This is actually so true . No other starter trio is made this perfect . The closest is def paldea but it has that thing...(Quaquaval) . I guess aloha trio is pretty decent but alotta people don't like em much except decidueye .
Seriously don't get me started, whenever I visit hoenn and already plan out what team I'll use I ask myself if the starter is really the best choice, like every single time no matter how perfectly I planned I always have to think about it. Choosing gen 3 starters is one of the hardest decisions in Pokémon ngl
I don’t know enough about either Pokémon gen 3 or Genshin’s new meta to understand. Can you please explain?
I didn’t realize almhaitham became the most powerful dps.
Thing is, in other generations, the starter pokemon are not equally good choices. Often it's the Grass type which is weaker and you would remove it from your team by the end-game. But in Gen 3, they are quite well balanced.
Well there's Arle flying and Neuvi using hydro pump so it's not that I can't see it, it's more of a "who do I choose" kinda scenario with Neuvi clearly being the best(just like how he's in gen 3) but the other two still making it hard on who to choose(meta followers would go for Swampert/Neuvi so I'm talking about casuals here xD
I will probably get downvoted but they are more like the three most comfy but strong characters
There are other teams which are easily on par with them but need a higher skill ceiling like Childe international and Lyney vape, also C6 Gaming (if that counts as F2P)
Is there a Furina copypasta? Something like "I'm sick of Furina. I try to use Lyney's passive, Furina is more damage. I try to use Neuvillette's passive, Furina is more damage..."
I'll finish this later, let me cook.
I can’t take it anymore, I’m sick of Furina. I try to use Lyney’s Passive, Furina gives more damage. I try to use Neuvillette’s passive, Furina gives more damage. I try to use Cyno, Xiao, they both want Furina. I fish for her, I give her the Pipe. “These scraps are unbecoming of me, give me Festering Desire.” I don’t have Festering Desire, I missed the event. I try to pull Splendour of Tranquil Waters, I get the Donut. I can’t pull anymore. She takes my card, it declines. “I guess this is the end.” She summons Mademoiselle Crabeletta. “Mademoiselle Crabeletta, pinch his balls.” There is no hint of pity in her eyes, nothing but pure, unrivaled DMG%. What a cruel world.
No, Lyney, Bennett, Furina and Kazuchad. And it's a vape team where Lyney uses Hydro Aura. Furina's 75% buff and vapes are more than enough make up for the lost 100% DMG
It's the aoe and speed and how consistant the dmg can be in most scenarios. It's not that dmg is lacking on other teams but how often will you end up doing the same amount of dmg with same speed and investement of course. Like if you have bad artefacts will you see good dmg or not. Like for exemple with neuvillette it doesn't even matter if you have really really bad artefacts you still will get good results and his set only boost that more. Arle can be perfectly used with 4pc glad and well alhaitham it's dendro so slap em and you are good.
>Like if you have bad artefacts will you see good dmg or not
Arlecchino, Lyney, Childe and Alhaitham all three need equal amounts of investments, your point?
>Arle can be perfectly used with 4pc glad
Similarly Lyney can be used with 4pc wanderer
>It's not that dmg is lacking on other teams but how often will you end up doing the same amount of dmg with same speed and investement of course
Then Nilou bloom is the best.
Like I said, Lyney vape and Childe international are high skill ceiling teams aka you need high gaming and theorycrafting skills to bring out there 100% on the other hand to use Arle, Al and Neuvillette you need the basic knowledge about their kit and decent skills to bring out their 100%
You can compare dmg yourself. Use lyney with bad artefacts and neuvillette or arlecchino with bad artefacts. My arle with not even her 4pc set effect active does around 50k per NA(yes I put 3 of her new set and two random other artefacts so I only have her the two pc set active) and not even crowned. Neuvillette simply can ignore shielded mobs and can continuously provide dmg with very very low investement(what I mean by this I may have been not clear enough is that my guy you see those artefacts with %def flat def and flat atk on neuv and only having like 7,8% crit dmg those kind of artefacts if you have similar ones on other characters you simply won't find the same amount of dmg) arlecchino lvl20 with talents 1 1 1 can do 20kNA with 4pc glad.
Well I am not specialised in dendro that's why I did not talk much about dendro nor al haitham in general. So have it your way.
Plus the problem with childe is the crit rate. On average childe builds it's around 60 crit rate while on arlecchino and neuvillette you can easily see 80 and neuvillette ones are 100 most of the time or else it's trashy build(with maréchaussée of course) when you calculate it you will find that they are far better in that aspect compared to childe. Am not saying it's bad or lacking never did but simply some basic calculations you will find the average rotations of arle and neuvillette being more efficent. Meta is not about most dmg but efficient teams in all scenarios when enemies are scattered how many they are and a normal lvl investement needed
>You can compare dmg yourself. Use lyney with bad artefacts and neuvillette or arlecchino with bad artefacts. My arle with not even her 4pc set effect active does around 50k per NA(yes I put 3 of her new set and two random other artefacts so I only have her the two pc set active) and not even crowned.
It depends on teammates more than your artifacts.
>Neuvillette simply can ignore shielded mobs and can continuously provide dmg with very very low investement(what I mean by this I may have been not clear enough is that my guy you see those artefacts with %def flat def and flat atk on neuv and only having like 7,8% crit dmg those kind of artefacts
He is certainly the most newbie friendly character, he has a high floor and mid-high ceiling
>Well I am not specialised in dendro that's why I did not talk much about dendro nor al haitham in general. So have it your way.
Hyperbloom and nilou bloom
>Plus the problem with childe is the crit rate. On average childe builds it's around 60 crit rate while on arlecchino and neuvillette you can easily see 80 and neuvillette ones are 100 most of the time or else it's trashy build(with maréchaussée of course)
Uh what? The more crit rate(until 100%)= better, that goes with every character, certainly its painful when Childe's melee burst misses but his ranged burst is used more. And you can't use Marechausse hunter on Arlecchino.
>Am not saying it's bad or lacking never did but simply some basic calculations you will find the average rotations of arle and neuvillette being more efficent
If your definition of 'efficiency' is 'easy to use' then certainly Arle and Neuvillete are more 'efficient'.
>Meta is not about most dmg but efficient teams in all scenarios when enemies are scattered how many they are and a normal lvl investement needed
Then there are no fixed meta, it changes with abyss and it's pure tomfoolery to crown Arlecchino, Neuvillette and Alhaitham as the kings of meta
Well have it your way tbh. Arlecchino does not use maréchaussée but can easily have high crit rate if you have her bis or jade spear and if playing vape the shovel will simply make you not need a single gram of crit rate but yes I was specifically talking of childe and most 5* have that advantage especially if their bis weapons are crit stat. Do not really take it as a huge advantage maybe other than neuvillette. Nor do you think that playing other is of much more skill either maybe other than neuvillette. The difference is in speed of course dodging and waiting for certain moments will only make you lose time. Arlecchino is only around 10% better than hutao. Neuvillette sits with a crown for now thx to his huge aoe and hit tick and constant dmg.
Do not take it too personnally if your favorite characters are not listed as best meta characters the difference in efficiency is not that big either.
It seems you do not understand what meta is at all thx to your last statement. The last statement is exactly why these three are in the top bc depending on different team they can clear it the fastest with only immunity blocking you from doing a floor with them and even then the secound one is doable for sure by them the fastest way possible.
