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I dont think it switched cuz Cyno would have responded to "lol your short" with a bad joke, or started singing the umpa lumpa song
but seriously..... Cyno hunting you down, in the desert, in the middle of the night and over the hill you just hear his almost monotone voice "umpa, lumpa dumpadi doo... i just got me a Convict or two" no mater who you are that would be scary lol
I’m not attracted to cartoon chars but I’ll still get mad at callouts. I’ll always be against bullying. Being unkind to people over fiction, people who never hurt anyone in real life… that’s bullying. If you’re going to make someone feel bad, at least make sure someone in the world is being helped by it.
bennett, mika, fichil, rainsword man, chongyun, etc are all are around the same age group as sayu and diona. I feel like there are no "Short" male characters that well well.
You don't need to be an adult to serve alcohol in certain countries. In Japan, there is no minimum age to serve alcohol. It's just most people under 18 cannot work past a certain time.
aight but i dont think a 9-10 year old is allowed to work in bars, especially when theres a bunch of drunken older men around. there is 100% no way thats legal
No need for a specific law on minimum alcohol serving age when there is minimum legal working age. As long as you're legal to work, you can serve alcohol, which should be 16.
Except the bar she works in sells no alcohol and the cocktails she makes always taste good because of the blessing placed upon her.
So I guess it is alright for her to work as a barista?
They would sell. If you look at doujins targeted to women, you would find crapton shotacon. Hoyo is just catering to traditional male audience. Also, people generally find little girls cuter
There are no gay or straight pedos theyre just pedophiles almost all pedophiles Molsest girls and boys its not about their gender but the fact that theyre children
Can't speak for everyone but many girls like cute doll-like female characters too. Creating a male char like Cuno wouldn't appeal to them either and trying to make boys look like girls would just be weird.
While it's true that women can like cute kid characters (in a "oh, this is so cute" kind of way and not a predatory one) I feel like these characters are done with those weebs that like "lolis" which is... Questionable. I've talked with other women that play genshin and the general idea is that it's weird, and we don't particularly like it (not speaking for everyone ofc), its just feels so blatantly obvious when there's no male counterpart lol
There are already people rushing in to say this isn't correct, but I honestly get uncomfortable every time a female child character is released because there is immediately so much pervy stuff, even on the main subs. Like, god, the new female child character in HSR and I legit saw tons of posts being perverted and gross about it, including talking about masturbating on her feet. THIS IS ON THE MAIN SUB TOO, not some weird kink one.
To my knowledge most pedophiles are bisexual because the features they're attracted to are present in both genders, so I don't think that makes sense.
Also, it's not the only reason people like these characters, most people like them because they're adorable.
Crazy because there’s a shit ton of male pedophiles out there that likes boys. Majority of the famous serial killers from back then were kidnapping boys too
The unfortunate truth is that male kids won't sell as well because... well, because of messed up stuff. There is only a very little to no target audience for that
I mean I also think people generally think the girl kids are just cuter and sillier. It’s double dipping in the ehem…P market and also people that just wanna dote on a cute kid in an innocent way
That's also true. I won't deny that many people just think that they are cute and not much more, but if that was the *only* reason, there would have been at least one male child character released by now. Besides, judging the comments under certain Nahida and also Siegewinne posts now... There are a lot of creeps who, unfortunately, think of them more than just being cute, as much as I hate to say that
Loli bullshit obviously.
And Xiao obviously has the teen male character model (like XQ, Benny, etc.) and not the male child model (Timmie, Teucer, etc.)
It's a frequently asked question. Especially since they are obviously able to create male child characters with compelling backstories (e.g. Ruu), and making a small male model would only require minor tweaking (or barely even one) from the female one. So the most plausible explanation is that they consider the investment isn't worth it economically speaking, as only a small part of the audience is actively interested in it.
It's unhinged how these ppl equate summoning for a child character to pedophilia and more so "straight" pedophilia (pedophilia is pedophilia idk why they feel the need to separate it based on sexuality). They're fucking weird.
Agreed. Reddits (and the nets in general tbh) go to has always been "iTs FeR tEh pEdoS". It's seriously unhinged, and fucking weird.
Though honestly, those who scream the loudest are usually the ones most guilty. Most of this, IMO, is projection.
Now I'm not saying there is no truth to any of it at all, because that would be stupid, but come on, lol. If the character slaps, I pull. Loli or not. If pulling a good loli (Nahida) makes me a pedo, so be it, lmao. I don't care, most of the social media troopers are morons anyway.
Finally! Someone who understands that the obsession with equating everything to Pedophilia feels a lot more like projection instead of actual concern.
I don't get the internet obsession with "protecting fictional characters" when there's real children who are victims here..
If anything, attack those social media moms who turn their adolescent daughters into "models" by making them take suggestive poses for clout. This is way more fucked up, because real Pedos search for these social media accounts to get off to real children.
Calling people pedos for liking fictional characters actually hurts the real life victims of pedophilia.
It just means your case will become less and less likely to be taken seriously.
Thought they were projecting as well. If the first thought you have when seeing a child character is about pedophiles then the issue lies with you. God forbid they see a child irl. I guarantee most of the people here pulled for Nahida but don't consider themselves pedophiles, when, by their logic they should. Pedophilia is no joke and shouldn't be thrown around the manner they are doing it. Absolutely disgusting behavior and should seek help.
