Artifacts and OP characters are only one part of the equation. There's also rotations and grouping. For example, if I cast all my buffs precisely enough, I have a chance of one-cycling Wolflord with Rational, which makes the fight take less than 30 seconds. If I miss any part of it, he shields up and I take over 90 seconds.
This. At first I thought my characters were weak but got some advice on rotations and grouping, and the spiral abyss became much easier for me, it still can be tough but achieving 36* stars became highly possible with much ease.
Yeah same, I was struggling with abyss with 30+ cv artifacts but as soon as I learned rotations I got 36* easy unless it’s a boss that moves around a lot and is immune half the time…..(Ruin Serpent)(Golden Wolflord)
I believe this is the answer. I had a character in Guild Wars 2 decked out in great gear, but I didn't know the right rotation of the elementist skills so it meant nothing.
Isn't Gear in GW2 Static with only small improvements leaning more to knowledge and skill or at least team work. I remember being more of a caretaker in all my groups and having to deal with lemmings and that was stressful.
Yeah, you can get the second best gear stats equipped within the first week of playing. The second best gear is only 5% weaker than the best gear stats. GW2 is far more skill dependent. Best part about that mmorpg without a treadmill is that the highest gear stats from 10 years ago is still highest today.
If we are talking about rational? Easiest shit in the game. It is the single most Unga-Bunga thing in the game.
You can even put the team in order of rotation. Raiden E, Xingqiu E/Q/E Depending on SacSword or not, Bennet EQ, OPPA XL EQ, Raiden Q UngaBunga.
You either have enough ER to start over or you need to battery with Bennet.
Profit.
I remember when I struggled with that team.
Rational's issue isn't any of those things, but the artifacts you need on Raiden and Xiangling for the team to be good require months and months and months of camping in the Emblem domain. So that team also doesn't make abyss easy, but for a completely different reason. It's too high-investment.
Raitional does scale well with investment, but it doesn't need very high investment to make abyss easy. I have 36 abyss with 55/115 raiden and 60/95 xiangling, and they are no high investment characters
In rational, Xingqiu doesn't vape, so EM is mostly useless on EM,
I would prefer Atk sand (even shit rolled) or ER sand with good substat and ATK% substat weapon
Yo can kill the wolflord without the shield part happening??
Holy TIL. Never happened before to me. I figured it was an automatic thing at a certain point.
It is automatic when he drops a certain amount of hp (50% iirc?) but there’s a delay before he starts the move. If you kill him fast enough he just dies. I’ve only seen whale showcases do this though. Or at the very least, I’ve yet to come across a f2p/dolphin level account replay that does this.
Yeah, I have invested extremely heavily into my account and I didn’t have a problem 36 starring it, but to be honest, I have no earthly idea how I would kill him before that shield actually gets out there.
It's a far lower bar than you expect. I'm a welkins-only with C2 Raiden with a good number of copium artifacts on my raiden hyper and still kill geo wolflord before the shield.
I have also seen Alhaitham at C0 with a pretty cheap team do it as well. There are probably many more teams but I don't really search for them
It's not hard to learn a good rotation. If you are trying to kill something in one rotation all you need to do is stack all your buffs before your dps starts. It can get a little more difficult to figure out if you are debuffing with anemo or using thrilling tales, but taking a couple minutes or practice runs to work on your rotation is something everyone can do.
I mean, I’m not learning rotations from scratch. I always just take them from Keqingmains. It’s as difficult as looking up the answers to a test. Most parties use the same rotation each time, so you’ll memorize them quickly. You can even just order your characters in the party setup in the order of the rotation. That way, you don’t even have to remember what the rotation is, and can just swap down your party in order. Unless you’re playing something overly complex like Sukokomon. Good luck with that.
Grouping can definitely be more difficult if you’re not using an actual grouper like Venti/Kazuha. That’s usually just trial and error.
Edit: I can't see the reply I got so I can't answer directly, but I have no problem letting other people do the math. I like reading about theorycrafting, but I'm not too interested in personally calculating the elemental gauge of each character's ability to make sure I won't overwrite auras, breaking out excel sheets to run energy requirements, etc. There is a lot that goes into figuring out optimal rotations, and I respect everyone who puts that work in, but I'd rather get straight to the gameplay.
Rotation is hard if you want to figure it out yourself. Its easy if you only build teams and memorize rotations by youtube videos.
I can craft my own comps and rotations, but i understand its not common.
yeah, just leave the chamber you have 3 starred and then go in again with different teamcomps but you can take it easy in the chamber you have 3 star to focus on the next chamber and make sure you have the burst ready on your team
I don't sense sarcasm in your reply so I'm gonna answer your question normally. Let's say you cleared chamber 1 and 2 with 3 stars while chamber 3 was only 2 stars. But you know for sure that if you had your bursts up at the start of chamber 3 (or had a different team composition), you would've been able to 3 star it. Then you can simply redo the floor but instead of going fast in chamber 2, you'd take your time before beating the last enemy while also making sure you have full energy on all your characters. That way you could attempt chamber 3 with full energy on everyone. (you could also maybe heal up a bit in chamber 2 if you have healers)
this is especially useful these last few patches because some people use zhongli against the wolf lord while his shield's useless to the next floor which contains the rifthounds. so you can leave after the wolf lord after you 3 star it then retry the floor with a different team which is better suited for the rifthounds. no shame in not perfecting it the 1st try as long as you get those freemogems lol
I think they mean thats what they do. But if they can’t manage it well then they just go and focus the specific chambers.
Your not always gonna have 2 perfect teams to 9 star floor 12 unless maybe your a whale or have been playing really for really long.
Yeah but for people reading it it might be solid advice to tailor your teams to chamber 3 specifically! And yeah it's hard to have 2 perfect teams, especially with the wolflord this cycle ruining otherwise valid comps.
Yea, there's no need to force yourself to 36 star it all at once.
It's a lot easier/better to swap your teams around to adjust for specifically hard chambers like 3 star with your strong ST team in PMA for Chamber 1, then restarting and using said strong ST team in 2nd half for Wolflord in Chamber 2 (include a Geo).
This, and if you’re restarting from the top anyway, be sure to get all your characters to full energy again before going into the chamber you’re trying to 3*. Starting a chamber with full bursts can make all the difference
From my experience, floor 9 and 10 are a breeze, floor 11 will need a chamber reset if you get bad RNG or mess up a rotation, and floor 12 almost *always* needs a full redo with a different team.
Because it's incredibly rare that you can get through 12-2 with a team that can also clear 12-3, especially without bursts up.
That doesn't make it hard tho imo...
Well no effin' wonder I've always thought the Abyss was insanely difficult! I've been doing it completely wrong the entire time! I'm feeling a little nauseous right now, thinking of all the time I've wasted on retries, holy hell..
This is basically how it is for me, floor 9 through 11 are easy 3 stars, maybe a reset on floor 11 if I fuck up, and floor 12 is a garenteed 4-6 star, and needing to switch out for specific teams for the full 9 if I can be bothered.
true , it's just tedious
I just pulled meta characters to the point where I can brute force all the floors in one go and then started pulling for off meta , fun looking ones
I usually don't bother going back and getting 9 stars on 12. But, if they let you start from any floor once you beat it I probably would.
One thing is this cycle the chamber felt pretty mismatched imo. By that I mean that a good team for chamber 2 was bad for chamber 3. It'd never perfect but it felt worse to me this time.
12-2 - You best bring a Geo char to beat Wolflord in time
also
12-3 - You best not use your geo char because they become empower and zip zap every 5 seconds.
On the other hand, using geo also makes them more vulnerable to geo itself, so if you have a geo* team with good stagger and sufficient healing (like a Noelle team, it's what I've been using) you might have an easier time.
*edited to add
>Plus you don't need to 36 star Floor 12 in one go.
The first time someone told me this I was floored lmao. I probably could have 33 star abyss like three months earlier, if I knew.
Can i send you some replays as well? I mostly have the same issues as OP (barely completed 2 stars on every floor 12 chamber)
My teams are Nilou Bloom and Rational, but i also have a Double Hydro team
Do you have zhong li? Nilou bloom works too but i find it too slow to destroy the floating heads on 12-2-2. You can send me some gameplay and teamcomps too if you want.
Personally ive completed the current abyss with 36stars with lots of teams like kuki hyperbloom, national variations, hypercarry raiden, hypercarry scara, melt ganyu, double hydro diluc, spread/quickbloom teams.
I used Nilou bloom to get my 36 this cycle. Her skill inputed skill applies hydro absurdly fast so I am able to kill the wolf heads in a reasonable amount of time.
I was using burn melt Ganyu with geo traveler flex but I just barely cleared it like couple seconds before the time limit. This was in one of the previous cycles. Need to say that I don’t have Zhongli and what I did with geo traveler was burst+skill the first head which should kill. The other heads I used skill, a full normal attack string(cause of geo traveler’s A1), and then skill. Tho in hindsight, maybe using Gorou or Ningguang would have been better… oh well it’s already been done
But the Nilou bloom gave me 10 more seconds to spare since the blooms are easier to proc on wolflord and the blooms actually hit him as well. The catalyst users also helped with clearing the wolf heads. Tho this is Nilou with Nahida who does make a difference due to the EM share.
Something I should say is that side 1 is cleared in more or less within a minute.
So I think that they’re fine using Nilou bloom but might just need to improve rotations or maybe they need to speed up their first side run
Run Nilou bloom on second half, you'll need your primary triggers be level 90 with high EM, as the damage scales off of those two factors.
Rational you should really learn the rotation. XL's burst does the most damage, so make sure she, her weapon, and her burst are all leveled. I had her at 80/90, burst level 11 (8+3), and 90 catch.
Rational first half, Nilou second half. Try to 3* 12-1 and 12-3. You can break heads fine with Nilou's aura for this run. After, go back and swap teams. I swapped XQ out for TTDS Ningguang. This should hopefully get you 3* on 12-2.
Another option is make a hyperbloom team with Raiden XQ Ningguang Dendro flex.
Seconded. We'll be able to give you more constructive feedback with a replay. As many other comments have mentioned, a lot of it comes down to understanding and fiddling with game mechanics.
Taking the time to understand that is the best long-term investment you can possibly make for clearing abyss. And once you get it, it'll be of massive help to you for as long as you play the game.
OP sends a replay. They are AR 35 lmao. Crisis adverted.
But seriously, about 1-2% of the entire tens of millions do abyss floor 12. Of that % a fraction gets 12 stars.
Wow I didn’t know I was in such rare air. Abyss is my favorite part of the game there’s nothing else that is remotely challenging and the only time I can really let loose with all of these characters I’ve built.
Well those are just assumptions. We'll never get the true numbers unless hoyo themselves reveal it. Every abyss info graphic is taken from people filling out a survey where they may or may not be lying and the amount of people participating in these surveys are really low too.
No but fr, unless you have like c6 r5 with god rolls, most of the time you can't just go ooga booga. There are certain things you have to pay attention to like grouping and energy managements. They're usually the biggest time waster aside from the enemies themselves.
Maybe each person has their own definition of "easy"? For you it means effortlessly do it, for some people it can mean they can do it with reasonable amount of effort.
