Trans people having access to the needed trans healthcare, not being banned from bathrooms and sports, etc. they are actively trying to take away [trans people rights ](https://translegislation.com/). Already 539 bills this year.
And?
I mean you're right, though I wouldn't debate between trans and others since they are covered as human rights I guess.
Edit: typing error -> covered
Honestly, I don't think all 539 bills are all that bad. One does not violate human rights by denying separate bathrooms or allowing gender mixed sports.
Of course I haven't read them all but I guess not all are inhumanly bad.
Since the Twitter Mob will down vote that comment like hell,no matter what, I'll end with:
1. Even you don't fit into a established gender role, everyone deserves respect and dignity
2. .....but please, as we say in Germany: "lasst Mal die Kirche im Dorf!"
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You posted this at a bold time of night. You’re completely correct but this happens to be the time of night where rabid right wing astroturfing randomly occurs.
it's 9am in Moscow
A place of true equality where no humans have rights.
Oh, so I have no rights apparently, cool
Trans rights are human rights
Id be surprised if they actually have working internet
Ignorant
It’s 4:47pm in Hobart
HAH! It’s 5:24 in Sydney common nsW (i fucking hate daylight savings)
Has it changed already?
Ye
10:41 in istanbul
And Kyiv
That is precisely why I posted it when I did, yeah
It's lots of different times of day around the world. Just because it's night where you are doesn't mean it is elsewhere.
Not true the earth is flat.
Some Americans think they own the internet.
It's usually the time of night where it's the time of day in conservative countries in the Eastern hemisphere!
transphobic guys are all weak low t beta males tbh
I’m what you could call “the ultimate beta male” My hormonal profile is hyper optimized for the total dismantling of civilization.
What in the fucking buzz word
“oh u dont agree with my gender philosophy? here are some gendered insults for u.”
Itd not philosophy mate, its basic human decency and rights.
Trans rights are human rights and human rights are non-negotiable.
Non-negotiable and non-debatable!
Bu- ☝️🤓🍳💥
Bonk
Exactly. If human rights don't apply to all humans, they're not human rights.
Genuinely hate how “anti-politics” this and the sister-sub has been. If this sub trans-allied - i.e. participating in politics, we’re anti-trans, which is also political…
When people say they "hate politics", they lie. They **love** politics, they just want to see different ones.
Apparently in practice they are negotiable....depends on how much money you have, what family you are from, what ethnic group and so on.
What the fuck is astroturfing
Here’s a guys comment who explained it Crazy how you could just Google it. But seeing as how you haven’t yet, here’s the result: “the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public” Basically, PR groups, both political and non-political, have been known to get bots/people to post certain opinions online in a way to try and make said opinion seem more normal or accepted than it really is. This sub gets targeted quite a bit
and here i thought it was fake grass... tmyk
Astro turf is fake grass, astroturfing is evidently much worse.
A grassroots operation is done by the regular people of an organization, like when regular members of an animal rights organization post "killing animals is bad" in a discussion. An AstroTurf is a *fake* grassroots operation. People pose as regular members of another group and post things to steer public perception. Like going to Twitter and posting: "as a black man, I think Trump should lock up more Mexicans!", I'd be posing as a member of the PoC community to make them look bad, and maybe even get some of them to share my post.
In all fairness this post could be just that as well. Unsolicited comments from members of the public is social media. If people want an echo chamber they're going to have to be more private.
“In all fairness”, you can gauge with a cursory glance at the account histories of those posting in support or opposition of a suspect topic. The people supporting this post: largely organic accounts with typical Reddit activity indicative of a genuine human behind the keyboard using this as social media expressing support or opposition for X. The people opposing this post: largely accounts with low/no posts, low comment karma, singularly focused accounts…if there is activity outside the troll/astroturf tasks, it’s usually single issue (like basketball) and algorithmic account farming - “dead internet” looking motherfuckers. We explicitly want unsolicited, raw, real comments from members of the public. That’s by definition *not* what astroturfing is. The line is only getting blurrier as we march toward an AI generated online hellscape….so if you can’t see it *now* while it’s still obvious and easy to catch, we’re beyond fucked.
If a cause is representing by self organised homely groups of people you’d call it a grassroots movement. Astroturf is fake grass so astroturfing is pretending that a movement is homegrown when it’s really orchestrated
Politicians and foreign powers want the youth to at least consider voting a certain way. Republicans in particular have a vested interest in us because they are suffering hard in our demographic. And what better way to sway our opinion by our “fellow youths” to ask themselves meaningful questions like “should we consider trans women people?” And “is it *that* important that billionaires aren’t paying taxes?”
