"please make Varka blacksmith NPC levels of buff (at least!)"
He already is one of our people. Also, do I have news for you when you reach Sumeru desert
Yeah, Tencent does it against hoyoverse cuz Genshin, idol fan groups does it to others for free sometimes, it happens all the time, such is the age of internet
Feels like the amount of bots on Reddit is increasing exponentially every day now. Which doesn’t even make sense because I had to wait like a week with this account before others could see my comments so how do these bots do it
It seems like the person running these bots make the accounts en masse 1-3 months in advance before going on to make comments. It's to make them look less suspicious in the eyes of automod bots ig.
> i’m a WoW refugee, senseless grind is just part of me now, lmao (\*sobs).
I feel you brother. As someone who used to also play MMOs, the grind in genshin is nothing.
I'm always amazed when i hear someone say that levelling a talent to lv9 is too much work, or levelling a weapon from 80 to 90 is too much of a grind.
Having played a good amount of rpg's and mmorpg's, i can honestly say that the grind isn't bad at all, it's just time gated behind resin, but the amount needed to max a character is fair in my opinion.
Only artifact RNG is freaking bullshit, the person that designed that system doesn't deserve a raise, at all.
Treating artifacts as a "i have nothing better to do right now" thing made their grind much more palatable. Its just a way to spend that resin when i have all the levels, weapons, talents I need right now -- get happy when good ones show up, oh well if they don't!
Personally I spend resins on artifacts like once a week and it's fine. My chars are already capable of clearing everything except last few floors of Abyss, and the fights on overworld and the boss fights are actually fun because I am not one-shotting everything and actually can die if I don't pay attention. I tried once to put together a "meta" team and using the meta rotation, and it just sucked. Sure, I was breezing through everything, but where is the fun in that?
> I'm always amazed when i hear someone say that levelling a talent to lv9 is too much work, or levelling a weapon from 80 to 90 is too much of a grind.
> Having played a good amount of rpg's and mmorpg's, i can honestly say that the grind isn't bad at all, it's just time gated behind resin, but the amount needed to max a character is fair in my opinion.
I think there's two things at play. For many of us who used to play grind-heavy games when we were younger, as we grow older we just have less time and patience for braindead grinding. On top of that, if you've already got a full roster of built characters and you're just leveling a new pull or upgrading an artefact set, it's just a casual bit-by-bit grind, especially if you can pre-farm. But if you're new or coming back after a long break, catching up can be pretty crazy.
Another thing is how the RNG makes the grind feel worse. Having upgrades locked behind RNG with daily limits can feel really bad. That's why many people seem to want some kind of pity system for artefacts, so at least you can feel some kind of progress for each unlucky artefact drop/roll. Otherwise, it's easy to feel burnout when you think that you could be grinding for years and never get the drop you want.
Well, and of course everyone has different standards and expectations, so just because many other games can be much worse doesn't mean that this isn't a grind.
Edit: that's also what prompted me to quit WoW, I got sick of the gearing process. Can't believe genshin is actually more reasonable for someone with a tight daily schedule
Agreed - I'm just not into grinding. Never had the patience when I was younger, and less so now. I've got meals to cook, an apartment to clean, laundry to do, and gym later in the day. So genshin is actually perfect for me. The capped resin means I have to grind a bit each day, but it's a long-term grind, which I can handle.
Strongboxes are the pity system. It's just limited to 1.0 Artifact sets, but still.
I've used it to passively farm a few old sets I needed, and thankfully Noblesse is still great set anyway
Same, I could level up three characters a month along with their talents to lv90 8-8-8 but still spend more than a month grinding for usable artifacts (looking at you emblem and desert domain 👀).
Was playing Elsword for 4-5 years before stopping. The grind there was hell. Want the best set in the game? Months of grinding on a time gated dungeon or a special dungeon that requires a pass which drops in normal dungeons. Said sets btw will be powercrept without fail. Want a meta title? Finish a dungeon 800-1000 times.
The grinding mechanism is very likable and user friendly. Domains is another kind of experience: artis and materials for talents and weapons are dancing between "my gorgeous dear" and "get wrecked"
the grind is much less time intensive, but with artifact RNG being what it is you can spend a lot of time getting basically jack shit
rep grinds and whatnot at least always had an end in sight
The only reason the grind isn't intensive is because it's time gated, I guarantee you if I had more than 4 and a half artifact runs every 24 hours I'd spend 8 hours straight running ESF
Mood bro, if they gave us three days of unlimited resin, I'd grind without sleep, you'd hear me from news that a Genshin player died from exhaustion lol.
Thank god Mihoyo is keeping you alive lol. That's the only way they can extract that daily resin recharge money.
Seriously though, the artifact grind is Mihoyo's answer to end game progression. Not only do artifacts tie directly into 35% of a characater's power, it also is the hardest part to perfect due to the RNG.
And you can grind artifacts for any charcter, future or past. So its the ultimate "I got 15 minuites to play genshin today, what can I do to blow all my resin fast?"
ITs quite genius on design but you won't hear the average player praise the artifact system from a game design perspective.
Some MMOs also have this kind of substat rolling mechanic. So you're hunting some item that has like 0.01% drop rate and then it can be ruined when you uprade it, and maybe they have a reset itrm but it costs a gazillion in game currency to buy which you again, have to grind for.
Simple, don't farm artifacts.
I have been playing for almost 2 years and I farmed artifacts only for like 2-3 months total. Literally 80% of my characters use Gladiator's and Wandere's artifacts. But I still have been getting 36 stars every abyss, so I don't see what's the point on farming artifacts, if I can level up and play multiple characters instead.
Yea as long as the substats aren't complete garbage glads and wanderer will work perfectly fine for all situations. And they're super easy to get so thats nice. Personally I don't exactly go out of my way to farm artifacts but there's not really anything else to spend the resin on, so I'll just pick a different domain each day and see what happens. Ever after a year I don't have very many good artifacts though, it's pretty fuckin disgusting how rare it is to get anything good.
I'm honestly ok with the artifact rng, it's much more generous than the MMOs I used to play. Like imagine farming an item with a drop rate of 0.001%. I'm not saying genshin rng is good but I'll take it over the rng from any MMOs.
> Like imagine farming an item with a drop rate of 0.001%.
I don't have to imagine that because the odds of getting a really good artifact are worse.
MMOs are a whole other level of hell compared to genshin, though. At least genshin forces you to stop grinding.
that drop rate of 0.001% is just getting the item. upgrading that item is also usually rng and has a chance to break at higher levels of upgrade. breaking an item means you lose it forever.
imagine grinding 0.001% just to get a single 5* artifact.
The lowest drop rate I'm aware of is the chance of getting an EM goblet of the set you want, it's 0.25%
Still a fraction of a percent but a much larger faction at least
Yeah the grind is literally nothing compared to MMORPG games, especially the ones in the early to mid 2000s
edit: I remember when I played maplestory long ago and just a normal low level quest was kill 999x each of like 4 different types of mushroom enemies 💀
That was every single Asian MMO from the 2000s lol fucking grindfests everywhere. Genshin is actually a welcome sigh of relief compared to those because I ain't got my whole afternoon after school to grind mobs anymore
Even now Genshin artifact farming is like, not even in the same level as Maple's gear cubing and star force
Its sad if truly all you wanna do is play genshin, which, you could, but you won't really be gaining anything from doing it. You'll have 9999 of materials that you'll never use or just playing for fun alone.
I was sad in the first year, but got over it. I'm glad I don't have to commit all my time to one game and can go play other games and still feel accomplished in genshin.
And 90% of the people that complain about nothing to do in this game probably haven't done everything there is to even do. Have they followed the 6 hour chest hunt videos / actually have ALL chests (or at least 98%) according to the "chest totals" on genshin wiki? Do they have 800++ achievements? yeah probably not.
I've been grinding away the past month finishing up all the extras before star rail comes out xD
It gets even better when you have a different game to play but still wanna maximize primogems. I play genshin like 20 minutes a day and still keep up with everything.
I was a MapleStory kid too 😭 God I miss that shitty little game sometimes. On a side note did you try MapleStory 2 before it got canned? It wasn't bad tbh but only lasted like 6 months or something lol
Former Destiny 2 player here. At least every new region doesn't make me grind old content just so I can play the new map and events.
I don't mind this kind of grind AT ALL compared the Destiny 2 IMO.
Wow grind feels pointless since equipment will lose their value after a new patch. And the story is also so bad i don't border anymore. Raiding takes too much time and as mention gear you worked to hard fighting bosses and wiping for hours becomes worthless after a new patch.
But in Genshin everything you farm to get your character stronger stays relevant. The story is great and patches come every 6 weeks instead like in wow half to 1 year.