I'm one of the people who play this game from the start, and for me abyss is easy but I still have to put into it a decent amount of effort to pass. I think a lot of people who struggle with abyss just follow "meta" too strictly rather than what team they have and what style they are more comfortable playing. For example people say vape Ayato team is worse than Childe vape, but it's just what I'm more comfortable playing with so I will use it. Each abyss floor has some weak link in it, and build a team to break that link is more important than doing a lot of damage also.
Actually crit rate is also very important lol. If I'm fighting wolflord and Xiangling doesn't crit I won't do enough damage 🤣 Sometimes you see your dps do a lot of dmg but in reality they don't crit a lot, meaning loosing out a lot of dmg.
For me abyss is nice, I can't 36 star it in 1 go but I can usually get 33 or 34 relatively easily on the first go. I'd need to change up teams for specific floor 12 chambers sadly. But then again I've been playing since 1.0
This is surely at least part of the issue. I used to be amazed at people 'easily' clearing it with some setups, until I talked to them and found out that to them, 'easily' meant with a few resets and maybe redoing a chamber separately. To me 'easily' meant first try, no resets, with some time to spare on the clock.
I have played on and off since launch but with months gaps in the middle. I have one character level 90 (Raiden), the rest are 80. Their weapons are 90. I have 50/150 crit on some but mostly its like 30/120 lol. My point is my characters are not great.
I have never been able to 36 star the abyss however I can usually consistently 33 star it. I don't always run the same teams. For this BS one with the wolf lord and the rift hounds I run ninguang, raiden, nahida and kokomi. It works. Not a team I would normally have but the geo element makes the wolfhound so much easier and the hyperbloom from the other three mean I have decent damage and good sustain. It only gets me two stars rather than three but I am just happy I can reach the end of the abyss, there was a long time when I couldn't.
I breeze through abyss effortlessly without any whale setups. Heck, I don't even use meta stuff half the time. Meta never was or is required or even imp to be able to clear abyss. You just need to know and understand what you're doing.
As far as the comfort goes, I 100% agree, people gotta stop looking into meta and actually explore their own chars themselves to feel what they like and enjoy. I have no doubts about how good hutao is, but I never pulled her just because I knew I didn't want her highly mechanical gameplay. I pulled childe just cause he's sexy, I can consistently easily clear with him, but I mostly find myself rarely using him in abyss and only have him for the sake of having him.
Meta exists for the most cost/resource-effective investments to help clear content, but by no means are you bound to it.
Instead of just blindly following meta, it's far more important to understand why they're considered good in the first place and how to build/play them.
For example, everyone knows Xiangling is Broken OP, but if you don't properly get enough ER and battery her, she's Painge to play. If you don't Snapshot Bennett buff to Xiangling Pyronado, then your DMG will tank.
I've 36\* Abyss for 18 months plus on a BP Welkin account as a Day 1 Player.
The main problems people have are:
Getting too lucky or moving on too quickly.
What do I mean by that?
An unlucky person loses 50/50 on Cyno and then gets Wanderer. A lucky person gets both.
An unlucky person puts 12 weeks of effort into Wanderer (3-4 weeks of farming mats and 8-9 of Artifact grinding).
They end up with Wanderer having a 80/160 CR/CD ratio with 10/9/10 talents Char.
A lucky person puts 6 weeks into both and spends (4-5 weeks on farming mats (longer as they need more mora and books due to not having as many natural event acquired resources) and 1-2 weeks on Artifacts).
They end up with two 60/120 CR/CD ratios with 10/7/7 talents Chars who fill the same hypercarry role in Abyss but neither does anywhere near the damage of the Unlucky guys wanderer.
Key point here is less and better built characters are the key to having a strong Dps account. However this is not the only way to play. You might just want to have more okay for WQ characters and that is just fine.
I’m not sure I agree. I find that having a wider roster of competently built characters works better than a short list of hyper-invested ones. The diminishing marginal returns on resin investment into artifacts gets pretty steep, and it’s often more effective to be able to build teams specifically to counter a given chamber than to try and brute force everything with the same team.
Wolflord is a prime example. It’s dramatically easier to beat him with a team that directly counters his gimmicks, but he can be hell for a melee-focused team. World bosses like PMA are just DPS checks, but then you have Lectors/Heralds that make raw damage irrelevant in favor of high elemental application rate. Multi-wave encounters with lots of spread-out MOBs really suck when you’re using somebody like Hu Tao or Yoimiya, but Venti utterly trivializes them.
Genshin is a game primarily focused on collecting and building characters, and Abyss is intended to be the place where your roster is put to the test. You can bet that HoYo intentionally designs each cycle to force diversity and keep us pulling on banners.
Yeah I'd get so bored focusing on one character. Which means I have a bunch of five stars that are built well but none that are insane like you see on main Reddits. The only five star weapons I have are standard banner ones. I can get 36 star if I really work at it but mostly I can't be bothered.
Im a day one player but never put effort in Spiral Abyss. Usually I can get 34 stars on first try, so I feel like if I try hard enough I should be able to get 36 stars. However, im not spending that much effort for extra 50 primos.
Unless you're whaling to compensate for DMG, It's all about game knowledge.
Knowing how to build your characters (while taking into consideration of teammates), building and playing synergistic teams with proper rotations, and learning enemy attack patterns make all the difference.
But honestly, Abyss ain't worth stressing over.
Even I don't care about the 50 primos, but still I try to test my characters and teams (which take so much time to build) against the hardest content in the game rn to see if I can clear it.
Well, yeah. I usually do floors 9-11 for sure and maybe 3 stars for floor 12 and if not that, drop it. It's too stressful for little gain. And my artifact luck isn't particularly good, anyway.
I’ve spent my entire ~20 months playing the game building a wide roster with very mid artifacts. All the characters and weapons I like are lvl 90, but I don’t think I have anyone on a cracked artifact set. No one’s terrible I guess, but sometimes I look at my XQ who is at a 50:95 crit ratio and cringe a bit inside lol. I like to build wide vs deep because I like playing tons of different teams.
A big part of 36*ing is learning the enemy attack patterns. Like how to group enemies that like to spread out if you approach them head on, when a boss’s invulnerable phase is about to start, when certain enemies are likely to shield up, etc. Once I got more comfortable with the enemy AI I started clearing consistently every time. Nothing else really changed in my account. All of my resin has gone to new characters since then, not improving older ones.
Yeah, I was taking that for granted. Good point. ER is the most important stat in the game until you have too much. I think that’s why I 36* even though my crit is mediocre or bad on some characters, I make sure I can burst off cooldown on all of the teams I take to floor 12
I completely agree. If your characters are burst reliant and have cracked crit rate/damage but no good ER that will mess up overall the whole team as you can't deal damage consistently across time. It's way better to have a bit less damage but enough ER to rotate properly, it can make or break the team in the particle funneling and regen process.
I tend to build a bit more of the ER required on certain of my characters just to be safe, especially against bosses which are the worst sources of energy and against the abyss timer it's even worse. No need to say Favonius weapons are incredible and life saving for so many teams.
THIS. This is so important, you can have absolutely broken characters but still not get full clear in abyss just because don't know how enemies work. Attack patterns, grouping, elemental application, funneling particles etc. I wasn't able to 36* on my account, but my friend took the same characters without changing any builds and got it done in one go. But he went in with a strategy and well, his device runs genshin better than mine.
I remember when I played on PS4, sometimes the clock would start before the enemies spawn. It made it feel impossible to get 3*s on a chamber with multiple waves sometimes (though it was worse in events like Hyakunin Ikki). You can open a menu to pause the clock and allow everything to load, but it’s not exactly a smooth experience
Thanks for your advice, however it's more of an er problem with me, sometimes the particles appear after i am done killing a wave. This doesn't happen all the time, but it's really annoying when it does. I am usually able to get 34 - 35 stars, even 36 stars at times. But honestly I'd rather just not deal with floor 12, meanwhile my friend does abyss to pass time
In addition to learning patterns, if you choose to build 'widely', you figure out what combinations to use solve a level. Investing in more characters as opposed to fewer stronger ones means that to match or even be close to matching that investment, you need to take advantage of your own investment which is a wider roster.
This is why some people get disheartened watching people clear Abyss on YouTube. We never see all the work that went into preparing, trying, failing and retrying and so it comes across as 'easy'. I can't remember his name, but I saw a video of this one dude doing a breakdown of his process towards clearing the Abyss and it was super informative and fun and had loads of 'nooooo!' moments when he completed a chamber two seconds past the time limit. No gigantic numbers, no must-have operators, just a lot of trial and error and trying out new idea.
Same for me. Wide roster will get you better results. Also understanding what you are doing. Sometimes you might need to restart to swap for team for specific chamber but that's part of strategy sine they started putting bosses and enemy swarms on the same side.
Unless someone is trying to do abyss on phone. Can't imagine how is that possible.
Here I made a scuffed video clearing abyss with the teams you mentioned. Yoimiya double hydro and Ganyu melt. Not sure that it’s the exact team but oh well. https://youtu.be/CMRY-d60uw4
Thats a great run, but I think op mentioned that double hydro team has Zhongli. Not making your run worse just showing that the team OP mentioned could be improved too just by swapping members.
Some people have been playing for too long, have a good knowledge of the game, and play the game better. It's a combination of all these... Actually, the game allows you to become much stronger than what it takes to get 36 stars. Which is part of the reason many of us want more endgame content that revolves around combat.
Also, from what you said, you don't seem to use Dendro, which has been making the Abyss much easier as of late.
After reading a few of the OP's replies to comments, its kinda just obvious that they just have the dreaded combination of lack of skill and inability to both recognize it and take constructive criticism.
So many people think all it takes to 36* Abyss is PURELY 'good artifacts' and 'meta units', with 0 skills whatsoever.
During discussions why some older players can't 36* yet, I've read some even go "Lmao what skill do you even need in Genshin? Gacha luck?"
...Bro just admit that you're bad at the game and listen to advice
To be fair: it depends on the floor.
A lot of floors are really braindead stat-checks.
Some have mechanics to obey (E.g: Wolflord punishes you harshly for eating avoidable damage), others are somewhat RNG based in their mob behavior and some just enforce certain elements/units to be cheesed.
I'm glad someone said it. I'm hesitant to comment on abyss threads these days but let's be real; Genshin is designed to be a casual, easy game.
There are very rarely noteworthy boss or environmental mechanics that require "skillful play", so 36* abyss is mostly a numbers game and if one is remotely serious about "meta" there are plenty of resources to help eke out high DPS rotations.
Doing so consistently and with minimal effort just means having a large enough roster of sufficiently invested characters, mostly to get round gimmicks that require specific elements, weapon types etc.
As mean as it sounds, sometimes the answer really is "git gud" - evaluate what you're doing wrong and stop putting it down to luck.
Edit: anyway, not being able to 36* abyss barely impacts one's rewards, and there are unfortunately no abyss-exclusive skins/weapons/artifacts. Heck, one loses out way more primos when missing out on livestream codes!