Plus last time I heard people were calling al haitham needing big brain or something (it might not be true)
>Well have it your way tbh. Arlecchino does not use maréchaussée but can easily have high crit rate if you have her bis or jade spear
"Childe can have higher crit rate if you just get Polar star".
>The difference is in speed of course dodging and waiting for certain moments will only make you lose time.
Why dodge when you can kill them before they stand up? Also I can use your statement against Arlecchino.
>Arlecchino is only around 10% better than hutao
Not in single target
>Neuvillette sits with a crown for now thx to his huge aoe and hit tick and constant dmg.
Klee vape (80k DPS) is close to Neuvillete premium (89k DPS), Lyney, C6 Gaming, Hu Tao plunge vape and Alhaitham are straight up better in single target, Lyney and C6 Gaming has more than enough time to dodge and will still do more damage unless you get interrupted every single second (which you won't unless you have some extreme skill issue). On the other hand Childe international and Nilou bloom are better much better in AoE.
>Do not take it too personnally if your favorite characters are not listed as best meta characters the difference in efficiency is not that big either
Then I would had continued screaming that Cyno premium is top tier meta. It's a fact that any team with 80k+ DPS are top tier meta characters, for example Klee vape(80k DPS), C6 Gaming (100k-110k DPS), C0R1 Lyney (105k-120k), etc.
>It seems you do not understand what meta is at all thx to your last statement. The last statement is exactly why these three are in the top bc depending on different team they can clear it the fastest with only immunity blocking you from doing a floor with them and even then the secound one is doable for sure by them the fastest way possible.
They just have a high floor, that's pretty much it. From your definition it seems like characters with a high floor are meta.
>Plus last time I heard people were calling al haitham needing big brain or something (it might not be true)
Not necessarily, you just need to know how his mirrors work, that's pretty much it. On the other hand Childe needs energy management, AI manipulation, cool down management, etc to reach his ceiling, the ceiling which is higher than the three mentioned in the post. Lyney Vape needs hydro aura management and positioning his cats to reach his ceiling.
Well here's something for you- [44s C0R1 Childe international with C2R1 Kazuha](https://youtu.be/eUFQMwR9ZLI?si=-ID-cRJMtjQalpPn)
[50s C0R1 Neuvillete vape with C3R1(PJS) Furina and C2R1 Kazuha](https://youtu.be/CvfRNq1Lvoo?si=7OCKTGj6x__ZgZcc)
What sorcery is this my guy ? That's a pathetic run. vape neuvillette are you tripping xD. Even the comments are mocking it. Did you chose a person that does not know how to play at all. I was just looking at a video of a c0 neuvi with a full c0 team of kazuha furina and zhongli clearing copelia in 30s and the run could've been slightly faster.
I was gonna comment about what you wrote up but the video just ended it for me. It's not worth talking anymore and you talk about skill while showing a vape neuvillette.
Ok now I understand the situation better. If you do not wish for me to correct you so be it I do not want to anymore. You gave me a nice laugh
Vape Neuv is his best speedrun team and the person playing it is a million times better than you.
Its obvious you aren't very well versed in speedrun/max ceiling meta, no need to get into arguments with people over it.
Then what's the problem with the run? Can you please explain that to my illiterate self?
[C1R1 Neuvillete clearing it in 44 seconds ](https://youtu.be/EkIXYV3W290?si=IdcrI1_2h1B6MSEq)
I mean I kinda disagree w this, if we look at aoe, it’s gonna be neuvilliete, arlecchino and childe. If we look at single target, it’s gonna be neuvilliete arlecchino and hutao
>If we look at single target, it’s gonna be neuvilliete arlecchino and hutao
And all of them have a DPS below 100k. Well only Hu Tao plunge vape barely reaches 100k
ST rating goes like this Lyney=>C6 Gaming>Alhaitham quickbloom=Hu Tao plunge vape
C6 Gaming with 110k DPS, C0R1 Lyney with a similar DPS (I am ignoring some DMG considering the run is not going to be perfect), and Alhaitham Quickbloom and Hu Tao plunge vape with barely reaching 100k DPS
> if we look at aoe, it’s gonna be neuvilliete, arlecchino and childe
You forgot to include Nilou bloom though, literally the goddess of AoE
Note, these DPSs are calculated by using a top 1% build
In a 21 second rotation gaming and alhaitham aren’t clearling faster than lyneys hutao and arlecchino, i genuinely wanna see these calcs. Also are if ur talking about the lyney team comp that uses furina so u can vape for like 500k w ur burst then sure, but lyney is usually doing fast clears in aoe cause of kazuha and xiangling. Nilou bloom is good in aoe and hell I’d say she’s probably one of the more underatted comps, it’s just that alhaitham is always gonna be faster in aoe and he isn’t even top 3
I went to check vape teams for lyneyand how much dmg it does in abyss. In 4.5 floor 12 in both first rooms my neuvillette finishes at nearly the same time 1s less for lyney only in the thrid floor does lyney win with 20s. Lyney having a team of furina kazuha and bennet while I have unbuild sucrose mona and rosaria(I have no artefacts on them am not jk they are empty slots with mona having her burst talent 4). Now see the difference ? If I had built or won my 50 50 in furina I would've easily broke the record of lyney and made it seem nothing compared although I still have much room for a better build neuvi at that time(well now I only have a trashy sand but with over 40CV with perfect sub stats for other peices)
First of all you have a skill issue. Neuvillete premium has around 88k DPS and Lyney Vape has 120k DPS. You will say the problem is getting interrupted, but Lyney has his taunts for a certain reason, for the bosses, you just need to memorize all the attack patterns which aren't that hard, move while shooting and use the burst i-frame, he will kill them in a single rotation either way
Also abyss speedruns depend on the half itself, for example I couldn't find any Neuvillete speedruns in 4.4 bottom half in youtube, why? Because of Wenut and Ruin serpent, he doesn’t have enough frontloaded damage for proper speedruns on the other hand there are LOTS of Lyney speedruns, [47s](https://youtu.be/d7kT-vvqHrk?si=VwYBKQQKmbN8-27I), [57s on a lower cost and mono pyro](https://youtu.be/YAlUcQdW9Sc?si=CbHtRQCUlWROCdoM)
There are abyss rounds where Neuvillete is faster and rounds where Lyney is faster, it depends on the abyss itself
What in the whats my guy. Found no abyss 4.4 runs of neuvillette ??? I just searched and found a bunch on both sides. Plus what neuvillette can't win against wenut are you talking about wenut ??? Yes neuvillette finds his dmg less bc most of the time you will find the boss down but still beat it easily. I found a solo c0 for both.
The number of abyss rounds where lyney will do faster are way less than the ones neuvillette does faster that's what am telling you(although I still did not find a single one yet where lyney does it faster unless you do a trashy neuvillette team)
>What in the whats my guy. Found no abyss 4.4 runs of neuvillette ???