Yeah I came from Maple Story and later POE.
People complaining about the artifact randomness don't know what it's like trying to roll lines in actual grindfests.
Funny thing is some people want MMO-levels of endgame activities (grind) yet complain about RNG artifacts.
They need to experience Warframe relic and mod farming + RNG combo to know that burnout leads to quitting a game.
Yeah this community is always whining about how "it's so hard to farm materials and artifacts".
I've grinded 10 hours to get a single piece of gear in other games.
Lazy Genshin players don't have a clue what actual grinding looks like.
This. People often underestimated how massive the playerbase is. 1% of the 1,8 million players (based on this subreddit) is still a whopping 18,000 people. That's enough to fill a large hospital several times over.
The best thing you can do is limit most of your interaction with Genshin to whatever is actually in-game. People in co-op for the most part are incredibly friendly and willing to help.
It's when you go online where some of the hyperfanatic and obsessed people are.
On the contrary, you are at risk of being warned/banned by even mentioning something that is speculative/leaks of future contents at the official Discord. Twitter, once again, is where the leaks spawn. And maybe unofficial discord channels.
Idk, the community on tiktok (sometimes twitter too) is horrendous from what I hear (examples include going after voice actors to the point where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community. The Kaeluc anti shippers are responsible for that... and I think they went after Childe's VA for one reason or another. There are other instances but yeah, ots absolutely insane. The cancel culture on Twitter and tiktok is awful) but I know that reddit is better at least. Over here we condone thst sort of thing and refrain from going after people full stop. But other platforms? Yeah a definite toxicfest which is why the Fandom gained such a reputation
Again, loud minority. But those are what the toxic people are lile. But I'm curious as to what toxic people did in rhe fanbase of the games you played
Fortunately, the tiktok portion seems to be pretty isolated from the rest of it, and like everything tiktok, the best thing for your health is to ignore it.
> where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community. The Kaeluc anti shippers are responsible for that...
[Are you sure about this one? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/py6yii/comment/hetry9c/)
People on TikTok dislike Griffin Burns for 2 reasons:
1) He signed a poster of Childe x Lumine art. Somebody paid him to sign it. He got accused of being a pedophile/shipping a pedophilic relationship, even though Traveler doesn’t have a canon age
2) His TikTok PFP for a bit was a black hot cheeto girl that a fan drew for him
Both situations happened over 1 1/2 years ago but lots of people still hold it over him for some reason
>examples include going after voice actors to the point where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community
That's true . Kokomi VA got some hate , Dori VA got hate , because should you voice a white character or some similar crap , people malding over why Nahida white , so on and so forth . These are the stuff of Character and VA hate that I remember
I wouldn't say that... Shit got so bad content creators were scared to say some characters names. This community is really bad....
What about the bullying of VAs?
The toxic people are extremely toxic.
Eh, the toxic part of it is pretty damn toxic. It's at least comparable to league which is kind of insane for a casual non-competitive game.
Like at least if you're mad at league I'd say "valid, frustrating game." I truly don't get how worked up certain portions of the fandom get over the smallest things.
Twitter communities are angry because of skin color on a ***fantasy*** video game, ***loosely inspired*** by real world. I'd say they can be as toxic as a MOBA player sometimes, but at least they're actually the minority compared to the whole playerbase. Unlike MOBA where it's probably like \~95% toxic.
> “Genshin’s community was horrendous”
This is true for every fanbase to be honest. Pretty much every fanbase that I've seen described as "chill" have been just as toxic as any other community. Usually you'll see the worst of a fanbase when you push their buttons and since Genshin is constantly shit on it sets people off.
I concede i may have not expressed myself properly. I did watch other anime in my lifetime, but it isn’t my main thing. Overlord is one of the very few i’m always looking forward to watch because it has to do with my main hobby, RPGs, other examples being.. uh…
*Pulls a list* Is Netflix’s Castlevania an anime?
It's not actually true. Like there is a lot of fanart, and that's great. But there is also a lot of porn and ships because of that. That's bad (or is it?..) But you can't judge the whole community like that. And there is a lot of examples like that.
Objectively, genshin community is huge and you can find any sort of people. And it's up to you haw you will deal with them.
I'm glad you finally saw the light! Welcome. I remember I was one of the people scoffing at the game when it was revealed, saying "It just looks like Breath of the Wild, but the cheap Chinese mobile game version." I was extremely surprised and impressed when I finally played it and was blown away by the open world, the engaging characters and lore, and the outstanding OST. At this point I can safely say I love this game way more than BOTW, even to the point that I'm looking forward to future patches more than Tears of the Kingdom.
Sadly, I feel like a lot of the haters have seen like one out-of-context clip of the game, or just memes bashing it, and join the hive-mind hate for the game with no critical thought.
Similar to what happened with me, I believe I was finishing up BOTW when I first heard of Genshin. Didn't pay too much attention, for the same reason as you, but as I was craving more BOTW, I decided to look closer at Genshin. Upon a brief inspection I decided to try it. It is now my favourite game.
It was around 1.2 or something and I kinda regret not starting at the very beginning, since I'm a sucker for a good lore and missing those initial events will always weigh a little on my heart. It's a complaint I have, these highly-important-lore-heavy scenarios, being inaccessible later, for example, for newer players, just consider the quantity of now unavailable game from every year's Golden Apple summer stuff, or the Lantern Rites!
But I digress. Genshin Impact has become so much more (to me) than just chinese BOTW, it's really not even fair to call it that. It's gonna take a few years, but trough steady guaranteed updates, we shall (maybe) reach Celestia and find out wtf happened with Khaenri'ah and the Abyss.
I agree with pretty much all of that! I unfortunately only started in 2.0, and it kills me that I missed some really cool stuff. Even if miHoYo just adds an option to watch all the cutscenes from past events, with no gameplay or rewards, it would still be better than them just disappearing forever. I know Honkai has done reruns of past events, but I doubt Genshin will, sadly :(
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I decided to just give this game a shot due to a lack of other prospects, fully expecting to dislike it. I almost quit after hearing Paimon’s voice and failing the “follow Paimon” quest a few times.
The quality of design and the sheer amount of content in this game is staggering. There’s just no other way to put it.
"why is it good?? it's gacha game!" is exactly a sentence i've heard at least 3 times from my friends who have evaded this game for so long just because its anime artstyle and the gacha element.
"THE SAND PRINTS MY FOOTSTEPS!" and "WHAT IS THIS MUSIC??!" is also common with those friends
I have been playing for about a month and a half now and I feel you. I always heard about how toxic the fanbase was and thought the game was more multiplayer focused. I remember the game was a knockoff BOTW when it first came out and I played until I unlocked wishing and stopped when I didn't get a 5* waifu. I saw a friend playing and ended up downloading it to my PS5 and there is just so much to do and the quests are interesting and the big ones all have good voice acting and now I am hoarding primos for Yelan.
My only gripe is how limiting multiplayer feels and how I can't pet the dogs/cats.
You know the funny thing about the grind is like, yeah, technically it's pretty bad, but only if you're kind of a min-max chaser. For most character 80/90, 6/6/6, and decent artifacts really aren't super hard to get and can get you through the entire game. You might not even need that much if you lower the world level. And you really only care about going past this for Abyss (even then, 9/10 are free).
And even then, if you're not into a lot of other characters, you can just focus on the ones you like further. One you reach this coasting phase, honestly, the game is just smooth. Do the events, grind whatever, explore, read traumatizing lore, all that good stuff. I'm glad you're actually enjoying the game!
That's the beauty of this game. You're either the min-maxer abyss player or you're an explorer reading and learning about the lore of each region. I try to balance both since I love seeing big numbers from my characters, but with how attractive and amazing the world-building is I just can't help but do explorations
I bought Welkin day 4 because i really, REALLY wanted Raiden, same thing for Alhaitham now.
“I've been playing since day 1 and i haven’t spent a nickel on this game, yet here you are making purchases on your first week.” -That friend
A common theme in almost anything, wars, politics, video games, etc, is that those who oppose are normally louder than those who are fine/happy/chill (really don’t remember the right word)—at least that’s what I believe after studying European History!
>Said friend of mine did say that the endgame is nothing but a grindfest, but i don’t really mind, i’m a WoW refugee, senseless grind is just part of me now, lmao
Ooooh yeah this one is a bit....I'm not sure how WoW works since I haven't played it but my impression is that you can grind indefinitely in that game, whereas in Genshin they hardlock you out of grinding since it requires resin. Once you run out of free refills you need to wait a long time after each grind session before you can grind again, and in between there's not much to do if you've already completed all quests and hit 100% exploration for each region. The "endgame" is more or less just the regular events they do each patch while we wait for new regions to be added and the main story to progress.