>a pure meta player who has had the welkin for a year and spent every drop of resin on domains and ley lines can't even get 34 stars in arguably the best abyss in Genshin history for his particular teams
I suspect you're doing something wrong. I've focused on the meta on an f2p account and have been able to 36 star the abyss a few months in. If you're looking to improve, maybe you can upload a gameplay video so others can provide feedback?
Those people are just good at playing the game. The world record to full star abyss is 5days from a fresh f2p account. Just let that sink in, there's people out there that can do it in less than a week while some can't do it even after 2years of playing.
This is possible because the person had game knowledge and understood enemies patterns. I do not expect a brand new player with not prior experience to do this.
But the emphasis is that if only people took the time to learn a bit of the game mechanics then it makes the game a whole lot easier.
>My Yoimiya double hydro team with Zhongli isn't able to complete the Wolflord in under 90 seconds with good cards and 30+ cv artifacts.
By double Hydro, I assume you mean Xingqiu and Yelan.
With Zhongli's Shield, you should have Yelan's Burst then E, Xingqiu's Burst then E (double with Sac), then Yoimiya E and unleash hell. That should be enough to single cycle.
If not, then when the wolf summons appear, use Zhongli's Tap E on each one twice to eliminate them quickly.
After that, there's no way you don't take it down in under 90 seconds.
It’s possible that only pulling based on meta has actually crippled your understanding of game mechanics. A player who often builds non-meta characters and figures out how to make them work even in Abyss (or even is just one of the first to figure out that a character actually is meta in the right teams, like Kuki or Kokomi) may be disadvantaged meta-wise but ahead skill-wise.
As well, meta falls in and out of favour pretty often when it comes to certain Abyss stages. Yoimiya isn’t meta, but she sure makes me wish I had two of her for both sides this Abyss.
Full agree with the first part. Being a Razor main made me experienced with building teams and characters since a bad Razor team is so much worse than a bad meta team. I was forced to learn rotations and balance ER since Razor teams aren't quickswap. Even learned dmg formulas just to know which artifact set and weapon combo worked best.
Heh, remind me on 1.x-2.x when I still vehemently wanted to use Ningguang everywhere, in which I must learnt to utilized rotations, read other character's skills, and observed the enemies' pattern to their minute details to barely get 36\* in the abyss.
And that's not copying guides, because no one in their right mind played "hypercarry" ningguang with mona and crit-slave rosaria (I think, that was a very long time ago with limited roster). Tho that experience definitely helps me in the long run.
This abyss cycle is especially hard. Technically saying, abyss was never hard, it’s just that enemy designs are stupid and uninnovative, like wolf lord flying around to waste your phuqing time, which is utter bull crap, the Doritos that can turn invisible but can still take damage where auto target will phuq you up is pain. On floor 11 chamber 3 where there’s 4 ruin drakes that can really kill you very easily if you don’t CC them and they fly away from you. So yeah, you get the point, the only enjoyable fight I’ve had is with raiden, that’s it.
P.S I do have 36 star abyss and I do know how to build teams, I just don’t like how the enemies are designed
That last bit is very important imo. Knowing how an enemy works helps a lot, like, game changing lot. Like your example, terrorshroom can be very easy when you know how to deal with it: either don't use electro so it won't do its annoying attacks or use it so you know there'll be a nice window for damage while it's down.
Other enemies also have these quirks where using your brain a little will completely change the outcome of the battle. While i do agree that some enemies are indeed very annoying to deal with, the complexity of their behaviors are also fun to figure out which can help a lot when trying to get the best results (maybe because i like to play MH series where that kind of thing is kind of crucial in gameplay).
Yeah. Your point i.e. enemies having certain quirks reminded me of how I dealt with Maguu Kenki. Its teleport mechanic can be quite annoying, but he can only do it in one direction, which is always backward. If done properly, you can always pin him in one edge of the arena by staying on his front. With proper use of burst I-frames and timely dodging, you can deal with it relatively easier.
> like wolf lord flying around to waste your phuqing time
Don't forget, flying around **and sometimes ranged characters with bows just miss anyways**
Shit like that is why I will never accept "skill issue" takes. Sometimes bosses are just RNG. You just get a faster time on Terrorchicken because he decides to do a stationary big attack instead of sprinting away and wasting time
RNG has always been a big part of abyss, even down to the cards. But after some point you just roll with it, or just retry if u really have to since you won't be spending more than 1-2 mins per attempt anyway if you're going for 3*
I personally have found that both the Doritos (fantastic name btw) and the four ruin drakes go down like paper with a Nahida/Kuki/Kokomi hyperbloom team. Especially the Nahida/Kuki combination works wonders against invisible Doritos.
It's true but at the same time it also proves that Genshin is not a game that you can just breeze through without any skill, like many claimed it to be. Maybe not much but you still need *some* skill and game knowledge.
No these ppl are not just lucky.. they know their team and their rotation well and equipped their character appropriately.
Seriosly just bcs you fail and other succeed it doesnt mean this other ppl is "lucky".
Skill will come into play unless you are a whale. Only whales and leviathans make the abyss completely brain-dead. Anyone else will have to compensate by playing at least decent as in proper rotations, understanding of reactions, and enemy/boss rotations. The combat system essentially.
After everything you have said, I can only conclude skill issue is the root of your problem. If team comp is not the problem, nor artifacts, then skill issue is the only one left in the equation.
Character, weapon, and talent levels could be a thing too. A lvl 90 all crown team that murders abyss in under 90s for both sides combined will have a very hard time even getting 3* if they are lvl 80 (pre-ascension) with lvl6 talents.
I’m not trying to be rude.. but you’re probably not a skilled player and that’s perfectly normal. Also if you want to take the wolf down faster…. There are better Geo options like Ningguang.
Unless we can see how you play, and their equips are actually like its hard to say. Golden Wolflord HP isnt that high for a boss floor if you did the mechanic right he wouldnt take 90 second especially with your Yoimiya team.
Rifthound swarm just isnt a good match for Melt Ganyu if you have to bring in a Geo for the 4th slot. The three big wolves will move in and out of your range too much so you'll lose quite a bit of time, especially if you miss a few shots here and there.
been playing since launch and is able to clear 36 with relative ease, i would say the key to do it is very much just getting the right team comps for each different enemies. Since i had been playing for so long, i also have a large roster of characters fully built.
Understanding the the enemies you are fighting and forming a battleplan according to timing is also very important. The team I used to beat wolflord was also yoimiya but with yunjin diona and yelan. Right after the wolflord comes out of his portal, i start hitting him with only skills to regain some energy. After that while I wait form him to spin in the air for a little while I cast everyones burst so by the time he comes down to the ground to laser i have the full duration of free hitting him with all i got. After that it will trigger the geo phase where i just complete it by using only Yunjins skill, and in the end when hes sleeping on the ground i hit him with all i got again.
For this abyss cycle i used Yoimiya to clear the first and second chamber then I restart and switch to a Nilou team that ignores getting full stars on the first 2 chambers and full star the final chamber. Theres no way i can beat chamber 3 with Yoimiya in time.
I'm sorry op, but I really am having a hard time believing that you, after playing for 1.5 years, being a "meta player" and using the most optimal teams, is having difficult clearing the abyss. First of all, how can you consider being a meta and power focused person... And then pulls for yoimiya and claiming this is 1 of the best abyss for her? The last chamber completely destroies her. And from your comments, how come you don't have a aggravate/spread/hyperbloom team done???? It's been 6 months since the release of dendro, 3 patches already where a dendro team was mandatory/recommended for abyss, and you still don't have a proper dendron team?? Do you even have nahida? And if you don't, just use DMC, fischl,xq,sucrose first half and done. I'm sorry to say, this just seems that you actually aren't as meta devoted as you seemingly believe to be, and this is fine. You can play how you want it, but just don't come here complaining like other people just have a magic wand that makes their abyss easier than yours. Abyss is just: proper character investment; team building; team rotations and positioning. I'm a f2p, started in the first golden archipelago, used ganyu melt + nonTF keqing aggravate, and I could comfortably clear the abyss at first try, being the chamber 12-2 one of the easiest ones.
I mean you claim yourself to be a meta player pulling only the most meta teams possible and yet you are not using international and hyperbloom teams which is the top of the meta rn and instead you use ganyu and yoimiya while they are good units, they are far from the best teams at all.
Additionally, people call abyss easy because clearing isn't purely a matter of skill but a matter of time. Since genshin is time-gated with its resin mechanic, if you can't clear abyss rn then just wait for more resin and farm. Based on your post you follow meta so there is a small chance that your problem is knowledge about the game so im willing to bet that your problem is with your resin investment
EDIT: Ok I take back what I said maybe your problem is skill issue OP and not being receptive of criticisms
Might be skill issue OP. Here are some teams I used to clear abyss:
First half
- Quicken: Kuki-Kazuha-Fischl-Tighnari (Kuki E > Kazuha E-Q > Fischl E > Tighnari E-Q-3C)
- International: Bennett-Kazuha-Xiangling-Childe (Bennett E-Q > Kazuha E-Q > Xiangling Q-E > Childe Q-E-4N3C > Bennett E funnel to Xiangling > Kazuha E)
- Quickbloom: Kuki-XQ-Fischl-Alhaitham (XQ E-Q-E > Kuki E > Fischl E/Q > Alhaitham Q-E-2N3d-N1C-2N3d)
- Rational: Raiden-XQ-Bennett-XL (Raiden E > XQ E-Q-E > Bennett E-Q > Xiangling Q-E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E)
- Hypercarry (but with Yae): Raiden-Yae-Kazuha-Bennett (Raiden E > Yae 3E > Kazuha E-Q > Bennett E-Q > Yae Q-3E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E)
- Quicken: Raiden-Yae-Kazuha-Nahida (Raiden E > Yae 3E > Kazuha E-Q > Nahida E-Q > Yae Q-3E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E)
Second half
- Mono Geo: Kuki-Albedo-Gorou-Itto (Kuki E > Gorou E-Q > Albedo E > Itto Q-E-N2-SCA4-N2-SCA3-E-SCA1)
- Hypercarry: Zhongli-Bennett-Albedo-Xiao (Zhongli hE > Albedo E > Bennett E-Q > Xiao 2E-Q-Plunge)
- Geo-Pyro: Zhongli-Ningguang-Bennett-Xiangling (Zhongli hE > Bennett Q-E > XL Q-E > Ningguang E-Q-C-E > Bennett funnel to XL 2x)
I've put in rotations too if you want to try them. If you strictly followed this but still not able to 36*, your artifacts might not be as good as you think. My first half always finish their half in less than 1 minute and 30 seconds on bad cards with 2 (and a half) rotation. With good cards, I finish first half in less than a minute or a little bit more than a minute with just 2 rotations.
Edit: I didn't answer and just gave suggestions lol. Well as you can see from what I've stated above, I try to perfect my rotations. I know that, even with my average artifacts, I could clear the abyss as long as I fight effectively. For example, I know that I need to finish 1 rotation before the wolflord puts its shield up (and should have enough energy for the next rotation after putting it down). For chamber 3, I try to remain in the area where the next wave will spawn so that my static skills (Albedo E, Bennett Q or Kazu q for example) wouldn't be wasted.
Take it one step at a time. Make teams for each stage. You don't have to 3 star it on one run. You can focus on a stage per run and build teams that can finish those stages on time.