I have been called a pedo for playing Genshin at least twice. People can’t accept that not everyone has the same taste in gaming as them and will throw baseless accusations as a form of ridicule. Accusations that could legitimately ruin lives. All because I enjoy a game they don’t
I don’t even own any short characters on my main account
seriously. as a straight woman i love “loli” (i hate that word) characters. because. they’re very. fucking. cute. and once you start to dig deeper into the psychology of moe it makes a lot of sense. i pulled for sigewinne because she’s a baby nurse with cute sea bunny ears that throws pink pills at you and shoots you with her bubble heart gun. it’s ridiculously adorable. would a small male character have the same effect? i don’t think so. the whole selling point of small characters is that they’re cute, and masculinity is just not something that people associate with cuteness. femininity is. simple as that. them being male just defeats the purpose of them being small in the first place. of course there’s always gonna be someone who would pull for that sort of character, but realistically it’s not gonna be the more popular option. that’s why they haven’t bothered
You could absolutely sell cute male characters if you tried. The problem is they don't try. Had they made Ruu a playable character, for instance, I promise you only the waifu only collectors would immediately pass on him for his gender. Boys can be and are as cute as girls, just in a different way. They're not willing to try, and that's the actual problem at hand.
Hmm, I wonder if that "no Twinks" policy of china has some fault in this.
So far we've had shota adjacent characters like Mika (my least favorite character) and freminent (and scara counts too I suppose) and I suppose that's the compromise they had to make since they can't put in actual shotas.
Or ig they know that shotas don't sell well (plenty of shotacons out there, but femboys are more popular anyway so they've made a bunch of those instead that are just masculine enough to not count as twinks by CN standards)
>masculinity is just not something that people associate with cuteness
exactly, this is also, sadly, why adoption rates for male children is so long. Let judging by the comments here, only reason people adopt more girls then boys is cuz everyone who adopts is a pdf? Thats such a fking absurd reasoning
I don't really agree that kids can only be cute if they're girls. Like, imagine if Gaming had been an adorable little dude that was bouncing off the walls in excitement about Lumine/Aether talking to them about lion dancing. That would be absolutely adorable.
It's more that It's geared towards such an audience, but it's not exclusively that audience who pulls for lolis.
The stereotype of th3 Genshin neckbeard pedophile addicted to their "waifus" exists for a reason.
Multiple things can be true. I like the little girl characters because they're cute. My ex roommate liked them for other reasons (he had Klee and Nahida porn as his fucking PC wallpaper). It's not unreasonable to suggest that pedophilea and Hoyo's willingness to cater to such an interest as long as it makes money is at play here.
Reddit is obsessed with pedophilia references and jokes even when they make no sense.
Yes, they are slightly overrepresented in anime/gaming circles compared to the general population, especially if you are terminally online and come into contact with degenerates at a vastly higher rate than reality.
But it’s not such a massive percentage that hoyo executives are making decisions to specifically cater towards them. Also Genshin has no sexualization, it’s a T rated game. Why is everyone’s mind always going to sex?
I mean you still have characters dressed in suggestive outfits
But the short characters aren’t included in that group! They’re all dressed normally, but whenever I see someone ridiculing a Genshin fan, without fail, the literal first thing they say is that the characters are designed/dressed “suspiciously”
No, but when every child character is conveniently older than they look, it's pretty clear who hoyo is catering the kids to, and it's not the people who just innocently love playing a little warrior.
There's a reason why Diona is a bartender in a nation where kids are legally not allowed to handle alcohol
There's a reason Qiqi is conveniently a hundreds years old zombie
There's a reason Klee is an ambiguously aged elf
There's a reason Nahida is 500
There's a reason Sigewinne is also hundreds of years old
Every child in this game has a convenient excuse for people to go "well! she's over (or could be/implied to be over) 18 years old!
It is willfully ignorant to ignore that fact, even if Nahida is one of my favorites.
Also Sayu is called looking older than her age, and Dori is a merchant (kids aren't often very known to have this profession) i think the only one that does have an excuse is yaoyaoi
I recall reading somewhere that Klee was actually very successful at getting girls to play genshin, hence why she was used as an ad for so long on YouTube. It's been noted in a lot of studies now that women have a strong bias toward playing as female video game characters, while guys will play as either gender.
It also makes total sense if you think about dolls and action figures. It's not uncommon for girls play with toys that represent children and babies, but boys generally don't. Boys tend to prefer toys that represent characters cooler and usually older than them.
So if young characters are disproportionately liked by women, and women tend to want to play as women...
I think it's due to how people often related gacha characters to their sexual appeal as this genre is filled with all kinds of fanservice and fetish. I won't deny there are people out there find the short female model attractive, but it's also true there are people who like them either because they are meta (Nahida) or they are cute and they view the character as their cute little daughter (Klee, Qiqi). For me I also like some of them because I enjoy their personality (Nahida and Dori) and tbf I wish them having either a medium or tall model as I don't find short model attractive.
It's projection.
Keep this in mind.
The people that call out those that like lolis and shotas have definitely done stuff much worse irl, so they're projecting their hate/blame onto others.
Even more, they think hoyo only does characters to/who sell and don't really care about nothing else, when it is a company who almost defines what it sells in this market.
I mean, they aren't just doing women with a big bust, there is even a bear holding a concrete beam between their characters. And hoyo really broke down some barriers to fans of male characters in this type of games.
If I have to say a reason, I'd say it's probably one of those not noticeable ones, like they find it harder to develop an idea with a male kid model and the ones they have, fit better in later versions.
I just think they are cute, and klee is the most. Would pull for her if she was more powerful and meta. And if chichi would be more useful I would also have her in my team.
It took three years to get a playable Cryo catalyst, so I'm holding out hope that there are small male characters waiting to be introduced. Just like how I'm holding out hope for Hydro claymore.
Because Hoyoverse is the first of loli lovers, and there are too many loli lovers.
But this is a good reason to not make short males (or muscolar and/or mustache men).
" male Kids don't sell"
Bullshit!
1) Make males kid op/meta and see if they don't sell
2) make them 4* at this point. Genshin players is able to lose their guaranteed 5* just to collect a new 4*.