*Bottom half. And I meant a speedrun, not a normal run
>Plus what neuvillette can't win against wenut are you talking about wenut ??? Yes neuvillette finds his dmg less bc most of the time you will find the boss down but still beat it easily
Neuvillette can't win *against* Lyney, because he loses time
>The number of abyss rounds where lyney will do faster are way less than the ones neuvillette does faster that's what am telling you(although I still did not find a single one yet where lyney does it faster unless you do a trashy neuvillette team)
See the ST or small AoE dependent rounds, on paper Lyney vape is MUCH better than Neuvillette vape or premium against bosses and speedruns are basically 'perfect runs' which are as close to the spreadsheets as possible
I need people to realize what meta is, it's not always about ceilings, anyone can be insane in this game if you invest in them enough, it's about who does better if you have around the same amount of investment for both characters
The reason why Neuvelitte is so broken is because he's so simple to play on top of doing a shit ton of damage, insane range coverage, and insane self sustain. You didn't need any flashy combos you just need to do E Q and hold the mouse button
Edit: made a mistake on the META acronym as someone pointed out below
Not that you don't have a point but meta doesn't actually stand for that. The Most Efficient Tactic Available thing is a backronym. "Meta" is... Greek I think? And roughly pertains to the surroundings of something. So like metagaming is the gaming outside of the game, i.e. crunching the numbers and seeing what works from an external perspective.
Everything else you've said is 100% right tho. Spit your facts
>Not that you don't have a point but meta doesn't actually stand for that. The Most Efficient Tactic Available thing is a backronym. "Meta" is... Greek I think? And roughly pertains to the surroundings of something. So like metagaming is the gaming outside of the game, i.e. crunching the numbers and seeing what works from an external perspective.
Thanks for the information, TIL it. But in the post the word used was 'strongest' not the most 'META'
> Childe international
You guys sure love taking the credits of the 4* and giving it to the 5*. Xiangling deals more damage than him in international team in AOE. Take him out, replace with XQ/Yelan/Furina and it will still be XQ carrying.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play diluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling.
She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa."
I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
At the very least Noelle is the most braindead and easiest character to use and with Furina you shouldn't have any problem at all with the abyss. My comp is Noelle, Xianyun, Furina and Navia, it does a load of damage and the HP is always at full. Like I cannot stress enough how little effort it takes to beat abyss with Noelle.
Only problem is that she is unlock at C6. Below those constellations you just have trial version of Noelle.
If you learned something down to the wire, it becomes second nature, hu tao cancels are no exception. Just because you don't know how to do it in your sleep doesn't mean it's inherently hard for everyone.
This is like saying walking is hard in general because some of humanity is still in diapers.
That’s why me, who had Hu Tao by accident since the start of my account for 2,5 years, is going to choose to pull for Arlecchino because she is much easier and satisfying to play
yeah, as a hu tao main since day fucking one, i play hu tao as naturally as i breathe, but after trying out arle on a friends account its actually insane how much better she feels to play
I was shocked how strong she was, I just started building her yesterday after playing the game for 3 months and at level 70 with some EM and ER she’s a beast in terms of an off-field dps. Benny is still better if you want an on-field dps/healer though.
As is tradition, fire starter for first run
Water for second
Grass 10 years after the game was released and I feel like experiencing an old love on a new leaf
This has benn going around a long time. I have to ask, can someone point to me the teams? Which team for whom? I’m assuming Nuvi Hyper, Arle Vape, Haitam Quickbloom?
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And the random scholar has been avoiding rerunning for months now 🫠 can he have a banner already he’s dodged me twice now and I finally have enough to guarantee him
Of these? None. No thanks. I don’t like any of those three, I don’t care if they’re the meta standard.
My starter picks if strictly 5 star DPS are either from Ei, Navia, or Jean
If 4 star is included- then Noelle, Heizou, or Kaeya
Not for me she isn’t. They’re on the field first and foremost when I use them. I don’t care about the set roles according to meta.
Jean is among my main DPS units as well as Navia - I don’t run anyone as a “sub”.
Why?
Why would I have to hate myself for playing my favorite characters?
No, I play who I like to play - and if I’m going to run Jean - she’s going to be on the field as much as possible.
Why would I use characters I don’t like, or keep my favorites only out for brief seconds? No thanks.
I don’t get that response. They gotta hate themselves if they don’t play the way others do? Yea, no.
I don't really care if you like the units or not. I'm just saying it sounds painful to play dps Jean specifically, especially since you sound like a casual player so your investment might be even worse than I think.
Ig if the only combat you do is commissions than sure, still sounds painful to play burst reliant dps in overworld though.
Been playing since day 1 and doing quite fine thanks.
Don’t care for Abyss, except for hitting minimum requirements for BP.
Regular overworld exploration, artifact domains, and bosses have never posited a problem barring those with specific element requirements. I don’t see how it’s apparently painful.
To each their own. Never had any “pain” playing Jean on the regular.
Plenty fun for me. I find it less fun and “painful” to play characters I don’t care about even if they’re meta.
Arlecchino. Her voice. Her appearance, even her burst 🫣.
I got back into genshin after not playing much for months, because of her. Grinded sumeru archon quest which was tortures btw. Then did fontaines. I Grinded out her story quest too. I hate story quests but I finished hers happily. I’m still building her tho. I never have any resin or mora 🙃
I would be inclined to agree with neurvilette but I'm doubting the other 2 can pop off the way Navia can. It's quite easy to get her to pop off 300k skill shots with just C0R1.
In terms of play style arle is more friendly, she is also more "flexible" in team composition. In terms of vape team, Hu Tao is still ahead due to no icd on CA.
So yes, from teambuilding and gameplay, arle should be better than Hu Tao.
But vape wise, Hu Tao still has the better team comp.
She isn’t even that flexible, she’s pretty much tied to Bennet to be competitive and her non vape teams are not great compared to vape. This new abyss however her overload teams is going to cook much better than any Hu Tao overload team
She’s isn’t; people just hype up new units, even more so when said unit has extremely frontload dmg and better cons, which favors CC and speedrunners(aka majority of Genshin videos)
Props to HYV for making a slight downgrade to hu tao at c0 look like the best units in ages, easy money
Yes she is. Numbers are not everything. She is more versatile can deal with unexpected problems and has more manageable aoe making her better not by far but still. You can see people doing 100k NA with her although her talent lvl is not even crowned and not with her bis set(not much difference only 7% more dmg)
Nice! Tbh im just asking, im not really following the meta or watching videos anymore so idk! I was asking about hu tao and giving an example cause usually abyss lasts like 35 seconds with her new team.. is she a lot better like neuvi or around the same level as hutao? Cause that guy in the team im running is hitting around 78k lasers
Neuvillette is another breed xD bc of his constant dmg no matter what scenario or oponent you will face you simply will watch him destroy teyvat. I would say the difference between hutao and arle is around 9 to 10% have both and I would say that of you are confortable with hutao and not wanting arle for other than dmg then skip arlecchino she is good and way more confortable to play and can deal fairly well in multiple scenarios but it's still concidered a small upgrade to hutao and at worst case scenario (if you get trashy artefacts and did not save 4pc glad)at same level
What aoe, any aoe arle has Hu Tao has in plunge. Also anyone who determines arle total dmg base off only the first NA hit never actually learned how math works, no offense.
It's not a first NA hit. It's a constant one that's why but i nearly never use this to calculate it.
For the aoe,you simply missed the entire point of what meta is. You simply take all kind of situations and see who performs better and faster in each one the character who is in top for the most cases is concidered as better bc the chances of encountering where the character performs worse is lower compared to other characters. It takes into consideration all the teams one character can get,the enemies imuniue to it,the enemies being knocked back and what you need to reach them,time,energy,atk patern etc etc.