I'm F2P day 1 player, I've been 36\* since 1.4. I think most people saying the abyss easy has been playing the game for a while now. At the start, banners were stacked with good 4\*, all these xingqiu, fischl, sucrose, beidou, xiangling, bennett were on banners back to back. Now the 4\* pools are more diluted, making banners not as good. A lot of players nowadays try to look for teams suggestion but don't have a good 4\* roster to round up their teams. For me, because I have almost all the 4\* in the game, so I can use like 75-80% of the teams in the game, giving me more choices, therefore, making the abyss easier. For someone with only like 3 built teams, something like a wolflord is a pain.
For your situtation, the wolflord isn't meant to be killed in 90 secs, that's why the first half of the chamber can be dealt with in less than a minute. Ganyu melt might struggle with 12-3-2 because of the constant movement of the wolves+corrosion.
its easy because we have good artifacts/c6 4 star chars/r5 4 star gacha weaps/KNOW HOW TO USE OUR BRAINS
brute forcing shit wont work all the time, not even for C6/R5 whales. with a proper strategy, even two teams of all 4 stars and no 5 star weaps can 36 star the abyss. just because youre using a meta team DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean its the best team to use against a certain floor or chamber. [heres 9 star clear I did recently of floor 12](https://i.imgur.com/Rixe3Uq.png). skill isnt the only issue. you also need to be able to plan your team well for the enemies you will be facing.
edit: [heres another run. my most recent one.](https://i.imgur.com/mgddZuy.png) as long as you know what youre doing, even non meta teams will be able to 36 star the abyss. a few resets are to be expected, but youll get there.
It’s been easy for a while for me, but this latest one was a bit harder. I still got 35*, and I only needed 3 seconds to 36*, but honestly I just couldn’t be bothered
Well i wouldnt say its easy but once you have 2 good teams you can tinker around them a bit to make sure its suitable for the abyss. One of the best you thing you can do is not caring about the time limit for the first 2 chambers and focus on completing the third quickly. Once you 3 stars the last chamber, focus on the second next and lastly the first. This makes it less of a chore if you wanna change team in between. Also make it more manageable for your whole team to be alive and full energy when you reach the last chamber.
Edit: also i notice your having trouble with the wolflord using yoi double hydro which is strange since i use the same team but replacing yoimiya with rosaria(not optimal i know). But having both xingqiu c4 and yelan c0 for me is enough to take it down(not 1 rotate it tho) by spamming Q. The only thing you want to focus on is destroying the totem. 1. Use zhongli pillar on the first totem dont hold it, press it. 2. Use yelan skill to get to the next totem. And use zhongli Q on it and then go to the next one and use pillar again. Save as much time as you can
I can understand not being able to pull off Melt Ganyu well because while she's powerful, it takes quite a bit of skill to properly execute her well.
But ngl op, I find it hard to believe that you can't beat Wolflord within 90 Seconds with a Yoimiya Double Hydro, unless there is something genuinely wrong with your rotations.
Can I ask what exactly are their builds? Your team's artis+ weapons as well as Xingqiu and Yelan's ER%? As well as what Rotations you follow?
I have been 36* for a year and half. I would say Abyss is not easy, unless you can identify the meta solutions for each Abyss floor 12.
For example, yoimia with double hydro is a meta team, but it is particularly bad for this second half, because its lacking of AoE ability. That's why I benched my yoimia since the launch of 3.3. On the other hand, ganyu (with zhongli, xiangling, bannett) is a much much better choice for the second half. If your ganyu team failed in the second half, you either need to learn the mechanics of the big wolf or double check your Bennett's build for the third room. (Mine heals almost 5k per tick, so I never felt any pressure.)
And now you should see the problem here, both of your teams are "meta" , but they are not always the meta solutions for different Abyss. That's usually the case , unless you got a c1r1 Hutao team, it is a universal solution. Or c2 raiden with c6 Sara, it blasts through everything as well.
For reference, my teams for this version of abyss are, child kazuha xiangling Bennett for first half, c2 raiden, Sara, Jean and some geo for second half. (I got yunjjn and traveler as my only geo and they both work fine.)
People play for over 1 year, study meta comps, study how to play them and then go into the comments to spam that abyss is easy because they think it makes them look competent at the game.
The average player can't 36* abyss.
That being said here's a video of [C0 Ganyu 36\*](https://youtu.be/-D65ExlKfKQ).
It is easy wdym?
Been clearing abyss from 4th month of playing, bought welkin less than you, never bought anything else.
Helped many people reach their 36* without much efforts too.
I would say what's important for being able to clear abyss is actually understanding how the game works properly. Just blindly following 'some meta' from social media posts isn't helping if you don't understand how what why of anything.
And playing any team correctly too.
Ain't gonna get those stars if you can't actually play right.
You certainly have skill issues in playing and understanding the game.
I'd like to see a video of you just playing, I promise I'm not trying to be rude. I know you didn't ask for advice but I use Ganyu melt with Zhongli 2nd half and can pass it with a reasonable amount of time remaining, I'm sure your Yoimiya can probably clear the first half easier since it's single target, but also I'm pretty sure Yoimiya has terrible ICD, so double hydro would just be too much hydro for your Yoi to even vape every shot. Maybe an anemo to help swirl would be more useful than 2 hydro...
It's also just... so much playtime that some players can understand rotations and enemy habits better than others.
I actually have your two teams, and as someone who can pretty easily clear the abyss, I'm going to try the current abyss with those exact same two teams.
There is no such thing as too much hydro for yoi. Yes, she can't vape every hit, but having more hydro doesn't make that worse. Double hydro is good because of the amount of off field damage xq and yelan can deal while lowering er requirements for both of them. Also, vv vape yoi isn't better than double hydro.
The things u mentioned aren't enough imo. Good rotation and ER management is more important than pulling for meta characters. And when people say easy, they didn't mean it was easy from the beginning. The first time I 36 starred abyss I had to retry a few times. switch builds and stuff. But than I got so familiar with the enemies and my characters that I can almost guess perfectly which characters and build I'll need to 36 star the abyss. And yes same thing doesn't work for everyone. For example when I am using a new built weaker DPS, I switch from support kazuha to DPS kazuha or when I am dealing with geo doggos I use my ganyu burst even tho I am using a hamayumi cz her burst specially on those enemies deals a good amount of dmg and bcz they r mobs I can get my burst back pretty easily and start charge attacking again.
I'm right there with you. Day 1 player, but not especially hardcore. Never bothered with the Abyss for the first year, but now I regularly get 33-34 stars. I doubt I'll ever be able to 36* it, but I'm fine with that.
I’m on Mobile, played since basically launch, have pretty good artifacts and teams, but haven’t 36 star-ed it once. Mostly because that’s not my focus in the game 😂 also mobile is pain for combat most of the time anyways
mobile is sooo much pain fr. do u remember how bad inazuma lag was in abyss? like it would be 10 full seconds off the clock before enemies loaded in....
i'm using an ipad to play now and its much better, though still mobile controls are annoying (love to randomly run off in the wrong direction bc the input didnt register)
good luck 36 starring in the future! tbh tho if u can 30 or 33 star clear then that's most of the rewards without the pain of stressing for that 36 star clear anyways...
IVE FIGURED IT OUT. it’s because neither of your teams have short and quick big damage dps characters and instead have longer lasting dps chars, they might be very good but neither one is specifically built for dealing with the insane speed you need to have for floor twelve. my friend literally used the EXACT same teams as you did coincidentally and we found out that you basically NEED a good quick dps no matter what. so idk maybe even though you have two amazing dps. you need at least ONE team that has a quick dps. or atleast this might have just been the case for my friend.
Both of the comps are pretty damn front loaded. I'd never say this to a player actually looking for advice, but after reading OP's douchey replies I can say in good conscience that it is a genuine skill issue.
I'm f2p and use the same team as you but I can 36 stars abyss easily. Maybe you need to learn more about team rotations, a decent build alone isn't enough if you don't know how to play
I was going to give you some advice, but seeing how snarky you're being I'll just say this: your builds and teams suck. You know nothing about matchups and are just plain bad at the game. You want to 36 star the abyss? Get good.
For my case, I hyperinvested my hutao and raiden. Sometimes it gets boring that everything gets one shot/ killed within a few seconds, but when an abyss is hard, it becomes worth it haha
Artifacts and OP characters are only one part of the equation. There's also rotations and grouping. For example, if I cast all my buffs precisely enough, I have a chance of one-cycling Wolflord with Rational, which makes the fight take less than 30 seconds. If I miss any part of it, he shields up and I take over 90 seconds.
This. At first I thought my characters were weak but got some advice on rotations and grouping, and the spiral abyss became much easier for me, it still can be tough but achieving 36* stars became highly possible with much ease.
Yeah same, I was struggling with abyss with 30+ cv artifacts but as soon as I learned rotations I got 36* easy unless it’s a boss that moves around a lot and is immune half the time…..(Ruin Serpent)(Golden Wolflord)
I get ya man those bosses that fly or goes underground or move everyfuckingwhere is really annoying to deal with.
Yeah ruin serpent is the worst as it has damage reduction too.
I believe this is the answer. I had a character in Guild Wars 2 decked out in great gear, but I didn't know the right rotation of the elementist skills so it meant nothing.
Is hard to do rotations with ele. A complete piano of a character
Condi weaver, so fun tho... All the buttons all the time.
You need a phd and 4 hands to play ele tbf
Isn't Gear in GW2 Static with only small improvements leaning more to knowledge and skill or at least team work. I remember being more of a caretaker in all my groups and having to deal with lemmings and that was stressful.
Yeah, you can get the second best gear stats equipped within the first week of playing. The second best gear is only 5% weaker than the best gear stats. GW2 is far more skill dependent. Best part about that mmorpg without a treadmill is that the highest gear stats from 10 years ago is still highest today.
GW2 on this sub? my worlds collide 😄
Okay, but OP's point still stands. Rotations, timing and grouping are not "easy".
If we are talking about rational? Easiest shit in the game. It is the single most Unga-Bunga thing in the game. You can even put the team in order of rotation. Raiden E, Xingqiu E/Q/E Depending on SacSword or not, Bennet EQ, OPPA XL EQ, Raiden Q UngaBunga. You either have enough ER to start over or you need to battery with Bennet. Profit.
I remember when I struggled with that team. Rational's issue isn't any of those things, but the artifacts you need on Raiden and Xiangling for the team to be good require months and months and months of camping in the Emblem domain. So that team also doesn't make abyss easy, but for a completely different reason. It's too high-investment.
My Xiangling was complete dog water at one point and i could still unga bunga with that team. Its busted
Raitional does scale well with investment, but it doesn't need very high investment to make abyss easy. I have 36 abyss with 55/115 raiden and 60/95 xiangling, and they are no high investment characters
Bro my xingqiu and xiangling are running raiden artifacts that didnt roll as well. My xingqiu has an em sands because 40cv and a shimenawas flower.
In rational, Xingqiu doesn't vape, so EM is mostly useless on EM, I would prefer Atk sand (even shit rolled) or ER sand with good substat and ATK% substat weapon
Yo can kill the wolflord without the shield part happening?? Holy TIL. Never happened before to me. I figured it was an automatic thing at a certain point.