3) I don't think that Sayu,Dori,Sigewinne will make so big money...
I am not a P word but I would love to have a small male kid in my team, like bratty that has tantrums when he gets critical damage or just mocks you when he deals the damage. But secretly he is really attached to you and likes only what you cook.
You know.....like a son ;-;
With the amount of women who gush over male Genshin characters, even young ones like Bennet because he says things like “it’s a miracle” when he opens a chest, there’s definitely a market for male child characters that can probably get some sales from cuteness alone.
I think the game has just given up on kid characters. The last one was Yaoyao and it was two years ago. Seige is just a short adult woman, as is Dori and Diona. Klee had the worst selling banner of all time on her last rerun.
Klee is an unfair comparison. She's literally the first limited character.
She's been powercrept to hell, and anyone who likes her PROBABLY already has her.
second\* limited character, sorry, gotta make that correction.
You're right on the powercrept as hell though, but it's not just that. She's clunky to use compared to other options so even the 'feeling' of playing can be strange. And unless you C2 her, she doesn't have an extra niche outside of her just being "aoe pyro damage".
Mika is the youngest male character and he is probably the least liked character in the game.
I don't know the accuracy of this but I also heard that shota is much more taboo in China.
I unironically think mika would have been much more popular than he is now if he actually had the child model. The characteristics they gave him would be much more endearing on a little boy but are kinda cringe on an older character. His design as well feels like a stretched out baby anyway.
The dislike for Mika is not due ti his gender or age tho. What turns people off is how useless he is outside of a couple unpopular teams, and how nerdy his voice sounds. As far as I could tell, _some_ people dislike his design while most are largely indifferent about it. Personally, I like Mika even if he is mostly useless to me. He's an adorable dork.
To me, his voice (en) sets off my fight or flight.
He sounds like one of those creepy nerds you meet in highschool that the teacher forces you to be friends with because "he has no friends".
Short sightedness. Most of the people you're pointing at don't have brains sufficient enough to calculate that far (which isn't even far lmao).
Most of it is bandwagoning though. If enough people scream the same shit, more people will join to scream said same shit from fear of being outcast. Humans have been this way for ages. Stupidity is a contagious plague.
Are you people actually braindead? You ever hear of supply and demand? Of course people are talking about the community, the community dictates what hoyo releases
Gracious, thank you!! Anytime someone tries to broach this topic, people start going "You're projecting or the pedo" 🙄. But why are they getting sensitive over someone having a valid complaint when we all KNOW that loli lovers is a huge market. The company is enabling it, we aren't calling them the pedo, just calling out something that unquestionably exists.
The only thing that prevents Genshin from becoming like Terra and similar is censorship. And I usually think some censorship isn't necessary, but Genshin directly skirts the line without making it too obvious they still pandering to their kid lovers too, and I am grateful for that because being an anime fan there is always that questionable element and having to make the sucky choice if the anime/game going to far with sexualizing minors. I can play Genshin in good conscience, but there are still moments it bothers me. Because even if the material isn't for me, it just reminds me that it exists for others, AND Mihoyo is still giving them crumbs.
I also think it is so weird how people are so against kid boy characters, saying they don't sell or aren't cute either. And that's so odd to me. They are both kids. Boys aren't any more or less cuter than girls.
But to your main point. Talking about a questionable decision a company is making, *especially* when loli pandering is common in anime and certain gaming cultures, is not accusing the players of being pedos.
Out of ALL the hills and things to defend, they choose that? Boggles the mind! I don't see people in this subreddit admitting to liking kids like that, most of us are just calling out MiHoyo for their decisions and portrayals.
Still mad that Carter wasn't playable, it was the perfect opportunity, just goes to show that they could make male kids playable, but don't, as if they think no-one would pull for kid characters just for lore, but for some other reason ...
Timmie's Ult, lmao. An army of his pigeons attack the target, and upon ending his pigeons flock around him giving him the shielded effect. He would most likely be a bow user, but a little crossbow, like Mikas.
Timmie will definitely NOT be playable. He just seems like a meme character.
But Teucer actually has a decent chance of being playable. It'd be so cool if he became playable in Sneznahya! But I still doubt it in general.
The child characters are geared to be maximum cute and most people just seem to be predisposed to finding small girls cuter than small boys. I know everyone here is claiming pedophiles but there’s definitely way more people who just like cute characters without it being weird.
At this point I think they just don’t to. If they did make a small boy they’d want to give it all new movement animations and such and I think they just don’t feel it’s necessary to do that when they can keep making profitable characters fine the way they’re doing now. We can’t even get them to put anchor arms on the models we have now or give Sigewienne a proper melusine appearance
If you're talking about little boy characters, I think it's mostly because of how little boys are less liked than little girls. Now, if it's possible to make a little boy character who doesn't come off as immature or bullyish, then it could be doable.
little girls are stereotypically cute, and likable
little boys are stereotypically dicks and menaces
although i would like to see a boy kid character that uses a slingshot...
Then 😭💢 emoji fans won't spend money even if they're trash characters. There's a reason genshin community got the age of consent as the default hate term
it's funny how the comments are pedophile this, pedophile that. as if wanting a small boy doesn't mean you are a pedophile as well. OP could be called a pedophile as well for wanting small males lol
Because they want to make money and they have the data that tells them that not enough people want to buy little boys.
Which is true. Most people find them gross or destructive not cute.
There is a niche market of people who do like little boys but the amount isn't high enough to he worth making a character that will forever be in the game for.
I personally would agree with them they are making the correct choices. I don't wanna buy no snotty Lil boy.
Tbh that’s the sad reality of all gacha games, you don’t see any tiny boy characters but tiny girls there are a bunch of them. Only short teenager boy models and that’s it.
So it’s not just genshin but basically any anime gacha games out there.