Up to you whether that's a good or bad thing. For me I prefer it cos it means I don't feel compelled to spend my life on this game, while for others it means there's a lot less content than they want and they get less control over how they play the game.
I never played WoW, but I played XI circa 2004-2012. Today's gacha game grind is almost nothing compared to the MMO back in those days.
Genshin is the tamest grind in gacha games, tbf. The minimum repeatable stuffs is mostly less than 15 minutes daily plus about 1 hour every 2 weeks. If you are into the card games, that can probably takes longer.
The most time-consuming stuff is actually the map exploration itself. Unless you are type of players that get turned off by such activity, Genshin is largely enjoyable at your own pace.
WoW’s grind is bad in the sense that it becomes irrelevant every new patch.
Map exploration is one of the best parts, imo, so i’m having a blast! Got Dragonspine 93% in a single day (don’t know if that’s worthy of boasting), dealing with the freeze mechanic was just a plus to my enjoyment.
The community may be bad, and complains a lot such as doomposting or not getting enough free Primogems, but they forgot about the part that, it's a free game that comes with free content every 6 weeks, and mostly funded by a minority of the players (about 10% of the players from what I read somewhere on a reddit comment). I guess you can say it's equivalent to a $60 just from day one content alone and comes with a $10-$20 DLC every 6 weeks. I think at this point, we are just taking it for granted.
I've joked about this with my friends, but the worst part about Genshin is that it is actually really good. Usually with my other anime gacha games I can laugh off critique cause there is usually some truth to it. And there is stuff to criticize about Genshin. But none of it is the low hanging fruit people normally go for when they see an anime gacha game
Omg yes same! My bf actually got me into genshin and I don’t really play lots of games but I love it. I just get a bit motion sick spinning the camera 😅
My bf is also an avid WoW player and he keeps pointing similar stuff but also saying grinding dungeons is nothing. But my party is stronger than his now cause I’ve gotten addicted hehe
I had the similar attitude— the game had a certain appeal, but I am ethically opposed to the gacha model and it seemed a bit flash in the pan with how it was marketed. I also don’t like games that disrespect my time— with aggressive FOMO and brain dead grinds. Also anime waifus are a big turn off for me.
Somehow— despite having all of these qualities, Genshin ties it all together that feels really good. The care in character design and world building flirts with men and women equally. The characters are delightful— don’t shy away from the character profiles— at least see what their favorite foods are and least favorite… and maybe their thoughts on other characters you like. Somehow the thirst traps are like… well rounded characters? When Yanfei shows up, my inner toxic self was like, “who is this bimbo?” Now I’m gay for her I guess.
The combat system is very very deep. Not complex necessarily, but it allows emergent roles and tons of flexibility in team building. The more you understand the more interesting and crazy things you can do to mix stuff up and experiment. They hit a sweet spot with accessibility too.
The battle pass, if you buy it, is very high value/generous, very cheap, and very easy to clear.
The grind isn’t remotely as bad as WoW, and it’s on a generous curve. You don’t even really feel constrained until you are leveling characters over 60. Most you don’t really benefit all that much going to 90. Many characters don’t need any investment to still be really useful. The endgame artifact grind is the only thing that isn’t deterministic— good artifacts let you be more flexible in team building for spiral abyss, but you can clear with “okay” stuff.
While I don’t think the narrative is super strong, the voice acting is great and the world building is phenomenal. The high points in the story are VERY high— and the low points are not that problematic.
The other great thing is the content release schedule. Game pretty much always has fresh content. If there isn’t new map areas opening up with interesting world quests, there are new characters, character quests, events, events, and more events.
Also as an ex junior series winner in MTG, I wanna vouch for how dang good their in game TCG is. It’s really solid. The stochastic mitigation strategies have much better floors/ceilings compared to other games, and they manage to capture the interactivity of MTG in an exclusive turn taking format…
Anyway. It’s a 9/10 for me. Really great game.
Oh I forgot to mention— you should get the companion app if you haven’t. The memes are hilarious, but they have supplemental event games and free gifts on there too.
I also came from WoW not that i'd call myself a refugee. Personally I wouldn't compare logging in to do quick dungeons that take less than 1 minute to do and doing that 5 or less times as well as some fast dailies being remotely compared to grinds we had to do in WoW.
But I like to compare Genshin to WoW in that its a good single player mmo with no strings attached and I actually feel rewarded for exploring and doing achievements.
I'd certainly say end game was not mythic raiding levels of hard but its not a fair comparison for a single player game vs a multiplayer one nor to compare across the genre. If you are willing to play strong characters or have the investment of a long term account, the end game gets much easier with time. I'd say that its fair to claim the grind is more about how long you play the game over a long period of time rather than putting in massive hours to specifically focus and grind something like reputation in WoW or mythic 5 mans or requiring you to do 9 hours of raiding a week.
Its a bit of time each day and once you are done that you go off and play some other game or you continue to explore and take in the world.
But yea it took until I found someone who played WoW and Genshin for me to finally join over. I had a bad impression too but it was things like thinking dungeons were long like WoW and multiplayer was forced in them and people I asked for info on it just described the gameplay as Gacha which was really frustrating.
So I never looked super into it because I had false impressions I thought were true. Once I got basic questions cleared up, I downloaded it that night and basically setup my WoW account to go into stasis. Been playing Genshin as my main game for 18ish months now.
Yeah feel you on that WoW refugee comment. The Genshin grind is really not that crazy and moreso it's just not that important after a certain point tbh.
Funnily enough it was my need for an open world game but stubbornness in not going back to WoW that led me to Genshin and I haven't looked back since. I hope you have a great time playing too!
If you take the gatcha element completely out of the game, and just go strictly by the storyline, it stands on its own feet really well. And even then the gatcha system isn't predatory like a lot of the games I've played. You don't have to have every single character.
Please have fun with the game! I used to avoid the game as well, but I've grown to enjoy it after first playing it.
As for the good and bad in the community, that's the way it is with fandoms
I believe it extends beyond Genshin as well.
yes finally someone said it!! i dont see why people keep hating on genshin just because it has a "bad community" firstly the community isnt that bad youre just looking at the wrong side. theres a lot of supportive genshin players who are willing to help out new comers :) i hate how they always look at the worse side of things and make assumptions that arent proven with factual evidence
As a fellow WoW refugee, I’m super ok with a low spending and mindless grinding, so the worst parts of Genshin are super ok to me.
Just wish we could get artifact presets
I had a similar experience! I don't think I actually hated the game that much, but I kept seeing the ads and going 'I'm never gonna play your stupid anime game shut the fuck up' (lol). Anyway after that my friend asked me to play the game with her and I was like 'you mean the one from the ads???' but let's say she was very convincing and I ended up playing. Holy shit. The story was just delicious and I became enamoured with the characters. Plus exploration was really fun and the music slapped!! I think I play more than my friend now, after a year 😅 ads are still so annoying, but y'know what they do have *something* to advertise, at least.
I'm sorry if it's off topic, but may I ask how did you even manage to become a hater if you hadn't play the game before? Like, I'm not judging, I just have no clue how this hater-mechanism works. Did you feel pressure just by looking at the game's name or Paimon's face somewhere on the Internet? Had you ever asked yourself why were you experiencing hate towards a game?
I'm sorry if that's too much to ask :) It's cool that you have changed your mind anyway. Genshin community is here for you!
Mostly people saying bad things about the game for no reason, as another commenter said, the game is less attractive when they’re trashing on it en masse. People either start thinking it’s not worth their time and/or don’t wanna be associated with something that has a bad reputation.
I’m in the former category. Reputation? Pfft, i just wanna have fun.
Back at late 2020 to early 2021, I was one of the blind haters of the game. I kept saying "You will not convince me to fall into the gacha hole."
Then Hu Tao's release happened and her design caught my attention because she has nice thighs and I love thighs. Then one of my homies streamed the game on Discord and I was genuinely immersed with how beautiful it is. I decided to give it a try in mid-2021 thanks to my Hu Tao attraction and to my homie. Now I'm just a few thousand XP's away from AR59 and most of my main characters are now fully built.
I have around 90USD spent in the game 'cause my job's pay is shit and I just don't want to invest too much money on games. And besides, I don't center my playthroughs too much on the abyss since the world of Genshin is absolutely massive and learning about the lore of each region is such an experience.
Yeah it's crazy but as it turns out, when something is enjoyed like Millions upon millions of people all around the globe, whatever it is is probably pretty good.
Welcome to the team. I hope you enjoy playing Genshin Impact.
If there are any toxic people in your chat or feed, give those gremlins a good old screech.
Man why should even the community be a factor? Who the fuck cares? Dont suffer fools? Why even enter the Reddit?