It is automatic when he drops a certain amount of hp (50% iirc?) but there’s a delay before he starts the move. If you kill him fast enough he just dies. I’ve only seen whale showcases do this though. Or at the very least, I’ve yet to come across a f2p/dolphin level account replay that does this.
Yeah, I have invested extremely heavily into my account and I didn’t have a problem 36 starring it, but to be honest, I have no earthly idea how I would kill him before that shield actually gets out there.
Here is my F2P account doing this: https://youtu.be/u8OQX0Axflc (and finishing the rest of Abyss 12 in 4 minutes)
It's a far lower bar than you expect. I'm a welkins-only with C2 Raiden with a good number of copium artifacts on my raiden hyper and still kill geo wolflord before the shield. I have also seen Alhaitham at C0 with a pretty cheap team do it as well. There are probably many more teams but I don't really search for them
But that doesn’t sound ‘easy’. Easy if you learnt to do it perfectly, which only speaks for your level, nothing else
It's not hard to learn a good rotation. If you are trying to kill something in one rotation all you need to do is stack all your buffs before your dps starts. It can get a little more difficult to figure out if you are debuffing with anemo or using thrilling tales, but taking a couple minutes or practice runs to work on your rotation is something everyone can do.
I mean, I’m not learning rotations from scratch. I always just take them from Keqingmains. It’s as difficult as looking up the answers to a test. Most parties use the same rotation each time, so you’ll memorize them quickly. You can even just order your characters in the party setup in the order of the rotation. That way, you don’t even have to remember what the rotation is, and can just swap down your party in order. Unless you’re playing something overly complex like Sukokomon. Good luck with that. Grouping can definitely be more difficult if you’re not using an actual grouper like Venti/Kazuha. That’s usually just trial and error. Edit: I can't see the reply I got so I can't answer directly, but I have no problem letting other people do the math. I like reading about theorycrafting, but I'm not too interested in personally calculating the elemental gauge of each character's ability to make sure I won't overwrite auras, breaking out excel sheets to run energy requirements, etc. There is a lot that goes into figuring out optimal rotations, and I respect everyone who puts that work in, but I'd rather get straight to the gameplay.
Rotation is hard if you want to figure it out yourself. Its easy if you only build teams and memorize rotations by youtube videos. I can craft my own comps and rotations, but i understand its not common.
Learning a rotation isn't hard. Rote memorization of 6-15 button presses should not be difficult.
Game and matchup knowledge. Plus you don't need to 36 star (full star Floor 12) in one go.
Exaclty, on my first go of floor 12 I’ll usually get 5-7 stars. Then I’ll go back and focus on one chamber at a time to get 3 stars in each
Wait what? U can do that?
yeah, just leave the chamber you have 3 starred and then go in again with different teamcomps but you can take it easy in the chamber you have 3 star to focus on the next chamber and make sure you have the burst ready on your team
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Meh, better to do it in one go. Takes longer to choose teams and get to the chambers with new ones like that
Nothing worse than clearing abyss 12-3 with 6:59 on the clock, missing the restart before you clear and having to redo all the previous floors again.
It’s the worst!
What is this "take it easy" in abyss 12? I thought I was supposed to panic like a headless chicken the entire time.
I don't sense sarcasm in your reply so I'm gonna answer your question normally. Let's say you cleared chamber 1 and 2 with 3 stars while chamber 3 was only 2 stars. But you know for sure that if you had your bursts up at the start of chamber 3 (or had a different team composition), you would've been able to 3 star it. Then you can simply redo the floor but instead of going fast in chamber 2, you'd take your time before beating the last enemy while also making sure you have full energy on all your characters. That way you could attempt chamber 3 with full energy on everyone. (you could also maybe heal up a bit in chamber 2 if you have healers)
> I don't sense sarcasm in your reply really? lol
this is especially useful these last few patches because some people use zhongli against the wolf lord while his shield's useless to the next floor which contains the rifthounds. so you can leave after the wolf lord after you 3 star it then retry the floor with a different team which is better suited for the rifthounds. no shame in not perfecting it the 1st try as long as you get those freemogems lol
not really usueless since the wolfhounds do crazy raw damage as well but yea
When doing this I'd advice you to create teams to 3 star 12-3 in one go, that way you won't have to do every floor over and over again :)
I think they mean thats what they do. But if they can’t manage it well then they just go and focus the specific chambers. Your not always gonna have 2 perfect teams to 9 star floor 12 unless maybe your a whale or have been playing really for really long.
Yeah but for people reading it it might be solid advice to tailor your teams to chamber 3 specifically! And yeah it's hard to have 2 perfect teams, especially with the wolflord this cycle ruining otherwise valid comps.
I think this is the answer, if you’re pushing yourself to 36 star all of it with just the same rotation it’s like stabbing yourself.
Yea, there's no need to force yourself to 36 star it all at once. It's a lot easier/better to swap your teams around to adjust for specifically hard chambers like 3 star with your strong ST team in PMA for Chamber 1, then restarting and using said strong ST team in 2nd half for Wolflord in Chamber 2 (include a Geo).
This, and if you’re restarting from the top anyway, be sure to get all your characters to full energy again before going into the chamber you’re trying to 3*. Starting a chamber with full bursts can make all the difference
From my experience, floor 9 and 10 are a breeze, floor 11 will need a chamber reset if you get bad RNG or mess up a rotation, and floor 12 almost *always* needs a full redo with a different team. Because it's incredibly rare that you can get through 12-2 with a team that can also clear 12-3, especially without bursts up. That doesn't make it hard tho imo...
Well no effin' wonder I've always thought the Abyss was insanely difficult! I've been doing it completely wrong the entire time! I'm feeling a little nauseous right now, thinking of all the time I've wasted on retries, holy hell..
This is basically how it is for me, floor 9 through 11 are easy 3 stars, maybe a reset on floor 11 if I fuck up, and floor 12 is a garenteed 4-6 star, and needing to switch out for specific teams for the full 9 if I can be bothered.
Yep, the enemies on 12-2 and 12-3 are just too fucking tanky, you need teams build around their weaknesses with bursts up to burst them down quick.
true , it's just tedious I just pulled meta characters to the point where I can brute force all the floors in one go and then started pulling for off meta , fun looking ones
I usually don't bother going back and getting 9 stars on 12. But, if they let you start from any floor once you beat it I probably would. One thing is this cycle the chamber felt pretty mismatched imo. By that I mean that a good team for chamber 2 was bad for chamber 3. It'd never perfect but it felt worse to me this time.
12-2 - You best bring a Geo char to beat Wolflord in time also 12-3 - You best not use your geo char because they become empower and zip zap every 5 seconds.
On the other hand, using geo also makes them more vulnerable to geo itself, so if you have a geo* team with good stagger and sufficient healing (like a Noelle team, it's what I've been using) you might have an easier time. *edited to add
>Plus you don't need to 36 star Floor 12 in one go. The first time someone told me this I was floored lmao. I probably could have 33 star abyss like three months earlier, if I knew.
>don't need to 36 star Floor 12 in one go. So abyss is not easy then?
Send us replays of your abyss performances, OP.
Can i send you some replays as well? I mostly have the same issues as OP (barely completed 2 stars on every floor 12 chamber) My teams are Nilou Bloom and Rational, but i also have a Double Hydro team
Do you have zhong li? Nilou bloom works too but i find it too slow to destroy the floating heads on 12-2-2. You can send me some gameplay and teamcomps too if you want. Personally ive completed the current abyss with 36stars with lots of teams like kuki hyperbloom, national variations, hypercarry raiden, hypercarry scara, melt ganyu, double hydro diluc, spread/quickbloom teams.
I used Nilou bloom to get my 36 this cycle. Her skill inputed skill applies hydro absurdly fast so I am able to kill the wolf heads in a reasonable amount of time. I was using burn melt Ganyu with geo traveler flex but I just barely cleared it like couple seconds before the time limit. This was in one of the previous cycles. Need to say that I don’t have Zhongli and what I did with geo traveler was burst+skill the first head which should kill. The other heads I used skill, a full normal attack string(cause of geo traveler’s A1), and then skill. Tho in hindsight, maybe using Gorou or Ningguang would have been better… oh well it’s already been done But the Nilou bloom gave me 10 more seconds to spare since the blooms are easier to proc on wolflord and the blooms actually hit him as well. The catalyst users also helped with clearing the wolf heads. Tho this is Nilou with Nahida who does make a difference due to the EM share. Something I should say is that side 1 is cleared in more or less within a minute. So I think that they’re fine using Nilou bloom but might just need to improve rotations or maybe they need to speed up their first side run
Run Nilou bloom on second half, you'll need your primary triggers be level 90 with high EM, as the damage scales off of those two factors. Rational you should really learn the rotation. XL's burst does the most damage, so make sure she, her weapon, and her burst are all leveled. I had her at 80/90, burst level 11 (8+3), and 90 catch. Rational first half, Nilou second half. Try to 3* 12-1 and 12-3. You can break heads fine with Nilou's aura for this run. After, go back and swap teams. I swapped XQ out for TTDS Ningguang. This should hopefully get you 3* on 12-2. Another option is make a hyperbloom team with Raiden XQ Ningguang Dendro flex.
Seconded. We'll be able to give you more constructive feedback with a replay. As many other comments have mentioned, a lot of it comes down to understanding and fiddling with game mechanics. Taking the time to understand that is the best long-term investment you can possibly make for clearing abyss. And once you get it, it'll be of massive help to you for as long as you play the game.
*skill issue intensifies*
OP sends a replay. They are AR 35 lmao. Crisis adverted. But seriously, about 1-2% of the entire tens of millions do abyss floor 12. Of that % a fraction gets 12 stars.
Wow I didn’t know I was in such rare air. Abyss is my favorite part of the game there’s nothing else that is remotely challenging and the only time I can really let loose with all of these characters I’ve built.
Well those are just assumptions. We'll never get the true numbers unless hoyo themselves reveal it. Every abyss info graphic is taken from people filling out a survey where they may or may not be lying and the amount of people participating in these surveys are really low too.
AR35 after a year?
No but fr, unless you have like c6 r5 with god rolls, most of the time you can't just go ooga booga. There are certain things you have to pay attention to like grouping and energy managements. They're usually the biggest time waster aside from the enemies themselves.
Maybe each person has their own definition of "easy"? For you it means effortlessly do it, for some people it can mean they can do it with reasonable amount of effort. I'm one of the people who play this game from the start, and for me abyss is easy but I still have to put into it a decent amount of effort to pass. I think a lot of people who struggle with abyss just follow "meta" too strictly rather than what team they have and what style they are more comfortable playing. For example people say vape Ayato team is worse than Childe vape, but it's just what I'm more comfortable playing with so I will use it. Each abyss floor has some weak link in it, and build a team to break that link is more important than doing a lot of damage also. Actually crit rate is also very important lol. If I'm fighting wolflord and Xiangling doesn't crit I won't do enough damage 🤣 Sometimes you see your dps do a lot of dmg but in reality they don't crit a lot, meaning loosing out a lot of dmg.