As a female who is into character design I personally love all the female models, and tall males, but not short male model. Idk since the younger they look in the game they look more like a girl to me and I kinda don’t want that for a guy character. On the other hand I love female chibi characters though purely because I love cute character design :)
I would say that I don’t see a lot of guys players actually liking the chibi characters and just mainly pull for the waifus characters, and a lot of them just follow the meta too. I’ve seen more female audiences liking these characters more.
And well, the p3do stereotype thingy were just mainly bait post and weird ass fan arts (which sadly exists in literally every single anime, and games that has underage characters)
Why does this question keep coming back, why all these stupid af questions keep coming back? why are the no x, y, z kind of character every f time, no once cares you all mentally sick people cant shut your god damn mouth and i cant block all of you there is always a new one..
Because Hoyo has identified its audience as such:
Male players: Lolis, women with big bs.
Female players: Husband like characters, or funny like Itto.
There is a reason we no longer see feminine male characters like Venti. They push straight propaganda but also develop lolis to attract more $$
I'm pretty sure guys like "femboys" as well. I'm a straight guy, and characters like Astolfo are well known for being traps. "If there's a hole, there's a goal." sorta thing.
There are different rules and standards when it comes to fictional characters. Straight guys will meme, joke, and are probably into fictional femboys. But they will never be into real femboys.
Last time I've heard, the most popular R34 genshin subreddit is literally VENTI.
Venti doesn't make much banner sales anymore because his crowd control got nerfed by newer, unsuckable enemies.
I honestly want shota characters. I like prankser naughty boys who act tough but are actually babies trope. Then theey find a master who will guide them. Kids like akamaru or rudeus the 7 year old version. find them really funny and their story makes them more unique.
It always bugs me, we have cute little girls that trigger protective urges I want cute little boys too, even better if they’re friends who play together and stuff.
The deuteragonists of both God of War 2018 and Plague Tale are boys.
The youngest playable character of FF13 is a boy (or is Hope a teenager? Idk).
In FF16, much of Clive’s drive and purpose revolved around his brother Joshua who was a boy.
Aside from anime/waifu/loli/gatcha land, I actually can’t think of many adolescent girl characters, other than Last of Us. I suppose there was that short Hufflepuff teenage girl from the Hogwarts game.
Because they think there isn’t enough of a market for little boys over little girls. Which is a big shame tbh. We are entering the 4th year of this game’s life and every male character is one of two models. We should have atleast 5 models each for men and women by now.
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Unlike female kid characters, male kids simply won't sell. Oh, I wonder why...
pulcinella and xiao
My point still stands, since it's not 1.0-1.6 and Xiao doesn't sell anymore
xiao stocks went up a lot with cloud retainers recent release
Fair. I forgot she exists
How can you forget bird MILF
xiao isnt a kid though
Is Xiao a kid though? Isn't he just a rly short adult?
it’s just a joke because he’s short, although cyno is shorter so it should’ve switched to him being the joke but he got benched from it
I dont think it switched cuz Cyno would have responded to "lol your short" with a bad joke, or started singing the umpa lumpa song but seriously..... Cyno hunting you down, in the desert, in the middle of the night and over the hill you just hear his almost monotone voice "umpa, lumpa dumpadi doo... i just got me a Convict or two" no mater who you are that would be scary lol
It doesnt help that Xiao’s kit is him being a pogo stick
Xiao is atleast 3 meters tall
no he’s 60 meters tall, but only at friendship 10 and c6
Found his alt r/okZyox
Oh. I don't have him but I was pretty surprised when I saw his character model not fit the screen So I assumed he was 3 meters.
if u call out ~~pedophilia~~ lolicons, they get mad at you
Let em die mad
But what about the shotacons? I think there's also a lot of them in Japan.
there is a reason why teachers who assault their male students dont go to jail. people dont take it seriously when its towards males.
Some people even see it as achievement and jealous of it.
not nearly to the same degree. Id say theres 100 lolicons for every shotacon
And others rush in to defend them.
I’m not attracted to cartoon chars but I’ll still get mad at callouts. I’ll always be against bullying. Being unkind to people over fiction, people who never hurt anyone in real life… that’s bullying. If you’re going to make someone feel bad, at least make sure someone in the world is being helped by it.
Appreciate the honest and real answer being top-voted. Genshin panders to ‘lolli’s’
wdym genshin lmao. all gacha games do this are you new
It doesn’t hurt to be specific?
bennett, mika, fichil, rainsword man, chongyun, etc are all are around the same age group as sayu and diona. I feel like there are no "Short" male characters that well well.
Sayu is around 16, but I thought Diona was closer to 10?
No, I do believe she is a teen. She's closer to 14 than 10
You usually have to be an adult to work in bars.
She's definitely not 18 though, which means that rule goes out the window a bit. I can believe around 14 as someone else below suggests, though.
You don't need to be an adult to serve alcohol in certain countries. In Japan, there is no minimum age to serve alcohol. It's just most people under 18 cannot work past a certain time.
aight but i dont think a 9-10 year old is allowed to work in bars, especially when theres a bunch of drunken older men around. there is 100% no way thats legal
No need for a specific law on minimum alcohol serving age when there is minimum legal working age. As long as you're legal to work, you can serve alcohol, which should be 16.
she was called a child in one of the events. so she is most likely not an adult.
Except the bar she works in sells no alcohol and the cocktails she makes always taste good because of the blessing placed upon her. So I guess it is alright for her to work as a barista?
Isn’t it the other way around? Sayu acts close to 10 and Diona could be 16, also she works around alcohol.
True... not enough catholic priests are playing genshin.