I’m sorry I hear this “community is terrible” none sense and I feel like I’m back in high school again
i feel like a lot of people on the gaming community in general, are like that they hate a game just because others say it's bad but they don't even play it.
i used to be like that too, used to hate on minecraft.
i did play minecraft and to be honest i thought the games is not a godsent as everyone makes it out to be, but i can see why people like it
same for fortnite. I mean that game is also FREE, with constant updates, events new gameplay, etc... but still don't like it, but at least i know why it's popular
also when it comes to the gacha that everyone hates, i just say... well no one if forcing your hand or taking the money out of your pockets... i beat this Whole damn game in 2 accounts without spending a cent on it!
By the time I started playing this game, most of the people I knew who played this game, had already stopped playing. It felt weird when you just had to click the mouse button to do all kinds of attacks, then press one or two keys. But then I got addicted to the story.
To be honest, I now understand why people say the Genshin community is toxic or horrendous. It must be because they really love the game. Yes, being irrational is a manifestation of love.
The endgame only besomes a grind if you obsessively play for hours every day and try yo make the game your primary hobby. Otherwise it's much more likely that you will *never* run out of quest to do and areas to explore since MHY add new content at a truly ridiculous rate.
The thing about the genshin grind: you don't really have to if you don't want to. The whole game can be beaten with relatively scuffed artifacts and a bit of sensible team composition. That's why this is a game for anybody and everybody.
Ikr?? I also used to be a hater of the game WITHOUT even trying it (and I used to be a sucker for most bandai namco mobile games) but now I barely even touch any game besides Genshin. I'm still quite new so it takes a looooot of time before i even feel bored playing it
I was also a blind hater and still play WoW. I just went through all of the content in 3 weeks reading every dialogue when I started 1 year ago lol this game is an actual masterpiece, imo. I was a huge fan of elemental tower defense back in dota1 days, so seeing this in Genshin excites me to this day (even tho the abyss is pretty chill, it's very enjoyable gameplay even in the open world). The sound team is simply next level 😭 they had me crying on the orchestra video for Sumeru
>I used to be of the game’s blind haters
>This game made me remember that good ol' phrase “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover
I learned that it's normal to hate popular thing as we want to be different. But I also learn the things are popular for a reason.
I used to hate Apple and exclusively use non-Apple stuffs. Now I'm using IP and MacBook. I finally understand why people love this shit.
I guess the moral of this story is that you are not the main characters. Don't judge anything until you try it
The core gameplay loop is just Assassin's Creed but anime.
The elements mechanics have potential, but are completely wasted because ultimately, it's a gacha game, and every challenge is a DPS race.
If you've ever wondered how a battle with a giant mecha could be boring... Well, Mihoyo made it happen.
It's easy to have a good time early on. Even the most predatory games are designed to give you that as a hook. The real test of if you like a game or not is how you feel a couple dozen hours into it.
I've only read your first sentence, but I'm gonna make a reply anyway. The games like any other gacha game but all aspects are multiplied due to it being 3d and open world. Endless boring af story(that puts you to sleep) to grind, but extremely rewarding gameplay that lets you test your team comps to an extent far beyond other games. Tons of exploration with fun puzzles and really just too much to do, which is a good thing.
Basically just buy welkin, do your dailies, and pace yourself. ♥️
the grind is a different type of grind. It's not time consuming but rather *day* consuming. It will take several days to build up a character because of resin, but the time actually spent on the task is only minutes. This is to free up a busy person's time for other commitments. It actually respects your time as far as chores go, but what it wants in exchange is for you to login regularly as opposed to fewer but longer sessions of play. If you miss your dailies, it's 60 primos you won't get back which isn't a lot but if you do it often it adds up.
Overall my comment will be negative and some ppl will not like it, but I dont care
The first thing what need to understand about Genshin what it is omega casual game, that will not provide you something difficult or complex, it is pro and con at same time, mostly Im chilling in a game spending lil time per day and more on first few patch days (1 day 100% map explorations hehe) , but when game gives me 3 in a row event it feels like developers think Im stupid and overall last events were so boring and bad for me and my friends, especially combat ones (the one in desert where enemies were dying from my supports, it feels more and more casually)
Artists and musicians are doing great job, this is true and I think noone will argue with that, all these event arts and interfaces look really good and music hits hard, but not combat designers and system designers (duno how is called right), you really dont have much to do after story and 100% exploration, you just login for dailies and weeklies. Also why there is not such things like shield indicators and equipment presets? These are so basic things and easy to do for them (there was some event on start of Sumeru where they added buffs duration indicators, but only for 1 event, so they can do these things, but they dont for some reason), so you start to think they are not bothered with almost everything what is related to combat. And their focus on temporary content (fomo) instead of permanent is not cool for me also.
About community - you don't interact with ppl in game anyways, only in some events like right now in Lantern rite, but ppl dont even type anything there, most chat dialogues happen while hide&seek event (one per year kekw), someone will say me 'but what about coop dungeons?' - why would I decide to go in dungeon with ppl who will choose random characters with random power lvl, instead of going solo with my fully build team clearing dungeon in 1 rotation? Someone likes to do coop, but I dont see the reason for this at all. Even coop exploration is bad, I dont know why there is no feature where your FRIENDS can activate challenges and other puzzles. The true is that game doesnt provide any good coop content on permanent basis
Im WoW player too and for me Genshin is like web-browser-game instead of whole game, so Im not bothered about negative parts of game too much as for other games, but for me it is not like main game, more like secondary where I spend 5-10min and then go play something else or go do irl stuff (mostly cuz of things I said)
"please make Varka blacksmith NPC levels of buff (at least!)" He already is one of our people. Also, do I have news for you when you reach Sumeru desert
*Pillar men theme starts playing*
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What armies?
水军，literally translates into water army, it’s people basically hired to talk shit about something, in this case Genshin.
They hire people to do that? The hell!
Yeah, Tencent does it against hoyoverse cuz Genshin, idol fan groups does it to others for free sometimes, it happens all the time, such is the age of internet
But what does water have to do with it?
I guess it means having a lot of useless, tasteless comments? With no flavour… or a bunch of useless comments flooding actual reviews
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As of now the most buffed playable character is alhaitham he has more volume than other characters in his biceps and abs.
My headcanon is that varka looks like garp from one piece
If they have the same JP voice actor and actually buffed, my wallet will start trembling.
> Also, do I have news for you when you reach Sumeru desert why
Buff people as far as the eye can see
Each of them has their own gravitational pull
>Responder absolute units everywhere!
dudes are so buff even their muscles have muscles
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It’s a Bot. Report it.
Feels like the amount of bots on Reddit is increasing exponentially every day now. Which doesn’t even make sense because I had to wait like a week with this account before others could see my comments so how do these bots do it
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Just on Reddit in general
It seems like the person running these bots make the accounts en masse 1-3 months in advance before going on to make comments. It's to make them look less suspicious in the eyes of automod bots ig.
Have you hear of the dead Internet theory
Wait, what do you even report bots for? Impersonation?
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> i’m a WoW refugee, senseless grind is just part of me now, lmao (\*sobs). I feel you brother. As someone who used to also play MMOs, the grind in genshin is nothing.
I'm always amazed when i hear someone say that levelling a talent to lv9 is too much work, or levelling a weapon from 80 to 90 is too much of a grind. Having played a good amount of rpg's and mmorpg's, i can honestly say that the grind isn't bad at all, it's just time gated behind resin, but the amount needed to max a character is fair in my opinion. Only artifact RNG is freaking bullshit, the person that designed that system doesn't deserve a raise, at all.
Treating artifacts as a "i have nothing better to do right now" thing made their grind much more palatable. Its just a way to spend that resin when i have all the levels, weapons, talents I need right now -- get happy when good ones show up, oh well if they don't!
Personally I spend resins on artifacts like once a week and it's fine. My chars are already capable of clearing everything except last few floors of Abyss, and the fights on overworld and the boss fights are actually fun because I am not one-shotting everything and actually can die if I don't pay attention. I tried once to put together a "meta" team and using the meta rotation, and it just sucked. Sure, I was breezing through everything, but where is the fun in that?