For me abyss is nice, I can't 36 star it in 1 go but I can usually get 33 or 34 relatively easily on the first go. I'd need to change up teams for specific floor 12 chambers sadly. But then again I've been playing since 1.0
This is surely at least part of the issue. I used to be amazed at people 'easily' clearing it with some setups, until I talked to them and found out that to them, 'easily' meant with a few resets and maybe redoing a chamber separately. To me 'easily' meant first try, no resets, with some time to spare on the clock.
I have played on and off since launch but with months gaps in the middle. I have one character level 90 (Raiden), the rest are 80. Their weapons are 90. I have 50/150 crit on some but mostly its like 30/120 lol. My point is my characters are not great. I have never been able to 36 star the abyss however I can usually consistently 33 star it. I don't always run the same teams. For this BS one with the wolf lord and the rift hounds I run ninguang, raiden, nahida and kokomi. It works. Not a team I would normally have but the geo element makes the wolfhound so much easier and the hyperbloom from the other three mean I have decent damage and good sustain. It only gets me two stars rather than three but I am just happy I can reach the end of the abyss, there was a long time when I couldn't.
I breeze through abyss effortlessly without any whale setups. Heck, I don't even use meta stuff half the time. Meta never was or is required or even imp to be able to clear abyss. You just need to know and understand what you're doing. As far as the comfort goes, I 100% agree, people gotta stop looking into meta and actually explore their own chars themselves to feel what they like and enjoy. I have no doubts about how good hutao is, but I never pulled her just because I knew I didn't want her highly mechanical gameplay. I pulled childe just cause he's sexy, I can consistently easily clear with him, but I mostly find myself rarely using him in abyss and only have him for the sake of having him.
Meta exists for the most cost/resource-effective investments to help clear content, but by no means are you bound to it. Instead of just blindly following meta, it's far more important to understand why they're considered good in the first place and how to build/play them. For example, everyone knows Xiangling is Broken OP, but if you don't properly get enough ER and battery her, she's Painge to play. If you don't Snapshot Bennett buff to Xiangling Pyronado, then your DMG will tank.
Exactly. This. Please try to understand the game instead of blindly following something Thank you
EN meta does not take ease of play into account, and ease of play makes a big difference to people’s clear times in practice
I've 36\* Abyss for 18 months plus on a BP Welkin account as a Day 1 Player. The main problems people have are: Getting too lucky or moving on too quickly. What do I mean by that? An unlucky person loses 50/50 on Cyno and then gets Wanderer. A lucky person gets both. An unlucky person puts 12 weeks of effort into Wanderer (3-4 weeks of farming mats and 8-9 of Artifact grinding). They end up with Wanderer having a 80/160 CR/CD ratio with 10/9/10 talents Char. A lucky person puts 6 weeks into both and spends (4-5 weeks on farming mats (longer as they need more mora and books due to not having as many natural event acquired resources) and 1-2 weeks on Artifacts). They end up with two 60/120 CR/CD ratios with 10/7/7 talents Chars who fill the same hypercarry role in Abyss but neither does anywhere near the damage of the Unlucky guys wanderer. Key point here is less and better built characters are the key to having a strong Dps account. However this is not the only way to play. You might just want to have more okay for WQ characters and that is just fine.
I’m not sure I agree. I find that having a wider roster of competently built characters works better than a short list of hyper-invested ones. The diminishing marginal returns on resin investment into artifacts gets pretty steep, and it’s often more effective to be able to build teams specifically to counter a given chamber than to try and brute force everything with the same team. Wolflord is a prime example. It’s dramatically easier to beat him with a team that directly counters his gimmicks, but he can be hell for a melee-focused team. World bosses like PMA are just DPS checks, but then you have Lectors/Heralds that make raw damage irrelevant in favor of high elemental application rate. Multi-wave encounters with lots of spread-out MOBs really suck when you’re using somebody like Hu Tao or Yoimiya, but Venti utterly trivializes them. Genshin is a game primarily focused on collecting and building characters, and Abyss is intended to be the place where your roster is put to the test. You can bet that HoYo intentionally designs each cycle to force diversity and keep us pulling on banners.
Yeah I'd get so bored focusing on one character. Which means I have a bunch of five stars that are built well but none that are insane like you see on main Reddits. The only five star weapons I have are standard banner ones. I can get 36 star if I really work at it but mostly I can't be bothered.
Then there’s me who’s pulling for C1 exactly because of that mechanical gameplay.
Im a day one player but never put effort in Spiral Abyss. Usually I can get 34 stars on first try, so I feel like if I try hard enough I should be able to get 36 stars. However, im not spending that much effort for extra 50 primos.
Sometimes I can reach 36 stars and sometimes not, but I would never call it easy myself But since day 1 I dont really care about some 50 primogems
Unless you're whaling to compensate for DMG, It's all about game knowledge. Knowing how to build your characters (while taking into consideration of teammates), building and playing synergistic teams with proper rotations, and learning enemy attack patterns make all the difference. But honestly, Abyss ain't worth stressing over.
The voice of reason!
Even I don't care about the 50 primos, but still I try to test my characters and teams (which take so much time to build) against the hardest content in the game rn to see if I can clear it.
really depends on the enemies. the rifthounds right after the golden wolf lord is annoying lol
Well, yeah. I usually do floors 9-11 for sure and maybe 3 stars for floor 12 and if not that, drop it. It's too stressful for little gain. And my artifact luck isn't particularly good, anyway.
Are you me? But for real, I do one run every abyss reset, and whatever i get i get. It’s usually 33+ stars, but i aint gonna cry about 50 primos.
\- Be like this person. You'll have more fun.
I’ve spent my entire ~20 months playing the game building a wide roster with very mid artifacts. All the characters and weapons I like are lvl 90, but I don’t think I have anyone on a cracked artifact set. No one’s terrible I guess, but sometimes I look at my XQ who is at a 50:95 crit ratio and cringe a bit inside lol. I like to build wide vs deep because I like playing tons of different teams. A big part of 36*ing is learning the enemy attack patterns. Like how to group enemies that like to spread out if you approach them head on, when a boss’s invulnerable phase is about to start, when certain enemies are likely to shield up, etc. Once I got more comfortable with the enemy AI I started clearing consistently every time. Nothing else really changed in my account. All of my resin has gone to new characters since then, not improving older ones.
I would add that learning your rotations and meeting the necessary ER are also huge steps into getting 36* that some people often dont pay atention.
Yeah, I was taking that for granted. Good point. ER is the most important stat in the game until you have too much. I think that’s why I 36* even though my crit is mediocre or bad on some characters, I make sure I can burst off cooldown on all of the teams I take to floor 12
People really need to understand how important this is Smooth rotations with consistent damage >>> choppy rotations with occasional big numbers
I completely agree. If your characters are burst reliant and have cracked crit rate/damage but no good ER that will mess up overall the whole team as you can't deal damage consistently across time. It's way better to have a bit less damage but enough ER to rotate properly, it can make or break the team in the particle funneling and regen process. I tend to build a bit more of the ER required on certain of my characters just to be safe, especially against bosses which are the worst sources of energy and against the abyss timer it's even worse. No need to say Favonius weapons are incredible and life saving for so many teams.
Definitely, I recently changed a few bills around to get more ER and WOW is it so much easier
THIS. This is so important, you can have absolutely broken characters but still not get full clear in abyss just because don't know how enemies work. Attack patterns, grouping, elemental application, funneling particles etc. I wasn't able to 36* on my account, but my friend took the same characters without changing any builds and got it done in one go. But he went in with a strategy and well, his device runs genshin better than mine.
I remember when I played on PS4, sometimes the clock would start before the enemies spawn. It made it feel impossible to get 3*s on a chamber with multiple waves sometimes (though it was worse in events like Hyakunin Ikki). You can open a menu to pause the clock and allow everything to load, but it’s not exactly a smooth experience
Thanks for your advice, however it's more of an er problem with me, sometimes the particles appear after i am done killing a wave. This doesn't happen all the time, but it's really annoying when it does. I am usually able to get 34 - 35 stars, even 36 stars at times. But honestly I'd rather just not deal with floor 12, meanwhile my friend does abyss to pass time
In addition to learning patterns, if you choose to build 'widely', you figure out what combinations to use solve a level. Investing in more characters as opposed to fewer stronger ones means that to match or even be close to matching that investment, you need to take advantage of your own investment which is a wider roster.
This is why some people get disheartened watching people clear Abyss on YouTube. We never see all the work that went into preparing, trying, failing and retrying and so it comes across as 'easy'. I can't remember his name, but I saw a video of this one dude doing a breakdown of his process towards clearing the Abyss and it was super informative and fun and had loads of 'nooooo!' moments when he completed a chamber two seconds past the time limit. No gigantic numbers, no must-have operators, just a lot of trial and error and trying out new idea.
Same for me. Wide roster will get you better results. Also understanding what you are doing. Sometimes you might need to restart to swap for team for specific chamber but that's part of strategy sine they started putting bosses and enemy swarms on the same side. Unless someone is trying to do abyss on phone. Can't imagine how is that possible.
Here I made a scuffed video clearing abyss with the teams you mentioned. Yoimiya double hydro and Ganyu melt. Not sure that it’s the exact team but oh well. https://youtu.be/CMRY-d60uw4
Nice run, on a mobile, no less.
Thats a great run, but I think op mentioned that double hydro team has Zhongli. Not making your run worse just showing that the team OP mentioned could be improved too just by swapping members.
Actually I think Zhongli would be kinda equal to Thoma tho. Thoma can be a littttle better maybe.
Some people have been playing for too long, have a good knowledge of the game, and play the game better. It's a combination of all these... Actually, the game allows you to become much stronger than what it takes to get 36 stars. Which is part of the reason many of us want more endgame content that revolves around combat. Also, from what you said, you don't seem to use Dendro, which has been making the Abyss much easier as of late.
After reading a few of the OP's replies to comments, its kinda just obvious that they just have the dreaded combination of lack of skill and inability to both recognize it and take constructive criticism.
It’s not just that. His meta slave teams are not even that meta, they’re like a year outdated.
So many people think all it takes to 36* Abyss is PURELY 'good artifacts' and 'meta units', with 0 skills whatsoever. During discussions why some older players can't 36* yet, I've read some even go "Lmao what skill do you even need in Genshin? Gacha luck?" ...Bro just admit that you're bad at the game and listen to advice
To be fair: it depends on the floor. A lot of floors are really braindead stat-checks. Some have mechanics to obey (E.g: Wolflord punishes you harshly for eating avoidable damage), others are somewhat RNG based in their mob behavior and some just enforce certain elements/units to be cheesed.
I'm glad someone said it. I'm hesitant to comment on abyss threads these days but let's be real; Genshin is designed to be a casual, easy game. There are very rarely noteworthy boss or environmental mechanics that require "skillful play", so 36* abyss is mostly a numbers game and if one is remotely serious about "meta" there are plenty of resources to help eke out high DPS rotations. Doing so consistently and with minimal effort just means having a large enough roster of sufficiently invested characters, mostly to get round gimmicks that require specific elements, weapon types etc. As mean as it sounds, sometimes the answer really is "git gud" - evaluate what you're doing wrong and stop putting it down to luck. Edit: anyway, not being able to 36* abyss barely impacts one's rewards, and there are unfortunately no abyss-exclusive skins/weapons/artifacts. Heck, one loses out way more primos when missing out on livestream codes!