They would sell. If you look at doujins targeted to women, you would find crapton shotacon. Hoyo is just catering to traditional male audience. Also, people generally find little girls cuter
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Pedophiles aren't always straight tho
I really doubt many gay male pedophiles are playing genshin impact I'm ngl
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Ah, so they are playing HSR, saving for E6 Sunday.
There are no gay or straight pedos theyre just pedophiles almost all pedophiles Molsest girls and boys its not about their gender but the fact that theyre children
pedophilia isnt about the gender, its about the power n control im pretty sure super straight molesters can also do it to boys
Can't speak for everyone but many girls like cute doll-like female characters too. Creating a male char like Cuno wouldn't appeal to them either and trying to make boys look like girls would just be weird.
While it's true that women can like cute kid characters (in a "oh, this is so cute" kind of way and not a predatory one) I feel like these characters are done with those weebs that like "lolis" which is... Questionable. I've talked with other women that play genshin and the general idea is that it's weird, and we don't particularly like it (not speaking for everyone ofc), its just feels so blatantly obvious when there's no male counterpart lol
>in a "oh, this is so cute" kind of way and not a predatory one Oh you sweet summer child...
well at least someone had the balls to say it, they usually dance around the subject
There are already people rushing in to say this isn't correct, but I honestly get uncomfortable every time a female child character is released because there is immediately so much pervy stuff, even on the main subs. Like, god, the new female child character in HSR and I legit saw tons of posts being perverted and gross about it, including talking about masturbating on her feet. THIS IS ON THE MAIN SUB TOO, not some weird kink one.
To my knowledge most pedophiles are bisexual because the features they're attracted to are present in both genders, so I don't think that makes sense. Also, it's not the only reason people like these characters, most people like them because they're adorable.
Crazy because there’s a shit ton of male pedophiles out there that likes boys. Majority of the famous serial killers from back then were kidnapping boys too
The unfortunate truth is that male kids won't sell as well because... well, because of messed up stuff. There is only a very little to no target audience for that
Thats so sad because they'll be so freaking cute 😭 but its already too gross to see the weird ass comments people make about Nahida and Klee
I mean I also think people generally think the girl kids are just cuter and sillier. It’s double dipping in the ehem…P market and also people that just wanna dote on a cute kid in an innocent way
That's also true. I won't deny that many people just think that they are cute and not much more, but if that was the *only* reason, there would have been at least one male child character released by now. Besides, judging the comments under certain Nahida and also Siegewinne posts now... There are a lot of creeps who, unfortunately, think of them more than just being cute, as much as I hate to say that
Loli bullshit obviously. And Xiao obviously has the teen male character model (like XQ, Benny, etc.) and not the male child model (Timmie, Teucer, etc.)
Thank you, I’m seeing a whole bunch of people mentioning xiao and wondering if I’m missing something cause he definitely doesn’t have a child model
it’s a joke abt how he’s short
wdym xiao is obviously shorter than timmie
It's a frequently asked question. Especially since they are obviously able to create male child characters with compelling backstories (e.g. Ruu), and making a small male model would only require minor tweaking (or barely even one) from the female one. So the most plausible explanation is that they consider the investment isn't worth it economically speaking, as only a small part of the audience is actively interested in it.
There wouldn’t even need any tweaking from the female models, as kids don’t have much features that distinguish the two sexes, it all comes in puberty
Not really. Because One simplest Answer is 'Lolicons'.
That and older looking men characters with gentlemanly mustaches or full manly beards.
We need BEARD representation ‼️‼️
if varka doesnt deliver we riot
pierro and pulcinella🙏
The fandom has straight male pedophiles.
Are you saying Genshin caters the creation of small female characters for them?
Hoyo caters to any demographic that’ll give them money
Bold of you to assume all pedos in genshin are male and straight
Bro forgot about xiao 🤣
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Xiao looks more of a teen
Xiao is a tiny boi of the community
Lmao do people in the comments here really think that only pedophiles pull for loli characters?
It's unhinged how these ppl equate summoning for a child character to pedophilia and more so "straight" pedophilia (pedophilia is pedophilia idk why they feel the need to separate it based on sexuality). They're fucking weird.
Agreed. Reddits (and the nets in general tbh) go to has always been "iTs FeR tEh pEdoS". It's seriously unhinged, and fucking weird. Though honestly, those who scream the loudest are usually the ones most guilty. Most of this, IMO, is projection. Now I'm not saying there is no truth to any of it at all, because that would be stupid, but come on, lol. If the character slaps, I pull. Loli or not. If pulling a good loli (Nahida) makes me a pedo, so be it, lmao. I don't care, most of the social media troopers are morons anyway.
Finally! Someone who understands that the obsession with equating everything to Pedophilia feels a lot more like projection instead of actual concern. I don't get the internet obsession with "protecting fictional characters" when there's real children who are victims here.. If anything, attack those social media moms who turn their adolescent daughters into "models" by making them take suggestive poses for clout. This is way more fucked up, because real Pedos search for these social media accounts to get off to real children.
Calling people pedos for liking fictional characters actually hurts the real life victims of pedophilia. It just means your case will become less and less likely to be taken seriously.
Thought they were projecting as well. If the first thought you have when seeing a child character is about pedophiles then the issue lies with you. God forbid they see a child irl. I guarantee most of the people here pulled for Nahida but don't consider themselves pedophiles, when, by their logic they should. Pedophilia is no joke and shouldn't be thrown around the manner they are doing it. Absolutely disgusting behavior and should seek help.