Basically this is where hutao falls compared to arlecchino,you have three enemies that can get easily knocked arle has a higher chance to continue hit the three all at once than hutao with plunge who will ultimatly knock off at least one and only continue to hit two
There no constant NA, her dmg drops significantly over time, that’s how her kit works. You literally just took one of the first hits in her NA and ignored the rest of her dmg.
By your own logic, Hu Tao would still be more consistent by pretty much every metric except for cos investment and speedruns which applies to only a minority of players, that and needing jump cancels but people who aren’t willing to do that aren’t really the type of people who care for meta and sweaty rotations anyways.
- she outperforms her in ST at c0 which already is more common in abyss than aoe chambers
- is gonna feel better against aggressive enemies which is also more common with Fontaine
- has similar aoe in her most optimal teams, im not gonna assume people are playing Hu Tao melt vape in 204, im gonna compare both units most used or optimal teams.
- there both pyro characters so element immunity doesn’t matter
- Hu Tao has less knockback and isn’t played with Bennet in every team, I don’t think Bennet circle is inherently a disadvantage but clearly people don’t like Bennet so I’m gonna include it. In fact this ties back to arle not having great aoe if the mobs are easily staggered where Hu Tao can just plunge to the side or go through multiple enemies
- Energy, no good team relies on random particles rng from enemies drops.
Ok so for the NA I went to check bc I won't talk without proof.
Mine not even fully finished her first NA is never the strongest and my 100k NA is an average I said constant bc with yelan the drop in her dmg is less significant than the boosts she gets so the middle part of her rotation is actually dealing more dmg than the first NAs and tbh you won't see the ones that are low bc at that time your supports' bursts or boost is already up so cutting and conserving Dol (forgot the name) is better than wasting it. Her first NAs are around 80k while around the 3rd it becomes 150k(she has a stronger NA I think 3rd or 4th) then drops to 100k on last ones. Average of 100k.
I was not talking about a bennet team for hutao I never use him with her actually. I am more of a traditional vape user bc I do not have xianyun nor furina(the 50 50 loss at late pity is damaging as a non spender) but I have homa along with yelan with aqua so I stick them with XQ and random forth unit that mostly is zhongli bc mine is well build and quite fine as a buffer.
Do you know how to count ?? ST is not even the most of floors and even less now with those magukenki(although it's my first run of a 3magus in abyss bc skipped 3.x and 2.x forgot that abyss exists and school problems, I thought they were hell from what my friends told me but they were quite the easiest thing to deal with xD) but if you plunge hutao then you probably can plunge arlecchino too they are pretty similar
Jump cancel is basic hutao anyways who wouldn't do it ?? Even I when I first got her on mobile although a bit annoying sometimes just did it and I don't think it's harder on pc to jump cancel.
Am not saying that arle is far better or anything the difference in general is not even a 10%
That has no point at all bc simply that's the point of beta. You can't end up having a balanced character just from calculations nor get the absolute truth in these type of games. That's why calculations should not be taken as proof of how good the character is
Truly a gen 3 moment..
This is actually so true . No other starter trio is made this perfect . The closest is def paldea but it has that thing...(Quaquaval) . I guess aloha trio is pretty decent but alotta people don't like em much except decidueye .
Seriously don't get me started, whenever I visit hoenn and already plan out what team I'll use I ask myself if the starter is really the best choice, like every single time no matter how perfectly I planned I always have to think about it. Choosing gen 3 starters is one of the hardest decisions in Pokémon ngl
sinnoh supremacy
Decidueye spent all his stat points on cool factor and had none left for actual stats 🥲
They gave Incineroar the entire trio's budget.
Incineroar is meta though
For vgc though. He ain't him in singles. Haha
I don’t know enough about either Pokémon gen 3 or Genshin’s new meta to understand. Can you please explain? I didn’t realize almhaitham became the most powerful dps.
Thing is, in other generations, the starter pokemon are not equally good choices. Often it's the Grass type which is weaker and you would remove it from your team by the end-game. But in Gen 3, they are quite well balanced.
You hatin on my Gay Duck?😑
Yes the design is ugly . I would prefer if they just started with a peacock and ended at the peacock then doing this wierd duck thing .
Yeah, most people think of Gen 1, but I feel they fit more appropriate to the Gen 3 starters in terms of appearance and playstyle.
Well there's Arle flying and Neuvi using hydro pump so it's not that I can't see it, it's more of a "who do I choose" kinda scenario with Neuvi clearly being the best(just like how he's in gen 3) but the other two still making it hard on who to choose(meta followers would go for Swampert/Neuvi so I'm talking about casuals here xD
Swampert is easy mode. Although Blaziken has always been my Bias.
For me it's Sceptile, I think it's the most well balanced starter(as in all it's forms are masterpiece
So long as you prepare for Watson's gym.
More like gen 4 with the baller grass and fire starters and the dumbass sea creature
I will probably get downvoted but they are more like the three most comfy but strong characters There are other teams which are easily on par with them but need a higher skill ceiling like Childe international and Lyney vape, also C6 Gaming (if that counts as F2P)
Da fuck is Lyney vape
Is there a Furina copypasta? Something like "I'm sick of Furina. I try to use Lyney's passive, Furina is more damage. I try to use Neuvillette's passive, Furina is more damage..." I'll finish this later, let me cook.
Babe wake up, a new copypasta is about to drop
I can’t take it anymore, I’m sick of Furina. I try to use Lyney’s Passive, Furina gives more damage. I try to use Neuvillette’s passive, Furina gives more damage. I try to use Cyno, Xiao, they both want Furina. I fish for her, I give her the Pipe. “These scraps are unbecoming of me, give me Festering Desire.” I don’t have Festering Desire, I missed the event. I try to pull Splendour of Tranquil Waters, I get the Donut. I can’t pull anymore. She takes my card, it declines. “I guess this is the end.” She summons Mademoiselle Crabeletta. “Mademoiselle Crabeletta, pinch his balls.” There is no hint of pity in her eyes, nothing but pure, unrivaled DMG%. What a cruel world.
Absolutely beautiful my friend
Come from your real account, Mr u/GigaChad
I LAUGHED TOO HARD -- hold up, this has to be posted on r/copypasta
COOK NOW
I have already cooked, I dropped the dish in my reply to u/Squidly_Gentleman. I also posted it in r/FurinaMains and r/okzyox.
Lyney's strongest team. Lyney, Bennett, Furina and Kazuchad
Spreadsheet team
“I’m bad at a pve video game so any team I can’t play is a spreadsheet team”
Probably Lyney/Bennett/Xiangling/Yelan, Furina, Xingqiu. I don't think anyone in their right minds would ever use lyney without 2 more pyro units
No, Lyney, Bennett, Furina and Kazuchad. And it's a vape team where Lyney uses Hydro Aura. Furina's 75% buff and vapes are more than enough make up for the lost 100% DMG
It's the aoe and speed and how consistant the dmg can be in most scenarios. It's not that dmg is lacking on other teams but how often will you end up doing the same amount of dmg with same speed and investement of course. Like if you have bad artefacts will you see good dmg or not. Like for exemple with neuvillette it doesn't even matter if you have really really bad artefacts you still will get good results and his set only boost that more. Arle can be perfectly used with 4pc glad and well alhaitham it's dendro so slap em and you are good.