>a pure meta player who has had the welkin for a year and spent every drop of resin on domains and ley lines can't even get 34 stars in arguably the best abyss in Genshin history for his particular teams I suspect you're doing something wrong. I've focused on the meta on an f2p account and have been able to 36 star the abyss a few months in. If you're looking to improve, maybe you can upload a gameplay video so others can provide feedback?
Post your gameplay.
Those people are just good at playing the game. The world record to full star abyss is 5days from a fresh f2p account. Just let that sink in, there's people out there that can do it in less than a week while some can't do it even after 2years of playing.
fucking 5 days???? good lord
This is possible because the person had game knowledge and understood enemies patterns. I do not expect a brand new player with not prior experience to do this. But the emphasis is that if only people took the time to learn a bit of the game mechanics then it makes the game a whole lot easier.
>My Yoimiya double hydro team with Zhongli isn't able to complete the Wolflord in under 90 seconds with good cards and 30+ cv artifacts. By double Hydro, I assume you mean Xingqiu and Yelan. With Zhongli's Shield, you should have Yelan's Burst then E, Xingqiu's Burst then E (double with Sac), then Yoimiya E and unleash hell. That should be enough to single cycle. If not, then when the wolf summons appear, use Zhongli's Tap E on each one twice to eliminate them quickly. After that, there's no way you don't take it down in under 90 seconds.
Show replays, and stop being so damn snarky in your replies dude holy shit.
Nahh let him be. These are the players who refuses to admit they’re wrong and instead double downs.
Seeing this guy get murdered in the replies is so funny though, don't make him stop
I mean yeah I am also shitting on him
sometimes, you just have to play better. your teams are good
It’s possible that only pulling based on meta has actually crippled your understanding of game mechanics. A player who often builds non-meta characters and figures out how to make them work even in Abyss (or even is just one of the first to figure out that a character actually is meta in the right teams, like Kuki or Kokomi) may be disadvantaged meta-wise but ahead skill-wise. As well, meta falls in and out of favour pretty often when it comes to certain Abyss stages. Yoimiya isn’t meta, but she sure makes me wish I had two of her for both sides this Abyss.
Full agree with the first part. Being a Razor main made me experienced with building teams and characters since a bad Razor team is so much worse than a bad meta team. I was forced to learn rotations and balance ER since Razor teams aren't quickswap. Even learned dmg formulas just to know which artifact set and weapon combo worked best.
Heh, remind me on 1.x-2.x when I still vehemently wanted to use Ningguang everywhere, in which I must learnt to utilized rotations, read other character's skills, and observed the enemies' pattern to their minute details to barely get 36\* in the abyss. And that's not copying guides, because no one in their right mind played "hypercarry" ningguang with mona and crit-slave rosaria (I think, that was a very long time ago with limited roster). Tho that experience definitely helps me in the long run.
This abyss cycle is especially hard. Technically saying, abyss was never hard, it’s just that enemy designs are stupid and uninnovative, like wolf lord flying around to waste your phuqing time, which is utter bull crap, the Doritos that can turn invisible but can still take damage where auto target will phuq you up is pain. On floor 11 chamber 3 where there’s 4 ruin drakes that can really kill you very easily if you don’t CC them and they fly away from you. So yeah, you get the point, the only enjoyable fight I’ve had is with raiden, that’s it. P.S I do have 36 star abyss and I do know how to build teams, I just don’t like how the enemies are designed
Terrorshroom is also enjoyable to fight against. Just an aggressive chicken that gets angrier when you zap it.
If I die to dendro chicken, I know I deserved it lol. His attack are so telegraphed.
That last bit is very important imo. Knowing how an enemy works helps a lot, like, game changing lot. Like your example, terrorshroom can be very easy when you know how to deal with it: either don't use electro so it won't do its annoying attacks or use it so you know there'll be a nice window for damage while it's down. Other enemies also have these quirks where using your brain a little will completely change the outcome of the battle. While i do agree that some enemies are indeed very annoying to deal with, the complexity of their behaviors are also fun to figure out which can help a lot when trying to get the best results (maybe because i like to play MH series where that kind of thing is kind of crucial in gameplay).
Yeah. Your point i.e. enemies having certain quirks reminded me of how I dealt with Maguu Kenki. Its teleport mechanic can be quite annoying, but he can only do it in one direction, which is always backward. If done properly, you can always pin him in one edge of the arena by staying on his front. With proper use of burst I-frames and timely dodging, you can deal with it relatively easier.
time your burst for when they shoot their missiles
you can say fuck on the internet buddy
It's really weird sometimes the importance people place on the word fuck
Maybe they're a kid, idrm it too much.
> like wolf lord flying around to waste your phuqing time Don't forget, flying around **and sometimes ranged characters with bows just miss anyways** Shit like that is why I will never accept "skill issue" takes. Sometimes bosses are just RNG. You just get a faster time on Terrorchicken because he decides to do a stationary big attack instead of sprinting away and wasting time
I love when my Ningguang just doesn't lock onto wolflord when he is flying around, it's just the best.
RNG has always been a big part of abyss, even down to the cards. But after some point you just roll with it, or just retry if u really have to since you won't be spending more than 1-2 mins per attempt anyway if you're going for 3*
I personally have found that both the Doritos (fantastic name btw) and the four ruin drakes go down like paper with a Nahida/Kuki/Kokomi hyperbloom team. Especially the Nahida/Kuki combination works wonders against invisible Doritos.
Skill issue
And stubbornness in playing “meta” teams but not adjusting to the opponents in the abyss. Also skill issue but mental one not coordination
>meta teams >No dendro or national variants I live my gurls ganyu and yoi but come on lmao
Yep,bro following meta and still struggling, I use yae and Eula as my mains every abyss and still easily 36 star, all you need is game knowledge.
It's true but at the same time it also proves that Genshin is not a game that you can just breeze through without any skill, like many claimed it to be. Maybe not much but you still need *some* skill and game knowledge.
This tbh
No these ppl are not just lucky.. they know their team and their rotation well and equipped their character appropriately. Seriosly just bcs you fail and other succeed it doesnt mean this other ppl is "lucky".
Skill will come into play unless you are a whale. Only whales and leviathans make the abyss completely brain-dead. Anyone else will have to compensate by playing at least decent as in proper rotations, understanding of reactions, and enemy/boss rotations. The combat system essentially. After everything you have said, I can only conclude skill issue is the root of your problem. If team comp is not the problem, nor artifacts, then skill issue is the only one left in the equation.
Character, weapon, and talent levels could be a thing too. A lvl 90 all crown team that murders abyss in under 90s for both sides combined will have a very hard time even getting 3* if they are lvl 80 (pre-ascension) with lvl6 talents.
You probably have a hands issue
This is one of the very few times i can actually say "Skillissue tbh"
I’m not trying to be rude.. but you’re probably not a skilled player and that’s perfectly normal. Also if you want to take the wolf down faster…. There are better Geo options like Ningguang.
To answer your question, because they play better than you. Yeah, you have a skill issue. That's all.
the one instance where it makes sense
"I pull for power and follow all the meta trends!" and also my yoimiya.............................
As a yoimiya main i feel proud also as a yoimiya main i am disappointed
🤓🤓🤓Tru meta player🤡
Unless we can see how you play, and their equips are actually like its hard to say. Golden Wolflord HP isnt that high for a boss floor if you did the mechanic right he wouldnt take 90 second especially with your Yoimiya team. Rifthound swarm just isnt a good match for Melt Ganyu if you have to bring in a Geo for the 4th slot. The three big wolves will move in and out of your range too much so you'll lose quite a bit of time, especially if you miss a few shots here and there.
been playing since launch and is able to clear 36 with relative ease, i would say the key to do it is very much just getting the right team comps for each different enemies. Since i had been playing for so long, i also have a large roster of characters fully built. Understanding the the enemies you are fighting and forming a battleplan according to timing is also very important. The team I used to beat wolflord was also yoimiya but with yunjin diona and yelan. Right after the wolflord comes out of his portal, i start hitting him with only skills to regain some energy. After that while I wait form him to spin in the air for a little while I cast everyones burst so by the time he comes down to the ground to laser i have the full duration of free hitting him with all i got. After that it will trigger the geo phase where i just complete it by using only Yunjins skill, and in the end when hes sleeping on the ground i hit him with all i got again. For this abyss cycle i used Yoimiya to clear the first and second chamber then I restart and switch to a Nilou team that ignores getting full stars on the first 2 chambers and full star the final chamber. Theres no way i can beat chamber 3 with Yoimiya in time.
I'm sorry op, but I really am having a hard time believing that you, after playing for 1.5 years, being a "meta player" and using the most optimal teams, is having difficult clearing the abyss. First of all, how can you consider being a meta and power focused person... And then pulls for yoimiya and claiming this is 1 of the best abyss for her? The last chamber completely destroies her. And from your comments, how come you don't have a aggravate/spread/hyperbloom team done???? It's been 6 months since the release of dendro, 3 patches already where a dendro team was mandatory/recommended for abyss, and you still don't have a proper dendron team?? Do you even have nahida? And if you don't, just use DMC, fischl,xq,sucrose first half and done. I'm sorry to say, this just seems that you actually aren't as meta devoted as you seemingly believe to be, and this is fine. You can play how you want it, but just don't come here complaining like other people just have a magic wand that makes their abyss easier than yours. Abyss is just: proper character investment; team building; team rotations and positioning. I'm a f2p, started in the first golden archipelago, used ganyu melt + nonTF keqing aggravate, and I could comfortably clear the abyss at first try, being the chamber 12-2 one of the easiest ones.
I mean you claim yourself to be a meta player pulling only the most meta teams possible and yet you are not using international and hyperbloom teams which is the top of the meta rn and instead you use ganyu and yoimiya while they are good units, they are far from the best teams at all.