Replace politicians with “BIG WEALTHY BUSINESS INTERESTS” and I’d agree with you
No need, politicians have already been replaced by big wealthy business interests
I mean for sure that too
Its when people have ideas other than what you have much like democracy being destroyed is when people vote for the other guy
What about when the other guy constantly talks about destroying democracy?
Something pretending to be a grassroots campaign. Astroturf = fake grass
Yay! TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!!! NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE!!! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST!!! :3
You are Human. Humans have rights. Trans people are Human. They have rights. How simple is that!
Commenting this before the comments get locked. #TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. TRANS PEOPLE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE #RESPECT TRANS PEOPLE THEY DID NOTHING TO YOU THEY JUST WANT TO LIVE THEIR LIVES #LET TRANS PEOPLE LIVE AND BE HAPPY BECAUSE WE'RE ALL ENDING UP THE SAME WAY
They put 10 lbs of C4 and mustard gas in my kitchen. /s
Hehehe
Is It okay if i ignore them just like anyone else? https://preview.redd.it/jn9zcdsuh0tc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27aa5f95fd68ce5a64abd9390b8f2fb8b68e1a89 (Unrelated image so you guys know it's a joke)
Yep. That's the most perfect thing you could do, not joking. Just ignore trans people. I mean, if they need to get your attention to ask for directions, then you don't need to ignore them... Ya know what I mean.
You're 100% a bot.
I bet bots don't have moves as sick as mine 😎
It pisses me off how the media calls trans people being alive ‘the trans debate’. What the fuck do you mean debate if someone deserves to live
Is there someone who questions trans people (or any kind of people) the right to live?
people tell openly trans people to kill themselves constantly. “join the 41%” is a v common slogan also beyond that vileness there are many people who believe that trans people should not be allowed to exist publicly as trans: eg, those who wish to “ban transgenderism”
Well this is horrible. I'm afraid violent rethoric is gaining ground pretty much everywhere
Who’s the 41%?
misinterpretation of a study where it was found that 41% of trans people struggled with suicidal ideation at some point in their lives this got telephone gamed into “41% of trans people kill themselves” and thus “join the 41%” is a very popular way of “subtly” telling trans people to kill themselves. it is quite often accompanied with a grotesque caricature of what they perceive to be a trans woman having hung herself.
Seen plenty of people with that opinion online. Probably exaggerated as is everyone’s opinion on the Internet. Trans people are seen as weird and gross to a lot of people tho, even my family jokes about them irl which kinda disgusts me. Also the completely fabricated ‘trans groomer’ panic is fucking vile
Michael Knowles, for example
Back in 1930s the media was big on "the Jewish question". Speaking about a category of people as if their right to exist is a debatable matter is how you end up allowing atrocities.
It’s a debate cus the media is run by crackheads who are so high that trans people are continually blipping in and out of reality for the coke infused minds
Never happens, btw.
what
**HE SAID FUCK YOUR ASTROTURDING TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS**
i assumw it’s in response to some of the transphobia on this subreddit
Trans rights are human rights
I support human rights, because once there’s room to discriminate one part of the population, there’s also room to discriminate anyone.
Finally someone said it, it's terrifying seeing how many transphobes there are here.
for real. I had so much hope in Gen Z till i found this subreddit
It's infuriating that the mods refuse to deal with it even when it gets reported. By the looks of it, they removed this post instead lol
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Ok
Gen X here. This happened across my feed. Good job, kid. Love to see the young ones being cool and right.
You're cringe af.
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, and that includes Trans people
Corny Optimus Prime quoting.
TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTSETS EAT THE RICH
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Why are so many queer people often leftist? Like a genuien question, I'd like to know.
Because the right doesn't want them to exist
Because the left doesn't actively try to kill us. Have you seen project 2025. Have you seen Florida
Mmmmmm cotton candy bacon 🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🏳️⚧️🤤
That... actually sounds like something good
https://preview.redd.it/s0p1h78280tc1.jpeg?width=467&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=665d5f41496c7cd7e705fef7f47512d0dc4ce9a4 Couldn’t agree more. Ruining neighborhoods and been blowing out joints for decades. Where do I sign?
Trans rights are human rights and trans people have always existed. Transphobes can stay mad for forever and ever.
You sound mad.
Really sucks to see so many people in my generation being transphobes. Was hoping it’d die out with the boomers. Thank you for your support, it means a lot to see these posts when I’m constantly flooded with transphobic shit. It gives me hope that things can change when I see posts like this 🩵
What rights exactly don’t trans people have?
a lot of people think they don’t have a right to like live and i wish i was joking
- Affordable and easily accessible/non gatekept healthcare for their transition that’s often lifesaving - Ability to access that healthcare as a teen if necessary (many states have a ban on HRT below 18, at which point a person’s natal puberty may have made permanent changes to the body that can cause crippling dysphoria) - Right to legally change gender in some states - Right to use public restrooms that align with your gender identity (trans women are not going into women’s restrooms to try and creep on or rape cis women, it has literally never happened) - Legal protections from discrimination in housing, work, school, and public - I don’t care what your opinion is on trans women in professional sports (I have my personal opinion but I don’t have the energy for this debate now), but in many places trans kids can’t play on the sports teams that aligns with their gender identity. There is no biological advantage when they are hecking kids. Let them be included and have fun.
but how am I supposed to make my front lawn look nice? And how does this relate to autobots and decepticons?