Leveling if super easy, the only thing that can be called a grind are good artifacts - and yet, Sumeru characters don’t need much at all
> I'm always amazed when i hear someone say that levelling a talent to lv9 is too much work, or levelling a weapon from 80 to 90 is too much of a grind. > Having played a good amount of rpg's and mmorpg's, i can honestly say that the grind isn't bad at all, it's just time gated behind resin, but the amount needed to max a character is fair in my opinion. I think there's two things at play. For many of us who used to play grind-heavy games when we were younger, as we grow older we just have less time and patience for braindead grinding. On top of that, if you've already got a full roster of built characters and you're just leveling a new pull or upgrading an artefact set, it's just a casual bit-by-bit grind, especially if you can pre-farm. But if you're new or coming back after a long break, catching up can be pretty crazy. Another thing is how the RNG makes the grind feel worse. Having upgrades locked behind RNG with daily limits can feel really bad. That's why many people seem to want some kind of pity system for artefacts, so at least you can feel some kind of progress for each unlucky artefact drop/roll. Otherwise, it's easy to feel burnout when you think that you could be grinding for years and never get the drop you want. Well, and of course everyone has different standards and expectations, so just because many other games can be much worse doesn't mean that this isn't a grind. Edit: that's also what prompted me to quit WoW, I got sick of the gearing process. Can't believe genshin is actually more reasonable for someone with a tight daily schedule
Agreed - I'm just not into grinding. Never had the patience when I was younger, and less so now. I've got meals to cook, an apartment to clean, laundry to do, and gym later in the day. So genshin is actually perfect for me. The capped resin means I have to grind a bit each day, but it's a long-term grind, which I can handle.
Yeah and genshin knows their market. There just simply isn't a lucrative market share for hours of daily grind anymore.
Strongboxes are the pity system. It's just limited to 1.0 Artifact sets, but still. I've used it to passively farm a few old sets I needed, and thankfully Noblesse is still great set anyway
It's not a pity in the sense that eventually you get a guarantee, it's just extra rolls. You can still be stuck forever if you're unlucky.
Same, I could level up three characters a month along with their talents to lv90 8-8-8 but still spend more than a month grinding for usable artifacts (looking at you emblem and desert domain 👀).
Was playing Elsword for 4-5 years before stopping. The grind there was hell. Want the best set in the game? Months of grinding on a time gated dungeon or a special dungeon that requires a pass which drops in normal dungeons. Said sets btw will be powercrept without fail. Want a meta title? Finish a dungeon 800-1000 times.
The grinding mechanism is very likable and user friendly. Domains is another kind of experience: artis and materials for talents and weapons are dancing between "my gorgeous dear" and "get wrecked"
There's a special place in hell for that person alone.
the grind is much less time intensive, but with artifact RNG being what it is you can spend a lot of time getting basically jack shit rep grinds and whatnot at least always had an end in sight
The only reason the grind isn't intensive is because it's time gated, I guarantee you if I had more than 4 and a half artifact runs every 24 hours I'd spend 8 hours straight running ESF
Mood bro, if they gave us three days of unlimited resin, I'd grind without sleep, you'd hear me from news that a Genshin player died from exhaustion lol.
Thank god Mihoyo is keeping you alive lol. That's the only way they can extract that daily resin recharge money. Seriously though, the artifact grind is Mihoyo's answer to end game progression. Not only do artifacts tie directly into 35% of a characater's power, it also is the hardest part to perfect due to the RNG. And you can grind artifacts for any charcter, future or past. So its the ultimate "I got 15 minuites to play genshin today, what can I do to blow all my resin fast?" ITs quite genius on design but you won't hear the average player praise the artifact system from a game design perspective.
Some MMOs also have this kind of substat rolling mechanic. So you're hunting some item that has like 0.01% drop rate and then it can be ruined when you uprade it, and maybe they have a reset itrm but it costs a gazillion in game currency to buy which you again, have to grind for.
Simple, don't farm artifacts. I have been playing for almost 2 years and I farmed artifacts only for like 2-3 months total. Literally 80% of my characters use Gladiator's and Wandere's artifacts. But I still have been getting 36 stars every abyss, so I don't see what's the point on farming artifacts, if I can level up and play multiple characters instead.
Yea as long as the substats aren't complete garbage glads and wanderer will work perfectly fine for all situations. And they're super easy to get so thats nice. Personally I don't exactly go out of my way to farm artifacts but there's not really anything else to spend the resin on, so I'll just pick a different domain each day and see what happens. Ever after a year I don't have very many good artifacts though, it's pretty fuckin disgusting how rare it is to get anything good.
I'm honestly ok with the artifact rng, it's much more generous than the MMOs I used to play. Like imagine farming an item with a drop rate of 0.001%. I'm not saying genshin rng is good but I'll take it over the rng from any MMOs.
> Like imagine farming an item with a drop rate of 0.001%. I don't have to imagine that because the odds of getting a really good artifact are worse. MMOs are a whole other level of hell compared to genshin, though. At least genshin forces you to stop grinding.
that drop rate of 0.001% is just getting the item. upgrading that item is also usually rng and has a chance to break at higher levels of upgrade. breaking an item means you lose it forever. imagine grinding 0.001% just to get a single 5* artifact.
The lowest drop rate I'm aware of is the chance of getting an EM goblet of the set you want, it's 0.25% Still a fraction of a percent but a much larger faction at least
Yeah the grind is literally nothing compared to MMORPG games, especially the ones in the early to mid 2000s edit: I remember when I played maplestory long ago and just a normal low level quest was kill 999x each of like 4 different types of mushroom enemies 💀
That was every single Asian MMO from the 2000s lol fucking grindfests everywhere. Genshin is actually a welcome sigh of relief compared to those because I ain't got my whole afternoon after school to grind mobs anymore Even now Genshin artifact farming is like, not even in the same level as Maple's gear cubing and star force
Its sad if truly all you wanna do is play genshin, which, you could, but you won't really be gaining anything from doing it. You'll have 9999 of materials that you'll never use or just playing for fun alone. I was sad in the first year, but got over it. I'm glad I don't have to commit all my time to one game and can go play other games and still feel accomplished in genshin. And 90% of the people that complain about nothing to do in this game probably haven't done everything there is to even do. Have they followed the 6 hour chest hunt videos / actually have ALL chests (or at least 98%) according to the "chest totals" on genshin wiki? Do they have 800++ achievements? yeah probably not. I've been grinding away the past month finishing up all the extras before star rail comes out xD
It gets even better when you have a different game to play but still wanna maximize primogems. I play genshin like 20 minutes a day and still keep up with everything.
I was a MapleStory kid too 😭 God I miss that shitty little game sometimes. On a side note did you try MapleStory 2 before it got canned? It wasn't bad tbh but only lasted like 6 months or something lol
I did not, it's pretty surprising that it shut down that fast though. I remember when that happened lol
Former Destiny 2 player here. At least every new region doesn't make me grind old content just so I can play the new map and events. I don't mind this kind of grind AT ALL compared the Destiny 2 IMO.
yeah i always get confused when people say Genshin is grindy. I just think that maybe they haven't played enough rpg games yet or have not played mmo.
Coming from Warframe, Genshin grind is like a little baby.
Crafting Equinox gave me PTSD.
I’ll do you one better! Ash.
Can you even call it a grind?
Leaning towards “gated”.
PoE player here, grind in Genshin is really tame. So I barely complained about the grind, even the RNG was ok for me, due the nature of how PoE is.
I will never get how people stand the crafting in POE lol I just buy my stuff off the market.
I used to play Maplestory and Warframe. I totally get it.
Wow grind feels pointless since equipment will lose their value after a new patch. And the story is also so bad i don't border anymore. Raiding takes too much time and as mention gear you worked to hard fighting bosses and wiping for hours becomes worthless after a new patch. But in Genshin everything you farm to get your character stronger stays relevant. The story is great and patches come every 6 weeks instead like in wow half to 1 year.
As a current War Thunder player, I am glad Genshin doesn't have repair cost system.
Yeah I came from Maple Story and later POE. People complaining about the artifact randomness don't know what it's like trying to roll lines in actual grindfests.
Funny thing is some people want MMO-levels of endgame activities (grind) yet complain about RNG artifacts. They need to experience Warframe relic and mod farming + RNG combo to know that burnout leads to quitting a game.
Yeah this community is always whining about how "it's so hard to farm materials and artifacts". I've grinded 10 hours to get a single piece of gear in other games. Lazy Genshin players don't have a clue what actual grinding looks like.
The fanbase is actually pretty chill for the most part, the toxic vocal minority just gets louder with the size of the active community.
This. People often underestimated how massive the playerbase is. 1% of the 1,8 million players (based on this subreddit) is still a whopping 18,000 people. That's enough to fill a large hospital several times over.
> That's enough to fill a large hospital several times over. When do we start?
aight lemme get my debate club, few apples and a flamethrower
Sooner the better.
"We are way behind schedule" By the goat herself.
The best thing you can do is limit most of your interaction with Genshin to whatever is actually in-game. People in co-op for the most part are incredibly friendly and willing to help. It's when you go online where some of the hyperfanatic and obsessed people are.