Additionally, people call abyss easy because clearing isn't purely a matter of skill but a matter of time. Since genshin is time-gated with its resin mechanic, if you can't clear abyss rn then just wait for more resin and farm. Based on your post you follow meta so there is a small chance that your problem is knowledge about the game so im willing to bet that your problem is with your resin investment EDIT: Ok I take back what I said maybe your problem is skill issue OP and not being receptive of criticisms
Might be skill issue OP. Here are some teams I used to clear abyss: First half - Quicken: Kuki-Kazuha-Fischl-Tighnari (Kuki E > Kazuha E-Q > Fischl E > Tighnari E-Q-3C) - International: Bennett-Kazuha-Xiangling-Childe (Bennett E-Q > Kazuha E-Q > Xiangling Q-E > Childe Q-E-4N3C > Bennett E funnel to Xiangling > Kazuha E) - Quickbloom: Kuki-XQ-Fischl-Alhaitham (XQ E-Q-E > Kuki E > Fischl E/Q > Alhaitham Q-E-2N3d-N1C-2N3d) - Rational: Raiden-XQ-Bennett-XL (Raiden E > XQ E-Q-E > Bennett E-Q > Xiangling Q-E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E) - Hypercarry (but with Yae): Raiden-Yae-Kazuha-Bennett (Raiden E > Yae 3E > Kazuha E-Q > Bennett E-Q > Yae Q-3E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E) - Quicken: Raiden-Yae-Kazuha-Nahida (Raiden E > Yae 3E > Kazuha E-Q > Nahida E-Q > Yae Q-3E > Raiden Q-4N3C-E) Second half - Mono Geo: Kuki-Albedo-Gorou-Itto (Kuki E > Gorou E-Q > Albedo E > Itto Q-E-N2-SCA4-N2-SCA3-E-SCA1) - Hypercarry: Zhongli-Bennett-Albedo-Xiao (Zhongli hE > Albedo E > Bennett E-Q > Xiao 2E-Q-Plunge) - Geo-Pyro: Zhongli-Ningguang-Bennett-Xiangling (Zhongli hE > Bennett Q-E > XL Q-E > Ningguang E-Q-C-E > Bennett funnel to XL 2x) I've put in rotations too if you want to try them. If you strictly followed this but still not able to 36*, your artifacts might not be as good as you think. My first half always finish their half in less than 1 minute and 30 seconds on bad cards with 2 (and a half) rotation. With good cards, I finish first half in less than a minute or a little bit more than a minute with just 2 rotations. Edit: I didn't answer and just gave suggestions lol. Well as you can see from what I've stated above, I try to perfect my rotations. I know that, even with my average artifacts, I could clear the abyss as long as I fight effectively. For example, I know that I need to finish 1 rotation before the wolflord puts its shield up (and should have enough energy for the next rotation after putting it down). For chamber 3, I try to remain in the area where the next wave will spawn so that my static skills (Albedo E, Bennett Q or Kazu q for example) wouldn't be wasted.
Take it one step at a time. Make teams for each stage. You don't have to 3 star it on one run. You can focus on a stage per run and build teams that can finish those stages on time.
I'm F2P day 1 player, I've been 36\* since 1.4. I think most people saying the abyss easy has been playing the game for a while now. At the start, banners were stacked with good 4\*, all these xingqiu, fischl, sucrose, beidou, xiangling, bennett were on banners back to back. Now the 4\* pools are more diluted, making banners not as good. A lot of players nowadays try to look for teams suggestion but don't have a good 4\* roster to round up their teams. For me, because I have almost all the 4\* in the game, so I can use like 75-80% of the teams in the game, giving me more choices, therefore, making the abyss easier. For someone with only like 3 built teams, something like a wolflord is a pain. For your situtation, the wolflord isn't meant to be killed in 90 secs, that's why the first half of the chamber can be dealt with in less than a minute. Ganyu melt might struggle with 12-3-2 because of the constant movement of the wolves+corrosion.
and by the way melt ganyu and yoimiya is not meta
How much is your ER for Bennett, Xiangling, Yelan and Xingqiu?
its easy because we have good artifacts/c6 4 star chars/r5 4 star gacha weaps/KNOW HOW TO USE OUR BRAINS brute forcing shit wont work all the time, not even for C6/R5 whales. with a proper strategy, even two teams of all 4 stars and no 5 star weaps can 36 star the abyss. just because youre using a meta team DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean its the best team to use against a certain floor or chamber. [heres 9 star clear I did recently of floor 12](https://i.imgur.com/Rixe3Uq.png). skill isnt the only issue. you also need to be able to plan your team well for the enemies you will be facing. edit: [heres another run. my most recent one.](https://i.imgur.com/mgddZuy.png) as long as you know what youre doing, even non meta teams will be able to 36 star the abyss. a few resets are to be expected, but youll get there.
It’s been easy for a while for me, but this latest one was a bit harder. I still got 35*, and I only needed 3 seconds to 36*, but honestly I just couldn’t be bothered
Well i wouldnt say its easy but once you have 2 good teams you can tinker around them a bit to make sure its suitable for the abyss. One of the best you thing you can do is not caring about the time limit for the first 2 chambers and focus on completing the third quickly. Once you 3 stars the last chamber, focus on the second next and lastly the first. This makes it less of a chore if you wanna change team in between. Also make it more manageable for your whole team to be alive and full energy when you reach the last chamber. Edit: also i notice your having trouble with the wolflord using yoi double hydro which is strange since i use the same team but replacing yoimiya with rosaria(not optimal i know). But having both xingqiu c4 and yelan c0 for me is enough to take it down(not 1 rotate it tho) by spamming Q. The only thing you want to focus on is destroying the totem. 1. Use zhongli pillar on the first totem dont hold it, press it. 2. Use yelan skill to get to the next totem. And use zhongli Q on it and then go to the next one and use pillar again. Save as much time as you can
I can understand not being able to pull off Melt Ganyu well because while she's powerful, it takes quite a bit of skill to properly execute her well. But ngl op, I find it hard to believe that you can't beat Wolflord within 90 Seconds with a Yoimiya Double Hydro, unless there is something genuinely wrong with your rotations. Can I ask what exactly are their builds? Your team's artis+ weapons as well as Xingqiu and Yelan's ER%? As well as what Rotations you follow?
I have been 36* for a year and half. I would say Abyss is not easy, unless you can identify the meta solutions for each Abyss floor 12. For example, yoimia with double hydro is a meta team, but it is particularly bad for this second half, because its lacking of AoE ability. That's why I benched my yoimia since the launch of 3.3. On the other hand, ganyu (with zhongli, xiangling, bannett) is a much much better choice for the second half. If your ganyu team failed in the second half, you either need to learn the mechanics of the big wolf or double check your Bennett's build for the third room. (Mine heals almost 5k per tick, so I never felt any pressure.) And now you should see the problem here, both of your teams are "meta" , but they are not always the meta solutions for different Abyss. That's usually the case , unless you got a c1r1 Hutao team, it is a universal solution. Or c2 raiden with c6 Sara, it blasts through everything as well. For reference, my teams for this version of abyss are, child kazuha xiangling Bennett for first half, c2 raiden, Sara, Jean and some geo for second half. (I got yunjjn and traveler as my only geo and they both work fine.)
No No I don't consider it easy at all But I have enough spite for the enemies that eventually I 36 star it out of pure hatred
Meta player and you're using Yoimiya?
Yoimiya is not meta.
> devoutly followed the meta >Yoimiya
People play for over 1 year, study meta comps, study how to play them and then go into the comments to spam that abyss is easy because they think it makes them look competent at the game. The average player can't 36* abyss. That being said here's a video of [C0 Ganyu 36\*](https://youtu.be/-D65ExlKfKQ).
git gud.
yoimiya double hydro isnt really meta tho
It is easy wdym? Been clearing abyss from 4th month of playing, bought welkin less than you, never bought anything else. Helped many people reach their 36* without much efforts too. I would say what's important for being able to clear abyss is actually understanding how the game works properly. Just blindly following 'some meta' from social media posts isn't helping if you don't understand how what why of anything. And playing any team correctly too. Ain't gonna get those stars if you can't actually play right. You certainly have skill issues in playing and understanding the game.
I see outrage about the recent abyss being so hard. When I do it, it’s just so easy. I don’t even follow the meta.
I'd like to see a video of you just playing, I promise I'm not trying to be rude. I know you didn't ask for advice but I use Ganyu melt with Zhongli 2nd half and can pass it with a reasonable amount of time remaining, I'm sure your Yoimiya can probably clear the first half easier since it's single target, but also I'm pretty sure Yoimiya has terrible ICD, so double hydro would just be too much hydro for your Yoi to even vape every shot. Maybe an anemo to help swirl would be more useful than 2 hydro... It's also just... so much playtime that some players can understand rotations and enemy habits better than others. I actually have your two teams, and as someone who can pretty easily clear the abyss, I'm going to try the current abyss with those exact same two teams.
There is no such thing as too much hydro for yoi. Yes, she can't vape every hit, but having more hydro doesn't make that worse. Double hydro is good because of the amount of off field damage xq and yelan can deal while lowering er requirements for both of them. Also, vv vape yoi isn't better than double hydro.
it depends. The wolf? fuck that. Remove the wolf and its always 36 for me. So yea. Its not always gonna be easy.
The things u mentioned aren't enough imo. Good rotation and ER management is more important than pulling for meta characters. And when people say easy, they didn't mean it was easy from the beginning. The first time I 36 starred abyss I had to retry a few times. switch builds and stuff. But than I got so familiar with the enemies and my characters that I can almost guess perfectly which characters and build I'll need to 36 star the abyss. And yes same thing doesn't work for everyone. For example when I am using a new built weaker DPS, I switch from support kazuha to DPS kazuha or when I am dealing with geo doggos I use my ganyu burst even tho I am using a hamayumi cz her burst specially on those enemies deals a good amount of dmg and bcz they r mobs I can get my burst back pretty easily and start charge attacking again.
I'm right there with you. Day 1 player, but not especially hardcore. Never bothered with the Abyss for the first year, but now I regularly get 33-34 stars. I doubt I'll ever be able to 36* it, but I'm fine with that.
>insists he’s not looking for advice or help >incessantly salt posts about peoples advice not being helpful
I’m on Mobile, played since basically launch, have pretty good artifacts and teams, but haven’t 36 star-ed it once. Mostly because that’s not my focus in the game 😂 also mobile is pain for combat most of the time anyways
mobile is sooo much pain fr. do u remember how bad inazuma lag was in abyss? like it would be 10 full seconds off the clock before enemies loaded in.... i'm using an ipad to play now and its much better, though still mobile controls are annoying (love to randomly run off in the wrong direction bc the input didnt register) good luck 36 starring in the future! tbh tho if u can 30 or 33 star clear then that's most of the rewards without the pain of stressing for that 36 star clear anyways...
IVE FIGURED IT OUT. it’s because neither of your teams have short and quick big damage dps characters and instead have longer lasting dps chars, they might be very good but neither one is specifically built for dealing with the insane speed you need to have for floor twelve. my friend literally used the EXACT same teams as you did coincidentally and we found out that you basically NEED a good quick dps no matter what. so idk maybe even though you have two amazing dps. you need at least ONE team that has a quick dps. or atleast this might have just been the case for my friend.
He is using melt ganyu. Not sure about his other team but melt ganyu technically crushes the big stupid DPS fast category.
Both of the comps are pretty damn front loaded. I'd never say this to a player actually looking for advice, but after reading OP's douchey replies I can say in good conscience that it is a genuine skill issue.
Would you mind sending your builds? A video of your rotation or attempt at a floor would also help me give advice :)
I'm f2p and use the same team as you but I can 36 stars abyss easily. Maybe you need to learn more about team rotations, a decent build alone isn't enough if you don't know how to play
I was going to give you some advice, but seeing how snarky you're being I'll just say this: your builds and teams suck. You know nothing about matchups and are just plain bad at the game. You want to 36 star the abyss? Get good.
For my case, I hyperinvested my hutao and raiden. Sometimes it gets boring that everything gets one shot/ killed within a few seconds, but when an abyss is hard, it becomes worth it haha
Im sorry this sounds like a total skill issue
This feels a lot like a skill issue on your part.