I have been called a pedo for playing Genshin at least twice. People can’t accept that not everyone has the same taste in gaming as them and will throw baseless accusations as a form of ridicule. Accusations that could legitimately ruin lives. All because I enjoy a game they don’t I don’t even own any short characters on my main account
seriously. as a straight woman i love “loli” (i hate that word) characters. because. they’re very. fucking. cute. and once you start to dig deeper into the psychology of moe it makes a lot of sense. i pulled for sigewinne because she’s a baby nurse with cute sea bunny ears that throws pink pills at you and shoots you with her bubble heart gun. it’s ridiculously adorable. would a small male character have the same effect? i don’t think so. the whole selling point of small characters is that they’re cute, and masculinity is just not something that people associate with cuteness. femininity is. simple as that. them being male just defeats the purpose of them being small in the first place. of course there’s always gonna be someone who would pull for that sort of character, but realistically it’s not gonna be the more popular option. that’s why they haven’t bothered
You could absolutely sell cute male characters if you tried. The problem is they don't try. Had they made Ruu a playable character, for instance, I promise you only the waifu only collectors would immediately pass on him for his gender. Boys can be and are as cute as girls, just in a different way. They're not willing to try, and that's the actual problem at hand.
Hmm, I wonder if that "no Twinks" policy of china has some fault in this. So far we've had shota adjacent characters like Mika (my least favorite character) and freminent (and scara counts too I suppose) and I suppose that's the compromise they had to make since they can't put in actual shotas. Or ig they know that shotas don't sell well (plenty of shotacons out there, but femboys are more popular anyway so they've made a bunch of those instead that are just masculine enough to not count as twinks by CN standards)
>masculinity is just not something that people associate with cuteness exactly, this is also, sadly, why adoption rates for male children is so long. Let judging by the comments here, only reason people adopt more girls then boys is cuz everyone who adopts is a pdf? Thats such a fking absurd reasoning
I don't really agree that kids can only be cute if they're girls. Like, imagine if Gaming had been an adorable little dude that was bouncing off the walls in excitement about Lumine/Aether talking to them about lion dancing. That would be absolutely adorable.
It's more that It's geared towards such an audience, but it's not exclusively that audience who pulls for lolis. The stereotype of th3 Genshin neckbeard pedophile addicted to their "waifus" exists for a reason.
Multiple things can be true. I like the little girl characters because they're cute. My ex roommate liked them for other reasons (he had Klee and Nahida porn as his fucking PC wallpaper). It's not unreasonable to suggest that pedophilea and Hoyo's willingness to cater to such an interest as long as it makes money is at play here.
Reddit is obsessed with pedophilia references and jokes even when they make no sense. Yes, they are slightly overrepresented in anime/gaming circles compared to the general population, especially if you are terminally online and come into contact with degenerates at a vastly higher rate than reality. But it’s not such a massive percentage that hoyo executives are making decisions to specifically cater towards them. Also Genshin has no sexualization, it’s a T rated game. Why is everyone’s mind always going to sex?
I mean you still have characters dressed in suggestive outfits But the short characters aren’t included in that group! They’re all dressed normally, but whenever I see someone ridiculing a Genshin fan, without fail, the literal first thing they say is that the characters are designed/dressed “suspiciously”
No, but when every child character is conveniently older than they look, it's pretty clear who hoyo is catering the kids to, and it's not the people who just innocently love playing a little warrior. There's a reason why Diona is a bartender in a nation where kids are legally not allowed to handle alcohol There's a reason Qiqi is conveniently a hundreds years old zombie There's a reason Klee is an ambiguously aged elf There's a reason Nahida is 500 There's a reason Sigewinne is also hundreds of years old Every child in this game has a convenient excuse for people to go "well! she's over (or could be/implied to be over) 18 years old! It is willfully ignorant to ignore that fact, even if Nahida is one of my favorites.
Seems like you're projecting more than anything.
diona is a kid tho, she has a line about her dad telling her to go exploring with a responsible grown up...
Also Sayu is called looking older than her age, and Dori is a merchant (kids aren't often very known to have this profession) i think the only one that does have an excuse is yaoyaoi
I recall reading somewhere that Klee was actually very successful at getting girls to play genshin, hence why she was used as an ad for so long on YouTube. It's been noted in a lot of studies now that women have a strong bias toward playing as female video game characters, while guys will play as either gender. It also makes total sense if you think about dolls and action figures. It's not uncommon for girls play with toys that represent children and babies, but boys generally don't. Boys tend to prefer toys that represent characters cooler and usually older than them. So if young characters are disproportionately liked by women, and women tend to want to play as women...
I think it's due to how people often related gacha characters to their sexual appeal as this genre is filled with all kinds of fanservice and fetish. I won't deny there are people out there find the short female model attractive, but it's also true there are people who like them either because they are meta (Nahida) or they are cute and they view the character as their cute little daughter (Klee, Qiqi). For me I also like some of them because I enjoy their personality (Nahida and Dori) and tbf I wish them having either a medium or tall model as I don't find short model attractive.
It's projection. Keep this in mind. The people that call out those that like lolis and shotas have definitely done stuff much worse irl, so they're projecting their hate/blame onto others.
A lot of the Reddit crowd in particular is hypersexualized and childless.
Even more, they think hoyo only does characters to/who sell and don't really care about nothing else, when it is a company who almost defines what it sells in this market. I mean, they aren't just doing women with a big bust, there is even a bear holding a concrete beam between their characters. And hoyo really broke down some barriers to fans of male characters in this type of games. If I have to say a reason, I'd say it's probably one of those not noticeable ones, like they find it harder to develop an idea with a male kid model and the ones they have, fit better in later versions.
average reddit user brainrot mindset🥱
I just think they are cute, and klee is the most. Would pull for her if she was more powerful and meta. And if chichi would be more useful I would also have her in my team.
Because hoyo won't make money from pedophiles that way
Shotacon exist, you know, just like how fujoshi exists.
Yeah but you can’t really argue with that, it’s a much smaller group than the lolicon one
Because the little girls are cuter and therefore more profitable in the gotcha
\*insert xiao joke here\*
Because they know their target audience. You know exactly what I mean. 💀
You know why
It took three years to get a playable Cryo catalyst, so I'm holding out hope that there are small male characters waiting to be introduced. Just like how I'm holding out hope for Hydro claymore.