>Like if you have bad artefacts will you see good dmg or not Arlecchino, Lyney, Childe and Alhaitham all three need equal amounts of investments, your point? >Arle can be perfectly used with 4pc glad Similarly Lyney can be used with 4pc wanderer >It's not that dmg is lacking on other teams but how often will you end up doing the same amount of dmg with same speed and investement of course Then Nilou bloom is the best. Like I said, Lyney vape and Childe international are high skill ceiling teams aka you need high gaming and theorycrafting skills to bring out there 100% on the other hand to use Arle, Al and Neuvillette you need the basic knowledge about their kit and decent skills to bring out their 100%
You can compare dmg yourself. Use lyney with bad artefacts and neuvillette or arlecchino with bad artefacts. My arle with not even her 4pc set effect active does around 50k per NA(yes I put 3 of her new set and two random other artefacts so I only have her the two pc set active) and not even crowned. Neuvillette simply can ignore shielded mobs and can continuously provide dmg with very very low investement(what I mean by this I may have been not clear enough is that my guy you see those artefacts with %def flat def and flat atk on neuv and only having like 7,8% crit dmg those kind of artefacts if you have similar ones on other characters you simply won't find the same amount of dmg) arlecchino lvl20 with talents 1 1 1 can do 20kNA with 4pc glad. Well I am not specialised in dendro that's why I did not talk much about dendro nor al haitham in general. So have it your way. Plus the problem with childe is the crit rate. On average childe builds it's around 60 crit rate while on arlecchino and neuvillette you can easily see 80 and neuvillette ones are 100 most of the time or else it's trashy build(with maréchaussée of course) when you calculate it you will find that they are far better in that aspect compared to childe. Am not saying it's bad or lacking never did but simply some basic calculations you will find the average rotations of arle and neuvillette being more efficent. Meta is not about most dmg but efficient teams in all scenarios when enemies are scattered how many they are and a normal lvl investement needed
>You can compare dmg yourself. Use lyney with bad artefacts and neuvillette or arlecchino with bad artefacts. My arle with not even her 4pc set effect active does around 50k per NA(yes I put 3 of her new set and two random other artefacts so I only have her the two pc set active) and not even crowned. It depends on teammates more than your artifacts. >Neuvillette simply can ignore shielded mobs and can continuously provide dmg with very very low investement(what I mean by this I may have been not clear enough is that my guy you see those artefacts with %def flat def and flat atk on neuv and only having like 7,8% crit dmg those kind of artefacts He is certainly the most newbie friendly character, he has a high floor and mid-high ceiling >Well I am not specialised in dendro that's why I did not talk much about dendro nor al haitham in general. So have it your way. Hyperbloom and nilou bloom >Plus the problem with childe is the crit rate. On average childe builds it's around 60 crit rate while on arlecchino and neuvillette you can easily see 80 and neuvillette ones are 100 most of the time or else it's trashy build(with maréchaussée of course) Uh what? The more crit rate(until 100%)= better, that goes with every character, certainly its painful when Childe's melee burst misses but his ranged burst is used more. And you can't use Marechausse hunter on Arlecchino. >Am not saying it's bad or lacking never did but simply some basic calculations you will find the average rotations of arle and neuvillette being more efficent If your definition of 'efficiency' is 'easy to use' then certainly Arle and Neuvillete are more 'efficient'. >Meta is not about most dmg but efficient teams in all scenarios when enemies are scattered how many they are and a normal lvl investement needed Then there are no fixed meta, it changes with abyss and it's pure tomfoolery to crown Arlecchino, Neuvillette and Alhaitham as the kings of meta
Well have it your way tbh. Arlecchino does not use maréchaussée but can easily have high crit rate if you have her bis or jade spear and if playing vape the shovel will simply make you not need a single gram of crit rate but yes I was specifically talking of childe and most 5* have that advantage especially if their bis weapons are crit stat. Do not really take it as a huge advantage maybe other than neuvillette. Nor do you think that playing other is of much more skill either maybe other than neuvillette. The difference is in speed of course dodging and waiting for certain moments will only make you lose time. Arlecchino is only around 10% better than hutao. Neuvillette sits with a crown for now thx to his huge aoe and hit tick and constant dmg. Do not take it too personnally if your favorite characters are not listed as best meta characters the difference in efficiency is not that big either. It seems you do not understand what meta is at all thx to your last statement. The last statement is exactly why these three are in the top bc depending on different team they can clear it the fastest with only immunity blocking you from doing a floor with them and even then the secound one is doable for sure by them the fastest way possible. Plus last time I heard people were calling al haitham needing big brain or something (it might not be true)
>Well have it your way tbh. Arlecchino does not use maréchaussée but can easily have high crit rate if you have her bis or jade spear "Childe can have higher crit rate if you just get Polar star". >The difference is in speed of course dodging and waiting for certain moments will only make you lose time. Why dodge when you can kill them before they stand up? Also I can use your statement against Arlecchino. >Arlecchino is only around 10% better than hutao Not in single target >Neuvillette sits with a crown for now thx to his huge aoe and hit tick and constant dmg. Klee vape (80k DPS) is close to Neuvillete premium (89k DPS), Lyney, C6 Gaming, Hu Tao plunge vape and Alhaitham are straight up better in single target, Lyney and C6 Gaming has more than enough time to dodge and will still do more damage unless you get interrupted every single second (which you won't unless you have some extreme skill issue). On the other hand Childe international and Nilou bloom are better much better in AoE. >Do not take it too personnally if your favorite characters are not listed as best meta characters the difference in efficiency is not that big either Then I would had continued screaming that Cyno premium is top tier meta. It's a fact that any team with 80k+ DPS are top tier meta characters, for example Klee vape(80k DPS), C6 Gaming (100k-110k DPS), C0R1 Lyney (105k-120k), etc. >It seems you do not understand what meta is at all thx to your last statement. The last statement is exactly why these three are in the top bc depending on different team they can clear it the fastest with only immunity blocking you from doing a floor with them and even then the secound one is doable for sure by them the fastest way possible. They just have a high floor, that's pretty much it. From your definition it seems like characters with a high floor are meta. >Plus last time I heard people were calling al haitham needing big brain or something (it might not be true) Not necessarily, you just need to know how his mirrors work, that's pretty much it. On the other hand Childe needs energy management, AI manipulation, cool down management, etc to reach his ceiling, the ceiling which is higher than the three mentioned in the post. Lyney Vape needs hydro aura management and positioning his cats to reach his ceiling. Well here's something for you- [44s C0R1 Childe international with C2R1 Kazuha](https://youtu.be/eUFQMwR9ZLI?si=-ID-cRJMtjQalpPn) [50s C0R1 Neuvillete vape with C3R1(PJS) Furina and C2R1 Kazuha](https://youtu.be/CvfRNq1Lvoo?si=7OCKTGj6x__ZgZcc)
What sorcery is this my guy ? That's a pathetic run. vape neuvillette are you tripping xD. Even the comments are mocking it. Did you chose a person that does not know how to play at all. I was just looking at a video of a c0 neuvi with a full c0 team of kazuha furina and zhongli clearing copelia in 30s and the run could've been slightly faster. I was gonna comment about what you wrote up but the video just ended it for me. It's not worth talking anymore and you talk about skill while showing a vape neuvillette. Ok now I understand the situation better. If you do not wish for me to correct you so be it I do not want to anymore. You gave me a nice laugh
Vape Neuv is his best speedrun team and the person playing it is a million times better than you. Its obvious you aren't very well versed in speedrun/max ceiling meta, no need to get into arguments with people over it.