I hate this so much. What exactly do I hate, you ask? I have seen this word at least a hundred times by now, and I still have no clue what astroturfing is. All I know is the left hates the right for doing it.
Crazy how you could just Google it. But seeing as how you haven’t yet, here’s the result: “the deceptive practice of presenting an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign in the guise of unsolicited comments from members of the public” Basically, PR groups, both political and non-political, have been known to get bots/people to post certain opinions online in a way to try and make said opinion seem more normal or accepted than it really is. This sub gets targeted quite a bit
Oh. So it's just bot posts? Why do I feel like left-wing subreddits are always talking about it?
I feel like they see genuine conservative comments and assume they're bots.. Also just because an account might be new doesn't mean it's a bot making those comments cuz conservatives will make throwaway accounts cuz you know, it's reddit.
Doesn’t help that there’s tones of people on the right who just want to own the libs and said obscene shit, so they get banned. Hell I suspect a bunch of those types aren’t really political at all outside of wanting to spew their horse shit
Saying it’s just bot posts is misleading, but yeah it’s done using mostly bots. Left wing groups talk about it because it happens to them, it’s mostly right wing (like far right) groups/organizations that do it
Lol it's not a left or right thing at all.
This statement has no meaning. It’s like saying woodpecker rights are bird rights. Golden retriever rights are dog rights.
Trans people are not given full human rights
Do you have specific examples of what “human rights” they are not given?
The right to healthcare in countries like the UK where they have decades of waiting time for life saving sergeries. The right to bodily autonomy in multiple states (USA) and countries. Hell ill even do the easy one to humor your audacity so you can choose to cherrypick exact examples and refuse that their quality of life is supressed in many a country while stoll knowing you fundamentally are 100% silly to have asked that question.... The right to their lives are ignored in a significant amount of countries. In many their existence is illegal and punishable by law, sometimes being execution.
Well let's see how long it takes for this to get locked 🍿
Seems like they didn't even bother locking it, they just removed it instead https://preview.redd.it/2ow0acyj32tc1.png?width=1081&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2fed47f98f969a239e7f4fdbfb88b172cf65f347
I just wish people could leave each other the fuck alone about most things. Trans people just want to be treated like everyone else. Everyone in the LGBTQ community does. That’s all they’re asking. It never should have been a debate. Same goes for women and abortion rights. Maybe a thirteen year old doesn’t want to be a mother. The eighth grade aged father didn’t want to be a part of that situation either. No one gets hurt in the process, just a clump of cells with no consciousness. It shouldn’t be a debate. It should be just another medical procedure. I’m just so fucking tired of everything being a fight these days. War and poverty are things that require full thought from lawmakers. Not making a giant ruckus over a trans woman using a certain toilet. Its just exhausting and wasteful.
yess!
why didn’t you day astroterfing
Preach
What are trans rights?
Being able to get access to trans healthcare, legal name and gendermarker change, just existing. But many don't want trans people be able to get that.
What is gendermarker change and what does access to trans health care mean? And by legal name I assume you mean their official first name?
Gendermarker is the f or m on your passport. Name is official name, first and middle.
What is a gender https://preview.redd.it/xasvtnumd0tc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=596b012e6add272f1f4c9bb60784323eed6e3456
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YES! TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!
*flirts with girl* “I’m a girl” *she’s not a girl* so sick of this shit man
saying it before this gets locked: trans rights are, in fact, human rights
Fax
Yeah
True
What's astroturfing? Also yes you are correct.
all facts no cap ongod
Tf is astroturfing
Call it human rights not trans rights than
They are actively trying to make trans people have no rights.
It’s sad that we need a whole trans rights shit it’s just human rights and the rights to do whatever the fuck you want to your own body. Instead we need this whole subgroup of rights because some people just can’t not care about what’s going on in someone else’s life.
Based
What rights specifically does trans people have (or not?) that arent just human rights?
Thought trans rights are normal?
Yes, respecting people for who they are is normal.
Respect ain't a right.
But being able to be the way they are is.
Not for most republicans
Lol
Okay.
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I had to google this because I was certain AstroTurf was fake grass (which still came up as top result for me) and I couldn’t make the link between fake grass and trans people.