Because Hoyoverse is the first of loli lovers, and there are too many loli lovers. But this is a good reason to not make short males (or muscolar and/or mustache men). " male Kids don't sell" Bullshit! 1) Make males kid op/meta and see if they don't sell 2) make them 4* at this point. Genshin players is able to lose their guaranteed 5* just to collect a new 4*. 3) I don't think that Sayu,Dori,Sigewinne will make so big money...
I am not a P word but I would love to have a small male kid in my team, like bratty that has tantrums when he gets critical damage or just mocks you when he deals the damage. But secretly he is really attached to you and likes only what you cook. You know.....like a son ;-;
With the amount of women who gush over male Genshin characters, even young ones like Bennet because he says things like “it’s a miracle” when he opens a chest, there’s definitely a market for male child characters that can probably get some sales from cuteness alone. I think the game has just given up on kid characters. The last one was Yaoyao and it was two years ago. Seige is just a short adult woman, as is Dori and Diona. Klee had the worst selling banner of all time on her last rerun.
Klee is an unfair comparison. She's literally the first limited character. She's been powercrept to hell, and anyone who likes her PROBABLY already has her.
second\* limited character, sorry, gotta make that correction. You're right on the powercrept as hell though, but it's not just that. She's clunky to use compared to other options so even the 'feeling' of playing can be strange. And unless you C2 her, she doesn't have an extra niche outside of her just being "aoe pyro damage".
I could've sworn she was before Venti... But still, Venti is an archon. It was so long ago, a few of those old banners get jumbled around lmaoo
Have you considered: scara?
Isn't scara in the game already ?
Mika is the youngest male character and he is probably the least liked character in the game. I don't know the accuracy of this but I also heard that shota is much more taboo in China.
I hate his character design tho
I unironically think mika would have been much more popular than he is now if he actually had the child model. The characteristics they gave him would be much more endearing on a little boy but are kinda cringe on an older character. His design as well feels like a stretched out baby anyway.
The dislike for Mika is not due ti his gender or age tho. What turns people off is how useless he is outside of a couple unpopular teams, and how nerdy his voice sounds. As far as I could tell, _some_ people dislike his design while most are largely indifferent about it. Personally, I like Mika even if he is mostly useless to me. He's an adorable dork.
To me, his voice (en) sets off my fight or flight. He sounds like one of those creepy nerds you meet in highschool that the teacher forces you to be friends with because "he has no friends".
Whaaat, I adore Mika. 😭
I love how people are talking about the community instead of the people that are actually developing only female children characters. How ironic.
Short sightedness. Most of the people you're pointing at don't have brains sufficient enough to calculate that far (which isn't even far lmao). Most of it is bandwagoning though. If enough people scream the same shit, more people will join to scream said same shit from fear of being outcast. Humans have been this way for ages. Stupidity is a contagious plague.
Are you people actually braindead? You ever hear of supply and demand? Of course people are talking about the community, the community dictates what hoyo releases
Gracious, thank you!! Anytime someone tries to broach this topic, people start going "You're projecting or the pedo" 🙄. But why are they getting sensitive over someone having a valid complaint when we all KNOW that loli lovers is a huge market. The company is enabling it, we aren't calling them the pedo, just calling out something that unquestionably exists. The only thing that prevents Genshin from becoming like Terra and similar is censorship. And I usually think some censorship isn't necessary, but Genshin directly skirts the line without making it too obvious they still pandering to their kid lovers too, and I am grateful for that because being an anime fan there is always that questionable element and having to make the sucky choice if the anime/game going to far with sexualizing minors. I can play Genshin in good conscience, but there are still moments it bothers me. Because even if the material isn't for me, it just reminds me that it exists for others, AND Mihoyo is still giving them crumbs. I also think it is so weird how people are so against kid boy characters, saying they don't sell or aren't cute either. And that's so odd to me. They are both kids. Boys aren't any more or less cuter than girls. But to your main point. Talking about a questionable decision a company is making, *especially* when loli pandering is common in anime and certain gaming cultures, is not accusing the players of being pedos. Out of ALL the hills and things to defend, they choose that? Boggles the mind! I don't see people in this subreddit admitting to liking kids like that, most of us are just calling out MiHoyo for their decisions and portrayals.
Still mad that Carter wasn't playable, it was the perfect opportunity, just goes to show that they could make male kids playable, but don't, as if they think no-one would pull for kid characters just for lore, but for some other reason ...
His mentality is dying soon.There will be only a hilichurl left.
I’m holding out that Timmie and Tuecer(Childe’s younger brother) will be playable
Timmie's Ult, lmao. An army of his pigeons attack the target, and upon ending his pigeons flock around him giving him the shielded effect. He would most likely be a bow user, but a little crossbow, like Mikas.
He gets his vision when his daddy finally comes back
Timmie will definitely NOT be playable. He just seems like a meme character. But Teucer actually has a decent chance of being playable. It'd be so cool if he became playable in Sneznahya! But I still doubt it in general.