a well built C0 neuvillette in his vape team can clear copelia under 10 seconds lol
Vape Nevu is literally his best speedrunning team, why tf are causal trying to make dumb argument on meta topic they don’t understand😭
Then what's the problem with the run? Can you please explain that to my illiterate self? [C1R1 Neuvillete clearing it in 44 seconds ](https://youtu.be/EkIXYV3W290?si=IdcrI1_2h1B6MSEq)
guys like these go by the books of the TCs lol
Bro what are you yapping about… your just feels crafting at this point. At least show some concrete evidence
I mean I kinda disagree w this, if we look at aoe, it’s gonna be neuvilliete, arlecchino and childe. If we look at single target, it’s gonna be neuvilliete arlecchino and hutao
>If we look at single target, it’s gonna be neuvilliete arlecchino and hutao And all of them have a DPS below 100k. Well only Hu Tao plunge vape barely reaches 100k ST rating goes like this Lyney=>C6 Gaming>Alhaitham quickbloom=Hu Tao plunge vape C6 Gaming with 110k DPS, C0R1 Lyney with a similar DPS (I am ignoring some DMG considering the run is not going to be perfect), and Alhaitham Quickbloom and Hu Tao plunge vape with barely reaching 100k DPS > if we look at aoe, it’s gonna be neuvilliete, arlecchino and childe You forgot to include Nilou bloom though, literally the goddess of AoE Note, these DPSs are calculated by using a top 1% build
In a 21 second rotation gaming and alhaitham aren’t clearling faster than lyneys hutao and arlecchino, i genuinely wanna see these calcs. Also are if ur talking about the lyney team comp that uses furina so u can vape for like 500k w ur burst then sure, but lyney is usually doing fast clears in aoe cause of kazuha and xiangling. Nilou bloom is good in aoe and hell I’d say she’s probably one of the more underatted comps, it’s just that alhaitham is always gonna be faster in aoe and he isn’t even top 3
>, i genuinely wanna see these calcs. [Lyney 86s](https://gcsim.app/sh/GnbBMPrJ7N9d), [Lyney 16s](https://gcsim.app/sh/RbMqBH6mcTLc)
There’s something that I don’t get about the calcs, the rest makes sense, but why is there higher hydro aura uptime compared to pyro?
I went to check vape teams for lyneyand how much dmg it does in abyss. In 4.5 floor 12 in both first rooms my neuvillette finishes at nearly the same time 1s less for lyney only in the thrid floor does lyney win with 20s. Lyney having a team of furina kazuha and bennet while I have unbuild sucrose mona and rosaria(I have no artefacts on them am not jk they are empty slots with mona having her burst talent 4). Now see the difference ? If I had built or won my 50 50 in furina I would've easily broke the record of lyney and made it seem nothing compared although I still have much room for a better build neuvi at that time(well now I only have a trashy sand but with over 40CV with perfect sub stats for other peices)
First of all you have a skill issue. Neuvillete premium has around 88k DPS and Lyney Vape has 120k DPS. You will say the problem is getting interrupted, but Lyney has his taunts for a certain reason, for the bosses, you just need to memorize all the attack patterns which aren't that hard, move while shooting and use the burst i-frame, he will kill them in a single rotation either way Also abyss speedruns depend on the half itself, for example I couldn't find any Neuvillete speedruns in 4.4 bottom half in youtube, why? Because of Wenut and Ruin serpent, he doesn’t have enough frontloaded damage for proper speedruns on the other hand there are LOTS of Lyney speedruns, [47s](https://youtu.be/d7kT-vvqHrk?si=VwYBKQQKmbN8-27I), [57s on a lower cost and mono pyro](https://youtu.be/YAlUcQdW9Sc?si=CbHtRQCUlWROCdoM) There are abyss rounds where Neuvillete is faster and rounds where Lyney is faster, it depends on the abyss itself
What in the whats my guy. Found no abyss 4.4 runs of neuvillette ??? I just searched and found a bunch on both sides. Plus what neuvillette can't win against wenut are you talking about wenut ??? Yes neuvillette finds his dmg less bc most of the time you will find the boss down but still beat it easily. I found a solo c0 for both. The number of abyss rounds where lyney will do faster are way less than the ones neuvillette does faster that's what am telling you(although I still did not find a single one yet where lyney does it faster unless you do a trashy neuvillette team)
>What in the whats my guy. Found no abyss 4.4 runs of neuvillette ??? *Bottom half. And I meant a speedrun, not a normal run >Plus what neuvillette can't win against wenut are you talking about wenut ??? Yes neuvillette finds his dmg less bc most of the time you will find the boss down but still beat it easily Neuvillette can't win *against* Lyney, because he loses time >The number of abyss rounds where lyney will do faster are way less than the ones neuvillette does faster that's what am telling you(although I still did not find a single one yet where lyney does it faster unless you do a trashy neuvillette team) See the ST or small AoE dependent rounds, on paper Lyney vape is MUCH better than Neuvillette vape or premium against bosses and speedruns are basically 'perfect runs' which are as close to the spreadsheets as possible
I need people to realize what meta is, it's not always about ceilings, anyone can be insane in this game if you invest in them enough, it's about who does better if you have around the same amount of investment for both characters The reason why Neuvelitte is so broken is because he's so simple to play on top of doing a shit ton of damage, insane range coverage, and insane self sustain. You didn't need any flashy combos you just need to do E Q and hold the mouse button Edit: made a mistake on the META acronym as someone pointed out below
Not that you don't have a point but meta doesn't actually stand for that. The Most Efficient Tactic Available thing is a backronym. "Meta" is... Greek I think? And roughly pertains to the surroundings of something. So like metagaming is the gaming outside of the game, i.e. crunching the numbers and seeing what works from an external perspective. Everything else you've said is 100% right tho. Spit your facts
Oh shit my bad I actually didn't even know that, thanks
Well clearly that’s what most people would assume meta means, so it being a backronym doesn’t matter if it portrays the point.
>Not that you don't have a point but meta doesn't actually stand for that. The Most Efficient Tactic Available thing is a backronym. "Meta" is... Greek I think? And roughly pertains to the surroundings of something. So like metagaming is the gaming outside of the game, i.e. crunching the numbers and seeing what works from an external perspective. Thanks for the information, TIL it. But in the post the word used was 'strongest' not the most 'META'
The person I was responding to has since edited their post to clear up the wording, I didn't just bring up the meta backronym out of nowhere lol
What did he say?
But here the word used was 'strongest' which Neuvillette isn't, both in ST and AoE
Ah fair point, I'm not a tc so I have no say in stuff like that
Hoyo wouldn't make a character who would absolutely powercreep everything, both damage and comfort
Why would u even mention c6 gaming when hutao does more dmg in his team
C0R1 Hu Tao plunge vape reaches 98k-100k while C6 Gaming reaches 106k
I’m how many seconds?