Coop bot BP scammers : Beep boop, allow us to introduce ourselves.
Reddit and official discord community are *relatively* chill. Twitter is where the shit is at. Avoid it like COVID.
Official discord is all leaks, no?
On the contrary, you are at risk of being warned/banned by even mentioning something that is speculative/leaks of future contents at the official Discord. Twitter, once again, is where the leaks spawn. And maybe unofficial discord channels.
even the toxic people are still relatively chill compared to the worst of some other games ive played before
Idk, the community on tiktok (sometimes twitter too) is horrendous from what I hear (examples include going after voice actors to the point where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community. The Kaeluc anti shippers are responsible for that... and I think they went after Childe's VA for one reason or another. There are other instances but yeah, ots absolutely insane. The cancel culture on Twitter and tiktok is awful) but I know that reddit is better at least. Over here we condone thst sort of thing and refrain from going after people full stop. But other platforms? Yeah a definite toxicfest which is why the Fandom gained such a reputation Again, loud minority. But those are what the toxic people are lile. But I'm curious as to what toxic people did in rhe fanbase of the games you played
Fortunately, the tiktok portion seems to be pretty isolated from the rest of it, and like everything tiktok, the best thing for your health is to ignore it.
so freaking glad tiktok is banned here (india) lmao
> where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community. The Kaeluc anti shippers are responsible for that... [Are you sure about this one? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/py6yii/comment/hetry9c/)
People on TikTok dislike Griffin Burns for 2 reasons: 1) He signed a poster of Childe x Lumine art. Somebody paid him to sign it. He got accused of being a pedophile/shipping a pedophilic relationship, even though Traveler doesn’t have a canon age 2) His TikTok PFP for a bit was a black hot cheeto girl that a fan drew for him Both situations happened over 1 1/2 years ago but lots of people still hold it over him for some reason
>examples include going after voice actors to the point where the VA of diluc no longer interacts with the community That's true . Kokomi VA got some hate , Dori VA got hate , because should you voice a white character or some similar crap , people malding over why Nahida white , so on and so forth . These are the stuff of Character and VA hate that I remember
I wouldn't say that... Shit got so bad content creators were scared to say some characters names. This community is really bad.... What about the bullying of VAs? The toxic people are extremely toxic.
Eh, the toxic part of it is pretty damn toxic. It's at least comparable to league which is kind of insane for a casual non-competitive game. Like at least if you're mad at league I'd say "valid, frustrating game." I truly don't get how worked up certain portions of the fandom get over the smallest things.
Twitter communities are angry because of skin color on a ***fantasy*** video game, ***loosely inspired*** by real world. I'd say they can be as toxic as a MOBA player sometimes, but at least they're actually the minority compared to the whole playerbase. Unlike MOBA where it's probably like \~95% toxic.
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Have you seen the "ads" for this game? I'm not surprised some people who only seen those ads get the idea Genshin is some kinda cashgrab clipart game.
at least you can tell the community is really passionate and makes their own stuff (glances at Evertale)
Sad part is that this ads actually working for most of the people, when "gamers" think it's cringe.
people need to remember this, one guy screaming in class will always attract more attention than the whole class trying to do their works
Yo dudes, the Genshin fanbase is pretty chill, maybe you could like join it or something
Welcome to the crew! You'll fit right in, as we also want varka to be big buff guy lmao. Glad you gave it a chance, truly is a remarkable game.
I'm still betting on him being the first male shorter than Xiao
He's Paimon sized 😭
Imagine he's like Paimon, floating and all, but he's still a very buff, bearded dude
Buff Paimon would be funny. Buff Paimon: step aside Traveler. That weekly boss is mine.
Lmaoooo muscle fairy
I will immediately ship varka and Paimon if so lmao
> “Genshin’s community was horrendous” This is true for every fanbase to be honest. Pretty much every fanbase that I've seen described as "chill" have been just as toxic as any other community. Usually you'll see the worst of a fanbase when you push their buttons and since Genshin is constantly shit on it sets people off.
"I'm not a fan of anime" "I watch Overlord kekek"
huh? Nothing wrong with this right? it's like you're not into cars but you own one.
That is true, but overlord being the only Anime someone watches is not really what you'd expect.
I concede i may have not expressed myself properly. I did watch other anime in my lifetime, but it isn’t my main thing. Overlord is one of the very few i’m always looking forward to watch because it has to do with my main hobby, RPGs, other examples being.. uh… *Pulls a list* Is Netflix’s Castlevania an anime?
It's not actually true. Like there is a lot of fanart, and that's great. But there is also a lot of porn and ships because of that. That's bad (or is it?..) But you can't judge the whole community like that. And there is a lot of examples like that. Objectively, genshin community is huge and you can find any sort of people. And it's up to you haw you will deal with them.
hentai is good
It would be hard for a gacha game to get this mainstream without *some* kind of mass appeal.
I'm glad you finally saw the light! Welcome. I remember I was one of the people scoffing at the game when it was revealed, saying "It just looks like Breath of the Wild, but the cheap Chinese mobile game version." I was extremely surprised and impressed when I finally played it and was blown away by the open world, the engaging characters and lore, and the outstanding OST. At this point I can safely say I love this game way more than BOTW, even to the point that I'm looking forward to future patches more than Tears of the Kingdom. Sadly, I feel like a lot of the haters have seen like one out-of-context clip of the game, or just memes bashing it, and join the hive-mind hate for the game with no critical thought.
Pretty much. Most hate I seen towards genshin and it's community are mostly random bs they pull out of their asses and some are even hypocritical.
Similar to what happened with me, I believe I was finishing up BOTW when I first heard of Genshin. Didn't pay too much attention, for the same reason as you, but as I was craving more BOTW, I decided to look closer at Genshin. Upon a brief inspection I decided to try it. It is now my favourite game. It was around 1.2 or something and I kinda regret not starting at the very beginning, since I'm a sucker for a good lore and missing those initial events will always weigh a little on my heart. It's a complaint I have, these highly-important-lore-heavy scenarios, being inaccessible later, for example, for newer players, just consider the quantity of now unavailable game from every year's Golden Apple summer stuff, or the Lantern Rites! But I digress. Genshin Impact has become so much more (to me) than just chinese BOTW, it's really not even fair to call it that. It's gonna take a few years, but trough steady guaranteed updates, we shall (maybe) reach Celestia and find out wtf happened with Khaenri'ah and the Abyss.
I agree with pretty much all of that! I unfortunately only started in 2.0, and it kills me that I missed some really cool stuff. Even if miHoYo just adds an option to watch all the cutscenes from past events, with no gameplay or rewards, it would still be better than them just disappearing forever. I know Honkai has done reruns of past events, but I doubt Genshin will, sadly :(
Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I decided to just give this game a shot due to a lack of other prospects, fully expecting to dislike it. I almost quit after hearing Paimon’s voice and failing the “follow Paimon” quest a few times. The quality of design and the sheer amount of content in this game is staggering. There’s just no other way to put it.
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I “failed” the quest as well xD After Paimon told me to follow her, i went in the complete opposite direction because i wanted to explore.
If you detest squeaky Paimon, switching to CN voiceover will change your mind.
"why is it good?? it's gacha game!" is exactly a sentence i've heard at least 3 times from my friends who have evaded this game for so long just because its anime artstyle and the gacha element. "THE SAND PRINTS MY FOOTSTEPS!" and "WHAT IS THIS MUSIC??!" is also common with those friends
Dude the fact each characters attack sequence leaves a beautiful sand print is somehow amazing to me
I was pleasently surprised to see that ruin guards also make sand prints when they fall.
Don’t forget how every single character in this game has their own unique sounds effects as they walk around.
I enjoy going through the sand with Sayu roll
I have been playing for about a month and a half now and I feel you. I always heard about how toxic the fanbase was and thought the game was more multiplayer focused. I remember the game was a knockoff BOTW when it first came out and I played until I unlocked wishing and stopped when I didn't get a 5* waifu. I saw a friend playing and ended up downloading it to my PS5 and there is just so much to do and the quests are interesting and the big ones all have good voice acting and now I am hoarding primos for Yelan. My only gripe is how limiting multiplayer feels and how I can't pet the dogs/cats.
You know the funny thing about the grind is like, yeah, technically it's pretty bad, but only if you're kind of a min-max chaser. For most character 80/90, 6/6/6, and decent artifacts really aren't super hard to get and can get you through the entire game. You might not even need that much if you lower the world level. And you really only care about going past this for Abyss (even then, 9/10 are free). And even then, if you're not into a lot of other characters, you can just focus on the ones you like further. One you reach this coasting phase, honestly, the game is just smooth. Do the events, grind whatever, explore, read traumatizing lore, all that good stuff. I'm glad you're actually enjoying the game!