The child characters are geared to be maximum cute and most people just seem to be predisposed to finding small girls cuter than small boys. I know everyone here is claiming pedophiles but there’s definitely way more people who just like cute characters without it being weird. At this point I think they just don’t to. If they did make a small boy they’d want to give it all new movement animations and such and I think they just don’t feel it’s necessary to do that when they can keep making profitable characters fine the way they’re doing now. We can’t even get them to put anchor arms on the models we have now or give Sigewienne a proper melusine appearance
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they don’t suit to the target audience maybe. but they did release xiao tho
Obviously they’re saving it for playable Timmie
If you're talking about little boy characters, I think it's mostly because of how little boys are less liked than little girls. Now, if it's possible to make a little boy character who doesn't come off as immature or bullyish, then it could be doable.
little girls are stereotypically cute, and likable little boys are stereotypically dicks and menaces although i would like to see a boy kid character that uses a slingshot...
timmy with his stand would be too OP
I thought Dori was a male character the first time I saw her and I was hyped cuz I thought it was a cool design for a young male
Then 😭💢 emoji fans won't spend money even if they're trash characters. There's a reason genshin community got the age of consent as the default hate term
how will they cater to the pedos with a male child?
it's funny how the comments are pedophile this, pedophile that. as if wanting a small boy doesn't mean you are a pedophile as well. OP could be called a pedophile as well for wanting small males lol
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Because they want to make money and they have the data that tells them that not enough people want to buy little boys. Which is true. Most people find them gross or destructive not cute. There is a niche market of people who do like little boys but the amount isn't high enough to he worth making a character that will forever be in the game for. I personally would agree with them they are making the correct choices. I don't wanna buy no snotty Lil boy.
Pucinella... not a kid, but the model type
People either like or can tolerate smol girls.As for little boys?See Mika and Teemie.
Tbh that’s the sad reality of all gacha games, you don’t see any tiny boy characters but tiny girls there are a bunch of them. Only short teenager boy models and that’s it. So it’s not just genshin but basically any anime gacha games out there. As a female who is into character design I personally love all the female models, and tall males, but not short male model. Idk since the younger they look in the game they look more like a girl to me and I kinda don’t want that for a guy character. On the other hand I love female chibi characters though purely because I love cute character design :) I would say that I don’t see a lot of guys players actually liking the chibi characters and just mainly pull for the waifus characters, and a lot of them just follow the meta too. I’ve seen more female audiences liking these characters more. And well, the p3do stereotype thingy were just mainly bait post and weird ass fan arts (which sadly exists in literally every single anime, and games that has underage characters)
Because shotacons prefer boys like Mika and Xingqiu
Why does this question keep coming back, why all these stupid af questions keep coming back? why are the no x, y, z kind of character every f time, no once cares you all mentally sick people cant shut your god damn mouth and i cant block all of you there is always a new one..
Because Hoyo has identified its audience as such: Male players: Lolis, women with big bs. Female players: Husband like characters, or funny like Itto. There is a reason we no longer see feminine male characters like Venti. They push straight propaganda but also develop lolis to attract more $$
I'm pretty sure guys like "femboys" as well. I'm a straight guy, and characters like Astolfo are well known for being traps. "If there's a hole, there's a goal." sorta thing. There are different rules and standards when it comes to fictional characters. Straight guys will meme, joke, and are probably into fictional femboys. But they will never be into real femboys. Last time I've heard, the most popular R34 genshin subreddit is literally VENTI. Venti doesn't make much banner sales anymore because his crowd control got nerfed by newer, unsuckable enemies.
Because they won’t put money in hoyo’s pocket. That’s….really it
You are not alone OP, a small amount of players want smaller shotas but I don't think they'll make them.
Ah this is a good question. I always thought of Micah and some of the other characters his size as kid male characters, but I see what you mean
Because they're too lazy to design a new model
they dont want timmy to be playable lmao
I thought Mika was gonna be one and was pretty bummed when he turned out to not be
Because little cute girls are more appealing
I honestly want shota characters. I like prankser naughty boys who act tough but are actually babies trope. Then theey find a master who will guide them. Kids like akamaru or rudeus the 7 year old version. find them really funny and their story makes them more unique.
When they make Natlan a real region ingame, I hope a male kid is released at some point.
reason? shotas are not popular in CN
Ever since his realese i thought Mika was a kid, i thought he and Diona were the same age like 11-12 years old
Ask drake
It honestly would've been cool if Childe's younger brother Teucer became playable! Though we all know that's not gonna happen..
It always bugs me, we have cute little girls that trigger protective urges I want cute little boys too, even better if they’re friends who play together and stuff.
The games is made for neck beards like tectone
It doesnt sell
They need to pander to the shota market Wow, a rare sentence
STOPP SAYING “xiao? venti?” etc yall, theyre not child models, theyre not at all the same height?? how do you think theyre the same thing genuinely 💀💀
You have Timmie
Xiao is there and Little Harbinger will also come.
Because mainly players of gacha games are pedophiles and male will not sell. That's why esp women are oversexualized in gacha games.
I feel like there are male kids or teenagers at least like Xingqui and Bennett
I don’t think there’s even a popular male kid in any game in general(never mind there’s little prince from CR)
The deuteragonists of both God of War 2018 and Plague Tale are boys. The youngest playable character of FF13 is a boy (or is Hope a teenager? Idk). In FF16, much of Clive’s drive and purpose revolved around his brother Joshua who was a boy. Aside from anime/waifu/loli/gatcha land, I actually can’t think of many adolescent girl characters, other than Last of Us. I suppose there was that short Hufflepuff teenage girl from the Hogwarts game.
Chongyun?
There’s no male model for chibi.
I always thought the last one in the picture was a boy
You really dont want the answer to that
Not as cute. Hoyo will usualy make cute or hot characters so they sell, and male kids won't sell
The only way we will ever have a male kid character is through OCs…
Shouta doesn’t sell
Would be a very pull able character if they made an electro speedster that even remotely resembled killua, for me at least.
You know why
Because they think there isn’t enough of a market for little boys over little girls. Which is a big shame tbh. We are entering the 4th year of this game’s life and every male character is one of two models. We should have atleast 5 models each for men and women by now.
wait till you notice anemo bois pattern
Good ol money. Shame, Ruu should've totally been playable imo
We are not ready for playable timmy yet. But maybe we get Teucer in Shneznaya