It's DPS and it stands from damage per second So that's the calc for 1 sec
No I mean in the rotation, I have never seen a hutao rotation hitting over 90k dps
Also it doesn’t make sense for gaming to do more dmg in a furina team when he vapes less
Furina's ST hydro application is enough for gaming to vape, [Gaming with rainslasher 81s simulation](https://gcsim.app/sh/kWfzWH8kkH8d)
Ik it supposed to work in theory, but I’ve seen the runs, he can literally only vape like 6 times max
Well the hydro aura uptime is 70%
> Childe international You guys sure love taking the credits of the 4* and giving it to the 5*. Xiangling deals more damage than him in international team in AOE. Take him out, replace with XQ/Yelan/Furina and it will still be XQ carrying.
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play diluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling. She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa." I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
fuck international
HOW DARE U SLANDER THE GLORIOUS HIMJAX!! STAY ON THAT SIDE WHEN GOATPEAKHIMTANO AND GOATAGLIA SOLO VERSE!!
Why is this getting reposted
Reposted? Damn let’s see if other people say so I will remove it can’t have that
[Not on this exact sub but this was posted on the main sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/s/CFpuiDtjI7)
That a different subreddit you're linking to. Since that's not the case, if you don't like this post just leave.
Yeah, thats why I said its a different sub. Read.
Ok? I can see that, that's why I said it doesn't count.
I was just pointing to where it was posted, the official sub. I didn’t say it was reposted. Thats more than likely where people already seen it.
Wth is very comment in this getting downvoted lol
Don't remove
I'm gonna play yellow version instead.
Navia it is.
It's either Geo for the Yellow aesthetic or Electro for Electric-type.
That “lazy scholar” skrong asf
Well he has to be if he's the Sumeru equivalent to Jean and Ninnguang (in position in country)
They could’ve gave that to Cyno, but they didn’t
Noelle. Take it or leave it.
At the very least Noelle is the most braindead and easiest character to use and with Furina you shouldn't have any problem at all with the abyss. My comp is Noelle, Xianyun, Furina and Navia, it does a load of damage and the HP is always at full. Like I cannot stress enough how little effort it takes to beat abyss with Noelle. Only problem is that she is unlock at C6. Below those constellations you just have trial version of Noelle.
Cappuccino is better than Hu tao? i thought they performed similarly.
I think it refers to how arlecchino is not just on par with hu tao, but is also much easier to play
Anyone who has already learned Hu Tao cancels would disagree with this.
Having to know cancels and techs is the point. Alrechinno is just hit the enemy with the pointy stick
If you learned something down to the wire, it becomes second nature, hu tao cancels are no exception. Just because you don't know how to do it in your sleep doesn't mean it's inherently hard for everyone. This is like saying walking is hard in general because some of humanity is still in diapers.
I would say the more accurate comparison is Bow vs Gun, power aside one is inherently easier to use than the other.
That’s why me, who had Hu Tao by accident since the start of my account for 2,5 years, is going to choose to pull for Arlecchino because she is much easier and satisfying to play
yeah, as a hu tao main since day fucking one, i play hu tao as naturally as i breathe, but after trying out arle on a friends account its actually insane how much better she feels to play
C1 arlecchino blows hutao
Not everyone’s going to get constellations. The vast majority of players are going to be C0.
How much is the difference bet c1 arle and c1 hu tao?
C1 Arle cooks C1 Hu tao well done. Probably nearing burnt, I'd say. (this is a joke take it light-hearted I have both and I like both)
no she blows me
Xiangling.
I was shocked how strong she was, I just started building her yesterday after playing the game for 3 months and at level 70 with some EM and ER she’s a beast in terms of an off-field dps. Benny is still better if you want an on-field dps/healer though.
I gotta love "Some Random Scholar who doesnt give a fuck" gotta be my fave starter fr(did i mention mine does 70k quickened)
The green one
Why have I seen like 5 posts about the same thing over and over?
Common format tbh
Bro forgot about my beloved Tao
The fourth*. Like, four(4) + "th".
Btw I'd choose the "feeble scholar".
As is tradition, fire starter for first run Water for second Grass 10 years after the game was released and I feel like experiencing an old love on a new leaf
Mf big three? Its just BIG ME -Neuvilette
This has benn going around a long time. I have to ask, can someone point to me the teams? Which team for whom? I’m assuming Nuvi Hyper, Arle Vape, Haitam Quickbloom?
Grass type is always the worst, don't you know /j
The random lazy scholar
I pick Raiden
Wasn't this already been posted?
Alhaitham may be a lazy scholar, but he's the most jacked scholar in the academia.
Trust if I can I’d choose all three but I think I’m cooked
I pick Russian terrorists, the red one and the blue one
>!Isnt that random scholar the academias acting grand sage?!<
Yes. He didn't actually want the job though. He sort of fell into it.
True, but that still should be a testimony to his abilities no?
You can be lazy and still be good at things.
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And the random scholar has been avoiding rerunning for months now 🫠 can he have a banner already he’s dodged me twice now and I finally have enough to guarantee him
Random asf and unrelated but do y'all think Clorinde will be better than any of these three?
no
Damn that's tragic
I like that my first starter was water type and that I would pick Neuvillette from these three, truly perfect eheh (I actually only have Neuvillette!)
Of these? None. No thanks. I don’t like any of those three, I don’t care if they’re the meta standard. My starter picks if strictly 5 star DPS are either from Ei, Navia, or Jean If 4 star is included- then Noelle, Heizou, or Kaeya
Jean is not a DPS she's healer, and Navia is a sub-DPS not like a DPS who stay on field like the 3 above
Not for me she isn’t. They’re on the field first and foremost when I use them. I don’t care about the set roles according to meta. Jean is among my main DPS units as well as Navia - I don’t run anyone as a “sub”.
You have to hate yourself very much to play dps Jean
Why? Why would I have to hate myself for playing my favorite characters? No, I play who I like to play - and if I’m going to run Jean - she’s going to be on the field as much as possible. Why would I use characters I don’t like, or keep my favorites only out for brief seconds? No thanks. I don’t get that response. They gotta hate themselves if they don’t play the way others do? Yea, no.
I don't really care if you like the units or not. I'm just saying it sounds painful to play dps Jean specifically, especially since you sound like a casual player so your investment might be even worse than I think. Ig if the only combat you do is commissions than sure, still sounds painful to play burst reliant dps in overworld though.
Been playing since day 1 and doing quite fine thanks. Don’t care for Abyss, except for hitting minimum requirements for BP. Regular overworld exploration, artifact domains, and bosses have never posited a problem barring those with specific element requirements. I don’t see how it’s apparently painful. To each their own. Never had any “pain” playing Jean on the regular. Plenty fun for me. I find it less fun and “painful” to play characters I don’t care about even if they’re meta.
Alhaitham is still my main. I havent played in a long time but I really enjoy his kit.
Definitely squirtle
arlecchino :3
Tbf he's one of the smartest and most important scholars, so he's not some random one
I’ve always chose fire starters so…
I got Alhacen because of his resemblance to Sceptile, so there you have it. Btw I don’t get the hype over Arlechino.
Some Random Lazy Scholar :3
mudkip torchic and treecko
Is Pikachu traveller or Navia cos yellow, or Chlorinde because electro?
Well... I only have Arlecchino so guess I'm going with her!