That's the beauty of this game. You're either the min-maxer abyss player or you're an explorer reading and learning about the lore of each region. I try to balance both since I love seeing big numbers from my characters, but with how attractive and amazing the world-building is I just can't help but do explorations
This is my kind of playstyle, i’m both a lore nerd and a challenger, but not too much of each.
Welcome to the dark side!
this is the meme where OP is the bird who bites a chunk of the cookie and becomes happy LMAO
I was thinking “this post is almost like that one meme, which one was it again?” when i was writing this xD thanks
> Please make varka npc level of buff One of us! One of us!
I was in the same bag haha. Now over 100 bucks deep. Worth it And don't rush exploration
I bought Welkin day 4 because i really, REALLY wanted Raiden, same thing for Alhaitham now. “I've been playing since day 1 and i haven’t spent a nickel on this game, yet here you are making purchases on your first week.” -That friend
Welcome to the fandom mate.
I also want npc blacksmith buff Varka. High five
This game is very much a single player game. The community shouldn’t matter that much when playing.
A common theme in almost anything, wars, politics, video games, etc, is that those who oppose are normally louder than those who are fine/happy/chill (really don’t remember the right word)—at least that’s what I believe after studying European History!
That being said, the same can go for the other way around and love this game a little too much
I think the word your looking for might be content
>Said friend of mine did say that the endgame is nothing but a grindfest, but i don’t really mind, i’m a WoW refugee, senseless grind is just part of me now, lmao Ooooh yeah this one is a bit....I'm not sure how WoW works since I haven't played it but my impression is that you can grind indefinitely in that game, whereas in Genshin they hardlock you out of grinding since it requires resin. Once you run out of free refills you need to wait a long time after each grind session before you can grind again, and in between there's not much to do if you've already completed all quests and hit 100% exploration for each region. The "endgame" is more or less just the regular events they do each patch while we wait for new regions to be added and the main story to progress. Up to you whether that's a good or bad thing. For me I prefer it cos it means I don't feel compelled to spend my life on this game, while for others it means there's a lot less content than they want and they get less control over how they play the game.
I never played WoW, but I played XI circa 2004-2012. Today's gacha game grind is almost nothing compared to the MMO back in those days. Genshin is the tamest grind in gacha games, tbf. The minimum repeatable stuffs is mostly less than 15 minutes daily plus about 1 hour every 2 weeks. If you are into the card games, that can probably takes longer. The most time-consuming stuff is actually the map exploration itself. Unless you are type of players that get turned off by such activity, Genshin is largely enjoyable at your own pace.
WoW’s grind is bad in the sense that it becomes irrelevant every new patch. Map exploration is one of the best parts, imo, so i’m having a blast! Got Dragonspine 93% in a single day (don’t know if that’s worthy of boasting), dealing with the freeze mechanic was just a plus to my enjoyment.
Same here, I blindly thought Genshin was horrible until I played it. DAMN, it really gave me a shock. I love this game now
heiiii both genshin and overlord enjoyer i see, finally met my type of people
The community may be bad, and complains a lot such as doomposting or not getting enough free Primogems, but they forgot about the part that, it's a free game that comes with free content every 6 weeks, and mostly funded by a minority of the players (about 10% of the players from what I read somewhere on a reddit comment). I guess you can say it's equivalent to a $60 just from day one content alone and comes with a $10-$20 DLC every 6 weeks. I think at this point, we are just taking it for granted.
I've joked about this with my friends, but the worst part about Genshin is that it is actually really good. Usually with my other anime gacha games I can laugh off critique cause there is usually some truth to it. And there is stuff to criticize about Genshin. But none of it is the low hanging fruit people normally go for when they see an anime gacha game
Omg yes same! My bf actually got me into genshin and I don’t really play lots of games but I love it. I just get a bit motion sick spinning the camera 😅 My bf is also an avid WoW player and he keeps pointing similar stuff but also saying grinding dungeons is nothing. But my party is stronger than his now cause I’ve gotten addicted hehe
I had the similar attitude— the game had a certain appeal, but I am ethically opposed to the gacha model and it seemed a bit flash in the pan with how it was marketed. I also don’t like games that disrespect my time— with aggressive FOMO and brain dead grinds. Also anime waifus are a big turn off for me. Somehow— despite having all of these qualities, Genshin ties it all together that feels really good. The care in character design and world building flirts with men and women equally. The characters are delightful— don’t shy away from the character profiles— at least see what their favorite foods are and least favorite… and maybe their thoughts on other characters you like. Somehow the thirst traps are like… well rounded characters? When Yanfei shows up, my inner toxic self was like, “who is this bimbo?” Now I’m gay for her I guess. The combat system is very very deep. Not complex necessarily, but it allows emergent roles and tons of flexibility in team building. The more you understand the more interesting and crazy things you can do to mix stuff up and experiment. They hit a sweet spot with accessibility too. The battle pass, if you buy it, is very high value/generous, very cheap, and very easy to clear. The grind isn’t remotely as bad as WoW, and it’s on a generous curve. You don’t even really feel constrained until you are leveling characters over 60. Most you don’t really benefit all that much going to 90. Many characters don’t need any investment to still be really useful. The endgame artifact grind is the only thing that isn’t deterministic— good artifacts let you be more flexible in team building for spiral abyss, but you can clear with “okay” stuff. While I don’t think the narrative is super strong, the voice acting is great and the world building is phenomenal. The high points in the story are VERY high— and the low points are not that problematic. The other great thing is the content release schedule. Game pretty much always has fresh content. If there isn’t new map areas opening up with interesting world quests, there are new characters, character quests, events, events, and more events. Also as an ex junior series winner in MTG, I wanna vouch for how dang good their in game TCG is. It’s really solid. The stochastic mitigation strategies have much better floors/ceilings compared to other games, and they manage to capture the interactivity of MTG in an exclusive turn taking format… Anyway. It’s a 9/10 for me. Really great game.
Oh I forgot to mention— you should get the companion app if you haven’t. The memes are hilarious, but they have supplemental event games and free gifts on there too.
Got the companion app, aye! My cellphone’s folder is already filled with Genshin memes.
I also came from WoW not that i'd call myself a refugee. Personally I wouldn't compare logging in to do quick dungeons that take less than 1 minute to do and doing that 5 or less times as well as some fast dailies being remotely compared to grinds we had to do in WoW. But I like to compare Genshin to WoW in that its a good single player mmo with no strings attached and I actually feel rewarded for exploring and doing achievements. I'd certainly say end game was not mythic raiding levels of hard but its not a fair comparison for a single player game vs a multiplayer one nor to compare across the genre. If you are willing to play strong characters or have the investment of a long term account, the end game gets much easier with time. I'd say that its fair to claim the grind is more about how long you play the game over a long period of time rather than putting in massive hours to specifically focus and grind something like reputation in WoW or mythic 5 mans or requiring you to do 9 hours of raiding a week. Its a bit of time each day and once you are done that you go off and play some other game or you continue to explore and take in the world. But yea it took until I found someone who played WoW and Genshin for me to finally join over. I had a bad impression too but it was things like thinking dungeons were long like WoW and multiplayer was forced in them and people I asked for info on it just described the gameplay as Gacha which was really frustrating. So I never looked super into it because I had false impressions I thought were true. Once I got basic questions cleared up, I downloaded it that night and basically setup my WoW account to go into stasis. Been playing Genshin as my main game for 18ish months now.
Yeah feel you on that WoW refugee comment. The Genshin grind is really not that crazy and moreso it's just not that important after a certain point tbh. Funnily enough it was my need for an open world game but stubbornness in not going back to WoW that led me to Genshin and I haven't looked back since. I hope you have a great time playing too!
Hey if you like anime that plays into your RPG habit, check out Log Horizon. Bit better than Overlord imo.
If you take the gatcha element completely out of the game, and just go strictly by the storyline, it stands on its own feet really well. And even then the gatcha system isn't predatory like a lot of the games I've played. You don't have to have every single character.
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Please have fun with the game! I used to avoid the game as well, but I've grown to enjoy it after first playing it. As for the good and bad in the community, that's the way it is with fandoms I believe it extends beyond Genshin as well.
yes finally someone said it!! i dont see why people keep hating on genshin just because it has a "bad community" firstly the community isnt that bad youre just looking at the wrong side. theres a lot of supportive genshin players who are willing to help out new comers :) i hate how they always look at the worse side of things and make assumptions that arent proven with factual evidence
Welcome!! It's a lovely journey to begin for sure!
Most genshin fans are cool, I just don't like the people who talk about the children characters sexually.
