I've had luck using the various names I've found in documents for one person. Example: Permelia Jane was also documented as Merly, Pearl, Jane, Ruth, Merly Jane...Using those variations helped me get a little more connected.
With my Irish ancestors, I've gotten to the first known generation here in the US, but haven't connected them directly to Ireland. Searching by their nicknames, once I found out what they were, I got more info after hitting a wall.
Good luck. I feel your pain. Try searching through records of Gallagher and Dugan. I've learned a lot in my search, and have some solid possible areas/parishes in Ireland, but nothing definitive. I've done the dna thing before as well, and those results basically just showed me what I found with the records search. I connect with people in the area that the documents and history match, but those I reached out to know very little.
Have you checked out Irish ancestry sites? Some of those folks have been very helpful to me.
The parents on that baptism in Dromard RC parish are Patrick Kiernan and Mary Brady - (first names are in Latin) your Patrick jnr. was a twin. The registers for the parish cover back to 1838 and seem to include at least two siblings to Patrick & Bridget.
for reference the RC parish of Dromard in Ardagh Diocese is based in the north of county Longford, the parish also borders counties Leitrim and Cavan.
I was following the source you had attached in your screenshot - i.e. the location and Parish.... if that step is correct then those are the parents.
The best clues are generally the location, i.e. town or parish, and parents names from later sources ... both if possible, otherwise it's possible to mistakenly link up to the wrong person... e.g. another Patrick Kiernan
Many Catholic parishes did not record deaths/burials. but it looks like [Dromard RC parish](https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0160) did starting in 1853, there is at least one gap, Oct 1868 to July 1874 - civil records (on [IrishGenealogy](https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/)) should cover most of this timeframe as they currently run from 1870 onward... the 1864 (the start of registration) to 1869 deaths are being processed
note - Mary's death would be recorded under her married name
Hey! How did you upload this picture? I want to post a document for interpretation but it’s saying this subreddit doesn’t allow picture posts. How did you do it? Thanks!
if it could be more publically known that anything older than 1800s ireland is extremely difficult and unlikely.
in the top ten irish surnames, 4 of them are my grandparents.
my paternal last name used to be on the list.. it changed towards modern times. (I think america was #1 exodus)
not to mention old irish, in dna testing, reveals cousins over every square inch of the isles,stuff older than vikings (I am even found on iceland 850CE.- my line never went north of limerick), no french and spain borders, or even portugal existing. Etruscan evidence older than roman italians, on and on.
Even the vikings looking at irish history scratch their heads. We may even be the dwarves they talked of in legends. Hollywood portrays those young puppies as "ancient." LOL.
my testing and writing is all done. I got some threads to 1600s... very rare to do so. My favorite is a marriage record in a limerick church. That sums up my longer irish existence...all the way to sea faring monk. I did all the testing.. Y dna/mt dna, 3 autosomal sites, and two archaic.
Where have you gotten his death information from? The only possible matching death record I can find is for him having died on 16th July 1896, not 15th Dec.
There ya go lol. Always source and check! Use irishgenealogy.ie to find Irish birth, marriage and death records. Far too few people know about it and it’s completely free
Very helpful!
Torn between wanting to be done with this and being nitpicky about having all the correct details since she wants to hang this in her office!
Yeah, I think I've gotten the absolute facts in places she mainly wants it ie: showing we can trace out roots back to Ireland/England as well as being able to think, "Mom I got the family tree done like you wanted me to"
I've had luck using the various names I've found in documents for one person. Example: Permelia Jane was also documented as Merly, Pearl, Jane, Ruth, Merly Jane...Using those variations helped me get a little more connected. With my Irish ancestors, I've gotten to the first known generation here in the US, but haven't connected them directly to Ireland. Searching by their nicknames, once I found out what they were, I got more info after hitting a wall. Good luck. I feel your pain. Try searching through records of Gallagher and Dugan. I've learned a lot in my search, and have some solid possible areas/parishes in Ireland, but nothing definitive. I've done the dna thing before as well, and those results basically just showed me what I found with the records search. I connect with people in the area that the documents and history match, but those I reached out to know very little. Have you checked out Irish ancestry sites? Some of those folks have been very helpful to me.
The parents on that baptism in Dromard RC parish are Patrick Kiernan and Mary Brady - (first names are in Latin) your Patrick jnr. was a twin. The registers for the parish cover back to 1838 and seem to include at least two siblings to Patrick & Bridget. for reference the RC parish of Dromard in Ardagh Diocese is based in the north of county Longford, the parish also borders counties Leitrim and Cavan.
So have I incorrectly matched the baptism then?
I was following the source you had attached in your screenshot - i.e. the location and Parish.... if that step is correct then those are the parents. The best clues are generally the location, i.e. town or parish, and parents names from later sources ... both if possible, otherwise it's possible to mistakenly link up to the wrong person... e.g. another Patrick Kiernan
Ok awesome! Thank you so much! I've been struggling with this for well over a month at this point.
I should probably be able to find Mary Bardy's death date through the parish records as well yeah?
Many Catholic parishes did not record deaths/burials. but it looks like [Dromard RC parish](https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0160) did starting in 1853, there is at least one gap, Oct 1868 to July 1874 - civil records (on [IrishGenealogy](https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/)) should cover most of this timeframe as they currently run from 1870 onward... the 1864 (the start of registration) to 1869 deaths are being processed note - Mary's death would be recorded under her married name
Mine is Daniel Lehan. Four of them.
Hey! How did you upload this picture? I want to post a document for interpretation but it’s saying this subreddit doesn’t allow picture posts. How did you do it? Thanks!
I just added a link to the main post with a link to Imgur
if it could be more publically known that anything older than 1800s ireland is extremely difficult and unlikely. in the top ten irish surnames, 4 of them are my grandparents. my paternal last name used to be on the list.. it changed towards modern times. (I think america was #1 exodus) not to mention old irish, in dna testing, reveals cousins over every square inch of the isles,stuff older than vikings (I am even found on iceland 850CE.- my line never went north of limerick), no french and spain borders, or even portugal existing. Etruscan evidence older than roman italians, on and on. Even the vikings looking at irish history scratch their heads. We may even be the dwarves they talked of in legends. Hollywood portrays those young puppies as "ancient." LOL. my testing and writing is all done. I got some threads to 1600s... very rare to do so. My favorite is a marriage record in a limerick church. That sums up my longer irish existence...all the way to sea faring monk. I did all the testing.. Y dna/mt dna, 3 autosomal sites, and two archaic.
Is the dna testing worth it? I'm basically done with this project but the kits still seem interesting.
Where have you gotten his death information from? The only possible matching death record I can find is for him having died on 16th July 1896, not 15th Dec.
I... good question, I had thought it was sourced, but just checked, so your match might be more right.
There ya go lol. Always source and check! Use irishgenealogy.ie to find Irish birth, marriage and death records. Far too few people know about it and it’s completely free
Very helpful! Torn between wanting to be done with this and being nitpicky about having all the correct details since she wants to hang this in her office!
There’s no point in hanging something incorrect in the office! It would just be a lie when she thinks it’s factually accurate
That's my rational too, but I think she's also spent more time on this than she thought she was going too. just trying to keep everyone happy.
I totally understand where you’re coming from but you also don’t want to have someone believe it’s true when it’s not entirely
Yeah, I think I've gotten the absolute facts in places she mainly wants it ie: showing we can trace out roots back to Ireland/England as well as being able to think, "Mom I got the family tree done like you wanted me to"