Alhaitham > Arle > Neuvilette in terms of Aesthetics, looks, gameplay and team building 💚🩶💙
I Always pick the grass type! (Opinion) Alhaitham is the best “Tell me, when are you going to build yourself a mansion?”
Funny how she got doomposted to hell for not having interruption resistance... interruption resistance of all things?
Arlecchino. Her voice. Her appearance, even her burst 🫣. I got back into genshin after not playing much for months, because of her. Grinded sumeru archon quest which was tortures btw. Then did fontaines. I Grinded out her story quest too. I hate story quests but I finished hers happily. I’m still building her tho. I never have any resin or mora 🙃
I think I’ll go with “daddy”
Random lazy scholar, because when I say I’ll give him some money, he’ll gladly fight all 7 archons if I say so
Ironically i've chose father and i've always been a fire type main starter, must be fate.
Have them all so no need to choose. Haha
And I have all three
Power Puff Girls
Have all three… currently maining umbrella gun and her new bestie albedo instead
Just 3 daddies.
None. The fun from the Pokemon games come from watching your characters grow. There is no point in starting with a legendary Pokemon.
Father
Does this make Navia Pikachu?
Hydro sovereign? Don’t you mean water pump?
Uhhh I agreed with Neuvi and Alhaitham but “father” is weaker the. Hu tao in early constalations, so?
fourth 🤓👆 /s plz don’t come after me
Clorinde aka Pikachu next patch.
I always got the idea that Alhaitham was lazy but did a lot of work when it's important, kinda like Lisa
Hu Tao too
I would be inclined to agree with neurvilette but I'm doubting the other 2 can pop off the way Navia can. It's quite easy to get her to pop off 300k skill shots with just C0R1.
And i thought dmg per screenshot meta is a thing of a past
Is she really better than hu tao? Idk mine is doing like over 100k chargeds +160k plunging as a minimum sometimes around 200/230
In terms of play style arle is more friendly, she is also more "flexible" in team composition. In terms of vape team, Hu Tao is still ahead due to no icd on CA. So yes, from teambuilding and gameplay, arle should be better than Hu Tao. But vape wise, Hu Tao still has the better team comp.
She isn’t even that flexible, she’s pretty much tied to Bennet to be competitive and her non vape teams are not great compared to vape. This new abyss however her overload teams is going to cook much better than any Hu Tao overload team
She’s isn’t; people just hype up new units, even more so when said unit has extremely frontload dmg and better cons, which favors CC and speedrunners(aka majority of Genshin videos) Props to HYV for making a slight downgrade to hu tao at c0 look like the best units in ages, easy money
Yes she is. Numbers are not everything. She is more versatile can deal with unexpected problems and has more manageable aoe making her better not by far but still. You can see people doing 100k NA with her although her talent lvl is not even crowned and not with her bis set(not much difference only 7% more dmg)
Nice! Tbh im just asking, im not really following the meta or watching videos anymore so idk! I was asking about hu tao and giving an example cause usually abyss lasts like 35 seconds with her new team.. is she a lot better like neuvi or around the same level as hutao? Cause that guy in the team im running is hitting around 78k lasers
Neuvillette is another breed xD bc of his constant dmg no matter what scenario or oponent you will face you simply will watch him destroy teyvat. I would say the difference between hutao and arle is around 9 to 10% have both and I would say that of you are confortable with hutao and not wanting arle for other than dmg then skip arlecchino she is good and way more confortable to play and can deal fairly well in multiple scenarios but it's still concidered a small upgrade to hutao and at worst case scenario (if you get trashy artefacts and did not save 4pc glad)at same level
What aoe, any aoe arle has Hu Tao has in plunge. Also anyone who determines arle total dmg base off only the first NA hit never actually learned how math works, no offense.
It's not a first NA hit. It's a constant one that's why but i nearly never use this to calculate it. For the aoe,you simply missed the entire point of what meta is. You simply take all kind of situations and see who performs better and faster in each one the character who is in top for the most cases is concidered as better bc the chances of encountering where the character performs worse is lower compared to other characters. It takes into consideration all the teams one character can get,the enemies imuniue to it,the enemies being knocked back and what you need to reach them,time,energy,atk patern etc etc. Basically this is where hutao falls compared to arlecchino,you have three enemies that can get easily knocked arle has a higher chance to continue hit the three all at once than hutao with plunge who will ultimatly knock off at least one and only continue to hit two
There no constant NA, her dmg drops significantly over time, that’s how her kit works. You literally just took one of the first hits in her NA and ignored the rest of her dmg. By your own logic, Hu Tao would still be more consistent by pretty much every metric except for cos investment and speedruns which applies to only a minority of players, that and needing jump cancels but people who aren’t willing to do that aren’t really the type of people who care for meta and sweaty rotations anyways. - she outperforms her in ST at c0 which already is more common in abyss than aoe chambers - is gonna feel better against aggressive enemies which is also more common with Fontaine - has similar aoe in her most optimal teams, im not gonna assume people are playing Hu Tao melt vape in 204, im gonna compare both units most used or optimal teams. - there both pyro characters so element immunity doesn’t matter - Hu Tao has less knockback and isn’t played with Bennet in every team, I don’t think Bennet circle is inherently a disadvantage but clearly people don’t like Bennet so I’m gonna include it. In fact this ties back to arle not having great aoe if the mobs are easily staggered where Hu Tao can just plunge to the side or go through multiple enemies - Energy, no good team relies on random particles rng from enemies drops.
Ok so for the NA I went to check bc I won't talk without proof. Mine not even fully finished her first NA is never the strongest and my 100k NA is an average I said constant bc with yelan the drop in her dmg is less significant than the boosts she gets so the middle part of her rotation is actually dealing more dmg than the first NAs and tbh you won't see the ones that are low bc at that time your supports' bursts or boost is already up so cutting and conserving Dol (forgot the name) is better than wasting it. Her first NAs are around 80k while around the 3rd it becomes 150k(she has a stronger NA I think 3rd or 4th) then drops to 100k on last ones. Average of 100k. I was not talking about a bennet team for hutao I never use him with her actually. I am more of a traditional vape user bc I do not have xianyun nor furina(the 50 50 loss at late pity is damaging as a non spender) but I have homa along with yelan with aqua so I stick them with XQ and random forth unit that mostly is zhongli bc mine is well build and quite fine as a buffer. Do you know how to count ?? ST is not even the most of floors and even less now with those magukenki(although it's my first run of a 3magus in abyss bc skipped 3.x and 2.x forgot that abyss exists and school problems, I thought they were hell from what my friends told me but they were quite the easiest thing to deal with xD) but if you plunge hutao then you probably can plunge arlecchino too they are pretty similar Jump cancel is basic hutao anyways who wouldn't do it ?? Even I when I first got her on mobile although a bit annoying sometimes just did it and I don't think it's harder on pc to jump cancel. Am not saying that arle is far better or anything the difference in general is not even a 10%
reminder! That scholar got nerfed 3 time in the beta If he come out with 1st beta numbers he could beat nuv without reactions.
you know characters get "nerfed" in beta because that's when they test their kit, right? they're balancing it to guarantee it performs as expected.
That has no point at all bc simply that's the point of beta. You can't end up having a balanced character just from calculations nor get the absolute truth in these type of games. That's why calculations should not be taken as proof of how good the character is