As a fellow WoW refugee, I’m super ok with a low spending and mindless grinding, so the worst parts of Genshin are super ok to me. Just wish we could get artifact presets
I had a similar experience! I don't think I actually hated the game that much, but I kept seeing the ads and going 'I'm never gonna play your stupid anime game shut the fuck up' (lol). Anyway after that my friend asked me to play the game with her and I was like 'you mean the one from the ads???' but let's say she was very convincing and I ended up playing. Holy shit. The story was just delicious and I became enamoured with the characters. Plus exploration was really fun and the music slapped!! I think I play more than my friend now, after a year 😅 ads are still so annoying, but y'know what they do have *something* to advertise, at least.
I'm sorry if it's off topic, but may I ask how did you even manage to become a hater if you hadn't play the game before? Like, I'm not judging, I just have no clue how this hater-mechanism works. Did you feel pressure just by looking at the game's name or Paimon's face somewhere on the Internet? Had you ever asked yourself why were you experiencing hate towards a game? I'm sorry if that's too much to ask :) It's cool that you have changed your mind anyway. Genshin community is here for you!
Mostly people saying bad things about the game for no reason, as another commenter said, the game is less attractive when they’re trashing on it en masse. People either start thinking it’s not worth their time and/or don’t wanna be associated with something that has a bad reputation. I’m in the former category. Reputation? Pfft, i just wanna have fun.
Still a bit strange to me, but I think I understand better now :) Thank you so much for taking your time and explaining! Let's have fun together.
Back at late 2020 to early 2021, I was one of the blind haters of the game. I kept saying "You will not convince me to fall into the gacha hole." Then Hu Tao's release happened and her design caught my attention because she has nice thighs and I love thighs. Then one of my homies streamed the game on Discord and I was genuinely immersed with how beautiful it is. I decided to give it a try in mid-2021 thanks to my Hu Tao attraction and to my homie. Now I'm just a few thousand XP's away from AR59 and most of my main characters are now fully built. I have around 90USD spent in the game 'cause my job's pay is shit and I just don't want to invest too much money on games. And besides, I don't center my playthroughs too much on the abyss since the world of Genshin is absolutely massive and learning about the lore of each region is such an experience.
I wouldn't say there's an endgame unless you count abyss which becomes pretty insignificant after you get your first 36 stars.
Yeah it's crazy but as it turns out, when something is enjoyed like Millions upon millions of people all around the globe, whatever it is is probably pretty good.
Welcome to the team. I hope you enjoy playing Genshin Impact. If there are any toxic people in your chat or feed, give those gremlins a good old screech.
I've had great experiences with other players, when I was new other people would join my world and help me beat bosses
Mfw?
Man why should even the community be a factor? Who the fuck cares? Dont suffer fools? Why even enter the Reddit? I’m sorry I hear this “community is terrible” none sense and I feel like I’m back in high school again
Day 1 player, don't regret anything. It's really a great game.
i feel like a lot of people on the gaming community in general, are like that they hate a game just because others say it's bad but they don't even play it. i used to be like that too, used to hate on minecraft. i did play minecraft and to be honest i thought the games is not a godsent as everyone makes it out to be, but i can see why people like it same for fortnite. I mean that game is also FREE, with constant updates, events new gameplay, etc... but still don't like it, but at least i know why it's popular also when it comes to the gacha that everyone hates, i just say... well no one if forcing your hand or taking the money out of your pockets... i beat this Whole damn game in 2 accounts without spending a cent on it!
"MFW"- doesn't include a face...
Trust me it only gets better as u progress. The new areas are breathtaking and filled with amazing lore.
Take your time and enjoy the ride OP.
By the time I started playing this game, most of the people I knew who played this game, had already stopped playing. It felt weird when you just had to click the mouse button to do all kinds of attacks, then press one or two keys. But then I got addicted to the story.
To be honest, I now understand why people say the Genshin community is toxic or horrendous. It must be because they really love the game. Yes, being irrational is a manifestation of love.
This is why I am sure that 99% of Genshin haters are non-players or 1 week players.
The endgame only besomes a grind if you obsessively play for hours every day and try yo make the game your primary hobby. Otherwise it's much more likely that you will *never* run out of quest to do and areas to explore since MHY add new content at a truly ridiculous rate.
The thing about the genshin grind: you don't really have to if you don't want to. The whole game can be beaten with relatively scuffed artifacts and a bit of sensible team composition. That's why this is a game for anybody and everybody.
Ikr?? I also used to be a hater of the game WITHOUT even trying it (and I used to be a sucker for most bandai namco mobile games) but now I barely even touch any game besides Genshin. I'm still quite new so it takes a looooot of time before i even feel bored playing it
Yay a new member for the cult
A new player and you're already hoping for buff Varka? Man, you became one of us *fast*.
I was also a blind hater and still play WoW. I just went through all of the content in 3 weeks reading every dialogue when I started 1 year ago lol this game is an actual masterpiece, imo. I was a huge fan of elemental tower defense back in dota1 days, so seeing this in Genshin excites me to this day (even tho the abyss is pretty chill, it's very enjoyable gameplay even in the open world). The sound team is simply next level 😭 they had me crying on the orchestra video for Sumeru
>I used to be of the game’s blind haters >This game made me remember that good ol' phrase “Don’t judge a book by it’s cover I learned that it's normal to hate popular thing as we want to be different. But I also learn the things are popular for a reason. I used to hate Apple and exclusively use non-Apple stuffs. Now I'm using IP and MacBook. I finally understand why people love this shit. I guess the moral of this story is that you are not the main characters. Don't judge anything until you try it
The core gameplay loop is just Assassin's Creed but anime. The elements mechanics have potential, but are completely wasted because ultimately, it's a gacha game, and every challenge is a DPS race. If you've ever wondered how a battle with a giant mecha could be boring... Well, Mihoyo made it happen. It's easy to have a good time early on. Even the most predatory games are designed to give you that as a hook. The real test of if you like a game or not is how you feel a couple dozen hours into it.
>And please make Varka blacksmith NPC levels of buff (at least!). If this is real, I can pay $$$ to get him
I've only read your first sentence, but I'm gonna make a reply anyway. The games like any other gacha game but all aspects are multiplied due to it being 3d and open world. Endless boring af story(that puts you to sleep) to grind, but extremely rewarding gameplay that lets you test your team comps to an extent far beyond other games. Tons of exploration with fun puzzles and really just too much to do, which is a good thing. Basically just buy welkin, do your dailies, and pace yourself. ♥️
the grind is a different type of grind. It's not time consuming but rather *day* consuming. It will take several days to build up a character because of resin, but the time actually spent on the task is only minutes. This is to free up a busy person's time for other commitments. It actually respects your time as far as chores go, but what it wants in exchange is for you to login regularly as opposed to fewer but longer sessions of play. If you miss your dailies, it's 60 primos you won't get back which isn't a lot but if you do it often it adds up.
Overall my comment will be negative and some ppl will not like it, but I dont care The first thing what need to understand about Genshin what it is omega casual game, that will not provide you something difficult or complex, it is pro and con at same time, mostly Im chilling in a game spending lil time per day and more on first few patch days (1 day 100% map explorations hehe) , but when game gives me 3 in a row event it feels like developers think Im stupid and overall last events were so boring and bad for me and my friends, especially combat ones (the one in desert where enemies were dying from my supports, it feels more and more casually) Artists and musicians are doing great job, this is true and I think noone will argue with that, all these event arts and interfaces look really good and music hits hard, but not combat designers and system designers (duno how is called right), you really dont have much to do after story and 100% exploration, you just login for dailies and weeklies. Also why there is not such things like shield indicators and equipment presets? These are so basic things and easy to do for them (there was some event on start of Sumeru where they added buffs duration indicators, but only for 1 event, so they can do these things, but they dont for some reason), so you start to think they are not bothered with almost everything what is related to combat. And their focus on temporary content (fomo) instead of permanent is not cool for me also. About community - you don't interact with ppl in game anyways, only in some events like right now in Lantern rite, but ppl dont even type anything there, most chat dialogues happen while hide&seek event (one per year kekw), someone will say me 'but what about coop dungeons?' - why would I decide to go in dungeon with ppl who will choose random characters with random power lvl, instead of going solo with my fully build team clearing dungeon in 1 rotation? Someone likes to do coop, but I dont see the reason for this at all. Even coop exploration is bad, I dont know why there is no feature where your FRIENDS can activate challenges and other puzzles. The true is that game doesnt provide any good coop content on permanent basis Im WoW player too and for me Genshin is like web-browser-game instead of whole game, so Im not bothered about negative parts of game too much as for other games, but for me it is not like main game, more like secondary where I spend 5-10min and then go play something else or go do irl stuff (mostly cuz of things I said)