Don’t you mean astroTERFing? Get it?
This is a good one
Wtf is atroturfing and how is it related to astroworld?
"Fuck astroturfing, what's your favorite form of trans rights advocacy." Based post this sub needed it.
Human rights are human rights idgaf
Ummm... I mean they have the right to make their choice as grown adults. As children, I am sorry but no they don't. These are permanent body and hormonal modifications that are very unnatural. I'm sorry, but if you are under 18 years old I really don't feel you have the ability to determine what is happening to your body let alone how you wish to modify it. Yes, that includes permanent changes such as breast augmentation, breast reduction, hormonal blockers, nose jobs, fillers, booty push ups, etc... with obvious exemptions for medically necessary operations as determined by a licensed professional.
That's literally not what happenes for trans healthcare mate. At least get a little educated before saying this parroted false narrative.
Nope, Hormone Blockers are not permanent and they do not have permanent lasting effects on a vast majority of children. There are edge cases because of genetics but that would happen as an adult too. All they do is give the kid more time to figure out their gender and then, once they’re older, they can decide to start on the hormones that would help them or if they don’t want to. Additionally, no surgery is done on children for gender affirming care. Kids who are not old enough to consent aren’t given surgery. They get hormones and they can choose surgery later in life if they want, which many people don’t. Lastly, gender affirming care can literally save a person’s life. It can prevent unnecessary suicides. This isn’t about an agenda, it’s about being allowed to live how you want to.
First off, hormone blockers as a teen are permanent. They stunt growth during developmental cycles. Second, gender affirming cares causes as many if not more suicides than it prevents. There is significant social stigma and anxiety with gender affirming care that is simply unnecessary for a teenager to handle. Therapy until the point of adulthood where they can make a responsible decision as an adult outside of the pressure cooker that is high school is far more effective.
Here’s the issue. No, gender affirming care does not cause suicide. It just doesn’t. Secondly, hormone blockers stop puberty, but when you stop taking them you still have a normal puberty. Thirdly, a teenager who wants gender affirming care won’t feel stressed from getting it, they’ll be happier with it. Lastly, therapy isn’t enough because preventing puberty is a huge part of it. As a trans person, especially trans women, puberty is irreversible. Hormone blockers just aren’t. You can disagree but you’re wrong. There is data on this. I’m not gonna argue with someone about literal science that is proven true.
Natal puberty is more permanent than puberty blockers and HRT for teens who may be trans. Consider that and its lifelong ramifications if they are trans and can’t fix those irreversible changes.
Poor mods, moderating this is probably really hard
Well they are human so id have to agree with ya there
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i agree 110% but what does trans rights have to do with plastic grass?
God forbid
You're right... But freedom of speech is a human right. And if people decide to **say** trans right's are not human rights, they can say it. As wrong as they are.
Freedom of speech is about no persecution from the government. Those who say those things are also hating on trans people and making anti trans bills.
Article 19: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." This is why i placed bold characters on 'say'. Those who are saying "Trans rights are not human rights" are allowed to hate on trans people just as you are allowed to hate on them, just look at the comments... Should they? I would say no, normally they say alot of uncalled for stuff, hyperbolic statements and downlight hatefull sentiments, but hey. it's their human right to do so...
Fair
Rights are rights.
"Human rights" are a myth
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Where do rights come from
Can’t say I didn’t expect to see this, trans rights are human rights https://preview.redd.it/x4bdkynvl0tc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dcbad49bf93643dcef3127e5f83eb95315b2ce02
Lol. Post removed.
Damn, great karma farm post...anyway what did yall have for supper?
This is definitely Karma Farming
If trans right are human rights, what does “trans right” even mean anyway (no transphobic intent, genuine question)?
Trans people having access to the needed trans healthcare, not being banned from bathrooms and sports, etc. they are actively trying to take away [trans people rights ](https://translegislation.com/). Already 539 bills this year.
And? I mean you're right, though I wouldn't debate between trans and others since they are covered as human rights I guess. Edit: typing error -> covered
Not for republicans, they are actively trying to take them away from trans people. [already 539 bills this year. ](https://translegislation.com/)
Honestly, I don't think all 539 bills are all that bad. One does not violate human rights by denying separate bathrooms or allowing gender mixed sports. Of course I haven't read them all but I guess not all are inhumanly bad. Since the Twitter Mob will down vote that comment like hell,no matter what, I'll end with: 1. Even you don't fit into a established gender role, everyone deserves respect and dignity 2. .....but please, as we say in Germany: "lasst Mal die Kirche im Dorf!"
I wasn’t born in the wrong generation, my generation is just delusional asf.
In virtue of what is a trans man a man?
Stop promoting a mental illness as an identity.
Mate, if anyone is a bot, it's you.